City of Heroes...
Zanukan Guskbane
Is it fun?
Worth checking out?
How complex is the game compared to EQ?
Doubtful, but will it steal me away from EQ?
Thanks, game looks interesting enough, but after burning a lot of money on
past MMORPG's, I'd love to see what fellow EQ players think of it.
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> For those of you that have played City of Heroes.....a few questions...
couple of hours.
> Is it fun?
Yes, in a 'somewhat new experience' kind of way.
> Worth checking out?
If you have $50 to blow on it and enjoy new things, sure. I imagine you'll
get your money/entertainment value out of it in a month. After that it's
what... $15 monthly?
> How complex is the game compared to EQ?
passes I expect the true subtleties and complexities of interaction between
the character types will become more apparent.
> Doubtful, but will it steal me away from EQ?
friends type? Possibly. Loot collector? probably not. Alt fanatic?
Perhaps... it has plenty of character slots.
> Thanks, game looks interesting enough, but after burning a lot of money on
> past MMORPG's, I'd love to see what fellow EQ players think of it.
feel to it. You can't zip down the street at super speed without bouncing
into a dozen or more heroes. I mean, here you have a city with a super
powered hero to mundane ratio approaching 1:1. WTH would ANY villian set up
shop here?
But it does look fun. If you don't struggle for cash I think you can buy it
and not want to hurt yourself afterward. Unlike say, watching Star Trek:
Nemesis, where I wanted those 2 hours of my life back (fortunately, someone
loaned me the DVD, so I was only out the time I could have spent more
productively... say, going though my penny jar looking for Canadian
pennies.)
Foxeye Vaeltaja
On Tue, 11 May 2004, Zanukan Guskbane wrote:
> For those of you that have played City of Heroes.....a few questions...
*giggle* You haven't been following some of the recent threads.
> Is it fun?
Yes
> Worth checking out?
Yes
> How complex is the game compared to EQ?
Hmmm...hard to say, I'm too busy having fun to think about it in those
terms.
> Doubtful, but will it steal me away from EQ?
I'll let others answer that, since I was already long-gone from EQ when I
started CoH.
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Dark Tyger
<angryco...@NOSPAM.comcast.net> wrote:
>For those of you that have played City of Heroes.....a few questions...
>
>Is it fun?
>Worth checking out?
YES and YES!
>How complex is the game compared to EQ?
Hmm... Well, there's really no gear in the game. You gain power by
levelling and earning powers from the "sets" you've chosen. I suppose
it's not really as complicated, but that doesn't detract from the fun.
>Doubtful, but will it steal me away from EQ?
Can't really answer that for you.
>Thanks, game looks interesting enough, but after burning a lot of money on
>past MMORPG's, I'd love to see what fellow EQ players think of it.
Well, I'll be getting it as soon as I have personal income to pay for
it with... I've played EQ for over 4 years straight now, and have
started running in to the "burn out" stages, though.
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<tya...@hotplonkmail.com> wrote:
>I mean, here you have a city with a super
>powered hero to mundane ratio approaching 1:1. WTH would ANY villian set up
>shop here?
Eh, if you look around, yeah, there's lots of heroes....but, the
instancing keeps it from looking anywhere near 1:1. As for why
villains would set up shop...well, a lot of them have super powers,
too. ;)
Sean Kennedy
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<snip>
Also there is the game within a game that is the
character creation process - very fun.
With the incredible visual diversity, I find it
absolutely astonishing that the only time my
1.1GHZ, 64MB GF2 MX400, 256MB machine stutters is
for a few seconds on my way to Atlas plaza at
prime time on last Sunday.
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so far. The trick is to stay on the move for kills.
When I don't see any pops, I jump up on the building roofs and aways find
some mobs.
scott
Dark Tyger
wrote:
>I started a toon today.
Character. Character. Character. "Toon"=l33t sp33k for "character".
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> On Tue, 11 May 2004 19:54:31 -0500, "scott" <BySSpam@.nonoSpam.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>>I started a toon today.
>
>
> Character. Character. Character. "Toon"=l33t sp33k for "character".
>> IMO <<
Toon is shortened cartoon which is a reasonable term for an animated
avatar, which are the normal terms applied in FPS games where the avatar
is an in-game projection of the player.
RPGs are theoretically different in that ones 'avatar' is a 'character'
with a life of its own...with a skills, personality, and abilities not
projected directly from the player behind.
I'll grant that avatar/toon isn't really role-playing terminology... but
its not d00d speech either... just FPS terminology... which is how a
large number of people play EQ.
Dark Tyger
> >> IMO <<
>
>Toon is shortened cartoon which is a reasonable term for an animated
>avatar, which are the normal terms applied in FPS games where the avatar
>is an in-game projection of the player.
>
>RPGs are theoretically different in that ones 'avatar' is a 'character'
>with a life of its own...with a skills, personality, and abilities not
>projected directly from the player behind.
>
>I'll grant that avatar/toon isn't really role-playing terminology... but
>its not d00d speech either... just FPS terminology... which is how a
>large number of people play EQ.
So...you're saying FPS slang, which is mostly cross-bred and meshed
with l33t sp34k, doesn't qualify as d00d?
"Toon" calls to mind Bugs Bunny and Mickey Mouse, not a video game
character. Even in FPS's. The only FPSers I hear using the term are
also the d00d-speakers.
42
> On Wed, 12 May 2004 02:58:28 GMT, 42 <us...@example.net> wrote:
>
> So...you're saying FPS slang, which is mostly cross-bred and meshed
> with l33t sp34k, doesn't qualify as d00d?
Right...just genre slang... like "farming FBSSes in LGuk while PLing my
BL 2nd box alt on ldon named mobs.
Is that d00d? Or just eq slang? It isn't english. :) IMO toon is just
regular slang; its not intentionally obnoxious like d00d 5p34k
> "Toon" calls to mind Bugs Bunny and Mickey Mouse, not a video game
> character.
Viewtiful Joe ;)
> Even in FPS's. The only FPSers I hear using the term are
> also the d00d-speakers.
Now t00n on the other hand...with zeroes... is d00d by definition. :)
Horus
>
> > "Toon" calls to mind Bugs Bunny and Mickey Mouse, not a video game
> > character.
>
> Viewtiful Joe ;)
>
> > Even in FPS's. The only FPSers I hear using the term are
> > also the d00d-speakers.
>
> Now t00n on the other hand...with zeroes... is d00d by definition. :)
Toon = nails on chalkboard - for me. I absolutely hate that term. Its
just taking another step away from the roots of all these games, the
roleplaying aspect (which I know is pretty much dead anyways). We used
to create alter egos/personas/characters that we brought to life - not
just a cardboard "toon".
Horus
Ill ante up my 2 cents.
> Is it fun?
Yes its fun. Alot of fun.
> Worth checking out?
Yes. Its extremely polished. The launch was very smooth - and I
personally havent run into many bugs, just a few minor ones - nothing
big.
> How complex is the game compared to EQ?
> Doubtful, but will it steal me away from EQ?
At my point (8th level Tanker) not nearly as complex which is good and
bad.
Good because its easy to jump into quickly and start bashing heads.
The learning curve is extremely simple. You start off rather powerful
(as opposed to having your butt handed to you by newbie petting zoo
fodder in eq when you are level 1)
Bad because I can see the possibility of the game getting old quickly.
The missions are somewhat generic with little variety. You'll see the
same type of instanced zones over and over and many of the zones are
very similar in look and feel (again - at least up to the point Ive
played). Theres no loot - again which is bad and good. There wont be
squabbles over who gets what - and no camping really. There is some
kill stealing, although usually its no big deal because even when
theres alot of heroes around, you can just go a block up and theres
plenty more bad guys to smack. Just sometimes if you are doing a kill
X mission, it can get frustrating when you engage a group of what you
are seeking and some blaster comes along and nukes the entire group.
But again - it really hasnt been a big issue.
Will it take you away from EQ? For a short time maybe, but I question
the long term holding power of the game. It all depends on what the
devs do. If they continue adding content to the game, then it may have
some longer term value.
You say you've burned alot of money on MMORG's lately, and I will say
this: No other MMORG (besides EQ) has held me like this and Ive tried
many of them. I didnt care for SWG, Horizons, Earth & beyond and
several others. COH has my attention now.
Faned
> On Wed, 12 May 2004 02:58:28 GMT, 42 <us...@example.net> wrote:
>
> > >> IMO <<
> >
> >Toon is shortened cartoon which is a reasonable term for an animated
> >avatar, which are the normal terms applied in FPS games where the avatar
> >is an in-game projection of the player.
> >
> >RPGs are theoretically different in that ones 'avatar' is a 'character'
> >with a life of its own...with a skills, personality, and abilities not
> >projected directly from the player behind.
> >
> >I'll grant that avatar/toon isn't really role-playing terminology... but
> >its not d00d speech either... just FPS terminology... which is how a
> >large number of people play EQ.
>
> So...you're saying FPS slang, which is mostly cross-bred and meshed
> with l33t sp34k, doesn't qualify as d00d?
>
> "Toon" calls to mind Bugs Bunny and Mickey Mouse, not a video game
> character. Even in FPS's. The only FPSers I hear using the term are
> also the d00d-speakers.
"Toon" calls to mind "cartoon", like the type you might find in a "comic
book". Particularly apt for this particular game. =P
Dark Tyger
>"Toon" calls to mind "cartoon", like the type you might find in a "comic
>book". Particularly apt for this particular game. =P
Except comic book characters aren't generally referred to as "toons".
When it comes to animated/drawn characters, "toon" is usually reserved
for the...comical ones. I've never heard anyone call Batman a "toon".
:p
Faned
> For those of you that have played City of Heroes.....a few questions...
Bought it yesterday to check out the hype.
> Is it fun?
Definitely fun. Good concept for a game. What guy didn't at some point in
his life tie a towel around his neck and make like superman?
> Worth checking out?
Depends on what you want out of it. If you've got $50 spare lying around,
you won't kick yourself for getting it and trying it out.
> How complex is the game compared to EQ?
Considerably less complex. Not that it's shallow, just not very complex
compared to EQ.
> Doubtful, but will it steal me away from EQ?
Again, depends. If you like LDoN, it will have quite a draw. If you like
raiding, probably not. Keeping you away is another factor. The advancement
is quite limited, no "loot" really, and to me the "staying power" is
questionable. If you like playing lots of lower level characters in EQ,
this may be the perfect game for you.
> Thanks, game looks interesting enough, but after burning a lot of money on
> past MMORPG's, I'd love to see what fellow EQ players think of it.
I've tried just about all of them. AO, AC, AC2, SWG, Eve, Wish, Lineage,
DAoC, etc. CoH is a *very* well done game. Whether the concept of the game
is one you will like is hard to say, but the game itself is quite good.
Faned
> On Wed, 12 May 2004 09:21:15 -0500, Faned <fa...@wyld.qx.net> wrote:
>
> >"Toon" calls to mind "cartoon", like the type you might find in a "comic
> >book". Particularly apt for this particular game. =P
>
> Except comic book characters aren't generally referred to as "toons".
> When it comes to animated/drawn characters, "toon" is usually reserved
> for the...comical ones. I've never heard anyone call Batman a "toon".
> :p
I've watched Batman (and various other super heroes) on the "Cartoon"
Network. =P
Graeme Faelban
news:slrnca4fdn...@wyld.qx.net:
Yep, always thought of them as cartoons myself, and thus, the characters
in them, toons. There are some people who get seriously bent out of
shape whent that term is used for some odd reason.
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Rumbledor
> Dark Tyger wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 11 May 2004 19:54:31 -0500, "scott" <BySSpam@.nonoSpam.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>I started a toon today.
>>
>>
>> Character. Character. Character. "Toon"=l33t sp33k for "character".
>
> >> IMO <<
>
> Toon is shortened cartoon which is a reasonable term for an animated
> avatar, which are the normal terms applied in FPS games where the avatar
> is an in-game projection of the player.
>
Except for the fact that *no one* ever refers to their character as a
"cartoon". Therefore, "toon" isn't just a shortening of normal terminology.
I consider it d00d-speak, myself.
I have the same problem with the terms "wizzy", "shammy", "pally" and the
like. Much like "toon", those examples don't serve any purpose aside from
being an attempt at sounding more hip. At least "pally" knocks a syllable
off of the pronunciation. The others are just unnecessary mutations.
IMO, of course.
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"Am I jumpin' from tree to tree all nimbly-bimbly?!"
Dark Tyger
True. And, yes, it's a cartoon. However, "toon" is a "cutsey" version
of the word and, like I said, usually reserved for the silly cartoon
characters. Serious animated characters are rarely referred to as
"toons".
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Nekofrog
<dark...@somewhere.net> wrote:
>On Wed, 12 May 2004 10:07:35 -0500, Faned <fa...@wyld.qx.net> wrote:
>
>><dark...@somewhere.net> wrote:
>>> On Wed, 12 May 2004 09:21:15 -0500, Faned <fa...@wyld.qx.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> >"Toon" calls to mind "cartoon", like the type you might find in a "comic
>>> >book". Particularly apt for this particular game. =P
>>>
>>> Except comic book characters aren't generally referred to as "toons".
>>> When it comes to animated/drawn characters, "toon" is usually reserved
>>> for the...comical ones. I've never heard anyone call Batman a "toon".
>>> :p
>>
>>I've watched Batman (and various other super heroes) on the "Cartoon"
>>Network. =P
>
>True. And, yes, it's a cartoon. However, "toon" is a "cutsey" version
>of the word and, like I said, usually reserved for the silly cartoon
>characters. Serious animated characters are rarely referred to as
>"toons".
Anime = toons
Tyas_MT
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> On Wed, 12 May 2004 08:40:59 -0700, Dark Tyger
> <dark...@somewhere.net> wrote:
>
> >On Wed, 12 May 2004 10:07:35 -0500, Faned <fa...@wyld.qx.net> wrote:
> >
> >><dark...@somewhere.net> wrote:
>
I have trouble referring to Legend of Overfiend or La Blue Girl as a
'toon'...
but whatever.
Dark Tyger
wrote:
>>True. And, yes, it's a cartoon. However, "toon" is a "cutsey" version
>>of the word and, like I said, usually reserved for the silly cartoon
>>characters. Serious animated characters are rarely referred to as
>>"toons".
>
>Anime = toons
Tell any of the more avid anime fans that and prepare to have your ass
lynched by nerds. ^_^
Shane
>>> IMO <<
>
>Toon is shortened cartoon which is a reasonable term for an animated
>avatar, which are the normal terms applied in FPS games where the avatar
>is an in-game projection of the player.
Acually when I hear that word "toon" used in MMOG; I don't think of it
as kewl slang, I think of this instead....
http://play.toontown.com/webHome.php?r=446282&source=Direct&r=68078
Nekofrog
<dark...@somewhere.net> wrote:
>On Wed, 12 May 2004 15:51:54 GMT, Nekofrog <vor...@suckmyspam.com>
>wrote:
>
>>>True. And, yes, it's a cartoon. However, "toon" is a "cutsey" version
>>>of the word and, like I said, usually reserved for the silly cartoon
>>>characters. Serious animated characters are rarely referred to as
>>>"toons".
>>
>>Anime = toons
>
>Tell any of the more avid anime fans that and prepare to have your ass
>lynched by nerds. ^_^
I can fend myself off from rabid fanboys well enough, I think I could
handle them :)
Nekofrog
Animted = cartoon = toon.
Just because it's adult doesn't mean it's not a toon. An adult movie
is still a movie.
Dark Tyger
wrote:
>Animted = cartoon = toon.
>
>Just because it's adult doesn't mean it's not a toon. An adult movie
>is still a movie.
Once again, the shortened version of "Cartoon" that is "toon" is
normally reserved for the comical toons. Just like the shortened
version of "Jonathan" that is "Johnny" is normally reserved for
children. (Normally, there are exceptions).
Faned
> On Wed, 12 May 2004 16:59:31 GMT, Nekofrog <vor...@suckmyspam.com>
> wrote:
>
> >Animted = cartoon = toon.
> >
> >Just because it's adult doesn't mean it's not a toon. An adult movie
> >is still a movie.
>
> Once again, the shortened version of "Cartoon" that is "toon" is
> normally reserved for the comical toons. Just like the shortened
> version of "Jonathan" that is "Johnny" is normally reserved for
> children. (Normally, there are exceptions).
So "John" would only apply to babies?
I just like to point out egregiously flawed analogies. =)
ZiggyXIV
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So far (I've been playing since mid-beta), it's an absolute blast.
> Worth checking out?
Definitely (see above)
> How complex is the game compared to EQ?
So far, it's not as complex... like any good game, it's easy to understand,
difficult to master. There is no "gear" or loot, but there are a plethora
of powers and strategies to use them. Strategies are endless, and any good
group must adapt based on the mobs they're fighting, and what kind of group
they have.
> Doubtful, but will it steal me away from EQ?
It's entirely possible... CoH came along at at a time when I felt EQ was
becoming too much like work and not enough like a game. I still have my EQ
account, but haven't logged on in a month, and I can't say I feel like I'm
missing anything. And for what it's worth, 95% of my supergroup (guild) is
made up of former EQers who were "stolen away". It is not EQ and if you
expect it to be, you will be sorely dissapointed. But if you look at it
with fresh eyes, it's a solid game with a lot of potential.
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> On Wed, 12 May 2004 16:59:31 GMT, Nekofrog <vor...@suckmyspam.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>>Animted = cartoon = toon.
>>
>>Just because it's adult doesn't mean it's not a toon. An adult movie
>>is still a movie.
>
>
> Once again, the shortened version of "Cartoon" that is "toon" is
> normally reserved for the comical toons. Just like the shortened
> version of "Jonathan" that is "Johnny" is normally reserved for
> children. (Normally, there are exceptions).
>
Normally, yes. But EQ and the internet is the haven for abbreviations.
If I bumped into a Johathan in the game I'd probably refer to him as J
if it was unambiguous, rather than spell out his name 40 times in group
chat.
Expecting people to spell out character or avatar or cartoon when toon
is available is not going to happen. I suppose they could go with
char... but char is rp slang, and toon is fps slang...it depends where
you come from.
42
>>Toon is shortened cartoon which is a reasonable term for an animated
>>avatar, which are the normal terms applied in FPS games where the avatar
>>is an in-game projection of the player.
>
> Except for the fact that *no one* ever refers to their character as a
> "cartoon".
Nobody ever refers to their car as a horseless carriage either. The
contracted form has become a word of its own.
> Therefore, "toon" isn't just a shortening of normal terminology.
> I consider it d00d-speak, myself.
'toon' has been around in video games since people modded doom graphics.
(This predated thte use of 3d so they weren't called models) ... they
were sprites, and pretty much immediately therafter toons. That they
were never called 'cartoons' in full is simply because the abbreviation
for cartoon: toon already existed at the time ... IMO.
> I have the same problem with the terms "wizzy", "shammy", "pally" and the
> like. Much like "toon", those examples don't serve any purpose aside from
> being an attempt at sounding more hip.
I doubt anyone says wizzy to be hip. :)
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I agree that people who play 'toons' aren't roleplayers... but they
aren't necessarily trying to be obnoxious d00ds with the term.
Rumbledor
> Rumbledor wrote:
>
>
>>>Toon is shortened cartoon which is a reasonable term for an animated
>>>avatar, which are the normal terms applied in FPS games where the
>>>avatar is an in-game projection of the player.
>>
>> Except for the fact that *no one* ever refers to their character as a
>> "cartoon".
>
> Nobody ever refers to their car as a horseless carriage either. The
> contracted form has become a word of its own.
You sure that's necessarily where the term "car" came from?
Etymonline.com says:
car - 1301, "wheeled vehicle," from Norm.-Fr. carre, from L. carrum,
carrus (pl. carra), orig. "two-wheeled Celtic war chariot," from Gaul.
karros, from PIE *krsos, from base *kers- "to run." Extension to
"automobile" is 1896. Car-sick first recorded 1908, on model of sea sick.
U.S. carport is from 1939. Car bomb first 1972, in reference to Northern
Ireland. Car pool is 1942 (n.), 1962 (v.).
Merriam-Webster's Online Dictionary states:
Etymology: Middle English carre, from Anglo-French, from Latin carra,
plural of carrum, alteration of carrus, of Celtic origin; akin to Old
Irish & Middle Welsh carr vehicle; akin to Latin currere to run
Dictionary.Reference.com states its origin as:
Middle English carre, cart, from Old North French, from Latin carra, pl.
of carrus, carrum, a Gallic type of wagon. See kers- in Indo-European
Roots.
I'll concede that the word "carriage" was mentioned once along with
"charriot" and "cart" in the last alternate definition as well as in a
couple other relationships drawn to other referenced phrases.
>> Therefore, "toon" isn't just a shortening of normal terminology.
>> I consider it d00d-speak, myself.
>
> 'toon' has been around in video games since people modded doom
> graphics. (This predated thte use of 3d so they weren't called models)
> ... they were sprites, and pretty much immediately therafter toons.
> That they were never called 'cartoons' in full is simply because the
> abbreviation for cartoon: toon already existed at the time ... IMO.
Sure, the word has, in reference to a chartoon character, anyway. I'm a
bit long in the tooth compared to the majority of computer gamers, and
I've never known it to be used commonly relative to video games.
>> I have the same problem with the terms "wizzy", "shammy", "pally" and
>> the like. Much like "toon", those examples don't serve any purpose
>> aside from being an attempt at sounding more hip.
>
> I doubt anyone says wizzy to be hip. :)
I'd be interested to hear the real reason(s). I can't explain it
otherwise. A mere need to be "different", maybe? That's pretty close to
"hip" more often than not.
Rumbledor
That's where it falls down. I could understand "char" as being short for
character, which is what we mean. To imply "cartoon" by calling it a
"toon", is quite unusual in this case. I'd feel pretty safe betting that
the word "cartoon" appears nowhere in any of the EQ game manuals in
reference to a player's in-game avatar.
Honestly, I've played my share of both RP and FPS, and I've only known
the term "toon" to be used in this sense in recent times in EQ and Toon
Town and never in FPS. I still consider it typically to be an attempt at
being trendy. /shrug
Rumbledor
4ax.com:
As I mentioned elsewhere, there and EQ are the only places I've seen the
term used to refer to a video game avatar.
Dark Tyger
*sigh* But you get the point...
Dark Tyger
>Expecting people to spell out character or avatar or cartoon when toon
>is available is not going to happen. I suppose they could go with
>char... but char is rp slang, and toon is fps slang...it depends where
>you come from.
"Char" isn't slang at all. It's a shortening of exactly what it is: A
character.
I suppose next you're going to start justifying "u", "r", "plz",
"thx", "ne1" and such?
Dark Tyger
>Nobody ever refers to their car as a horseless carriage either.
....anymore. They did once upon a time.
Dark Tyger
>> Therefore, "toon" isn't just a shortening of normal terminology.
>> I consider it d00d-speak, myself.
>
>'toon' has been around in video games since people modded doom graphics.
>(This predated thte use of 3d so they weren't called models) ... they
>were sprites, and pretty much immediately therafter toons. That they
>were never called 'cartoons' in full is simply because the abbreviation
>for cartoon: toon already existed at the time ... IMO.
...err, to continue the last reply....
Funny, I've been in computer gaming since before Doom. Followed
newsgroups, BBS's, and such pretty closely. I NEVER saw the term
"toon" in reference to anything gaming related before it started
creeping up in MMORPG communities.
Oh, damn, there are always those pesky people who have experience...
Rumbledor
I'll give you that, I suppose, but they do seem to be playing the game(s)
in a different spirit than that which was intended. I agree with Horus. It
seems to be just one more baby step away from what makes these games great.
Dark Tyger
Anyone else notice there was a reference tag on Shane's link... :/
Danny
"Dark Tyger" <dark...@somewhere.net> wrote in message
news:20d4a0tmqg9ca3cb8...@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 12 May 2004 09:21:15 -0500, Faned <fa...@wyld.qx.net> wrote:
>
> >"Toon" calls to mind "cartoon", like the type you might find in a "comic
> >book". Particularly apt for this particular game. =P
>
> Except comic book characters aren't generally referred to as "toons".
> When it comes to animated/drawn characters, "toon" is usually reserved
> for the...comical ones. I've never heard anyone call Batman a "toon".
> :p
>
> Dark Tyger
>
Batman the cartoon, hello . . .
Dark Tyger
>"Dark Tyger" <dark...@somewhere.net> wrote in message
>news:20d4a0tmqg9ca3cb8...@4ax.com...
>> On Wed, 12 May 2004 09:21:15 -0500, Faned <fa...@wyld.qx.net> wrote:
>>
>> >"Toon" calls to mind "cartoon", like the type you might find in a "comic
>> >book". Particularly apt for this particular game. =P
>>
>> Except comic book characters aren't generally referred to as "toons".
>> When it comes to animated/drawn characters, "toon" is usually reserved
>> for the...comical ones. I've never heard anyone call Batman a "toon".
>> :p
>>
>> --
>> Dark Tyger
>>
>
>Batman the cartoon, hello . . .
...so they spun off an animated series from the comic book. I'm
referring to his "main incarnation", so to speak. Even the later
"cartoons", it was "Batman the ANIMATED SERIES" or just "Batman".
--
Dark Tyger
Rumbledor
> On Wed, 12 May 2004 20:33:34 GMT, Rumbledor
> <Rumb...@HotRemoveThisPartMail.com> wrote:
>
>>Shane <no...@nowhere.com> wrote in
>>news:g8l4a0t8lnb1sh0b6uh8e7ub3rvj28gifv@ 4ax.com:
>>
>>> On Wed, 12 May 2004 02:58:28 GMT, 42 <us...@example.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>> IMO <<
>>>>
>>>>Toon is shortened cartoon which is a reasonable term for an animated
>>>>avatar, which are the normal terms applied in FPS games where the
>>>>avatar is an in-game projection of the player.
>>>
>>> Acually when I hear that word "toon" used in MMOG; I don't think of
>>> it as kewl slang, I think of this instead....
>>>
>>> http://play.toontown.com/webHome.php?r=446282&source=Direct&r=68078
>>>
>>
>>As I mentioned elsewhere, there and EQ are the only places I've seen
>>the term used to refer to a video game avatar.
>
> Anyone else notice there was a reference tag on Shane's link... :/
>
Would you mind clue'ing in the clueless, please? What's that and what's its
significance?
Danny
> On Wed, 12 May 2004 21:22:14 GMT, "Danny" <NoS...@Here.net> wrote:
>
> >"Dark Tyger" <dark...@somewhere.net> wrote in message
> >news:20d4a0tmqg9ca3cb8...@4ax.com...
> >> On Wed, 12 May 2004 09:21:15 -0500, Faned <fa...@wyld.qx.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> >"Toon" calls to mind "cartoon", like the type you might find in a
"comic
> >> >book". Particularly apt for this particular game. =P
> >>
> >> Except comic book characters aren't generally referred to as "toons".
> >> When it comes to animated/drawn characters, "toon" is usually reserved
> >> for the...comical ones. I've never heard anyone call Batman a "toon".
> >> :p
> >>
> >> --
> >> Dark Tyger
> >>
> >
> >Batman the cartoon, hello . . .
>
> ...so they spun off an animated series from the comic book. I'm
> referring to his "main incarnation", so to speak. Even the later
> "cartoons", it was "Batman the ANIMATED SERIES" or just "Batman".
>
> --
> Dark Tyger
>
lol, its just a word man, sorry it offends you so much but . . . what can ya
do? ;p
Dark Tyger
<Rumb...@HotRemoveThisPartMail.com> wrote:
>>>> http://play.toontown.com/webHome.php?r=446282&source=Direct&r=68078
>>>>
>>>
>>>As I mentioned elsewhere, there and EQ are the only places I've seen
>>>the term used to refer to a video game avatar.
>>
>> Anyone else notice there was a reference tag on Shane's link... :/
>>
>
>Would you mind clue'ing in the clueless, please? What's that and what's its
>significance?
Okay, I'm not entirely sure, but the "?r=446282&source=Direct&r=68078"
appears to be a reference tag. What a reference tag is a unique code
for a member that they can tag onto the URL so that if people use the
URL they post to visit the site, then sign up for the service or
whatnot, that member gets credit in either in-game rewards or toward
membership fees. You see them a lot in spam about those silly
web-based games that are mainly just click-generators to earn the guy
running the "game" revenue from banner/pop-up ads.
It may not have been a reference tag, though. I may have jumped the
gun...
Dark Tyger
>> >Batman the cartoon, hello . . .
>>
>> ...so they spun off an animated series from the comic book. I'm
>> referring to his "main incarnation", so to speak. Even the later
>> "cartoons", it was "Batman the ANIMATED SERIES" or just "Batman".
>>
>> --
>> Dark Tyger
>>
>
>lol, its just a word man, sorry it offends you so much but . . . what can ya
>do? ;p
Not offended. Annoyed. What can I do? Tell people they sound like
idiots using it in reference to MMORPG characters.
--
Dark Tyger
Danny
> On Wed, 12 May 2004 21:46:38 GMT, "Danny" <NoS...@Here.net> wrote:
>
> >> >Batman the cartoon, hello . . .
> >>
> >> ...so they spun off an animated series from the comic book. I'm
> >> referring to his "main incarnation", so to speak. Even the later
> >> "cartoons", it was "Batman the ANIMATED SERIES" or just "Batman".
> >>
> >> --
> >> Dark Tyger
> >>
> >
> >lol, its just a word man, sorry it offends you so much but . . . what can
ya
> >do? ;p
>
> Not offended. Annoyed. What can I do? Tell people they sound like
> idiots using it in reference to MMORPG characters.
>
> --
> Dark Tyger
>
A time proven method to changing peoples mind's and habits on the internet.
lol
Dark Tyger
>> Not offended. Annoyed. What can I do? Tell people they sound like
>> idiots using it in reference to MMORPG characters.
>>
>> --
>> Dark Tyger
>>
>
>A time proven method to changing peoples mind's and habits on the internet.
>lol
Not really, but it does help relieve the annoyance to mock them and
watch them wail.
--
Dark Tyger
Jekke, Just Jekke
<Rumb...@HotRemoveThisPartMail.com> wrote:
>Honestly, I've played my share of both RP and FPS, and I've only known
>the term "toon" to be used in this sense in recent times in EQ and Toon
>Town and never in FPS. I still consider it typically to be an attempt at
>being trendy. /shrug
I've been hearing it in game for at least three years. If people were
saying it to be trendy, wouldn't they also be saying, "All your base
are belong to us?"
--
--Jekke
=====================
Playing on Torvonilous
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http://www.magelo.com/eq_view_profile.html?num=850034
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Remington Stone
}> >"Toon" calls to mind "cartoon", like the type you might find in a "comic
}> >book". Particularly apt for this particular game. =P
}> Except comic book characters aren't generally referred to as "toons".
}> When it comes to animated/drawn characters, "toon" is usually reserved
}> for the...comical ones. I've never heard anyone call Batman a "toon".
Exactly. I've heard batman called a cartoon, sure. But never a toon.
[65 Coercer] Zinphandel Chianti <Prism> (Gnome) Ayonae Ro
42
> On Wed, 12 May 2004 18:52:40 GMT, 42 <us...@example.net> wrote:
>
>
>>Expecting people to spell out character or avatar or cartoon when toon
>>is available is not going to happen. I suppose they could go with
>>char... but char is rp slang, and toon is fps slang...it depends where
>>you come from.
>
>
> "Char" isn't slang at all. It's a shortening of exactly what it is: A
> character.
char certainly isn't a word (unless you are referring to burning
something) nor is it a recognized abbreviation. That makes its use as
slang. Or least as slang as toon is.
But if one doesn't "play his character" in the rp sense, and its just an
the in game sprite/model/toon that one has selected to represent
"oneself" then it isn't a "character" in any meaninful sense at all.
That is how EQ is played by many... possibly the majority.
> I suppose next you're going to start justifying "u", "r", "plz",
> "thx", "ne1" and such?
I'm not offended in the least by pls (or even plz) and thx (or ty) or
(pst - please send tell).
Come on, they're saying please and thank you for crying out loud. These
are strictly unneccessary niceties in communication as it is, its a
releif they're there at all in the hyper abbreviated eq-chat.
Danny
"Remington Stone" <ez06...@veni.ucdavis.edu> wrote in message
news:c7u91c$g94$1...@woodrow.ucdavis.edu...
Toon is just short for cartoon, if you have a problem with that you may as
well quit saying EQ and GM which are just short for other words.
Charles Whitney
"Nekofrog" <vor...@suckmyspam.com> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 12 May 2004 09:32:32 -0700, Dark Tyger
> <dark...@somewhere.net> wrote:
>
> >On Wed, 12 May 2004 15:51:54 GMT, Nekofrog <vor...@suckmyspam.com>
> >wrote:
> >
> >>>True. And, yes, it's a cartoon. However, "toon" is a "cutsey" version
> >>>of the word and, like I said, usually reserved for the silly cartoon
> >>>characters. Serious animated characters are rarely referred to as
> >>>"toons".
> >>
> >>Anime = toons
> >
> >Tell any of the more avid anime fans that and prepare to have your ass
> >lynched by nerds. ^_^
>
> I can fend myself off from rabid fanboys well enough, I think I could
> handle them :)
I don't think you have to worry about it. They're too busy massaging their
erections to violent child porn comics and cartoons to bother with your
minor usenet posting.
C
42
That's the trouble with etymology especially of ubiquitous words like
car. :) And etymological summaries tend to take the shortest path, which
is not neccesarily the strictly correct one for a given usage of a word.
car, carriage, carry, cart ... all come from the same place. Did car as
applied to what evolved into Model-Ts come about as a contraction of
carriage or did it jump over from pre-existing usage in railway car and
mining car... or did it jump from another language that did the
contraction first.
I don't think anyone can *really* say for sure, with 'car' sitting there
in english use already applied to other wheeled things, 'carriage'
sitting there already applied to the early cars, and god-knows what
car-variant was being used in france or spain or italy at the time. When
it finally started getting applied to what we know as cars today its
virtually impossible to state with any authority where exactly it came from.
Considering the etymology of cartoon is french/italian carton/cartone.
Which means cardboard. Its safe to say that etymologies generally leave
something to be desired.
I'd wager cartoon is probably contracted from 'cartone divertente' or
something along those lines.
>
>>>Therefore, "toon" isn't just a shortening of normal terminology.
>>>I consider it d00d-speak, myself.
>>
>>'toon' has been around in video games since people modded doom
>>graphics. (This predated thte use of 3d so they weren't called models)
>>... they were sprites, and pretty much immediately therafter toons.
>>That they were never called 'cartoons' in full is simply because the
>>abbreviation for cartoon: toon already existed at the time ... IMO.
>
>
> Sure, the word has, in reference to a chartoon character, anyway. I'm a
> bit long in the tooth compared to the majority of computer gamers, and
> I've never known it to be used commonly relative to video games.
I'll concede I don't recall ever hearing the term toon myself when
playing doom. However, by diablo 1 at least it was common enough. (But
I'm going to also mention that when I played doom it was still almost
exclusively single player, and/or with close friends so the internet
hadn't really impacted gaming yet... and LANs were still new (we had
coax at the time... it was a *bitch* to set up and get working in DOS...
you had to either buy or steal the network protocol... everything was
IPX...iirc.
As an aside, while I was looking about on the subject I bumped into a
p&p RPG called 'Toon... I wonder if that is the source. It appears to
fit...both with claims that toons appeared in rpg video games... (even
diablo is arguablly rpg...) and other game mechanic element
similiarities... animated characters... never really die... etc... and
it predates any other usages by years.
Be pretty ironic if the word toon actually originated from the
roleplayers :)
>>>I have the same problem with the terms "wizzy", "shammy", "pally" and
>>>the like. Much like "toon", those examples don't serve any purpose
>>>aside from being an attempt at sounding more hip.
>>
>>I doubt anyone says wizzy to be hip. :)
>
>
> I'd be interested to hear the real reason(s). I can't explain it
> otherwise. A mere need to be "different", maybe? That's pretty close to
> "hip" more often than not.
pally as alt sp. for pali?... even I've used "pali"?
Dark Tyger
<je...@REMOVEALLinsidejoke.tvCAPS> wrote:
>I've been hearing it in game for at least three years. If people were
>saying it to be trendy, wouldn't they also be saying, "All your base
>are belong to us?"
They aren't? oO
Dark Tyger
>Toon is just short for cartoon, if you have a problem with that you may as
>well quit saying EQ and GM which are just short for other words.
No, "toon" tends to be most commonly used for a character in a
specific type of cartoon. That type being the slapstick Warner
Brothers style cartoons.
--
Dark Tyger
42
>
>
> As I mentioned elsewhere, there and EQ are the only places I've seen the
> term used to refer to a video game avatar.
>
Google reveals several usenet posts dating to 99/00 referring to diablo
& AC1. Going back further than that gets much harder... filtering around
'tiny toon' and 'alt.toon.p0rn...'... gets more and more of a chore...
Dark Tyger
>> "Char" isn't slang at all. It's a shortening of exactly what it is: A
>> character.
>
>char certainly isn't a word (unless you are referring to burning
>something) nor is it a recognized abbreviation.
It isn't? Says who? You?
> That makes its use as
>slang. Or least as slang as toon is.
>
>But if one doesn't "play his character" in the rp sense, and its just an
>the in game sprite/model/toon that one has selected to represent
>"oneself" then it isn't a "character" in any meaninful sense at all.
>
>That is how EQ is played by many... possibly the majority.
The majority of people I've encountered in the game RP to some degree,
even if that degree is as minor as a slight behavioral change to
reflect the character they're playing. The rarity is the hardcore
roleplayer, but they're there as well.
>> I suppose next you're going to start justifying "u", "r", "plz",
>> "thx", "ne1" and such?
>
>I'm not offended in the least by pls (or even plz) and thx (or ty) or
>(pst - please send tell).
>
>Come on, they're saying please and thank you for crying out loud. These
>are strictly unneccessary niceties in communication as it is, its a
>releif they're there at all in the hyper abbreviated eq-chat.
No, they're saying plz and thx. They're too lazy to type out an extra
3 letters, I'd rather have nothing said at all. I'm not OFFENDED, I'm
annoyed by it.
Remington Stone
}> }"Dark Tyger" <dark...@somewhere.net> wrote in message
}> }> On Wed, 12 May 2004 09:21:15 -0500, Faned <fa...@wyld.qx.net> wrote:
}> }> >"Toon" calls to mind "cartoon", like the type you might find in a
}> }> >"comic book". Particularly apt for this particular game. =P
}> }> Except comic book characters aren't generally referred to as "toons".
}> }> When it comes to animated/drawn characters, "toon" is usually reserved
}> }> for the...comical ones. I've never heard anyone call Batman a "toon".
}> }Batman the cartoon, hello . . .
}> Exactly. I've heard batman called a cartoon, sure. But never a toon.
}well quit saying EQ and GM which are just short for other words.
What? Short for cartoon, you say? Why so it is! I never
realized!</sarcasm>
The point is, I have yet to hear anyone refer to "Batman: The Animated
Series" as a -toon-. Yes, I have heard it referred to as a -cartoon-.
Despite one being a shortened form of the other word, the usage is
different. This would support DT's argument that "comic book characters
aren't generally referred to as "toons"." And you yourself called Batman
TAS "Batman the cartoon", didn't you? Implying even -you- use the words
differently.
42
> On Wed, 12 May 2004 22:44:49 GMT, 42 <us...@example.net> wrote:
>
>
>>>"Char" isn't slang at all. It's a shortening of exactly what it is: A
>>>character.
>>
>>char certainly isn't a word (unless you are referring to burning
>>something) nor is it a recognized abbreviation.
>
>
> It isn't? Says who? You?
>
I was relying on the fact that it doesn't appear in a dictionary...
m-wonline, dictionary.com, etc...defined as meaning 'character'.
Who says it is a word? You?
> No, they're saying plz and thx. They're too lazy to type out an extra
> 3 letters, I'd rather have nothing said at all. I'm not OFFENDED, I'm
> annoyed by it.
3 letters a word adds up to a lot of extra carpal tunnel over a month...
sorry it annoys you. As long as they aren't *mis*spelling full words to
get extra x's or z's into them, tossing the big phrases 'all your base
are belong to us' or 'u r fag!', or using numbers instead of letters I'm
not fazed by it.
I can handle, "Pls tell me where u r?"
Michael Johnson
wrote:
>On Wed, 12 May 2004 11:17:53 -0500, "Tyas_MT"
><tya...@hotplonkmail.com> wrote:
>
>>"Nekofrog" <vor...@suckmyspam.com> wrote in message
>>news:a1i4a0potkgrs3la2...@4ax.com...
>>> On Wed, 12 May 2004 08:40:59 -0700, Dark Tyger
>>> <dark...@somewhere.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> >On Wed, 12 May 2004 10:07:35 -0500, Faned <fa...@wyld.qx.net> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >><dark...@somewhere.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Anime = toons
>>
>>I have trouble referring to Legend of Overfiend or La Blue Girl as a
>>'toon'...
>>
>>but whatever.
>>
>>
>
>
>Animted = cartoon = toon.
The issue i have is that while you make them =.. they are referring to
different things... a cartoon is a show... yet you refer to a
character as a toon. So how does toon = cartoon when they are meant to
refer to completely different things.. yet mean the same?
>Just because it's adult doesn't mean it's not a toon.
This i can go with on the = part since the 'toon' in question you are
refering to is the show. But how do you refer to a character inside
the show also as a 'toon' and have it make any other sense than a
wink, wink, nudge, nudge d00d type way. Sure.. its cool.. but it
doesn't really fit
-MJ
Justin H.
>
> I was relying on the fact that it doesn't appear in a dictionary...
> m-wonline, dictionary.com, etc...defined as meaning 'character'.
Although incredibly convenient, online dictionaries are also limited.
That's why I have the Webster's Encyclopedic Unabridged Dictionary of
the English Language - and yes, the book is just as heavy as the title.
The abbreviation char. is defined as either "character" or "charter"
depending on context.
--Inyidd
42
I stand corrected.
Can you look 'toon' up in there too? :)
Dark Tyger
>>>char certainly isn't a word (unless you are referring to burning
>>>something) nor is it a recognized abbreviation.
>>
>>
>> It isn't? Says who? You?
>>
>
>I was relying on the fact that it doesn't appear in a dictionary...
>m-wonline, dictionary.com, etc...defined as meaning 'character'.
>
>Who says it is a word? You?
No, I say it's an abbreviation. "Recognized" is pretty subjective.
Going by your qualifications, SOW, EQ, and such aren't recognized
abbreviations, either.
>> No, they're saying plz and thx. They're too lazy to type out an extra
>> 3 letters, I'd rather have nothing said at all. I'm not OFFENDED, I'm
>> annoyed by it.
>
>3 letters a word adds up to a lot of extra carpal tunnel over a month...
Trivial amount, actually.
>sorry it annoys you. As long as they aren't *mis*spelling full words to
>get extra x's or z's into them, tossing the big phrases 'all your base
>are belong to us' or 'u r fag!', or using numbers instead of letters I'm
>not fazed by it.
>
>I can handle, "Pls tell me where u r?"
And I see it as a combination of laziness and ignorance, as do most
people. Just that not many people are vocal about their annoyance over
Dark Tyger
wrote:
>>Animted = cartoon = toon.
>
>The issue i have is that while you make them =.. they are referring to
>different things... a cartoon is a show... yet you refer to a
>character as a toon. So how does toon = cartoon when they are meant to
>refer to completely different things.. yet mean the same?
Actually, looking at Neko's little line there, the major flaw in the
logic comes here: All cartoons are animated, but not all animations
are cartoons. Technically, all movies are animated. They're all a
series of moving images, which is, by definition, what animated means
(in said context). By Neko's logic, we're going to have to start
referring to the characters in the LotR movies as "toons".
Rumbledor
> Rumbledor wrote:
>
>> 42 <us...@example.net> wrote in news:_yuoc.430196$Pk3.73237@pd7tw1no:
>>
>>
>>>Rumbledor wrote:
>>>
< snip >
>>>>I have the same problem with the terms "wizzy", "shammy", "pally"
>>>>and the like. Much like "toon", those examples don't serve any
>>>>purpose aside from being an attempt at sounding more hip.
>>>
>>>I doubt anyone says wizzy to be hip. :)
>>
>>
>> I'd be interested to hear the real reason(s). I can't explain it
>> otherwise. A mere need to be "different", maybe? That's pretty close
>> to "hip" more often than not.
>
> pally as alt sp. for pali?... even I've used "pali"?
>
As I mentioned, "pally" at least makes a little sense in that it shortens
the intended term by a syllable. "Wizzie" and "shammy" don't appear to add
any value at all, therefore I question the motivation behind their use.
Justin H.
>
> I stand corrected.
>
> Can you look 'toon' up in there too? :)
Although I'm sure you were kidding, I couldn't resist. :-)
It's either an Asian tree from the mahogany family, or a character from
an animated cartoon.
--Inyidd
Rumbledor
> On Wed, 12 May 2004 21:48:29 GMT, Rumbledor
> <Rumb...@HotRemoveThisPartMail.com> wrote:
>
>>>>> http://play.toontown.com/webHome.php?r=446282&source=Direct&r=68078
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>As I mentioned elsewhere, there and EQ are the only places I've seen
>>>>the term used to refer to a video game avatar.
>>>
>>> Anyone else notice there was a reference tag on Shane's link... :/
>>>
>>
>>Would you mind clue'ing in the clueless, please? What's that and
>>what's its significance?
>
> Okay, I'm not entirely sure, but the "?r=446282&source=Direct&r=68078"
> appears to be a reference tag. What a reference tag is a unique code
> for a member that they can tag onto the URL so that if people use the
> URL they post to visit the site, then sign up for the service or
> whatnot, that member gets credit in either in-game rewards or toward
> membership fees. You see them a lot in spam about those silly
> web-based games that are mainly just click-generators to earn the guy
> running the "game" revenue from banner/pop-up ads.
>
> It may not have been a reference tag, though. I may have jumped the
> gun...
>
Good ta know, regardless. Thanks.
Bob Perez
"Rumbledor" <Rumb...@HotRemoveThisPartMail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns94E7A70AB72F1R...@63.240.76.16...
> > I agree that people who play 'toons' aren't roleplayers... but they
> > aren't necessarily trying to be obnoxious d00ds with the term.
> I'll give you that, I suppose, but they do seem to be playing the game(s)
> in a different spirit than that which was intended. I agree with Horus. It
> seems to be just one more baby step away from what makes these games
great.
Hmm, I don't think I agree with you guys on this one. I love role-playing,
it's why I created Winterfury on the FV server, and it's also why I created
Doc Justice, my CoH main, with a backstory, a battlecry, and color-matching
text messages that try and create the atmosphere I envision for my character
when I'm performing various heroic acts. And while I usually refer to him as
my "character", every once in a while I'll use shorthand and talk about my
"toon" just as I will occasionally say Grats! or describe a "mob" instead of
a "villain". Honestly, I don't see the problem here guys.
--
Doc Justice
20th Level Defender (Empathy/Radiation Blast)
Citizen of the Justice Server - Paragon City
The Hypnotist
15th Level Controller (Illusion/Storm)
Citizen of the Protector Server - Paragon City
Bob Perez
"42" <us...@example.net> wrote in message
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> and toon is fps slang...it depends where
> you come from.
Since when is "toon" fps slang? I've played all game genres forever and I'm
certain that the first time I ever heard use of the term "toon" was in
reference to one of the several slots available for an mmog character. In my
mind it always suggested the availability of various "toons", thus "this
toon", as opposed to the fixed character that you had in your typical FPS.
Bob Perez
"Dark Tyger" <dark...@somewhere.net> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 12 May 2004 18:52:40 GMT, 42 <us...@example.net> wrote:
> I suppose next you're going to start justifying "u", "r", "plz",
> "thx", "ne1" and such?
I like to use the terms "you", "are", "please", "thanks", and "anyone",
although I have been known to use "thx" on occasion for whatever random
reason. Just exactly who are we supposed to be "justifying" this usage to?
Rumbledor
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>> > I agree that people who play 'toons' aren't roleplayers... but they
>> > aren't necessarily trying to be obnoxious d00ds with the term.
>
>> I'll give you that, I suppose, but they do seem to be playing the
>> game(s) in a different spirit than that which was intended. I agree
>> with Horus. It seems to be just one more baby step away from what
>> makes these games
> great.
>
> Hmm, I don't think I agree with you guys on this one. I love
> role-playing, it's why I created Winterfury on the FV server, and it's
> also why I created Doc Justice, my CoH main, with a backstory, a
> battlecry, and color-matching text messages that try and create the
> atmosphere I envision for my character when I'm performing various
> heroic acts. And while I usually refer to him as my "character", every
> once in a while I'll use shorthand and talk about my "toon" just as I
> will occasionally say Grats! or describe a "mob" instead of a
> "villain". Honestly, I don't see the problem here guys.
Honestly, the term just seems out of place to me. It appears to be merely
a less correct alternative, and I don't see any logical reason for using
it.
Why do some people refer to their...
...car as their "ride"?
...place of residence as their "crib"?
...shoes as "kicks"?
...jewelry as "bling bling"?
I believe that most (naturally there are exceptions) people who use the
term "toon" in reference to a MMORPG character do so merely because they
find the correct term to be less interesting. I also believe that the
desire to be more interesting is one very accurate way of describing what
it means to try and be more "hip" or "trendy".
I have a problem when people feel the uncontrollable need to change
things simply for the sake of change.
Remington Stone
}Honestly, the term just seems out of place to me. It appears to be merely
}a less correct alternative, and I don't see any logical reason for using
}it.
}Why do some people refer to their...
}...car as their "ride"?
}...place of residence as their "crib"?
}...shoes as "kicks"?
}...jewelry as "bling bling"?
...dextrously as "nimbly-bimbly"?
}"Am I jumpin' from tree to tree all nimbly-bimbly?!"
Yea, I'm just makin' trouble for the sake of trouble. :)
Danny
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> "Rumbledor" <Rumb...@HotRemoveThisPartMail.com> wrote in message
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> > > I agree that people who play 'toons' aren't roleplayers... but they
> > > aren't necessarily trying to be obnoxious d00ds with the term.
>
> > I'll give you that, I suppose, but they do seem to be playing the
game(s)
> > in a different spirit than that which was intended. I agree with Horus.
It
> > seems to be just one more baby step away from what makes these games
> great.
>
> Hmm, I don't think I agree with you guys on this one. I love role-playing,
> it's why I created Winterfury on the FV server, and it's also why I
created
> Doc Justice, my CoH main, with a backstory,
I havnt decided on a battle cry and dont know how to mess with the text msgs
yet but I also feel the same about my fire blaster (Solar - Flare).
Danny
"Rumbledor" <Rumb...@HotRemoveThisPartMail.com> wrote in message
Are you really so rigid and set in your ways that you can't tolerate
something just a little differant?
John Gordon
> Why do some people refer to their...
> ...car as their "ride"?
> ...place of residence as their "crib"?
> ...shoes as "kicks"?
> ...jewelry as "bling bling"?
> I have a problem when people feel the uncontrollable need to change
> things simply for the sake of change.
As I understand it, most subcultures tend to come up with their own
lingo. It fosters a sense of belonging/inclusion.
--
John Gordon "Between BST melee, their spells, their warders' melee,
gor...@panix.com and their warders' procs, they put out enough damage
to make monks cry." -- Dark Tyger
Crash86
"Rumbledor" wrote:
> I believe that most (naturally there are exceptions) people who use the
> term "toon" in reference to a MMORPG character do so merely because they
> find the correct term to be less interesting. I also believe that the
> desire to be more interesting is one very accurate way of describing what
> it means to try and be more "hip" or "trendy".
>
> I have a problem when people feel the uncontrollable need to change
> things simply for the sake of change.
Personally, I have no more problem with "toon" than I do "mob".
I do have problems with 'plz', 'u', 'ur', 'yw', and 'np', but that's a
personal bias against d00dsp33k and is not game related, or limited to the
context gaming.
Crash
Rumbledor
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> "Rumbledor" <Rumb...@HotRemoveThisPartMail.com> wrote in message
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>> "Bob Perez" <ab...@fcc.gov> wrote in
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< snip >
>>
>> I believe that most (naturally there are exceptions) people who use
>> the term "toon" in reference to a MMORPG character do so merely
>> because they find the correct term to be less interesting. I also
>> believe that the desire to be more interesting is one very accurate
>> way of describing what it means to try and be more "hip" or "trendy".
>>
>> I have a problem when people feel the uncontrollable need to change
>> things simply for the sake of change.
>>
>
> Are you really so rigid and set in your ways that you can't tolerate
> something just a little differant?
>
Nope. I never said I can't tolerate it. I merely said I had a problem with
it. It's not even a big problem, more a minor peeve, I would say.
Justin H.
>
> Personally, I have no more problem with "toon" than I do "mob".
I don't know why you'd have a problem with "mob" in particular. It's a
legitimate abbreviation that, as far as I know, has it's roots in MUDs.
--Inyidd
Rumbledor
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I agree there. "Toon" is a minor annoyance to me. Those are worse though.
Justin H.
Nemmind. I missread that. =/
--Inyidd
Remington Stone
I think the problem is that it doesn't have its roots in fantasy fiction.
Bilbo tells the group, "I'm gonna go check Smaug's aggro range. I have
my ring, I should be safe."
Gandalf tells the group, "D00d, he sees invis! You can't toy with a mob
like that, we have no cleric."
42
> "42" <us...@example.net> wrote in message
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>
>>and toon is fps slang...it depends where
>>you come from.
>
>
> Since when is "toon" fps slang? I've played all game genres forever and I'm
> certain that the first time I ever heard use of the term "toon" was in
> reference to one of the several slots available for an mmog character. In my
> mind it always suggested the availability of various "toons", thus "this
> toon", as opposed to the fixed character that you had in your typical FPS.
The earliest reference I can confirm is diablo. Which is neither an fps
nor a mmog.
That said, its common in both fps and mmogs now. Its origin is still
unknown ... but i'm still entertaining the idea that its ultimately from
the p&p rpg called 'Toon.
Danny
"Remington Stone" <ez06...@vidi.ucdavis.edu> wrote in message
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> Justin H. said:
> }On the calendar, in the box marked 5/13/2004 2:03 PM ^ Crash86 scratched:
> }> Personally, I have no more problem with "toon" than I do "mob".
> }I don't know why you'd have a problem with "mob" in particular. It's a
> }legitimate abbreviation that, as far as I know, has it's roots in MUDs.
>
> I think the problem is that it doesn't have its roots in fantasy fiction.
>
All in all, as long as there are no numbers and its shorter, the roots of a
word/slang/abbreviation, should not matter.
Hagen Sienhold
> Dark Tyger wrote:
>> No, they're saying plz and thx. They're too lazy to type out an extra
>> 3 letters, I'd rather have nothing said at all. I'm not OFFENDED, I'm
>> annoyed by it.
> 3 letters a word adds up to a lot of extra carpal tunnel over a month...
> sorry it annoys you. As long as they aren't *mis*spelling full words to
> get extra x's or z's into them, tossing the big phrases 'all your base
> are belong to us' or 'u r fag!', or using numbers instead of letters I'm
> not fazed by it.
> I can handle, "Pls tell me where u r?"
It's not the question whether I can handle it or nor. I can. But I don't
like it in the least. If I'm not worth the extra second to type a few
more letters than don't ask at all. I don't need a 'thx' and generally
doesn't pay attention to 'plz this' 'plz that' calls. Don't get me wrong
I'm not offended but annoyed by it too.
Everquest usually isn't that fast paced that you have to type as short
as possible. I lead raids for my guild occasionally. So I have my share
of fast paced action in chats. And things can and will get stressful.
Even then I don't resort to such abbreviations.
Maybe I misinterpret it but I read a kind of disrespect into it. Or a 'I
don't care about you' attitude at least.
Hagen
Rumbledor
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> "Remington Stone" <ez06...@vidi.ucdavis.edu> wrote in message
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>> Justin H. said:
>> }On the calendar, in the box marked 5/13/2004 2:03 PM ^ Crash86
>> scratched: }> Personally, I have no more problem with "toon" than I
>> do "mob". }I don't know why you'd have a problem with "mob" in
>> particular. It's a }legitimate abbreviation that, as far as I know,
>> has it's roots in MUDs.
>>
>> I think the problem is that it doesn't have its roots in fantasy
>> fiction.
>>
>
> All in all, as long as there are no numbers and its shorter, the roots
> of a word/slang/abbreviation, should not matter.
>
Using that logic, then wouldn't it be just as acceptible to begin referring
to the tree houses in Kelethin as "scrapers", short for sky-scrapers? They
are very tall built (the habitation areas anyway) structures, after all.
Maybe not a very creative example, but I believe it would be just as
correct as the use of the term "toon" in this case.
Either way, a person might know what I meant, but why not just call it what
it is, rather than come up with a different, less correct term for it?
Faned
> "Danny" <NoS...@Here.net> wrote in
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> >
> > "Remington Stone" <ez06...@vidi.ucdavis.edu> wrote in message
> > news:c80sj3$5n4$1...@woodrow.ucdavis.edu...
> >> Justin H. said:
> >> }On the calendar, in the box marked 5/13/2004 2:03 PM ^ Crash86
> >> scratched: }> Personally, I have no more problem with "toon" than I
> >> do "mob". }I don't know why you'd have a problem with "mob" in
> >> particular. It's a }legitimate abbreviation that, as far as I know,
> >> has it's roots in MUDs.
> >>
> >> I think the problem is that it doesn't have its roots in fantasy
> >> fiction.
> >>
> >
> > All in all, as long as there are no numbers and its shorter, the roots
> > of a word/slang/abbreviation, should not matter.
> >
>
> Using that logic, then wouldn't it be just as acceptible to begin referring
> to the tree houses in Kelethin as "scrapers", short for sky-scrapers? They
> are very tall built (the habitation areas anyway) structures, after all.
> Maybe not a very creative example, but I believe it would be just as
> correct as the use of the term "toon" in this case.
Do you call them skyscrapers? Do you know anyone who calls them that?
Thinks of them as skyscrapers? Has ever mentioned or thought the word
"skyscraper" in conjunction with that zone?
I thought the "Jonathan" analogy was bad... =P
> Either way, a person might know what I meant, but why not just call it what
> it is, rather than come up with a different, less correct term for it?
I think we should call them radio towers. I mean, they are tall structures,
after all...
Rumbledor
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/agree
Don't give the the example of a bard, either. I played one and if I had
anything that needed saying, I said it. If you can become fast at typing
"plz", then you can become within a fraction of a second of being just as
fast typing "please" and not be speaking some kind of shorthand
gibberish.
I also can tolerate it without any trouble. I'm just saying it annoys me.
Danny
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> "Danny" <NoS...@Here.net> wrote in
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> >
> > "Remington Stone" <ez06...@vidi.ucdavis.edu> wrote in message
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> >> Justin H. said:
> >> }On the calendar, in the box marked 5/13/2004 2:03 PM ^ Crash86
> >> scratched: }> Personally, I have no more problem with "toon" than I
> >> do "mob". }I don't know why you'd have a problem with "mob" in
> >> particular. It's a }legitimate abbreviation that, as far as I know,
> >> has it's roots in MUDs.
> >>
> >> I think the problem is that it doesn't have its roots in fantasy
> >> fiction.
> >>
> >
> > All in all, as long as there are no numbers and its shorter, the roots
> > of a word/slang/abbreviation, should not matter.
> >
>
> Using that logic, then wouldn't it be just as acceptible to begin
referring
> to the tree houses in Kelethin as "scrapers", short for sky-scrapers? They
> are very tall built (the habitation areas anyway) structures, after all.
> Maybe not a very creative example, but I believe it would be just as
> correct as the use of the term "toon" in this case.
>
You are correct.
> Either way, a person might know what I meant, but why not just call it
what
> it is, rather than come up with a different, less correct term for it?
>
Who knows, I'm not the one creating these terms.
Danny
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When in Rome, . . . .
Rumbledor
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>> >
>> > "Remington Stone" <ez06...@vidi.ucdavis.edu> wrote in message
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>> >> Justin H. said:
>
>>
>> Either way, a person might know what I meant, but why not just call it
> what
>> it is, rather than come up with a different, less correct term for it?
>>
>
> When in Rome, . . . .
>
Except in this case, I'm also a Roman. Which then determines what Romans
do?
--
Rumble
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>> >
>> > "Remington Stone" <ez06...@vidi.ucdavis.edu> wrote in message
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>> >> Justin H. said:
>> >> }On the calendar, in the box marked 5/13/2004 2:03 PM ^ Crash86
>> >> scratched: }> Personally, I have no more problem with "toon" than
>> >> I do "mob". }I don't know why you'd have a problem with "mob" in
>> >> particular. It's a }legitimate abbreviation that, as far as I
>> >> know, has it's roots in MUDs.
>> >>
>> >> I think the problem is that it doesn't have its roots in fantasy
>> >> fiction.
>> >>
>> >
>> > All in all, as long as there are no numbers and its shorter, the
>> > roots of a word/slang/abbreviation, should not matter.
>> >
>>
>> Using that logic, then wouldn't it be just as acceptible to begin
>> referring to the tree houses in Kelethin as "scrapers", short for
>> sky-scrapers? They are very tall built (the habitation areas anyway)
>> structures, after all. Maybe not a very creative example, but I
>> believe it would be just as correct as the use of the term "toon" in
>> this case.
>
> Do you call them skyscrapers? Do you know anyone who calls them that?
> Thinks of them as skyscrapers? Has ever mentioned or thought the word
> "skyscraper" in conjunction with that zone?
No to all, but that doesn't change the fact that its use in that regard
would any less sense from the standpoint of correctness. Why was "toon"
considered correct? How did it become any more acceptible? If I started
the trend of using the term "scrapers" in this sense, would it then make
so much more sense to you, merely because more people would then be using
it on a more regular basis?
> I thought the "Jonathan" analogy was bad... =P
Heh, it was. :P
>> Either way, a person might know what I meant, but why not just call
>> it what it is, rather than come up with a different, less correct
>> term for it?
>
> I think we should call them radio towers. I mean, they are tall
> structures, after all...
That would be a less similar term, to be sure, but a decent example of
how a few shared attributes do not ensure an interchangeability in their
usage.
--
Rumble
Justin H.
>
> Except in this case, I'm also a Roman. Which then determines what Romans
> do?
The Senate, of course.
--Inyidd
Rumbledor
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Hey, *you* sited that old adage, not me. Don't step away from it now. :)
--
Rumble
Faned
But you're a Roman complaining about what a bunch of other Romans are doing.
Faned
Because "toon" from "cartoon" or "avatar" or any number of other terms used
are all, *at first glance*, understandable. When someone said "I gotta
switch toons and get that out of the bank" the first time, you *knew* what
they meant, even if you'd never heard the term before. It's basis
is undeniable.
Don't take this wrong. I have never used the term "toon" in my life, and
probably never will. I have no problems with those who do, though. Nor do
I have problems with "avatar" or "PC", both of which I also don't use
(though I may have used PC once or twice, it's just too confusing to use
regularly).
Danny
"Rumbledor" <Rumb...@HotRemoveThisPartMail.com> wrote in message
It's an expression man, I'm not going to argue semantics with you.
Aruvqan
> Because "toon" from "cartoon" or "avatar" or any number of other terms used
> are all, *at first glance*, understandable. When someone said "I gotta
> switch toons and get that out of the bank" the first time, you *knew* what
> they meant, even if you'd never heard the term before. It's basis
> is undeniable.
>
> Don't take this wrong. I have never used the term "toon" in my life, and
> probably never will. I have no problems with those who do, though. Nor do
> I have problems with "avatar" or "PC", both of which I also don't use
> (though I may have used PC once or twice, it's just too confusing to use
> regularly).
Hm, on my normal server, sol ro, it seems the aviak village is called
'aviacs' or 'kfc' or 'birdtown' dpending on who you are talking with.
I commonly will just say 'alting' or 'going to go into an alt' when I
change characters and people seem to understand just fine. most people I
play with will call it 'going to change alts' and one or 2 occasionally
call it a toon.
I occasionally have to ask people what they mean by camp names if I am
new to a zone, but generally they are ok with explaining which camp they
are using. I dislike just calling camps by the initials..
Danny
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Exactly the response I would expect . . .
. . . from a troll.