D3 - Multiple Accounts?

[Bongo Fury]

Can I have multiple accounts with a single D3 CD key?

I quit D3 about a month or so ago, I just got sick to death of the
reliance on items and the necessity to constantly upgrade my gear.
Every couple level advance meant I had to completely redo my items,
and between shuffling items on/off mules and working the AH, I found I
was spending as much time doing that as actually playing the game.
Which is not my idea of fun. You may remember from D2 that I was never
an item guy, I prided myself on being able to play with pedestrian
gear, or even with no gear, witness my totally naked Guardian. But D3
is the antithesis of my play style. So I left it behind. Sadly.

I went on to play another game that I was waiting on until I got my
new computer, World of Tanks. And I absolutely love it. I've always
been a huge board game player and I played microarmor for years. WW II
is probably my favorite genre, so WoT is tailor made for me. It has a
pretty steep learning curve, but with my background in wargaming I
have a big head start on the technical aspects of fighting a tank.
It's just the button pushing that I am still need to get better at. I
HIGHLY recommend the game to everyone.

I'm going to an event this weekend that 'requires' me to start
drinking at 6 am, and by the time I get home in the early afternoon I
won't be in any shape to do housework or other chores, so I figured
that I would play games the rest of the day. I don't want to screw up
my WoT account, and playing HC Diablo is never a good idea when
drinking. So I thought that I would play some regular D3 with a fresh
toon. Unfortunately my D3 account is filled with playing characters
and mules, and I hate to completely give up on D3, I just have too
many fond memories playing D1 and D2 to just delete my D3 stuff.

So, can I make a new account on D3 with the same CD key as my existing
account?

Best wishes to all my old friends from the Diablo worlds, it was a
time that I will always look back at with fondness.

Regards-
Mark

Bongo Fury

[ImperiusDamian]

I don't believe you can add a second account to your existing CD key,
but there is the Starter Edition, you can play up to level 13 with that
on a new account.

Alternatively there's always Path of Exile or some other free-to-play
one! :)

[Bongo Fury]

On Mar 22, 12:15 am, ImperiusDamian <damianblack.w...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>
> I don't believe you can add a second account to your existing CD key,
> but there is the Starter Edition, you can play up to level 13 with that
> on a new account.
>
> Alternatively there's always Path of Exile or some other free-to-play

> one! :)- Hide quoted text -
>

Bum hair, er, I mean bummer.

I'd rather not worry about learning/figuring out a new game. I think I
still have some characters on Dead Frontier, maybe I'll spend the day
blowing zombies away. Nothing like going at them with a chainsaw and a
grenade launcher, one of my favorite setups.

Regards-
Mark

Bongo Fury

[~misfit~]

Somewhere on teh intarwebs Bongo Fury wrote:
> On Mar 22, 12:15 am, ImperiusDamian <damianblack.w...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> I don't believe you can add a second account to your existing CD key,
>> but there is the Starter Edition, you can play up to level 13 with
>> that on a new account.
>>
>> Alternatively there's always Path of Exile or some other free-to-play
>> one! :)
>

> Bum hair, er, I mean bummer.
>
> I'd rather not worry about learning/figuring out a new game. I think I
> still have some characters on Dead Frontier, maybe I'll spend the day
> blowing zombies away. Nothing like going at them with a chainsaw and a
> grenade launcher, one of my favorite setups.

Hi Mark, great to see you - and a post / thread here!

Agreed, learning a new game when you're part-pickled isn't a great idea.
Best to play something similar to what you've settled on. :)

As Imp said, you're limited to 8 toons per D3 account - period. You can
delete one and then make another if you're able to prune and relocate muled
items though. I agree with you - that D3 is the antithesis of the 'play as
you go' or ironman type of playing that a lot of Diablo gamers enjoyed over
the previous decade. Sure, you could chose to play D2 using uber items - and
I did for a while. However you could also play quite well with just what
dropped - ironman style, or with maybe a *little* boss farming as I often
did when I payed on ladder.

That's something that's nigh on impossible with D3 if you want to get to the
end of the game. You *have* to use the AH - of farm more than actually play.
At the risk of attracting the ire of an old friend I think that part of the
game (amongst others) was Blizzard adapting what they developed in WoW and
applying it to the Diablo franchise. Understandable as WoW was probably the
first 'global game' in that most everyone knew of it and it even featured on
TV shows etc. Still, I think it ruined the Diablo franchise for me to a
large extent.

(Not that I've given up on D3, although I haven't actually played for the
last three weeks plus. I decided instead to have a break from playing until
I could gear up my characters who are lvl 60 but relatively stuck. I can't
buy game-gold or use the RMAH here in NZ even if I had the money so instead
I worked out what items could be bought from vendors and reliably sell at
the AH.

The 'market research' part took the best of a week to do (and it's dynamic
so needs updating weekly at least) but, once sorted I am able to slowly
acumulate gold. I do so through lots of smallish sales (40K through to 100K
list price, bid and buyout the same), meaning I have to check the AH and
re-list maybe 8 times a day - and 'shop' for a couple of hours a week.
However, as a result I'm sitting on 89M gold right now (having spent ~30M
since starting this 'experiment') and am racking up about 2M a day, give or
take. I decided a while back to stop at 100M and start playing again, with
better gear for my weaker toons. I've changed the deadline to Easter
recently, I should be over my mark by then.

If I were in the US, or even Aus I could have spent ~US$65 (last time I
checked the gold price) and got the 100M in minutes. However, I have more
time than money and, as an invalid am sitting at my computer on-and-off for
a large part of the day anyway... [must check auctions, brb...] Ok, sold
five items in the last hour and made 200K. Just cracked 90M total so I
should have 100M by Easter easilly.

In the meantime I've been playing the game Imp recommended to you - Path of
Exiles. Honestly, so far I prefer it to D3 by quite a bit. It's free to play
(but you can support the [NZ] developers by 'microtransactions' (MTs), buy
in-game visual effects (transferable from item to item as you upgrade) or
new stash pages (~$1.50 each) or new character slots (not sure on the number
that are free, I only have two right now). When I see other players with
bought visual effects I think 'good on you' as it means they're supporting
the developers.

It's a hefty download at around 5GB (maybe, they patch pretty much daily,
giving warning and the servers are only ever down (IME) for a max of 5
minutes). They have regular 3 hour races on a seperate realm, either solo or
team with prizes of game points that can be used for MTs. I've never entered
one, I'm still familiarising myself with the game. I only started playing
recently despite having signed up nearly two years ago. I have a new, larger
data cap and, coupled with frustration with D3, co-inciding with the game
going open beta prompted me to have a go.

I actually had an invite to play beta over a year ago - and another since.
They were randomly given to people who'd signed up on the wating list and,
of course, the longer you'd been on it the better your chances. Now you
don't need an invite - it's open. Just download - sign up and validate
(click a link) - in either order and you're good to go

I would say that the game is equal parts derivation and innovation - nay,
40/60. The dervation is pretty much from Diablo, pre-D3 and the innovation
is, IMO, excellent. I won't describe it in too much detail - although I wish
someone would - I couldn't find a good description of the game pre-playing
it via Google and the home-page is, by neccesity, extensive and sectioned so
getting a quick accurate picture was, for me, impossible. A review would be
great but it seems that only games made by the corpoate giants get
reviewed - and, being in beta it does change bit-by-bit.

Suffice to say that character development is fairly complex - it wouldn't be
hard to have a unique character, only influenced by the choices you made as
you leveled. That combined with the items you find (or make) means your toon
might be like no other. I think that you'd like it - but not for the day in
question, of course. :)

I have two characters, a level 41 'Ranger', just started Act 1 'Cruel'
difficulty (NM) and a lvl 6 Shadow. I only started the Shadow now as I'd
been collecting too much gear - I always was a hoarder. Then I decided the
game developers should be rewarded so paid some $ for MTs and bought three
more tabs on my (initially four-tab) stash. Oh, a peeve, while they *are*
microtransactions in a way - you actually have to buy points first and then
spend them. I understand why it's done, credit card / Paypal fees would be a
killer for genuine MTs - but it irks me. That and I couldn't tell if it was
US$ or NZ$ on the website until *after* I paid. (It's US$.)

Oh, a little side-note.... No disrespect to you, you should know that by
now - but the whole concept of 'war games' - especially based on wars that
'featured' such atrocities as The Holocaust... Well, suffice to say that I
was a little sick in my mouth reading that. I can understand being
interested in the history but not the 'replaying' of it, no mater how
sanitised. <shrug> Then again I dare say that I'm in a very small minority,
this world and it's values keeps a'changing - more often for the worse than
the better IMO. :-/

Shit, that was a long post! I have things to do my friend - be well!
--
/Shaun.

"Humans will have advanced a long, long, way when religious belief has a
cozy little classification in the DSM."
David Melville (in r.a.s.f1)

[Bongo Fury]

On Mar 22, 10:09 pm, "~misfit~" <shaun.at.pukek...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Oh, a little side-note.... No disrespect to you, you should know that by
> now - but the whole concept of 'war games' - especially based on wars that
> 'featured' such atrocities as The Holocaust... Well, suffice to say that I
> was a little sick in my mouth reading that. I can understand being
> interested in the history but not the 'replaying' of it, no mater how
> sanitised. <shrug> Then again I dare say that I'm in a very small minority,
> this world and it's values keeps a'changing - more often for the worse than
> the better IMO. :-/

Oh thank god that Shaun, the moral guardian of the Internet has come
along to chastize me on my wicked and corrupt pleasures. But I am
confused, why have you only damned me as a Holocaust supporter, what
about the horrible Japanese medical experiments that occurred in WW
II, surely I can be blased for those too? And the rape of Nanking, how
could I possibly be excused for taking pleasure in that incident?
Obviously, since I am playing World of Tanks that means I am driving
my tanks over the bodies of Chinese children in Nanking and getting a
raging erection. And don't forget, I am an American, so obviously it
is my fault that the US dropped nuclear bombs on Hiroshima and
Nagasaki? Fighting tanks of the same name and the same visual
appearance as those used in WW II obviously means I am an evil human
being.

Now that I think about it, I also enjoy playing American Civil War
games. My friends and I use thousands of little lead soldiers to fight
Civil War battles. We have infantry, cavalry, cannons, a friend even
made an observation balloon using an old toilet tank float (and it
looks REALLY good), and we maneuver them around our 'battlefield' in
various formations; column, line, skirmish, etc. This obviuosly means
that I am a supporter of slavery, and that I consequently think that
black people are inferrior to us white people.

I also like to play games that feature ancient ships, and a lot of
those ships used slaves to man the oars. So again, the logical
conclusion is that I support slavery and the oppression of whole races
of peoples.

And I do Napoleonics, so yeah, damn me for all the crimes of that era
too.

I also played a huge miniature battle at Gencon once, where we
recreated the siege of Minas Tirith from LotR. Bad Mark, supporting
the slaughter of all those women and children by the Orcs. Ah, Star
Wars Galaxy too, the 'Empire' oppressed lots of people in that world,
my fault again.

<brief interlude>

OK, I hope that was over the top enough and absurd enough to highligh
just how ridiculous your comments were. And just like old times, I see
that you are still reverting to using Strawman Arguments.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man
Putting words into my mouth that I never said, and then damning me on
the basis of those comments. A completlely unjustified and illogical
form of debate, usually reserved for weak and desperate individuals. I
honestly thought that you were above such cheap techniques, but old
habits die hard I suppose. I guess you are desperate enough to use the
weakest tactics possible to discredit me. Which is sad, because I
thought that we were freinds, but I guess I was wrong. Oh well, I
guess I should expect a drug addled junkie to ignore old friendships.
And maybe I am just a Pollyanna to remember alt.games.diablo in a
favorable light. How foolish of me.

Fuck you Shaun.

And for the last time.

Regards-
Mark
Bongo Fury

[~misfit~]

Somewhere on teh intarwebs Bongo Fury wrote:

> On Mar 22, 10:09 pm, "~misfit~" <shaun.at.pukek...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Oh, a little side-note.... No disrespect to you, you should know

>> that by now.......
[snip]

> Which is sad, because I
> thought that we were freinds, but I guess I was wrong. Oh well, I
> guess I should expect a drug addled junkie to ignore old friendships.
> And maybe I am just a Pollyanna to remember alt.games.diablo in a
> favorable light. How foolish of me.
>
> Fuck you Shaun.

O M G!

I unreservedly apologise for including the final paragraph in my post. I've
been exchanging emails with a friend in NYC about the proposed building of a
mosque near 'ground zero' and, thinking back the the crusades, have been in
a frame of mind where I'm sick of humanity's treatment of humanity. It's not
just recent, but more raw because of recent discussions.

I too thought that we were friends - I pondered if I should add that to my
post or just STFU about how I felt thinking about the concept. I thought
that, because we had such a long history, you would see my sentiment for
what it was supposed to be; i.e. NOT an attack at you - instead a general
feeling of unease.... with society.....

I made a mistake, I'm so very sorry. :(

[freemont]

On Sat, 23 Mar 2013 13:59:24 -0700, Bongo Fury wrote:

> On Mar 22, 10:09 pm, "~misfit~" <shaun.at.pukek...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Oh, a little side-note.... No disrespect to you, you should know that
>> by now

[shnip]

> Oh thank god that Shaun, the moral guardian of the Internet has come
> along to chastize me on my wicked and corrupt pleasures.

[shnippity shnip]

> OK, I hope that was over the top enough and absurd enough to highligh
> just how ridiculous your comments were.

[sheenip]
> Fuck you Shaun.

Hooooolllly fucking dogshit! WOW!

Mark, buddy. Take it easy. :-)

I think you busted your cap there. I absolutely did NOT take what ~misfit~
said as a personal attack. And I'm even SOBER right now. (But not for
long.)

Please rethink this. :-)
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[ImperiusDamian]

On 03/23/2013 05:49 PM, ~misfit~ wrote:
>
> O M G!
>
> I unreservedly apologise for including the final paragraph in my post. I've
> been exchanging emails with a friend in NYC about the proposed building of a
> mosque near 'ground zero' and, thinking back the the crusades, have been in
> a frame of mind where I'm sick of humanity's treatment of humanity. It's not
> just recent, but more raw because of recent discussions.
>

As an aside, I've read that it's not a mosque, it's a community centre.
But you're right, human beings really do treat each other like shit. :(

[ImperiusDamian]

On 03/22/2013 10:09 PM, ~misfit~ wrote:
> Somewhere on teh intarwebs Bongo Fury wrote:
>> On Mar 22, 12:15 am, ImperiusDamian <damianblack.w...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I don't believe you can add a second account to your existing CD key,
>>> but there is the Starter Edition, you can play up to level 13 with
>>> that on a new account.
>>>
>>> Alternatively there's always Path of Exile or some other free-to-play
>>> one! :)
>>
>> Bum hair, er, I mean bummer.
>>
>> I'd rather not worry about learning/figuring out a new game. I think I
>> still have some characters on Dead Frontier, maybe I'll spend the day
>> blowing zombies away. Nothing like going at them with a chainsaw and a
>> grenade launcher, one of my favorite setups.
>
> Hi Mark, great to see you - and a post / thread here!
>
> Agreed, learning a new game when you're part-pickled isn't a great idea.
> Best to play something similar to what you've settled on. :)
>
> As Imp said, you're limited to 8 toons per D3 account - period.

Imp? I'm Tyrion Lannister now? ;)

>
> Oh, a little side-note.... No disrespect to you, you should know that by
> now - but the whole concept of 'war games' - especially based on wars that
> 'featured' such atrocities as The Holocaust... Well, suffice to say that I
> was a little sick in my mouth reading that. I can understand being
> interested in the history but not the 'replaying' of it, no mater how
> sanitised. <shrug> Then again I dare say that I'm in a very small minority,
> this world and it's values keeps a'changing - more often for the worse than
> the better IMO. :-/
>

Historical re-enanctment has actually often intrigued me - but not
recent history, I must say. Romans and so forth, sure: I imagine it'd
give people the opportunity to, as they say, walk a mile in the
legionary's boots. WWII is definitely too recent for my tastes though
being more of an ancient history aficionado!

[~misfit~]

Somewhere on teh intarwebs ImperiusDamian wrote:
> On 03/22/2013 10:09 PM, ~misfit~ wrote:
>> Somewhere on teh intarwebs Bongo Fury wrote:
>>> On Mar 22, 12:15 am, ImperiusDamian <damianblack.w...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I don't believe you can add a second account to your existing CD
>>>> key, but there is the Starter Edition, you can play up to level 13
>>>> with that on a new account.
>>>>
>>>> Alternatively there's always Path of Exile or some other
>>>> free-to-play one! :)
>>>
>>> Bum hair, er, I mean bummer.
>>>
>>> I'd rather not worry about learning/figuring out a new game. I
>>> think I still have some characters on Dead Frontier, maybe I'll
>>> spend the day blowing zombies away. Nothing like going at them with
>>> a chainsaw and a grenade launcher, one of my favorite setups.
>>
>> Hi Mark, great to see you - and a post / thread here!
>>
>> Agreed, learning a new game when you're part-pickled isn't a great
>> idea. Best to play something similar to what you've settled on. :)
>>
>> As Imp said, you're limited to 8 toons per D3 account - period.
>
> Imp? I'm Tyrion Lannister now? ;)

LOL! You wish. ;-) Sorry if the contraction offends, you've changed your
posting nick at least three times (I believe?) in the last decade and that
one's a biy long to write. <g>

>> Oh, a little side-note.... No disrespect to you, you should know
>> that by now - but the whole concept of 'war games' - especially
>> based on wars that 'featured' such atrocities as The Holocaust...
>> Well, suffice to say that I was a little sick in my mouth reading
>> that. I can understand being interested in the history but not the
>> 'replaying' of it, no mater how sanitised. <shrug> Then again I dare
>> say that I'm in a very small minority, this world and it's values
>> keeps a'changing - more often for the worse than the better IMO. :-/
>
> Historical re-enanctment has actually often intrigued me - but not
> recent history, I must say. Romans and so forth, sure: I imagine it'd
> give people the opportunity to, as they say, walk a mile in the
> legionary's boots. WWII is definitely too recent for my tastes though
> being more of an ancient history aficionado!

Honestly, I'm not speaking another word on the subject other than to say
that, all through me writing that long post for Mark's edification it was
stuck in my mind, I couldn't shake it. I *really* wish that I'd left it and
just thought about it later though. I obviously upset Mark honestly without
meaning to and his reply has seriously fucked my day.

Please excuse me while I address the group.

FEI: If I'm going to insult you or troll you you'll know it (although I gave
up doing much of that may years ago). I'm obvious like that. What I *won't*
do is sit huched over my keyboard writing a long post (over an
hour-and-a-half, taking breaks) about something else first. It hurts far too
much to type that much just to piss you off.

Thanks.

[ImperiusDamian]

On 2013-03-24 00:26, ~misfit~ wrote:

> Somewhere on teh intarwebs ImperiusDamian wrote:
>>>
>>> As Imp said, you're limited to 8 toons per D3 account - period.
>>
>> Imp? I'm Tyrion Lannister now? ;)
>
>
> LOL! You wish. ;-) Sorry if the contraction offends, you've changed your
> posting nick at least three times (I believe?) in the last decade and that
> one's a biy long to write. <g>
>

Just once actually, LOL! I was 'EvilBill' from 1998 up until 2009. ;)
'Imp' is fine though, I may not be as SHORT as Tyrion but I do have his
smarts. *grin*

[~misfit~]

Somewhere on teh intarwebs ImperiusDamian wrote:

Yeah, don't they? As I get older I get more disillusioned with this world we
live in. Perhaps it would be different if I'd had a family or something but,
as I sit at home, alone and in pain most all day every day, reading teh webs
and watching a minimum of news I get more and more disheartened.

My information on the proposed building from a New Yorker is that it's (and
I quote)

++ a "community cultural center, open to all faiths" (With a 2,000 person
capacity Mosque Occupying the entire ground and 2nd floors). ++

He didn't write that. he was quoting someone else. This other person went on
to write:

++ Traditionally, in Islamic culture, Mosques are built directly ON or as
close as possible to a site of conquest over another (people, race,
religion, belief-set, society-take your pick) group by triumphant Muslims. A
good example of this is the Dome Of The Rock, one of the holiest sites in
Islam. Where is it built? On the ruins of the 2nd temple of the Israelites
(aka Jews) in what is still Jerusalem. ++

I'm done with that discussion and it doesn't really belong here anyway but
it was fresh in my mind when I read here, and wrote my post. On most days I
hobble out to my desk, take some painkillers with the water I left there the
night before and wait the hour or so it takes until I can stand up long
enough to make a coffee without too much pain. Typically I read any emails,
then 'my newsgroups' in that time.

Hey, but it's not *all* bad - some days I can make a coffee after only ~20
minutes or so! <g>

Cheers,

[~misfit~]

Somewhere on teh intarwebs ImperiusDamian wrote:
> On 2013-03-24 00:26, ~misfit~ wrote:
>> Somewhere on teh intarwebs ImperiusDamian wrote:
>>>>
>>>> As Imp said, you're limited to 8 toons per D3 account - period.
>>>
>>> Imp? I'm Tyrion Lannister now? ;)
>>
>> LOL! You wish. ;-) Sorry if the contraction offends, you've changed
>> your posting nick at least three times (I believe?) in the last
>> decade and that one's a biy long to write. <g>
>
> Just once actually, LOL! I was 'EvilBill' from 1998 up until 2009. ;)

Just one change? My bad, I thought that, for a brief time between "EvilBill"
and "ImperiusDamian" you were somebody else.

> 'Imp' is fine though,

Sweet. Beats typing ImperiusDamian whenever I want to refer to you. ;)

> I may not be as SHORT as Tyrion but I do have
> his smarts. *grin*

He sure is a smart cookie. In fact he's one of my favourite characters in
the series - him and Jon Snow.

Cheers,

[Aulë]

On 3/23/2013 5:49 PM, ~misfit~ wrote:

>On 3/23/2013 4:59 PM, Bongo Fury wrote:
>> On Mar 22, 10:09 pm, "~misfit~" <shaun.at.pukek...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Oh, a little side-note.... No disrespect to you, you should know that by
>>> now - but the whole concept of 'war games' - especially based on wars that
>>> 'featured' such atrocities as The Holocaust... Well, suffice to say that I
>>> was a little sick in my mouth reading that. I can understand being
>>> interested in the history but not the 'replaying' of it, no mater how
>>> sanitised. <shrug> Then again I dare say that I'm in a very small minority,
>>> this world and it's values keeps a'changing - more often for the worse than
>>> the better IMO. :-/
>>

[reconstruction of snipped text]

> O M G!

>
> I unreservedly apologise for including the final paragraph in my post. I've
> been exchanging emails with a friend in NYC about the proposed building of a
> mosque near 'ground zero' and, thinking back the the crusades, have been in
> a frame of mind where I'm sick of humanity's treatment of humanity. It's not
> just recent, but more raw because of recent discussions.
>

> I too thought that we were friends - I pondered if I should add that to my
> post or just STFU about how I felt thinking about the concept. I thought
> that, because we had such a long history, you would see my sentiment for
> what it was supposed to be; i.e. NOT an attack at you - instead a general
> feeling of unease.... with society.....
>
> I made a mistake, I'm so very sorry. :(

I too have weighed whether I should post or just STFU, I have let a
thoughts languish in Drafts, and I have finally decided to raise my hand
in this, in my dear newsgroup of old, which seems rather decayed right
now. You have called me friend, too, Shaun, and this belief in the
relative accuracy of that is the only possible fuel that can start the
engine that drives this message. Please bear this deeply in mind as you
read on.

My thoughts are on Mark's side, because when I read your statement to
him, "I was a little sick in my mouth reading that," I was, well, a
little sick in my own mouth. How else can a person receive that
statement when the cited item was written by him, other than as a
scathing moral judgment? Honestly, I don't know how you could have
thought otherwise as you typed it, friend or no. You were right and
courageous to immediately offer an abject apology without reference to
further insults, and I grant your due commendation for that.

You only continued your error, though, in my opinion, by the
rationalization you sandwiched between your introductory and closing
apologies. To be blunt, it's self-serving and contradictory to your
intended abjection. If Mark were to read it (and I would be surprised
if he came back to do so), I think it would only cement his horrified
reaction even further. You seem to be saying to the chef that it wasn't
really *his* cooking that made you retch, but your thought of other
servings, elsewhere... in society... in general... was what did it. I
hope you can see how that might appear disingenuous, in that light.

I don't want to add any more, because I could produce a wall of text as
easily as you, and it's not necessary. I too have felt snubbed, and it
is for this I write, because I also favor fond memories and Pollyannish
ideas.

-
Brian

[Patrick Vervoorn]

In article <7e491832-a7ee-4230...@k8g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>,

You could consider creating an account on one of the other realms? For
instance, Europe? The characters on that will be totally unrelated to
your characters on the US account.

I played for a while with a starter edition key on the USA servers,
until I got a key for the European starter edition, and after that
acquired the full game.

Regards,

Patrick.

[~misfit~]

Hi Brian,

I thank you for your honest input - and appreciate it very much. Especially
the constructive criticism of my apology, which I'd honestly not realised
could be taken that way. Again, it was not my intent - merely an attempt to
explain my frame of mind and thought processes - and that I wasn't intending
to be malicious. In my haste to apologise I didn't analyse....

+1 for the Pollyannish-ness. Moreso as my real world circumstances have
deteriorated I've come to look upon this group as a haven - almost a home.
Witness my rather prolific posting and attempted CPR on the group of late.

I'll stop here in case I cram another foot in my mouth. It seems that I
excel in faux pas these days. I'll also stop replying to posts while I'm
still non compos mentis from slumber.... I've never been a 'morning person',
part of the reason I 'read' for the first part of the day.

Thanks again for your honesty.

[ImperiusDamian]

On 03/24/2013 05:58 PM, ~misfit~ wrote:
>
> +1 for the Pollyannish-ness. Moreso as my real world circumstances have
> deteriorated I've come to look upon this group as a haven - almost a home.
> Witness my rather prolific posting and attempted CPR on the group of late.
>

I certainly miss the days when I could load up the froup every day and
see 50+ new posts or even more! It's a shame and I don't think it's due
to a decline in Diablo but more a decline in Usenet or more
specifically, people who know how to access it. I imagine many long-time
former posters might well come back, if they knew about the
eternal-september server. Sadly most ISPs no longer offer Usenet access
which IMHO is a damn shame.

[ImperiusDamian]

On 03/24/2013 02:27 AM, ~misfit~ wrote:
> Somewhere on teh intarwebs ImperiusDamian wrote:
>> On 2013-03-24 00:26, ~misfit~ wrote:
>>> Somewhere on teh intarwebs ImperiusDamian wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> As Imp said, you're limited to 8 toons per D3 account - period.
>>>>
>>>> Imp? I'm Tyrion Lannister now? ;)
>>>
>>> LOL! You wish. ;-) Sorry if the contraction offends, you've changed
>>> your posting nick at least three times (I believe?) in the last
>>> decade and that one's a biy long to write. <g>
>>
>> Just once actually, LOL! I was 'EvilBill' from 1998 up until 2009. ;)
>
> Just one change? My bad, I thought that, for a brief time between "EvilBill"
> and "ImperiusDamian" you were somebody else.
>

Nope! But I did for a while post via Google Groups while I was
in-between news servers. Maybe that's where the confusion arose? :)

>> 'Imp' is fine though,
>
> Sweet. Beats typing ImperiusDamian whenever I want to refer to you. ;)
>

'Imp' or 'Damian' are both fine by me :)

>> I may not be as SHORT as Tyrion but I do have
>> his smarts. *grin*
>
> He sure is a smart cookie. In fact he's one of my favourite characters in
> the series - him and Jon Snow.
>

Yeah, same here. I've only read the first book but I've seen both
seasons of the TV series. So far I'm fond of Tyrion, Jon, Samwell and
Daenerys.

[ImperiusDamian]

On 03/24/2013 12:42 AM, ~misfit~ wrote:
> Somewhere on teh intarwebs ImperiusDamian wrote:
>>
>> As an aside, I've read that it's not a mosque, it's a community
>> centre. But you're right, human beings really do treat each other
>> like shit. :(
>
> Yeah, don't they? As I get older I get more disillusioned with this world we
> live in. Perhaps it would be different if I'd had a family or something but,
> as I sit at home, alone and in pain most all day every day, reading teh webs
> and watching a minimum of news I get more and more disheartened.
>

Yeah, me too, I see religious fanaticism on the rise in many religions
and it's very sad. I have my beliefs, I don't go around preaching them
to others and I certainly would never try to force people to live by the
tenets of my own personal devotion. IMHO people who do that are either
sad, delusional souls, or they have serious control issues.

> My information on the proposed building from a New Yorker is that it's (and
> I quote)
>
> ++ a "community cultural center, open to all faiths" (With a 2,000 person
> capacity Mosque Occupying the entire ground and 2nd floors). ++
>
> He didn't write that. he was quoting someone else. This other person went on
> to write:
>
> ++ Traditionally, in Islamic culture, Mosques are built directly ON or as
> close as possible to a site of conquest over another (people, race,
> religion, belief-set, society-take your pick) group by triumphant Muslims. A
> good example of this is the Dome Of The Rock, one of the holiest sites in
> Islam. Where is it built? On the ruins of the 2nd temple of the Israelites
> (aka Jews) in what is still Jerusalem. ++
>
> I'm done with that discussion and it doesn't really belong here anyway but
> it was fresh in my mind when I read here, and wrote my post.

*nods* Understandable!

As a quick aside I might note the Second Temple was destroyed by the
Romns in 70 AD some 552 years before Islam was even founded, but that's
neither here nor there really. ;)

> On most days I hobble out to my desk, take some painkillers with the water I left there the
> night before and wait the hour or so it takes until I can stand up long
> enough to make a coffee without too much pain. Typically I read any emails,
> then 'my newsgroups' in that time.
>

Ouch... man, that sucks. :( It's one thing being financially strapped
but strapped AND in pain too... I can well understand how the fellowship
here is so important!

> Hey, but it's not *all* bad - some days I can make a coffee after only ~20
> minutes or so! <g>
>

As long as you HAVE coffee, that's the important part, right? ;)

[~misfit~]

Somewhere on teh intarwebs ImperiusDamian wrote:
> On 03/24/2013 12:42 AM, ~misfit~ wrote:

[snip]

>> Hey, but it's not *all* bad - some days I can make a coffee after
>> only ~20 minutes or so! <g>
>
> As long as you HAVE coffee, that's the important part, right? ;)

Heh! Yep. It might only be the cheapest, store brand instant (and I stock up
when it's on special, never buy it at 'full price') but it's coffee! (At
least I think it is..... It says so on the label..... <g>.)

[~misfit~]

Somewhere on teh intarwebs ImperiusDamian wrote:
> On 03/24/2013 02:27 AM, ~misfit~ wrote:
>> Somewhere on teh intarwebs ImperiusDamian wrote:
>>> On 2013-03-24 00:26, ~misfit~ wrote:
>>>> Somewhere on teh intarwebs ImperiusDamian wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As Imp said, you're limited to 8 toons per D3 account - period.
>>>>>
>>>>> Imp? I'm Tyrion Lannister now? ;)
>>>>
>>>> LOL! You wish. ;-) Sorry if the contraction offends, you've
>>>> changed your posting nick at least three times (I believe?) in the
>>>> last decade and that one's a biy long to write. <g>
>>>
>>> Just once actually, LOL! I was 'EvilBill' from 1998 up until 2009.
>>> ;)
>>
>> Just one change? My bad, I thought that, for a brief time between
>> "EvilBill" and "ImperiusDamian" you were somebody else.
>
> Nope! But I did for a while post via Google Groups while I was
> in-between news servers. Maybe that's where the confusion arose? :)

Ahh, that is a possibility.

[snips] Cheers,

[Aulë]

So it's all good in the neighborhood. Now, we just gotta get Mark
(Bongo Fury - which I'd like to see, btw) back in here. Can someone
offer him a beer?

[Aulë]

No one has a high horse, except imaginary ones. In trying to do good,
we always, inevitably, invariably do bad, too. It's simple mathematics;
we know in our ephemerally brief spans of existence only a marginal,
finite portion of the interconnectedness of all things, so for every
action or choice we make, either consciously or subconsciously, there
are vast unintended and unimaginably complex consequences, few of which
are known or even knowable by us. No one is able to foresee and
forestall all possible error. Not anyone, ever. We make jokes about
it, saying, "You can't make an omelet without breaking some eggs," but
it just means that all human action is fallible, despite several
millennia of religious dogma and fantasy fables to the contrary.

That is not to say we shouldn't try to do good and avert evil, but it
just means there should be no bloody crusades to either end. One should
expect to hurt people one is trying to help, because it is inevitable.
It is far past time for human beings to humble ourselves, and find our
place amongst the motes of dust in the universe, or possibly even
beneath that.

[ImperiusDamian]

I would if I had one! I do have ice cream...

[ImperiusDamian]

It's true, very true. We come up with scientific theories to explain it
(the Butterfly Effect and so on) but really what it boils down to is,
you can never predict or even comprehend every consequence to every action.

Maybe one day we will, but that'll put us on par with the Ancients, the
Vorlons, the Valar, Muad'Dib and the Angiris Council. ;)

[ImperiusDamian]

On 03/25/2013 02:56 AM, ~misfit~ wrote:
> Somewhere on teh intarwebs ImperiusDamian wrote:
>> On 03/24/2013 02:27 AM, ~misfit~ wrote:
>>> Somewhere on teh intarwebs ImperiusDamian wrote:
>>>> On 2013-03-24 00:26, ~misfit~ wrote:
>>>>> Somewhere on teh intarwebs ImperiusDamian wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As Imp said, you're limited to 8 toons per D3 account - period.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Imp? I'm Tyrion Lannister now? ;)
>>>>>
>>>>> LOL! You wish. ;-) Sorry if the contraction offends, you've
>>>>> changed your posting nick at least three times (I believe?) in the
>>>>> last decade and that one's a biy long to write. <g>
>>>>
>>>> Just once actually, LOL! I was 'EvilBill' from 1998 up until 2009.
>>>> ;)
>>>
>>> Just one change? My bad, I thought that, for a brief time between
>>> "EvilBill" and "ImperiusDamian" you were somebody else.
>>
>> Nope! But I did for a while post via Google Groups while I was
>> in-between news servers. Maybe that's where the confusion arose? :)
>
> Ahh, that is a possibility.
>
> [snips] Cheers,
>

Yeah, it might be! Changes of e-mail addy too, maybe. I've had a LOT of
e-mails over the past 13 years!
I'm sticking with eternal-september as long as *it* sticks around now
though and I don't foresee any other name changes!

[ImperiusDamian]

On 03/25/2013 02:12 AM, ~misfit~ wrote:
> Somewhere on teh intarwebs ImperiusDamian wrote:
>> On 03/24/2013 12:42 AM, ~misfit~ wrote:
> [snip]
>>> Hey, but it's not *all* bad - some days I can make a coffee after
>>> only ~20 minutes or so! <g>
>>
>> As long as you HAVE coffee, that's the important part, right? ;)
>
> Heh! Yep. It might only be the cheapest, store brand instant (and I stock up
> when it's on special, never buy it at 'full price') but it's coffee! (At
> least I think it is..... It says so on the label..... <g>.)
>

Take care though... it might be ground essence of Fallen with a side of
goatman shaman. ;)

[~misfit~]

You have a point - it *does* give me headaches if I drink 'too much' (and I
never used to think there was such a thing as too much coffee). That would
be the essence of Fallen yes? <g>

[Mel Franks]

"ImperiusDamian" <damianbl...@gmail.com> wrote in message news:<kiodk8$9v3$1...@dont-email.me>...

My ISP recently cut Usenet service, "times are changing and few
people use it blah blah...".
I still follow some groups, including this one.
I honestly expected the D3 group to explode when the game was released,
guess I was delusional. :)

[Xocyll]

"Mel Franks" <m...@xcom.net> looked up from reading the entrails of the
porn spammer to utter "The Augury is good, the signs say:

>"ImperiusDamian" <damianbl...@gmail.com> wrote in message news:<kiodk8$9v3$1...@dont-email.me>...
>> On 03/24/2013 05:58 PM, ~misfit~ wrote:
>> >
>> > +1 for the Pollyannish-ness. Moreso as my real world circumstances have
>> > deteriorated I've come to look upon this group as a haven - almost a home.
>> > Witness my rather prolific posting and attempted CPR on the group of late.
>> >
>>
>> I certainly miss the days when I could load up the froup every day and
>> see 50+ new posts or even more! It's a shame and I don't think it's due
>> to a decline in Diablo but more a decline in Usenet or more
>> specifically, people who know how to access it. I imagine many long-time
>> former posters might well come back, if they knew about the
>> eternal-september server. Sadly most ISPs no longer offer Usenet access
>> which IMHO is a damn shame.
>
>My ISP recently cut Usenet service, "times are changing and few
>people use it blah blah...".

Yep, mine axed it over a years back. They didn't do it in house but
farmed it out to supernews and I guess usage diminished to the point it
wasn't economical to do so anymore, or something.

>I still follow some groups, including this one.
>I honestly expected the D3 group to explode when the game was released,
>guess I was delusional. :)

There's a few reasons for that.
1. it's very different from the other Diablo games and doesn't appeal as
much to the older gamer since there's no depth to it.
[Seems like there's a correlation between age and likeliness to use
usenet - the younger crowd prefer web forums where they can have an
animated avatar, special title, post count, huge picture sig etc - the
message gets lost in the medium. The older set prefer usenet since
it's all about the message not the trappings. I guess for the younger
set who aren't old enough to have accomplished anything in life a
special title on a web forum counts for something.]

2. it was so damn buggy at release everyone was on the D3 web forums
anyway looking for fixes and they just stayed there to post in general
chat too, etc.

3. the developers don't read comments on usenet, but they do monitor
their own web forums, so people feel like the only way to be heard is to
post on there. If not the devs themselves, they do have a community
support person who monitors things and can presumably point out good
info to the devs.

I hit the forums looking for bug fixes, but I absolutely hate reading
web forum posts - too much extraneous shit, badly formatted layout and
usually far too few messages per page because of all the extra shit so I
did not stick around afterwards.

There is one good side to it, all the people who actually think all that
extra shit is important, generally have very little to say anyway that's
worth reading, they would just be clutter in a newsgroup anyway, if they
even knew what one was.

The bad side is that there are a few people on those forums whose posts
are definitely worth reading, it just not worth the virtual wading
through miles of raw sewage to get to them. If we could just get them
to switch over to usenet all would be well.

Xocyll
--
I don't particularly want you to FOAD, myself. You'll be more of
a cautionary example if you'll FO And Get Chronically, Incurably,
Painfully, Progressively, Expensively, Debilitatingly Ill. So
FOAGCIPPEDI. -- Mike Andrews responding to an idiot in asr

[ImperiusDamian]

On 2013-03-25 18:56, ~misfit~ wrote:
> Somewhere on teh intarwebs ImperiusDamian wrote:
>> On 03/25/2013 02:12 AM, ~misfit~ wrote:
>>> Somewhere on teh intarwebs ImperiusDamian wrote:
>>>> On 03/24/2013 12:42 AM, ~misfit~ wrote:
>>> [snip]
>>>>> Hey, but it's not *all* bad - some days I can make a coffee after
>>>>> only ~20 minutes or so! <g>
>>>>
>>>> As long as you HAVE coffee, that's the important part, right? ;)
>>>
>>> Heh! Yep. It might only be the cheapest, store brand instant (and I
>>> stock up when it's on special, never buy it at 'full price') but
>>> it's coffee! (At least I think it is..... It says so on the
>>> label..... <g>.)
>>
>> Take care though... it might be ground essence of Fallen with a side
>> of goatman shaman. ;)
>
> You have a point - it *does* give me headaches if I drink 'too much' (and I
> never used to think there was such a thing as too much coffee). That would
> be the essence of Fallen yes? <g>
>

Unless it's the Sand Maggot venom?

[~misfit~]

That makes five of us. Errr..... Meds time.

Are you still playing D3? I have 11 (I think) IMs and, if I can drag myself
away from PoE long enough wouldn't mind using them - preferably with the
'old crew', or at least *some* of the old crew. :)

I'm fairly sure that, if it came to it, your barb and my DH could do it but
it'd be nicer ot have at least one other tank target for monsters in case
you bite the dirt. ;) As you know, my DH, with no innate DR, dies pretty
quickly if I can't keep her at a distance.

Oh, I finally got my barb into Inferno but he's still in act 1 and, although
he can basically romp through at MP2 easilly enough I was finding it tedious
playing through yet again. (Normal, NM, Hell then Inf for each toon, gets a
bit boring as the promised randomisation of each area isn't what I'd hoped.)

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Mosfet-6769/hero/18655752

Perhaps after a break I'll feel more like playing him. All I've been doing
is buying items from vendors and selling them on the AH. I'm up to 112M now
as well as having bought some gear - maybe half of the 'good stuff' that the
barb's wearing. You gave me the gloves ages ago - remember? :)

Cheers.