Name of a PK
Xantia
Just need to teel that a char named :
Jedi-dark
Acc name is :
MepzoCTB
Is a fucking PK.
Just kill my pala on Europa
Xantia
Gundemarie Scholz
> Acc name is :
>
> MepzoCTB
Russian name, meaning abomination, atrociousness. Quite appropriate I
would say.
Nostromo
Domini:
>"Xantia" <Xan...@vcybercity.dk> wrote:
>
>>Just need to teel that a char named :
>>
><censored>
>>
>>Acc name is :
>>
><censored>
>>
>>Is a <censored> PK.
>>
>>
>>Just kill my pala on Europa
>
>I feel sorry for your char, but what about the story?
>Was it a legal PK or a TPPK hack?
>
>Or do you just want to peach somebody for his style of LoD'ing?
>
>PK'ing in HC is a legal kind of playing to climb the ladder, IMHO.
>SC is sports, you lose, you come back.
>HC is war, you lose, you're dead.
>That's it. Nothing more.
>
>
>Sorry, for I'm just back from bnet, lost my lvl45 strafazon, so I'm
>sort of laid-back. Lost her to Diablo the one and only himself in an
>NM rush. Silly me I think I'd stop this rushing to survive in HC. *eg*
>
>But: That's the way it goes, and finally it's just sports, eh, a game.
>
>
>J:
>NP: -
You haven't been here long, ey Joergy?
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of rushing flames to emerge :->
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Nostromo
Domini:
>Nostromo <nost...@spamfree.net.au> wrote:
>
>[snip]
>>You haven't been here long, ey Joergy?
>>
>><sits back, gets the popcorn, dims the lights, waits for the glorious sound
>>of rushing flames to emerge :->
>
>Pardon me?
>
>
>J:
>NP: -
Comments like "PK'ing in HC is a legal kind of playing to climb the ladder"
won't win you many friends around here. Pkers (even 'legal' ones) are
scumbags who use cheap tricks & subterfuge to fuck over honest,
team-oriented PvM players out of their hard-won characters, no exceptions, &
your opinion certainly not-withstanding. If they wanna climb a ladder they
can all get their own & go fuck each other over on it. Oh wait - that would
be called 'dueling', which IS the only honourable way to do PvP, so most of
the scumbags & redheaded stepchildren wouldn't like that, as it would make
the odds way too even.
Mark
"Joerg Frey" <z...@gmx.net> wrote in message
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> Nostromo <nost...@spamfree.net.au> wrote:
>
> >Comments like "PK'ing in HC is a legal kind of playing to climb the
> >ladder" won't win you many friends around here.
>
> making friends.
>
> Anyway, the point in my first reply should be "SC is sports, HC is
> war". In war there are no rules.
Bullshit. PKs are nearly nonexistent in SC where they can do no real harm to
others. But in HC where they can torment and cause grief to other players
they are thick as flies. I think that's all that need be said about their
motivations and their character.
What's the point of playing public games on B-net if you can't trust anyone
and you constantly have to be looking over your shoulder. You certainly
can't get a decent co-op game going. And if by some stroke of luck you do
get one going, some griefer is likely to come along and kill someone. Or at
the very least chase everyone away, ruining a good game. The attraction of
HC is that the players are generally more experienced, and cooperative play
is usually at a premium so as to maximize the survival of your character.
PKs are just a fly in the ointment, that ruin an otherwise great game.
> >Pkers (even 'legal' ones) are scumbags who use cheap tricks
>
> I didn't mean PK'ing in general, but without hacks or tools that do
> the work, because with those it would be the same like invading Iraq
> by nuclear bombing, or beaming armies of hightech robos into hostile
> HQs.
> If for instance a char decides to leave a party and kill someone, it's
> his own business, but I don't see the reason why to denunciate this
> guy by announcing his account.
PKs are the scum of B-net. They revel in the grief they cause others. And
even if they only PK legitimately, they only victimize the newer and less
experienced players. It is perfectly logical for friendly, cooperative
players to warn each other about any threats in the game, particularly
griefer PKs.
> >& subterfuge to fuck over honest, team-oriented PvM players out of
> >their hard-won characters,
>
> Wait a sec, hard-won? Hm, most of the time I see Tristram, Sewers, and
> Baal runs over and over again, begging for way points and items, and
> trading stuff that I can't imagine an honest char has _won_ them in
> battles. And these are the games, where most of the PKs happen. So
> nobody should complain for being potentially killed when going the
> easy way and daring to play open games, especially with mid or high
> level "hard-won characters".
How dare you judge how others like to play the game, and dismiss their play
style as somehow deserving to have their character deleted by a griefer?
Dismissing others or diminishing them is a standard practice to make
oppressing them palatable. It's this exact tactic that has been used to
justify bigotry throughout history.
> I didn't question really team-oriented players. I only wanted to
> point out that HC made me learn to trust nobody I don't know, and that
> _denunciation_ (except for hackers) is not the way to resolve such a
> problem, you see?
I see that you are a self righteous person that tries to rationalize boorish
behavior. This exact behavior is what makes public B-net games in general so
vulgar and hostile. It would be SO much better if the friendly and
cooperative player were empowered, rather than the griefers and their
apologists.
Regards-
Mark
Bongo-Fury
Brian Brunner
>>
>> "Joerg Frey" wrote
>> > I'm here not for making friends.
You might succeed beyond your imagining.
>> > war". In war there are no rules.
For the subhuman, the bestial, this is true.
>> PKs are the scum of B-net. They revel in the grief they cause others.
This is the point that needs underscoring: the attitude that enjoys
being an ambush PK (differing from a PVP dueler in a "DULES_R_US" game
requires the mind set that *enjoys* "accidentally" bumping a stack of
books onto somebody's fragile science project, crushing it into junk.
That's a ton of laughs for these sick minds and black hearts.
>> > Wait a sec, hard-won?
>> How dare you judge how others like to play the game, and dismiss their play
>> style as somehow deserving to have their character deleted by a griefer?
Yeah, what does it say of you to justify dishing out grief to those who
have no desire for it? Go into "DUELS_R_US" games, and I happily don't
care. Ruin the public games with the ambush PKs, and you're just sick.
>> It would be SO much better if the friendly and
>> cooperative player were empowered, rather than the griefers and their
>> apologists.
Amen, Rev Bongo!
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Nostromo
;-)
Babe Bridou
Shh! I agree with Joerg on the PK matter.
Ladder PK is a good thing. Tracking a powerful character on the ladder
ranking, and PKing it so you can progress through the higher spheres of
the ladder, is bound to happen. Read R.A. Salvatore for what a true
hardcore ladder means. Running the hardcore ladder is exciting,
interesting, dangerous, and would be the exact replication of softcore
ladder if not for PKs.
Of course, I completely despise random PK psychos, such as BMPK clans.
But I accept the concept of hunting someone in particular, because,
well, he has acquired enough power and deserves to be hunted.
RU42
>
>Ladder PK is a good thing. Tracking a powerful character on the ladder
>ranking, and PKing it so you can progress through the higher spheres of
>the ladder, is bound to happen. Read R.A. Salvatore for what a true
>hardcore ladder means. Running the hardcore ladder is exciting,
>interesting, dangerous, and would be the exact replication of softcore
>ladder if not for PKs.
>
>
>But I accept the concept of hunting someone in particular, because,
>well, he has acquired enough power and deserves to be hunted.
LOL - that reminds me of playing Assassin while in college. Anyone
ever play that?
Assassin was a group of people who would hunt each other down.
Everyone would receive a contract for another person. The only off
limits area was classes. You used suction cup dart guns. There could
be 0 witnesses. When you kill a person then you get their contract.
As each kill happens the circle gets smaller and smaller unto 2 are
left hunting each other. Usually took 2-3 weeks to complete. You can
nail the person anywhere and at any time of the day or night.
My favorite all time kill was when I drew a guy who was a dominoes
delivery guy. I hid in the shadows and waited for him to return from
a delivery. I then snuck up to the passenger side of his car and hid,
looking under the car towards the front door of Dominoes. In a 4
college town I knew he wouldn't be inside too long.
Out he comes, both arms full of pizza. As he gets to his door I jumo
up, lay my arm across the roof of his car and nailed him in the chest.
He almost dropped those poor people's pizzas.
That was a fun kill.
Anyway, your post reminded me of those games. I was the champ 3 years
running. It came to the 3rd year and everyone was trying to get me
killed. I was too good. Ninjas rule the night.
RU
Nostromo
+0200, Anno Domini:
The problem is, you don't gain XP by pking, only by killing monsters & most
pking scumsucker builds rely on leeching at many points in the game to
progress, whereas the PvM player (well, most decent, coop oriented ones)
have worked hard to get to where they're at. Plus a lvl 20-ish pker could
easily kill a lvl 70+ PvM char - where's the balance of risk & fairness in
THAT!?
Or...nice troll Babe! >;-p
Babe Bridou
>>
>>Ladder PK is a good thing. Tracking a powerful character on the ladder
>>ranking, and PKing it so you can progress through the higher spheres of
>>the ladder, is bound to happen. Read R.A. Salvatore for what a true
>>hardcore ladder means. Running the hardcore ladder is exciting,
>>interesting, dangerous, and would be the exact replication of softcore
>>ladder if not for PKs.
>>
>>
>>But I accept the concept of hunting someone in particular, because,
>>well, he has acquired enough power and deserves to be hunted.
> LOL - that reminds me of playing Assassin while in college. Anyone
> ever play that?
Woohoo! I first thought you were referring to RL assassin, as in, really
hunting a real human and committing a real murder... *shivers*
But, yeah, I played that game once or twice, it's exciting and really
immersive, but the fact that you had to give up about everything for this
game for a long period of time (no truce, nowhere to hide for a week or
two) got me down the drain along with the pizzas I was delivering. ;)
just joking on the pizza thing :)
Sonni Skammelsen
I kinda agree with babe on this issue, not that i like to agree with a
frenchman.
No pain, no gain.
Being fairly new to hardcore i should be a easy victim.
So far i have been tppk'ed twice as my only two looses to not pvm play.
Lost one time in a lld in a little deathmatch we did on a boring saturday
afternoon.
I have been tried pk'ed to many times to remember, but never died.
It's a part of the game, no matter if you like it or not. And i have a
hard time believing that you have a char that can handle a charging lister
and pack, but not a little charging pally.
--
Sonni
Wim van Unen
You are right Nostromo, pkers are scumbags, they use hacks to kill
characters who are less strong than the pker (are they afraid that a little
character can run away ??)
In real life pkers are cowards that try to molest children, because they
are afraid of adults.
Willem
Nostromo
+0200, Anno Domini:
Benedict Arnold! (& I'm an Aussie! ;-p)
>No pain, no gain.
No brain no gain? (That's my fave retort to that bit of gutter psychology
;-)
>Being fairly new to hardcore i should be a easy victim.
>So far i have been tppk'ed twice as my only two looses to not pvm play.
>Lost one time in a lld in a little deathmatch we did on a boring saturday
>afternoon.
>
>I have been tried pk'ed to many times to remember, but never died.
>It's a part of the game, no matter if you like it or not. And i have a
>hard time believing that you have a char that can handle a charging lister
>and pack, but not a little charging pally.
Mate, I haven't got *anything* that can withstand a charging Lister's niece
with full Holy Freeze on her!
Nostromo
Anno Domini:
>You are right Nostromo, pkers are scumbags, they use hacks to kill
>characters who are less strong than the pker (are they afraid that a little
>character can run away ??)
>In real life pkers are cowards that try to molest children, because they
>are afraid of adults.
>
>Willem
That's a bit harsh mate...I'm sure some of them are molested children as
well...>;-) ... errr...bad joke...here come the flames *duck*
Ian Oversby
> I have been tried pk'ed to many times to remember, but never died.
> It's a part of the game, no matter if you like it or not. And i have a
> hard time believing that you have a char that can handle a charging lister
> and pack, but not a little charging pally.
So ignoring any mods, hell lister does how much damage? (150ish)
I was chatting to someone on usenet recently who managed to have
> 1.5k damage on a level 28 barb (okay, a mere 400 after pvp
penalty) :-p I think a charging pally could do better. And the
other difference is, you know what a lister looks like having
faced off against the *extremely good* AI 1000 times. Facing a
PK might be a little different.
No doubt about it, the most dangerous monster in the game is a
well built PK.
Ian
Sonni Skammelsen
Didn't think Aussies was so soft that a pk or two what have any affect on
them. There goes my imagination about Aussies. :)
>>No pain, no gain.
>
> No brain no gain? (That's my fave retort to that bit of gutter psychology
> ;-)
>
Could say something about that compare to your later comment, but i'll
leave it hanging in the open.
>>Being fairly new to hardcore i should be a easy victim.
>>So far i have been tppk'ed twice as my only two looses to not pvm play.
>>Lost one time in a lld in a little deathmatch we did on a boring saturday
>>afternoon.
>>
>>I have been tried pk'ed to many times to remember, but never died.
>>It's a part of the game, no matter if you like it or not. And i have a
>>hard time believing that you have a char that can handle a charging lister
>>and pack, but not a little charging pally.
>
> Mate, I haven't got *anything* that can withstand a charging Lister's niece
> with full Holy Freeze on her!
How do you get to baal then?
Have to admit i haven't really faced lister in hell on my own yet.
But at level 32 and higher i can take +2 hits from him without going down.
My last encounter with him and his friends on nm was a laugh, they
couldn't but a small scratch in my nice blue armor.
and when i visit him on hell i'll laugh at him again iirc.
So if my little assumption about him not doing more damage than lister i
would feel pretty safe.
But maybe it's just me who likes to build chars that are able to withstand
getting lister with friends spawned on top of you, in stead of hiding :)
--
Sonni
Sonni Skammelsen
> Sonni Skammelsen wrote:
>> I have been tried pk'ed to many times to remember, but never died.
>> It's a part of the game, no matter if you like it or not. And i have a
>> hard time believing that you have a char that can handle a charging lister
>> and pack, but not a little charging pally.
>
> So ignoring any mods, hell lister does how much damage? (150ish)
> I was chatting to someone on usenet recently who managed to have
>> 1.5k damage on a level 28 barb (okay, a mere 400 after pvp
> penalty) :-p I think a charging pally could do better. And the
> other difference is, you know what a lister looks like having
> faced off against the *extremely good* AI 1000 times. Facing a
> PK might be a little different.
>
I also know how a pk'er looks like, and 11 out of 10 times their AI is
worse than listers.
Unless you hanging around wp's and town exits you have a pretty good
warning time before they can get you.
I'm old and slow, so when i can cast a tp and enter it faster than someone
can tele down to throne of destruction, even when the know the way i think
you could manage that too.
> No doubt about it, the most dangerous monster in the game is a
> well built PK.
I must have been lucky then, my scorelist says pk 0, monsters 10
--
Sonni
Nostromo
+0200, Anno Domini:
>> Mate, I haven't got *anything* that can withstand a charging Lister's niece
>> with full Holy Freeze on her!
>
>How do you get to baal then?
In hell? When hell freezes over? ;-) Just scrapin around in NM still mate.
:)
>Have to admit i haven't really faced lister in hell on my own yet.
>But at level 32 and higher i can take +2 hits from him without going down.
>My last encounter with him and his friends on nm was a laugh, they
>couldn't but a small scratch in my nice blue armor.
>and when i visit him on hell i'll laugh at him again iirc.
>So if my little assumption about him not doing more damage than lister i
>would feel pretty safe.
*chuckle*
>But maybe it's just me who likes to build chars that are able to withstand
>getting lister with friends spawned on top of you, in stead of hiding :)
:-p
Ian Oversby
> I also know how a pk'er looks like, and 11 out of 10 times their AI is
> worse than listers.
Maybe 9.9 times out of 10. You're still new to HC remember ;)
>> No doubt about it, the most dangerous monster in the game is a
>> well built PK.
> I must have been lucky then, my scorelist says pk 0, monsters 10
Well, I'm saying most dangerous 1 on 1 monster. A well built PK is
the rarest monster in the game too - there is probably 1 for every
1000 spawned listers.
Ian
Babe Bridou
> Or...nice troll Babe! >;-p
Thanks! :P
sorry, but I can't agree with the level 70+ PvM char vs lvl 20ish PK
thing, especially in HC. I've been assaulted a number of times by low-mid
level PKs, and honestly, they couldn't kill me and I couldn't kill them.
Even my level 22 pure untwinked summonning druid was more or less powerful
enough to at least survive to a level 20 chargeadin PK. I had enough time
to go to town, he taunted me into a duel, which I accepted, then gave up
because I had no more mana pots after a few *minutes*.
Moreover, you miss the main point of my pro-PK argument: ladder ranking.
The victim MUST be on the ladder for me to accept the idea of "ladder
PKing". so it should be reserved to level 90ish+ public hardcore baalers,
those who NO LONGER play honestly, cooperatively and the hard way their
characters. They use dirty cheap tricks to level (public baal runs)
instead of playing the game, I don't see any reason why they shouldn't be
hunted by dirty cheap PK's with ladder climbing as a purpose. If their
characters deserve to live and keep on with the competition, then they
should survive easily.
And I still agree with you and maintain that PK'ing random characters as a
way to climb some sort of BMPK ladder is i) the dumbest way to make me
angry, and ii) the fastest way to make me turn BabyGhost into a deadly PKK
once (if) she's ready.
Sonni Skammelsen
> Sonni Skammelsen wrote:
>> I also know how a pk'er looks like, and 11 out of 10 times their AI is
>> worse than listers.
>
> Maybe 9.9 times out of 10. You're still new to HC remember ;)
>
ok i accept that :)
>>> No doubt about it, the most dangerous monster in the game is a
>>> well built PK.
>
>> I must have been lucky then, my scorelist says pk 0, monsters 10
>
> Well, I'm saying most dangerous 1 on 1 monster. A well built PK is
> the rarest monster in the game too - there is probably 1 for every
> 1000 spawned listers.
>
Then we are also back to that you don't meet many, and most of the time
you will know when you meet them.
So the problem isn't really that big :)
--
Sonni
Btw. i'm i going to meet you in berlin in 2 weeks or so ?
Sascha Hoemig
I lost more characters to the "lag-monster" than to pk's ! :-)
Sascha
chainbreaker
> I have been tried pk'ed to many times to remember, but never died.
> It's a part of the game, no matter if you like it or not. And i have a
> hard time believing that you have a char that can handle a charging
> lister
> and pack, but not a little charging pally.
I *know* I can build a character than can handle a (non-fanatic/might
enhanced), Lister, but I'd never assume I could handle a PK'er of any
stripe, even one many levels lower. I've learned that lesson the hard way a
couple of times.
They may be "part of the game", but they're nothing but a disruptive
element, and I'd be willing to bet that as manifested, they're not at all
what Blizzard had in mind when they make them part of it. Why they continue
to allow them in light of the hacks the group at large uses to do their
dirty work remains a mystery to me.
--
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If you need to email, then chainbreaker (naturally) at comcast dot
net--that's "net" not "com"--should do it.
Mark
"Sonni Skammelsen" <ne...@sonni.org> wrote in message
news:pan.2004.09.02....@sonni.org...
>
> Then we are also back to that you don't meet many, and most of the time
> you will know when you meet them.
>
> So the problem isn't really that big :)
But for every truly dangerous PK you have a couple thousand annoying pricks
who will still ruin your game by chasing people off. And you still have the
problem of the general tone of B-net being so hostile and paranoid due in
large part to PKs.
Regards-
Mark
Bongo-Fury
chainbreaker
> But for every truly dangerous PK you have a couple thousand annoying
> pricks who will still ruin your game by chasing people off. And you
> still have the problem of the general tone of B-net being so hostile
> and paranoid due in large part to PKs.
Exactly, and that's probably the worst effect of enabled PKing of all. I
can only imagine that Blizzard envisioned heightened group effort to
confront and defeat the offending PK'er, when in actuality any existing
group play is completely ruined.
Gabriele Neukam
> But I accept the concept of hunting someone in particular, because,
> well, he has acquired enough power and deserves to be hunted.
What was the name of that movie of a rich man who lives on an island and
loves to set unwitting newbies into the wilderness and hunt them?
Gabriele Neukam
--
Ah, Information. A good, too valuable these days, to give it away, just
so, at no cost.
Mark
"Gabriele Neukam" <Gabriele.Spam...@t-online.de> wrote in message
news:ch7jnh$e4f$04$4...@news.t-online.com...
> On that special day, Babe Bridou, (babeb...@hotmail.com) said...
>
> > But I accept the concept of hunting someone in particular, because,
> > well, he has acquired enough power and deserves to be hunted.
>
> What was the name of that movie of a rich man who lives on an island and
> loves to set unwitting newbies into the wilderness and hunt them?
Bzzzt
What is the Isle of Dr. Moreau.
I'll take useless trivia for 1000, Alex.
Regards-
Mark
Bongo-Fury
Nostromo
+0200, Anno Domini:
He, he.
>sorry, but I can't agree with the level 70+ PvM char vs lvl 20ish PK
>thing, especially in HC. I've been assaulted a number of times by low-mid
>level PKs, and honestly, they couldn't kill me and I couldn't kill them.
>Even my level 22 pure untwinked summonning druid was more or less powerful
>enough to at least survive to a level 20 chargeadin PK. I had enough time
>to go to town, he taunted me into a duel, which I accepted, then gave up
>because I had no more mana pots after a few *minutes*.
Interesting...
>Moreover, you miss the main point of my pro-PK argument: ladder ranking.
>The victim MUST be on the ladder for me to accept the idea of "ladder
>PKing". so it should be reserved to level 90ish+ public hardcore baalers,
>those who NO LONGER play honestly, cooperatively and the hard way their
>characters. They use dirty cheap tricks to level (public baal runs)
>instead of playing the game, I don't see any reason why they shouldn't be
>hunted by dirty cheap PK's with ladder climbing as a purpose. If their
>characters deserve to live and keep on with the competition, then they
>should survive easily.
Fair enough - under these circumstances (which I dare say I will never see),
I couldn't give a rat's arse what they do to each other >:-)
>And I still agree with you and maintain that PK'ing random characters as a
>way to climb some sort of BMPK ladder is i) the dumbest way to make me
>angry, and ii) the fastest way to make me turn BabyGhost into a deadly PKK
>once (if) she's ready.
I love your work Babe! ;-)
SunBae
"RU42" <nos...@nospam.com> wrote in message
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>
>>
>>Ladder PK is a good thing. Tracking a powerful character on the ladder
>>ranking, and PKing it so you can progress through the higher spheres of
>>the ladder, is bound to happen. Read R.A. Salvatore for what a true
>>hardcore ladder means. Running the hardcore ladder is exciting,
>>interesting, dangerous, and would be the exact replication of softcore
>>ladder if not for PKs.
>>
>
>>
>>But I accept the concept of hunting someone in particular, because,
>>well, he has acquired enough power and deserves to be hunted.
>
> LOL - that reminds me of playing Assassin while in college. Anyone
> ever play that?
>
> Assassin was a group of people who would hunt each other down.
> Everyone would receive a contract for another person. The only off
> limits area was classes. You used suction cup dart guns. There could
> be 0 witnesses. When you kill a person then you get their contract.
> As each kill happens the circle gets smaller and smaller unto 2 are
> left hunting each other. Usually took 2-3 weeks to complete. You can
> nail the person anywhere and at any time of the day or night.
>
> My favorite all time kill was when I drew a guy who was a dominoes
> delivery guy. I hid in the shadows and waited for him to return from
> a delivery. I then snuck up to the passenger side of his car and hid,
> looking under the car towards the front door of Dominoes. In a 4
> college town I knew he wouldn't be inside too long.
>
> Out he comes, both arms full of pizza. As he gets to his door I jumo
> up, lay my arm across the roof of his car and nailed him in the chest.
> He almost dropped those poor people's pizzas.
>
> That was a fun kill.
>
> Anyway, your post reminded me of those games. I was the champ 3 years
> running. It came to the 3rd year and everyone was trying to get me
> killed. I was too good. Ninjas rule the night.
>
> RU
Zamboni
"SunBae" <wes...@mt.com> wrote in message
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> Try that now, and you are libel to *really* get shot.
>
with (rubber band) rifles checking for unlocked doors in a dorm. Security
responded, came up behind them and shouted "Freeze!" The Darwin winner tried
a John Woo spin-kneel-shoot maneuver and lost (badly). After that, Assassin
was banned on most campuses.
--
Zamboni
chainbreaker
> Commercial matters, expensive developping of WoW and maybe the
> intention to drive users to their new games...? There's plenty of
> gossip on that.
Could be, but most likely it's simple bullheadedness not wanting to admit
they were wrong in the reality of the PK'ing feature as compared to their
perceived ideal, since they've had several opportunities to eliminate or
modify the Hostile feature, and haven't except in very minor fashion.
My biggest gripes about PK'ing are that it practically destroys co-op public
games, and that all the advantages are weighted in favor of the PK'er.
--
chainbreaker
Mark
"Joerg Frey" <z...@gmx.net> wrote in message
news:mcvej0122d7bs38aq...@4ax.com...
> >a lvl 20-ish pker could easily kill a lvl 70+ PvM char
>
> rejuv) are used, a 20er doesn't make that damage to kill even a 30er,
> see facts on PvP penalities, too.
>
> After all I've seen, 24 and 30 are the levels that make me being
> careful in the early stage. E.g. if a 30er bonemancer enters a game
> of low 20ies, I keep my eyes open.
Maybe not a 20, but I know PKs who have killed 70's with their 30's. A
tricked out PK in the hands of a skilled player is deadly far in excessof
their levels.
Regards-
Mark
Bongo-Fury
Mark
> Nostromo <nost...@spamfree.net.au> wrote:
>
> >He's probably a closet BMPK member Mark - don't waste any more breath
mate
> >;-)
>
>
> Would have been glad to see you going on discussing instead of
> cooperating to brother Mark in prejudicing and ending up in name
> dropping.
>
> But don't worry, I've added my acc name to my .sig, so you can check
> it yourself on the lists, before you come up again with advice to
> others whom they should talk to.
>
>
> Some facts: I play HC on bnet for nearly 2 weeks now,
I've played HC for about 3 years. And in that time I've gotten to become
good friends with some of the most skilled legit PKs on East and Europe. And
some of them are outstanding people. But after careful consideration, and
numerous debates on the subject, I feel PKing is a morally bankrupt
activity. And even though I otherwise think very highly of some folks who
PK, I cannot in good conscience associate with such individuals. The bottom
line for me is that right is right and wrong is wrong. And I will align
myself with the right.
Regards-
Mark
Bongo-Fury
Nostromo
Anno Domini:
Careful Mark, or the relativists will come crawling out of the woodwork mate
;-) But I'm on your side...or the right side...or the side that pays the
most...whichever comes first >;-)
Nostromo
-0400, Anno Domini:
Let's see how they handle WoW, which I'm almost certain to have a bash at.
That will determine once & for all whether Blizzard is run by business ppl
with at least *some* brains AND ethics...or cretins who wouldn't be able to
manage a root in a brothel.
Nostromo
Domini:
>Nostromo <nost...@spamfree.net.au> wrote:
>
>>He's probably a closet BMPK member Mark - don't waste any more breath mate
>>;-)
>
>You didn't get any point of what I wrote, eh?
I got every point. Even the ones you don't get yourself yet mate. Give it
time. >;-p
>Would have been glad to see you going on discussing instead of
>cooperating to brother Mark in prejudicing and ending up in name
>dropping.
It's more fun & honest this way. :)
>But don't worry, I've added my acc name to my .sig, so you can check
>it yourself on the lists, before you come up again with advice to
>others whom they should talk to.
Advice I'm sure Mark doesn't need & took in the spirit of the black humour
it was intended in.
>Some facts: I play HC on bnet for nearly 2 weeks now, lost a
More black humour: 2 weeks - so pretty soon you'll be at 9th level from
where you actually *can* get pked? Kewl. ;-p
>37-zoomancer due to a tppk in the Worldstone Keep (see
><gpa2j0p59mhsqveqj...@4ax.com> again), a low level ama
>near Mephisto due to far too low res, and my 42-strafazon to Diablo in
>an NM rush with a friend (Dia's fireblaze is a real killer, *d'uh*).
>
>I definitely don't like PK'ers, finally who likes murderers?
And whooooosh, still doesn't get it. You must enjoy having your hard-won fun
& achievements trampled all over by scumbags who don't even care what your
name is, ey? We call that 'masochism' & it's not for everyone.
>I'm realizing that I have to arrange with it, when I want to survive
>in HC, so complaining about stupid kids, morons, cheaters, blablablaaa
>doesn't help me to get my fun. I prefer playing.
Obviously...
>So when I try to discuss the theme here in agd2, I want to find out
>how other players have arranged with it, and "PK'ers are scumbags"
>really doesn't help to do so.
It the God's honest truth, so there! ;-p
Nostromo
Domini:
>Hi Mark!
>
>First of all I want to point out again that I'm not pro PK'ers that
>are having "fun" using MapHack, stuff like NTPK, or other hacks. So
>your assumption that I try to apologize childish behaviour fails.
>
>
>"Mark" <mt...@earthlinkSPAM.net> wrote:
>>"Joerg Frey" <z...@gmx.net> wrote:
>
>[snip]
>>> Anyway, the point in my first reply should be "SC is sports, HC is
>>> war". In war there are no rules.
>>
>>Bullshit.
>
>Did you read my original paragraph on this?
>
>|PK'ing in HC is a legal kind of playing to climb the ladder, IMHO.
>|SC is sports, you lose, you come back.
>|HC is war, you lose, you're dead.
>|That's it. Nothing more.
><n9haj0p7mcvrm8o69...@4ax.com>
>
>So I doubt this being "bullshit".
>This is simply a fact of the game as is.
>
>
>>PKs are nearly nonexistent in SC where they can do no real harm to
>>others.
>
>A PK'ed SC char comes back and stays in the ladder. So the PK'er has
>achieved nothing. That's the reason why there aren't any PK events in
>SC.
If you really believe this to be the truth, then you, my fine furry
feathered friend, are more delusional than the rest of us here put together
ROFLMAO!
Pkers, *by enlarge*, DON'T GIVE A FLYING FUCK about climbing any god-damn
ladders - get...it...into...your...thick...skull. They only care about
fucking up other ppl's fun & causing *grief*. Ppl who do this is RL are
called 'sociopaths'. Look it up.
<snipped rest of specious arguments & pathetic rationalisations>
Mark
> Hi Mark!
>
> First of all I want to point out again that I'm not pro PK'ers that
> are having "fun" using MapHack, stuff like NTPK, or other hacks. So
> your assumption that I try to apologize childish behaviour fails.
>
>
> "Mark" <mt...@earthlinkSPAM.net> wrote:
> >"Joerg Frey" <z...@gmx.net> wrote:
>
> [snip]
> >> Anyway, the point in my first reply should be "SC is sports, HC is
> >> war". In war there are no rules.
> >
> >Bullshit.
>
> Did you read my original paragraph on this?
>
> |PK'ing in HC is a legal kind of playing to climb the ladder, IMHO.
> |SC is sports, you lose, you come back.
> |HC is war, you lose, you're dead.
> |That's it. Nothing more.
> <n9haj0p7mcvrm8o69...@4ax.com>
>
> So I doubt this being "bullshit".
> This is simply a fact of the game as is.
No, I thought about it carefully, it's still bullshit.
> >PKs are nearly nonexistent in SC where they can do no real harm to
> >others.
>
> A PK'ed SC char comes back and stays in the ladder. So the PK'er has
> achieved nothing. That's the reason why there aren't any PK events in
> SC.
Right, they can kill another character, just like in HC. The game mechanics
and the challenge of the 'hunt' is exactly the same. The only difference is
the effect it causes to the other player. Since they can cause grief to
another player it gives them pleasure. That's sick, and nothing to admire or
honor.
> >But in HC where they can torment and cause grief to other players
> >they are thick as flies. I think that's all that need be said about
> >their motivations and their character.
>
> No, I have to say s.th. more, in your own words: How dare you to judge
> real persons' motivations and characters by the kind they play their
> char?
> Sure, they can cause "grief", but as I already said it: If anyone
> joins an open game with guys he doesn't know, he shouldn't complain
> when having been killed.
Then what's the point of B-net? I can arrange tcip/lan games amongst my
friends. But B-net was designed for people to meet others and play
MULTIPLAYER games. PK just ruin that.
> >What's the point of playing public games on B-net if you can't trust
> >anyone and you constantly have to be looking over your shoulder.
>
> Fun. If you don't want to look over your shoulder, play SC.
SC has no juice, it bores me to tears. And legit PKs are absolutely no
threat to my characters. The only thing they can accomplish is to break up a
good co-op game by chasing everyone away. Against an experienced player a PK
has NO chance to kill a character unless the 'victim' decides to stand and
fight. If a PK wants a duel, there are plenty of games to do that. By coming
into a PvM game they either want to kill a newbie or disrupt the game. How
can that possibly be fun or challenging? Their sole goal is to cause grief.
> And don't get me wrong again, I don't think "SC is for losers" or
> stuff like that. If someone will be sure not to lose his char, why
> does he play HC then? And if someone wants to play a safe game in HC,
> he should play passworded with people he knows, or take the risk to be
> killed.
I have plenty of folks to play private games with. And it is extremely
enjoyable not to have to worry about juvenile griefers disrupting my games.
But sometimes I like to meet new people and make new friends. PKs ruin that
aspect of B-net. And for what purpose, to satisfy their antisocial
pleasures.
> >You certainly can't get a decent co-op game going.
> >And if by some stroke of luck you do get one going,
>
> Don't know about you, but me, I can, every night I play the game. I
> always find good parties with cooperative players. Some of them ended
> up on my friends list, and the bigger the list, the more ofter you get
> co-op games going. Therefore it's not a question of "luck", it's a
> question of talking to each other and by this trying to determine, if
> the guys you play with are interested in co-op playing.
There are many private channels and private games loaded with people who
just want to escape the griefer PKs. It's a shame that the friendly,
respectful players have to hide away, while the griefers roam the public
realms. And many players who were not able to find these private communities
have left B-net in disgust. It's a sad statement that good people have to
suffer just so a few griefers can have their fun.
> >some griefer is likely to come along and kill someone.
>
> One of the main points in co-op playing is to warn each other if a
> dubious player enters, isn't it? But to see a "griefer" in everybody,
> leads to "I don't want to look over my shoulder" and finally to "ban
> all PK'ers!". I don't share that logic.
If it were only legit PKs it wouldn't be a problem. And your idealistic
vision might be valid. But for every legit PK how hunts other characters
honorably there are thousands of TPPK, WP jumpers and script kiddies. Given
the shoddy job Blizzard has done controlling hacks on the realms, the
implementation of the hostile 'feature' is unconscionable.
> >Or at the very least chase everyone away, ruining a good game.
>
> Nobody keeps you and the party you found from creating a passworded
> game. I made the experience that most of these party members are
> willing to do so, if such things are going to happen.
If you want to survive a TPPK or a WP jumper you absolutely do not have time
to arrange a private game. You've got to exit the game instantly on hostile.
And the skilled 'legit' PKs usually work in teams with a spotter (who will
loot them if something goes wrong). So arranging your hypothetical private
game will usually include the spotter. I'm intimately aware of PK tactics, I
know how they work. Your suggestion is a fantasy.
> >The attraction of HC is that the players are generally more
> >experienced, and cooperative play is usually at a premium so as to
> >maximize the survival of your character.
>
> I disagree, as I can't say anything about the experience of a player
> when I meet his level 12 char and how he plays it. Is a sewer runner
> a leecher, who only wants to profit from the kills others do, or is he
> somebody, who recently lost his char and wants to quickly build a new
> one? Me, I'm not able to determine this at first or second sight,
> neither would it lead me to the opinion that HC realms consist of
> 99.9% experienced players.
I've played HC for a long time. Recently I've played HC style characters
with some friends in the SC realms. I can say with authority that the level
of cooperative play is MUCH less in SC games. BO is much rarer than in HC,
as is OS. A party sticking together and working as a team is seen much less
often. And tactical play is far less advanced.
> The main attraction of HC is the possibility to lose a char
> completely, the thrill of evading death.
Absolutely.
> >PKs are just a fly in the ointment, that ruin an otherwise great game.
>
> Back to the "SC is sports, HC is war" philosophy, a doped sportsman
> gets disqualified, a soldier in war can cause real grief to whole
> families.
Sorry, but once again I say bullshit. It's the exact same game, except death
is permanent. There's no 'war', that's just something you ascribe to the
game. Your personal vision. The game is exactly the same, HC and SC, except
death is permanent.
> Back again to the game there's no use to complain about the decay. It
> seems a lot more efficient to arrange with the situations in the game.
>
> Great games are numerous, you only have to have the breathe to find or
> create them. That what you want is a throughout safe realm , with
> nothing to bother for, log in, play, log out. Some more sense please.
Not to be critical, because it seems English is not your native tongue. But
I don't understand what you're saying here.
> >>>Pkers (even 'legal' ones) are scumbags who use cheap tricks
> >>
> >> I didn't mean PK'ing in general, but without hacks or tools that do
> >> the work, because with those it would be the same like invading Iraq
> >> by nuclear bombing, or beaming armies of hightech robos into hostile
> >> HQs.
> >> If for instance a char decides to leave a party and kill someone, it's
> >> his own business, but I don't see the reason why to denunciate this
> >> guy by announcing his account.
> >
> >PKs are the scum of B-net. They revel in the grief they cause others. And
> >even if they only PK legitimately, they only victimize the newer and less
> >experienced players.
>
> Repeating words like "scum" make the use of them true?
> Sorry, but I'm missing arguments.
Yes, I can absolutely blame someone who uses the hostile button in HC. In HC
you cause grief to other players by permanently deleting their character.
While in SC, PKing only causes a temporary annoyance. PKs in SC are
extremely rare, while in HC they are very common. Someone who willingly
causes grief for others is to be criticized in the strongest terms. Calling
them scum is quite mild compared to what they deserve. And 99.9% of PKs only
do so because of the anonymity of the Internet. If they had to look their
'victims' in the eye, the vast majority of them would not have the guts to
do so. They are cowards and bullies, emboldened by anonymity and a lack of
consequences.
> I think a less experienced player gets more real exprience when being
> killed by a PK'er, for you can't abolish PK'ing and finally it was
> Blizzard's idea to implement the "switch to hostile" feature, so you
> can't blame anyone making use of it, can you?
Yes I absolutely can. When I walk down the beach I could destroy a little
child's sand castle with little fear of reprisal. Just because I CAN do it
doesn't mean that it is all right.
> And to carry it to an extreme: If you want to abolish PK'ing, than
> please be consequential and abolish muling and wp-sharing, too,
> because these aren't part of the original game concept either.
Is that so? Please supply a link or cite a source showing this. If muling is
not an intended part of the game, then what possible reason could there be
for the loot button in HC? The only purpose of the loot button is to mule
the gear of a dead HC character away for use on it's replacement. Blizzard
says as much in their FAQ on the Arreat Summit. In this point you are
indisputably wrong.
> >It is perfectly logical for friendly, cooperative players to warn each
> >other about any threats in the game, particularly griefer PKs.
>
> I didn't question that, see above. When playing in a good party and a
> so-called "griefer" drops in, I drop my warnings and/or propose a new,
> safer game.
Then what is the difference to warn people in a newsgroup. We all share tips
and strategies here to further the survival and success of our characters.
Why should it be different with regard to PKs? Their goal is to spoil our
fun, why can't we spoil their griefer fun?
> >> >& subterfuge to fuck over honest, team-oriented PvM players out of
> >> >their hard-won characters,
> >>
> >> Wait a sec, hard-won? Hm, most of the time I see Tristram, Sewers, and
> >> Baal runs over and over again, begging for way points and items, and
> >> trading stuff that I can't imagine an honest char has _won_ them in
> >> battles. And these are the games, where most of the PKs happen. So
> >> nobody should complain for being potentially killed when going the
> >> easy way and daring to play open games, especially with mid or high
> >> level "hard-won characters".
> >
> >How dare you judge how others like to play the game, and dismiss their
> >play style as somehow deserving to have their character deleted by a
> >griefer?
>
> I didn't talk about deserving, but about "take the risk or leave it",
> and questioned "hard-won" by the things I've seen going on, nothing
> more.
Just because something is easy for you, don't judge others for doing the
same. Everyone does not have the same level of knowledge and skill.
> >Dismissing others or diminishing them is a standard practice to make
> >oppressing them palatable. It's this exact tactic that has been used to
> >justify bigotry throughout history.
>
> Being German I really don't need lessons in (newer) history, and
> having lost half of my family in WW2 because of some religious
> matters..., I'm definitely the wrong person to listen to precocious
> theorems like these, sorry.
Sorry, but you need to hear it for a few more generations. Lest history
repeat itself. Better to repeat it once too often, than once too few.
> And exactly therefore I don't want to see denunciation of "bad guys"
> who, oh my Goth, legitly kill other players..., that's all. So cool
> down, it's just a game.
Sorry, but that's more bullshit. It's a game, and in game terms I'm reviling
the miscreants. Unlike some other folks I'm not saying that PKs are
criminals or child molesters. Nor should they be tortured or killed. But
they are indeed scum, contemptible individuals without a shred of honor. By
your own logic, Blizzard intended PKs to be in the game. But they also
intended PKs to be there for the folks who want to role play the evil
character. Well if they're playing the evil character they must accept all
that that entails. Including insults from the good characters.
> On the other hand I don't have a problem with announcing accounts of
> players who very evidently don't obey the rules, like NTPK-users.
> Have a look at <gpa2j0p59mhsqveqj...@4ax.com> for
> instance. I'm not glad about being one of the victims of the top
> PK'er of bmpk.net, but what can I do? Sit and whine about these kids,
> or start from scratch and... watch over my shoulder? ;-)
Hey, you can do whatever you want. But if you come around me spouting the
'honorable' PK bullshit I'm going to tell you what I think, and that's not
too pleasant for the PKs.
> >> I didn't question really team-oriented players. I only wanted to
> >> point out that HC made me learn to trust nobody I don't know, and
> >> that _denunciation_ (except for hackers) is not the way to resolve
> >> such a problem, you see?
> >
> >I see that you are a self righteous person
>
> Who is the self righteous one?
> The one who is blamed to be, or the one who blames?
>
> >that tries to rationalize boorish behavior.
>
> I'm trying to understand, what PK'ers lead to their motivation and
> don't prejudice them because of any lost chars or my _impression_
> about their motivations.
Please address the difference I have raised about the stark difference
between SC and HC PKs. I think that fact alone speaks volumes about the
motivations of PKs.
> >This exact behavior is what makes public B-net games in general so
> >vulgar and hostile. It would be SO much better if the friendly and
> >cooperative player were empowered, rather than the griefers and their
> >apologists.
>
> |>It's this exact tactic that has been used to justify bigotry
> |>throughout history.
> (your own words from above)
>
> This promoting of "good" and abolishing of "bad" ends in selection.
> Do you need a lesson in history yourself?
You missed the point completely. Blizzard empowered the griefer PK. They can
enter any PvM game and turn it into a PvP game. This fact has led to a
perverted society on B-net where hostility and paranoia reign supreme. If
instead the friendly, respectful and cooperative players were empowered the
Realms could be a MUCH better place.
Regards-
Mark
Bongo-Fury
Babe Bridou
> Nostromo <nost...@spamfree.net.au> wrote:
>
> [nothing serious]
>
> Be assured that I don't wear feathers, neither I'm your
> friend, mate or anything else.
>
> But Instead of that I welcome you to my killfile, loudmouth.
>
>
> J:
> NP: -
*slaps his forehead*
Joerg, that's... pathetic.
You're inviting me to believe you're stupid and short-tempered enough to
add someone as enthusiastic as Nostromo in your kill-file?? ON THE PK
THING ???!!!
*slaps his forehead again*
I though better of you, Joerg. Something like, letting this discussion
die in disagreement instead of killfiling your opponent.
Wim van Unen
Mark you are right, my English is not so good but i like what you wright
about the pk'ers.
I lost more than 20 characters in HC and never against a little pk'er.
Mostly the pk'ers were two till three times stronger as my characters, and
they used hacks so i could not escape. I have seen a lvl 80 barbarian that
killed a lvl 20 character. ( what a HERO that was)
Willem
Nostromo
+0200, Anno Domini:
Well, I had let it die, but it's good to see it has crawled away with tail
between legs also. >;-)
Nostromo
Anno Domini:
<snipped excellent retort from Mark who actually knows what he's talking
about & has had more than 2 weeks of
*stereotypical*-arrogant-German-I-know-everything-&-I'm-better-than-you-bullshit
experience in HC on BNet>
>You missed the point completely. Blizzard empowered the griefer PK. They can
>enter any PvM game and turn it into a PvP game. This fact has led to a
>perverted society on B-net where hostility and paranoia reign supreme. If
>instead the friendly, respectful and cooperative players were empowered the
>Realms could be a MUCH better place.
>
>Regards-
>Mark
>
>Bongo-Fury
>
He's *definitely* a BMPK sympathiser (if not a member) Mark - don't waste
any more breath mate
chainbreaker
> Nostromo <nost...@spamfree.net.au> wrote:
>
> [nothing serious]
>
> Be assured that I don't wear feathers, neither I'm your
> friend, mate or anything else.
>
> But Instead of that I welcome you to my killfile, loudmouth.
>
>
> J:
> NP: -
Maybe you need to start all over again . . .
--
chainbreaker
If you need to email, then chainbreaker (naturally) at comcast dot
net--that's "net" not "com"--should do it.
Mark
"Nostromo" <nost...@spamfree.net.au> wrote in message
news:qhggj05ifuvodf5lr...@4ax.com...
>
> He's *definitely* a BMPK sympathiser (if not a member) Mark - don't waste
> any more breath mate
I disagree completely. I've been arguing the PK issue in D2/LoD for over 4
years, since Max Shaeffer addressed the subject in AGD before the game was
released. And my opinion has migrated a bit through the years. When I was
playing with some of the notorious PKs I had a respect for their chosen play
style. Very similar to what Joerg is saying now. But the more I thought
about it and the more I discussed it my opinion hardened against them. The
key point for me was when someone asked the PKs if they PK their friends.
Because if PKing was indeed a part of the game, and there really was nothing
wrong with it, they shouldn't have any problem deleting their friends
characters. But invariably PKs do not kill their friends, so this is tacit
admission that what they are doing is wrong. Joerg has only been playing HC
for a short time, his opinion may change with more experience with the
reality of PKing, rather than just its theoretical application.
Regards-
Mark
Bongo-Fury
Ian Oversby
> Then we are also back to that you don't meet many, and most of the time
> you will know when you meet them.
>
> So the problem isn't really that big :)
Okay, we agree about that :) I'd prefer they weren't there at all though :-/
> Sonni
> Btw. i'm i going to meet you in berlin in 2 weeks or so ?
*cries* ... It is looking very unlikely for the following three reasons:
(1) I haven't booked early enough to get cheap tickets.
(2) The wife said something along the lines of...
"But we've already been to Germany". *sigh* 140
trips remaining and then we're out of countries.
(3) *censored work-related reason*
;-(
Ian
chainbreaker
>> Maybe not a 20, but I know PKs who have killed 70's with their 30's.
>
> I doubt this to be the rule.
In my noob HC days, I lost two characters to PK'ers about half their level,
so this probably happens a lot more than you think.
And Joerg, when you throw down the gauntlet like you did when you said, "I'm
here to get and share knowledge about a computer game, not for
making friends.", my initial impulse was "who the hell is this?", and to
ignore you completely.
A statement like that is almost assured to get you neither knowledge nor
friends. We aren't obliged to share what we know with anybody, particularly
somebody displaying an attitude like that.
Now maybe you didn't realize that's what you were doing, and maybe that's
not how you intended it to be, but I'm sure several took it as a virtual
nose-thumbing, particularly since most regular posters here play HC almost
exclusively and look on PK'ers of any stripe as lower than god's lowest
creatures. And a nose-thumbing like that is practically guaranteed to get a
response like you got from a couple of our more "high strung", yet beloved
members. :-)
There's been nothing new added to the PK'er discussion here--this subject
has been debated here ad nauseum for years--and you should be grateful to
Mark and even Nostromo, for granting you as much "ink" as they did. They at
least thought enough to respond, whereas I'm sure a lot of others considered
you not to be worth wasting time on, as I initially did.
That said, we do welcome dissenting opinion--god knows there have been some
major knock-down drag-outs here over the years. By and large though, the
disagreements have been presented with an air of respect toward the other
person's viewpoint and most importantly, the other person.
Maybe you want to be a "rogue" voice, and that's OK, but if so you'll
eventually be talking to yourself. I don't really think that's the case
however, and is why I said earlier that you might want to start all over
again. :-)
SunBae
agree. You have your belief, and others have theirs.
*nothing to see here people, please move on*
"Joerg Frey" <z...@gmx.net> wrote in message
news:pdigj0562npanlivf...@4ax.com...
> Babe Bridou <babeb...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> [snip]
>>You're inviting me to believe you're stupid and short-tempered enough to
>>add someone as enthusiastic as Nostromo in your kill-file?? ON THE PK
>>THING ???!!!
>
> No, it's because of the fact I've tried several times to explain that
> I've discussed _theory_ ok PK'ing and not what goes on on the realms
> aka the common practice. And everything I get from him are stupid
> offences.
> He very often spits stuff like "oh, you will be flamed for this and
> that", and who's finally the one who _does_ the flames? Nobody else
> than himself. Blablah about "good" and "bad", that's not
> enthusiastic, _that_'s pathetic.
> In addition to that due to his name dropping ("he's probably some
> member of bmpk, don't waste any breath") I felt some sort of..., ha,
> PK'ed, too. And he wants PK's to banned? Ok, now he got it.
>
>
>>*slaps his forehead again*
>>
>>I though better of you, Joerg. Something like, letting this discussion
>>die in disagreement instead of killfiling your opponent.
>
> I could have done so, very often did during my 8 years in usenet. But
> sometimes it's enough, and I lose my patience, even if someone comes
> up with flames about things I've told about myself (here: "2 weeks on
> HC" results in a forward pass for a sound bite), no thanks, I've
> already been served.
>
> (Killfiles aren't forever, and I'm not pathetic neither am I
> resentful, but I don't want to read his posts the next 14 days.)
>
>
> J:
> NP: -
> --
> http://here.is/ripley/ *4therecords.HCEurope
Babe Bridou
> Who cares....it's just a game...........debates don't require that people
> agree. You have your belief, and others have theirs.
> *nothing to see here people, please move on*
>
I hate those "it's just a game" arguments, because <snip> :)
short
"Mark" <mt...@earthlinkSPAM.net> wrote in message
news:1FJZc.1141$N4....@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>
> "Gabriele Neukam" <Gabriele.Spam...@t-online.de> wrote in
message
> news:ch7jnh$e4f$04$4...@news.t-online.com...
> > On that special day, Babe Bridou, (babeb...@hotmail.com) said...
> >
> > > But I accept the concept of hunting someone in particular, because,
> > > well, he has acquired enough power and deserves to be hunted.
> >
> > loves to set unwitting newbies into the wilderness and hunt them?
>
> Bzzzt
> What is the Isle of Dr. Moreau.
>
> I'll take useless trivia for 1000, Alex.
>
> Regards-
> Mark
>
> Bongo-Fury
>
>
There have been several offshoots as well.
Surviving the Game, I think. Ice-T was in it, anyway.
Hard Target? Van Dammmm movie, that might have been the name.
short
SunBae
perplexed...............isn't it??*
;-)
"Babe Bridou" <babeb...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:chac3t$evb$1...@news-reader5.wanadoo.fr...
Nostromo
Domini:
>Babe Bridou <babeb...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>[snip]
>>You're inviting me to believe you're stupid and short-tempered enough to
>>add someone as enthusiastic as Nostromo in your kill-file?? ON THE PK
>>THING ???!!!
>
>No, it's because of the fact I've tried several times to explain that
>I've discussed _theory_ ok PK'ing and not what goes on on the realms
>aka the common practice. And everything I get from him are stupid
>offences.
>He very often spits stuff like "oh, you will be flamed for this and
>that", and who's finally the one who _does_ the flames? Nobody else
>than himself. Blablah about "good" and "bad", that's not
>enthusiastic, _that_'s pathetic.
>In addition to that due to his name dropping ("he's probably some
>member of bmpk, don't waste any breath") I felt some sort of..., ha,
>PK'ed, too. And he wants PK's to banned? Ok, now he got it.
>
>
>>*slaps his forehead again*
>>
>>I though better of you, Joerg. Something like, letting this discussion
>>die in disagreement instead of killfiling your opponent.
>
>I could have done so, very often did during my 8 years in usenet. But
>sometimes it's enough, and I lose my patience, even if someone comes
>up with flames about things I've told about myself (here: "2 weeks on
>HC" results in a forward pass for a sound bite), no thanks, I've
>already been served.
>
>(Killfiles aren't forever, and I'm not pathetic neither am I
>resentful, but I don't want to read his posts the next 14 days.)
Let's make it 90 days, doh-boy! >;-p
Nostromo
Anno Domini:
Agreed 100%. But as to your first line 'I disagree completely', I'm not sure
what it is you're disagreeing *with* Mark??? My 1-liner was an obvious
re-hash of the first 1-liner that got Mr BMPK-lover up in arms, lol! Foghorn
Leghorn mate! Don't become a German & lose your sense of humour >;-) *duck
from all the krauts out there*
Mark
>
> Agreed 100%. But as to your first line 'I disagree completely', I'm not
sure
> what it is you're disagreeing *with* Mark???
I completely disagree that Joerg is a BM sympathiser. BM is a hacker PK
clan, Joerg has specifically said that he condemns people who hack to PK. He
simply thinks that legit PKing is honorable. There's a huge difference, and
IMO your accusation that he is a BM sympathiser is dead wrong.
Regards-
Mark
Bongo-Fury
Nostromo
Anno Domini:
They were always meant to be a dig/gibe *sigh*...of course I don't *really*
think he's a BMPK member (though it's a remote possibility, as it is for me
to be one ;-) - looks like someone forgot their Sense-o-Humour pills this
week ;-p
>Regards-
>Mark
>
>Bongo-Fury