[solved] Does Creatures Village run on Mac OSX Snow Leopard? (10.6)
Neo
You can find the MyWorlds folder in your (old) Preferences menu on your
old install (in your home folder/library). You can copy your old worlds
from here.
Neo
--
Everything that has a beginning has an end.
emmel
> Yes it does! As long as you install Rosetta from the Apple install CD.
>
> You can find the MyWorlds folder in your (old) Preferences menu on your
> old install (in your home folder/library). You can copy your old worlds
> from here.
>
> Neo
What the hell are you replying to?
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Neo
> Thus Neo spoke:
>
>> Yes it does! As long as you install Rosetta from the Apple install CD.
>>
>> You can find the MyWorlds folder in your (old) Preferences menu on your
>> old install (in your home folder/library). You can copy your old worlds
>> from here.
>>
>> Neo
>
> What the hell are you replying to?
See topic.
emmel
> emmel wrote:
>> Thus Neo spoke:
>>
>>> Yes it does! As long as you install Rosetta from the Apple install CD.
>>>
>>> You can find the MyWorlds folder in your (old) Preferences menu on your
>>> old install (in your home folder/library). You can copy your old worlds
>>> from here.
>>>
>>> Neo
>>
>> What the hell are you replying to?
>
> See topic.
Yeah, but when the hell was that posted?
Neo
> Thus Neo spoke:
>
>> emmel wrote:
>>> Thus Neo spoke:
>>>
>>>> Yes it does! As long as you install Rosetta from the Apple install CD.
>>>>
>>>> You can find the MyWorlds folder in your (old) Preferences menu on your
>>>> old install (in your home folder/library). You can copy your old worlds
>>>> from here.
>>>>
>>>> Neo
>>> What the hell are you replying to?
>> See topic.
>
> Yeah, but when the hell was that posted?
Browse through JNCOBOY and find out!
emmel
> emmel wrote:
>> Thus Neo spoke:
>>
>>> emmel wrote:
>>>> Thus Neo spoke:
>>>>
>>>>> Yes it does! As long as you install Rosetta from the Apple install CD.
>>>>>
>>>>> You can find the MyWorlds folder in your (old) Preferences menu on your
>>>>> old install (in your home folder/library). You can copy your old worlds
>>>>> from here.
>>>>>
>>>>> Neo
>>>> What the hell are you replying to?
>>> See topic.
>>
>> Yeah, but when the hell was that posted?
>
> Browse through JNCOBOY and find out!
That was in JNCOBOY?! And I'm pretty sure replying to posts so old the
dust on them gathers dust by now was bad netiquette once upon a time...
Neo
> Thus Neo spoke:
>
>> emmel wrote:
>>> Thus Neo spoke:
>>>
>>>> emmel wrote:
>>>>> Thus Neo spoke:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes it does! As long as you install Rosetta from the Apple install CD.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You can find the MyWorlds folder in your (old) Preferences menu on your
>>>>>> old install (in your home folder/library). You can copy your old worlds
>>>>>> from here.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Neo
>>>>> What the hell are you replying to?
>>>> See topic.
>>> Yeah, but when the hell was that posted?
>> Browse through JNCOBOY and find out!
>
> That was in JNCOBOY?! And I'm pretty sure replying to posts so old the
> dust on them gathers dust by now was bad netiquette once upon a time...
Since Snow Leopard was released August 28th this year, that is not
likely the case here.
Besides, I tested it and it does run. Good to know in a group that is
mostly off-topic. Even if I *am* talking to my self (but who else is
there to talk to if everyone seems busy killing themselves and grieving
their next of kin?).
emmel
> emmel wrote:
>> Thus Neo spoke:
>>
>>> emmel wrote:
>>>> Thus Neo spoke:
>>>>
>>>>> emmel wrote:
>>>>>> Thus Neo spoke:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes it does! As long as you install Rosetta from the Apple install CD.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You can find the MyWorlds folder in your (old) Preferences menu on your
>>>>>>> old install (in your home folder/library). You can copy your old worlds
>>>>>>> from here.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Neo
>>>>>> What the hell are you replying to?
>>>>> See topic.
>>>> Yeah, but when the hell was that posted?
>>> Browse through JNCOBOY and find out!
>>
>> That was in JNCOBOY?! And I'm pretty sure replying to posts so old the
>> dust on them gathers dust by now was bad netiquette once upon a time...
>
> Since Snow Leopard was released August 28th this year, that is not
> likely the case here.
That's months ago. Plus I can't remember that post.
> Besides, I tested it and it does run.
You got yourself a mac?
> Good to know in a group that is
> mostly off-topic. Even if I *am* talking to my self (but who else is
> there to talk to if everyone seems busy killing themselves and grieving
> their next of kin?).
::shrugs::
I didn't ask for life to get lousy, you know.
Neo
> Thus Neo spoke:
>
>> emmel wrote:
>>> Thus Neo spoke:
>>>
>>>> emmel wrote:
>>>>> Thus Neo spoke:
>>>>>
>>>>>> emmel wrote:
>>>>>>> Thus Neo spoke:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yes it does! As long as you install Rosetta from the Apple install CD.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You can find the MyWorlds folder in your (old) Preferences menu on your
>>>>>>>> old install (in your home folder/library). You can copy your old worlds
>>>>>>>> from here.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Neo
>>>>>>> What the hell are you replying to?
>>>>>> See topic.
>>>>> Yeah, but when the hell was that posted?
>>>> Browse through JNCOBOY and find out!
>>> That was in JNCOBOY?! And I'm pretty sure replying to posts so old the
>>> dust on them gathers dust by now was bad netiquette once upon a time...
>> Since Snow Leopard was released August 28th this year, that is not
>> likely the case here.
>
> That's months ago. Plus I can't remember that post.
>
>> Besides, I tested it and it does run.
>
> You got yourself a mac?
gf has a Mac. Since she lacks the skill and motivation to secure a
Windows machine, I thought I would recommend that to her.
Plus.. any time she doesn't spend infecting my windows machine(s).. is
worth the extra money she spend on it ;-) [And she likes the design,
which is a thing a lot of girls care about more than what is inside].
>> Good to know in a group that is
>> mostly off-topic. Even if I *am* talking to my self (but who else is
>> there to talk to if everyone seems busy killing themselves and grieving
>> their next of kin?).
>
> ::shrugs::
> I didn't ask for life to get lousy, you know.
I didn't ask you for terminating your lousy life.
emmel
> emmel wrote:
>> Thus Neo spoke:
>>
>>> Besides, I tested it and it does run.
>>
>> You got yourself a mac?
>
> gf has a Mac. Since she lacks the skill and motivation to secure a
> Windows machine, I thought I would recommend that to her.
Well, there are worse choices. Cheaper ones as well.
> Plus.. any time she doesn't spend infecting my windows machine(s).. is
> worth the extra money she spend on it ;-) [And she likes the design,
> which is a thing a lot of girls care about more than what is inside].
I think you are overgeneralising. Once you have acquired the knowledge
about the inner workings, design plays an inferior role. And that's
independent of gender. And there are enough males that don't have clue.
>>> Good to know in a group that is
>>> mostly off-topic. Even if I *am* talking to my self (but who else is
>>> there to talk to if everyone seems busy killing themselves and grieving
>>> their next of kin?).
>>
>> ::shrugs::
>> I didn't ask for life to get lousy, you know.
>
> I didn't ask you for terminating your lousy life.
Yet.
Neo
> Thus Neo spoke:
>
>> emmel wrote:
>>> Thus Neo spoke:
>>>
>>>> Besides, I tested it and it does run.
>>> You got yourself a mac?
>> gf has a Mac. Since she lacks the skill and motivation to secure a
>> Windows machine, I thought I would recommend that to her.
>
> Well, there are worse choices. Cheaper ones as well.
1500 Euro is a small price to pay for an ease of mind that lasts for
years!
That said, FreeBSD is pretty neat when it comes to security!
I just don't have the experience with it to keep it safe.
Last week I turned on DEP in Windows Vista. It is supposed to keep your
processor from running code from a data memory fragment. I already had
this set for windows processes (with is the default for Vista), but I
thought all my programs would crash (especially games!). This doesn't
seem to be the case so I feel very secure now...
>> Plus.. any time she doesn't spend infecting my windows machine(s).. is
>> worth the extra money she spend on it ;-) [And she likes the design,
>> which is a thing a lot of girls care about more than what is inside].
>
> I think you are overgeneralising. Once you have acquired the knowledge
> about the inner workings, design plays an inferior role. And that's
> independent of gender. And there are enough males that don't have clue.
Overgeneralising is what keeps me sane!
If you put every human being into the appropriate 'box', this greatly
simplifies things.
Plus you get funny situations when you get things wrong :-)
>>>> Good to know in a group that is
>>>> mostly off-topic. Even if I *am* talking to my self (but who else is
>>>> there to talk to if everyone seems busy killing themselves and grieving
>>>> their next of kin?).
>>> ::shrugs::
>>> I didn't ask for life to get lousy, you know.
>> I didn't ask you for terminating your lousy life.
>
> Yet.
I will stay in AGC as long as you will. Don't worry :-)
emmel
> emmel wrote:
>> Thus Neo spoke:
>>
>>> emmel wrote:
>>>> Thus Neo spoke:
>>>>
>>>>> Besides, I tested it and it does run.
>>>> You got yourself a mac?
>>> gf has a Mac. Since she lacks the skill and motivation to secure a
>>> Windows machine, I thought I would recommend that to her.
>>
>> Well, there are worse choices. Cheaper ones as well.
>
> 1500 Euro is a small price to pay for an ease of mind that lasts for
> years!
>
> That said, FreeBSD is pretty neat when it comes to security!
>
> I just don't have the experience with it to keep it safe.
Nothing like learning by doing.
> Last week I turned on DEP in Windows Vista. It is supposed to keep your
> processor from running code from a data memory fragment. I already had
> this set for windows processes (with is the default for Vista), but I
> thought all my programs would crash (especially games!). This doesn't
> seem to be the case so I feel very secure now...
The worst kind of security is a feeling of security. Because it is a
false one. Always.
>>> Plus.. any time she doesn't spend infecting my windows machine(s).. is
>>> worth the extra money she spend on it ;-) [And she likes the design,
>>> which is a thing a lot of girls care about more than what is inside].
>>
>> I think you are overgeneralising. Once you have acquired the knowledge
>> about the inner workings, design plays an inferior role. And that's
>> independent of gender. And there are enough males that don't have clue.
>
> Overgeneralising is what keeps me sane!
Is this definite?
> If you put every human being into the appropriate 'box', this greatly
> simplifies things.
By making people try to get rid of you ASAP?
> Plus you get funny situations when you get things wrong :-)
I'm sure they are extraordinarily funny situations. Not.
>>>>> Good to know in a group that is
>>>>> mostly off-topic. Even if I *am* talking to my self (but who else is
>>>>> there to talk to if everyone seems busy killing themselves and grieving
>>>>> their next of kin?).
>>>> ::shrugs::
>>>> I didn't ask for life to get lousy, you know.
>>> I didn't ask you for terminating your lousy life.
>>
>> Yet.
>
> I will stay in AGC as long as you will. Don't worry :-)
Other people have gone. In fact all other people have.
Neo
> Thus Neo spoke:
>
>> emmel wrote:
>>> Thus Neo spoke:
>>>
>>>> emmel wrote:
>>>>> Thus Neo spoke:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Besides, I tested it and it does run.
>>>>> You got yourself a mac?
>>>> gf has a Mac. Since she lacks the skill and motivation to secure a
>>>> Windows machine, I thought I would recommend that to her.
>>> Well, there are worse choices. Cheaper ones as well.
>> 1500 Euro is a small price to pay for an ease of mind that lasts for
>> years!
>>
>> That said, FreeBSD is pretty neat when it comes to security!
>>
>> I just don't have the experience with it to keep it safe.
>
> Nothing like learning by doing.
>
>> Last week I turned on DEP in Windows Vista. It is supposed to keep your
>> processor from running code from a data memory fragment. I already had
>> this set for windows processes (with is the default for Vista), but I
>> thought all my programs would crash (especially games!). This doesn't
>> seem to be the case so I feel very secure now...
>
> The worst kind of security is a feeling of security. Because it is a
> false one. Always.
I am pretty sure I know everything that is needed to keep my windows
machine secure (from bad people). I am also pretty sure I will mess up
the security of FreeBSD in some way by doing things wrong.
>>>> Plus.. any time she doesn't spend infecting my windows machine(s).. is
>>>> worth the extra money she spend on it ;-) [And she likes the design,
>>>> which is a thing a lot of girls care about more than what is inside].
>>> I think you are overgeneralising. Once you have acquired the knowledge
>>> about the inner workings, design plays an inferior role. And that's
>>> independent of gender. And there are enough males that don't have clue.
>> Overgeneralising is what keeps me sane!
>
> Is this definite?
The sane bit of the overgeneralising bit?
>> If you put every human being into the appropriate 'box', this greatly
>> simplifies things.
>
> By making people try to get rid of you ASAP?
Which can be useful at times.
>> Plus you get funny situations when you get things wrong :-)
>
> I'm sure they are extraordinarily funny situations. Not.
If I put people in the wrong 'box', this usually makes them more
interesting to me. And I think that they know this too because they are
doing the same thing!
>>>>>> Good to know in a group that is
>>>>>> mostly off-topic. Even if I *am* talking to my self (but who else is
>>>>>> there to talk to if everyone seems busy killing themselves and grieving
>>>>>> their next of kin?).
>>>>> ::shrugs::
>>>>> I didn't ask for life to get lousy, you know.
>>>> I didn't ask you for terminating your lousy life.
>>> Yet.
>> I will stay in AGC as long as you will. Don't worry :-)
>
> Other people have gone. In fact all other people have.
::hints at angry looking sheep in Australia::
emmel
> emmel wrote:
>> Thus Neo spoke:
>>
>>> Last week I turned on DEP in Windows Vista. It is supposed to keep your
>>> processor from running code from a data memory fragment. I already had
>>> this set for windows processes (with is the default for Vista), but I
>>> thought all my programs would crash (especially games!). This doesn't
>>> seem to be the case so I feel very secure now...
>>
>> The worst kind of security is a feeling of security. Because it is a
>> false one. Always.
>
> I am pretty sure I know everything that is needed to keep my windows
> machine secure (from bad people). I am also pretty sure I will mess up
> the security of FreeBSD in some way by doing things wrong.
Maybe, but I don't think so.
>>>>> Plus.. any time she doesn't spend infecting my windows machine(s).. is
>>>>> worth the extra money she spend on it ;-) [And she likes the design,
>>>>> which is a thing a lot of girls care about more than what is inside].
>>>> I think you are overgeneralising. Once you have acquired the knowledge
>>>> about the inner workings, design plays an inferior role. And that's
>>>> independent of gender. And there are enough males that don't have clue.
>>> Overgeneralising is what keeps me sane!
>>
>> Is this definite?
>
> The sane bit of the overgeneralising bit?
Was that supposed to be an 'or'?
>>> If you put every human being into the appropriate 'box', this greatly
>>> simplifies things.
>>
>> By making people try to get rid of you ASAP?
>
> Which can be useful at times.
Rarely...
>>> Plus you get funny situations when you get things wrong :-)
>>
>> I'm sure they are extraordinarily funny situations. Not.
>
> If I put people in the wrong 'box', this usually makes them more
> interesting to me. And I think that they know this too because they are
> doing the same thing!
I don't know... I don't like it.
>>>>>>> Good to know in a group that is
>>>>>>> mostly off-topic. Even if I *am* talking to my self (but who else is
>>>>>>> there to talk to if everyone seems busy killing themselves and grieving
>>>>>>> their next of kin?).
>>>>>> ::shrugs::
>>>>>> I didn't ask for life to get lousy, you know.
>>>>> I didn't ask you for terminating your lousy life.
>>>> Yet.
>>> I will stay in AGC as long as you will. Don't worry :-)
>>
>> Other people have gone. In fact all other people have.
>
>::hints at angry looking sheep in Australia::
Maybe I should go there...
Neo
> Thus Neo spoke:
>
>> emmel wrote:
>>> Thus Neo spoke:
>>>
>>>> Last week I turned on DEP in Windows Vista. It is supposed to keep your
>>>> processor from running code from a data memory fragment. I already had
>>>> this set for windows processes (with is the default for Vista), but I
>>>> thought all my programs would crash (especially games!). This doesn't
>>>> seem to be the case so I feel very secure now...
>>>
>>> The worst kind of security is a feeling of security. Because it is a
>>> false one. Always.
>>
>> I am pretty sure I know everything that is needed to keep my windows
>> machine secure (from bad people). I am also pretty sure I will mess up
>> the security of FreeBSD in some way by doing things wrong.
>
> Maybe, but I don't think so.
I thank you for the confidence in my FreeBSD hardening skills, but I'll
stick with Xubuntu and Windows :-)
>>>>>> Plus.. any time she doesn't spend infecting my windows machine(s).. is
>>>>>> worth the extra money she spend on it ;-) [And she likes the design,
>>>>>> which is a thing a lot of girls care about more than what is inside].
>>>>> I think you are overgeneralising. Once you have acquired the knowledge
>>>>> about the inner workings, design plays an inferior role. And that's
>>>>> independent of gender. And there are enough males that don't have clue.
>>>> Overgeneralising is what keeps me sane!
>>>
>>> Is this definite?
>>
>> The sane bit of the overgeneralising bit?
>
> Was that supposed to be an 'or'?
It could be an 'or'.
>>>> If you put every human being into the appropriate 'box', this greatly
>>>> simplifies things.
>>>
>>> By making people try to get rid of you ASAP?
>>
>> Which can be useful at times.
>
> Rarely...
I once told a telemarketer that I had died.
The silence after that was reassuring, they didn't try to sell me
anything after that.
These days I just don't answer the phone if I don't recognize the
number. Works really well! After a couple of months people give up
trying to reach you.
>>>> Plus you get funny situations when you get things wrong :-)
>>>
>>> I'm sure they are extraordinarily funny situations. Not.
>>
>> If I put people in the wrong 'box', this usually makes them more
>> interesting to me. And I think that they know this too because they are
>> doing the same thing!
>
> I don't know... I don't like it.
It can be a bit unsettling.
>>>>>>>> Good to know in a group that is
>>>>>>>> mostly off-topic. Even if I *am* talking to my self (but who else is
>>>>>>>> there to talk to if everyone seems busy killing themselves and grieving
>>>>>>>> their next of kin?).
>>>>>>> ::shrugs::
>>>>>>> I didn't ask for life to get lousy, you know.
>>>>>> I didn't ask you for terminating your lousy life.
>>>>> Yet.
>>>> I will stay in AGC as long as you will. Don't worry :-)
>>>
>>> Other people have gone. In fact all other people have.
>>
>> ::hints at angry looking sheep in Australia::
>
> Maybe I should go there...
I think BWIGLEY didn't post because I called him a Aussie. It seems
Kiwi's hate that more than anything!
Neo
--
Everything that has an end also has a beginning.
emmel
> On 11-1-2010 12:30, emmel wrote:
>> Thus Neo spoke:
>>
>>> emmel wrote:
>>>> Thus Neo spoke:
>>>>
>>>>> Last week I turned on DEP in Windows Vista. It is supposed to keep your
>>>>> processor from running code from a data memory fragment. I already had
>>>>> this set for windows processes (with is the default for Vista), but I
>>>>> thought all my programs would crash (especially games!). This doesn't
>>>>> seem to be the case so I feel very secure now...
>>>>
>>>> The worst kind of security is a feeling of security. Because it is a
>>>> false one. Always.
>>>
>>> I am pretty sure I know everything that is needed to keep my windows
>>> machine secure (from bad people). I am also pretty sure I will mess up
>>> the security of FreeBSD in some way by doing things wrong.
>>
>> Maybe, but I don't think so.
>
> I thank you for the confidence in my FreeBSD hardening skills, but I'll
> stick with Xubuntu and Windows :-)
Ubuntu is crap.
>>>>>>> Plus.. any time she doesn't spend infecting my windows machine(s).. is
>>>>>>> worth the extra money she spend on it ;-) [And she likes the design,
>>>>>>> which is a thing a lot of girls care about more than what is inside].
>>>>>> I think you are overgeneralising. Once you have acquired the knowledge
>>>>>> about the inner workings, design plays an inferior role. And that's
>>>>>> independent of gender. And there are enough males that don't have clue.
>>>>> Overgeneralising is what keeps me sane!
>>>>
>>>> Is this definite?
>>>
>>> The sane bit of the overgeneralising bit?
>>
>> Was that supposed to be an 'or'?
>
> It could be an 'or'.
It could?
>>>>> If you put every human being into the appropriate 'box', this greatly
>>>>> simplifies things.
>>>>
>>>> By making people try to get rid of you ASAP?
>>>
>>> Which can be useful at times.
>>
>> Rarely...
>
> I once told a telemarketer that I had died.
Huh? Talking zombie? And he/she didn't try to sell you stuff anyway?
> The silence after that was reassuring, they didn't try to sell me
> anything after that.
Who would have thought...
> These days I just don't answer the phone if I don't recognize the
> number. Works really well! After a couple of months people give up
> trying to reach you.
Might as well stop taking any calls.
>>>>> Plus you get funny situations when you get things wrong :-)
>>>>
>>>> I'm sure they are extraordinarily funny situations. Not.
>>>
>>> If I put people in the wrong 'box', this usually makes them more
>>> interesting to me. And I think that they know this too because they are
>>> doing the same thing!
>>
>> I don't know... I don't like it.
>
> It can be a bit unsettling.
And uncomfortable. It makes me so.
>>>>>>>>> Good to know in a group that is
>>>>>>>>> mostly off-topic. Even if I *am* talking to my self (but who else is
>>>>>>>>> there to talk to if everyone seems busy killing themselves and grieving
>>>>>>>>> their next of kin?).
>>>>>>>> ::shrugs::
>>>>>>>> I didn't ask for life to get lousy, you know.
>>>>>>> I didn't ask you for terminating your lousy life.
>>>>>> Yet.
>>>>> I will stay in AGC as long as you will. Don't worry :-)
>>>>
>>>> Other people have gone. In fact all other people have.
>>>
>>> ::hints at angry looking sheep in Australia::
>>
>> Maybe I should go there...
>
> I think BWIGLEY didn't post because I called him a Aussie. It seems
> Kiwi's hate that more than anything!
You really shouldn't have done that...
Neo
> Thus Neo spoke:
>
>> On 11-1-2010 12:30, emmel wrote:
>>> Thus Neo spoke:
>>>
>>>> emmel wrote:
>>>>> Thus Neo spoke:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Last week I turned on DEP in Windows Vista. It is supposed to keep your
>>>>>> processor from running code from a data memory fragment. I already had
>>>>>> this set for windows processes (with is the default for Vista), but I
>>>>>> thought all my programs would crash (especially games!). This doesn't
>>>>>> seem to be the case so I feel very secure now...
>>>>>
>>>>> The worst kind of security is a feeling of security. Because it is a
>>>>> false one. Always.
>>>>
>>>> I am pretty sure I know everything that is needed to keep my windows
>>>> machine secure (from bad people). I am also pretty sure I will mess up
>>>> the security of FreeBSD in some way by doing things wrong.
>>>
>>> Maybe, but I don't think so.
>>
>> I thank you for the confidence in my FreeBSD hardening skills, but I'll
>> stick with Xubuntu and Windows :-)
>
> Ubuntu is crap.
At least updating it is easy enough for me to understand.
>>>>>>>> Plus.. any time she doesn't spend infecting my windows machine(s).. is
>>>>>>>> worth the extra money she spend on it ;-) [And she likes the design,
>>>>>>>> which is a thing a lot of girls care about more than what is inside].
>>>>>>> I think you are overgeneralising. Once you have acquired the knowledge
>>>>>>> about the inner workings, design plays an inferior role. And that's
>>>>>>> independent of gender. And there are enough males that don't have clue.
>>>>>> Overgeneralising is what keeps me sane!
>>>>>
>>>>> Is this definite?
>>>>
>>>> The sane bit of the overgeneralising bit?
>>>
>>> Was that supposed to be an 'or'?
>>
>> It could be an 'or'.
>
> It could?
It must be an 'or'!
>>>>>> If you put every human being into the appropriate 'box', this greatly
>>>>>> simplifies things.
>>>>>
>>>>> By making people try to get rid of you ASAP?
>>>>
>>>> Which can be useful at times.
>>>
>>> Rarely...
>>
>> I once told a telemarketer that I had died.
>
> Huh? Talking zombie? And he/she didn't try to sell you stuff anyway?
She didn't know it was actually me on the phone. I impersonated my
mourning family.
>> The silence after that was reassuring, they didn't try to sell me
>> anything after that.
>
> Who would have thought...
Well, if I was right, it might be best for my relatives not to know who
so rudely called during the mourning process.
Plus, if I was lucky, I would be removed from the dreaded direct
marketing database they have!
No use trying to sell items to a corpse.
>> These days I just don't answer the phone if I don't recognize the
>> number. Works really well! After a couple of months people give up
>> trying to reach you.
>
> Might as well stop taking any calls.
Some people are listed in my 'nummermelder' and I am always very happy
to see them call me.
But yes, that is a approach that would also work very well against
unwanted calls.
>>>>>> Plus you get funny situations when you get things wrong :-)
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm sure they are extraordinarily funny situations. Not.
>>>>
>>>> If I put people in the wrong 'box', this usually makes them more
>>>> interesting to me. And I think that they know this too because they are
>>>> doing the same thing!
>>>
>>> I don't know... I don't like it.
>>
>> It can be a bit unsettling.
>
> And uncomfortable. It makes me so.
I will put you in a comfortable box then!
>>>>>>>>>> Good to know in a group that is
>>>>>>>>>> mostly off-topic. Even if I *am* talking to my self (but who else is
>>>>>>>>>> there to talk to if everyone seems busy killing themselves and grieving
>>>>>>>>>> their next of kin?).
>>>>>>>>> ::shrugs::
>>>>>>>>> I didn't ask for life to get lousy, you know.
>>>>>>>> I didn't ask you for terminating your lousy life.
>>>>>>> Yet.
>>>>>> I will stay in AGC as long as you will. Don't worry :-)
>>>>>
>>>>> Other people have gone. In fact all other people have.
>>>>
>>>> ::hints at angry looking sheep in Australia::
>>>
>>> Maybe I should go there...
>>
>> I think BWIGLEY didn't post because I called him a Aussie. It seems
>> Kiwi's hate that more than anything!
>
> You really shouldn't have done that...
Perhaps. But it is too late for that now.
emmel
> On 14-1-2010 9:34, emmel wrote:
>> Thus Neo spoke:
>>
>>> On 11-1-2010 12:30, emmel wrote:
>>>> Thus Neo spoke:
>>>>
>>>>> emmel wrote:
>>>>>> Thus Neo spoke:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Last week I turned on DEP in Windows Vista. It is supposed to keep your
>>>>>>> processor from running code from a data memory fragment. I already had
>>>>>>> this set for windows processes (with is the default for Vista), but I
>>>>>>> thought all my programs would crash (especially games!). This doesn't
>>>>>>> seem to be the case so I feel very secure now...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The worst kind of security is a feeling of security. Because it is a
>>>>>> false one. Always.
>>>>>
>>>>> I am pretty sure I know everything that is needed to keep my windows
>>>>> machine secure (from bad people). I am also pretty sure I will mess up
>>>>> the security of FreeBSD in some way by doing things wrong.
>>>>
>>>> Maybe, but I don't think so.
>>>
>>> I thank you for the confidence in my FreeBSD hardening skills, but I'll
>>> stick with Xubuntu and Windows :-)
>>
>> Ubuntu is crap.
>
> At least updating it is easy enough for me to understand.
You could just as well go for debian...
>>>>>>>>> Plus.. any time she doesn't spend infecting my windows machine(s).. is
>>>>>>>>> worth the extra money she spend on it ;-) [And she likes the design,
>>>>>>>>> which is a thing a lot of girls care about more than what is inside].
>>>>>>>> I think you are overgeneralising. Once you have acquired the knowledge
>>>>>>>> about the inner workings, design plays an inferior role. And that's
>>>>>>>> independent of gender. And there are enough males that don't have clue.
>>>>>>> Overgeneralising is what keeps me sane!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is this definite?
>>>>>
>>>>> The sane bit of the overgeneralising bit?
>>>>
>>>> Was that supposed to be an 'or'?
>>>
>>> It could be an 'or'.
>>
>> It could?
>
> It must be an 'or'!
Ah.
>>>>>>> If you put every human being into the appropriate 'box', this greatly
>>>>>>> simplifies things.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> By making people try to get rid of you ASAP?
>>>>>
>>>>> Which can be useful at times.
>>>>
>>>> Rarely...
>>>
>>> I once told a telemarketer that I had died.
>>
>> Huh? Talking zombie? And he/she didn't try to sell you stuff anyway?
>
> She didn't know it was actually me on the phone. I impersonated my
> mourning family.
That's... kinda sick. But I guess it would work. Very well.
>>> The silence after that was reassuring, they didn't try to sell me
>>> anything after that.
>>
>> Who would have thought...
>
> Well, if I was right, it might be best for my relatives not to know who
> so rudely called during the mourning process.
>
> Plus, if I was lucky, I would be removed from the dreaded direct
> marketing database they have!
>
> No use trying to sell items to a corpse.
Point. Except coffins and the like. And zombie caring kits...
>>> These days I just don't answer the phone if I don't recognize the
>>> number. Works really well! After a couple of months people give up
>>> trying to reach you.
>>
>> Might as well stop taking any calls.
>
> Some people are listed in my 'nummermelder' and I am always very happy
> to see them call me.
Yeah, that's nice.
> But yes, that is a approach that would also work very well against
> unwanted calls.
Very much. Although I guess there would be collateral damage.
>>>>>>> Plus you get funny situations when you get things wrong :-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm sure they are extraordinarily funny situations. Not.
>>>>>
>>>>> If I put people in the wrong 'box', this usually makes them more
>>>>> interesting to me. And I think that they know this too because they are
>>>>> doing the same thing!
>>>>
>>>> I don't know... I don't like it.
>>>
>>> It can be a bit unsettling.
>>
>> And uncomfortable. It makes me so.
>
> I will put you in a comfortable box then!
That sounds kinda nice.
>>>>>>>>>>> Good to know in a group that is
>>>>>>>>>>> mostly off-topic. Even if I *am* talking to my self (but who else is
>>>>>>>>>>> there to talk to if everyone seems busy killing themselves and grieving
>>>>>>>>>>> their next of kin?).
>>>>>>>>>> ::shrugs::
>>>>>>>>>> I didn't ask for life to get lousy, you know.
>>>>>>>>> I didn't ask you for terminating your lousy life.
>>>>>>>> Yet.
>>>>>>> I will stay in AGC as long as you will. Don't worry :-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Other people have gone. In fact all other people have.
>>>>>
>>>>> ::hints at angry looking sheep in Australia::
>>>>
>>>> Maybe I should go there...
>>>
>>> I think BWIGLEY didn't post because I called him a Aussie. It seems
>>> Kiwi's hate that more than anything!
>>
>> You really shouldn't have done that...
>
> Perhaps. But it is too late for that now.
It always is, isn't it?
Neo
> Thus Neo spoke:
>
>> On 14-1-2010 9:34, emmel wrote:
>>> Thus Neo spoke:
>>>
>>>> On 11-1-2010 12:30, emmel wrote:
>>>>> Thus Neo spoke:
>>>>>
>>>>>> emmel wrote:
>>>>>>> Thus Neo spoke:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Last week I turned on DEP in Windows Vista. It is supposed to keep your
>>>>>>>> processor from running code from a data memory fragment. I already had
>>>>>>>> this set for windows processes (with is the default for Vista), but I
>>>>>>>> thought all my programs would crash (especially games!). This doesn't
>>>>>>>> seem to be the case so I feel very secure now...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The worst kind of security is a feeling of security. Because it is a
>>>>>>> false one. Always.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am pretty sure I know everything that is needed to keep my windows
>>>>>> machine secure (from bad people). I am also pretty sure I will mess up
>>>>>> the security of FreeBSD in some way by doing things wrong.
>>>>>
>>>>> Maybe, but I don't think so.
>>>>
>>>> I thank you for the confidence in my FreeBSD hardening skills, but I'll
>>>> stick with Xubuntu and Windows :-)
>>>
>>> Ubuntu is crap.
>>
>> At least updating it is easy enough for me to understand.
>
> You could just as well go for debian...
IIRC the stable version of Ubuntu is newer than the stable from debian.
And the unstable from debian is just too... unstable?
I also seem to remember that Ubuntu has more non-GPL software
(restricted).
>>>>>>>> If you put every human being into the appropriate 'box', this greatly
>>>>>>>> simplifies things.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> By making people try to get rid of you ASAP?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Which can be useful at times.
>>>>>
>>>>> Rarely...
>>>>
>>>> I once told a telemarketer that I had died.
>>>
>>> Huh? Talking zombie? And he/she didn't try to sell you stuff anyway?
>>
>> She didn't know it was actually me on the phone. I impersonated my
>> mourning family.
>
> That's... kinda sick. But I guess it would work. Very well.
Well, they wait a few months and hope a new victim gets the old phone
number when you die. It is important not to answer them too.
>>>> The silence after that was reassuring, they didn't try to sell me
>>>> anything after that.
>>>
>>> Who would have thought...
>>
>> Well, if I was right, it might be best for my relatives not to know who
>> so rudely called during the mourning process.
>>
>> Plus, if I was lucky, I would be removed from the dreaded direct
>> marketing database they have!
>>
>> No use trying to sell items to a corpse.
>
> Point. Except coffins and the like. And zombie caring kits...
Coffins by telemarketing. Now that is a scary branch of specialization!
>>>> These days I just don't answer the phone if I don't recognize the
>>>> number. Works really well! After a couple of months people give up
>>>> trying to reach you.
>>>
>>> Might as well stop taking any calls.
>>
>> Some people are listed in my 'nummermelder' and I am always very happy
>> to see them call me.
>
> Yeah, that's nice.
The mobile of my casemanager from the mental health is in it too. Works
great! Only she can call me so if they want something else from me
(which I generally don't want because the organization _sucks_), they
*have* to send me a letter.
Somehow they never send me letters though. They always insist on
calling even though my dossier says I won't answer unsolicited calls.
>> But yes, that is a approach that would also work very well against
>> unwanted calls.
>
> Very much. Although I guess there would be collateral damage.
Not so much damage, but you might as well not get a phone.
>>>>>>>> Plus you get funny situations when you get things wrong :-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm sure they are extraordinarily funny situations. Not.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If I put people in the wrong 'box', this usually makes them more
>>>>>> interesting to me. And I think that they know this too because they are
>>>>>> doing the same thing!
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't know... I don't like it.
>>>>
>>>> It can be a bit unsettling.
>>>
>>> And uncomfortable. It makes me so.
>>
>> I will put you in a comfortable box then!
>
> That sounds kinda nice.
::puts emmel in a comfortable box::
>>>>>>>>>>>> Good to know in a group that is
>>>>>>>>>>>> mostly off-topic. Even if I *am* talking to my self (but who else is
>>>>>>>>>>>> there to talk to if everyone seems busy killing themselves and grieving
>>>>>>>>>>>> their next of kin?).
>>>>>>>>>>> ::shrugs::
>>>>>>>>>>> I didn't ask for life to get lousy, you know.
>>>>>>>>>> I didn't ask you for terminating your lousy life.
>>>>>>>>> Yet.
>>>>>>>> I will stay in AGC as long as you will. Don't worry :-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Other people have gone. In fact all other people have.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ::hints at angry looking sheep in Australia::
>>>>>
>>>>> Maybe I should go there...
>>>>
>>>> I think BWIGLEY didn't post because I called him a Aussie. It seems
>>>> Kiwi's hate that more than anything!
>>>
>>> You really shouldn't have done that...
>>
>> Perhaps. But it is too late for that now.
>
> It always is, isn't it?
It always is, but there will also be fresh uncontaminated future
possibilities!
If there is anything you can know about the future, it is that you can't
know for sure.
emmel
Very likely. They take stability serious.
> And the unstable from debian is just too... unstable?
Nah, not really. You don't have to use testing, but unstable is fine
(and stable).
> I also seem to remember that Ubuntu has more non-GPL software
> (restricted).
And that's an advantage why exactly? Not to mention that you can always
use additional repositories.
>>>>>>>>> If you put every human being into the appropriate 'box', this greatly
>>>>>>>>> simplifies things.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> By making people try to get rid of you ASAP?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Which can be useful at times.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Rarely...
>>>>>
>>>>> I once told a telemarketer that I had died.
>>>>
>>>> Huh? Talking zombie? And he/she didn't try to sell you stuff anyway?
>>>
>>> She didn't know it was actually me on the phone. I impersonated my
>>> mourning family.
>>
>> That's... kinda sick. But I guess it would work. Very well.
>
> Well, they wait a few months and hope a new victim gets the old phone
> number when you die. It is important not to answer them too.
That's really sick.
>>>>> The silence after that was reassuring, they didn't try to sell me
>>>>> anything after that.
>>>>
>>>> Who would have thought...
>>>
>>> Well, if I was right, it might be best for my relatives not to know who
>>> so rudely called during the mourning process.
>>>
>>> Plus, if I was lucky, I would be removed from the dreaded direct
>>> marketing database they have!
>>>
>>> No use trying to sell items to a corpse.
>>
>> Point. Except coffins and the like. And zombie caring kits...
>
> Coffins by telemarketing. Now that is a scary branch of specialization!
Let's do it!
>>>>> These days I just don't answer the phone if I don't recognize the
>>>>> number. Works really well! After a couple of months people give up
>>>>> trying to reach you.
>>>>
>>>> Might as well stop taking any calls.
>>>
>>> Some people are listed in my 'nummermelder' and I am always very happy
>>> to see them call me.
>>
>> Yeah, that's nice.
>
> The mobile of my casemanager from the mental health is in it too. Works
> great! Only she can call me so if they want something else from me
> (which I generally don't want because the organization _sucks_), they
> *have* to send me a letter.
Hehe. Serves them right.
> Somehow they never send me letters though. They always insist on
> calling even though my dossier says I won't answer unsolicited calls.
They'd have to actually read it to know, though.
>>> But yes, that is a approach that would also work very well against
>>> unwanted calls.
>>
>> Very much. Although I guess there would be collateral damage.
>
> Not so much damage, but you might as well not get a phone.
Too late, I'm afraid.
>>>>>>>>> Plus you get funny situations when you get things wrong :-)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm sure they are extraordinarily funny situations. Not.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If I put people in the wrong 'box', this usually makes them more
>>>>>>> interesting to me. And I think that they know this too because they are
>>>>>>> doing the same thing!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't know... I don't like it.
>>>>>
>>>>> It can be a bit unsettling.
>>>>
>>>> And uncomfortable. It makes me so.
>>>
>>> I will put you in a comfortable box then!
>>
>> That sounds kinda nice.
>
>::puts emmel in a comfortable box::
Neat. And Cosy. I like it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Good to know in a group that is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> mostly off-topic. Even if I *am* talking to my self (but who else is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> there to talk to if everyone seems busy killing themselves and grieving
>>>>>>>>>>>>> their next of kin?).
>>>>>>>>>>>> ::shrugs::
>>>>>>>>>>>> I didn't ask for life to get lousy, you know.
>>>>>>>>>>> I didn't ask you for terminating your lousy life.
>>>>>>>>>> Yet.
>>>>>>>>> I will stay in AGC as long as you will. Don't worry :-)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Other people have gone. In fact all other people have.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ::hints at angry looking sheep in Australia::
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Maybe I should go there...
>>>>>
>>>>> I think BWIGLEY didn't post because I called him a Aussie. It seems
>>>>> Kiwi's hate that more than anything!
>>>>
>>>> You really shouldn't have done that...
>>>
>>> Perhaps. But it is too late for that now.
>>
>> It always is, isn't it?
>
> It always is, but there will also be fresh uncontaminated future
> possibilities!
Nothing is uncontaminated any more.
> If there is anything you can know about the future, it is that you can't
> know for sure.
Except what you do.
Neo
But I still remember the GnuPG bug in Debian.
It is no use when you are stable, when the whole internet can hack the
stuffings out of you!
>> And the unstable from debian is just too... unstable?
>
> Nah, not really. You don't have to use testing, but unstable is fine
> (and stable).
>
>> I also seem to remember that Ubuntu has more non-GPL software
>> (restricted).
>
> And that's an advantage why exactly? Not to mention that you can always
> use additional repositories.
Because it is easy with Ubuntu?
I have a multitude of computers to maintain (not just my own). And
having an easy linux like Ubuntu makes me happy. I just hit the update
button and the thing figures out by itself what to grab and what to
install.
So far I haven't messed up any Ubuntu install or any windows install
living next to it. (Well, just once when I tried ATI's restricted and
closed drivers; I am not that desperate any more to play Tux gliding
down the icy mountains covered in fresh and smelly fishes).
>>>>>>>>>> If you put every human being into the appropriate 'box', this greatly
>>>>>>>>>> simplifies things.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> By making people try to get rid of you ASAP?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Which can be useful at times.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Rarely...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I once told a telemarketer that I had died.
>>>>>
>>>>> Huh? Talking zombie? And he/she didn't try to sell you stuff anyway?
>>>>
>>>> She didn't know it was actually me on the phone. I impersonated my
>>>> mourning family.
>>>
>>> That's... kinda sick. But I guess it would work. Very well.
>>
>> Well, they wait a few months and hope a new victim gets the old phone
>> number when you die. It is important not to answer them too.
>
> That's really sick.
It pays the rent though. It if you lure a lot of people, you can win a
PS2! (Or so they told me on television).
>>>>>> The silence after that was reassuring, they didn't try to sell me
>>>>>> anything after that.
>>>>>
>>>>> Who would have thought...
>>>>
>>>> Well, if I was right, it might be best for my relatives not to know who
>>>> so rudely called during the mourning process.
>>>>
>>>> Plus, if I was lucky, I would be removed from the dreaded direct
>>>> marketing database they have!
>>>>
>>>> No use trying to sell items to a corpse.
>>>
>>> Point. Except coffins and the like. And zombie caring kits...
>>
>> Coffins by telemarketing. Now that is a scary branch of specialization!
>
> Let's do it!
"Hello there, it has come to our attention that you are about to die.
Yes, I'll hold. You see we have this great offer on coffins. Yes.
You'll look great in these. Yes. You'll be the envy of all the other
corpses. Yes. Dang, hang up on me. Again".
>>>> But yes, that is a approach that would also work very well against
>>>> unwanted calls.
>>>
>>> Very much. Although I guess there would be collateral damage.
>>
>> Not so much damage, but you might as well not get a phone.
>
> Too late, I'm afraid.
It is never too late to not get a phone! Arrrrg!
>>>>>>>>>> Plus you get funny situations when you get things wrong :-)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm sure they are extraordinarily funny situations. Not.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If I put people in the wrong 'box', this usually makes them more
>>>>>>>> interesting to me. And I think that they know this too because they are
>>>>>>>> doing the same thing!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't know... I don't like it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It can be a bit unsettling.
>>>>>
>>>>> And uncomfortable. It makes me so.
>>>>
>>>> I will put you in a comfortable box then!
>>>
>>> That sounds kinda nice.
>>
>> ::puts emmel in a comfortable box::
>
> Neat. And Cosy. I like it.
You can keep it and lay down in it whenever you feel uncosy!
::gives emmel the keys to the comfortable box::
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Good to know in a group that is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mostly off-topic. Even if I *am* talking to my self (but who else is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there to talk to if everyone seems busy killing themselves and grieving
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their next of kin?).
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ::shrugs::
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I didn't ask for life to get lousy, you know.
>>>>>>>>>>>> I didn't ask you for terminating your lousy life.
>>>>>>>>>>> Yet.
>>>>>>>>>> I will stay in AGC as long as you will. Don't worry :-)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Other people have gone. In fact all other people have.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ::hints at angry looking sheep in Australia::
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Maybe I should go there...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think BWIGLEY didn't post because I called him a Aussie. It seems
>>>>>> Kiwi's hate that more than anything!
>>>>>
>>>>> You really shouldn't have done that...
>>>>
>>>> Perhaps. But it is too late for that now.
>>>
>>> It always is, isn't it?
>>
>> It always is, but there will also be fresh uncontaminated future
>> possibilities!
>
> Nothing is uncontaminated any more.
There is no way of knowing.
>> If there is anything you can know about the future, it is that you can't
>> know for sure.
>
> Except what you do.
You can't be sure your body does it right.
Or you could change your mind at the last moment about something!
emmel
Which effected Ubuntu just as well...
> It is no use when you are stable, when the whole internet can hack the
> stuffings out of you!
Everyone makes mistakes. Most people just don't admit them. Have a look
at all those zombie doze machines.
>>> And the unstable from debian is just too... unstable?
>>
>> Nah, not really. You don't have to use testing, but unstable is fine
>> (and stable).
>>
>>> I also seem to remember that Ubuntu has more non-GPL software
>>> (restricted).
>>
>> And that's an advantage why exactly? Not to mention that you can always
>> use additional repositories.
>
> Because it is easy with Ubuntu?
Easy? They make everything more difficult, unless you do things exactly
their way.
> I have a multitude of computers to maintain (not just my own). And
> having an easy linux like Ubuntu makes me happy. I just hit the update
> button and the thing figures out by itself what to grab and what to
> install.
So does Debian. It's their update system after all.
> So far I haven't messed up any Ubuntu install or any windows install
> living next to it. (Well, just once when I tried ATI's restricted and
> closed drivers; I am not that desperate any more to play Tux gliding
> down the icy mountains covered in fresh and smelly fishes).
Your loss.
>>>>>>>>>>> If you put every human being into the appropriate 'box', this greatly
>>>>>>>>>>> simplifies things.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> By making people try to get rid of you ASAP?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Which can be useful at times.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Rarely...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I once told a telemarketer that I had died.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Huh? Talking zombie? And he/she didn't try to sell you stuff anyway?
>>>>>
>>>>> She didn't know it was actually me on the phone. I impersonated my
>>>>> mourning family.
>>>>
>>>> That's... kinda sick. But I guess it would work. Very well.
>>>
>>> Well, they wait a few months and hope a new victim gets the old phone
>>> number when you die. It is important not to answer them too.
>>
>> That's really sick.
>
> It pays the rent though. It if you lure a lot of people, you can win a
> PS2! (Or so they told me on television).
Who cares about a PS2?
>>>>>>> The silence after that was reassuring, they didn't try to sell me
>>>>>>> anything after that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Who would have thought...
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, if I was right, it might be best for my relatives not to know who
>>>>> so rudely called during the mourning process.
>>>>>
>>>>> Plus, if I was lucky, I would be removed from the dreaded direct
>>>>> marketing database they have!
>>>>>
>>>>> No use trying to sell items to a corpse.
>>>>
>>>> Point. Except coffins and the like. And zombie caring kits...
>>>
>>> Coffins by telemarketing. Now that is a scary branch of specialization!
>>
>> Let's do it!
>
> "Hello there, it has come to our attention that you are about to die.
> Yes, I'll hold. You see we have this great offer on coffins. Yes.
> You'll look great in these. Yes. You'll be the envy of all the other
> corpses. Yes. Dang, hang up on me. Again".
Well, Stan did very well. Until the customers came back...
>>>>> But yes, that is a approach that would also work very well against
>>>>> unwanted calls.
>>>>
>>>> Very much. Although I guess there would be collateral damage.
>>>
>>> Not so much damage, but you might as well not get a phone.
>>
>> Too late, I'm afraid.
>
> It is never too late to not get a phone! Arrrrg!
Too late not to get one.
>>>>>>>>>>> Plus you get funny situations when you get things wrong :-)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I'm sure they are extraordinarily funny situations. Not.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If I put people in the wrong 'box', this usually makes them more
>>>>>>>>> interesting to me. And I think that they know this too because they are
>>>>>>>>> doing the same thing!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I don't know... I don't like it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It can be a bit unsettling.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And uncomfortable. It makes me so.
>>>>>
>>>>> I will put you in a comfortable box then!
>>>>
>>>> That sounds kinda nice.
>>>
>>> ::puts emmel in a comfortable box::
>>
>> Neat. And Cosy. I like it.
>
> You can keep it and lay down in it whenever you feel uncosy!
>::gives emmel the keys to the comfortable box::
There are keys?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Good to know in a group that is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mostly off-topic. Even if I *am* talking to my self (but who else is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there to talk to if everyone seems busy killing themselves and grieving
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their next of kin?).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ::shrugs::
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I didn't ask for life to get lousy, you know.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I didn't ask you for terminating your lousy life.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Yet.
>>>>>>>>>>> I will stay in AGC as long as you will. Don't worry :-)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Other people have gone. In fact all other people have.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ::hints at angry looking sheep in Australia::
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Maybe I should go there...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think BWIGLEY didn't post because I called him a Aussie. It seems
>>>>>>> Kiwi's hate that more than anything!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You really shouldn't have done that...
>>>>>
>>>>> Perhaps. But it is too late for that now.
>>>>
>>>> It always is, isn't it?
>>>
>>> It always is, but there will also be fresh uncontaminated future
>>> possibilities!
>>
>> Nothing is uncontaminated any more.
>
> There is no way of knowing.
Oh yes, there is.
::hands you a timeline contamination scanner::
>>> If there is anything you can know about the future, it is that you can't
>>> know for sure.
>>
>> Except what you do.
>
> You can't be sure your body does it right.
> Or you could change your mind at the last moment about something!
But not about things I know.
Neo
Should have seen that coming...
>> It is no use when you are stable, when the whole internet can hack the
>> stuffings out of you!
>
> Everyone makes mistakes. Most people just don't admit them. Have a look
> at all those zombie doze machines.
And when did you figure that out. Welcome to the club ;-)
::embraces emmel::
>>>> And the unstable from debian is just too... unstable?
>>>
>>> Nah, not really. You don't have to use testing, but unstable is fine
>>> (and stable).
>>>
>>>> I also seem to remember that Ubuntu has more non-GPL software
>>>> (restricted).
>>>
>>> And that's an advantage why exactly? Not to mention that you can always
>>> use additional repositories.
>>
>> Because it is easy with Ubuntu?
>
> Easy? They make everything more difficult, unless you do things exactly
> their way.
I am spoiled. I have been using MS-DOS since version 3.2. It has
affected the way I think about computers.
>> I have a multitude of computers to maintain (not just my own). And
>> having an easy linux like Ubuntu makes me happy. I just hit the update
>> button and the thing figures out by itself what to grab and what to
>> install.
>
> So does Debian. It's their update system after all.
Should have seen that coming also...
>> So far I haven't messed up any Ubuntu install or any windows install
>> living next to it. (Well, just once when I tried ATI's restricted and
>> closed drivers; I am not that desperate any more to play Tux gliding
>> down the icy mountains covered in fresh and smelly fishes).
>
> Your loss.
Well, it is nice for a short while. I used to play a worms game also
(nibbles or something), until I realized the computer always beats you
because they don't make mistakes. Nor do they get tired after several
hours of play!
>>>>>>>>>>>> If you put every human being into the appropriate 'box', this greatly
>>>>>>>>>>>> simplifies things.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> By making people try to get rid of you ASAP?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Which can be useful at times.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Rarely...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I once told a telemarketer that I had died.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Huh? Talking zombie? And he/she didn't try to sell you stuff anyway?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> She didn't know it was actually me on the phone. I impersonated my
>>>>>> mourning family.
>>>>>
>>>>> That's... kinda sick. But I guess it would work. Very well.
>>>>
>>>> Well, they wait a few months and hope a new victim gets the old phone
>>>> number when you die. It is important not to answer them too.
>>>
>>> That's really sick.
>>
>> It pays the rent though. It if you lure a lot of people, you can win a
>> PS2! (Or so they told me on television).
>
> Who cares about a PS2?
It was a while ago. I bet they offer PS3's now to young aspiring
telemarketers.
>>>>>>>> The silence after that was reassuring, they didn't try to sell me
>>>>>>>> anything after that.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Who would have thought...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, if I was right, it might be best for my relatives not to know who
>>>>>> so rudely called during the mourning process.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Plus, if I was lucky, I would be removed from the dreaded direct
>>>>>> marketing database they have!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No use trying to sell items to a corpse.
>>>>>
>>>>> Point. Except coffins and the like. And zombie caring kits...
>>>>
>>>> Coffins by telemarketing. Now that is a scary branch of specialization!
>>>
>>> Let's do it!
>>
>> "Hello there, it has come to our attention that you are about to die.
>> Yes, I'll hold. You see we have this great offer on coffins. Yes.
>> You'll look great in these. Yes. You'll be the envy of all the other
>> corpses. Yes. Dang, hang up on me. Again".
>
> Well, Stan did very well. Until the customers came back...
Is this another obref?
>>>>>> But yes, that is a approach that would also work very well against
>>>>>> unwanted calls.
>>>>>
>>>>> Very much. Although I guess there would be collateral damage.
>>>>
>>>> Not so much damage, but you might as well not get a phone.
>>>
>>> Too late, I'm afraid.
>>
>> It is never too late to not get a phone! Arrrrg!
>
> Too late not to get one.
I like mine better :-)
>>>>>>>>>>>> Plus you get funny situations when you get things wrong :-)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I'm sure they are extraordinarily funny situations. Not.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> If I put people in the wrong 'box', this usually makes them more
>>>>>>>>>> interesting to me. And I think that they know this too because they are
>>>>>>>>>> doing the same thing!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I don't know... I don't like it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It can be a bit unsettling.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And uncomfortable. It makes me so.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I will put you in a comfortable box then!
>>>>>
>>>>> That sounds kinda nice.
>>>>
>>>> ::puts emmel in a comfortable box::
>>>
>>> Neat. And Cosy. I like it.
>>
>> You can keep it and lay down in it whenever you feel uncosy!
>> ::gives emmel the keys to the comfortable box::
>
> There are keys?
Sure, so you don't lock yourself in. You want the keys right?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Good to know in a group that is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mostly off-topic. Even if I *am* talking to my self (but who else is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there to talk to if everyone seems busy killing themselves and grieving
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their next of kin?).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ::shrugs::
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I didn't ask for life to get lousy, you know.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I didn't ask you for terminating your lousy life.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yet.
>>>>>>>>>>>> I will stay in AGC as long as you will. Don't worry :-)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Other people have gone. In fact all other people have.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ::hints at angry looking sheep in Australia::
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Maybe I should go there...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I think BWIGLEY didn't post because I called him a Aussie. It seems
>>>>>>>> Kiwi's hate that more than anything!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You really shouldn't have done that...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Perhaps. But it is too late for that now.
>>>>>
>>>>> It always is, isn't it?
>>>>
>>>> It always is, but there will also be fresh uncontaminated future
>>>> possibilities!
>>>
>>> Nothing is uncontaminated any more.
>>
>> There is no way of knowing.
>
> Oh yes, there is.
> ::hands you a timeline contamination scanner::
It is supposed to be contaminated! Or else we wouldn't have prophets and
things like that.
>>>> If there is anything you can know about the future, it is that you can't
>>>> know for sure.
>>>
>>> Except what you do.
>>
>> You can't be sure your body does it right.
>> Or you could change your mind at the last moment about something!
>
> But not about things I know.
You think you know. But that is because you are young and inexperienced
with life.
I know this can make you even more sad, but that is also because you
are inexperienced with life.
There will come a day when you will look down on yourself and just
grasp it. Every piece of the puzzle will fall into place.
This is the moment of self-realization. And this will be the first step
you take of many more to come.
Trust me on this.
emmel
> On 14-2-2010 10:51, emmel wrote:
>> Thus Neo spoke:
>>
>>>>> IIRC the stable version of Ubuntu is newer than the stable from debian.
>>>>
>>>> Very likely. They take stability serious.
>>>
>>> But I still remember the GnuPG bug in Debian.
>>
>> Which effected Ubuntu just as well...
>
> Should have seen that coming...
Yes, you should have.
>>> It is no use when you are stable, when the whole internet can hack the
>>> stuffings out of you!
>>
>> Everyone makes mistakes. Most people just don't admit them. Have a look
>> at all those zombie doze machines.
>
> And when did you figure that out. Welcome to the club ;-)
>
>::embraces emmel::
Erm, what?
>>>>> And the unstable from debian is just too... unstable?
>>>>
>>>> Nah, not really. You don't have to use testing, but unstable is fine
>>>> (and stable).
>>>>
>>>>> I also seem to remember that Ubuntu has more non-GPL software
>>>>> (restricted).
>>>>
>>>> And that's an advantage why exactly? Not to mention that you can always
>>>> use additional repositories.
>>>
>>> Because it is easy with Ubuntu?
>>
>> Easy? They make everything more difficult, unless you do things exactly
>> their way.
>
> I am spoiled. I have been using MS-DOS since version 3.2. It has
> affected the way I think about computers.
It's like a freaking virus, it is.
>>> I have a multitude of computers to maintain (not just my own). And
>>> having an easy linux like Ubuntu makes me happy. I just hit the update
>>> button and the thing figures out by itself what to grab and what to
>>> install.
>>
>> So does Debian. It's their update system after all.
>
> Should have seen that coming also...
Indeed.
>>> So far I haven't messed up any Ubuntu install or any windows install
>>> living next to it. (Well, just once when I tried ATI's restricted and
>>> closed drivers; I am not that desperate any more to play Tux gliding
>>> down the icy mountains covered in fresh and smelly fishes).
>>
>> Your loss.
>
> Well, it is nice for a short while. I used to play a worms game also
> (nibbles or something), until I realized the computer always beats you
> because they don't make mistakes. Nor do they get tired after several
> hours of play!
Only when programmed badly.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you put every human being into the appropriate 'box', this greatly
>>>>>>>>>>>>> simplifies things.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> By making people try to get rid of you ASAP?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Which can be useful at times.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Rarely...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I once told a telemarketer that I had died.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Huh? Talking zombie? And he/she didn't try to sell you stuff anyway?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> She didn't know it was actually me on the phone. I impersonated my
>>>>>>> mourning family.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's... kinda sick. But I guess it would work. Very well.
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, they wait a few months and hope a new victim gets the old phone
>>>>> number when you die. It is important not to answer them too.
>>>>
>>>> That's really sick.
>>>
>>> It pays the rent though. It if you lure a lot of people, you can win a
>>> PS2! (Or so they told me on television).
>>
>> Who cares about a PS2?
>
> It was a while ago. I bet they offer PS3's now to young aspiring
> telemarketers.
Who cares about PS3s?
>>>>>>>>> The silence after that was reassuring, they didn't try to sell me
>>>>>>>>> anything after that.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Who would have thought...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well, if I was right, it might be best for my relatives not to know who
>>>>>>> so rudely called during the mourning process.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Plus, if I was lucky, I would be removed from the dreaded direct
>>>>>>> marketing database they have!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No use trying to sell items to a corpse.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Point. Except coffins and the like. And zombie caring kits...
>>>>>
>>>>> Coffins by telemarketing. Now that is a scary branch of specialization!
>>>>
>>>> Let's do it!
>>>
>>> "Hello there, it has come to our attention that you are about to die.
>>> Yes, I'll hold. You see we have this great offer on coffins. Yes.
>>> You'll look great in these. Yes. You'll be the envy of all the other
>>> corpses. Yes. Dang, hang up on me. Again".
>>
>> Well, Stan did very well. Until the customers came back...
>
> Is this another obref?
Monkey Island. 3/4.
>>>>>>> But yes, that is a approach that would also work very well against
>>>>>>> unwanted calls.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Very much. Although I guess there would be collateral damage.
>>>>>
>>>>> Not so much damage, but you might as well not get a phone.
>>>>
>>>> Too late, I'm afraid.
>>>
>>> It is never too late to not get a phone! Arrrrg!
>>
>> Too late not to get one.
>
> I like mine better :-)
::shrugs::
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Plus you get funny situations when you get things wrong :-)
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm sure they are extraordinarily funny situations. Not.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> If I put people in the wrong 'box', this usually makes them more
>>>>>>>>>>> interesting to me. And I think that they know this too because they are
>>>>>>>>>>> doing the same thing!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I don't know... I don't like it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It can be a bit unsettling.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And uncomfortable. It makes me so.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I will put you in a comfortable box then!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That sounds kinda nice.
>>>>>
>>>>> ::puts emmel in a comfortable box::
>>>>
>>>> Neat. And Cosy. I like it.
>>>
>>> You can keep it and lay down in it whenever you feel uncosy!
>>> ::gives emmel the keys to the comfortable box::
>>
>> There are keys?
>
> Sure, so you don't lock yourself in. You want the keys right?
Nope, I want a plasma gun. Oh, wait, I already have one of those. I
guess the keys will have to do then.
Would probably be for the best.
>>>>> If there is anything you can know about the future, it is that you can't
>>>>> know for sure.
>>>>
>>>> Except what you do.
>>>
>>> You can't be sure your body does it right.
>>> Or you could change your mind at the last moment about something!
>>
>> But not about things I know.
>
> You think you know. But that is because you are young and inexperienced
> with life.
Life. Don't talk to me about life.
> I know this can make you even more sad, but that is also because you
> are inexperienced with life.
See above.
> There will come a day when you will look down on yourself and just
> grasp it. Every piece of the puzzle will fall into place.
And I'll realize they simply don't fit together.
> This is the moment of self-realization. And this will be the first step
> you take of many more to come.
That sounds awfully stereotypic, you know.
> Trust me on this.
Would it change a thing?
Neo
> Thus Neo spoke:
>
>> On 14-2-2010 10:51, emmel wrote:
>>> Thus Neo spoke:
>>>
>>>>>> IIRC the stable version of Ubuntu is newer than the stable from debian.
>>>>>
>>>>> Very likely. They take stability serious.
>>>>
>>>> But I still remember the GnuPG bug in Debian.
>>>
>>> Which effected Ubuntu just as well...
>>
>> Should have seen that coming...
>
> Yes, you should have.
Well, since Debian just patches GnuPG themselves, I kind-of hoped
Ubuntu didn't do that.
>>>> It is no use when you are stable, when the whole internet can hack the
>>>> stuffings out of you!
>>>
>>> Everyone makes mistakes. Most people just don't admit them. Have a look
>>> at all those zombie doze machines.
>>
>> And when did you figure that out. Welcome to the club ;-)
>>
>> ::embraces emmel::
>
> Erm, what?
Everybody makes mistakes!
Important lesson of life #1.
>>>>>> And the unstable from debian is just too... unstable?
>>>>>
>>>>> Nah, not really. You don't have to use testing, but unstable is fine
>>>>> (and stable).
>>>>>
>>>>>> I also seem to remember that Ubuntu has more non-GPL software
>>>>>> (restricted).
>>>>>
>>>>> And that's an advantage why exactly? Not to mention that you can always
>>>>> use additional repositories.
>>>>
>>>> Because it is easy with Ubuntu?
>>>
>>> Easy? They make everything more difficult, unless you do things exactly
>>> their way.
>>
>> I am spoiled. I have been using MS-DOS since version 3.2. It has
>> affected the way I think about computers.
>
> It's like a freaking virus, it is.
MS-DOS was pretty nice when you knew your way around in it.
It is like BIOS in that respect.
Very small and very powerful for playing games.
DOS 3.2 fitted on a 320kB floppy. That that was *including* all the
tools like format.com that weren't loaded at boot time.
I remember that it annoyed me how long the BIOS took to load on a
reboot. Look how fat it (MS-DOS) has become since...
>>>> I have a multitude of computers to maintain (not just my own). And
>>>> having an easy linux like Ubuntu makes me happy. I just hit the update
>>>> button and the thing figures out by itself what to grab and what to
>>>> install.
>>>
>>> So does Debian. It's their update system after all.
>>
>> Should have seen that coming also...
>
> Indeed.
I still hope Ubuntu does things differently than Debian.
At least they have more money to hire programmers!
>>>> So far I haven't messed up any Ubuntu install or any windows install
>>>> living next to it. (Well, just once when I tried ATI's restricted and
>>>> closed drivers; I am not that desperate any more to play Tux gliding
>>>> down the icy mountains covered in fresh and smelly fishes).
>>>
>>> Your loss.
>>
>> Well, it is nice for a short while. I used to play a worms game also
>> (nibbles or something), until I realized the computer always beats you
>> because they don't make mistakes. Nor do they get tired after several
>> hours of play!
>
> Only when programmed badly.
Nah, nibbles is just unfair towards humans. It doesn't even has network
capability!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you put every human being into the appropriate 'box', this greatly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> simplifies things.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> By making people try to get rid of you ASAP?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Which can be useful at times.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Rarely...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I once told a telemarketer that I had died.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Huh? Talking zombie? And he/she didn't try to sell you stuff anyway?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> She didn't know it was actually me on the phone. I impersonated my
>>>>>>>> mourning family.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That's... kinda sick. But I guess it would work. Very well.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, they wait a few months and hope a new victim gets the old phone
>>>>>> number when you die. It is important not to answer them too.
>>>>>
>>>>> That's really sick.
>>>>
>>>> It pays the rent though. It if you lure a lot of people, you can win a
>>>> PS2! (Or so they told me on television).
>>>
>>> Who cares about a PS2?
>>
>> It was a while ago. I bet they offer PS3's now to young aspiring
>> telemarketers.
>
> Who cares about PS3s?
I know someone rl who cares about PS2s.
>>>>>>>>>> The silence after that was reassuring, they didn't try to sell me
>>>>>>>>>> anything after that.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Who would have thought...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Well, if I was right, it might be best for my relatives not to know who
>>>>>>>> so rudely called during the mourning process.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Plus, if I was lucky, I would be removed from the dreaded direct
>>>>>>>> marketing database they have!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No use trying to sell items to a corpse.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Point. Except coffins and the like. And zombie caring kits...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Coffins by telemarketing. Now that is a scary branch of specialization!
>>>>>
>>>>> Let's do it!
>>>>
>>>> "Hello there, it has come to our attention that you are about to die.
>>>> Yes, I'll hold. You see we have this great offer on coffins. Yes.
>>>> You'll look great in these. Yes. You'll be the envy of all the other
>>>> corpses. Yes. Dang, hang up on me. Again".
>>>
>>> Well, Stan did very well. Until the customers came back...
>>
>> Is this another obref?
>
> Monkey Island. 3/4.
Yeah. I will probably never play it. But I understand why groups like
ALAMI do exist!
I did play the first one and the second one I think.
And Loom.
Why would you take a plasma gun into your comfy box?
Once you are in it you will never want to get out because outside of
the box, well, things just suck.
But then I would not longer be a creationist!
>>>>>> If there is anything you can know about the future, it is that you can't
>>>>>> know for sure.
>>>>>
>>>>> Except what you do.
>>>>
>>>> You can't be sure your body does it right.
>>>> Or you could change your mind at the last moment about something!
>>>
>>> But not about things I know.
>>
>> You think you know. But that is because you are young and inexperienced
>> with life.
>
> Life. Don't talk to me about life.
You eat.
You sleep.
You die.
>> I know this can make you even more sad, but that is also because you
>> are inexperienced with life.
>
> See above.
>
>> There will come a day when you will look down on yourself and just
>> grasp it. Every piece of the puzzle will fall into place.
>
> And I'll realize they simply don't fit together.
But they *do* fit together. It is just not easy to solve.
Some people never solve their puzzle and die unhappy.
Some people just die unhappy.
>> This is the moment of self-realization. And this will be the first step
>> you take of many more to come.
>
> That sounds awfully stereotypic, you know.
I didn't believe it either when I was your age.
>> Trust me on this.
>
> Would it change a thing?
It might make you curious enough to try and maybe proof me wrong some
day.
emmel
> On 18-2-2010 19:51, emmel wrote:
>> Thus Neo spoke:
>>
>>> On 14-2-2010 10:51, emmel wrote:
>>>> Thus Neo spoke:
>>>>
>>>>>>> IIRC the stable version of Ubuntu is newer than the stable from debian.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Very likely. They take stability serious.
>>>>>
>>>>> But I still remember the GnuPG bug in Debian.
>>>>
>>>> Which effected Ubuntu just as well...
>>>
>>> Should have seen that coming...
>>
>> Yes, you should have.
>
> Well, since Debian just patches GnuPG themselves, I kind-of hoped
> Ubuntu didn't do that.
Ubuntu build upon Debian. Inclusing their patches.
>>>>> It is no use when you are stable, when the whole internet can hack the
>>>>> stuffings out of you!
>>>>
>>>> Everyone makes mistakes. Most people just don't admit them. Have a look
>>>> at all those zombie doze machines.
>>>
>>> And when did you figure that out. Welcome to the club ;-)
>>>
>>> ::embraces emmel::
>>
>> Erm, what?
>
> Everybody makes mistakes!
> Important lesson of life #1.
I don't. (But I do contradict myself!)
>>>>>>> And the unstable from debian is just too... unstable?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nah, not really. You don't have to use testing, but unstable is fine
>>>>>> (and stable).
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I also seem to remember that Ubuntu has more non-GPL software
>>>>>>> (restricted).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And that's an advantage why exactly? Not to mention that you can always
>>>>>> use additional repositories.
>>>>>
>>>>> Because it is easy with Ubuntu?
>>>>
>>>> Easy? They make everything more difficult, unless you do things exactly
>>>> their way.
>>>
>>> I am spoiled. I have been using MS-DOS since version 3.2. It has
>>> affected the way I think about computers.
>>
>> It's like a freaking virus, it is.
>
> MS-DOS was pretty nice when you knew your way around in it.
>
> It is like BIOS in that respect.
> Very small and very powerful for playing games.
Useless for anything more complex than DOS games, though.
> DOS 3.2 fitted on a 320kB floppy. That that was *including* all the
> tools like format.com that weren't loaded at boot time.
Ha! CPM+ fit on a single sided 5.25" - and no fancy HD either.
> I remember that it annoyed me how long the BIOS took to load on a
> reboot. Look how fat it (MS-DOS) has become since...
DOS is dead since Win2k.
>>>>> I have a multitude of computers to maintain (not just my own). And
>>>>> having an easy linux like Ubuntu makes me happy. I just hit the update
>>>>> button and the thing figures out by itself what to grab and what to
>>>>> install.
>>>>
>>>> So does Debian. It's their update system after all.
>>>
>>> Should have seen that coming also...
>>
>> Indeed.
>
> I still hope Ubuntu does things differently than Debian.
> At least they have more money to hire programmers!
I'd take Debian over Ubuntu every day. Ubuntu makes things shiny... By
breaking everything that made Linux worth using.
>>>>> So far I haven't messed up any Ubuntu install or any windows install
>>>>> living next to it. (Well, just once when I tried ATI's restricted and
>>>>> closed drivers; I am not that desperate any more to play Tux gliding
>>>>> down the icy mountains covered in fresh and smelly fishes).
>>>>
>>>> Your loss.
>>>
>>> Well, it is nice for a short while. I used to play a worms game also
>>> (nibbles or something), until I realized the computer always beats you
>>> because they don't make mistakes. Nor do they get tired after several
>>> hours of play!
>>
>> Only when programmed badly.
>
> Nah, nibbles is just unfair towards humans. It doesn't even has network
> capability!
Uh, how exactly fit those two together?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you put every human being into the appropriate 'box', this greatly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> simplifies things.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> By making people try to get rid of you ASAP?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Which can be useful at times.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Rarely...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I once told a telemarketer that I had died.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Huh? Talking zombie? And he/she didn't try to sell you stuff anyway?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> She didn't know it was actually me on the phone. I impersonated my
>>>>>>>>> mourning family.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That's... kinda sick. But I guess it would work. Very well.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well, they wait a few months and hope a new victim gets the old phone
>>>>>>> number when you die. It is important not to answer them too.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's really sick.
>>>>>
>>>>> It pays the rent though. It if you lure a lot of people, you can win a
>>>>> PS2! (Or so they told me on television).
>>>>
>>>> Who cares about a PS2?
>>>
>>> It was a while ago. I bet they offer PS3's now to young aspiring
>>> telemarketers.
>>
>> Who cares about PS3s?
>
> I know someone rl who cares about PS2s.
Their loss.
>>>>>>>>>>> The silence after that was reassuring, they didn't try to sell me
>>>>>>>>>>> anything after that.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Who would have thought...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Well, if I was right, it might be best for my relatives not to know who
>>>>>>>>> so rudely called during the mourning process.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Plus, if I was lucky, I would be removed from the dreaded direct
>>>>>>>>> marketing database they have!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> No use trying to sell items to a corpse.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Point. Except coffins and the like. And zombie caring kits...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Coffins by telemarketing. Now that is a scary branch of specialization!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Let's do it!
>>>>>
>>>>> "Hello there, it has come to our attention that you are about to die.
>>>>> Yes, I'll hold. You see we have this great offer on coffins. Yes.
>>>>> You'll look great in these. Yes. You'll be the envy of all the other
>>>>> corpses. Yes. Dang, hang up on me. Again".
>>>>
>>>> Well, Stan did very well. Until the customers came back...
>>>
>>> Is this another obref?
>>
>> Monkey Island. 3/4.
>
> Yeah. I will probably never play it. But I understand why groups like
> ALAMI do exist!
>
> I did play the first one and the second one I think.
Well, 3 was good, too.
> And Loom.
Ah, yes, Loom. You *do* realise that it was meant to be a trilogy,
didn't you? Shame they never went through with it.
>>>>>>>>> But yes, that is a approach that would also work very well against
>>>>>>>>> unwanted calls.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Very much. Although I guess there would be collateral damage.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Not so much damage, but you might as well not get a phone.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Too late, I'm afraid.
>>>>>
>>>>> It is never too late to not get a phone! Arrrrg!
>>>>
>>>> Too late not to get one.
>>>
>>> I like mine better :-)
>>
>> ::shrugs::
>
> It is never too late to not get a phone! Arrrrg!
Wishful thinking.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Plus you get funny situations when you get things wrong :-)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm sure they are extraordinarily funny situations. Not.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> If I put people in the wrong 'box', this usually makes them more
>>>>>>>>>>>>> interesting to me. And I think that they know this too because they are
>>>>>>>>>>>>> doing the same thing!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't know... I don't like it.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> It can be a bit unsettling.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> And uncomfortable. It makes me so.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I will put you in a comfortable box then!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That sounds kinda nice.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ::puts emmel in a comfortable box::
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Neat. And Cosy. I like it.
>>>>>
>>>>> You can keep it and lay down in it whenever you feel uncosy!
>>>>> ::gives emmel the keys to the comfortable box::
>>>>
>>>> There are keys?
>>>
>>> Sure, so you don't lock yourself in. You want the keys right?
>>
>> Nope, I want a plasma gun. Oh, wait, I already have one of those. I
>> guess the keys will have to do then.
>
> Why would you take a plasma gun into your comfy box?
Can't you guess?
> Once you are in it you will never want to get out because outside of
> the box, well, things just suck.
Yeah. A lot.
I don't see the problem.
>>>>>>> If there is anything you can know about the future, it is that you can't
>>>>>>> know for sure.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Except what you do.
>>>>>
>>>>> You can't be sure your body does it right.
>>>>> Or you could change your mind at the last moment about something!
>>>>
>>>> But not about things I know.
>>>
>>> You think you know. But that is because you are young and inexperienced
>>> with life.
>>
>> Life. Don't talk to me about life.
>
> You eat.
> You sleep.
> You die.
Though not necessarily in that order.
>>> I know this can make you even more sad, but that is also because you
>>> are inexperienced with life.
>>
>> See above.
>>
>>> There will come a day when you will look down on yourself and just
>>> grasp it. Every piece of the puzzle will fall into place.
>>
>> And I'll realize they simply don't fit together.
>
> But they *do* fit together. It is just not easy to solve.
They don't. Trust me.
> Some people never solve their puzzle and die unhappy.
>
> Some people just die unhappy.
And then there is me...
>>> This is the moment of self-realization. And this will be the first step
>>> you take of many more to come.
>>
>> That sounds awfully stereotypic, you know.
>
> I didn't believe it either when I was your age.
Who says I ever intent to grow up?
>>> Trust me on this.
>>
>> Would it change a thing?
>
> It might make you curious enough to try and maybe proof me wrong some
> day.
OK, at this point I have no clue what we were actually talking about.
Neo
> Thus Neo spoke:
>
>> On 18-2-2010 19:51, emmel wrote:
>>> Thus Neo spoke:
>>>
>>>> On 14-2-2010 10:51, emmel wrote:
>>>>> Thus Neo spoke:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> IIRC the stable version of Ubuntu is newer than the stable from debian.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Very likely. They take stability serious.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But I still remember the GnuPG bug in Debian.
>>>>>
>>>>> Which effected Ubuntu just as well...
>>>>
>>>> Should have seen that coming...
>>>
>>> Yes, you should have.
>>
>> Well, since Debian just patches GnuPG themselves, I kind-of hoped
>> Ubuntu didn't do that.
>
> Ubuntu build upon Debian. Inclusing their patches.
If you say so.
I hardly use Ubuntu anyway. Only to download torrents at varying
intervals.
>>>>>> It is no use when you are stable, when the whole internet can hack the
>>>>>> stuffings out of you!
>>>>>
>>>>> Everyone makes mistakes. Most people just don't admit them. Have a look
>>>>> at all those zombie doze machines.
>>>>
>>>> And when did you figure that out. Welcome to the club ;-)
>>>>
>>>> ::embraces emmel::
>>>
>>> Erm, what?
>>
>> Everybody makes mistakes!
>> Important lesson of life #1.
>
> I don't. (But I do contradict myself!)
It is not a mistake, it's a feature!
>>>>>>>> And the unstable from debian is just too... unstable?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nah, not really. You don't have to use testing, but unstable is fine
>>>>>>> (and stable).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I also seem to remember that Ubuntu has more non-GPL software
>>>>>>>> (restricted).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And that's an advantage why exactly? Not to mention that you can always
>>>>>>> use additional repositories.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Because it is easy with Ubuntu?
>>>>>
>>>>> Easy? They make everything more difficult, unless you do things exactly
>>>>> their way.
>>>>
>>>> I am spoiled. I have been using MS-DOS since version 3.2. It has
>>>> affected the way I think about computers.
>>>
>>> It's like a freaking virus, it is.
>>
>> MS-DOS was pretty nice when you knew your way around in it.
>>
>> It is like BIOS in that respect.
>> Very small and very powerful for playing games.
>
> Useless for anything more complex than DOS games, though.
What is more complex than a DOS game I ask you?
>> DOS 3.2 fitted on a 320kB floppy. That that was *including* all the
>> tools like format.com that weren't loaded at boot time.
>
> Ha! CPM+ fit on a single sided 5.25" - and no fancy HD either.
In my limited experience, 3 1/2" disks had a higher failure rate.
>> I remember that it annoyed me how long the BIOS took to load on a
>> reboot. Look how fat it (MS-DOS) has become since...
>
> DOS is dead since Win2k.
Not until Windows XP, because Windows Me still booted from pure DOS.
>>>>>> I have a multitude of computers to maintain (not just my own). And
>>>>>> having an easy linux like Ubuntu makes me happy. I just hit the update
>>>>>> button and the thing figures out by itself what to grab and what to
>>>>>> install.
>>>>>
>>>>> So does Debian. It's their update system after all.
>>>>
>>>> Should have seen that coming also...
>>>
>>> Indeed.
>>
>> I still hope Ubuntu does things differently than Debian.
>> At least they have more money to hire programmers!
>
> I'd take Debian over Ubuntu every day. Ubuntu makes things shiny... By
> breaking everything that made Linux worth using.
I always end up wondering which OS would be harder to break for the
secretive agencies.
Then I realized they are all easy to break because they all have
updates you are forced to trust and install.
>>>>>>>>>>>> The silence after that was reassuring, they didn't try to sell me
>>>>>>>>>>>> anything after that.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Who would have thought...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Well, if I was right, it might be best for my relatives not to know who
>>>>>>>>>> so rudely called during the mourning process.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Plus, if I was lucky, I would be removed from the dreaded direct
>>>>>>>>>> marketing database they have!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> No use trying to sell items to a corpse.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Point. Except coffins and the like. And zombie caring kits...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Coffins by telemarketing. Now that is a scary branch of specialization!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Let's do it!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Hello there, it has come to our attention that you are about to die.
>>>>>> Yes, I'll hold. You see we have this great offer on coffins. Yes.
>>>>>> You'll look great in these. Yes. You'll be the envy of all the other
>>>>>> corpses. Yes. Dang, hang up on me. Again".
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, Stan did very well. Until the customers came back...
>>>>
>>>> Is this another obref?
>>>
>>> Monkey Island. 3/4.
>>
>> Yeah. I will probably never play it. But I understand why groups like
>> ALAMI do exist!
>>
>> I did play the first one and the second one I think.
>
> Well, 3 was good, too.
I'll probably never play it. Was that with le chuck and voodoo? I think
I saw my sister play that one. It started in a harbour.
>> And Loom.
>
> Ah, yes, Loom. You *do* realise that it was meant to be a trilogy,
> didn't you? Shame they never went through with it.
Well, 2D adventures are doomed anyway. Wait, make that just
'adventures'.
FPS games are doomed also btw.
How many FPS games can you play and still be as amazed as when you
played Doom 1?
It doesn't matter how pretty they make them. One FPS is the same as the
other.
>>>>>>>>>> But yes, that is a approach that would also work very well against
>>>>>>>>>> unwanted calls.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Very much. Although I guess there would be collateral damage.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Not so much damage, but you might as well not get a phone.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Too late, I'm afraid.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It is never too late to not get a phone! Arrrrg!
>>>>>
>>>>> Too late not to get one.
>>>>
>>>> I like mine better :-)
>>>
>>> ::shrugs::
>>
>> It is never too late to not get a phone! Arrrrg!
>
> Wishful thinking.
::calls emmel on the phone::
ring.. ring.. ring..
Hmm, no-one answers. Maybe I'll try later.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Plus you get funny situations when you get things wrong :-)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm sure they are extraordinarily funny situations. Not.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If I put people in the wrong 'box', this usually makes them more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> interesting to me. And I think that they know this too because they are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doing the same thing!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't know... I don't like it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> It can be a bit unsettling.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> And uncomfortable. It makes me so.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I will put you in a comfortable box then!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That sounds kinda nice.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ::puts emmel in a comfortable box::
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Neat. And Cosy. I like it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You can keep it and lay down in it whenever you feel uncosy!
>>>>>> ::gives emmel the keys to the comfortable box::
>>>>>
>>>>> There are keys?
>>>>
>>>> Sure, so you don't lock yourself in. You want the keys right?
>>>
>>> Nope, I want a plasma gun. Oh, wait, I already have one of those. I
>>> guess the keys will have to do then.
>>
>> Why would you take a plasma gun into your comfy box?
>
> Can't you guess?
To blow it too pieces? Have you any idea how unique that box is that I
gave you?
>> Once you are in it you will never want to get out because outside of
>> the box, well, things just suck.
>
> Yeah. A lot.
You can start by spending small amounts of time outside the box. Then a
bit longer each day till you feel you can coexist with reality.
I *like* being a creationist!
>>>>>>>> If there is anything you can know about the future, it is that you can't
>>>>>>>> know for sure.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Except what you do.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You can't be sure your body does it right.
>>>>>> Or you could change your mind at the last moment about something!
>>>>>
>>>>> But not about things I know.
>>>>
>>>> You think you know. But that is because you are young and inexperienced
>>>> with life.
>>>
>>> Life. Don't talk to me about life.
>>
>> You eat.
>> You sleep.
>> You die.
>
> Though not necessarily in that order.
True. Some people die the moment they leave high-school.
Walking zombies with miserable lives.
Well, it is not really my problem if they choose to be like that.
>>>> I know this can make you even more sad, but that is also because you
>>>> are inexperienced with life.
>>>
>>> See above.
>>>
>>>> There will come a day when you will look down on yourself and just
>>>> grasp it. Every piece of the puzzle will fall into place.
>>>
>>> And I'll realize they simply don't fit together.
>>
>> But they *do* fit together. It is just not easy to solve.
>
> They don't. Trust me.
>
>> Some people never solve their puzzle and die unhappy.
>>
>> Some people just die unhappy.
>
> And then there is me...
I like how you fail to die (up till now).
>>>> This is the moment of self-realization. And this will be the first step
>>>> you take of many more to come.
>>>
>>> That sounds awfully stereotypic, you know.
>>
>> I didn't believe it either when I was your age.
>
> Who says I ever intent to grow up?
Good point. Stay young forever! Young against old! Old people are all
fascists who deserve to lead miserable and repetitive lives!
emmel
> On 13-3-2010 20:58, emmel wrote:
>> Thus Neo spoke:
>>
>>>>>>> It is no use when you are stable, when the whole internet can hack the
>>>>>>> stuffings out of you!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Everyone makes mistakes. Most people just don't admit them. Have a look
>>>>>> at all those zombie doze machines.
>>>>>
>>>>> And when did you figure that out. Welcome to the club ;-)
>>>>>
>>>>> ::embraces emmel::
>>>>
>>>> Erm, what?
>>>
>>> Everybody makes mistakes!
>>> Important lesson of life #1.
>>
>> I don't. (But I do contradict myself!)
>
> It is not a mistake, it's a feature!
Old Unix wisdom, I think.
>>>>>>>>> And the unstable from debian is just too... unstable?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Nah, not really. You don't have to use testing, but unstable is fine
>>>>>>>> (and stable).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I also seem to remember that Ubuntu has more non-GPL software
>>>>>>>>> (restricted).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And that's an advantage why exactly? Not to mention that you can always
>>>>>>>> use additional repositories.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Because it is easy with Ubuntu?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Easy? They make everything more difficult, unless you do things exactly
>>>>>> their way.
>>>>>
>>>>> I am spoiled. I have been using MS-DOS since version 3.2. It has
>>>>> affected the way I think about computers.
>>>>
>>>> It's like a freaking virus, it is.
>>>
>>> MS-DOS was pretty nice when you knew your way around in it.
>>>
>>> It is like BIOS in that respect.
>>> Very small and very powerful for playing games.
>>
>> Useless for anything more complex than DOS games, though.
>
> What is more complex than a DOS game I ask you?
Just about anything that came after.
>>> DOS 3.2 fitted on a 320kB floppy. That that was *including* all the
>>> tools like format.com that weren't loaded at boot time.
>>
>> Ha! CPM+ fit on a single sided 5.25" - and no fancy HD either.
>
> In my limited experience, 3 1/2" disks had a higher failure rate.
Nah. Well, unless you didn't store them properly. The good old floppies
(5.25", that is) were a lot easier to ruin.
>>> I remember that it annoyed me how long the BIOS took to load on a
>>> reboot. Look how fat it (MS-DOS) has become since...
>>
>> DOS is dead since Win2k.
>
> Not until Windows XP, because Windows Me still booted from pure DOS.
Win2k = Windows 2000. WinMe was a beefed up 98, 2k was NT stock.
>>>>>>> I have a multitude of computers to maintain (not just my own). And
>>>>>>> having an easy linux like Ubuntu makes me happy. I just hit the update
>>>>>>> button and the thing figures out by itself what to grab and what to
>>>>>>> install.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So does Debian. It's their update system after all.
>>>>>
>>>>> Should have seen that coming also...
>>>>
>>>> Indeed.
>>>
>>> I still hope Ubuntu does things differently than Debian.
>>> At least they have more money to hire programmers!
>>
>> I'd take Debian over Ubuntu every day. Ubuntu makes things shiny... By
>> breaking everything that made Linux worth using.
>
> I always end up wondering which OS would be harder to break for the
> secretive agencies.
One which they could rely on to act in a specific way. Many different
OSes(?) are the best way to go, although it has been said Linux is the
incompatible with itself OS there is. Maybe that *does* count for
something. If you want security I'd opt for SELinux or BSD.
> Then I realized they are all easy to break because they all have
> updates you are forced to trust and install.
That is not true.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The silence after that was reassuring, they didn't try to sell me
>>>>>>>>>>>>> anything after that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Who would have thought...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Well, if I was right, it might be best for my relatives not to know who
>>>>>>>>>>> so rudely called during the mourning process.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Plus, if I was lucky, I would be removed from the dreaded direct
>>>>>>>>>>> marketing database they have!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> No use trying to sell items to a corpse.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Point. Except coffins and the like. And zombie caring kits...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Coffins by telemarketing. Now that is a scary branch of specialization!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Let's do it!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Hello there, it has come to our attention that you are about to die.
>>>>>>> Yes, I'll hold. You see we have this great offer on coffins. Yes.
>>>>>>> You'll look great in these. Yes. You'll be the envy of all the other
>>>>>>> corpses. Yes. Dang, hang up on me. Again".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, Stan did very well. Until the customers came back...
>>>>>
>>>>> Is this another obref?
>>>>
>>>> Monkey Island. 3/4.
>>>
>>> Yeah. I will probably never play it. But I understand why groups like
>>> ALAMI do exist!
>>>
>>> I did play the first one and the second one I think.
>>
>> Well, 3 was good, too.
>
> I'll probably never play it. Was that with le chuck and voodoo? I think
> I saw my sister play that one. It started in a harbour.
Each one was with LeChuck and Vodoo... And started *near* a harbour.
None started *in* a harbour, though. Well, not counting the intro I
guess. Well, technically it *did* start in a harbour after all...
>>> And Loom.
>>
>> Ah, yes, Loom. You *do* realise that it was meant to be a trilogy,
>> didn't you? Shame they never went through with it.
>
> Well, 2D adventures are doomed anyway. Wait, make that just
> 'adventures'.
Well, there are still a few out there. Syberia 3 is due this year, I
think remember reading...
> FPS games are doomed also btw.
>
> How many FPS games can you play and still be as amazed as when you
> played Doom 1?
Um... One?
> It doesn't matter how pretty they make them. One FPS is the same as the
> other.
Yup. Point, fire, kill.
>>>>>>>>> ::puts emmel in a comfortable box::
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Neat. And Cosy. I like it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You can keep it and lay down in it whenever you feel uncosy!
>>>>>>> ::gives emmel the keys to the comfortable box::
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There are keys?
>>>>>
>>>>> Sure, so you don't lock yourself in. You want the keys right?
>>>>
>>>> Nope, I want a plasma gun. Oh, wait, I already have one of those. I
>>>> guess the keys will have to do then.
>>>
>>> Why would you take a plasma gun into your comfy box?
>>
>> Can't you guess?
>
> To blow it too pieces? Have you any idea how unique that box is that I
> gave you?
Tsk. To snuggle up against, of course.
>>> Once you are in it you will never want to get out because outside of
>>> the box, well, things just suck.
>>
>> Yeah. A lot.
>
> You can start by spending small amounts of time outside the box. Then a
> bit longer each day till you feel you can coexist with reality.
Ah, but where's the fun in *that*?
> I *like* being a creationist!
Sorry, but that title has been claimed by total morons. Can't you think
of a different phrase?
>>>> Life. Don't talk to me about life.
>>>
>>> You eat.
>>> You sleep.
>>> You die.
>>
>> Though not necessarily in that order.
>
> True. Some people die the moment they leave high-school.
> Walking zombies with miserable lives.
>
> Well, it is not really my problem if they choose to be like that.
Zombie hunting!
>>> Some people never solve their puzzle and die unhappy.
>>>
>>> Some people just die unhappy.
>>
>> And then there is me...
>
> I like how you fail to die (up till now).
Me2!
(Okay, now you probably want to shoot me yourself...)
>>>>> This is the moment of self-realization. And this will be the first step
>>>>> you take of many more to come.
>>>>
>>>> That sounds awfully stereotypic, you know.
>>>
>>> I didn't believe it either when I was your age.
>>
>> Who says I ever intent to grow up?
>
> Good point. Stay young forever! Young against old! Old people are all
> fascists who deserve to lead miserable and repetitive lives!
What has growing up to do with age?
Neo
> Thus Neo spoke:
>
>> On 13-3-2010 20:58, emmel wrote:
>>> Thus Neo spoke:
>>>
>>>>>>>> It is no use when you are stable, when the whole internet can hack the
>>>>>>>> stuffings out of you!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Everyone makes mistakes. Most people just don't admit them. Have a look
>>>>>>> at all those zombie doze machines.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And when did you figure that out. Welcome to the club ;-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ::embraces emmel::
>>>>>
>>>>> Erm, what?
>>>>
>>>> Everybody makes mistakes!
>>>> Important lesson of life #1.
>>>
>>> I don't. (But I do contradict myself!)
>>
>> It is not a mistake, it's a feature!
>
> Old Unix wisdom, I think.
Microsoft wisdom I think.
Like Autorun.inf, ActiveX. That kind of thing.
>>>>>>>>>> And the unstable from debian is just too... unstable?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Nah, not really. You don't have to use testing, but unstable is fine
>>>>>>>>> (and stable).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I also seem to remember that Ubuntu has more non-GPL software
>>>>>>>>>> (restricted).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> And that's an advantage why exactly? Not to mention that you can always
>>>>>>>>> use additional repositories.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Because it is easy with Ubuntu?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Easy? They make everything more difficult, unless you do things exactly
>>>>>>> their way.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am spoiled. I have been using MS-DOS since version 3.2. It has
>>>>>> affected the way I think about computers.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's like a freaking virus, it is.
>>>>
>>>> MS-DOS was pretty nice when you knew your way around in it.
>>>>
>>>> It is like BIOS in that respect.
>>>> Very small and very powerful for playing games.
>>>
>>> Useless for anything more complex than DOS games, though.
>>
>> What is more complex than a DOS game I ask you?
>
> Just about anything that came after.
A DOS game can handle all the complexity a user needs to keep playing
though.
>>>> DOS 3.2 fitted on a 320kB floppy. That that was *including* all the
>>>> tools like format.com that weren't loaded at boot time.
>>>
>>> Ha! CPM+ fit on a single sided 5.25" - and no fancy HD either.
>>
>> In my limited experience, 3 1/2" disks had a higher failure rate.
>
> Nah. Well, unless you didn't store them properly. The good old floppies
> (5.25", that is) were a lot easier to ruin.
You obviously never had the metal part that shuts over the reading hole
(right?) stick inside your drive because it got bend.
5 1/4 disks could take a lot of abuse. If you didn't insert them
properly they could bend a lot and not lose any data because of the
bending!
>>>> I remember that it annoyed me how long the BIOS took to load on a
>>>> reboot. Look how fat it (MS-DOS) has become since...
>>>
>>> DOS is dead since Win2k.
>>
>> Not until Windows XP, because Windows Me still booted from pure DOS.
>
> Win2k = Windows 2000. WinMe was a beefed up 98, 2k was NT stock.
Windows XP had DirectX. Which came from Windows 95. IIRC.
>>>>>>>> I have a multitude of computers to maintain (not just my own). And
>>>>>>>> having an easy linux like Ubuntu makes me happy. I just hit the update
>>>>>>>> button and the thing figures out by itself what to grab and what to
>>>>>>>> install.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So does Debian. It's their update system after all.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Should have seen that coming also...
>>>>>
>>>>> Indeed.
>>>>
>>>> I still hope Ubuntu does things differently than Debian.
>>>> At least they have more money to hire programmers!
>>>
>>> I'd take Debian over Ubuntu every day. Ubuntu makes things shiny... By
>>> breaking everything that made Linux worth using.
>>
>> I always end up wondering which OS would be harder to break for the
>> secretive agencies.
>
> One which they could rely on to act in a specific way. Many different
> OSes(?) are the best way to go, although it has been said Linux is the
> incompatible with itself OS there is. Maybe that *does* count for
> something. If you want security I'd opt for SELinux or BSD.
But the NSA can spend billions on finding a flaw. And they only need
one to break into your computer.
I feel they have no right to mess inside my computer. They are just
like script-kiddies to me. Especially since the people that break in
didn't find the flaw themselves. They are just using an automated tool
to get in.
And once they are in, there is no telling what changes they will make
to it. An anonymous call to the police is enough to ruin your life for
years after.
>> Then I realized they are all easy to break because they all have
>> updates you are forced to trust and install.
>
> That is not true.
You mean: 'No security weaknesses in the default install'?
<snip>
>>>> And Loom.
>>>
>>> Ah, yes, Loom. You *do* realise that it was meant to be a trilogy,
>>> didn't you? Shame they never went through with it.
>>
>> Well, 2D adventures are doomed anyway. Wait, make that just
>> 'adventures'.
>
> Well, there are still a few out there. Syberia 3 is due this year, I
> think remember reading...
So are you going to play it?
>> FPS games are doomed also btw.
>>
>> How many FPS games can you play and still be as amazed as when you
>> played Doom 1?
>
> Um... One?
>
>> It doesn't matter how pretty they make them. One FPS is the same as the
>> other.
>
> Yup. Point, fire, kill.
Or Point, fire, miss, get killed yourself.
>>>>>>>>>> ::puts emmel in a comfortable box::
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Neat. And Cosy. I like it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You can keep it and lay down in it whenever you feel uncosy!
>>>>>>>> ::gives emmel the keys to the comfortable box::
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There are keys?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sure, so you don't lock yourself in. You want the keys right?
>>>>>
>>>>> Nope, I want a plasma gun. Oh, wait, I already have one of those. I
>>>>> guess the keys will have to do then.
>>>>
>>>> Why would you take a plasma gun into your comfy box?
>>>
>>> Can't you guess?
>>
>> To blow it too pieces? Have you any idea how unique that box is that I
>> gave you?
>
> Tsk. To snuggle up against, of course.
That is OK I guess.
>>>> Once you are in it you will never want to get out because outside of
>>>> the box, well, things just suck.
>>>
>>> Yeah. A lot.
>>
>> You can start by spending small amounts of time outside the box. Then a
>> bit longer each day till you feel you can coexist with reality.
>
> Ah, but where's the fun in *that*?
>
>> I *like* being a creationist!
>
> Sorry, but that title has been claimed by total morons. Can't you think
> of a different phrase?
How about an evolved creationist?
>>>>> Life. Don't talk to me about life.
>>>>
>>>> You eat.
>>>> You sleep.
>>>> You die.
>>>
>>> Though not necessarily in that order.
>>
>> True. Some people die the moment they leave high-school.
>> Walking zombies with miserable lives.
>>
>> Well, it is not really my problem if they choose to be like that.
>
> Zombie hunting!
Seems one of us played too many video games ;-)
>>>> Some people never solve their puzzle and die unhappy.
>>>>
>>>> Some people just die unhappy.
>>>
>>> And then there is me...
>>
>> I like how you fail to die (up till now).
>
> Me2!
> (Okay, now you probably want to shoot me yourself...)
Let me warn you: The challenge of killing yourself gets harder the
longer you keep failing at it! Gratz on failing!
>>>>>> This is the moment of self-realization. And this will be the first step
>>>>>> you take of many more to come.
>>>>>
>>>>> That sounds awfully stereotypic, you know.
>>>>
>>>> I didn't believe it either when I was your age.
>>>
>>> Who says I ever intent to grow up?
>>
>> Good point. Stay young forever! Young against old! Old people are all
>> fascists who deserve to lead miserable and repetitive lives!
>
> What has growing up to do with age?
They seem correlated.
emmel
> On 3-4-2010 17:40, emmel wrote:
>> Thus Neo spoke:
>>
>>> On 13-3-2010 20:58, emmel wrote:
>>>> Thus Neo spoke:
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It is no use when you are stable, when the whole internet can hack the
>>>>>>>>> stuffings out of you!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Everyone makes mistakes. Most people just don't admit them. Have a look
>>>>>>>> at all those zombie doze machines.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And when did you figure that out. Welcome to the club ;-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ::embraces emmel::
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Erm, what?
>>>>>
>>>>> Everybody makes mistakes!
>>>>> Important lesson of life #1.
>>>>
>>>> I don't. (But I do contradict myself!)
>>>
>>> It is not a mistake, it's a feature!
>>
>> Old Unix wisdom, I think.
>
> Microsoft wisdom I think.
>
> Like Autorun.inf, ActiveX. That kind of thing.
Nah, Microsoft never built in any features. For them there's 'intended
behaviour'.
>>>>>>>>>>> And the unstable from debian is just too... unstable?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Nah, not really. You don't have to use testing, but unstable is fine
>>>>>>>>>> (and stable).
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I also seem to remember that Ubuntu has more non-GPL software
>>>>>>>>>>> (restricted).
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> And that's an advantage why exactly? Not to mention that you can always
>>>>>>>>>> use additional repositories.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Because it is easy with Ubuntu?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Easy? They make everything more difficult, unless you do things exactly
>>>>>>>> their way.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am spoiled. I have been using MS-DOS since version 3.2. It has
>>>>>>> affected the way I think about computers.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's like a freaking virus, it is.
>>>>>
>>>>> MS-DOS was pretty nice when you knew your way around in it.
>>>>>
>>>>> It is like BIOS in that respect.
>>>>> Very small and very powerful for playing games.
>>>>
>>>> Useless for anything more complex than DOS games, though.
>>>
>>> What is more complex than a DOS game I ask you?
>>
>> Just about anything that came after.
>
> A DOS game can handle all the complexity a user needs to keep playing
> though.
Well, it did back in our time. Not any more it seems.
>>>>> DOS 3.2 fitted on a 320kB floppy. That that was *including* all the
>>>>> tools like format.com that weren't loaded at boot time.
>>>>
>>>> Ha! CPM+ fit on a single sided 5.25" - and no fancy HD either.
>>>
>>> In my limited experience, 3 1/2" disks had a higher failure rate.
>>
>> Nah. Well, unless you didn't store them properly. The good old floppies
>> (5.25", that is) were a lot easier to ruin.
>
> You obviously never had the metal part that shuts over the reading hole
> (right?) stick inside your drive because it got bend.
Once or twice. I have pliers, though.
> 5 1/4 disks could take a lot of abuse. If you didn't insert them
> properly they could bend a lot and not lose any data because of the
> bending!
Or get destroyed in the process...
>>>>> I remember that it annoyed me how long the BIOS took to load on a
>>>>> reboot. Look how fat it (MS-DOS) has become since...
>>>>
>>>> DOS is dead since Win2k.
>>>
>>> Not until Windows XP, because Windows Me still booted from pure DOS.
>>
>> Win2k = Windows 2000. WinMe was a beefed up 98, 2k was NT stock.
>
> Windows XP had DirectX. Which came from Windows 95. IIRC.
Well, they ported the API, I think. That has little to nothing to do
with the kernel, tough.
>>>>>>>>> I have a multitude of computers to maintain (not just my own). And
>>>>>>>>> having an easy linux like Ubuntu makes me happy. I just hit the update
>>>>>>>>> button and the thing figures out by itself what to grab and what to
>>>>>>>>> install.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So does Debian. It's their update system after all.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Should have seen that coming also...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Indeed.
>>>>>
>>>>> I still hope Ubuntu does things differently than Debian.
>>>>> At least they have more money to hire programmers!
>>>>
>>>> I'd take Debian over Ubuntu every day. Ubuntu makes things shiny... By
>>>> breaking everything that made Linux worth using.
>>>
>>> I always end up wondering which OS would be harder to break for the
>>> secretive agencies.
>>
>> One which they could rely on to act in a specific way. Many different
>> OSes(?) are the best way to go, although it has been said Linux is the
>> incompatible with itself OS there is. Maybe that *does* count for
>> something. If you want security I'd opt for SELinux or BSD.
>
> But the NSA can spend billions on finding a flaw. And they only need
> one to break into your computer.
They hate someone else doing it to their computers, though...
> I feel they have no right to mess inside my computer. They are just
> like script-kiddies to me. Especially since the people that break in
> didn't find the flaw themselves. They are just using an automated tool
> to get in.
The script kiddies, at least.
> And once they are in, there is no telling what changes they will make
> to it. An anonymous call to the police is enough to ruin your life for
> years after.
Indeed. But script kiddies can only deal with a specific system. Go
non-standard and they won't know what to do.
>>> Then I realized they are all easy to break because they all have
>>> updates you are forced to trust and install.
>>
>> That is not true.
>
> You mean: 'No security weaknesses in the default install'?
You do realise I use Slackware, don't you?
>>>>> And Loom.
>>>>
>>>> Ah, yes, Loom. You *do* realise that it was meant to be a trilogy,
>>>> didn't you? Shame they never went through with it.
>>>
>>> Well, 2D adventures are doomed anyway. Wait, make that just
>>> 'adventures'.
>>
>> Well, there are still a few out there. Syberia 3 is due this year, I
>> think remember reading...
>
> So are you going to play it?
When it comes out and I it's reasonably priced or I'm anxious enough.
Yes, very likely.
>>> FPS games are doomed also btw.
>>>
>>> How many FPS games can you play and still be as amazed as when you
>>> played Doom 1?
>>
>> Um... One?
>>
>>> It doesn't matter how pretty they make them. One FPS is the same as the
>>> other.
>>
>> Yup. Point, fire, kill.
>
> Or Point, fire, miss, get killed yourself.
That would be me...
>>>>>>>>>>> ::puts emmel in a comfortable box::
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Neat. And Cosy. I like it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You can keep it and lay down in it whenever you feel uncosy!
>>>>>>>>> ::gives emmel the keys to the comfortable box::
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There are keys?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sure, so you don't lock yourself in. You want the keys right?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nope, I want a plasma gun. Oh, wait, I already have one of those. I
>>>>>> guess the keys will have to do then.
>>>>>
>>>>> Why would you take a plasma gun into your comfy box?
>>>>
>>>> Can't you guess?
>>>
>>> To blow it too pieces? Have you any idea how unique that box is that I
>>> gave you?
>>
>> Tsk. To snuggle up against, of course.
>
> That is OK I guess.
It is?
>>>>> Once you are in it you will never want to get out because outside of
>>>>> the box, well, things just suck.
>>>>
>>>> Yeah. A lot.
>>>
>>> You can start by spending small amounts of time outside the box. Then a
>>> bit longer each day till you feel you can coexist with reality.
>>
>> Ah, but where's the fun in *that*?
>>
>>> I *like* being a creationist!
>>
>> Sorry, but that title has been claimed by total morons. Can't you think
>> of a different phrase?
>
> How about an evolved creationist?
How about 'true believer with brains'?
>>>>>> Life. Don't talk to me about life.
>>>>>
>>>>> You eat.
>>>>> You sleep.
>>>>> You die.
>>>>
>>>> Though not necessarily in that order.
>>>
>>> True. Some people die the moment they leave high-school.
>>> Walking zombies with miserable lives.
>>>
>>> Well, it is not really my problem if they choose to be like that.
>>
>> Zombie hunting!
>
> Seems one of us played too many video games ;-)
You do?
>>>>> Some people never solve their puzzle and die unhappy.
>>>>>
>>>>> Some people just die unhappy.
>>>>
>>>> And then there is me...
>>>
>>> I like how you fail to die (up till now).
>>
>> Me2!
>> (Okay, now you probably want to shoot me yourself...)
>
> Let me warn you: The challenge of killing yourself gets harder the
> longer you keep failing at it! Gratz on failing!
I don't plan on failing.
>>>>>>> This is the moment of self-realization. And this will be the first step
>>>>>>> you take of many more to come.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That sounds awfully stereotypic, you know.
>>>>>
>>>>> I didn't believe it either when I was your age.
>>>>
>>>> Who says I ever intent to grow up?
>>>
>>> Good point. Stay young forever! Young against old! Old people are all
>>> fascists who deserve to lead miserable and repetitive lives!
>>
>> What has growing up to do with age?
>
> They seem correlated.
Nah. Who told you that nonsense.
Neo
> Thus Neo spoke:
>
>> On 3-4-2010 17:40, emmel wrote:
>>> Thus Neo spoke:
>>>
>>>> On 13-3-2010 20:58, emmel wrote:
>>>>> Thus Neo spoke:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It is no use when you are stable, when the whole internet can hack the
>>>>>>>>>> stuffings out of you!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Everyone makes mistakes. Most people just don't admit them. Have a look
>>>>>>>>> at all those zombie doze machines.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And when did you figure that out. Welcome to the club ;-)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ::embraces emmel::
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Erm, what?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Everybody makes mistakes!
>>>>>> Important lesson of life #1.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't. (But I do contradict myself!)
>>>>
>>>> It is not a mistake, it's a feature!
>>>
>>> Old Unix wisdom, I think.
>>
>> Microsoft wisdom I think.
>>
>> Like Autorun.inf, ActiveX. That kind of thing.
>
> Nah, Microsoft never built in any features. For them there's 'intended
> behaviour'.
Intended behaviour. Except that they didn't realize them at the time
they coded it!
>>>>>>>>>>>> And the unstable from debian is just too... unstable?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Nah, not really. You don't have to use testing, but unstable is fine
>>>>>>>>>>> (and stable).
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I also seem to remember that Ubuntu has more non-GPL software
>>>>>>>>>>>> (restricted).
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> And that's an advantage why exactly? Not to mention that you can always
>>>>>>>>>>> use additional repositories.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Because it is easy with Ubuntu?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Easy? They make everything more difficult, unless you do things exactly
>>>>>>>>> their way.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I am spoiled. I have been using MS-DOS since version 3.2. It has
>>>>>>>> affected the way I think about computers.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's like a freaking virus, it is.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> MS-DOS was pretty nice when you knew your way around in it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It is like BIOS in that respect.
>>>>>> Very small and very powerful for playing games.
>>>>>
>>>>> Useless for anything more complex than DOS games, though.
>>>>
>>>> What is more complex than a DOS game I ask you?
>>>
>>> Just about anything that came after.
>>
>> A DOS game can handle all the complexity a user needs to keep playing
>> though.
>
> Well, it did back in our time. Not any more it seems.
I am playing pokemon heartgold atm.
The complexity suits me fine :-)
>>>>>> DOS 3.2 fitted on a 320kB floppy. That that was *including* all the
>>>>>> tools like format.com that weren't loaded at boot time.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ha! CPM+ fit on a single sided 5.25" - and no fancy HD either.
>>>>
>>>> In my limited experience, 3 1/2" disks had a higher failure rate.
>>>
>>> Nah. Well, unless you didn't store them properly. The good old floppies
>>> (5.25", that is) were a lot easier to ruin.
>>
>> You obviously never had the metal part that shuts over the reading hole
>> (right?) stick inside your drive because it got bend.
>
> Once or twice. I have pliers, though.
I remember myself cursing.
>>>>>> I remember that it annoyed me how long the BIOS took to load on a
>>>>>> reboot. Look how fat it (MS-DOS) has become since...
>>>>>
>>>>> DOS is dead since Win2k.
>>>>
>>>> Not until Windows XP, because Windows Me still booted from pure DOS.
>>>
>>> Win2k = Windows 2000. WinMe was a beefed up 98, 2k was NT stock.
>>
>> Windows XP had DirectX. Which came from Windows 95. IIRC.
>
> Well, they ported the API, I think. That has little to nothing to do
> with the kernel, tough.
I have to correct myself: Windows 2000 was Windows NT and Windows 9x
merged!
I can tell because I have retro games that run on W2K.
Moving away from OpenGL was a mistake of course. But Microsoft has a
history of attempted murder on anything they don't own the rights to.
It is a small wonder linux is doing so well!
>>>>>>>>>> I have a multitude of computers to maintain (not just my own). And
>>>>>>>>>> having an easy linux like Ubuntu makes me happy. I just hit the update
>>>>>>>>>> button and the thing figures out by itself what to grab and what to
>>>>>>>>>> install.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So does Debian. It's their update system after all.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Should have seen that coming also...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Indeed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I still hope Ubuntu does things differently than Debian.
>>>>>> At least they have more money to hire programmers!
>>>>>
>>>>> I'd take Debian over Ubuntu every day. Ubuntu makes things shiny... By
>>>>> breaking everything that made Linux worth using.
>>>>
>>>> I always end up wondering which OS would be harder to break for the
>>>> secretive agencies.
>>>
>>> One which they could rely on to act in a specific way. Many different
>>> OSes(?) are the best way to go, although it has been said Linux is the
>>> incompatible with itself OS there is. Maybe that *does* count for
>>> something. If you want security I'd opt for SELinux or BSD.
>>
>> But the NSA can spend billions on finding a flaw. And they only need
>> one to break into your computer.
>
> They hate someone else doing it to their computers, though...
Not exactly.
I can imaging the TLA setting up a front in order to provoke attacks on
it.
When the attacks actually succeed, they learn and use the attack
themselves.
>> And once they are in, there is no telling what changes they will make
>> to it. An anonymous call to the police is enough to ruin your life for
>> years after.
>
> Indeed. But script kiddies can only deal with a specific system. Go
> non-standard and they won't know what to do.
Put the PWN button in a different spot and they would be totally lost
because it isn't in their 133t h4ck3rs manual :-)
>>>> Then I realized they are all easy to break because they all have
>>>> updates you are forced to trust and install.
>>>
>>> That is not true.
>>
>> You mean: 'No security weaknesses in the default install'?
>
> You do realise I use Slackware, don't you?
I pondered about slackware, but it seemed to PITA to set up to me.
Not that I don't like PITA! But there has to be some reward for all my
trouble.
And since gaming ties me to a certain OS...
>>>>>> And Loom.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ah, yes, Loom. You *do* realise that it was meant to be a trilogy,
>>>>> didn't you? Shame they never went through with it.
>>>>
>>>> Well, 2D adventures are doomed anyway. Wait, make that just
>>>> 'adventures'.
>>>
>>> Well, there are still a few out there. Syberia 3 is due this year, I
>>> think remember reading...
>>
>> So are you going to play it?
>
> When it comes out and I it's reasonably priced or I'm anxious enough.
> Yes, very likely.
You would have to stay alive though.
>>>> FPS games are doomed also btw.
>>>>
>>>> How many FPS games can you play and still be as amazed as when you
>>>> played Doom 1?
>>>
>>> Um... One?
>>>
>>>> It doesn't matter how pretty they make them. One FPS is the same as the
>>>> other.
>>>
>>> Yup. Point, fire, kill.
>>
>> Or Point, fire, miss, get killed yourself.
>
> That would be me...
It is the more fun way.
I see it as a challenge to get myself killed slightly later than usual
<g>.
>>>>>>>>>>>> ::puts emmel in a comfortable box::
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Neat. And Cosy. I like it.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You can keep it and lay down in it whenever you feel uncosy!
>>>>>>>>>> ::gives emmel the keys to the comfortable box::
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> There are keys?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sure, so you don't lock yourself in. You want the keys right?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nope, I want a plasma gun. Oh, wait, I already have one of those. I
>>>>>>> guess the keys will have to do then.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why would you take a plasma gun into your comfy box?
>>>>>
>>>>> Can't you guess?
>>>>
>>>> To blow it too pieces? Have you any idea how unique that box is that I
>>>> gave you?
>>>
>>> Tsk. To snuggle up against, of course.
>>
>> That is OK I guess.
>
> It is?
As long as you put the safety on.
>>>>>> Once you are in it you will never want to get out because outside of
>>>>>> the box, well, things just suck.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yeah. A lot.
>>>>
>>>> You can start by spending small amounts of time outside the box. Then a
>>>> bit longer each day till you feel you can coexist with reality.
>>>
>>> Ah, but where's the fun in *that*?
>>>
>>>> I *like* being a creationist!
>>>
>>> Sorry, but that title has been claimed by total morons. Can't you think
>>> of a different phrase?
>>
>> How about an evolved creationist?
>
> How about 'true believer with brains'?
Nah, that sounds like I want some credits for my believe.
A true believer is satisfied with being a true believer and knowing his
fate is true. He doesn't call himself a true believer because that is
highly subjective to other people.
It would be like:
GOD'S TRUE AND ONLY DISCIPLES
IOW, Major PWNage.
>>>>>>> Life. Don't talk to me about life.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You eat.
>>>>>> You sleep.
>>>>>> You die.
>>>>>
>>>>> Though not necessarily in that order.
>>>>
>>>> True. Some people die the moment they leave high-school.
>>>> Walking zombies with miserable lives.
>>>>
>>>> Well, it is not really my problem if they choose to be like that.
>>>
>>> Zombie hunting!
>>
>> Seems one of us played too many video games ;-)
>
> You do?
Too many perhaps. But never enough!!!
>>>>>> Some people never solve their puzzle and die unhappy.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Some people just die unhappy.
>>>>>
>>>>> And then there is me...
>>>>
>>>> I like how you fail to die (up till now).
>>>
>>> Me2!
>>> (Okay, now you probably want to shoot me yourself...)
>>
>> Let me warn you: The challenge of killing yourself gets harder the
>> longer you keep failing at it! Gratz on failing!
>
> I don't plan on failing.
As long as it keeps you alive. Seeing you post each week keeps being a
nice surprise.
>>>>>>>> This is the moment of self-realization. And this will be the first step
>>>>>>>> you take of many more to come.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That sounds awfully stereotypic, you know.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I didn't believe it either when I was your age.
>>>>>
>>>>> Who says I ever intent to grow up?
>>>>
>>>> Good point. Stay young forever! Young against old! Old people are all
>>>> fascists who deserve to lead miserable and repetitive lives!
>>>
>>> What has growing up to do with age?
>>
>> They seem correlated.
>
> Nah. Who told you that nonsense.
Growing up is your parents no longer caring for you the way that they
used to.
emmel
> On 11-4-2010 15:22, emmel wrote:
>> Thus Neo spoke:
>>
>>>>> It is not a mistake, it's a feature!
>>>>
>>>> Old Unix wisdom, I think.
>>>
>>> Microsoft wisdom I think.
>>>
>>> Like Autorun.inf, ActiveX. That kind of thing.
>>
>> Nah, Microsoft never built in any features. For them there's 'intended
>> behaviour'.
>
> Intended behaviour. Except that they didn't realize them at the time
> they coded it!
What has that to do with anything?
>>>>> What is more complex than a DOS game I ask you?
>>>>
>>>> Just about anything that came after.
>>>
>>> A DOS game can handle all the complexity a user needs to keep playing
>>> though.
>>
>> Well, it did back in our time. Not any more it seems.
>
> I am playing pokemon heartgold atm.
>
> The complexity suits me fine :-)
Knock yourself out.
>>>>>>> DOS 3.2 fitted on a 320kB floppy. That that was *including* all the
>>>>>>> tools like format.com that weren't loaded at boot time.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ha! CPM+ fit on a single sided 5.25" - and no fancy HD either.
>>>>>
>>>>> In my limited experience, 3 1/2" disks had a higher failure rate.
>>>>
>>>> Nah. Well, unless you didn't store them properly. The good old floppies
>>>> (5.25", that is) were a lot easier to ruin.
>>>
>>> You obviously never had the metal part that shuts over the reading hole
>>> (right?) stick inside your drive because it got bend.
>>
>> Once or twice. I have pliers, though.
>
> I remember myself cursing.
Cussing. There's a difference. Mainly in the effectiveness.
>>>>>>> I remember that it annoyed me how long the BIOS took to load on a
>>>>>>> reboot. Look how fat it (MS-DOS) has become since...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> DOS is dead since Win2k.
>>>>>
>>>>> Not until Windows XP, because Windows Me still booted from pure DOS.
>>>>
>>>> Win2k = Windows 2000. WinMe was a beefed up 98, 2k was NT stock.
>>>
>>> Windows XP had DirectX. Which came from Windows 95. IIRC.
>>
>> Well, they ported the API, I think. That has little to nothing to do
>> with the kernel, tough.
>
> I have to correct myself: Windows 2000 was Windows NT and Windows 9x
> merged!
Actually not. It was NT. 9x was scrapped and rightly so.
> I can tell because I have retro games that run on W2K.
>
> Moving away from OpenGL was a mistake of course. But Microsoft has a
> history of attempted murder on anything they don't own the rights to.
> It is a small wonder linux is doing so well!
Well, there was that problem with committee steered development
hampering down the speed new features were introduced. Kinda like with
debian. There wouldn't be that many distributions if they had managed to
iron that one out. Actually, there would probably just be Slackware,
Debian and LFS...
>>>> One which they could rely on to act in a specific way. Many different
>>>> OSes(?) are the best way to go, although it has been said Linux is the
>>>> incompatible with itself OS there is. Maybe that *does* count for
>>>> something. If you want security I'd opt for SELinux or BSD.
>>>
>>> But the NSA can spend billions on finding a flaw. And they only need
>>> one to break into your computer.
>>
>> They hate someone else doing it to their computers, though...
>
> Not exactly.
Exactly.
> I can imaging the TLA setting up a front in order to provoke attacks on
> it.
That's a honeycomb. Not the same as an actual production system.
> When the attacks actually succeed, they learn and use the attack
> themselves.
More like hire or vanish the attackers.
>>> And once they are in, there is no telling what changes they will make
>>> to it. An anonymous call to the police is enough to ruin your life for
>>> years after.
>>
>> Indeed. But script kiddies can only deal with a specific system. Go
>> non-standard and they won't know what to do.
>
> Put the PWN button in a different spot and they would be totally lost
> because it isn't in their 133t h4ck3rs manual :-)
Except script kiddies don't even know 1337 any more nowadays.
>>>>> Then I realized they are all easy to break because they all have
>>>>> updates you are forced to trust and install.
>>>>
>>>> That is not true.
>>>
>>> You mean: 'No security weaknesses in the default install'?
>>
>> You do realise I use Slackware, don't you?
>
> I pondered about slackware, but it seemed to PITA to set up to me.
>
> Not that I don't like PITA! But there has to be some reward for all my
> trouble.
>
> And since gaming ties me to a certain OS...
Yeah, yeah. It makes for a great work system, though. Most of my stuff
got written on Slackware, you know. The first bits on DOS, though...
'Cause a 286 can't run Linux.
>>>> Well, there are still a few out there. Syberia 3 is due this year, I
>>>> think remember reading...
>>>
>>> So are you going to play it?
>>
>> When it comes out and I it's reasonably priced or I'm anxious enough.
>> Yes, very likely.
>
> You would have to stay alive though.
There is that. Well, I guess there's another thing for the 'stuff that
makes living seem the better option' list.
>>>> Yup. Point, fire, kill.
>>>
>>> Or Point, fire, miss, get killed yourself.
>>
>> That would be me...
>
> It is the more fun way.
Especially with rocket throwers. And quad damage. Awesome. (Actually I
remember that being the only way to get to a hidden place on one of the
Quake 3 maps. Armour helped a lot to get the actual benefits of that.)
> I see it as a challenge to get myself killed slightly later than usual
><g>.
Sounds good to me.
>>>>>>> Why would you take a plasma gun into your comfy box?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Can't you guess?
>>>>>
>>>>> To blow it too pieces? Have you any idea how unique that box is that I
>>>>> gave you?
>>>>
>>>> Tsk. To snuggle up against, of course.
>>>
>>> That is OK I guess.
>>
>> It is?
>
> As long as you put the safety on.
What safety?
>>>>>>> Once you are in it you will never want to get out because outside of
>>>>>>> the box, well, things just suck.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yeah. A lot.
>>>>>
>>>>> You can start by spending small amounts of time outside the box. Then a
>>>>> bit longer each day till you feel you can coexist with reality.
>>>>
>>>> Ah, but where's the fun in *that*?
>>>>
>>>>> I *like* being a creationist!
>>>>
>>>> Sorry, but that title has been claimed by total morons. Can't you think
>>>> of a different phrase?
>>>
>>> How about an evolved creationist?
>>
>> How about 'true believer with brains'?
>
> Nah, that sounds like I want some credits for my believe.
Not if you don't say it yourself.
> A true believer is satisfied with being a true believer and knowing his
> fate is true. He doesn't call himself a true believer because that is
> highly subjective to other people.
Only when specifying the believe.
> It would be like:
> GOD'S TRUE AND ONLY DISCIPLES
>
> IOW, Major PWNage.
Holy war!
>> You do?
>
> Too many perhaps. But never enough!!!
<bg>
>>>>>>> Some people never solve their puzzle and die unhappy.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Some people just die unhappy.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And then there is me...
>>>>>
>>>>> I like how you fail to die (up till now).
>>>>
>>>> Me2!
>>>> (Okay, now you probably want to shoot me yourself...)
>>>
>>> Let me warn you: The challenge of killing yourself gets harder the
>>> longer you keep failing at it! Gratz on failing!
>>
>> I don't plan on failing.
>
> As long as it keeps you alive. Seeing you post each week keeps being a
> nice surprise.
A surprise? I've been doing that for... Ages!
>>>> What has growing up to do with age?
>>>
>>> They seem correlated.
>>
>> Nah. Who told you that nonsense.
>
> Growing up is your parents no longer caring for you the way that they
> used to.
You wish.
Neo
> Thus Neo spoke:
>
>> On 11-4-2010 15:22, emmel wrote:
>>> Thus Neo spoke:
>>>
>>>>>> It is not a mistake, it's a feature!
>>>>>
>>>>> Old Unix wisdom, I think.
>>>>
>>>> Microsoft wisdom I think.
>>>>
>>>> Like Autorun.inf, ActiveX. That kind of thing.
>>>
>>> Nah, Microsoft never built in any features. For them there's 'intended
>>> behaviour'.
>>
>> Intended behaviour. Except that they didn't realize them at the time
>> they coded it!
>
> What has that to do with anything?
It is like they code something, which turns out to be flawed.
Then they reinvent the flaw and turn it into a feature.
Then they praise themselves for being the only one with the feature.
Then they patent it to make sure no-one copies it.
That is Microsoft for you! Anyone could do it!
But they would buy out your corporation of course...
>>>>>> What is more complex than a DOS game I ask you?
>>>>>
>>>>> Just about anything that came after.
>>>>
>>>> A DOS game can handle all the complexity a user needs to keep playing
>>>> though.
>>>
>>> Well, it did back in our time. Not any more it seems.
>>
>> I am playing pokemon heartgold atm.
>>
>> The complexity suits me fine :-)
>
> Knock yourself out.
I think I already put about 20 hours into my savegame.
I don't know if I'll finish the game, but I am not resetting the
cartridge for my gf to play it. She'll have to buy a new one :-)
Preferably the Soulsilver version!!
>>>>>>>> DOS 3.2 fitted on a 320kB floppy. That that was *including* all the
>>>>>>>> tools like format.com that weren't loaded at boot time.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ha! CPM+ fit on a single sided 5.25" - and no fancy HD either.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In my limited experience, 3 1/2" disks had a higher failure rate.
>>>>>
>>>>> Nah. Well, unless you didn't store them properly. The good old floppies
>>>>> (5.25", that is) were a lot easier to ruin.
>>>>
>>>> You obviously never had the metal part that shuts over the reading hole
>>>> (right?) stick inside your drive because it got bend.
>>>
>>> Once or twice. I have pliers, though.
>>
>> I remember myself cursing.
>
> Cussing. There's a difference. Mainly in the effectiveness.
Cussing increases your chances of getting the floppy out in one piece?
>>>>>>>> I remember that it annoyed me how long the BIOS took to load on a
>>>>>>>> reboot. Look how fat it (MS-DOS) has become since...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> DOS is dead since Win2k.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not until Windows XP, because Windows Me still booted from pure DOS.
>>>>>
>>>>> Win2k = Windows 2000. WinMe was a beefed up 98, 2k was NT stock.
>>>>
>>>> Windows XP had DirectX. Which came from Windows 95. IIRC.
>>>
>>> Well, they ported the API, I think. That has little to nothing to do
>>> with the kernel, tough.
>>
>> I have to correct myself: Windows 2000 was Windows NT and Windows 9x
>> merged!
>
> Actually not. It was NT. 9x was scrapped and rightly so.
But NT didn't have Direct3D. Which 95 did.
Since 95 was also on the home computer generally, and games are played
at home (not at work, except maybe solitaire and minesweeper)...
>> I can tell because I have retro games that run on W2K.
>>
>> Moving away from OpenGL was a mistake of course. But Microsoft has a
>> history of attempted murder on anything they don't own the rights to.
>> It is a small wonder linux is doing so well!
>
> Well, there was that problem with committee steered development
> hampering down the speed new features were introduced. Kinda like with
> debian. There wouldn't be that many distributions if they had managed to
> iron that one out. Actually, there would probably just be Slackware,
> Debian and LFS...
I feel I need a 2-4 year old computer to run Ubuntu optimally. But I
don't know a shop where they keep new computer on the shelves for that
long.
>>>>> One which they could rely on to act in a specific way. Many different
>>>>> OSes(?) are the best way to go, although it has been said Linux is the
>>>>> incompatible with itself OS there is. Maybe that *does* count for
>>>>> something. If you want security I'd opt for SELinux or BSD.
>>>>
>>>> But the NSA can spend billions on finding a flaw. And they only need
>>>> one to break into your computer.
>>>
>>> They hate someone else doing it to their computers, though...
>>
>> Not exactly.
>
> Exactly.
>
>> I can imaging the TLA setting up a front in order to provoke attacks on
>> it.
>
> That's a honeycomb. Not the same as an actual production system.
The system can be both.
Let's just hope they don't put their most secret information behind a
HTTPS interface though.
>> When the attacks actually succeed, they learn and use the attack
>> themselves.
>
> More like hire or vanish the attackers.
It is the vanish bit that I don't like.
I would never want to be a part of that (if I were skilled in the
things they are looking for).
>>>>>> Then I realized they are all easy to break because they all have
>>>>>> updates you are forced to trust and install.
>>>>>
>>>>> That is not true.
>>>>
>>>> You mean: 'No security weaknesses in the default install'?
>>>
>>> You do realise I use Slackware, don't you?
>>
>> I pondered about slackware, but it seemed to PITA to set up to me.
>>
>> Not that I don't like PITA! But there has to be some reward for all my
>> trouble.
>>
>> And since gaming ties me to a certain OS...
>
> Yeah, yeah. It makes for a great work system, though. Most of my stuff
> got written on Slackware, you know. The first bits on DOS, though...
> 'Cause a 286 can't run Linux.
I stopped coding two years after I started studying computer science.
>>>>> Well, there are still a few out there. Syberia 3 is due this year, I
>>>>> think remember reading...
>>>>
>>>> So are you going to play it?
>>>
>>> When it comes out and I it's reasonably priced or I'm anxious enough.
>>> Yes, very likely.
>>
>> You would have to stay alive though.
>
> There is that. Well, I guess there's another thing for the 'stuff that
> makes living seem the better option' list.
It better not disappoint you when it gets released then.
>>>>> Yup. Point, fire, kill.
>>>>
>>>> Or Point, fire, miss, get killed yourself.
>>>
>>> That would be me...
>>
>> It is the more fun way.
>
> Especially with rocket throwers. And quad damage. Awesome. (Actually I
> remember that being the only way to get to a hidden place on one of the
> Quake 3 maps. Armour helped a lot to get the actual benefits of that.)
Which map? I have a friend who spends all his free time fragging Quake
III on a new Mac Mini (9400M graphics card).
>> I see it as a challenge to get myself killed slightly later than usual
>> <g>.
>
> Sounds good to me.
Well, if a real soldier would play like you play Quake to win, war would
be a very short game for him :-)
What is normal for a game of Quake III? 10-15 minutes and dying at
least 5-10 times if you want to end up on the podium?
>>>>>>>> Why would you take a plasma gun into your comfy box?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Can't you guess?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> To blow it too pieces? Have you any idea how unique that box is that I
>>>>>> gave you?
>>>>>
>>>>> Tsk. To snuggle up against, of course.
>>>>
>>>> That is OK I guess.
>>>
>>> It is?
>>
>> As long as you put the safety on.
>
> What safety?
The part of the gun that keeps you safe!
>>>>>>>> Some people never solve their puzzle and die unhappy.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Some people just die unhappy.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And then there is me...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I like how you fail to die (up till now).
>>>>>
>>>>> Me2!
>>>>> (Okay, now you probably want to shoot me yourself...)
>>>>
>>>> Let me warn you: The challenge of killing yourself gets harder the
>>>> longer you keep failing at it! Gratz on failing!
>>>
>>> I don't plan on failing.
>>
>> As long as it keeps you alive. Seeing you post each week keeps being a
>> nice surprise.
>
> A surprise? I've been doing that for... Ages!
You are such a bore! Predictable like the decay of the element they use
inside an atomic clock.
>>>>> What has growing up to do with age?
>>>>
>>>> They seem correlated.
>>>
>>> Nah. Who told you that nonsense.
>>
>> Growing up is your parents no longer caring for you the way that they
>> used to.
>
> You wish.
Mothers are great.
Or I am told.
But I firmly believe so!
So keep your mother willing to care about you.
emmel
> On 18-4-2010 20:49, emmel wrote:
>> Thus Neo spoke:
>>
>>> On 11-4-2010 15:22, emmel wrote:
>>>> Thus Neo spoke:
>>>>
>>>>>>> It is not a mistake, it's a feature!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Old Unix wisdom, I think.
>>>>>
>>>>> Microsoft wisdom I think.
>>>>>
>>>>> Like Autorun.inf, ActiveX. That kind of thing.
>>>>
>>>> Nah, Microsoft never built in any features. For them there's 'intended
>>>> behaviour'.
>>>
>>> Intended behaviour. Except that they didn't realize them at the time
>>> they coded it!
>>
>> What has that to do with anything?
>
> It is like they code something, which turns out to be flawed.
>
> Then they reinvent the flaw and turn it into a feature.
>
> Then they praise themselves for being the only one with the feature.
>
> Then they patent it to make sure no-one copies it.
>
> That is Microsoft for you! Anyone could do it!
Of course not. It's patented after all.
> But they would buy out your corporation of course...
Sue you out of your pants, you mean.
Still doesn't explain why intended behaviour ought have anything to do
with what the programmers were expecting to happen.
>>>>>>> What is more complex than a DOS game I ask you?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just about anything that came after.
>>>>>
>>>>> A DOS game can handle all the complexity a user needs to keep playing
>>>>> though.
>>>>
>>>> Well, it did back in our time. Not any more it seems.
>>>
>>> I am playing pokemon heartgold atm.
>>>
>>> The complexity suits me fine :-)
>>
>> Knock yourself out.
>
> I think I already put about 20 hours into my savegame.
>
> I don't know if I'll finish the game, but I am not resetting the
> cartridge for my gf to play it. She'll have to buy a new one :-)
> Preferably the Soulsilver version!!
I'm having a Deja-vú...
>>>>>>>>> DOS 3.2 fitted on a 320kB floppy. That that was *including* all the
>>>>>>>>> tools like format.com that weren't loaded at boot time.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ha! CPM+ fit on a single sided 5.25" - and no fancy HD either.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In my limited experience, 3 1/2" disks had a higher failure rate.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nah. Well, unless you didn't store them properly. The good old floppies
>>>>>> (5.25", that is) were a lot easier to ruin.
>>>>>
>>>>> You obviously never had the metal part that shuts over the reading hole
>>>>> (right?) stick inside your drive because it got bend.
>>>>
>>>> Once or twice. I have pliers, though.
>>>
>>> I remember myself cursing.
>>
>> Cussing. There's a difference. Mainly in the effectiveness.
>
> Cussing increases your chances of getting the floppy out in one piece?
Hm... Did that same cat just walk by twice?
>>>>>>>>> I remember that it annoyed me how long the BIOS took to load on a
>>>>>>>>> reboot. Look how fat it (MS-DOS) has become since...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> DOS is dead since Win2k.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Not until Windows XP, because Windows Me still booted from pure DOS.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Win2k = Windows 2000. WinMe was a beefed up 98, 2k was NT stock.
>>>>>
>>>>> Windows XP had DirectX. Which came from Windows 95. IIRC.
>>>>
>>>> Well, they ported the API, I think. That has little to nothing to do
>>>> with the kernel, tough.
>>>
>>> I have to correct myself: Windows 2000 was Windows NT and Windows 9x
>>> merged!
>>
>> Actually not. It was NT. 9x was scrapped and rightly so.
>
> But NT didn't have Direct3D. Which 95 did.
>
> Since 95 was also on the home computer generally, and games are played
> at home (not at work, except maybe solitaire and minesweeper)...
Ah! It's a glitch in the Matrix! And it reads 95!
>>> I can tell because I have retro games that run on W2K.
>>>
>>> Moving away from OpenGL was a mistake of course. But Microsoft has a
>>> history of attempted murder on anything they don't own the rights to.
>>> It is a small wonder linux is doing so well!
>>
>> Well, there was that problem with committee steered development
>> hampering down the speed new features were introduced. Kinda like with
>> debian. There wouldn't be that many distributions if they had managed to
>> iron that one out. Actually, there would probably just be Slackware,
>> Debian and LFS...
>
> I feel I need a 2-4 year old computer to run Ubuntu optimally. But I
> don't know a shop where they keep new computer on the shelves for that
> long.
Should run just fine on current hardware...
>>> I can imaging the TLA setting up a front in order to provoke attacks on
>>> it.
>>
>> That's a honeycomb. Not the same as an actual production system.
>
> The system can be both.
>
> Let's just hope they don't put their most secret information behind a
> HTTPS interface though.
HTTPS? I should hope not!
>>> When the attacks actually succeed, they learn and use the attack
>>> themselves.
>>
>> More like hire or vanish the attackers.
>
> It is the vanish bit that I don't like.
>
> I would never want to be a part of that (if I were skilled in the
> things they are looking for).
There are rumours the pay is good.
>>>>>>> Then I realized they are all easy to break because they all have
>>>>>>> updates you are forced to trust and install.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That is not true.
>>>>>
>>>>> You mean: 'No security weaknesses in the default install'?
>>>>
>>>> You do realise I use Slackware, don't you?
>>>
>>> I pondered about slackware, but it seemed to PITA to set up to me.
>>>
>>> Not that I don't like PITA! But there has to be some reward for all my
>>> trouble.
>>>
>>> And since gaming ties me to a certain OS...
>>
>> Yeah, yeah. It makes for a great work system, though. Most of my stuff
>> got written on Slackware, you know. The first bits on DOS, though...
>> 'Cause a 286 can't run Linux.
>
> I stopped coding two years after I started studying computer science.
What a shame. All those people believing computational sciences are
about computers...
>>>>>> Well, there are still a few out there. Syberia 3 is due this year, I
>>>>>> think remember reading...
>>>>>
>>>>> So are you going to play it?
>>>>
>>>> When it comes out and I it's reasonably priced or I'm anxious enough.
>>>> Yes, very likely.
>>>
>>> You would have to stay alive though.
>>
>> There is that. Well, I guess there's another thing for the 'stuff that
>> makes living seem the better option' list.
>
> It better not disappoint you when it gets released then.
Nah, I don't think so. They've done a pretty good job so far.
>>>>>> Yup. Point, fire, kill.
>>>>>
>>>>> Or Point, fire, miss, get killed yourself.
>>>>
>>>> That would be me...
>>>
>>> It is the more fun way.
>>
>> Especially with rocket throwers. And quad damage. Awesome. (Actually I
>> remember that being the only way to get to a hidden place on one of the
>> Quake 3 maps. Armour helped a lot to get the actual benefits of that.)
>
> Which map? I have a friend who spends all his free time fragging Quake
> III on a new Mac Mini (9400M graphics card).
Sorry, can't remember the name. It was the one with the huge outside
with plenty of lava and a two level inside. The basement had a long
bridge over lava with a goodie in the middle and large axe/hammers
swinging across in on either sides. Does that ring a bell?
>>> I see it as a challenge to get myself killed slightly later than usual
>>> <g>.
>>
>> Sounds good to me.
>
> Well, if a real soldier would play like you play Quake to win, war would
> be a very short game for him :-)
>
> What is normal for a game of Quake III? 10-15 minutes and dying at
> least 5-10 times if you want to end up on the podium?
Depends on what you do. A deathmatch with a high frag count to be hit
(say 500 or 1000) can take some time.
>>>>>>>>> Why would you take a plasma gun into your comfy box?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Can't you guess?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> To blow it too pieces? Have you any idea how unique that box is that I
>>>>>>> gave you?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Tsk. To snuggle up against, of course.
>>>>>
>>>>> That is OK I guess.
>>>>
>>>> It is?
>>>
>>> As long as you put the safety on.
>>
>> What safety?
>
> The part of the gun that keeps you safe!
So it's something the gun hasn't?
>>>>>>>>> Some people never solve their puzzle and die unhappy.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Some people just die unhappy.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And then there is me...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I like how you fail to die (up till now).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Me2!
>>>>>> (Okay, now you probably want to shoot me yourself...)
>>>>>
>>>>> Let me warn you: The challenge of killing yourself gets harder the
>>>>> longer you keep failing at it! Gratz on failing!
>>>>
>>>> I don't plan on failing.
>>>
>>> As long as it keeps you alive. Seeing you post each week keeps being a
>>> nice surprise.
>>
>> A surprise? I've been doing that for... Ages!
>
> You are such a bore! Predictable like the decay of the element they use
> inside an atomic clock.
LOL
You do realise that atomic decay is one of _the_ best sources of
randomness, don't you? Because radioactive decay is anything but
predictable. Could be split seconds, could be years.
The element is Caesium, btw.
>>>>>> What has growing up to do with age?
>>>>>
>>>>> They seem correlated.
>>>>
>>>> Nah. Who told you that nonsense.
>>>
>>> Growing up is your parents no longer caring for you the way that they
>>> used to.
>>
>> You wish.
>
> Mothers are great.
> Or I am told.
> But I firmly believe so!
> So keep your mother willing to care about you.
And then there's fathers...
Neo
For microsoft, anything they shipped to millions of costumers, is the
standard.
If is doesn't behave as documented, though luck.
>>>>>>>> What is more complex than a DOS game I ask you?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Just about anything that came after.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A DOS game can handle all the complexity a user needs to keep playing
>>>>>> though.
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, it did back in our time. Not any more it seems.
>>>>
>>>> I am playing pokemon heartgold atm.
>>>>
>>>> The complexity suits me fine :-)
>>>
>>> Knock yourself out.
>>
>> I think I already put about 20 hours into my savegame.
>>
>> I don't know if I'll finish the game, but I am not resetting the
>> cartridge for my gf to play it. She'll have to buy a new one :-)
>> Preferably the Soulsilver version!!
>
> I'm having a Deja-vú...
You mean it is a redo of an old version with new graphics and more
memory?
>>>>>>>>>> DOS 3.2 fitted on a 320kB floppy. That that was *including* all the
>>>>>>>>>> tools like format.com that weren't loaded at boot time.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ha! CPM+ fit on a single sided 5.25" - and no fancy HD either.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In my limited experience, 3 1/2" disks had a higher failure rate.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nah. Well, unless you didn't store them properly. The good old floppies
>>>>>>> (5.25", that is) were a lot easier to ruin.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You obviously never had the metal part that shuts over the reading hole
>>>>>> (right?) stick inside your drive because it got bend.
>>>>>
>>>>> Once or twice. I have pliers, though.
>>>>
>>>> I remember myself cursing.
>>>
>>> Cussing. There's a difference. Mainly in the effectiveness.
>>
>> Cussing increases your chances of getting the floppy out in one piece?
>
> Hm... Did that same cat just walk by twice?
What cat?
>>>> I can tell because I have retro games that run on W2K.
>>>>
>>>> Moving away from OpenGL was a mistake of course. But Microsoft has a
>>>> history of attempted murder on anything they don't own the rights to.
>>>> It is a small wonder linux is doing so well!
>>>
>>> Well, there was that problem with committee steered development
>>> hampering down the speed new features were introduced. Kinda like with
>>> debian. There wouldn't be that many distributions if they had managed to
>>> iron that one out. Actually, there would probably just be Slackware,
>>> Debian and LFS...
>>
>> I feel I need a 2-4 year old computer to run Ubuntu optimally. But I
>> don't know a shop where they keep new computer on the shelves for that
>> long.
>
> Should run just fine on current hardware...
Not my current hardware.
I always had problems with my ATI Radeon 4xxx under xubuntu.
2D works fine, but I don't buy an expensive video card for 2D to look
good on my computer.
>>>> I can imaging the TLA setting up a front in order to provoke attacks on
>>>> it.
>>>
>>> That's a honeycomb. Not the same as an actual production system.
>>
>> The system can be both.
>>
>> Let's just hope they don't put their most secret information behind a
>> HTTPS interface though.
>
> HTTPS? I should hope not!
You can always hope. But the truth is they probably use HTTP with a
very restrictive firewall (no Chinese IP addresses allowed).
>>>> When the attacks actually succeed, they learn and use the attack
>>>> themselves.
>>>
>>> More like hire or vanish the attackers.
>>
>> It is the vanish bit that I don't like.
>>
>> I would never want to be a part of that (if I were skilled in the
>> things they are looking for).
>
> There are rumours the pay is good.
Nah, they just kill you when you are a treat to national security.
And you are not allowed to tell anyone they told you this.
>>>>>>>> Then I realized they are all easy to break because they all have
>>>>>>>> updates you are forced to trust and install.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That is not true.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You mean: 'No security weaknesses in the default install'?
>>>>>
>>>>> You do realise I use Slackware, don't you?
>>>>
>>>> I pondered about slackware, but it seemed to PITA to set up to me.
>>>>
>>>> Not that I don't like PITA! But there has to be some reward for all my
>>>> trouble.
>>>>
>>>> And since gaming ties me to a certain OS...
>>>
>>> Yeah, yeah. It makes for a great work system, though. Most of my stuff
>>> got written on Slackware, you know. The first bits on DOS, though...
>>> 'Cause a 286 can't run Linux.
>>
>> I stopped coding two years after I started studying computer science.
>
> What a shame. All those people believing computational sciences are
> about computers...
It is, but they just don't know a powerful debugger from a text editor.
It is all 'formal' and no teaching you how to break things (and avoid
others breaking the things you wrote).
I spend nearly 3 years at a good university. And I had to learn what
buffer overflows were and how they could be abused on a talk by a true
hacker.
I don't know if Germany is any better in that respect.
>>>>>>> Well, there are still a few out there. Syberia 3 is due this year, I
>>>>>>> think remember reading...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So are you going to play it?
>>>>>
>>>>> When it comes out and I it's reasonably priced or I'm anxious enough.
>>>>> Yes, very likely.
>>>>
>>>> You would have to stay alive though.
>>>
>>> There is that. Well, I guess there's another thing for the 'stuff that
>>> makes living seem the better option' list.
>>
>> It better not disappoint you when it gets released then.
>
> Nah, I don't think so. They've done a pretty good job so far.
But they might not get enough funding because of the recession.
>>>>>>> Yup. Point, fire, kill.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Or Point, fire, miss, get killed yourself.
>>>>>
>>>>> That would be me...
>>>>
>>>> It is the more fun way.
>>>
>>> Especially with rocket throwers. And quad damage. Awesome. (Actually I
>>> remember that being the only way to get to a hidden place on one of the
>>> Quake 3 maps. Armour helped a lot to get the actual benefits of that.)
>>
>> Which map? I have a friend who spends all his free time fragging Quake
>> III on a new Mac Mini (9400M graphics card).
>
> Sorry, can't remember the name. It was the one with the huge outside
> with plenty of lava and a two level inside. The basement had a long
> bridge over lava with a goodie in the middle and large axe/hammers
> swinging across in on either sides. Does that ring a bell?
I always avoided that part because it slowed down my frag rate.
And because I fell in the lava of course :-)
>>>>>>>>>> Why would you take a plasma gun into your comfy box?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Can't you guess?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> To blow it too pieces? Have you any idea how unique that box is that I
>>>>>>>> gave you?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tsk. To snuggle up against, of course.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That is OK I guess.
>>>>>
>>>>> It is?
>>>>
>>>> As long as you put the safety on.
>>>
>>> What safety?
>>
>> The part of the gun that keeps you safe!
>
> So it's something the gun hasn't?
People usually carry guns in order to feel safe.
According to Douglas Adams, the good part of a gun is the part that is
not pointing a bullet your way.
>>>>>>>>>> Some people never solve their puzzle and die unhappy.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Some people just die unhappy.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> And then there is me...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I like how you fail to die (up till now).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Me2!
>>>>>>> (Okay, now you probably want to shoot me yourself...)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Let me warn you: The challenge of killing yourself gets harder the
>>>>>> longer you keep failing at it! Gratz on failing!
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't plan on failing.
>>>>
>>>> As long as it keeps you alive. Seeing you post each week keeps being a
>>>> nice surprise.
>>>
>>> A surprise? I've been doing that for... Ages!
>>
>> You are such a bore! Predictable like the decay of the element they use
>> inside an atomic clock.
>
> LOL
> You do realise that atomic decay is one of _the_ best sources of
> randomness, don't you? Because radioactive decay is anything but
> predictable. Could be split seconds, could be years.
> The element is Caesium, btw.
So why do they call them atom 'clocks'?
>>>>>>> What has growing up to do with age?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They seem correlated.
>>>>>
>>>>> Nah. Who told you that nonsense.
>>>>
>>>> Growing up is your parents no longer caring for you the way that they
>>>> used to.
>>>
>>> You wish.
>>
>> Mothers are great.
>> Or I am told.
>> But I firmly believe so!
>> So keep your mother willing to care about you.
>
> And then there's fathers...
But women usually control their men.
I don't know how, but women just do that.
emmel
> On 28-4-2010 18:26, emmel wrote:
>> Thus Neo spoke:
>>
>> Still doesn't explain why intended behaviour ought have anything to do
>> with what the programmers were expecting to happen.
>
> For microsoft, anything they shipped to millions of costumers, is the
> standard.
>
> If is doesn't behave as documented, though luck.
You are rephrasing your earlier statement (and mine, actually). Not
answering the question.
>>>>>>>>> What is more complex than a DOS game I ask you?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Just about anything that came after.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A DOS game can handle all the complexity a user needs to keep playing
>>>>>>> though.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, it did back in our time. Not any more it seems.
>>>>>
>>>>> I am playing pokemon heartgold atm.
>>>>>
>>>>> The complexity suits me fine :-)
>>>>
>>>> Knock yourself out.
>>>
>>> I think I already put about 20 hours into my savegame.
>>>
>>> I don't know if I'll finish the game, but I am not resetting the
>>> cartridge for my gf to play it. She'll have to buy a new one :-)
>>> Preferably the Soulsilver version!!
>>
>> I'm having a Deja-vú...
>
> You mean it is a redo of an old version with new graphics and more
> memory?
Not exactly. Or rather exactly, and not what you said.
>>>>>>>>>>> DOS 3.2 fitted on a 320kB floppy. That that was *including* all the
>>>>>>>>>>> tools like format.com that weren't loaded at boot time.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Ha! CPM+ fit on a single sided 5.25" - and no fancy HD either.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In my limited experience, 3 1/2" disks had a higher failure rate.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Nah. Well, unless you didn't store them properly. The good old floppies
>>>>>>>> (5.25", that is) were a lot easier to ruin.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You obviously never had the metal part that shuts over the reading hole
>>>>>>> (right?) stick inside your drive because it got bend.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Once or twice. I have pliers, though.
>>>>>
>>>>> I remember myself cursing.
>>>>
>>>> Cussing. There's a difference. Mainly in the effectiveness.
>>>
>>> Cussing increases your chances of getting the floppy out in one piece?
>>
>> Hm... Did that same cat just walk by twice?
>
> What cat?
Obref...
>>>>> I can tell because I have retro games that run on W2K.
>>>>>
>>>>> Moving away from OpenGL was a mistake of course. But Microsoft has a
>>>>> history of attempted murder on anything they don't own the rights to.
>>>>> It is a small wonder linux is doing so well!
>>>>
>>>> Well, there was that problem with committee steered development
>>>> hampering down the speed new features were introduced. Kinda like with
>>>> debian. There wouldn't be that many distributions if they had managed to
>>>> iron that one out. Actually, there would probably just be Slackware,
>>>> Debian and LFS...
>>>
>>> I feel I need a 2-4 year old computer to run Ubuntu optimally. But I
>>> don't know a shop where they keep new computer on the shelves for that
>>> long.
>>
>> Should run just fine on current hardware...
>
> Not my current hardware.
>
> I always had problems with my ATI Radeon 4xxx under xubuntu.
>
> 2D works fine, but I don't buy an expensive video card for 2D to look
> good on my computer.
What do you run xubuntu for anyway?
>>>>> I can imaging the TLA setting up a front in order to provoke attacks on
>>>>> it.
>>>>
>>>> That's a honeycomb. Not the same as an actual production system.
>>>
>>> The system can be both.
>>>
>>> Let's just hope they don't put their most secret information behind a
>>> HTTPS interface though.
>>
>> HTTPS? I should hope not!
>
> You can always hope. But the truth is they probably use HTTP with a
> very restrictive firewall (no Chinese IP addresses allowed).
If they don't use something more secure I'd be very disappointed.
>>>>> When the attacks actually succeed, they learn and use the attack
>>>>> themselves.
>>>>
>>>> More like hire or vanish the attackers.
>>>
>>> It is the vanish bit that I don't like.
>>>
>>> I would never want to be a part of that (if I were skilled in the
>>> things they are looking for).
>>
>> There are rumours the pay is good.
>
> Nah, they just kill you when you are a treat to national security.
> And you are not allowed to tell anyone they told you this.
How are you supposed to know anyway?
>>> I stopped coding two years after I started studying computer science.
>>
>> What a shame. All those people believing computational sciences are
>> about computers...
>
> It is, but they just don't know a powerful debugger from a text editor.
> It is all 'formal' and no teaching you how to break things (and avoid
> others breaking the things you wrote).
That's not what computer science does. You have to learn programming to
do that. Computer science is about doing stuff that works, not stuff
that's failsafe.
> I spend nearly 3 years at a good university. And I had to learn what
> buffer overflows were and how they could be abused on a talk by a true
> hacker.
>
> I don't know if Germany is any better in that respect.
It's the science behind computers. Not Programming school.
>>> It better not disappoint you when it gets released then.
>>
>> Nah, I don't think so. They've done a pretty good job so far.
>
> But they might not get enough funding because of the recession.
If they started getting funding now.
>>>>>>>> Yup. Point, fire, kill.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Or Point, fire, miss, get killed yourself.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That would be me...
>>>>>
>>>>> It is the more fun way.
>>>>
>>>> Especially with rocket throwers. And quad damage. Awesome. (Actually I
>>>> remember that being the only way to get to a hidden place on one of the
>>>> Quake 3 maps. Armour helped a lot to get the actual benefits of that.)
>>>
>>> Which map? I have a friend who spends all his free time fragging Quake
>>> III on a new Mac Mini (9400M graphics card).
>>
>> Sorry, can't remember the name. It was the one with the huge outside
>> with plenty of lava and a two level inside. The basement had a long
>> bridge over lava with a goodie in the middle and large axe/hammers
>> swinging across in on either sides. Does that ring a bell?
>
> I always avoided that part because it slowed down my frag rate.
> And because I fell in the lava of course :-)
Fun, though. Especially with a rail gun at the far end.
>>>>> As long as you put the safety on.
>>>>
>>>> What safety?
>>>
>>> The part of the gun that keeps you safe!
>>
>> So it's something the gun hasn't?
>
> People usually carry guns in order to feel safe.
>
> According to Douglas Adams, the good part of a gun is the part that is
> not pointing a bullet your way.
That doesn't make it safe, though.
>>>> A surprise? I've been doing that for... Ages!
>>>
>>> You are such a bore! Predictable like the decay of the element they use
>>> inside an atomic clock.
>>
>> LOL
>> You do realise that atomic decay is one of _the_ best sources of
>> randomness, don't you? Because radioactive decay is anything but
>> predictable. Could be split seconds, could be years.
>> The element is Caesium, btw.
>
> So why do they call them atom 'clocks'?
Because they measure times using atoms. As the energy of electrons in
orbits is discrete, so is the wavelength that is emitted when dropping
from the exited state to the unexcited one.
>>>>>>>> What has growing up to do with age?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They seem correlated.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nah. Who told you that nonsense.
>>>>>
>>>>> Growing up is your parents no longer caring for you the way that they
>>>>> used to.
>>>>
>>>> You wish.
>>>
>>> Mothers are great.
>>> Or I am told.
>>> But I firmly believe so!
>>> So keep your mother willing to care about you.
>>
>> And then there's fathers...
>
> But women usually control their men.
> I don't know how, but women just do that.
You wish.
Neo
> Thus Neo spoke:
>
>> On 28-4-2010 18:26, emmel wrote:
>>> Thus Neo spoke:
>>>
>>> Still doesn't explain why intended behaviour ought have anything to do
>>> with what the programmers were expecting to happen.
>>
>> For microsoft, anything they shipped to millions of costumers, is the
>> standard.
>>
>> If is doesn't behave as documented, though luck.
>
> You are rephrasing your earlier statement (and mine, actually). Not
> answering the question.
If you are the defacto standard, you don't have to explain why your
software works the way it does.
>>>>>>>>>> What is more complex than a DOS game I ask you?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Just about anything that came after.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> A DOS game can handle all the complexity a user needs to keep playing
>>>>>>>> though.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well, it did back in our time. Not any more it seems.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am playing pokemon heartgold atm.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The complexity suits me fine :-)
>>>>>
>>>>> Knock yourself out.
>>>>
>>>> I think I already put about 20 hours into my savegame.
>>>>
>>>> I don't know if I'll finish the game, but I am not resetting the
>>>> cartridge for my gf to play it. She'll have to buy a new one :-)
>>>> Preferably the Soulsilver version!!
>>>
>>> I'm having a Deja-vú...
>>
>> You mean it is a redo of an old version with new graphics and more
>> memory?
>
> Not exactly. Or rather exactly, and not what you said.
It is true that I have been playing less lately. But I beat the second
gym master!
Since it was an all bug type pokemon master, I could squash them with
rock, fire and flying pokemon (iirc).
Shame the gym master used potions on his bugs. Because I consider that
cheating. It is a matter of money, not skill, to win that way.
>>>>>>>>>>>> DOS 3.2 fitted on a 320kB floppy. That that was *including* all the
>>>>>>>>>>>> tools like format.com that weren't loaded at boot time.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Ha! CPM+ fit on a single sided 5.25" - and no fancy HD either.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> In my limited experience, 3 1/2" disks had a higher failure rate.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Nah. Well, unless you didn't store them properly. The good old floppies
>>>>>>>>> (5.25", that is) were a lot easier to ruin.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You obviously never had the metal part that shuts over the reading hole
>>>>>>>> (right?) stick inside your drive because it got bend.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Once or twice. I have pliers, though.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I remember myself cursing.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cussing. There's a difference. Mainly in the effectiveness.
>>>>
>>>> Cussing increases your chances of getting the floppy out in one piece?
>>>
>>> Hm... Did that same cat just walk by twice?
>>
>> What cat?
>
> Obref...
Was it a black cat?
>>>>>> I can tell because I have retro games that run on W2K.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Moving away from OpenGL was a mistake of course. But Microsoft has a
>>>>>> history of attempted murder on anything they don't own the rights to.
>>>>>> It is a small wonder linux is doing so well!
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, there was that problem with committee steered development
>>>>> hampering down the speed new features were introduced. Kinda like with
>>>>> debian. There wouldn't be that many distributions if they had managed to
>>>>> iron that one out. Actually, there would probably just be Slackware,
>>>>> Debian and LFS...
>>>>
>>>> I feel I need a 2-4 year old computer to run Ubuntu optimally. But I
>>>> don't know a shop where they keep new computer on the shelves for that
>>>> long.
>>>
>>> Should run just fine on current hardware...
>>
>> Not my current hardware.
>>
>> I always had problems with my ATI Radeon 4xxx under xubuntu.
>>
>> 2D works fine, but I don't buy an expensive video card for 2D to look
>> good on my computer.
>
> What do you run xubuntu for anyway?
Mainly for downloading other distributions :-) I seem to have problems
using bittorrent from Windows Vista most of the time.
To be honest, I put it on old hardware that merely supports it. Then I
give those old machines to people I like (or people that would cause me
a small fortune in support if they decided to use windows).
What I like about it is that it updates automatically. And not just the
OS, but every app on it!
>>>>>> I can imaging the TLA setting up a front in order to provoke attacks on
>>>>>> it.
>>>>>
>>>>> That's a honeycomb. Not the same as an actual production system.
>>>>
>>>> The system can be both.
>>>>
>>>> Let's just hope they don't put their most secret information behind a
>>>> HTTPS interface though.
>>>
>>> HTTPS? I should hope not!
>>
>> You can always hope. But the truth is they probably use HTTP with a
>> very restrictive firewall (no Chinese IP addresses allowed).
>
> If they don't use something more secure I'd be very disappointed.
They use OTP as an additional protocol over HTTP.
TLA have couriers for keys you know!
>>>>>> When the attacks actually succeed, they learn and use the attack
>>>>>> themselves.
>>>>>
>>>>> More like hire or vanish the attackers.
>>>>
>>>> It is the vanish bit that I don't like.
>>>>
>>>> I would never want to be a part of that (if I were skilled in the
>>>> things they are looking for).
>>>
>>> There are rumours the pay is good.
>>
>> Nah, they just kill you when you are a treat to national security.
>> And you are not allowed to tell anyone they told you this.
>
> How are you supposed to know anyway?
The trick is not to get caught in such a trap.
It can be logically deduced that this is how TLA work.
And it can be defended by the TLA that this is how they should work.
Q.E.D.
>>>> I stopped coding two years after I started studying computer science.
>>>
>>> What a shame. All those people believing computational sciences are
>>> about computers...
>>
>> It is, but they just don't know a powerful debugger from a text editor.
>> It is all 'formal' and no teaching you how to break things (and avoid
>> others breaking the things you wrote).
>
> That's not what computer science does. You have to learn programming to
> do that. Computer science is about doing stuff that works, not stuff
> that's failsafe.
Too bad. I just wanted to learn how to program.
Seems to me most cs studies still use a monochrome 80x25 character text
interface to get things done.
>> I spend nearly 3 years at a good university. And I had to learn what
>> buffer overflows were and how they could be abused on a talk by a true
>> hacker.
>>
>> I don't know if Germany is any better in that respect.
>
> It's the science behind computers. Not Programming school.
For me the science behind computers is the microcode of modern
processors. And all other components of course.
We did some 8080 programming IIRC. But that was just changing code they
gave you. And no debugger there either!
I taught myself 8086 assembly using only the tools that came with
MS-DOS 3.2. It had a debugger you know...
>>>> It better not disappoint you when it gets released then.
>>>
>>> Nah, I don't think so. They've done a pretty good job so far.
>>
>> But they might not get enough funding because of the recession.
>
> If they started getting funding now.
Maybe when the recession is over. In the mean time they can work on the
story lines (you should too btw!).
>>>>>>>>> Yup. Point, fire, kill.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Or Point, fire, miss, get killed yourself.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That would be me...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It is the more fun way.
>>>>>
>>>>> Especially with rocket throwers. And quad damage. Awesome. (Actually I
>>>>> remember that being the only way to get to a hidden place on one of the
>>>>> Quake 3 maps. Armour helped a lot to get the actual benefits of that.)
>>>>
>>>> Which map? I have a friend who spends all his free time fragging Quake
>>>> III on a new Mac Mini (9400M graphics card).
>>>
>>> Sorry, can't remember the name. It was the one with the huge outside
>>> with plenty of lava and a two level inside. The basement had a long
>>> bridge over lava with a goodie in the middle and large axe/hammers
>>> swinging across in on either sides. Does that ring a bell?
>>
>> I always avoided that part because it slowed down my frag rate.
>> And because I fell in the lava of course :-)
>
> Fun, though. Especially with a rail gun at the far end.
A rail gun is no use up close.
And all maps make a point where you can fire from, accessible from at
least too sides. So you can get snucked up on from behind.
>>>>>> As long as you put the safety on.
>>>>>
>>>>> What safety?
>>>>
>>>> The part of the gun that keeps you safe!
>>>
>>> So it's something the gun hasn't?
>>
>> People usually carry guns in order to feel safe.
>>
>> According to Douglas Adams, the good part of a gun is the part that is
>> not pointing a bullet your way.
>
> That doesn't make it safe, though.
Not for people/animals/empty beer cans on the other side!
>>>>> A surprise? I've been doing that for... Ages!
>>>>
>>>> You are such a bore! Predictable like the decay of the element they use
>>>> inside an atomic clock.
>>>
>>> LOL
>>> You do realise that atomic decay is one of _the_ best sources of
>>> randomness, don't you? Because radioactive decay is anything but
>>> predictable. Could be split seconds, could be years.
>>> The element is Caesium, btw.
>>
>> So why do they call them atom 'clocks'?
>
> Because they measure times using atoms. As the energy of electrons in
> orbits is discrete, so is the wavelength that is emitted when dropping
> from the exited state to the unexcited one.
I feel the limitedness of my high school education.
>>>>>>>>> What has growing up to do with age?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> They seem correlated.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nah. Who told you that nonsense.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Growing up is your parents no longer caring for you the way that they
>>>>>> used to.
>>>>>
>>>>> You wish.
>>>>
>>>> Mothers are great.
>>>> Or I am told.
>>>> But I firmly believe so!
>>>> So keep your mother willing to care about you.
>>>
>>> And then there's fathers...
>>
>> But women usually control their men.
>> I don't know how, but women just do that.
>
> You wish.
Women let men feel like they are in control.
But they can take that away at any moment they want to.
emmel
> On 3-5-2010 11:22, emmel wrote:
>> Thus Neo spoke:
>>
>>> On 28-4-2010 18:26, emmel wrote:
>>>> Thus Neo spoke:
>>>>
>>>> Still doesn't explain why intended behaviour ought have anything to do
>>>> with what the programmers were expecting to happen.
>>>
>>> For microsoft, anything they shipped to millions of costumers, is the
>>> standard.
>>>
>>> If is doesn't behave as documented, though luck.
>>
>> You are rephrasing your earlier statement (and mine, actually). Not
>> answering the question.
>
> If you are the defacto standard, you don't have to explain why your
> software works the way it does.
Does not relate to topic.
>>>> Hm... Did that same cat just walk by twice?
>>>
>>> What cat?
>>
>> Obref...
>
> Was it a black cat?
Indeed, it was.
>> What do you run xubuntu for anyway?
>
> Mainly for downloading other distributions :-) I seem to have problems
> using bittorrent from Windows Vista most of the time.
Slackware running rtorrent does a very fine job.
> To be honest, I put it on old hardware that merely supports it. Then I
> give those old machines to people I like (or people that would cause me
> a small fortune in support if they decided to use windows).
Sounds like your are missing out several fortunes...
> What I like about it is that it updates automatically. And not just the
> OS, but every app on it!
Every heard of debian?
>>>> HTTPS? I should hope not!
>>>
>>> You can always hope. But the truth is they probably use HTTP with a
>>> very restrictive firewall (no Chinese IP addresses allowed).
>>
>> If they don't use something more secure I'd be very disappointed.
>
> They use OTP as an additional protocol over HTTP.
> TLA have couriers for keys you know!
Over HTTP? Geez, they must be completely brain damaged.
>>>> There are rumours the pay is good.
>>>
>>> Nah, they just kill you when you are a treat to national security.
>>> And you are not allowed to tell anyone they told you this.
>>
>> How are you supposed to know anyway?
>
> The trick is not to get caught in such a trap.
> It can be logically deduced that this is how TLA work.
> And it can be defended by the TLA that this is how they should work.
>
> Q.E.D.
No it isn't. You didn't show anything.
>>>>> I stopped coding two years after I started studying computer science.
>>>>
>>>> What a shame. All those people believing computational sciences are
>>>> about computers...
>>>
>>> It is, but they just don't know a powerful debugger from a text editor.
>>> It is all 'formal' and no teaching you how to break things (and avoid
>>> others breaking the things you wrote).
>>
>> That's not what computer science does. You have to learn programming to
>> do that. Computer science is about doing stuff that works, not stuff
>> that's failsafe.
>
> Too bad. I just wanted to learn how to program.
>
> Seems to me most cs studies still use a monochrome 80x25 character text
> interface to get things done.
And with good reason. The text consoles are a lot prettier these days,
though.
>>> I spend nearly 3 years at a good university. And I had to learn what
>>> buffer overflows were and how they could be abused on a talk by a true
>>> hacker.
>>>
>>> I don't know if Germany is any better in that respect.
>>
>> It's the science behind computers. Not Programming school.
>
> For me the science behind computers is the microcode of modern
> processors. And all other components of course.
Misconception.
> We did some 8080 programming IIRC. But that was just changing code they
> gave you. And no debugger there either!
Yeah, well, without anything to run the debugger on that was hard to
give you...
> I taught myself 8086 assembly using only the tools that came with
> MS-DOS 3.2. It had a debugger you know...
Oh, you were talking about assembler? I though you were talking about
machine code.
>>>>> It better not disappoint you when it gets released then.
>>>>
>>>> Nah, I don't think so. They've done a pretty good job so far.
>>>
>>> But they might not get enough funding because of the recession.
>>
>> If they started getting funding now.
>
> Maybe when the recession is over. In the mean time they can work on the
> story lines (you should too btw!).
At the moment getting enough sleep is higher priority.
>>>>>>>>>> Yup. Point, fire, kill.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Or Point, fire, miss, get killed yourself.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That would be me...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It is the more fun way.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Especially with rocket throwers. And quad damage. Awesome. (Actually I
>>>>>> remember that being the only way to get to a hidden place on one of the
>>>>>> Quake 3 maps. Armour helped a lot to get the actual benefits of that.)
>>>>>
>>>>> Which map? I have a friend who spends all his free time fragging Quake
>>>>> III on a new Mac Mini (9400M graphics card).
>>>>
>>>> Sorry, can't remember the name. It was the one with the huge outside
>>>> with plenty of lava and a two level inside. The basement had a long
>>>> bridge over lava with a goodie in the middle and large axe/hammers
>>>> swinging across in on either sides. Does that ring a bell?
>>>
>>> I always avoided that part because it slowed down my frag rate.
>>> And because I fell in the lava of course :-)
>>
>> Fun, though. Especially with a rail gun at the far end.
>
> A rail gun is no use up close.
Depends on your opponents armour.
> And all maps make a point where you can fire from, accessible from at
> least too sides. So you can get snucked up on from behind.
Not in this map, though. Not that Quake was very sneaky in the first
place.
>> Because they measure times using atoms. As the energy of electrons in
>> orbits is discrete, so is the wavelength that is emitted when dropping
>> from the exited state to the unexcited one.
>
> I feel the limitedness of my high school education.
Since when had high school anything to do with education? (Not that I've
every been to one...)
>>> But women usually control their men.
>>> I don't know how, but women just do that.
>>
>> You wish.
>
> Women let men feel like they are in control.
> But they can take that away at any moment they want to.
You wish.
Neo
> Thus Neo spoke:
>
>> On 3-5-2010 11:22, emmel wrote:
>>> Thus Neo spoke:
>>>
>>>> On 28-4-2010 18:26, emmel wrote:
>>>>> Thus Neo spoke:
>>>>>
>>>>> Still doesn't explain why intended behaviour ought have anything to do
>>>>> with what the programmers were expecting to happen.
>>>>
>>>> For microsoft, anything they shipped to millions of costumers, is the
>>>> standard.
>>>>
>>>> If is doesn't behave as documented, though luck.
>>>
>>> You are rephrasing your earlier statement (and mine, actually). Not
>>> answering the question.
>>
>> If you are the defacto standard, you don't have to explain why your
>> software works the way it does.
>
> Does not relate to topic.
If Steve Balmer farts, that is the defacto standard for everybody using
Windows.
>>>>> Hm... Did that same cat just walk by twice?
>>>>
>>>> What cat?
>>>
>>> Obref...
>>
>> Was it a black cat?
>
> Indeed, it was.
Quick! They must have changed something!
Check the walls!
>>> What do you run xubuntu for anyway?
>>
>> Mainly for downloading other distributions :-) I seem to have problems
>> using bittorrent from Windows Vista most of the time.
>
> Slackware running rtorrent does a very fine job.
I thought you were on dail-up?
>> To be honest, I put it on old hardware that merely supports it. Then I
>> give those old machines to people I like (or people that would cause me
>> a small fortune in support if they decided to use windows).
>
> Sounds like your are missing out several fortunes...
Asking for money would entitle them to my support. You don't give a
donkey support on his computer because they will most probably crap on
it.
>> What I like about it is that it updates automatically. And not just the
>> OS, but every app on it!
>
> Every heard of debian?
Help me get this right.
Debian stable is very old.
Ubuntu standard is less old.
Debian test is very new but highly unstable.
>>>>> HTTPS? I should hope not!
>>>>
>>>> You can always hope. But the truth is they probably use HTTP with a
>>>> very restrictive firewall (no Chinese IP addresses allowed).
>>>
>>> If they don't use something more secure I'd be very disappointed.
>>
>> They use OTP as an additional protocol over HTTP.
>> TLA have couriers for keys you know!
>
> Over HTTP? Geez, they must be completely brain damaged.
They hide it in steganography first of course! (duh)
>>>>> There are rumours the pay is good.
>>>>
>>>> Nah, they just kill you when you are a treat to national security.
>>>> And you are not allowed to tell anyone they told you this.
>>>
>>> How are you supposed to know anyway?
>>
>> The trick is not to get caught in such a trap.
>> It can be logically deduced that this is how TLA work.
>> And it can be defended by the TLA that this is how they should work.
>>
>> Q.E.D.
>
> No it isn't. You didn't show anything.
By examining it's environment it can be deduced how these agencies will
have evolved.
If they let anyone get out and tell the world about how they work...
In military warfare, traitors will be shot and killed. The TLA are
*always* at war because there is *always* someone to spy on.
There are even TLA that search and destroy traitors in other (lower)
TLAs.
You want to be a part of that? Better not tell anybody because it can
cost you your life (oops, wrong thing to tell you!).
>>>>>> I stopped coding two years after I started studying computer science.
>>>>>
>>>>> What a shame. All those people believing computational sciences are
>>>>> about computers...
>>>>
>>>> It is, but they just don't know a powerful debugger from a text editor.
>>>> It is all 'formal' and no teaching you how to break things (and avoid
>>>> others breaking the things you wrote).
>>>
>>> That's not what computer science does. You have to learn programming to
>>> do that. Computer science is about doing stuff that works, not stuff
>>> that's failsafe.
>>
>> Too bad. I just wanted to learn how to program.
>>
>> Seems to me most cs studies still use a monochrome 80x25 character text
>> interface to get things done.
>
> And with good reason. The text consoles are a lot prettier these days,
> though.
Does your console blink in 16 colors?
Because the first IBM PC could do that.
>>>> I spend nearly 3 years at a good university. And I had to learn what
>>>> buffer overflows were and how they could be abused on a talk by a true
>>>> hacker.
>>>>
>>>> I don't know if Germany is any better in that respect.
>>>
>>> It's the science behind computers. Not Programming school.
>>
>> For me the science behind computers is the microcode of modern
>> processors. And all other components of course.
>
> Misconception.
I just like low level more than abstract high level.
>> We did some 8080 programming IIRC. But that was just changing code they
>> gave you. And no debugger there either!
>
> Yeah, well, without anything to run the debugger on that was hard to
> give you...
Funny you should say that now.
I have been playing with the new dosbox and I hear people are emulating
old debuggers in it to hack things that run in MS-DOS.
>> I taught myself 8086 assembly using only the tools that came with
>> MS-DOS 3.2. It had a debugger you know...
>
> Oh, you were talking about assembler? I though you were talking about
> machine code.
When I am talking about assembler, I see machine code.
>>>>>> It better not disappoint you when it gets released then.
>>>>>
>>>>> Nah, I don't think so. They've done a pretty good job so far.
>>>>
>>>> But they might not get enough funding because of the recession.
>>>
>>> If they started getting funding now.
>>
>> Maybe when the recession is over. In the mean time they can work on the
>> story lines (you should too btw!).
>
> At the moment getting enough sleep is higher priority.
Sleep is for wuzzies!
>>>>>>>>>>> Yup. Point, fire, kill.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Or Point, fire, miss, get killed yourself.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That would be me...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It is the more fun way.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Especially with rocket throwers. And quad damage. Awesome. (Actually I
>>>>>>> remember that being the only way to get to a hidden place on one of the
>>>>>>> Quake 3 maps. Armour helped a lot to get the actual benefits of that.)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Which map? I have a friend who spends all his free time fragging Quake
>>>>>> III on a new Mac Mini (9400M graphics card).
>>>>>
>>>>> Sorry, can't remember the name. It was the one with the huge outside
>>>>> with plenty of lava and a two level inside. The basement had a long
>>>>> bridge over lava with a goodie in the middle and large axe/hammers
>>>>> swinging across in on either sides. Does that ring a bell?
>>>>
>>>> I always avoided that part because it slowed down my frag rate.
>>>> And because I fell in the lava of course :-)
>>>
>>> Fun, though. Especially with a rail gun at the far end.
>>
>> A rail gun is no use up close.
>
> Depends on your opponents armour.
I'll be waiting for you near the armour then. With a shotgun or
something better at close range.
>>> Because they measure times using atoms. As the energy of electrons in
>>> orbits is discrete, so is the wavelength that is emitted when dropping
>>> from the exited state to the unexcited one.
>>
>> I feel the limitedness of my high school education.
>
> Since when had high school anything to do with education? (Not that I've
> every been to one...)
I never can tell high school, college or other forms of eduction apart.
>>>> But women usually control their men.
>>>> I don't know how, but women just do that.
>>>
>>> You wish.
>>
>> Women let men feel like they are in control.
>> But they can take that away at any moment they want to.
>
> You wish.
See? Your mother did a good job on you letting you think your father
was/is wearing the jeans in your home.
Do women wrong, and you got big problems coming your way. They will
only use that as a last resort, but it will be them that end up as
victors.
emmel
> On 16-5-2010 19:10, emmel wrote:
>> Thus Neo spoke:
>>
>>>>>> Hm... Did that same cat just walk by twice?
>>>>>
>>>>> What cat?
>>>>
>>>> Obref...
>>>
>>> Was it a black cat?
>>
>> Indeed, it was.
>
> Quick! They must have changed something!
> Check the walls!
Ah, damn. The unblocked the windows. Someone call the bricklayers.
>>>> What do you run xubuntu for anyway?
>>>
>>> Mainly for downloading other distributions :-) I seem to have problems
>>> using bittorrent from Windows Vista most of the time.
>>
>> Slackware running rtorrent does a very fine job.
>
> I thought you were on dail-up?
That was some loooong time ago. I got better. Not much, but still.
>>> To be honest, I put it on old hardware that merely supports it. Then I
>>> give those old machines to people I like (or people that would cause me
>>> a small fortune in support if they decided to use windows).
>>
>> Sounds like your are missing out several fortunes...
>
> Asking for money would entitle them to my support. You don't give a
> donkey support on his computer because they will most probably crap on
> it.
It works for Microsoft. And very well at that.
>>> What I like about it is that it updates automatically. And not just the
>>> OS, but every app on it!
>>
>> Every heard of debian?
>
> Help me get this right.
>
> Debian stable is very old.
> Ubuntu standard is less old.
> Debian test is very new but highly unstable.
Nah. Debian comes in three flavours: stable, unstable and testing
(some call them rusty, stale and broken). Testing has hiccups now and
then, but is fairly recent and usually works. Unstable has slightly
older packages, but just works. Stable... is stable. Unstable or testing
is good for use.
>>>>>> HTTPS? I should hope not!
>>>>>
>>>>> You can always hope. But the truth is they probably use HTTP with a
>>>>> very restrictive firewall (no Chinese IP addresses allowed).
>>>>
>>>> If they don't use something more secure I'd be very disappointed.
>>>
>>> They use OTP as an additional protocol over HTTP.
>>> TLA have couriers for keys you know!
>>
>> Over HTTP? Geez, they must be completely brain damaged.
>
> They hide it in steganography first of course! (duh)
Which there are ways to detect... And requires conspicuously large
uncompressed files.
>>>>>> There are rumours the pay is good.
>>>>>
>>>>> Nah, they just kill you when you are a treat to national security.
>>>>> And you are not allowed to tell anyone they told you this.
>>>>
>>>> How are you supposed to know anyway?
>>>
>>> The trick is not to get caught in such a trap.
>>> It can be logically deduced that this is how TLA work.
>>> And it can be defended by the TLA that this is how they should work.
>>>
>>> Q.E.D.
>>
>> No it isn't. You didn't show anything.
>
> By examining it's environment it can be deduced how these agencies will
> have evolved.
>
> If they let anyone get out and tell the world about how they work...
They wouldn't do that, of course.
> In military warfare, traitors will be shot and killed. The TLA are
> *always* at war because there is *always* someone to spy on.
>
> There are even TLA that search and destroy traitors in other (lower)
> TLAs.
LOL, WTF. Sorry, couldn't resist.
> You want to be a part of that? Better not tell anybody because it can
> cost you your life (oops, wrong thing to tell you!).
Now you are doomed. Or are you not?
>>>>>>> I stopped coding two years after I started studying computer science.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What a shame. All those people believing computational sciences are
>>>>>> about computers...
>>>>>
>>>>> It is, but they just don't know a powerful debugger from a text editor.
>>>>> It is all 'formal' and no teaching you how to break things (and avoid
>>>>> others breaking the things you wrote).
>>>>
>>>> That's not what computer science does. You have to learn programming to
>>>> do that. Computer science is about doing stuff that works, not stuff
>>>> that's failsafe.
>>>
>>> Too bad. I just wanted to learn how to program.
>>>
>>> Seems to me most cs studies still use a monochrome 80x25 character text
>>> interface to get things done.
>>
>> And with good reason. The text consoles are a lot prettier these days,
>> though.
>
> Does your console blink in 16 colors?
> Because the first IBM PC could do that.
I choose not to have any blinking, but it can do that. Ubuntu uses blink
for broken links, I think.
>>>>> I spend nearly 3 years at a good university. And I had to learn what
>>>>> buffer overflows were and how they could be abused on a talk by a true
>>>>> hacker.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't know if Germany is any better in that respect.
>>>>
>>>> It's the science behind computers. Not Programming school.
>>>
>>> For me the science behind computers is the microcode of modern
>>> processors. And all other components of course.
>>
>> Misconception.
>
> I just like low level more than abstract high level.
Yeah, but it's not portable.
>>> We did some 8080 programming IIRC. But that was just changing code they
>>> gave you. And no debugger there either!
>>
>> Yeah, well, without anything to run the debugger on that was hard to
>> give you...
>
> Funny you should say that now.
How so?
> I have been playing with the new dosbox and I hear people are emulating
> old debuggers in it to hack things that run in MS-DOS.
Yeah, but dosbox doesn't emulate a 8086. Oh, wait, you said 8080. They
used those math co-processors, didn't they?
>>> I taught myself 8086 assembly using only the tools that came with
>>> MS-DOS 3.2. It had a debugger you know...
>>
>> Oh, you were talking about assembler? I though you were talking about
>> machine code.
>
> When I am talking about assembler, I see machine code.
Where did you get those glasses?
>>>>>>> It better not disappoint you when it gets released then.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nah, I don't think so. They've done a pretty good job so far.
>>>>>
>>>>> But they might not get enough funding because of the recession.
>>>>
>>>> If they started getting funding now.
>>>
>>> Maybe when the recession is over. In the mean time they can work on the
>>> story lines (you should too btw!).
>>
>> At the moment getting enough sleep is higher priority.
>
> Sleep is for wuzzies!
Well, then I am a wuzzie it seems. Whatever that is.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Yup. Point, fire, kill.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Or Point, fire, miss, get killed yourself.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> That would be me...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It is the more fun way.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Especially with rocket throwers. And quad damage. Awesome. (Actually I
>>>>>>>> remember that being the only way to get to a hidden place on one of the
>>>>>>>> Quake 3 maps. Armour helped a lot to get the actual benefits of that.)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Which map? I have a friend who spends all his free time fragging Quake
>>>>>>> III on a new Mac Mini (9400M graphics card).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sorry, can't remember the name. It was the one with the huge outside
>>>>>> with plenty of lava and a two level inside. The basement had a long
>>>>>> bridge over lava with a goodie in the middle and large axe/hammers
>>>>>> swinging across in on either sides. Does that ring a bell?
>>>>>
>>>>> I always avoided that part because it slowed down my frag rate.
>>>>> And because I fell in the lava of course :-)
>>>>
>>>> Fun, though. Especially with a rail gun at the far end.
>>>
>>> A rail gun is no use up close.
>>
>> Depends on your opponents armour.
>
> I'll be waiting for you near the armour then. With a shotgun or
> something better at close range.
Camping doesn't really work well. You constantly get killed.
>>>> Because they measure times using atoms. As the energy of electrons in
>>>> orbits is discrete, so is the wavelength that is emitted when dropping
>>>> from the exited state to the unexcited one.
>>>
>>> I feel the limitedness of my high school education.
>>
>> Since when had high school anything to do with education? (Not that I've
>> every been to one...)
>
> I never can tell high school, college or other forms of eduction apart.
Europe just doesn't seem to work that way for most parts. Not that they
don't try to force the issue.
>>>>> But women usually control their men.
>>>>> I don't know how, but women just do that.
>>>>
>>>> You wish.
>>>
>>> Women let men feel like they are in control.
>>> But they can take that away at any moment they want to.
>>
>> You wish.
>
> See? Your mother did a good job on you letting you think your father
> was/is wearing the jeans in your home.
What the hell are you talking about?
> Do women wrong, and you got big problems coming your way. They will
> only use that as a last resort, but it will be them that end up as
> victors.
Victorias.
Neo
> Thus Neo spoke:
>
>> On 16-5-2010 19:10, emmel wrote:
>>> Thus Neo spoke:
>>>
>>>>>>> Hm... Did that same cat just walk by twice?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What cat?
>>>>>
>>>>> Obref...
>>>>
>>>> Was it a black cat?
>>>
>>> Indeed, it was.
>>
>> Quick! They must have changed something!
>> Check the walls!
>
> Ah, damn. The unblocked the windows. Someone call the bricklayers.
They turned them into caaats!!
>>>>> What do you run xubuntu for anyway?
>>>>
>>>> Mainly for downloading other distributions :-) I seem to have problems
>>>> using bittorrent from Windows Vista most of the time.
>>>
>>> Slackware running rtorrent does a very fine job.
>>
>> I thought you were on dail-up?
>
> That was some loooong time ago. I got better. Not much, but still.
Gratz!
>>>> To be honest, I put it on old hardware that merely supports it. Then I
>>>> give those old machines to people I like (or people that would cause me
>>>> a small fortune in support if they decided to use windows).
>>>
>>> Sounds like your are missing out several fortunes...
>>
>> Asking for money would entitle them to my support. You don't give a
>> donkey support on his computer because they will most probably crap on
>> it.
>
> It works for Microsoft. And very well at that.
Every donkey needs a Windows computer.
To crap on.
>>>> What I like about it is that it updates automatically. And not just the
>>>> OS, but every app on it!
>>>
>>> Every heard of debian?
>>
>> Help me get this right.
>>
>> Debian stable is very old.
>> Ubuntu standard is less old.
>> Debian test is very new but highly unstable.
>
> Nah. Debian comes in three flavours: stable, unstable and testing
> (some call them rusty, stale and broken). Testing has hiccups now and
> then, but is fairly recent and usually works. Unstable has slightly
> older packages, but just works. Stable... is stable. Unstable or testing
> is good for use.
Windows 3.11 is stable? No known exploits in the default install?
(iow no trumpet ppp winsock).
>>>>>>> HTTPS? I should hope not!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You can always hope. But the truth is they probably use HTTP with a
>>>>>> very restrictive firewall (no Chinese IP addresses allowed).
>>>>>
>>>>> If they don't use something more secure I'd be very disappointed.
>>>>
>>>> They use OTP as an additional protocol over HTTP.
>>>> TLA have couriers for keys you know!
>>>
>>> Over HTTP? Geez, they must be completely brain damaged.
>>
>> They hide it in steganography first of course! (duh)
>
> Which there are ways to detect... And requires conspicuously large
> uncompressed files.
But the TLA have *better* steganography. It can only be detected by
using an extensive array of quantum computers.
>>>>>>> There are rumours the pay is good.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nah, they just kill you when you are a treat to national security.
>>>>>> And you are not allowed to tell anyone they told you this.
>>>>>
>>>>> How are you supposed to know anyway?
>>>>
>>>> The trick is not to get caught in such a trap.
>>>> It can be logically deduced that this is how TLA work.
>>>> And it can be defended by the TLA that this is how they should work.
>>>>
>>>> Q.E.D.
>>>
>>> No it isn't. You didn't show anything.
>>
>> By examining it's environment it can be deduced how these agencies will
>> have evolved.
>>
>> If they let anyone get out and tell the world about how they work...
>
> They wouldn't do that, of course.
Every cooperation has unsatisfied employees. There is no reason to
assume the TLA is any different in this.
The difference is that with the TLA they defect to the communists
because those are the only ones who can keep them safe from the yankees.
(Where is the cold war when you need it?)
>> In military warfare, traitors will be shot and killed. The TLA are
>> *always* at war because there is *always* someone to spy on.
>>
>> There are even TLA that search and destroy traitors in other (lower)
>> TLAs.
>
> LOL, WTF. Sorry, couldn't resist.
There are different levels of secrecy in the government.
When you get higher you have to protect your messages from everybody at
a lower level than you are.
The lower levels do not need to know they are lower levels.
>> You want to be a part of that? Better not tell anybody because it can
>> cost you your life (oops, wrong thing to tell you!).
>
> Now you are doomed. Or are you not?
I bet they need another paranoid-schizophrenic to keep thing safe ;-)
>>>>>>>> I stopped coding two years after I started studying computer science.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What a shame. All those people believing computational sciences are
>>>>>>> about computers...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It is, but they just don't know a powerful debugger from a text editor.
>>>>>> It is all 'formal' and no teaching you how to break things (and avoid
>>>>>> others breaking the things you wrote).
>>>>>
>>>>> That's not what computer science does. You have to learn programming to
>>>>> do that. Computer science is about doing stuff that works, not stuff
>>>>> that's failsafe.
>>>>
>>>> Too bad. I just wanted to learn how to program.
>>>>
>>>> Seems to me most cs studies still use a monochrome 80x25 character text
>>>> interface to get things done.
>>>
>>> And with good reason. The text consoles are a lot prettier these days,
>>> though.
>>
>> Does your console blink in 16 colors?
>> Because the first IBM PC could do that.
>
> I choose not to have any blinking, but it can do that. Ubuntu uses blink
> for broken links, I think.
Well, I am not making any changes to my computer right now because they
seem to be running fine.
Did I tell I emulated Windows 3.1 over the last couple of weeks?
Seems I have destroyed my copies of MI and Loom unfortunately. Probably
decided I was never going to (re-)play them.
>>>>>> I spend nearly 3 years at a good university. And I had to learn what
>>>>>> buffer overflows were and how they could be abused on a talk by a true
>>>>>> hacker.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't know if Germany is any better in that respect.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's the science behind computers. Not Programming school.
>>>>
>>>> For me the science behind computers is the microcode of modern
>>>> processors. And all other components of course.
>>>
>>> Misconception.
>>
>> I just like low level more than abstract high level.
>
> Yeah, but it's not portable.
It is very portable because the layers in between machine code and
machine code are trivial to make!
You don't have to code all the layers in between the machine code and
the high level language you are programming in!
>>>> We did some 8080 programming IIRC. But that was just changing code they
>>>> gave you. And no debugger there either!
>>>
>>> Yeah, well, without anything to run the debugger on that was hard to
>>> give you...
>>
>> Funny you should say that now.
>
> How so?
>
>> I have been playing with the new dosbox and I hear people are emulating
>> old debuggers in it to hack things that run in MS-DOS.
>
> Yeah, but dosbox doesn't emulate a 8086. Oh, wait, you said 8080. They
> used those math co-processors, didn't they?
Sorry, I meant 8088. The 8 bit version of the 8086.
>>>> I taught myself 8086 assembly using only the tools that came with
>>>> MS-DOS 3.2. It had a debugger you know...
>>>
>>> Oh, you were talking about assembler? I though you were talking about
>>> machine code.
>>
>> When I am talking about assembler, I see machine code.
>
> Where did you get those glasses?
You can't buy them any more. Limited edition of the The Matrix DVD box.
>>>>>>>> It better not disappoint you when it gets released then.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nah, I don't think so. They've done a pretty good job so far.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But they might not get enough funding because of the recession.
>>>>>
>>>>> If they started getting funding now.
>>>>
>>>> Maybe when the recession is over. In the mean time they can work on the
>>>> story lines (you should too btw!).
>>>
>>> At the moment getting enough sleep is higher priority.
>>
>> Sleep is for wuzzies!
>
> Well, then I am a wuzzie it seems. Whatever that is.
Wuzzies are warm, colourful spheres of soft woolly material.
And they always smile are are friendly.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yup. Point, fire, kill.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Or Point, fire, miss, get killed yourself.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> That would be me...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It is the more fun way.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Especially with rocket throwers. And quad damage. Awesome. (Actually I
>>>>>>>>> remember that being the only way to get to a hidden place on one of the
>>>>>>>>> Quake 3 maps. Armour helped a lot to get the actual benefits of that.)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Which map? I have a friend who spends all his free time fragging Quake
>>>>>>>> III on a new Mac Mini (9400M graphics card).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sorry, can't remember the name. It was the one with the huge outside
>>>>>>> with plenty of lava and a two level inside. The basement had a long
>>>>>>> bridge over lava with a goodie in the middle and large axe/hammers
>>>>>>> swinging across in on either sides. Does that ring a bell?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I always avoided that part because it slowed down my frag rate.
>>>>>> And because I fell in the lava of course :-)
>>>>>
>>>>> Fun, though. Especially with a rail gun at the far end.
>>>>
>>>> A rail gun is no use up close.
>>>
>>> Depends on your opponents armour.
>>
>> I'll be waiting for you near the armour then. With a shotgun or
>> something better at close range.
>
> Camping doesn't really work well. You constantly get killed.
That is because they can come from two sides!
When you camp in a dead end, around a corner when they can't see you,
you get free kills if they insist on getting the rail gun each time.
>>>>>> But women usually control their men.
>>>>>> I don't know how, but women just do that.
>>>>>
>>>>> You wish.
>>>>
>>>> Women let men feel like they are in control.
>>>> But they can take that away at any moment they want to.
>>>
>>> You wish.
>>
>> See? Your mother did a good job on you letting you think your father
>> was/is wearing the jeans in your home.
>
> What the hell are you talking about?
So your mum is really wearing jeans?
>> Do women wrong, and you got big problems coming your way. They will
>> only use that as a last resort, but it will be them that end up as
>> victors.
>
> Victorias.
Ack.
emmel
> On 25-5-2010 8:04, emmel wrote:
>> Thus Neo spoke:
>>
>>> On 16-5-2010 19:10, emmel wrote:
>>>> Thus Neo spoke:
>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hm... Did that same cat just walk by twice?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What cat?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Obref...
>>>>>
>>>>> Was it a black cat?
>>>>
>>>> Indeed, it was.
>>>
>>> Quick! They must have changed something!
>>> Check the walls!
>>
>> Ah, damn. The unblocked the windows. Someone call the bricklayers.
>
> They turned them into caaats!!
Damn. On the other hands... Here, kitty!
>>>>>> What do you run xubuntu for anyway?
>>>>>
>>>>> Mainly for downloading other distributions :-) I seem to have problems
>>>>> using bittorrent from Windows Vista most of the time.
>>>>
>>>> Slackware running rtorrent does a very fine job.
>>>
>>> I thought you were on dail-up?
>>
>> That was some loooong time ago. I got better. Not much, but still.
>
> Gratz!
Huh?
>>>>> To be honest, I put it on old hardware that merely supports it. Then I
>>>>> give those old machines to people I like (or people that would cause me
>>>>> a small fortune in support if they decided to use windows).
>>>>
>>>> Sounds like your are missing out several fortunes...
>>>
>>> Asking for money would entitle them to my support. You don't give a
>>> donkey support on his computer because they will most probably crap on
>>> it.
>>
>> It works for Microsoft. And very well at that.
>
> Every donkey needs a Windows computer.
> To crap on.
Hey, it's not the computer's fault.
>>>>> What I like about it is that it updates automatically. And not just the
>>>>> OS, but every app on it!
>>>>
>>>> Every heard of debian?
>>>
>>> Help me get this right.
>>>
>>> Debian stable is very old.
>>> Ubuntu standard is less old.
>>> Debian test is very new but highly unstable.
>>
>> Nah. Debian comes in three flavours: stable, unstable and testing
>> (some call them rusty, stale and broken). Testing has hiccups now and
>> then, but is fairly recent and usually works. Unstable has slightly
>> older packages, but just works. Stable... is stable. Unstable or testing
>> is good for use.
>
> Windows 3.11 is stable? No known exploits in the default install?
> (iow no trumpet ppp winsock).
Weren't we talking Debian?
>>>>>>>> HTTPS? I should hope not!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You can always hope. But the truth is they probably use HTTP with a
>>>>>>> very restrictive firewall (no Chinese IP addresses allowed).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If they don't use something more secure I'd be very disappointed.
>>>>>
>>>>> They use OTP as an additional protocol over HTTP.
>>>>> TLA have couriers for keys you know!
>>>>
>>>> Over HTTP? Geez, they must be completely brain damaged.
>>>
>>> They hide it in steganography first of course! (duh)
>>
>> Which there are ways to detect... And requires conspicuously large
>> uncompressed files.
>
> But the TLA have *better* steganography. It can only be detected by
> using an extensive array of quantum computers.
Good thing I have one in the basement.
>>>>>>>> There are rumours the pay is good.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nah, they just kill you when you are a treat to national security.
>>>>>>> And you are not allowed to tell anyone they told you this.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How are you supposed to know anyway?
>>>>>
>>>>> The trick is not to get caught in such a trap.
>>>>> It can be logically deduced that this is how TLA work.
>>>>> And it can be defended by the TLA that this is how they should work.
>>>>>
>>>>> Q.E.D.
>>>>
>>>> No it isn't. You didn't show anything.
>>>
>>> By examining it's environment it can be deduced how these agencies will
>>> have evolved.
>>>
>>> If they let anyone get out and tell the world about how they work...
>>
>> They wouldn't do that, of course.
>
> Every cooperation has unsatisfied employees. There is no reason to
> assume the TLA is any different in this.
>
> The difference is that with the TLA they defect to the communists
> because those are the only ones who can keep them safe from the yankees.
>
> (Where is the cold war when you need it?)
Gulf of Mexico. Deep undercover operations trying to unsuccessfully
contain a spill.
>>> In military warfare, traitors will be shot and killed. The TLA are
>>> *always* at war because there is *always* someone to spy on.
>>>
>>> There are even TLA that search and destroy traitors in other (lower)
>>> TLAs.
>>
>> LOL, WTF. Sorry, couldn't resist.
>
> There are different levels of secrecy in the government.
>
> When you get higher you have to protect your messages from everybody at
> a lower level than you are.
>
> The lower levels do not need to know they are lower levels.
Yeah, but TLA = Three Letter Acronym. Normally, at least. It's funny
when you read it that way.
>>> You want to be a part of that? Better not tell anybody because it can
>>> cost you your life (oops, wrong thing to tell you!).
>>
>> Now you are doomed. Or are you not?
>
> I bet they need another paranoid-schizophrenic to keep thing safe ;-)
I'm not available at the moment. I'll call back as soon as everyone's
out to get me. Or rather not.
>>>>>>>>> I stopped coding two years after I started studying computer science.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What a shame. All those people believing computational sciences are
>>>>>>>> about computers...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It is, but they just don't know a powerful debugger from a text editor.
>>>>>>> It is all 'formal' and no teaching you how to break things (and avoid
>>>>>>> others breaking the things you wrote).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's not what computer science does. You have to learn programming to
>>>>>> do that. Computer science is about doing stuff that works, not stuff
>>>>>> that's failsafe.
>>>>>
>>>>> Too bad. I just wanted to learn how to program.
>>>>>
>>>>> Seems to me most cs studies still use a monochrome 80x25 character text
>>>>> interface to get things done.
>>>>
>>>> And with good reason. The text consoles are a lot prettier these days,
>>>> though.
>>>
>>> Does your console blink in 16 colors?
>>> Because the first IBM PC could do that.
>>
>> I choose not to have any blinking, but it can do that. Ubuntu uses blink
>> for broken links, I think.
>
> Well, I am not making any changes to my computer right now because they
> seem to be running fine.
man dircolors
> Did I tell I emulated Windows 3.1 over the last couple of weeks?
>
> Seems I have destroyed my copies of MI and Loom unfortunately. Probably
> decided I was never going to (re-)play them.
Oh, oh.
>>>>>>> I spend nearly 3 years at a good university. And I had to learn what
>>>>>>> buffer overflows were and how they could be abused on a talk by a true
>>>>>>> hacker.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't know if Germany is any better in that respect.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's the science behind computers. Not Programming school.
>>>>>
>>>>> For me the science behind computers is the microcode of modern
>>>>> processors. And all other components of course.
>>>>
>>>> Misconception.
>>>
>>> I just like low level more than abstract high level.
>>
>> Yeah, but it's not portable.
>
> It is very portable because the layers in between machine code and
> machine code are trivial to make!
And that makes it unportable...
> You don't have to code all the layers in between the machine code and
> the high level language you are programming in!
No, you rather have to rewrite the whole thing. Completely.
>>>>> We did some 8080 programming IIRC. But that was just changing code they
>>>>> gave you. And no debugger there either!
>>>>
>>>> Yeah, well, without anything to run the debugger on that was hard to
>>>> give you...
>>>
>>> Funny you should say that now.
>>
>> How so?
>>
>>> I have been playing with the new dosbox and I hear people are emulating
>>> old debuggers in it to hack things that run in MS-DOS.
>>
>> Yeah, but dosbox doesn't emulate a 8086. Oh, wait, you said 8080. They
>> used those math co-processors, didn't they?
>
> Sorry, I meant 8088. The 8 bit version of the 8086.
Oh. Can't really remember that one.
>>>>>>>>> It better not disappoint you when it gets released then.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Nah, I don't think so. They've done a pretty good job so far.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But they might not get enough funding because of the recession.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If they started getting funding now.
>>>>>
>>>>> Maybe when the recession is over. In the mean time they can work on the
>>>>> story lines (you should too btw!).
>>>>
>>>> At the moment getting enough sleep is higher priority.
>>>
>>> Sleep is for wuzzies!
>>
>> Well, then I am a wuzzie it seems. Whatever that is.
>
> Wuzzies are warm, colourful spheres of soft woolly material.
> And they always smile are are friendly.
Sounds like you got exposed to too much marketing.
>>>>> A rail gun is no use up close.
>>>>
>>>> Depends on your opponents armour.
>>>
>>> I'll be waiting for you near the armour then. With a shotgun or
>>> something better at close range.
>>
>> Camping doesn't really work well. You constantly get killed.
>
> That is because they can come from two sides!
>
> When you camp in a dead end, around a corner when they can't see you,
> you get free kills if they insist on getting the rail gun each time.
That's where level design enters the equation. There aren't really any
dead ends.
Neo
> Thus Neo spoke:
>
>> On 25-5-2010 8:04, emmel wrote:
>>> Thus Neo spoke:
>>>
>>>> On 16-5-2010 19:10, emmel wrote:
>>>>> Thus Neo spoke:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hm... Did that same cat just walk by twice?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What cat?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Obref...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Was it a black cat?
>>>>>
>>>>> Indeed, it was.
>>>>
>>>> Quick! They must have changed something!
>>>> Check the walls!
>>>
>>> Ah, damn. The unblocked the windows. Someone call the bricklayers.
>>
>> They turned them into caaats!!
>
> Damn. On the other hands... Here, kitty!
A cat?
Where?
Was it a black cat?
>>>>>>> What do you run xubuntu for anyway?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mainly for downloading other distributions :-) I seem to have problems
>>>>>> using bittorrent from Windows Vista most of the time.
>>>>>
>>>>> Slackware running rtorrent does a very fine job.
>>>>
>>>> I thought you were on dail-up?
>>>
>>> That was some loooong time ago. I got better. Not much, but still.
>>
>> Gratz!
>
> Huh?
Gratz is what WoW players say to someone who says 'ding'.
>>>>>> To be honest, I put it on old hardware that merely supports it. Then I
>>>>>> give those old machines to people I like (or people that would cause me
>>>>>> a small fortune in support if they decided to use windows).
>>>>>
>>>>> Sounds like your are missing out several fortunes...
>>>>
>>>> Asking for money would entitle them to my support. You don't give a
>>>> donkey support on his computer because they will most probably crap on
>>>> it.
>>>
>>> It works for Microsoft. And very well at that.
>>
>> Every donkey needs a Windows computer.
>> To crap on.
>
> Hey, it's not the computer's fault.
There are so many things a donkey can do with a windows computer. Like
word processing. Like browsing. Like... word processing. And browsing.
And printing. And putting cups of coffee on the retractable cup holder.
>>>>>> What I like about it is that it updates automatically. And not just the
>>>>>> OS, but every app on it!
>>>>>
>>>>> Every heard of debian?
>>>>
>>>> Help me get this right.
>>>>
>>>> Debian stable is very old.
>>>> Ubuntu standard is less old.
>>>> Debian test is very new but highly unstable.
>>>
>>> Nah. Debian comes in three flavours: stable, unstable and testing
>>> (some call them rusty, stale and broken). Testing has hiccups now and
>>> then, but is fairly recent and usually works. Unstable has slightly
>>> older packages, but just works. Stable... is stable. Unstable or testing
>>> is good for use.
>>
>> Windows 3.11 is stable? No known exploits in the default install?
>> (iow no trumpet ppp winsock).
>
> Weren't we talking Debian?
Windows 3.11 is pretty stale. But it works. If you like Mosaic as your
browser.
>>>>>>>>> HTTPS? I should hope not!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You can always hope. But the truth is they probably use HTTP with a
>>>>>>>> very restrictive firewall (no Chinese IP addresses allowed).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If they don't use something more secure I'd be very disappointed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They use OTP as an additional protocol over HTTP.
>>>>>> TLA have couriers for keys you know!
>>>>>
>>>>> Over HTTP? Geez, they must be completely brain damaged.
>>>>
>>>> They hide it in steganography first of course! (duh)
>>>
>>> Which there are ways to detect... And requires conspicuously large
>>> uncompressed files.
>>
>> But the TLA have *better* steganography. It can only be detected by
>> using an extensive array of quantum computers.
>
> Good thing I have one in the basement.
I knew it!!
>>>>>>>>> There are rumours the pay is good.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Nah, they just kill you when you are a treat to national security.
>>>>>>>> And you are not allowed to tell anyone they told you this.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> How are you supposed to know anyway?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The trick is not to get caught in such a trap.
>>>>>> It can be logically deduced that this is how TLA work.
>>>>>> And it can be defended by the TLA that this is how they should work.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Q.E.D.
>>>>>
>>>>> No it isn't. You didn't show anything.
>>>>
>>>> By examining it's environment it can be deduced how these agencies will
>>>> have evolved.
>>>>
>>>> If they let anyone get out and tell the world about how they work...
>>>
>>> They wouldn't do that, of course.
>>
>> Every cooperation has unsatisfied employees. There is no reason to
>> assume the TLA is any different in this.
>>
>> The difference is that with the TLA they defect to the communists
>> because those are the only ones who can keep them safe from the yankees.
>>
>> (Where is the cold war when you need it?)
>
> Gulf of Mexico. Deep undercover operations trying to unsuccessfully
> contain a spill.
I bet BP is real sad that they cannot refine oil spills.
>>>> In military warfare, traitors will be shot and killed. The TLA are
>>>> *always* at war because there is *always* someone to spy on.
>>>>
>>>> There are even TLA that search and destroy traitors in other (lower)
>>>> TLAs.
>>>
>>> LOL, WTF. Sorry, couldn't resist.
>>
>> There are different levels of secrecy in the government.
>>
>> When you get higher you have to protect your messages from everybody at
>> a lower level than you are.
>>
>> The lower levels do not need to know they are lower levels.
>
> Yeah, but TLA = Three Letter Acronym. Normally, at least. It's funny
> when you read it that way.
NSA, CIA, FBI. MI5.
>>>> You want to be a part of that? Better not tell anybody because it can
>>>> cost you your life (oops, wrong thing to tell you!).
>>>
>>> Now you are doomed. Or are you not?
>>
>> I bet they need another paranoid-schizophrenic to keep thing safe ;-)
>
> I'm not available at the moment. I'll call back as soon as everyone's
> out to get me. Or rather not.
"Just because you are paranoid, doesn't mean they are not out to get
you".
>>>>>>>>>> I stopped coding two years after I started studying computer science.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> What a shame. All those people believing computational sciences are
>>>>>>>>> about computers...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It is, but they just don't know a powerful debugger from a text editor.
>>>>>>>> It is all 'formal' and no teaching you how to break things (and avoid
>>>>>>>> others breaking the things you wrote).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That's not what computer science does. You have to learn programming to
>>>>>>> do that. Computer science is about doing stuff that works, not stuff
>>>>>>> that's failsafe.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Too bad. I just wanted to learn how to program.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Seems to me most cs studies still use a monochrome 80x25 character text
>>>>>> interface to get things done.
>>>>>
>>>>> And with good reason. The text consoles are a lot prettier these days,
>>>>> though.
>>>>
>>>> Does your console blink in 16 colors?
>>>> Because the first IBM PC could do that.
>>>
>>> I choose not to have any blinking, but it can do that. Ubuntu uses blink
>>> for broken links, I think.
>>
>> Well, I am not making any changes to my computer right now because they
>> seem to be running fine.
>
> man dircolors
Sounds fun! Terminal screens is where typing 200+ cpm comes in handy.
>> Did I tell I emulated Windows 3.1 over the last couple of weeks?
>>
>> Seems I have destroyed my copies of MI and Loom unfortunately. Probably
>> decided I was never going to (re-)play them.
>
> Oh, oh.
I also seem to have reused the floppies Starcontrol 2 was on.
Same, because I did a good job cracking that game. Something I am
particularly proud of.
>>>>>>>> I spend nearly 3 years at a good university. And I had to learn what
>>>>>>>> buffer overflows were and how they could be abused on a talk by a true
>>>>>>>> hacker.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I don't know if Germany is any better in that respect.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's the science behind computers. Not Programming school.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For me the science behind computers is the microcode of modern
>>>>>> processors. And all other components of course.
>>>>>
>>>>> Misconception.
>>>>
>>>> I just like low level more than abstract high level.
>>>
>>> Yeah, but it's not portable.
>>
>> It is very portable because the layers in between machine code and
>> machine code are trivial to make!
>
> And that makes it unportable...
If your platform is Intel/AMD and not PowerPC, Sparc and the rest. I
would say x86 code is pretty portable.
>> You don't have to code all the layers in between the machine code and
>> the high level language you are programming in!
>
> No, you rather have to rewrite the whole thing. Completely.
You are thinking GUI.
Without a GUI and just a 8086 and your 16 bit BIOS, there is a lot you
can do.
Just look at all those non-Windows Microsoft games! Most looked a lot
more spectacular than Windows 7 with Aero turned on.
>>>>>> We did some 8080 programming IIRC. But that was just changing code they
>>>>>> gave you. And no debugger there either!
>>>>>
>>>>> Yeah, well, without anything to run the debugger on that was hard to
>>>>> give you...
>>>>
>>>> Funny you should say that now.
>>>
>>> How so?
>>>
>>>> I have been playing with the new dosbox and I hear people are emulating
>>>> old debuggers in it to hack things that run in MS-DOS.
>>>
>>> Yeah, but dosbox doesn't emulate a 8086. Oh, wait, you said 8080. They
>>> used those math co-processors, didn't they?
>>
>> Sorry, I meant 8088. The 8 bit version of the 8086.
>
> Oh. Can't really remember that one.
Timeline (IIRC): 8080, 8088, 8086, 80286, 80386, 80486, Pentium,
Pentium II, etc.
8087 was the mathematical copro for the 8086 (IIRC).
>>>>>>>>>> It better not disappoint you when it gets released then.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Nah, I don't think so. They've done a pretty good job so far.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But they might not get enough funding because of the recession.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If they started getting funding now.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Maybe when the recession is over. In the mean time they can work on the
>>>>>> story lines (you should too btw!).
>>>>>
>>>>> At the moment getting enough sleep is higher priority.
>>>>
>>>> Sleep is for wuzzies!
>>>
>>> Well, then I am a wuzzie it seems. Whatever that is.
>>
>> Wuzzies are warm, colourful spheres of soft woolly material.
>> And they always smile are are friendly.
>
> Sounds like you got exposed to too much marketing.
You bet I did!
I annoy my gf by imitating commercials. Even when there are no
commercials on television at that time.
You bet I am tense. I could kill somebody!!! With a cheaper knife than
the competition uses! At twice the value!
>>>>>> A rail gun is no use up close.
>>>>>
>>>>> Depends on your opponents armour.
>>>>
>>>> I'll be waiting for you near the armour then. With a shotgun or
>>>> something better at close range.
>>>
>>> Camping doesn't really work well. You constantly get killed.
>>
>> That is because they can come from two sides!
>>
>> When you camp in a dead end, around a corner when they can't see you,
>> you get free kills if they insist on getting the rail gun each time.
>
> That's where level design enters the equation. There aren't really any
> dead ends.
You said the rail gun was at a dead end.
emmel
> On 31-5-2010 15:12, emmel wrote:
>> Thus Neo spoke:
>>
>>> On 25-5-2010 8:04, emmel wrote:
>>>> Thus Neo spoke:
>>>>
>>>>> On 16-5-2010 19:10, emmel wrote:
>>>>>> Thus Neo spoke:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hm... Did that same cat just walk by twice?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> What cat?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Obref...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Was it a black cat?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Indeed, it was.
>>>>>
>>>>> Quick! They must have changed something!
>>>>> Check the walls!
>>>>
>>>> Ah, damn. The unblocked the windows. Someone call the bricklayers.
>>>
>>> They turned them into caaats!!
>>
>> Damn. On the other hands... Here, kitty!
>
> A cat?
>
> Where?
>
> Was it a black cat?
You tell me!
>>>>>>>> What do you run xubuntu for anyway?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mainly for downloading other distributions :-) I seem to have problems
>>>>>>> using bittorrent from Windows Vista most of the time.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Slackware running rtorrent does a very fine job.
>>>>>
>>>>> I thought you were on dail-up?
>>>>
>>>> That was some loooong time ago. I got better. Not much, but still.
>>>
>>> Gratz!
>>
>> Huh?
>
> Gratz is what WoW players say to someone who says 'ding'.
Huh?
>>>>>>> To be honest, I put it on old hardware that merely supports it. Then I
>>>>>>> give those old machines to people I like (or people that would cause me
>>>>>>> a small fortune in support if they decided to use windows).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sounds like your are missing out several fortunes...
>>>>>
>>>>> Asking for money would entitle them to my support. You don't give a
>>>>> donkey support on his computer because they will most probably crap on
>>>>> it.
>>>>
>>>> It works for Microsoft. And very well at that.
>>>
>>> Every donkey needs a Windows computer.
>>> To crap on.
>>
>> Hey, it's not the computer's fault.
>
> There are so many things a donkey can do with a windows computer. Like
> word processing. Like browsing. Like... word processing. And browsing.
> And printing. And putting cups of coffee on the retractable cup holder.
If it has a cup holder, the case is lost. Might as well remove the guts
and use that for a door stopper.
>>>>>>> What I like about it is that it updates automatically. And not just the
>>>>>>> OS, but every app on it!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Every heard of debian?
>>>>>
>>>>> Help me get this right.
>>>>>
>>>>> Debian stable is very old.
>>>>> Ubuntu standard is less old.
>>>>> Debian test is very new but highly unstable.
>>>>
>>>> Nah. Debian comes in three flavours: stable, unstable and testing
>>>> (some call them rusty, stale and broken). Testing has hiccups now and
>>>> then, but is fairly recent and usually works. Unstable has slightly
>>>> older packages, but just works. Stable... is stable. Unstable or testing
>>>> is good for use.
>>>
>>> Windows 3.11 is stable? No known exploits in the default install?
>>> (iow no trumpet ppp winsock).
>>
>> Weren't we talking Debian?
>
> Windows 3.11 is pretty stale. But it works. If you like Mosaic as your
> browser.
Erm... Yes. That is No. I do not. (Though some older Opera version
should work...)
>>>>>>>>>> HTTPS? I should hope not!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You can always hope. But the truth is they probably use HTTP with a
>>>>>>>>> very restrictive firewall (no Chinese IP addresses allowed).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If they don't use something more secure I'd be very disappointed.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They use OTP as an additional protocol over HTTP.
>>>>>>> TLA have couriers for keys you know!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Over HTTP? Geez, they must be completely brain damaged.
>>>>>
>>>>> They hide it in steganography first of course! (duh)
>>>>
>>>> Which there are ways to detect... And requires conspicuously large
>>>> uncompressed files.
>>>
>>> But the TLA have *better* steganography. It can only be detected by
>>> using an extensive array of quantum computers.
>>
>> Good thing I have one in the basement.
>
> I knew it!!
Was that ever in question?
>>>>>>>>>> There are rumours the pay is good.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Nah, they just kill you when you are a treat to national security.
>>>>>>>>> And you are not allowed to tell anyone they told you this.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> How are you supposed to know anyway?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The trick is not to get caught in such a trap.
>>>>>>> It can be logically deduced that this is how TLA work.
>>>>>>> And it can be defended by the TLA that this is how they should work.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Q.E.D.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No it isn't. You didn't show anything.
>>>>>
>>>>> By examining it's environment it can be deduced how these agencies will
>>>>> have evolved.
>>>>>
>>>>> If they let anyone get out and tell the world about how they work...
>>>>
>>>> They wouldn't do that, of course.
>>>
>>> Every cooperation has unsatisfied employees. There is no reason to
>>> assume the TLA is any different in this.
>>>
>>> The difference is that with the TLA they defect to the communists
>>> because those are the only ones who can keep them safe from the yankees.
>>>
>>> (Where is the cold war when you need it?)
>>
>> Gulf of Mexico. Deep undercover operations trying to unsuccessfully
>> contain a spill.
>
> I bet BP is real sad that they cannot refine oil spills.
Yeah, this time the oil is going to cost them. Unfortunately that won't
be enough to serve as a real lesson. Unless they go bankrupt. Though
that probably wouldn't be desirable either.
>>>>> In military warfare, traitors will be shot and killed. The TLA are
>>>>> *always* at war because there is *always* someone to spy on.
>>>>>
>>>>> There are even TLA that search and destroy traitors in other (lower)
>>>>> TLAs.
>>>>
>>>> LOL, WTF. Sorry, couldn't resist.
>>>
>>> There are different levels of secrecy in the government.
>>>
>>> When you get higher you have to protect your messages from everybody at
>>> a lower level than you are.
>>>
>>> The lower levels do not need to know they are lower levels.
>>
>> Yeah, but TLA = Three Letter Acronym. Normally, at least. It's funny
>> when you read it that way.
>
> NSA, CIA, FBI. MI5.
MI5 is no TLA. Hell, 5 is not even a letter.
>>>>> You want to be a part of that? Better not tell anybody because it can
>>>>> cost you your life (oops, wrong thing to tell you!).
>>>>
>>>> Now you are doomed. Or are you not?
>>>
>>> I bet they need another paranoid-schizophrenic to keep thing safe ;-)
>>
>> I'm not available at the moment. I'll call back as soon as everyone's
>> out to get me. Or rather not.
>
> "Just because you are paranoid, doesn't mean they are not out to get
> you".
I'm so paranoid, I have shaken off my pursuers!
>>>>>>>>>>> I stopped coding two years after I started studying computer science.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> What a shame. All those people believing computational sciences are
>>>>>>>>>> about computers...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It is, but they just don't know a powerful debugger from a text editor.
>>>>>>>>> It is all 'formal' and no teaching you how to break things (and avoid
>>>>>>>>> others breaking the things you wrote).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That's not what computer science does. You have to learn programming to
>>>>>>>> do that. Computer science is about doing stuff that works, not stuff
>>>>>>>> that's failsafe.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Too bad. I just wanted to learn how to program.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Seems to me most cs studies still use a monochrome 80x25 character text
>>>>>>> interface to get things done.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And with good reason. The text consoles are a lot prettier these days,
>>>>>> though.
>>>>>
>>>>> Does your console blink in 16 colors?
>>>>> Because the first IBM PC could do that.
>>>>
>>>> I choose not to have any blinking, but it can do that. Ubuntu uses blink
>>>> for broken links, I think.
>>>
>>> Well, I am not making any changes to my computer right now because they
>>> seem to be running fine.
>>
>> man dircolors
>
> Sounds fun! Terminal screens is where typing 200+ cpm comes in handy.
Erm... I use a terminal for news and mail and writing and...
>>> Did I tell I emulated Windows 3.1 over the last couple of weeks?
>>>
>>> Seems I have destroyed my copies of MI and Loom unfortunately. Probably
>>> decided I was never going to (re-)play them.
>>
>> Oh, oh.
>
> I also seem to have reused the floppies Starcontrol 2 was on.
>
> Same, because I did a good job cracking that game. Something I am
> particularly proud of.
I guess everyone needs something to be proud of.
>>>>>>>>> I spend nearly 3 years at a good university. And I had to learn what
>>>>>>>>> buffer overflows were and how they could be abused on a talk by a true
>>>>>>>>> hacker.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I don't know if Germany is any better in that respect.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It's the science behind computers. Not Programming school.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For me the science behind computers is the microcode of modern
>>>>>>> processors. And all other components of course.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Misconception.
>>>>>
>>>>> I just like low level more than abstract high level.
>>>>
>>>> Yeah, but it's not portable.
>>>
>>> It is very portable because the layers in between machine code and
>>> machine code are trivial to make!
>>
>> And that makes it unportable...
>
> If your platform is Intel/AMD and not PowerPC, Sparc and the rest. I
> would say x86 code is pretty portable.
What about an Alpha? I've written code for an Alpha...
>>> You don't have to code all the layers in between the machine code and
>>> the high level language you are programming in!
>>
>> No, you rather have to rewrite the whole thing. Completely.
>
> You are thinking GUI.
No, I'm thinking usable program. GlibC?
> Without a GUI and just a 8086 and your 16 bit BIOS, there is a lot you
> can do.
Sure, but is it worth it?
> Just look at all those non-Windows Microsoft games! Most looked a lot
> more spectacular than Windows 7 with Aero turned on.
Plenty of them were not written in assembler, you know.
>>>>>>> We did some 8080 programming IIRC. But that was just changing code they
>>>>>>> gave you. And no debugger there either!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yeah, well, without anything to run the debugger on that was hard to
>>>>>> give you...
>>>>>
>>>>> Funny you should say that now.
>>>>
>>>> How so?
>>>>
>>>>> I have been playing with the new dosbox and I hear people are emulating
>>>>> old debuggers in it to hack things that run in MS-DOS.
>>>>
>>>> Yeah, but dosbox doesn't emulate a 8086. Oh, wait, you said 8080. They
>>>> used those math co-processors, didn't they?
>>>
>>> Sorry, I meant 8088. The 8 bit version of the 8086.
>>
>> Oh. Can't really remember that one.
>
> Timeline (IIRC): 8080, 8088, 8086, 80286, 80386, 80486, Pentium,
> Pentium II, etc.
>
> 8087 was the mathematical copro for the 8086 (IIRC).
I'm not good with numbers...
>>>>>>>>>>> It better not disappoint you when it gets released then.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Nah, I don't think so. They've done a pretty good job so far.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> But they might not get enough funding because of the recession.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If they started getting funding now.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Maybe when the recession is over. In the mean time they can work on the
>>>>>>> story lines (you should too btw!).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> At the moment getting enough sleep is higher priority.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sleep is for wuzzies!
>>>>
>>>> Well, then I am a wuzzie it seems. Whatever that is.
>>>
>>> Wuzzies are warm, colourful spheres of soft woolly material.
>>> And they always smile are are friendly.
>>
>> Sounds like you got exposed to too much marketing.
>
> You bet I did!
>
> I annoy my gf by imitating commercials. Even when there are no
> commercials on television at that time.
Poor girlfriend...
> You bet I am tense. I could kill somebody!!! With a cheaper knife than
> the competition uses! At twice the value!
Erm... Can't think of anyone right now.
>>>>>>> A rail gun is no use up close.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Depends on your opponents armour.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'll be waiting for you near the armour then. With a shotgun or
>>>>> something better at close range.
>>>>
>>>> Camping doesn't really work well. You constantly get killed.
>>>
>>> That is because they can come from two sides!
>>>
>>> When you camp in a dead end, around a corner when they can't see you,
>>> you get free kills if they insist on getting the rail gun each time.
>>
>> That's where level design enters the equation. There aren't really any
>> dead ends.
>
> You said the rail gun was at a dead end.
The railgun? Weren't we talking about the BFG? Anyway, there are dead
ends. In a way. Only those places are usually not of the sort
enemy-can't-shoot-you-from-behind.
Neo
> Thus Neo spoke:
>
>> On 31-5-2010 15:12, emmel wrote:
>>> Thus Neo spoke:
>>>
>>>> On 25-5-2010 8:04, emmel wrote:
>>>>> Thus Neo spoke:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 16-5-2010 19:10, emmel wrote:
>>>>>>> Thus Neo spoke:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hm... Did that same cat just walk by twice?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> What cat?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Obref...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Was it a black cat?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Indeed, it was.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Quick! They must have changed something!
>>>>>> Check the walls!
>>>>>
>>>>> Ah, damn. The unblocked the windows. Someone call the bricklayers.
>>>>
>>>> They turned them into caaats!!
>>>
>>> Damn. On the other hands... Here, kitty!
>>
>> A cat?
>>
>> Where?
>>
>> Was it a black cat?
>
> You tell me!
The bricklayers or your cat?
>>>>>>>>> What do you run xubuntu for anyway?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Mainly for downloading other distributions :-) I seem to have problems
>>>>>>>> using bittorrent from Windows Vista most of the time.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Slackware running rtorrent does a very fine job.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I thought you were on dail-up?
>>>>>
>>>>> That was some loooong time ago. I got better. Not much, but still.
>>>>
>>>> Gratz!
>>>
>>> Huh?
>>
>> Gratz is what WoW players say to someone who says 'ding'.
>
> Huh?
When you level up because you have enough xp you hear 'ding' on your
speakers. That is where it comes from.
>>>>>>>> To be honest, I put it on old hardware that merely supports it. Then I
>>>>>>>> give those old machines to people I like (or people that would cause me
>>>>>>>> a small fortune in support if they decided to use windows).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sounds like your are missing out several fortunes...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Asking for money would entitle them to my support. You don't give a
>>>>>> donkey support on his computer because they will most probably crap on
>>>>>> it.
>>>>>
>>>>> It works for Microsoft. And very well at that.
>>>>
>>>> Every donkey needs a Windows computer.
>>>> To crap on.
>>>
>>> Hey, it's not the computer's fault.
>>
>> There are so many things a donkey can do with a windows computer. Like
>> word processing. Like browsing. Like... word processing. And browsing.
>> And printing. And putting cups of coffee on the retractable cup holder.
>
> If it has a cup holder, the case is lost. Might as well remove the guts
> and use that for a door stopper.
Retractable cup holders!
But you shouldn't boot your pc with a cup on the cup holder, because it
will retract. (learned the hard way).
>>>>>>>> What I like about it is that it updates automatically. And not just the
>>>>>>>> OS, but every app on it!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Every heard of debian?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Help me get this right.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Debian stable is very old.
>>>>>> Ubuntu standard is less old.
>>>>>> Debian test is very new but highly unstable.
>>>>>
>>>>> Nah. Debian comes in three flavours: stable, unstable and testing
>>>>> (some call them rusty, stale and broken). Testing has hiccups now and
>>>>> then, but is fairly recent and usually works. Unstable has slightly
>>>>> older packages, but just works. Stable... is stable. Unstable or testing
>>>>> is good for use.
>>>>
>>>> Windows 3.11 is stable? No known exploits in the default install?
>>>> (iow no trumpet ppp winsock).
>>>
>>> Weren't we talking Debian?
>>
>> Windows 3.11 is pretty stale. But it works. If you like Mosaic as your
>> browser.
>
> Erm... Yes. That is No. I do not. (Though some older Opera version
> should work...)
Mosaic was the only browser before Netscape took over. Then IE, then
the rest.
>>>>>>>>>>> HTTPS? I should hope not!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You can always hope. But the truth is they probably use HTTP with a
>>>>>>>>>> very restrictive firewall (no Chinese IP addresses allowed).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If they don't use something more secure I'd be very disappointed.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> They use OTP as an additional protocol over HTTP.
>>>>>>>> TLA have couriers for keys you know!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Over HTTP? Geez, they must be completely brain damaged.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They hide it in steganography first of course! (duh)
>>>>>
>>>>> Which there are ways to detect... And requires conspicuously large
>>>>> uncompressed files.
>>>>
>>>> But the TLA have *better* steganography. It can only be detected by
>>>> using an extensive array of quantum computers.
>>>
>>> Good thing I have one in the basement.
>>
>> I knew it!!
>
> Was that ever in question?
No.
>>>>>>>>>>> There are rumours the pay is good.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Nah, they just kill you when you are a treat to national security.
>>>>>>>>>> And you are not allowed to tell anyone they told you this.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> How are you supposed to know anyway?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The trick is not to get caught in such a trap.
>>>>>>>> It can be logically deduced that this is how TLA work.
>>>>>>>> And it can be defended by the TLA that this is how they should work.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Q.E.D.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No it isn't. You didn't show anything.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> By examining it's environment it can be deduced how these agencies will
>>>>>> have evolved.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If they let anyone get out and tell the world about how they work...
>>>>>
>>>>> They wouldn't do that, of course.
>>>>
>>>> Every cooperation has unsatisfied employees. There is no reason to
>>>> assume the TLA is any different in this.
>>>>
>>>> The difference is that with the TLA they defect to the communists
>>>> because those are the only ones who can keep them safe from the yankees.
>>>>
>>>> (Where is the cold war when you need it?)
>>>
>>> Gulf of Mexico. Deep undercover operations trying to unsuccessfully
>>> contain a spill.
>>
>> I bet BP is real sad that they cannot refine oil spills.
>
> Yeah, this time the oil is going to cost them. Unfortunately that won't
> be enough to serve as a real lesson. Unless they go bankrupt. Though
> that probably wouldn't be desirable either.
Big Pollution. BP.
>>>>>> In military warfare, traitors will be shot and killed. The TLA are
>>>>>> *always* at war because there is *always* someone to spy on.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There are even TLA that search and destroy traitors in other (lower)
>>>>>> TLAs.
>>>>>
>>>>> LOL, WTF. Sorry, couldn't resist.
>>>>
>>>> There are different levels of secrecy in the government.
>>>>
>>>> When you get higher you have to protect your messages from everybody at
>>>> a lower level than you are.
>>>>
>>>> The lower levels do not need to know they are lower levels.
>>>
>>> Yeah, but TLA = Three Letter Acronym. Normally, at least. It's funny
>>> when you read it that way.
>>
>> NSA, CIA, FBI. MI5.
>
> MI5 is no TLA. Hell, 5 is not even a letter.
MIF?
>>>>>> You want to be a part of that? Better not tell anybody because it can
>>>>>> cost you your life (oops, wrong thing to tell you!).
>>>>>
>>>>> Now you are doomed. Or are you not?
>>>>
>>>> I bet they need another paranoid-schizophrenic to keep thing safe ;-)
>>>
>>> I'm not available at the moment. I'll call back as soon as everyone's
>>> out to get me. Or rather not.
>>
>> "Just because you are paranoid, doesn't mean they are not out to get
>> you".
>
> I'm so paranoid, I have shaken off my pursuers!
How can you be sure?
They may be observing your from the apartment across the street where
you life.
They know you will be back to read AGC.
>>>>>>>>>>>> I stopped coding two years after I started studying computer science.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> What a shame. All those people believing computational sciences are
>>>>>>>>>>> about computers...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It is, but they just don't know a powerful debugger from a text editor.
>>>>>>>>>> It is all 'formal' and no teaching you how to break things (and avoid
>>>>>>>>>> others breaking the things you wrote).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That's not what computer science does. You have to learn programming to
>>>>>>>>> do that. Computer science is about doing stuff that works, not stuff
>>>>>>>>> that's failsafe.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Too bad. I just wanted to learn how to program.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Seems to me most cs studies still use a monochrome 80x25 character text
>>>>>>>> interface to get things done.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And with good reason. The text consoles are a lot prettier these days,
>>>>>>> though.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Does your console blink in 16 colors?
>>>>>> Because the first IBM PC could do that.
>>>>>
>>>>> I choose not to have any blinking, but it can do that. Ubuntu uses blink
>>>>> for broken links, I think.
>>>>
>>>> Well, I am not making any changes to my computer right now because they
>>>> seem to be running fine.
>>>
>>> man dircolors
>>
>> Sounds fun! Terminal screens is where typing 200+ cpm comes in handy.
>
> Erm... I use a terminal for news and mail and writing and...
How about LaTeX?
>>>> Did I tell I emulated Windows 3.1 over the last couple of weeks?
>>>>
>>>> Seems I have destroyed my copies of MI and Loom unfortunately. Probably
>>>> decided I was never going to (re-)play them.
>>>
>>> Oh, oh.
>>
>> I also seem to have reused the floppies Starcontrol 2 was on.
>>
>> Same, because I did a good job cracking that game. Something I am
>> particularly proud of.
>
> I guess everyone needs something to be proud of.
You can force yourself to be proud of one thing you do each day.
>>>>>>>>>> I spend nearly 3 years at a good university. And I had to learn what
>>>>>>>>>> buffer overflows were and how they could be abused on a talk by a true
>>>>>>>>>> hacker.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I don't know if Germany is any better in that respect.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It's the science behind computers. Not Programming school.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> For me the science behind computers is the microcode of modern
>>>>>>>> processors. And all other components of course.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Misconception.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I just like low level more than abstract high level.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yeah, but it's not portable.
>>>>
>>>> It is very portable because the layers in between machine code and
>>>> machine code are trivial to make!
>>>
>>> And that makes it unportable...
>>
>> If your platform is Intel/AMD and not PowerPC, Sparc and the rest. I
>> would say x86 code is pretty portable.
>
> What about an Alpha? I've written code for an Alpha...
Alpha is probably the best processor ever! (after the PDP-11).
>>>> You don't have to code all the layers in between the machine code and
>>>> the high level language you are programming in!
>>>
>>> No, you rather have to rewrite the whole thing. Completely.
>>
>> You are thinking GUI.
>
> No, I'm thinking usable program. GlibC?
Didn't have that in Turbo C.
A lot of games were written in Turbo C in those days. You could tell by
examining the .exe with a hex viewer.
>> Without a GUI and just a 8086 and your 16 bit BIOS, there is a lot you
>> can do.
>
> Sure, but is it worth it?
If 640 KB of memory is enough for your application...
>> Just look at all those non-Windows Microsoft games! Most looked a lot
>> more spectacular than Windows 7 with Aero turned on.
>
> Plenty of them were not written in assembler, you know.
Most was written in C. You can tell by examining the function calls in
a debugger.
But the fast parts were in assembler.
>>>>>>>> We did some 8080 programming IIRC. But that was just changing code they
>>>>>>>> gave you. And no debugger there either!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yeah, well, without anything to run the debugger on that was hard to
>>>>>>> give you...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Funny you should say that now.
>>>>>
>>>>> How so?
>>>>>
>>>>>> I have been playing with the new dosbox and I hear people are emulating
>>>>>> old debuggers in it to hack things that run in MS-DOS.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yeah, but dosbox doesn't emulate a 8086. Oh, wait, you said 8080. They
>>>>> used those math co-processors, didn't they?
>>>>
>>>> Sorry, I meant 8088. The 8 bit version of the 8086.
>>>
>>> Oh. Can't really remember that one.
>>
>> Timeline (IIRC): 8080, 8088, 8086, 80286, 80386, 80486, Pentium,
>> Pentium II, etc.
>>
>> 8087 was the mathematical copro for the 8086 (IIRC).
>
> I'm not good with numbers...
Why?
>>>>>>>>>>>> It better not disappoint you when it gets released then.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Nah, I don't think so. They've done a pretty good job so far.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> But they might not get enough funding because of the recession.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If they started getting funding now.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Maybe when the recession is over. In the mean time they can work on the
>>>>>>>> story lines (you should too btw!).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> At the moment getting enough sleep is higher priority.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sleep is for wuzzies!
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, then I am a wuzzie it seems. Whatever that is.
>>>>
>>>> Wuzzies are warm, colourful spheres of soft woolly material.
>>>> And they always smile are are friendly.
>>>
>>> Sounds like you got exposed to too much marketing.
>>
>> You bet I did!
>>
>> I annoy my gf by imitating commercials. Even when there are no
>> commercials on television at that time.
>
> Poor girlfriend...
She watches soap series if she gets the chance. Poor bf.
>> You bet I am tense. I could kill somebody!!! With a cheaper knife than
>> the competition uses! At twice the value!
>
> Erm... Can't think of anyone right now.
Is that a good thing or a bad thing?
>>>>>>>> A rail gun is no use up close.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Depends on your opponents armour.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'll be waiting for you near the armour then. With a shotgun or
>>>>>> something better at close range.
>>>>>
>>>>> Camping doesn't really work well. You constantly get killed.
>>>>
>>>> That is because they can come from two sides!
>>>>
>>>> When you camp in a dead end, around a corner when they can't see you,
>>>> you get free kills if they insist on getting the rail gun each time.
>>>
>>> That's where level design enters the equation. There aren't really any
>>> dead ends.
>>
>> You said the rail gun was at a dead end.
>
> The railgun? Weren't we talking about the BFG? Anyway, there are dead
> ends. In a way. Only those places are usually not of the sort
> enemy-can't-shoot-you-from-behind.
The BFG is the bait.
emmel
> On 7-6-2010 11:31, emmel wrote:
>> Thus Neo spoke:
>>
>>>>>> Ah, damn. The unblocked the windows. Someone call the bricklayers.
>>>>>
>>>>> They turned them into caaats!!
>>>>
>>>> Damn. On the other hands... Here, kitty!
>>>
>>> A cat?
>>>
>>> Where?
>>>
>>> Was it a black cat?
>>
>> You tell me!
>
> The bricklayers or your cat?
I don't have a cat.
>>>>>>>>>> What do you run xubuntu for anyway?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Mainly for downloading other distributions :-) I seem to have problems
>>>>>>>>> using bittorrent from Windows Vista most of the time.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Slackware running rtorrent does a very fine job.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I thought you were on dail-up?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That was some loooong time ago. I got better. Not much, but still.
>>>>>
>>>>> Gratz!
>>>>
>>>> Huh?
>>>
>>> Gratz is what WoW players say to someone who says 'ding'.
>>
>> Huh?
>
> When you level up because you have enough xp you hear 'ding' on your
> speakers. That is where it comes from.
Huh?
>>> There are so many things a donkey can do with a windows computer. Like
>>> word processing. Like browsing. Like... word processing. And browsing.
>>> And printing. And putting cups of coffee on the retractable cup holder.
>>
>> If it has a cup holder, the case is lost. Might as well remove the guts
>> and use that for a door stopper.
>
> Retractable cup holders!
>
> But you shouldn't boot your pc with a cup on the cup holder, because it
> will retract. (learned the hard way).
That's just... Whatever happened to desks?
>>>>>>>>> What I like about it is that it updates automatically. And not just the
>>>>>>>>> OS, but every app on it!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Every heard of debian?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Help me get this right.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Debian stable is very old.
>>>>>>> Ubuntu standard is less old.
>>>>>>> Debian test is very new but highly unstable.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nah. Debian comes in three flavours: stable, unstable and testing
>>>>>> (some call them rusty, stale and broken). Testing has hiccups now and
>>>>>> then, but is fairly recent and usually works. Unstable has slightly
>>>>>> older packages, but just works. Stable... is stable. Unstable or testing
>>>>>> is good for use.
>>>>>
>>>>> Windows 3.11 is stable? No known exploits in the default install?
>>>>> (iow no trumpet ppp winsock).
>>>>
>>>> Weren't we talking Debian?
>>>
>>> Windows 3.11 is pretty stale. But it works. If you like Mosaic as your
>>> browser.
>>
>> Erm... Yes. That is No. I do not. (Though some older Opera version
>> should work...)
>
> Mosaic was the only browser before Netscape took over. Then IE, then
> the rest.
Opera is nicer, though.
>>> I bet BP is real sad that they cannot refine oil spills.
>>
>> Yeah, this time the oil is going to cost them. Unfortunately that won't
>> be enough to serve as a real lesson. Unless they go bankrupt. Though
>> that probably wouldn't be desirable either.
>
> Big Pollution. BP.
You are not the first one to say that. I think Greepeace have already
had banners with it.
>>>>>>> In military warfare, traitors will be shot and killed. The TLA are
>>>>>>> *always* at war because there is *always* someone to spy on.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There are even TLA that search and destroy traitors in other (lower)
>>>>>>> TLAs.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> LOL, WTF. Sorry, couldn't resist.
>>>>>
>>>>> There are different levels of secrecy in the government.
>>>>>
>>>>> When you get higher you have to protect your messages from everybody at
>>>>> a lower level than you are.
>>>>>
>>>>> The lower levels do not need to know they are lower levels.
>>>>
>>>> Yeah, but TLA = Three Letter Acronym. Normally, at least. It's funny
>>>> when you read it that way.
>>>
>>> NSA, CIA, FBI. MI5.
>>
>> MI5 is no TLA. Hell, 5 is not even a letter.
>
> MIF?
Nah, not as classy.
>>>>>>> You want to be a part of that? Better not tell anybody because it can
>>>>>>> cost you your life (oops, wrong thing to tell you!).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Now you are doomed. Or are you not?
>>>>>
>>>>> I bet they need another paranoid-schizophrenic to keep thing safe ;-)
>>>>
>>>> I'm not available at the moment. I'll call back as soon as everyone's
>>>> out to get me. Or rather not.
>>>
>>> "Just because you are paranoid, doesn't mean they are not out to get
>>> you".
>>
>> I'm so paranoid, I have shaken off my pursuers!
>
> How can you be sure?
>
> They may be observing your from the apartment across the street where
> you life.
>
> They know you will be back to read AGC.
Will I?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I stopped coding two years after I started studying computer science.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> What a shame. All those people believing computational sciences are
>>>>>>>>>>>> about computers...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> It is, but they just don't know a powerful debugger from a text editor.
>>>>>>>>>>> It is all 'formal' and no teaching you how to break things (and avoid
>>>>>>>>>>> others breaking the things you wrote).
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> That's not what computer science does. You have to learn programming to
>>>>>>>>>> do that. Computer science is about doing stuff that works, not stuff
>>>>>>>>>> that's failsafe.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Too bad. I just wanted to learn how to program.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Seems to me most cs studies still use a monochrome 80x25 character text
>>>>>>>>> interface to get things done.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And with good reason. The text consoles are a lot prettier these days,
>>>>>>>> though.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Does your console blink in 16 colors?
>>>>>>> Because the first IBM PC could do that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I choose not to have any blinking, but it can do that. Ubuntu uses blink
>>>>>> for broken links, I think.
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, I am not making any changes to my computer right now because they
>>>>> seem to be running fine.
>>>>
>>>> man dircolors
>>>
>>> Sounds fun! Terminal screens is where typing 200+ cpm comes in handy.
>>
>> Erm... I use a terminal for news and mail and writing and...
>
> How about LaTeX?
latex is the processor. The sources I write in vim.
>>>>> Did I tell I emulated Windows 3.1 over the last couple of weeks?
>>>>>
>>>>> Seems I have destroyed my copies of MI and Loom unfortunately. Probably
>>>>> decided I was never going to (re-)play them.
>>>>
>>>> Oh, oh.
>>>
>>> I also seem to have reused the floppies Starcontrol 2 was on.
>>>
>>> Same, because I did a good job cracking that game. Something I am
>>> particularly proud of.
>>
>> I guess everyone needs something to be proud of.
>
> You can force yourself to be proud of one thing you do each day.
I cannot.
>>>>>>>>>>> I spend nearly 3 years at a good university. And I had to learn what
>>>>>>>>>>> buffer overflows were and how they could be abused on a talk by a true
>>>>>>>>>>> hacker.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I don't know if Germany is any better in that respect.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It's the science behind computers. Not Programming school.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> For me the science behind computers is the microcode of modern
>>>>>>>>> processors. And all other components of course.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Misconception.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I just like low level more than abstract high level.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yeah, but it's not portable.
>>>>>
>>>>> It is very portable because the layers in between machine code and
>>>>> machine code are trivial to make!
>>>>
>>>> And that makes it unportable...
>>>
>>> If your platform is Intel/AMD and not PowerPC, Sparc and the rest. I
>>> would say x86 code is pretty portable.
>>
>> What about an Alpha? I've written code for an Alpha...
>
> Alpha is probably the best processor ever! (after the PDP-11).
PowerPC?
>>>>> You don't have to code all the layers in between the machine code and
>>>>> the high level language you are programming in!
>>>>
>>>> No, you rather have to rewrite the whole thing. Completely.
>>>
>>> You are thinking GUI.
>>
>> No, I'm thinking usable program. GlibC?
>
> Didn't have that in Turbo C.
You could have.
> A lot of games were written in Turbo C in those days. You could tell by
> examining the .exe with a hex viewer.
Not BGI graphics, though. The compiler was good. I think I still have a
copy somewhere...
>>> Without a GUI and just a 8086 and your 16 bit BIOS, there is a lot you
>>> can do.
>>
>> Sure, but is it worth it?
>
> If 640 KB of memory is enough for your application...
My network drivers need more bits.
>>> Just look at all those non-Windows Microsoft games! Most looked a lot
>>> more spectacular than Windows 7 with Aero turned on.
>>
>> Plenty of them were not written in assembler, you know.
>
> Most was written in C. You can tell by examining the function calls in
> a debugger.
As I was saying.
> But the fast parts were in assembler.
Only a few bits. And: Not portable.
>>>>>>>>> We did some 8080 programming IIRC. But that was just changing code they
>>>>>>>>> gave you. And no debugger there either!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yeah, well, without anything to run the debugger on that was hard to
>>>>>>>> give you...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Funny you should say that now.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How so?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have been playing with the new dosbox and I hear people are emulating
>>>>>>> old debuggers in it to hack things that run in MS-DOS.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yeah, but dosbox doesn't emulate a 8086. Oh, wait, you said 8080. They
>>>>>> used those math co-processors, didn't they?
>>>>>
>>>>> Sorry, I meant 8088. The 8 bit version of the 8086.
>>>>
>>>> Oh. Can't really remember that one.
>>>
>>> Timeline (IIRC): 8080, 8088, 8086, 80286, 80386, 80486, Pentium,
>>> Pentium II, etc.
>>>
>>> 8087 was the mathematical copro for the 8086 (IIRC).
>>
>> I'm not good with numbers...
>
> Why?
Don't know. Never was. Maybe the number system we use just doesn't agree
with me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> It better not disappoint you when it gets released then.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Nah, I don't think so. They've done a pretty good job so far.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> But they might not get enough funding because of the recession.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> If they started getting funding now.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Maybe when the recession is over. In the mean time they can work on the
>>>>>>>>> story lines (you should too btw!).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> At the moment getting enough sleep is higher priority.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sleep is for wuzzies!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, then I am a wuzzie it seems. Whatever that is.
>>>>>
>>>>> Wuzzies are warm, colourful spheres of soft woolly material.
>>>>> And they always smile are are friendly.
>>>>
>>>> Sounds like you got exposed to too much marketing.
>>>
>>> You bet I did!
>>>
>>> I annoy my gf by imitating commercials. Even when there are no
>>> commercials on television at that time.
>>
>> Poor girlfriend...
>
> She watches soap series if she gets the chance. Poor bf.
Oh yeah. Still, worth it.
>>> You bet I am tense. I could kill somebody!!! With a cheaper knife than
>>> the competition uses! At twice the value!
>>
>> Erm... Can't think of anyone right now.
>
> Is that a good thing or a bad thing?
Not sure.
>>>>>>>>> A rail gun is no use up close.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Depends on your opponents armour.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'll be waiting for you near the armour then. With a shotgun or
>>>>>>> something better at close range.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Camping doesn't really work well. You constantly get killed.
>>>>>
>>>>> That is because they can come from two sides!
>>>>>
>>>>> When you camp in a dead end, around a corner when they can't see you,
>>>>> you get free kills if they insist on getting the rail gun each time.
>>>>
>>>> That's where level design enters the equation. There aren't really any
>>>> dead ends.
>>>
>>> You said the rail gun was at a dead end.
>>
>> The railgun? Weren't we talking about the BFG? Anyway, there are dead
>> ends. In a way. Only those places are usually not of the sort
>> enemy-can't-shoot-you-from-behind.
>
> The BFG is the bait.
A bait that delivers delicious nuclear doom...
Neo
> Thus Neo spoke:
>
>> On 7-6-2010 11:31, emmel wrote:
>>> Thus Neo spoke:
>>>
>>>>>>> Ah, damn. The unblocked the windows. Someone call the bricklayers.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They turned them into caaats!!
>>>>>
>>>>> Damn. On the other hands... Here, kitty!
>>>>
>>>> A cat?
>>>>
>>>> Where?
>>>>
>>>> Was it a black cat?
>>>
>>> You tell me!
>>
>> The bricklayers or your cat?
>
> I don't have a cat.
But you saw a cat.
>>>>>>>>>>> What do you run xubuntu for anyway?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Mainly for downloading other distributions :-) I seem to have problems
>>>>>>>>>> using bittorrent from Windows Vista most of the time.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Slackware running rtorrent does a very fine job.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I thought you were on dail-up?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That was some loooong time ago. I got better. Not much, but still.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Gratz!
>>>>>
>>>>> Huh?
>>>>
>>>> Gratz is what WoW players say to someone who says 'ding'.
>>>
>>> Huh?
>>
>> When you level up because you have enough xp you hear 'ding' on your
>> speakers. That is where it comes from.
>
> Huh?
Unfamiliar with MMORPG's?
>>>> There are so many things a donkey can do with a windows computer. Like
>>>> word processing. Like browsing. Like... word processing. And browsing.
>>>> And printing. And putting cups of coffee on the retractable cup holder.
>>>
>>> If it has a cup holder, the case is lost. Might as well remove the guts
>>> and use that for a door stopper.
>>
>> Retractable cup holders!
>>
>> But you shouldn't boot your pc with a cup on the cup holder, because it
>> will retract. (learned the hard way).
>
> That's just... Whatever happened to desks?
There is no space because of all the memo's!!
>>>>>>>>>> What I like about it is that it updates automatically. And not just the
>>>>>>>>>> OS, but every app on it!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Every heard of debian?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Help me get this right.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Debian stable is very old.
>>>>>>>> Ubuntu standard is less old.
>>>>>>>> Debian test is very new but highly unstable.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nah. Debian comes in three flavours: stable, unstable and testing
>>>>>>> (some call them rusty, stale and broken). Testing has hiccups now and
>>>>>>> then, but is fairly recent and usually works. Unstable has slightly
>>>>>>> older packages, but just works. Stable... is stable. Unstable or testing
>>>>>>> is good for use.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Windows 3.11 is stable? No known exploits in the default install?
>>>>>> (iow no trumpet ppp winsock).
>>>>>
>>>>> Weren't we talking Debian?
>>>>
>>>> Windows 3.11 is pretty stale. But it works. If you like Mosaic as your
>>>> browser.
>>>
>>> Erm... Yes. That is No. I do not. (Though some older Opera version
>>> should work...)
>>
>> Mosaic was the only browser before Netscape took over. Then IE, then
>> the rest.
>
> Opera is nicer, though.
I use it quite a lot myself.
>>>> I bet BP is real sad that they cannot refine oil spills.
>>>
>>> Yeah, this time the oil is going to cost them. Unfortunately that won't
>>> be enough to serve as a real lesson. Unless they go bankrupt. Though
>>> that probably wouldn't be desirable either.
>>
>> Big Pollution. BP.
>
> You are not the first one to say that. I think Greepeace have already
> had banners with it.
I know someone who works for greenpeace. I am pretty proud of what she
does!
She wrote a book btw, but you need a creditcard to buy it.
>>>>>>>> In military warfare, traitors will be shot and killed. The TLA are
>>>>>>>> *always* at war because there is *always* someone to spy on.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There are even TLA that search and destroy traitors in other (lower)
>>>>>>>> TLAs.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> LOL, WTF. Sorry, couldn't resist.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There are different levels of secrecy in the government.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When you get higher you have to protect your messages from everybody at
>>>>>> a lower level than you are.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The lower levels do not need to know they are lower levels.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yeah, but TLA = Three Letter Acronym. Normally, at least. It's funny
>>>>> when you read it that way.
>>>>
>>>> NSA, CIA, FBI. MI5.
>>>
>>> MI5 is no TLA. Hell, 5 is not even a letter.
>>
>> MIF?
>
> Nah, not as classy.
As in classyfied?
>>>>>>>> You want to be a part of that? Better not tell anybody because it can
>>>>>>>> cost you your life (oops, wrong thing to tell you!).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Now you are doomed. Or are you not?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I bet they need another paranoid-schizophrenic to keep thing safe ;-)
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm not available at the moment. I'll call back as soon as everyone's
>>>>> out to get me. Or rather not.
>>>>
>>>> "Just because you are paranoid, doesn't mean they are not out to get
>>>> you".
>>>
>>> I'm so paranoid, I have shaken off my pursuers!
>>
>> How can you be sure?
>>
>> They may be observing your from the apartment across the street where
>> you life.
>>
>> They know you will be back to read AGC.
>
> Will I?
I know you did so far.
If Red Dragon posted you would even have a bigger reason to keep coming
back!
I never used it. But I know it exists and what it is for.
>>>>>> Did I tell I emulated Windows 3.1 over the last couple of weeks?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Seems I have destroyed my copies of MI and Loom unfortunately. Probably
>>>>>> decided I was never going to (re-)play them.
>>>>>
>>>>> Oh, oh.
>>>>
>>>> I also seem to have reused the floppies Starcontrol 2 was on.
>>>>
>>>> Same, because I did a good job cracking that game. Something I am
>>>> particularly proud of.
>>>
>>> I guess everyone needs something to be proud of.
>>
>> You can force yourself to be proud of one thing you do each day.
>
> I cannot.
You have to start small. Like getting out of bed ::hurray::. Washing
yourself and getting dressed ::hurray::. Brushing your teeth before you
go to bed ::hurray::
>>>>>>>>>>>> I spend nearly 3 years at a good university. And I had to learn what
>>>>>>>>>>>> buffer overflows were and how they could be abused on a talk by a true
>>>>>>>>>>>> hacker.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't know if Germany is any better in that respect.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> It's the science behind computers. Not Programming school.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> For me the science behind computers is the microcode of modern
>>>>>>>>>> processors. And all other components of course.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Misconception.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I just like low level more than abstract high level.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yeah, but it's not portable.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It is very portable because the layers in between machine code and
>>>>>> machine code are trivial to make!
>>>>>
>>>>> And that makes it unportable...
>>>>
>>>> If your platform is Intel/AMD and not PowerPC, Sparc and the rest. I
>>>> would say x86 code is pretty portable.
>>>
>>> What about an Alpha? I've written code for an Alpha...
>>
>> Alpha is probably the best processor ever! (after the PDP-11).
>
> PowerPC?
It is RISC, but why isn't it as fast as it's intel counterparts?
Because that is why Steve Jobs made Apple go from PowerPC to Intel!
>>>>>> You don't have to code all the layers in between the machine code and
>>>>>> the high level language you are programming in!
>>>>>
>>>>> No, you rather have to rewrite the whole thing. Completely.
>>>>
>>>> You are thinking GUI.
>>>
>>> No, I'm thinking usable program. GlibC?
>>
>> Didn't have that in Turbo C.
>
> You could have.
But I didn't have internet back then.
>> A lot of games were written in Turbo C in those days. You could tell by
>> examining the .exe with a hex viewer.
>
> Not BGI graphics, though. The compiler was good. I think I still have a
> copy somewhere...
It is great! I wrote my assignments for computer science in them.
It caught a lot errors compared to GCC. And it had a DEBUGGER!!! (Which
is great for testing your 'library functions').
>>>> Without a GUI and just a 8086 and your 16 bit BIOS, there is a lot you
>>>> can do.
>>>
>>> Sure, but is it worth it?
>>
>> If 640 KB of memory is enough for your application...
>
> My network drivers need more bits.
We had to code UDP on top of Ethernet in 64 KB... But my test program
allowed me to allocate up to 128 KB in one malloc.
That is what started the argument with the student helper we (I) had.
Because he obviously had no clue as to what was going on!
Oh, we were also supposed to handle 32 KB UDP fragments. As well as
lots of little ones.
And there was an automated test program we could use once a month and
which threw all kinds of cryptic error messages.
>>>> Just look at all those non-Windows Microsoft games! Most looked a lot
>>>> more spectacular than Windows 7 with Aero turned on.
>>>
>>> Plenty of them were not written in assembler, you know.
>>
>> Most was written in C. You can tell by examining the function calls in
>> a debugger.
>
> As I was saying.
>
>> But the fast parts were in assembler.
>
> Only a few bits. And: Not portable.
Large computer games have never been portable (except Quake III maybe).
>>>>>>>>>> We did some 8080 programming IIRC. But that was just changing code they
>>>>>>>>>> gave you. And no debugger there either!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yeah, well, without anything to run the debugger on that was hard to
>>>>>>>>> give you...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Funny you should say that now.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> How so?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have been playing with the new dosbox and I hear people are emulating
>>>>>>>> old debuggers in it to hack things that run in MS-DOS.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yeah, but dosbox doesn't emulate a 8086. Oh, wait, you said 8080. They
>>>>>>> used those math co-processors, didn't they?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sorry, I meant 8088. The 8 bit version of the 8086.
>>>>>
>>>>> Oh. Can't really remember that one.
>>>>
>>>> Timeline (IIRC): 8080, 8088, 8086, 80286, 80386, 80486, Pentium,
>>>> Pentium II, etc.
>>>>
>>>> 8087 was the mathematical copro for the 8086 (IIRC).
>>>
>>> I'm not good with numbers...
>>
>> Why?
>
> Don't know. Never was. Maybe the number system we use just doesn't agree
> with me.
Hexadecimal FTW!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It better not disappoint you when it gets released then.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nah, I don't think so. They've done a pretty good job so far.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> But they might not get enough funding because of the recession.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> If they started getting funding now.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Maybe when the recession is over. In the mean time they can work on the
>>>>>>>>>> story lines (you should too btw!).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> At the moment getting enough sleep is higher priority.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sleep is for wuzzies!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well, then I am a wuzzie it seems. Whatever that is.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wuzzies are warm, colourful spheres of soft woolly material.
>>>>>> And they always smile are are friendly.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sounds like you got exposed to too much marketing.
>>>>
>>>> You bet I did!
>>>>
>>>> I annoy my gf by imitating commercials. Even when there are no
>>>> commercials on television at that time.
>>>
>>> Poor girlfriend...
>>
>> She watches soap series if she gets the chance. Poor bf.
>
> Oh yeah. Still, worth it.
It is true.
Though I had big trouble getting her to leave my flat yesterday. I
think she stayed till almost 2 am (and I was getting very tired way
before that).
>>>> You bet I am tense. I could kill somebody!!! With a cheaper knife than
>>>> the competition uses! At twice the value!
>>>
>>> Erm... Can't think of anyone right now.
>>
>> Is that a good thing or a bad thing?
>
> Not sure.
It is a good thing then!
>>>>>>>>>> A rail gun is no use up close.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Depends on your opponents armour.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'll be waiting for you near the armour then. With a shotgun or
>>>>>>>> something better at close range.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Camping doesn't really work well. You constantly get killed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That is because they can come from two sides!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When you camp in a dead end, around a corner when they can't see you,
>>>>>> you get free kills if they insist on getting the rail gun each time.
>>>>>
>>>>> That's where level design enters the equation. There aren't really any
>>>>> dead ends.
>>>>
>>>> You said the rail gun was at a dead end.
>>>
>>> The railgun? Weren't we talking about the BFG? Anyway, there are dead
>>> ends. In a way. Only those places are usually not of the sort
>>> enemy-can't-shoot-you-from-behind.
>>
>> The BFG is the bait.
>
> A bait that delivers delicious nuclear doom...
If you make it that far down the alley leading to it. With me somewhere
at a random angle from the entry to it.
emmel
> On 14-6-2010 10:57, emmel wrote:
>> Thus Neo spoke:
>>
>>> On 7-6-2010 11:31, emmel wrote:
>>>> Thus Neo spoke:
>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ah, damn. The unblocked the windows. Someone call the bricklayers.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They turned them into caaats!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Damn. On the other hands... Here, kitty!
>>>>>
>>>>> A cat?
>>>>>
>>>>> Where?
>>>>>
>>>>> Was it a black cat?
>>>>
>>>> You tell me!
>>>
>>> The bricklayers or your cat?
>>
>> I don't have a cat.
>
> But you saw a cat.
So I saw a cat I don't have? Or just one I don't own?
>>>>>>>>>>>> What do you run xubuntu for anyway?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Mainly for downloading other distributions :-) I seem to have problems
>>>>>>>>>>> using bittorrent from Windows Vista most of the time.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Slackware running rtorrent does a very fine job.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I thought you were on dail-up?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That was some loooong time ago. I got better. Not much, but still.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Gratz!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Huh?
>>>>>
>>>>> Gratz is what WoW players say to someone who says 'ding'.
>>>>
>>>> Huh?
>>>
>>> When you level up because you have enough xp you hear 'ding' on your
>>> speakers. That is where it comes from.
>>
>> Huh?
>
> Unfamiliar with MMORPG's?
I just don't see the connection between 'ding' and 'gratz'.
>>>>> There are so many things a donkey can do with a windows computer. Like
>>>>> word processing. Like browsing. Like... word processing. And browsing.
>>>>> And printing. And putting cups of coffee on the retractable cup holder.
>>>>
>>>> If it has a cup holder, the case is lost. Might as well remove the guts
>>>> and use that for a door stopper.
>>>
>>> Retractable cup holders!
>>>
>>> But you shouldn't boot your pc with a cup on the cup holder, because it
>>> will retract. (learned the hard way).
>>
>> That's just... Whatever happened to desks?
>
> There is no space because of all the memo's!!
Didn't I burn those?
>>>>>>>>>>> What I like about it is that it updates automatically. And not just the
>>>>>>>>>>> OS, but every app on it!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Every heard of debian?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Help me get this right.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Debian stable is very old.
>>>>>>>>> Ubuntu standard is less old.
>>>>>>>>> Debian test is very new but highly unstable.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Nah. Debian comes in three flavours: stable, unstable and testing
>>>>>>>> (some call them rusty, stale and broken). Testing has hiccups now and
>>>>>>>> then, but is fairly recent and usually works. Unstable has slightly
>>>>>>>> older packages, but just works. Stable... is stable. Unstable or testing
>>>>>>>> is good for use.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Windows 3.11 is stable? No known exploits in the default install?
>>>>>>> (iow no trumpet ppp winsock).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Weren't we talking Debian?
>>>>>
>>>>> Windows 3.11 is pretty stale. But it works. If you like Mosaic as your
>>>>> browser.
>>>>
>>>> Erm... Yes. That is No. I do not. (Though some older Opera version
>>>> should work...)
>>>
>>> Mosaic was the only browser before Netscape took over. Then IE, then
>>> the rest.
>>
>> Opera is nicer, though.
>
> I use it quite a lot myself.
I hardly use another one.
>>>>> I bet BP is real sad that they cannot refine oil spills.
>>>>
>>>> Yeah, this time the oil is going to cost them. Unfortunately that won't
>>>> be enough to serve as a real lesson. Unless they go bankrupt. Though
>>>> that probably wouldn't be desirable either.
>>>
>>> Big Pollution. BP.
>>
>> You are not the first one to say that. I think Greepeace have already
>> had banners with it.
>
> I know someone who works for greenpeace. I am pretty proud of what she
> does!
>
> She wrote a book btw, but you need a creditcard to buy it.
That excuses me from an excuse of reading it.
>>>>>>>>> In military warfare, traitors will be shot and killed. The TLA are
>>>>>>>>> *always* at war because there is *always* someone to spy on.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> There are even TLA that search and destroy traitors in other (lower)
>>>>>>>>> TLAs.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> LOL, WTF. Sorry, couldn't resist.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There are different levels of secrecy in the government.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> When you get higher you have to protect your messages from everybody at
>>>>>>> a lower level than you are.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The lower levels do not need to know they are lower levels.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yeah, but TLA = Three Letter Acronym. Normally, at least. It's funny
>>>>>> when you read it that way.
>>>>>
>>>>> NSA, CIA, FBI. MI5.
>>>>
>>>> MI5 is no TLA. Hell, 5 is not even a letter.
>>>
>>> MIF?
>>
>> Nah, not as classy.
>
> As in classyfied?
Nah, as is 'with style'.
>>>>>>>>> You want to be a part of that? Better not tell anybody because it can
>>>>>>>>> cost you your life (oops, wrong thing to tell you!).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Now you are doomed. Or are you not?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I bet they need another paranoid-schizophrenic to keep thing safe ;-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm not available at the moment. I'll call back as soon as everyone's
>>>>>> out to get me. Or rather not.
>>>>>
>>>>> "Just because you are paranoid, doesn't mean they are not out to get
>>>>> you".
>>>>
>>>> I'm so paranoid, I have shaken off my pursuers!
>>>
>>> How can you be sure?
>>>
>>> They may be observing your from the apartment across the street where
>>> you life.
>>>
>>> They know you will be back to read AGC.
>>
>> Will I?
>
> I know you did so far.
I'm just bored from time to time. Not enough, though.
> If Red Dragon posted you would even have a bigger reason to keep coming
> back!
Face it, this place is dead.
Well, I use it a lot. Works like a charm for creating PDFs.
>>>>>>> Did I tell I emulated Windows 3.1 over the last couple of weeks?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Seems I have destroyed my copies of MI and Loom unfortunately. Probably
>>>>>>> decided I was never going to (re-)play them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Oh, oh.
>>>>>
>>>>> I also seem to have reused the floppies Starcontrol 2 was on.
>>>>>
>>>>> Same, because I did a good job cracking that game. Something I am
>>>>> particularly proud of.
>>>>
>>>> I guess everyone needs something to be proud of.
>>>
>>> You can force yourself to be proud of one thing you do each day.
>>
>> I cannot.
>
> You have to start small. Like getting out of bed ::hurray::. Washing
> yourself and getting dressed ::hurray::. Brushing your teeth before you
> go to bed ::hurray::
That's... depressing.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I spend nearly 3 years at a good university. And I had to learn what
>>>>>>>>>>>>> buffer overflows were and how they could be abused on a talk by a true
>>>>>>>>>>>>> hacker.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't know if Germany is any better in that respect.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> It's the science behind computers. Not Programming school.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> For me the science behind computers is the microcode of modern
>>>>>>>>>>> processors. And all other components of course.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Misconception.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I just like low level more than abstract high level.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yeah, but it's not portable.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It is very portable because the layers in between machine code and
>>>>>>> machine code are trivial to make!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And that makes it unportable...
>>>>>
>>>>> If your platform is Intel/AMD and not PowerPC, Sparc and the rest. I
>>>>> would say x86 code is pretty portable.
>>>>
>>>> What about an Alpha? I've written code for an Alpha...
>>>
>>> Alpha is probably the best processor ever! (after the PDP-11).
>>
>> PowerPC?
>
> It is RISC, but why isn't it as fast as it's intel counterparts?
> Because that is why Steve Jobs made Apple go from PowerPC to Intel!
Weren't both RISC or almost at any rate?
>>>>>>> You don't have to code all the layers in between the machine code and
>>>>>>> the high level language you are programming in!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No, you rather have to rewrite the whole thing. Completely.
>>>>>
>>>>> You are thinking GUI.
>>>>
>>>> No, I'm thinking usable program. GlibC?
>>>
>>> Didn't have that in Turbo C.
>>
>> You could have.
>
> But I didn't have internet back then.
Bummer.
>>> A lot of games were written in Turbo C in those days. You could tell by
>>> examining the .exe with a hex viewer.
>>
>> Not BGI graphics, though. The compiler was good. I think I still have a
>> copy somewhere...
>
> It is great! I wrote my assignments for computer science in them.
> It caught a lot errors compared to GCC. And it had a DEBUGGER!!! (Which
> is great for testing your 'library functions').
gdb... Yeah, I know what you mean. The IDE with inline debugger was
great. About those errors gdb didn't catch... You just have to put gcc
into strict mode.
>>>>> Without a GUI and just a 8086 and your 16 bit BIOS, there is a lot you
>>>>> can do.
>>>>
>>>> Sure, but is it worth it?
>>>
>>> If 640 KB of memory is enough for your application...
>>
>> My network drivers need more bits.
>
> We had to code UDP on top of Ethernet in 64 KB... But my test program
> allowed me to allocate up to 128 KB in one malloc.
>
> That is what started the argument with the student helper we (I) had.
> Because he obviously had no clue as to what was going on!
>
> Oh, we were also supposed to handle 32 KB UDP fragments. As well as
> lots of little ones.
>
> And there was an automated test program we could use once a month and
> which threw all kinds of cryptic error messages.
Hehe. The only real kind.
>>>>> Just look at all those non-Windows Microsoft games! Most looked a lot
>>>>> more spectacular than Windows 7 with Aero turned on.
>>>>
>>>> Plenty of them were not written in assembler, you know.
>>>
>>> Most was written in C. You can tell by examining the function calls in
>>> a debugger.
>>
>> As I was saying.
>>
>>> But the fast parts were in assembler.
>>
>> Only a few bits. And: Not portable.
>
> Large computer games have never been portable (except Quake III maybe).
Oh, Quake I and II as well. And C3/DS...
>>>>>>>>>>> We did some 8080 programming IIRC. But that was just changing code they
>>>>>>>>>>> gave you. And no debugger there either!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, well, without anything to run the debugger on that was hard to
>>>>>>>>>> give you...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Funny you should say that now.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> How so?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I have been playing with the new dosbox and I hear people are emulating
>>>>>>>>> old debuggers in it to hack things that run in MS-DOS.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yeah, but dosbox doesn't emulate a 8086. Oh, wait, you said 8080. They
>>>>>>>> used those math co-processors, didn't they?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sorry, I meant 8088. The 8 bit version of the 8086.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Oh. Can't really remember that one.
>>>>>
>>>>> Timeline (IIRC): 8080, 8088, 8086, 80286, 80386, 80486, Pentium,
>>>>> Pentium II, etc.
>>>>>
>>>>> 8087 was the mathematical copro for the 8086 (IIRC).
>>>>
>>>> I'm not good with numbers...
>>>
>>> Why?
>>
>> Don't know. Never was. Maybe the number system we use just doesn't agree
>> with me.
>
> Hexadecimal FTW!!
I concur.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It better not disappoint you when it gets released then.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nah, I don't think so. They've done a pretty good job so far.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> But they might not get enough funding because of the recession.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> If they started getting funding now.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe when the recession is over. In the mean time they can work on the
>>>>>>>>>>> story lines (you should too btw!).
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> At the moment getting enough sleep is higher priority.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sleep is for wuzzies!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Well, then I am a wuzzie it seems. Whatever that is.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Wuzzies are warm, colourful spheres of soft woolly material.
>>>>>>> And they always smile are are friendly.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sounds like you got exposed to too much marketing.
>>>>>
>>>>> You bet I did!
>>>>>
>>>>> I annoy my gf by imitating commercials. Even when there are no
>>>>> commercials on television at that time.
>>>>
>>>> Poor girlfriend...
>>>
>>> She watches soap series if she gets the chance. Poor bf.
>>
>> Oh yeah. Still, worth it.
>
> It is true.
>
> Though I had big trouble getting her to leave my flat yesterday. I
> think she stayed till almost 2 am (and I was getting very tired way
> before that).
Erm, bed? I don't quite see the problem.
>>>>> You bet I am tense. I could kill somebody!!! With a cheaper knife than
>>>>> the competition uses! At twice the value!
>>>>
>>>> Erm... Can't think of anyone right now.
>>>
>>> Is that a good thing or a bad thing?
>>
>> Not sure.
>
> It is a good thing then!
I don't think so.
>>>>>>>>>>> A rail gun is no use up close.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Depends on your opponents armour.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'll be waiting for you near the armour then. With a shotgun or
>>>>>>>>> something better at close range.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Camping doesn't really work well. You constantly get killed.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That is because they can come from two sides!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> When you camp in a dead end, around a corner when they can't see you,
>>>>>>> you get free kills if they insist on getting the rail gun each time.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's where level design enters the equation. There aren't really any
>>>>>> dead ends.
>>>>>
>>>>> You said the rail gun was at a dead end.
>>>>
>>>> The railgun? Weren't we talking about the BFG? Anyway, there are dead
>>>> ends. In a way. Only those places are usually not of the sort
>>>> enemy-can't-shoot-you-from-behind.
>>>
>>> The BFG is the bait.
>>
>> A bait that delivers delicious nuclear doom...
>
> If you make it that far down the alley leading to it. With me somewhere
> at a random angle from the entry to it.
But it has a nice fire rate. For five seconds or so...
Neo
> Thus Neo spoke:
>
>> On 14-6-2010 10:57, emmel wrote:
>>> Thus Neo spoke:
>>>
>>>> On 7-6-2010 11:31, emmel wrote:
>>>>> Thus Neo spoke:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ah, damn. The unblocked the windows. Someone call the bricklayers.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> They turned them into caaats!!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Damn. On the other hands... Here, kitty!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A cat?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Where?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Was it a black cat?
>>>>>
>>>>> You tell me!
>>>>
>>>> The bricklayers or your cat?
>>>
>>> I don't have a cat.
>>
>> But you saw a cat.
>
> So I saw a cat I don't have? Or just one I don't own?
YOU saw a cat I didn't own.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> What do you run xubuntu for anyway?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Mainly for downloading other distributions :-) I seem to have problems
>>>>>>>>>>>> using bittorrent from Windows Vista most of the time.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Slackware running rtorrent does a very fine job.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I thought you were on dail-up?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That was some loooong time ago. I got better. Not much, but still.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Gratz!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Huh?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Gratz is what WoW players say to someone who says 'ding'.
>>>>>
>>>>> Huh?
>>>>
>>>> When you level up because you have enough xp you hear 'ding' on your
>>>> speakers. That is where it comes from.
>>>
>>> Huh?
>>
>> Unfamiliar with MMORPG's?
>
> I just don't see the connection between 'ding' and 'gratz'.
World of Warcraft is a 'special' kind of MMORPG.
>>>>>> There are so many things a donkey can do with a windows computer. Like
>>>>>> word processing. Like browsing. Like... word processing. And browsing.
>>>>>> And printing. And putting cups of coffee on the retractable cup holder.
>>>>>
>>>>> If it has a cup holder, the case is lost. Might as well remove the guts
>>>>> and use that for a door stopper.
>>>>
>>>> Retractable cup holders!
>>>>
>>>> But you shouldn't boot your pc with a cup on the cup holder, because it
>>>> will retract. (learned the hard way).
>>>
>>> That's just... Whatever happened to desks?
>>
>> There is no space because of all the memo's!!
>
> Didn't I burn those?
Now that you mention it, they seems a bit carbon like.
>>>>>>>>>>>> What I like about it is that it updates automatically. And not just the
>>>>>>>>>>>> OS, but every app on it!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Every heard of debian?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Help me get this right.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Debian stable is very old.
>>>>>>>>>> Ubuntu standard is less old.
>>>>>>>>>> Debian test is very new but highly unstable.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Nah. Debian comes in three flavours: stable, unstable and testing
>>>>>>>>> (some call them rusty, stale and broken). Testing has hiccups now and
>>>>>>>>> then, but is fairly recent and usually works. Unstable has slightly
>>>>>>>>> older packages, but just works. Stable... is stable. Unstable or testing
>>>>>>>>> is good for use.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Windows 3.11 is stable? No known exploits in the default install?
>>>>>>>> (iow no trumpet ppp winsock).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Weren't we talking Debian?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Windows 3.11 is pretty stale. But it works. If you like Mosaic as your
>>>>>> browser.
>>>>>
>>>>> Erm... Yes. That is No. I do not. (Though some older Opera version
>>>>> should work...)
>>>>
>>>> Mosaic was the only browser before Netscape took over. Then IE, then
>>>> the rest.
>>>
>>> Opera is nicer, though.
>>
>> I use it quite a lot myself.
>
> I hardly use another one.
My internet banking seems to think Opera isn't secure enough for their
https site. So they don't support it (and that means it really doesn't
work, though it did work in the distant past).
They also say they have all kinds of checks on their website to avoid
'misuse'.
>>>>>> I bet BP is real sad that they cannot refine oil spills.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yeah, this time the oil is going to cost them. Unfortunately that won't
>>>>> be enough to serve as a real lesson. Unless they go bankrupt. Though
>>>>> that probably wouldn't be desirable either.
>>>>
>>>> Big Pollution. BP.
>>>
>>> You are not the first one to say that. I think Greepeace have already
>>> had banners with it.
>>
>> I know someone who works for greenpeace. I am pretty proud of what she
>> does!
>>
>> She wrote a book btw, but you need a creditcard to buy it.
>
> That excuses me from an excuse of reading it.
I didn't read it neither, but I intend to buy it some day.
>>>>>>>>>> You want to be a part of that? Better not tell anybody because it can
>>>>>>>>>> cost you your life (oops, wrong thing to tell you!).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Now you are doomed. Or are you not?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I bet they need another paranoid-schizophrenic to keep thing safe ;-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm not available at the moment. I'll call back as soon as everyone's
>>>>>>> out to get me. Or rather not.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Just because you are paranoid, doesn't mean they are not out to get
>>>>>> you".
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm so paranoid, I have shaken off my pursuers!
>>>>
>>>> How can you be sure?
>>>>
>>>> They may be observing your from the apartment across the street where
>>>> you life.
>>>>
>>>> They know you will be back to read AGC.
>>>
>>> Will I?
>>
>> I know you did so far.
>
> I'm just bored from time to time. Not enough, though.
Bored or anxious?
>> If Red Dragon posted you would even have a bigger reason to keep coming
>> back!
>
> Face it, this place is dead.
She still lurks. Just not every day as we all used to at one time! When
the Triad also still posted.
So when will you create another 'pdf'. You can't leave earth before
completing your life's work!
>>>>>>>> Did I tell I emulated Windows 3.1 over the last couple of weeks?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Seems I have destroyed my copies of MI and Loom unfortunately. Probably
>>>>>>>> decided I was never going to (re-)play them.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Oh, oh.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I also seem to have reused the floppies Starcontrol 2 was on.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Same, because I did a good job cracking that game. Something I am
>>>>>> particularly proud of.
>>>>>
>>>>> I guess everyone needs something to be proud of.
>>>>
>>>> You can force yourself to be proud of one thing you do each day.
>>>
>>> I cannot.
>>
>> You have to start small. Like getting out of bed ::hurray::. Washing
>> yourself and getting dressed ::hurray::. Brushing your teeth before you
>> go to bed ::hurray::
>
> That's... depressing.
::think a happy thought::
::hurray!::
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I spend nearly 3 years at a good university. And I had to learn what
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> buffer overflows were and how they could be abused on a talk by a true
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hacker.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't know if Germany is any better in that respect.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's the science behind computers. Not Programming school.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> For me the science behind computers is the microcode of modern
>>>>>>>>>>>> processors. And all other components of course.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Misconception.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I just like low level more than abstract high level.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yeah, but it's not portable.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It is very portable because the layers in between machine code and
>>>>>>>> machine code are trivial to make!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And that makes it unportable...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If your platform is Intel/AMD and not PowerPC, Sparc and the rest. I
>>>>>> would say x86 code is pretty portable.
>>>>>
>>>>> What about an Alpha? I've written code for an Alpha...
>>>>
>>>> Alpha is probably the best processor ever! (after the PDP-11).
>>>
>>> PowerPC?
>>
>> It is RISC, but why isn't it as fast as it's intel counterparts?
>> Because that is why Steve Jobs made Apple go from PowerPC to Intel!
>
> Weren't both RISC or almost at any rate?
Intel processors are *very* CISC!
It seems they add a new processor instruction set every generation. And
they number these generations :-( Like SSE4.
I think 'we' don't need more instructions, we need faster instructions
and lower power usage! And larger caches!
>>>> A lot of games were written in Turbo C in those days. You could tell by
>>>> examining the .exe with a hex viewer.
>>>
>>> Not BGI graphics, though. The compiler was good. I think I still have a
>>> copy somewhere...
>>
>> It is great! I wrote my assignments for computer science in them.
>> It caught a lot errors compared to GCC. And it had a DEBUGGER!!! (Which
>> is great for testing your 'library functions').
>
> gdb... Yeah, I know what you mean. The IDE with inline debugger was
> great. About those errors gdb didn't catch... You just have to put gcc
> into strict mode.
Except that we had to do this on Minix. And that some graduate wrote
the C compiler for it (which has some obvious flaws, like allowing
malloc right into the stack).
>>>>>> Without a GUI and just a 8086 and your 16 bit BIOS, there is a lot you
>>>>>> can do.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sure, but is it worth it?
>>>>
>>>> If 640 KB of memory is enough for your application...
>>>
>>> My network drivers need more bits.
>>
>> We had to code UDP on top of Ethernet in 64 KB... But my test program
>> allowed me to allocate up to 128 KB in one malloc.
>>
>> That is what started the argument with the student helper we (I) had.
>> Because he obviously had no clue as to what was going on!
>>
>> Oh, we were also supposed to handle 32 KB UDP fragments. As well as
>> lots of little ones.
>>
>> And there was an automated test program we could use once a month and
>> which threw all kinds of cryptic error messages.
>
> Hehe. The only real kind.
In addition to cryptic, the error messages were also plain wrong in my
case.
It didn't give a correct error message, it just gave the piece of code
where something they tested for went wrong (but which was correct
according to the RFCs, even in the strictest sense).
>>>>>> Just look at all those non-Windows Microsoft games! Most looked a lot
>>>>>> more spectacular than Windows 7 with Aero turned on.
>>>>>
>>>>> Plenty of them were not written in assembler, you know.
>>>>
>>>> Most was written in C. You can tell by examining the function calls in
>>>> a debugger.
>>>
>>> As I was saying.
>>>
>>>> But the fast parts were in assembler.
>>>
>>> Only a few bits. And: Not portable.
>>
>> Large computer games have never been portable (except Quake III maybe).
>
> Oh, Quake I and II as well. And C3/DS...
That's all?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It better not disappoint you when it gets released then.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nah, I don't think so. They've done a pretty good job so far.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But they might not get enough funding because of the recession.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> If they started getting funding now.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe when the recession is over. In the mean time they can work on the
>>>>>>>>>>>> story lines (you should too btw!).
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> At the moment getting enough sleep is higher priority.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Sleep is for wuzzies!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Well, then I am a wuzzie it seems. Whatever that is.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Wuzzies are warm, colourful spheres of soft woolly material.
>>>>>>>> And they always smile are are friendly.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sounds like you got exposed to too much marketing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You bet I did!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I annoy my gf by imitating commercials. Even when there are no
>>>>>> commercials on television at that time.
>>>>>
>>>>> Poor girlfriend...
>>>>
>>>> She watches soap series if she gets the chance. Poor bf.
>>>
>>> Oh yeah. Still, worth it.
>>
>> It is true.
>>
>> Though I had big trouble getting her to leave my flat yesterday. I
>> think she stayed till almost 2 am (and I was getting very tired way
>> before that).
>
> Erm, bed? I don't quite see the problem.
No, she just watches tv till I throw her out each day.
>>>>>> You bet I am tense. I could kill somebody!!! With a cheaper knife than
>>>>>> the competition uses! At twice the value!
>>>>>
>>>>> Erm... Can't think of anyone right now.
>>>>
>>>> Is that a good thing or a bad thing?
>>>
>>> Not sure.
>>
>> It is a good thing then!
>
> I don't think so.
It is a good thing when you don't kill somebody.
>>>>>>>>>>>> A rail gun is no use up close.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Depends on your opponents armour.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I'll be waiting for you near the armour then. With a shotgun or
>>>>>>>>>> something better at close range.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Camping doesn't really work well. You constantly get killed.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That is because they can come from two sides!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> When you camp in a dead end, around a corner when they can't see you,
>>>>>>>> you get free kills if they insist on getting the rail gun each time.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That's where level design enters the equation. There aren't really any
>>>>>>> dead ends.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You said the rail gun was at a dead end.
>>>>>
>>>>> The railgun? Weren't we talking about the BFG? Anyway, there are dead
>>>>> ends. In a way. Only those places are usually not of the sort
>>>>> enemy-can't-shoot-you-from-behind.
>>>>
>>>> The BFG is the bait.
>>>
>>> A bait that delivers delicious nuclear doom...
>>
>> If you make it that far down the alley leading to it. With me somewhere
>> at a random angle from the entry to it.
>
> But it has a nice fire rate. For five seconds or so...
If you camp the spawn place of the BFG, that is not a problem.
Besides, you get killed with a BFG well within 5 seconds!!
emmel
> On 22-6-2010 9:55, emmel wrote:
>> Thus Neo spoke:
>>
>>>>>>>>>> Ah, damn. The unblocked the windows. Someone call the bricklayers.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> They turned them into caaats!!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Damn. On the other hands... Here, kitty!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A cat?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Where?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Was it a black cat?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You tell me!
>>>>>
>>>>> The bricklayers or your cat?
>>>>
>>>> I don't have a cat.
>>>
>>> But you saw a cat.
>>
>> So I saw a cat I don't have? Or just one I don't own?
>
> YOU saw a cat I didn't own.
That, too.
>>>>>>> Gratz is what WoW players say to someone who says 'ding'.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Huh?
>>>>>
>>>>> When you level up because you have enough xp you hear 'ding' on your
>>>>> speakers. That is where it comes from.
>>>>
>>>> Huh?
>>>
>>> Unfamiliar with MMORPG's?
>>
>> I just don't see the connection between 'ding' and 'gratz'.
>
> World of Warcraft is a 'special' kind of MMORPG.
Suuuuure.
>>>>>>> There are so many things a donkey can do with a windows computer. Like
>>>>>>> word processing. Like browsing. Like... word processing. And browsing.
>>>>>>> And printing. And putting cups of coffee on the retractable cup holder.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If it has a cup holder, the case is lost. Might as well remove the guts
>>>>>> and use that for a door stopper.
>>>>>
>>>>> Retractable cup holders!
>>>>>
>>>>> But you shouldn't boot your pc with a cup on the cup holder, because it
>>>>> will retract. (learned the hard way).
>>>>
>>>> That's just... Whatever happened to desks?
>>>
>>> There is no space because of all the memo's!!
>>
>> Didn't I burn those?
>
> Now that you mention it, they seems a bit carbon like.
Carbon like in diamond?
>>>>> Mosaic was the only browser before Netscape took over. Then IE, then
>>>>> the rest.
>>>>
>>>> Opera is nicer, though.
>>>
>>> I use it quite a lot myself.
>>
>> I hardly use another one.
>
> My internet banking seems to think Opera isn't secure enough for their
> https site. So they don't support it (and that means it really doesn't
> work, though it did work in the distant past).
>
> They also say they have all kinds of checks on their website to avoid
> 'misuse'.
Do they fall for changing the user agent string? If they have the
technical knowledge to declare Opera unsafe while very likely supporting
IE, they might very well fall for that.
>>>> You are not the first one to say that. I think Greepeace have already
>>>> had banners with it.
>>>
>>> I know someone who works for greenpeace. I am pretty proud of what she
>>> does!
>>>
>>> She wrote a book btw, but you need a creditcard to buy it.
>>
>> That excuses me from an excuse of reading it.
>
> I didn't read it neither, but I intend to buy it some day.
There are several books I thing that about.
>>>>> They know you will be back to read AGC.
>>>>
>>>> Will I?
>>>
>>> I know you did so far.
>>
>> I'm just bored from time to time. Not enough, though.
>
> Bored or anxious?
Bored. By far not bored enough.
>>> If Red Dragon posted you would even have a bigger reason to keep coming
>>> back!
>>
>> Face it, this place is dead.
>
> She still lurks. Just not every day as we all used to at one time! When
> the Triad also still posted.
D E D - dead.
>>>>> How about LaTeX?
>>>>
>>>> latex is the processor. The sources I write in vim.
>>>
>>> I never used it. But I know it exists and what it is for.
>>
>> Well, I use it a lot. Works like a charm for creating PDFs.
>
> So when will you create another 'pdf'. You can't leave earth before
> completing your life's work!
Every now and then, but I haven't updated the one on site in ages. I
just can't find enough time to write. I need me-time for that. Me on my
own with nothing to do for longer stretches of time.
>>> You have to start small. Like getting out of bed ::hurray::. Washing
>>> yourself and getting dressed ::hurray::. Brushing your teeth before you
>>> go to bed ::hurray::
>>
>> That's... depressing.
>
>::think a happy thought::
>::hurray!::
Very depressing.
>>>>> Alpha is probably the best processor ever! (after the PDP-11).
>>>>
>>>> PowerPC?
>>>
>>> It is RISC, but why isn't it as fast as it's intel counterparts?
>>> Because that is why Steve Jobs made Apple go from PowerPC to Intel!
>>
>> Weren't both RISC or almost at any rate?
>
> Intel processors are *very* CISC!
Alpha and PowerPC.
> It seems they add a new processor instruction set every generation. And
> they number these generations :-( Like SSE4.
I know.
> I think 'we' don't need more instructions, we need faster instructions
> and lower power usage! And larger caches!
That didn't exactly work out. Less general specialist designs easily
beat the specialist ones. That was what made the Amiga so powerful back
in the day and indeed what makes CUDA worthwhile.
>>>>> A lot of games were written in Turbo C in those days. You could tell by
>>>>> examining the .exe with a hex viewer.
>>>>
>>>> Not BGI graphics, though. The compiler was good. I think I still have a
>>>> copy somewhere...
>>>
>>> It is great! I wrote my assignments for computer science in them.
>>> It caught a lot errors compared to GCC. And it had a DEBUGGER!!! (Which
>>> is great for testing your 'library functions').
>>
>> gdb... Yeah, I know what you mean. The IDE with inline debugger was
>> great. About those errors gdb didn't catch... You just have to put gcc
>> into strict mode.
>
> Except that we had to do this on Minix. And that some graduate wrote
> the C compiler for it (which has some obvious flaws, like allowing
> malloc right into the stack).
Um... Isn't it supposed to... Wait, you mean where the stack information
is stored in?!
>>>>>>> Without a GUI and just a 8086 and your 16 bit BIOS, there is a lot you
>>>>>>> can do.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sure, but is it worth it?
>>>>>
>>>>> If 640 KB of memory is enough for your application...
>>>>
>>>> My network drivers need more bits.
>>>
>>> We had to code UDP on top of Ethernet in 64 KB... But my test program
>>> allowed me to allocate up to 128 KB in one malloc.
>>>
>>> That is what started the argument with the student helper we (I) had.
>>> Because he obviously had no clue as to what was going on!
>>>
>>> Oh, we were also supposed to handle 32 KB UDP fragments. As well as
>>> lots of little ones.
>>>
>>> And there was an automated test program we could use once a month and
>>> which threw all kinds of cryptic error messages.
>>
>> Hehe. The only real kind.
>
> In addition to cryptic, the error messages were also plain wrong in my
> case.
>
> It didn't give a correct error message, it just gave the piece of code
> where something they tested for went wrong (but which was correct
> according to the RFCs, even in the strictest sense).
And that's why they are called RFCs. Because nobody gives a damn.
>>>>> But the fast parts were in assembler.
>>>>
>>>> Only a few bits. And: Not portable.
>>>
>>> Large computer games have never been portable (except Quake III maybe).
>>
>> Oh, Quake I and II as well. And C3/DS...
>
> That's all?
Alpha Centauri. There have been a few more in the good old Loki days.
Not many since.
>>> Though I had big trouble getting her to leave my flat yesterday. I
>>> think she stayed till almost 2 am (and I was getting very tired way
>>> before that).
>>
>> Erm, bed? I don't quite see the problem.
>
> No, she just watches tv till I throw her out each day.
Oh. Shame.
> It is a good thing when you don't kill somebody.
Depends entirely on the person in question.
>>>>> The BFG is the bait.
>>>>
>>>> A bait that delivers delicious nuclear doom...
>>>
>>> If you make it that far down the alley leading to it. With me somewhere
>>> at a random angle from the entry to it.
>>
>> But it has a nice fire rate. For five seconds or so...
>
> If you camp the spawn place of the BFG, that is not a problem.
> Besides, you get killed with a BFG well within 5 seconds!!
Indeed.
Neo
> Thus Neo spoke:
>
>> On 22-6-2010 9:55, emmel wrote:
>>> Thus Neo spoke:
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Ah, damn. The unblocked the windows. Someone call the bricklayers.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> They turned them into caaats!!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Damn. On the other hands... Here, kitty!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> A cat?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Where?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Was it a black cat?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You tell me!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The bricklayers or your cat?
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't have a cat.
>>>>
>>>> But you saw a cat.
>>>
>>> So I saw a cat I don't have? Or just one I don't own?
>>
>> YOU saw a cat I didn't own.
>
> That, too.
So there is more than one cat in the world?
Probably for reproductive purposes...
>>>>>>>> Gratz is what WoW players say to someone who says 'ding'.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Huh?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When you level up because you have enough xp you hear 'ding' on your
>>>>>> speakers. That is where it comes from.
>>>>>
>>>>> Huh?
>>>>
>>>> Unfamiliar with MMORPG's?
>>>
>>> I just don't see the connection between 'ding' and 'gratz'.
>>
>> World of Warcraft is a 'special' kind of MMORPG.
>
> Suuuuure.
I could talk about World of Warcraft all day. But I never made it past
level 40 with one of my characters.
It just seems more and more like grinding as your level goes higher.
You also get more spells and capabilities, and the old ones don't go
away.
There is an addon for priests that automatically uses a lower level
healing spell on players that need less than a full heal. Thus saving
you mana.
And all those damned potions! You need to grind to create or buy
potions. And you need potions or you will get kicked out of groups for
running out of mana!
Add to that that there is a bag limit on how many potions you can
carry.. and you also need space for the loot you get from raids...
you get the picture.
>>>>>>>> There are so many things a donkey can do with a windows computer. Like
>>>>>>>> word processing. Like browsing. Like... word processing. And browsing.
>>>>>>>> And printing. And putting cups of coffee on the retractable cup holder.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If it has a cup holder, the case is lost. Might as well remove the guts
>>>>>>> and use that for a door stopper.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Retractable cup holders!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But you shouldn't boot your pc with a cup on the cup holder, because it
>>>>>> will retract. (learned the hard way).
>>>>>
>>>>> That's just... Whatever happened to desks?
>>>>
>>>> There is no space because of all the memo's!!
>>>
>>> Didn't I burn those?
>>
>> Now that you mention it, they seems a bit carbon like.
>
> Carbon like in diamond?
Probably not.
>>>>>> Mosaic was the only browser before Netscape took over. Then IE, then
>>>>>> the rest.
>>>>>
>>>>> Opera is nicer, though.
>>>>
>>>> I use it quite a lot myself.
>>>
>>> I hardly use another one.
>>
>> My internet banking seems to think Opera isn't secure enough for their
>> https site. So they don't support it (and that means it really doesn't
>> work, though it did work in the distant past).
>>
>> They also say they have all kinds of checks on their website to avoid
>> 'misuse'.
>
> Do they fall for changing the user agent string? If they have the
> technical knowledge to declare Opera unsafe while very likely supporting
> IE, they might very well fall for that.
It is worse.
With iDEAL you can buy stuff in web stores. But there is a picture of
which number you should type to confirm your payment to the bank.
That picture is completely gone in Opera. It used to be there, but they
'fixed' it.
Now nobody I know uses Opera for online payment (well, my dad did but I
warned him of this).
>>>>> You are not the first one to say that. I think Greepeace have already
>>>>> had banners with it.
>>>>
>>>> I know someone who works for greenpeace. I am pretty proud of what she
>>>> does!
>>>>
>>>> She wrote a book btw, but you need a creditcard to buy it.
>>>
>>> That excuses me from an excuse of reading it.
>>
>> I didn't read it neither, but I intend to buy it some day.
>
> There are several books I thing that about.
It is better to have too many books, than to have nothing at all to
read when you feel like it.
>>>>>> They know you will be back to read AGC.
>>>>>
>>>>> Will I?
>>>>
>>>> I know you did so far.
>>>
>>> I'm just bored from time to time. Not enough, though.
>>
>> Bored or anxious?
>
> Bored. By far not bored enough.
Like being so bored you jump off cliffs just to hear the noise of the
air around your head?
>>>> If Red Dragon posted you would even have a bigger reason to keep coming
>>>> back!
>>>
>>> Face it, this place is dead.
>>
>> She still lurks. Just not every day as we all used to at one time! When
>> the Triad also still posted.
>
> D E D - dead.
Red Dragon had some problems of her own she confessed here. But I have
my hands full with you and hoping you can get through the hard parts of
your life. Like no university and no girlfriend (did you know those two
things were true for me at some time?).
But I bet Red Dragon will return soon here because of the holidays!
You and Red Dragon would look good together. Except that I have no idea
what you both look like.
>>>>>> How about LaTeX?
>>>>>
>>>>> latex is the processor. The sources I write in vim.
>>>>
>>>> I never used it. But I know it exists and what it is for.
>>>
>>> Well, I use it a lot. Works like a charm for creating PDFs.
>>
>> So when will you create another 'pdf'. You can't leave earth before
>> completing your life's work!
>
> Every now and then, but I haven't updated the one on site in ages. I
> just can't find enough time to write. I need me-time for that. Me on my
> own with nothing to do for longer stretches of time.
That is the best news I heard in months!
>>>> You have to start small. Like getting out of bed ::hurray::. Washing
>>>> yourself and getting dressed ::hurray::. Brushing your teeth before you
>>>> go to bed ::hurray::
>>>
>>> That's... depressing.
>>
>> ::think a happy thought::
>> ::hurray!::
>
> Very depressing.
::rewards emmel for expressing himself::
::hurray!::
>>>>>> Alpha is probably the best processor ever! (after the PDP-11).
>>>>>
>>>>> PowerPC?
>>>>
>>>> It is RISC, but why isn't it as fast as it's intel counterparts?
>>>> Because that is why Steve Jobs made Apple go from PowerPC to Intel!
>>>
>>> Weren't both RISC or almost at any rate?
>>
>> Intel processors are *very* CISC!
>
> Alpha and PowerPC.
I like RISC better because there are less instructions to learn.
I looked at java once as a programming language, but there is just too
many libraries. I tried buy java 1.4 with all the libraries as a book!
But they kept creating new versions of java and there are just soo many
libraries. That is not how I want to program.
>> It seems they add a new processor instruction set every generation. And
>> they number these generations :-( Like SSE4.
>
> I know.
>
>> I think 'we' don't need more instructions, we need faster instructions
>> and lower power usage! And larger caches!
>
> That didn't exactly work out. Less general specialist designs easily
> beat the specialist ones. That was what made the Amiga so powerful back
> in the day and indeed what makes CUDA worthwhile.
CUDA? Is that an amiga emulator?
>>>>>> A lot of games were written in Turbo C in those days. You could tell by
>>>>>> examining the .exe with a hex viewer.
>>>>>
>>>>> Not BGI graphics, though. The compiler was good. I think I still have a
>>>>> copy somewhere...
>>>>
>>>> It is great! I wrote my assignments for computer science in them.
>>>> It caught a lot errors compared to GCC. And it had a DEBUGGER!!! (Which
>>>> is great for testing your 'library functions').
>>>
>>> gdb... Yeah, I know what you mean. The IDE with inline debugger was
>>> great. About those errors gdb didn't catch... You just have to put gcc
>>> into strict mode.
>>
>> Except that we had to do this on Minix. And that some graduate wrote
>> the C compiler for it (which has some obvious flaws, like allowing
>> malloc right into the stack).
>
> Um... Isn't it supposed to... Wait, you mean where the stack information
> is stored in?!
That was in 199x, but seems like a potential buffer overflow to me.
I just allocated and freed till I could allocate no more. Then I wrote
a test program to see if any data in the allocated space was mangled.
Which it was.
Very simple program, but too much trouble to investigate for the
student helper. You can see why my happiness in life took a wrong turn
at that point.
>>>>>> But the fast parts were in assembler.
>>>>>
>>>>> Only a few bits. And: Not portable.
>>>>
>>>> Large computer games have never been portable (except Quake III maybe).
>>>
>>> Oh, Quake I and II as well. And C3/DS...
>>
>> That's all?
>
> Alpha Centauri. There have been a few more in the good old Loki days.
> Not many since.
I love Alpha Centauri!
Did you know Civilization V is in the making? It will have to do until
they do a remake of AC!
What is 'loki'?
>>>> Though I had big trouble getting her to leave my flat yesterday. I
>>>> think she stayed till almost 2 am (and I was getting very tired way
>>>> before that).
>>>
>>> Erm, bed? I don't quite see the problem.
>>
>> No, she just watches tv till I throw her out each day.
>
> Oh. Shame.
On the other hand, she will be making some kind of fresh fruit salad
today for us both. I am very curious how that will turn out.
>> It is a good thing when you don't kill somebody.
>
> Depends entirely on the person in question.
Nah, killing is always bad because the bad spirits or the person you
kill will start living inside yourself.
In fact, imagine that hitler didn't get himself elected in 193x. You
wouldn't have such good privacy laws now in Germany as you do have now.
And zionists would still be without a country of their own.
Sometimes bad things must happen to get a better world.
What if Jesus wasn't crucified? We might not have Christianity at all
if that didn't happen!
Which doesn't mean people should do bad things. Of course.
>>>>>> The BFG is the bait.
>>>>>
>>>>> A bait that delivers delicious nuclear doom...
>>>>
>>>> If you make it that far down the alley leading to it. With me somewhere
>>>> at a random angle from the entry to it.
>>>
>>> But it has a nice fire rate. For five seconds or so...
>>
>> If you camp the spawn place of the BFG, that is not a problem.
>> Besides, you get killed with a BFG well within 5 seconds!!
>
> Indeed.
I camped the BFG when I played on my LAN with a friend who is very much
addicted to Quake III. You swim under water till you go up, and then
there is a stair left and right. I sat somewhere waiting for him on
those stairs, and he just couldn't get to the BFG before I killed him.
Not that we are very good players. But before I camped I kept getting
shot by his BFG. We had some bots too. So killing them a lot would mean
you won also.
emmel
> On 5-7-2010 11:23, emmel wrote:
>> Thus Neo spoke:
>>
>>> On 22-6-2010 9:55, emmel wrote:
>>>> Thus Neo spoke:
>>>>
>>>>>> I don't have a cat.
>>>>>
>>>>> But you saw a cat.
>>>>
>>>> So I saw a cat I don't have? Or just one I don't own?
>>>
>>> YOU saw a cat I didn't own.
>>
>> That, too.
>
> So there is more than one cat in the world?
Yes.
> Probably for reproductive purposes...
You have no idea.
>>> World of Warcraft is a 'special' kind of MMORPG.
>>
>> Suuuuure.
>
> I could talk about World of Warcraft all day.
<snip>
> you get the picture.
Unfortunately.
>>>>>>> Mosaic was the only browser before Netscape took over. Then IE, then
>>>>>>> the rest.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Opera is nicer, though.
>>>>>
>>>>> I use it quite a lot myself.
>>>>
>>>> I hardly use another one.
>>>
>>> My internet banking seems to think Opera isn't secure enough for their
>>> https site. So they don't support it (and that means it really doesn't
>>> work, though it did work in the distant past).
>>>
>>> They also say they have all kinds of checks on their website to avoid
>>> 'misuse'.
>>
>> Do they fall for changing the user agent string? If they have the
>> technical knowledge to declare Opera unsafe while very likely supporting
>> IE, they might very well fall for that.
>
> It is worse.
>
> With iDEAL you can buy stuff in web stores. But there is a picture of
> which number you should type to confirm your payment to the bank.
>
> That picture is completely gone in Opera. It used to be there, but they
> 'fixed' it.
>
> Now nobody I know uses Opera for online payment (well, my dad did but I
> warned him of this).
Shupid system. Not Opera's fault. (You could log a bug, you know...)
>>>>>> You are not the first one to say that. I think Greepeace have already
>>>>>> had banners with it.
>>>>>
>>>>> I know someone who works for greenpeace. I am pretty proud of what she
>>>>> does!
>>>>>
>>>>> She wrote a book btw, but you need a creditcard to buy it.
>>>>
>>>> That excuses me from an excuse of reading it.
>>>
>>> I didn't read it neither, but I intend to buy it some day.
>>
>> There are several books I thing that about.
>
> It is better to have too many books, than to have nothing at all to
> read when you feel like it.
Have. As in already bought.
>>>>>>> They know you will be back to read AGC.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Will I?
>>>>>
>>>>> I know you did so far.
>>>>
>>>> I'm just bored from time to time. Not enough, though.
>>>
>>> Bored or anxious?
>>
>> Bored. By far not bored enough.
>
> Like being so bored you jump off cliffs just to hear the noise of the
> air around your head?
Not quite, but I'll be sure to keep that one in mind.
>>>>> If Red Dragon posted you would even have a bigger reason to keep coming
>>>>> back!
>>>>
>>>> Face it, this place is dead.
>>>
>>> She still lurks. Just not every day as we all used to at one time! When
>>> the Triad also still posted.
>>
>> D E D - dead.
>
> Red Dragon had some problems of her own she confessed here. But I have
> my hands full with you and hoping you can get through the hard parts of
> your life. Like no university and no girlfriend (did you know those two
> things were true for me at some time?).
Like university, but no girlfriend.
> But I bet Red Dragon will return soon here because of the holidays!
> You and Red Dragon would look good together. Except that I have no idea
> what you both look like.
<g>
>>>>>>> How about LaTeX?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> latex is the processor. The sources I write in vim.
>>>>>
>>>>> I never used it. But I know it exists and what it is for.
>>>>
>>>> Well, I use it a lot. Works like a charm for creating PDFs.
>>>
>>> So when will you create another 'pdf'. You can't leave earth before
>>> completing your life's work!
>>
>> Every now and then, but I haven't updated the one on site in ages. I
>> just can't find enough time to write. I need me-time for that. Me on my
>> own with nothing to do for longer stretches of time.
>
> That is the best news I heard in months!
Isn't.
>>>>> You have to start small. Like getting out of bed ::hurray::. Washing
>>>>> yourself and getting dressed ::hurray::. Brushing your teeth before you
>>>>> go to bed ::hurray::
>>>>
>>>> That's... depressing.
>>>
>>> ::think a happy thought::
>>> ::hurray!::
>>
>> Very depressing.
>
>::rewards emmel for expressing himself::
>::hurray!::
Oh my...
>>>>>>> Alpha is probably the best processor ever! (after the PDP-11).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> PowerPC?
>>>>>
>>>>> It is RISC, but why isn't it as fast as it's intel counterparts?
>>>>> Because that is why Steve Jobs made Apple go from PowerPC to Intel!
>>>>
>>>> Weren't both RISC or almost at any rate?
>>>
>>> Intel processors are *very* CISC!
>>
>> Alpha and PowerPC.
>
> I like RISC better because there are less instructions to learn.
>
> I looked at java once as a programming language, but there is just too
> many libraries. I tried buy java 1.4 with all the libraries as a book!
> But they kept creating new versions of java and there are just soo many
> libraries. That is not how I want to program.
There isn't really another way.
>>> It seems they add a new processor instruction set every generation. And
>>> they number these generations :-( Like SSE4.
>>
>> I know.
>>
>>> I think 'we' don't need more instructions, we need faster instructions
>>> and lower power usage! And larger caches!
>>
>> That didn't exactly work out. Less general specialist designs easily
>> beat the specialist ones. That was what made the Amiga so powerful back
>> in the day and indeed what makes CUDA worthwhile.
>
> CUDA? Is that an amiga emulator?
Nope, NVidia's parallel programming thingamajig (Hey, it's been ages
since I used that one!) for GPUs.
>>>>>>> A lot of games were written in Turbo C in those days. You could tell by
>>>>>>> examining the .exe with a hex viewer.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not BGI graphics, though. The compiler was good. I think I still have a
>>>>>> copy somewhere...
>>>>>
>>>>> It is great! I wrote my assignments for computer science in them.
>>>>> It caught a lot errors compared to GCC. And it had a DEBUGGER!!! (Which
>>>>> is great for testing your 'library functions').
>>>>
>>>> gdb... Yeah, I know what you mean. The IDE with inline debugger was
>>>> great. About those errors gdb didn't catch... You just have to put gcc
>>>> into strict mode.
>>>
>>> Except that we had to do this on Minix. And that some graduate wrote
>>> the C compiler for it (which has some obvious flaws, like allowing
>>> malloc right into the stack).
>>
>> Um... Isn't it supposed to... Wait, you mean where the stack information
>> is stored in?!
>
> That was in 199x, but seems like a potential buffer overflow to me.
>
> I just allocated and freed till I could allocate no more. Then I wrote
> a test program to see if any data in the allocated space was mangled.
> Which it was.
>
> Very simple program, but too much trouble to investigate for the
> student helper. You can see why my happiness in life took a wrong turn
> at that point.
Yeeeees. Kinda.
>>>>>>> But the fast parts were in assembler.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Only a few bits. And: Not portable.
>>>>>
>>>>> Large computer games have never been portable (except Quake III maybe).
>>>>
>>>> Oh, Quake I and II as well. And C3/DS...
>>>
>>> That's all?
>>
>> Alpha Centauri. There have been a few more in the good old Loki days.
>> Not many since.
>
> I love Alpha Centauri!
Unfortunately it doesn't seem to run any more.
> Did you know Civilization V is in the making? It will have to do until
> they do a remake of AC!
>
> What is 'loki'?
A company porting games to Linux. Went out of business years ago.
>>>>> Though I had big trouble getting her to leave my flat yesterday. I
>>>>> think she stayed till almost 2 am (and I was getting very tired way
>>>>> before that).
>>>>
>>>> Erm, bed? I don't quite see the problem.
>>>
>>> No, she just watches tv till I throw her out each day.
>>
>> Oh. Shame.
>
> On the other hand, she will be making some kind of fresh fruit salad
> today for us both. I am very curious how that will turn out.
Tasty, I can only hope.
>>> It is a good thing when you don't kill somebody.
>>
>> Depends entirely on the person in question.
>
> Nah, killing is always bad because the bad spirits or the person you
> kill will start living inside yourself.
Erm...
> In fact, imagine that hitler didn't get himself elected in 193x. You
> wouldn't have such good privacy laws now in Germany as you do have now.
> And zionists would still be without a country of their own.
>
> Sometimes bad things must happen to get a better world.
Erm...
> What if Jesus wasn't crucified? We might not have Christianity at all
> if that didn't happen!
And where's the problem exactly?
> Which doesn't mean people should do bad things. Of course.
Of course. How could I only get that idea.
>>>>>>> The BFG is the bait.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A bait that delivers delicious nuclear doom...
>>>>>
>>>>> If you make it that far down the alley leading to it. With me somewhere
>>>>> at a random angle from the entry to it.
>>>>
>>>> But it has a nice fire rate. For five seconds or so...
>>>
>>> If you camp the spawn place of the BFG, that is not a problem.
>>> Besides, you get killed with a BFG well within 5 seconds!!
>>
>> Indeed.
>
> I camped the BFG when I played on my LAN with a friend who is very much
> addicted to Quake III. You swim under water till you go up, and then
> there is a stair left and right. I sat somewhere waiting for him on
> those stairs, and he just couldn't get to the BFG before I killed him.
>
> Not that we are very good players. But before I camped I kept getting
> shot by his BFG. We had some bots too. So killing them a lot would mean
> you won also.
Bots were easy.
Neo
> Thus Neo spoke:
>
>> On 5-7-2010 11:23, emmel wrote:
>>> Thus Neo spoke:
>>>
>>>> On 22-6-2010 9:55, emmel wrote:
>>>>> Thus Neo spoke:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't have a cat.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But you saw a cat.
>>>>>
>>>>> So I saw a cat I don't have? Or just one I don't own?
>>>>
>>>> YOU saw a cat I didn't own.
>>>
>>> That, too.
>>
>> So there is more than one cat in the world?
>
> Yes.
And is there more than one world with cats?
>> Probably for reproductive purposes...
>
> You have no idea.
Kittens.
<snip>
>>>>>>>> Mosaic was the only browser before Netscape took over. Then IE, then
>>>>>>>> the rest.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Opera is nicer, though.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I use it quite a lot myself.
>>>>>
>>>>> I hardly use another one.
>>>>
>>>> My internet banking seems to think Opera isn't secure enough for their
>>>> https site. So they don't support it (and that means it really doesn't
>>>> work, though it did work in the distant past).
>>>>
>>>> They also say they have all kinds of checks on their website to avoid
>>>> 'misuse'.
>>>
>>> Do they fall for changing the user agent string? If they have the
>>> technical knowledge to declare Opera unsafe while very likely supporting
>>> IE, they might very well fall for that.
>>
>> It is worse.
>>
>> With iDEAL you can buy stuff in web stores. But there is a picture of
>> which number you should type to confirm your payment to the bank.
>>
>> That picture is completely gone in Opera. It used to be there, but they
>> 'fixed' it.
>>
>> Now nobody I know uses Opera for online payment (well, my dad did but I
>> warned him of this).
>
> Shupid system. Not Opera's fault. (You could log a bug, you know...)
Actually. I have my bank's site as the homepage in Internet Explorer.
I use Internet Explorer exclusively for banking, and I check the 'lock'
and the site each time I do.
>>>>>>> You are not the first one to say that. I think Greepeace have already
>>>>>>> had banners with it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I know someone who works for greenpeace. I am pretty proud of what she
>>>>>> does!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> She wrote a book btw, but you need a creditcard to buy it.
>>>>>
>>>>> That excuses me from an excuse of reading it.
>>>>
>>>> I didn't read it neither, but I intend to buy it some day.
>>>
>>> There are several books I thing that about.
>>
>> It is better to have too many books, than to have nothing at all to
>> read when you feel like it.
>
> Have. As in already bought.
So how many books do you own (not related to physics).
>>>>>>>> They know you will be back to read AGC.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Will I?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I know you did so far.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm just bored from time to time. Not enough, though.
>>>>
>>>> Bored or anxious?
>>>
>>> Bored. By far not bored enough.
>>
>> Like being so bored you jump off cliffs just to hear the noise of the
>> air around your head?
>
> Not quite, but I'll be sure to keep that one in mind.
You'll be like that sperm whale in THHGTTG.
>>>>>> If Red Dragon posted you would even have a bigger reason to keep coming
>>>>>> back!
>>>>>
>>>>> Face it, this place is dead.
>>>>
>>>> She still lurks. Just not every day as we all used to at one time! When
>>>> the Triad also still posted.
>>>
>>> D E D - dead.
>>
>> Red Dragon had some problems of her own she confessed here. But I have
>> my hands full with you and hoping you can get through the hard parts of
>> your life. Like no university and no girlfriend (did you know those two
>> things were true for me at some time?).
>
> Like university, but no girlfriend.
I didn't have any female companions till a few years ago. And she
picked me, so there must be hope for you also.
>> But I bet Red Dragon will return soon here because of the holidays!
>> You and Red Dragon would look good together. Except that I have no idea
>> what you both look like.
>
> <g>
Is Red Dragon a goth? I can't remember.
She was very skinny right?
And made her own soap out of human flesh or something.
>>>>>>>> How about LaTeX?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> latex is the processor. The sources I write in vim.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I never used it. But I know it exists and what it is for.
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, I use it a lot. Works like a charm for creating PDFs.
>>>>
>>>> So when will you create another 'pdf'. You can't leave earth before
>>>> completing your life's work!
>>>
>>> Every now and then, but I haven't updated the one on site in ages. I
>>> just can't find enough time to write. I need me-time for that. Me on my
>>> own with nothing to do for longer stretches of time.
>>
>> That is the best news I heard in months!
>
> Isn't.
Why? Would you rather have done other things with that time?
>>>>>> You have to start small. Like getting out of bed ::hurray::. Washing
>>>>>> yourself and getting dressed ::hurray::. Brushing your teeth before you
>>>>>> go to bed ::hurray::
>>>>>
>>>>> That's... depressing.
>>>>
>>>> ::think a happy thought::
>>>> ::hurray!::
>>>
>>> Very depressing.
>>
>> ::rewards emmel for expressing himself::
>> ::hurray!::
>
> Oh my...
::asks emmel why he has such a worrying look on his face::
>>>>>>>> Alpha is probably the best processor ever! (after the PDP-11).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> PowerPC?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It is RISC, but why isn't it as fast as it's intel counterparts?
>>>>>> Because that is why Steve Jobs made Apple go from PowerPC to Intel!
>>>>>
>>>>> Weren't both RISC or almost at any rate?
>>>>
>>>> Intel processors are *very* CISC!
>>>
>>> Alpha and PowerPC.
>>
>> I like RISC better because there are less instructions to learn.
>>
>> I looked at java once as a programming language, but there is just too
>> many libraries. I tried buy java 1.4 with all the libraries as a book!
>> But they kept creating new versions of java and there are just soo many
>> libraries. That is not how I want to program.
>
> There isn't really another way.
Sure there is. You just have to specify your libraries carefully. And
not just create a new function with every fart you make.
>>>> It seems they add a new processor instruction set every generation. And
>>>> they number these generations :-( Like SSE4.
>>>
>>> I know.
>>>
>>>> I think 'we' don't need more instructions, we need faster instructions
>>>> and lower power usage! And larger caches!
>>>
>>> That didn't exactly work out. Less general specialist designs easily
>>> beat the specialist ones. That was what made the Amiga so powerful back
>>> in the day and indeed what makes CUDA worthwhile.
>>
>> CUDA? Is that an amiga emulator?
>
> Nope, NVidia's parallel programming thingamajig (Hey, it's been ages
> since I used that one!) for GPUs.
Now you have OpenCL right?
>>>>>>>> A lot of games were written in Turbo C in those days. You could tell by
>>>>>>>> examining the .exe with a hex viewer.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Not BGI graphics, though. The compiler was good. I think I still have a
>>>>>>> copy somewhere...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It is great! I wrote my assignments for computer science in them.
>>>>>> It caught a lot errors compared to GCC. And it had a DEBUGGER!!! (Which
>>>>>> is great for testing your 'library functions').
>>>>>
>>>>> gdb... Yeah, I know what you mean. The IDE with inline debugger was
>>>>> great. About those errors gdb didn't catch... You just have to put gcc
>>>>> into strict mode.
>>>>
>>>> Except that we had to do this on Minix. And that some graduate wrote
>>>> the C compiler for it (which has some obvious flaws, like allowing
>>>> malloc right into the stack).
>>>
>>> Um... Isn't it supposed to... Wait, you mean where the stack information
>>> is stored in?!
>>
>> That was in 199x, but seems like a potential buffer overflow to me.
>>
>> I just allocated and freed till I could allocate no more. Then I wrote
>> a test program to see if any data in the allocated space was mangled.
>> Which it was.
>>
>> Very simple program, but too much trouble to investigate for the
>> student helper. You can see why my happiness in life took a wrong turn
>> at that point.
>
> Yeeeees. Kinda.
But now I have time to do what I always wanted to do!
Post to usenet, update my computer and read my e-mail (if I get any).
>>>>>>>> But the fast parts were in assembler.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Only a few bits. And: Not portable.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Large computer games have never been portable (except Quake III maybe).
>>>>>
>>>>> Oh, Quake I and II as well. And C3/DS...
>>>>
>>>> That's all?
>>>
>>> Alpha Centauri. There have been a few more in the good old Loki days.
>>> Not many since.
>>
>> I love Alpha Centauri!
>
> Unfortunately it doesn't seem to run any more.
Have you tried firaxis' site? They have an W2K/XP patch.
>> Did you know Civilization V is in the making? It will have to do until
>> they do a remake of AC!
>>
>> What is 'loki'?
>
> A company porting games to Linux. Went out of business years ago.
Publishers probably saw no future in their games running on linux.
>>>>>> Though I had big trouble getting her to leave my flat yesterday. I
>>>>>> think she stayed till almost 2 am (and I was getting very tired way
>>>>>> before that).
>>>>>
>>>>> Erm, bed? I don't quite see the problem.
>>>>
>>>> No, she just watches tv till I throw her out each day.
>>>
>>> Oh. Shame.
>>
>> On the other hand, she will be making some kind of fresh fruit salad
>> today for us both. I am very curious how that will turn out.
>
> Tasty, I can only hope.
It was very nice :-) I would never make such things just for myself.
>>>> It is a good thing when you don't kill somebody.
>>>
>>> Depends entirely on the person in question.
>>
>> Nah, killing is always bad because the bad spirits or the person you
>> kill will start living inside yourself.
>
> Erm...
Ok. Call it 'karma'.
>> In fact, imagine that hitler didn't get himself elected in 193x. You
>> wouldn't have such good privacy laws now in Germany as you do have now.
>> And zionists would still be without a country of their own.
>>
>> Sometimes bad things must happen to get a better world.
>
> Erm...
It is a fact that without Hitler, there wouldn't be a zionist state.
The good privacy laws are probably more a result of the stasi in the
DDR.
But without Hitler, Stalin wouldn't have become so big a player in the
world. And without Stalin we wouldn't have had the DDR.
It is all connected.
>> What if Jesus wasn't crucified? We might not have Christianity at all
>> if that didn't happen!
>
> And where's the problem exactly?
We would be poli-religious?
>> Which doesn't mean people should do bad things. Of course.
>
> Of course. How could I only get that idea.
karma again.
'What you do will come back to you'.
>>>>>>>> The BFG is the bait.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A bait that delivers delicious nuclear doom...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you make it that far down the alley leading to it. With me somewhere
>>>>>> at a random angle from the entry to it.
>>>>>
>>>>> But it has a nice fire rate. For five seconds or so...
>>>>
>>>> If you camp the spawn place of the BFG, that is not a problem.
>>>> Besides, you get killed with a BFG well within 5 seconds!!
>>>
>>> Indeed.
>>
>> I camped the BFG when I played on my LAN with a friend who is very much
>> addicted to Quake III. You swim under water till you go up, and then
>> there is a stair left and right. I sat somewhere waiting for him on
>> those stairs, and he just couldn't get to the BFG before I killed him.
>>
>> Not that we are very good players. But before I camped I kept getting
>> shot by his BFG. We had some bots too. So killing them a lot would mean
>> you won also.
>
> Bots were easy.
I tried to ignore they were bots with known paths. Just run like crazy
to get the most kills! Dying isn't that bad if you get 100 health back
instead of the 12 you had before you met your doom.
emmel
> On 26-7-2010 10:48, emmel wrote:
>> Thus Neo spoke:
>>
>>> On 5-7-2010 11:23, emmel wrote:
>>>> Thus Neo spoke:
>>>>
>>>>> On 22-6-2010 9:55, emmel wrote:
>>>>>> Thus Neo spoke:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I don't have a cat.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But you saw a cat.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So I saw a cat I don't have? Or just one I don't own?
>>>>>
>>>>> YOU saw a cat I didn't own.
>>>>
>>>> That, too.
>>>
>>> So there is more than one cat in the world?
>>
>> Yes.
>
> And is there more than one world with cats?
I'm not telling.
>>> Probably for reproductive purposes...
>>
>> You have no idea.
>
> Kittens.
Kitteh?
>>> It is worse.
>>>
>>> With iDEAL you can buy stuff in web stores. But there is a picture of
>>> which number you should type to confirm your payment to the bank.
>>>
>>> That picture is completely gone in Opera. It used to be there, but they
>>> 'fixed' it.
>>>
>>> Now nobody I know uses Opera for online payment (well, my dad did but I
>>> warned him of this).
>>
>> Shupid system. Not Opera's fault. (You could log a bug, you know...)
>
> Actually. I have my bank's site as the homepage in Internet Explorer.
> I use Internet Explorer exclusively for banking, and I check the 'lock'
> and the site each time I do.
That's just so wrong.
>>>> There are several books I thing that about.
>>>
>>> It is better to have too many books, than to have nothing at all to
>>> read when you feel like it.
>>
>> Have. As in already bought.
>
> So how many books do you own (not related to physics).
A hell of a lot more than physics related ones.
>>>> D E D - dead.
>>>
>>> Red Dragon had some problems of her own she confessed here. But I have
>>> my hands full with you and hoping you can get through the hard parts of
>>> your life. Like no university and no girlfriend (did you know those two
>>> things were true for me at some time?).
>>
>> Like university, but no girlfriend.
>
> I didn't have any female companions till a few years ago. And she
> picked me, so there must be hope for you also.
Hope dies last. But it *does* look pretty dead to me by now.
>>> But I bet Red Dragon will return soon here because of the holidays!
>>> You and Red Dragon would look good together. Except that I have no idea
>>> what you both look like.
>>
>> <g>
>
> Is Red Dragon a goth? I can't remember.
> She was very skinny right?
How the hell am I supposed to know? It's not like girls send my
photographs all the time. Or at all. And that's not limited to girls. Or
Photographs. I suck.
> And made her own soap out of human flesh or something.
I don't think human flesh was involved.
>>>> Every now and then, but I haven't updated the one on site in ages. I
>>>> just can't find enough time to write. I need me-time for that. Me on my
>>>> own with nothing to do for longer stretches of time.
>>>
>>> That is the best news I heard in months!
>>
>> Isn't.
>
> Why? Would you rather have done other things with that time?
I love writing.
>>>>>>> You have to start small. Like getting out of bed ::hurray::. Washing
>>>>>>> yourself and getting dressed ::hurray::. Brushing your teeth before you
>>>>>>> go to bed ::hurray::
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's... depressing.
>>>>>
>>>>> ::think a happy thought::
>>>>> ::hurray!::
>>>>
>>>> Very depressing.
>>>
>>> ::rewards emmel for expressing himself::
>>> ::hurray!::
>>
>> Oh my...
>
>::asks emmel why he has such a worrying look on his face::
Isn't it obvious?
>>>>>>>>> Alpha is probably the best processor ever! (after the PDP-11).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> PowerPC?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It is RISC, but why isn't it as fast as it's intel counterparts?
>>>>>>> Because that is why Steve Jobs made Apple go from PowerPC to Intel!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Weren't both RISC or almost at any rate?
>>>>>
>>>>> Intel processors are *very* CISC!
>>>>
>>>> Alpha and PowerPC.
>>>
>>> I like RISC better because there are less instructions to learn.
>>>
>>> I looked at java once as a programming language, but there is just too
>>> many libraries. I tried buy java 1.4 with all the libraries as a book!
>>> But they kept creating new versions of java and there are just soo many
>>> libraries. That is not how I want to program.
>>
>> There isn't really another way.
>
> Sure there is. You just have to specify your libraries carefully. And
> not just create a new function with every fart you make.
Since when's Methane involved?
>>>>> It seems they add a new processor instruction set every generation. And
>>>>> they number these generations :-( Like SSE4.
>>>>
>>>> I know.
>>>>
>>>>> I think 'we' don't need more instructions, we need faster instructions
>>>>> and lower power usage! And larger caches!
>>>>
>>>> That didn't exactly work out. Less general specialist designs easily
>>>> beat the specialist ones. That was what made the Amiga so powerful back
>>>> in the day and indeed what makes CUDA worthwhile.
>>>
>>> CUDA? Is that an amiga emulator?
>>
>> Nope, NVidia's parallel programming thingamajig (Hey, it's been ages
>> since I used that one!) for GPUs.
>
> Now you have OpenCL right?
Huh?
>>> That was in 199x, but seems like a potential buffer overflow to me.
>>>
>>> I just allocated and freed till I could allocate no more. Then I wrote
>>> a test program to see if any data in the allocated space was mangled.
>>> Which it was.
>>>
>>> Very simple program, but too much trouble to investigate for the
>>> student helper. You can see why my happiness in life took a wrong turn
>>> at that point.
>>
>> Yeeeees. Kinda.
>
> But now I have time to do what I always wanted to do!
> Post to usenet, update my computer and read my e-mail (if I get any).
That's somehow sad. I get only spam, really.
>>>>>>>>> But the fast parts were in assembler.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Only a few bits. And: Not portable.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Large computer games have never been portable (except Quake III maybe).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Oh, Quake I and II as well. And C3/DS...
>>>>>
>>>>> That's all?
>>>>
>>>> Alpha Centauri. There have been a few more in the good old Loki days.
>>>> Not many since.
>>>
>>> I love Alpha Centauri!
>>
>> Unfortunately it doesn't seem to run any more.
>
> Have you tried firaxis' site? They have an W2K/XP patch.
And that helps with the Linux version how exactly?
>>> Did you know Civilization V is in the making? It will have to do until
>>> they do a remake of AC!
>>>
>>> What is 'loki'?
>>
>> A company porting games to Linux. Went out of business years ago.
>
> Publishers probably saw no future in their games running on linux.
Not exactly. They just couldn't get enough money from the ports. With
them being released quite some time after the windows version...
>>>>>>> Though I had big trouble getting her to leave my flat yesterday. I
>>>>>>> think she stayed till almost 2 am (and I was getting very tired way
>>>>>>> before that).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Erm, bed? I don't quite see the problem.
>>>>>
>>>>> No, she just watches tv till I throw her out each day.
>>>>
>>>> Oh. Shame.
>>>
>>> On the other hand, she will be making some kind of fresh fruit salad
>>> today for us both. I am very curious how that will turn out.
>>
>> Tasty, I can only hope.
>
> It was very nice :-) I would never make such things just for myself.
Nice? That sounds that a death sentence.
>>>>> It is a good thing when you don't kill somebody.
>>>>
>>>> Depends entirely on the person in question.
>>>
>>> Nah, killing is always bad because the bad spirits or the person you
>>> kill will start living inside yourself.
>>
>> Erm...
>
> Ok. Call it 'karma'.
Calling it differently doesn't change a thing.
>>> In fact, imagine that hitler didn't get himself elected in 193x. You
>>> wouldn't have such good privacy laws now in Germany as you do have now.
>>> And zionists would still be without a country of their own.
>>>
>>> Sometimes bad things must happen to get a better world.
>>
>> Erm...
>
> It is a fact that without Hitler, there wouldn't be a zionist state.
> The good privacy laws are probably more a result of the stasi in the
> DDR.
You are exaggerating.
> But without Hitler, Stalin wouldn't have become so big a player in the
> world. And without Stalin we wouldn't have had the DDR.
At least the last one is pretty clear.
> It is all connected.
Holistic.
>>> What if Jesus wasn't crucified? We might not have Christianity at all
>>> if that didn't happen!
>>
>> And where's the problem exactly?
>
> We would be poli-religious?
And?
>>> Which doesn't mean people should do bad things. Of course.
>>
>> Of course. How could I only get that idea.
>
> karma again.
>
> 'What you do will come back to you'.
One look at out politicians...
>>>>>>>>> The BFG is the bait.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> A bait that delivers delicious nuclear doom...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you make it that far down the alley leading to it. With me somewhere
>>>>>>> at a random angle from the entry to it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But it has a nice fire rate. For five seconds or so...
>>>>>
>>>>> If you camp the spawn place of the BFG, that is not a problem.
>>>>> Besides, you get killed with a BFG well within 5 seconds!!
>>>>
>>>> Indeed.
>>>
>>> I camped the BFG when I played on my LAN with a friend who is very much
>>> addicted to Quake III. You swim under water till you go up, and then
>>> there is a stair left and right. I sat somewhere waiting for him on
>>> those stairs, and he just couldn't get to the BFG before I killed him.
>>>
>>> Not that we are very good players. But before I camped I kept getting
>>> shot by his BFG. We had some bots too. So killing them a lot would mean
>>> you won also.
>>
>> Bots were easy.
>
> I tried to ignore they were bots with known paths. Just run like crazy
> to get the most kills! Dying isn't that bad if you get 100 health back
> instead of the 12 you had before you met your doom.
I liked sniping.
Neo
> Thus Neo spoke:
>
>> On 26-7-2010 10:48, emmel wrote:
>>> Thus Neo spoke:
>>>
>>>> On 5-7-2010 11:23, emmel wrote:
>>>>> Thus Neo spoke:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 22-6-2010 9:55, emmel wrote:
>>>>>>> Thus Neo spoke:
>>>> It is worse.
>>>>
>>>> With iDEAL you can buy stuff in web stores. But there is a picture of
>>>> which number you should type to confirm your payment to the bank.
>>>>
>>>> That picture is completely gone in Opera. It used to be there, but they
>>>> 'fixed' it.
>>>>
>>>> Now nobody I know uses Opera for online payment (well, my dad did but I
>>>> warned him of this).
>>>
>>> Shupid system. Not Opera's fault. (You could log a bug, you know...)
>>
>> Actually. I have my bank's site as the homepage in Internet Explorer.
>> I use Internet Explorer exclusively for banking, and I check the 'lock'
>> and the site each time I do.
>
> That's just so wrong.
We actually had commercials from the government. "Knock three times":
1. Is your computer fully updated?
(yes)
2. Are you at the correct site?
(see above)
3. Check if your payments are correct.
(I actually have a 'paper trail', so that is pretty good also, and
pretty unusual in Holland these days)
Not that our government has a clue a about IT btw.
>>>>> There are several books I thing that about.
>>>>
>>>> It is better to have too many books, than to have nothing at all to
>>>> read when you feel like it.
>>>
>>> Have. As in already bought.
>>
>> So how many books do you own (not related to physics).
>
> A hell of a lot more than physics related ones.
So how many meters do you own? How much of your wall is covered with
bookshelves?
>>>>> D E D - dead.
>>>>
>>>> Red Dragon had some problems of her own she confessed here. But I have
>>>> my hands full with you and hoping you can get through the hard parts of
>>>> your life. Like no university and no girlfriend (did you know those two
>>>> things were true for me at some time?).
>>>
>>> Like university, but no girlfriend.
>>
>> I didn't have any female companions till a few years ago. And she
>> picked me, so there must be hope for you also.
>
> Hope dies last. But it *does* look pretty dead to me by now.
I promise you, by the time you have been together with a girl for two
years, you can't wait to be alone and on your own again.
True love is *very* rare. Especially these days where everybody is
swamped by information and data. And where noone has any time left to
think of feel.
>>>> But I bet Red Dragon will return soon here because of the holidays!
>>>> You and Red Dragon would look good together. Except that I have no idea
>>>> what you both look like.
>>>
>>> <g>
>>
>> Is Red Dragon a goth? I can't remember.
>> She was very skinny right?
>
> How the hell am I supposed to know? It's not like girls send my
> photographs all the time. Or at all. And that's not limited to girls. Or
> Photographs. I suck.
>
>> And made her own soap out of human flesh or something.
>
> I don't think human flesh was involved.
She would have reacted to his has she still lurked, wouldn't she?
I am told I have an edge in annoying females. Must have something to do
with growing up with a younger sister (or in her case, an older
brother).
I think it is pretty bad manners to tell someone on usenet that you are
depressed, and then disappear without a trace.
And I have been in suicide groups on the internet (for very short
amounts of time because it is not really my thing to be busy with for
longer periods of time).
>>>>> Every now and then, but I haven't updated the one on site in ages. I
>>>>> just can't find enough time to write. I need me-time for that. Me on my
>>>>> own with nothing to do for longer stretches of time.
>>>>
>>>> That is the best news I heard in months!
>>>
>>> Isn't.
>>
>> Why? Would you rather have done other things with that time?
>
> I love writing.
If you really love writing, you will find time to do so.
And if your writing is really worth reading (which I think it is), you
will convince a publisher to buy your book.
And your stories are very easy to write sequels for by their very
nature. So you will never run out of stuff to write.
>>>>>>>> You have to start small. Like getting out of bed ::hurray::. Washing
>>>>>>>> yourself and getting dressed ::hurray::. Brushing your teeth before you
>>>>>>>> go to bed ::hurray::
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That's... depressing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ::think a happy thought::
>>>>>> ::hurray!::
>>>>>
>>>>> Very depressing.
>>>>
>>>> ::rewards emmel for expressing himself::
>>>> ::hurray!::
>>>
>>> Oh my...
>>
>> ::asks emmel why he has such a worrying look on his face::
>
> Isn't it obvious?
No it is not. It is not me, is it?
>>>>>>>>>> Alpha is probably the best processor ever! (after the PDP-11).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> PowerPC?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It is RISC, but why isn't it as fast as it's intel counterparts?
>>>>>>>> Because that is why Steve Jobs made Apple go from PowerPC to Intel!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Weren't both RISC or almost at any rate?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Intel processors are *very* CISC!
>>>>>
>>>>> Alpha and PowerPC.
>>>>
>>>> I like RISC better because there are less instructions to learn.
>>>>
>>>> I looked at java once as a programming language, but there is just too
>>>> many libraries. I tried buy java 1.4 with all the libraries as a book!
>>>> But they kept creating new versions of java and there are just soo many
>>>> libraries. That is not how I want to program.
>>>
>>> There isn't really another way.
>>
>> Sure there is. You just have to specify your libraries carefully. And
>> not just create a new function with every fart you make.
>
> Since when's Methane involved?
Someone used to have a signature on usenet that said:
"If you are going to brainfart, keep your hands off the keyboard".
>>>>>> It seems they add a new processor instruction set every generation. And
>>>>>> they number these generations :-( Like SSE4.
>>>>>
>>>>> I know.
>>>>>
>>>>>> I think 'we' don't need more instructions, we need faster instructions
>>>>>> and lower power usage! And larger caches!
>>>>>
>>>>> That didn't exactly work out. Less general specialist designs easily
>>>>> beat the specialist ones. That was what made the Amiga so powerful back
>>>>> in the day and indeed what makes CUDA worthwhile.
>>>>
>>>> CUDA? Is that an amiga emulator?
>>>
>>> Nope, NVidia's parallel programming thingamajig (Hey, it's been ages
>>> since I used that one!) for GPUs.
>>
>> Now you have OpenCL right?
>
> Huh?
It is not a typo.
I first saw it on the site from apple. It being supported in Snow
Leopard. http://www.apple.com/de/macosx/technology/#opencl
>>>> That was in 199x, but seems like a potential buffer overflow to me.
>>>>
>>>> I just allocated and freed till I could allocate no more. Then I wrote
>>>> a test program to see if any data in the allocated space was mangled.
>>>> Which it was.
>>>>
>>>> Very simple program, but too much trouble to investigate for the
>>>> student helper. You can see why my happiness in life took a wrong turn
>>>> at that point.
>>>
>>> Yeeeees. Kinda.
>>
>> But now I have time to do what I always wanted to do!
>> Post to usenet, update my computer and read my e-mail (if I get any).
>
> That's somehow sad. I get only spam, really.
It is happening to me too. I wonder if it is me, that people are afraid
of me. I can get quite annoyed by not being replied to in certain mails.
Some people have learned to reply to me, but they hardly send me
something by themselves.
Girlfriend takes care of the lonely feeling however. I give her that. I
haven't felt lonely since I met her. And that is worth something.
>>>>>>>>>> But the fast parts were in assembler.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Only a few bits. And: Not portable.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Large computer games have never been portable (except Quake III maybe).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Oh, Quake I and II as well. And C3/DS...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's all?
>>>>>
>>>>> Alpha Centauri. There have been a few more in the good old Loki days.
>>>>> Not many since.
>>>>
>>>> I love Alpha Centauri!
>>>
>>> Unfortunately it doesn't seem to run any more.
>>
>> Have you tried firaxis' site? They have an W2K/XP patch.
>
> And that helps with the Linux version how exactly?
Can't you dual-boot a cracked version of windows XP?
You just don't put it on the internet (by removing the ethernet drivers
preferably). Just for games!
I run Vista32, XP and Xubuntu. (And Snow Leopard).
>>>> Did you know Civilization V is in the making? It will have to do until
>>>> they do a remake of AC!
>>>>
>>>> What is 'loki'?
>>>
>>> A company porting games to Linux. Went out of business years ago.
>>
>> Publishers probably saw no future in their games running on linux.
>
> Not exactly. They just couldn't get enough money from the ports. With
> them being released quite some time after the windows version...
Another problem is that the linux crowd likes to get things for free.
As in free beer.
>>>>>>>> Though I had big trouble getting her to leave my flat yesterday. I
>>>>>>>> think she stayed till almost 2 am (and I was getting very tired way
>>>>>>>> before that).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Erm, bed? I don't quite see the problem.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No, she just watches tv till I throw her out each day.
>>>>>
>>>>> Oh. Shame.
>>>>
>>>> On the other hand, she will be making some kind of fresh fruit salad
>>>> today for us both. I am very curious how that will turn out.
>>>
>>> Tasty, I can only hope.
>>
>> It was very nice :-) I would never make such things just for myself.
>
> Nice? That sounds that a death sentence.
It is actually pretty good!
She is the kind of girl that will burn the meat when she cooks normal
food. So I normally do the cooking.
>>>>>> It is a good thing when you don't kill somebody.
>>>>>
>>>>> Depends entirely on the person in question.
>>>>
>>>> Nah, killing is always bad because the bad spirits or the person you
>>>> kill will start living inside yourself.
>>>
>>> Erm...
>>
>> Ok. Call it 'karma'.
>
> Calling it differently doesn't change a thing.
You obviously don't understand anything about politics ;-)
Or commerce.
>>>> In fact, imagine that hitler didn't get himself elected in 193x. You
>>>> wouldn't have such good privacy laws now in Germany as you do have now.
>>>> And zionists would still be without a country of their own.
>>>>
>>>> Sometimes bad things must happen to get a better world.
>>>
>>> Erm...
>>
>> It is a fact that without Hitler, there wouldn't be a zionist state.
>> The good privacy laws are probably more a result of the stasi in the
>> DDR.
>
> You are exaggerating.
I probably am. But that doesn't make it untrue.
Zionists gained greatly from the WWII.
I just think that most regular jews didn't. (The kind that doesn't give
a damn about Israel, and who just want to practice their believe in
JHWH without getting killed by nazi's).
To me, Israel is a religious theme park. Even though I do believe in
JHWH.
>> But without Hitler, Stalin wouldn't have become so big a player in the
>> world. And without Stalin we wouldn't have had the DDR.
>
> At least the last one is pretty clear.
>
>> It is all connected.
>
> Holistic.
Dirk Gently.
>>>> What if Jesus wasn't crucified? We might not have Christianity at all
>>>> if that didn't happen!
>>>
>>> And where's the problem exactly?
>>
>> We would be poli-religious?
>
> And?
non-religious?
>>>> Which doesn't mean people should do bad things. Of course.
>>>
>>> Of course. How could I only get that idea.
>>
>> karma again.
>>
>> 'What you do will come back to you'.
>
> One look at out politicians...
A lot of politicians do not get re-elected, so it is temporary fame.
Not that they don't do a lot of damage to the civilization they are
representing, but that is what you get with incompetent, ignorant,
arrogant leaders. And the system that supports them.
>>>>>>>>>> The BFG is the bait.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> A bait that delivers delicious nuclear doom...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If you make it that far down the alley leading to it. With me somewhere
>>>>>>>> at a random angle from the entry to it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But it has a nice fire rate. For five seconds or so...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you camp the spawn place of the BFG, that is not a problem.
>>>>>> Besides, you get killed with a BFG well within 5 seconds!!
>>>>>
>>>>> Indeed.
>>>>
>>>> I camped the BFG when I played on my LAN with a friend who is very much
>>>> addicted to Quake III. You swim under water till you go up, and then
>>>> there is a stair left and right. I sat somewhere waiting for him on
>>>> those stairs, and he just couldn't get to the BFG before I killed him.
>>>>
>>>> Not that we are very good players. But before I camped I kept getting
>>>> shot by his BFG. We had some bots too. So killing them a lot would mean
>>>> you won also.
>>>
>>> Bots were easy.
>>
>> I tried to ignore they were bots with known paths. Just run like crazy
>> to get the most kills! Dying isn't that bad if you get 100 health back
>> instead of the 12 you had before you met your doom.
>
> I liked sniping.
I have a 'Headshot' t-shirt. It is a skull getting a bullet through it
in yellow and black. I freaked out a psychiatrist with that t-shirt.
But when I explained it was from FPS games, he understood.
emmel
My paper trail is PDF...
> Not that our government has a clue a about IT btw.
Naturally.
>>>>>> There are several books I thing that about.
>>>>>
>>>>> It is better to have too many books, than to have nothing at all to
>>>>> read when you feel like it.
>>>>
>>>> Have. As in already bought.
>>>
>>> So how many books do you own (not related to physics).
>>
>> A hell of a lot more than physics related ones.
>
> So how many meters do you own? How much of your wall is covered with
> bookshelves?
Dunno. Five? Something like that.
>>>>>> D E D - dead.
>>>>>
>>>>> Red Dragon had some problems of her own she confessed here. But I have
>>>>> my hands full with you and hoping you can get through the hard parts of
>>>>> your life. Like no university and no girlfriend (did you know those two
>>>>> things were true for me at some time?).
>>>>
>>>> Like university, but no girlfriend.
>>>
>>> I didn't have any female companions till a few years ago. And she
>>> picked me, so there must be hope for you also.
>>
>> Hope dies last. But it *does* look pretty dead to me by now.
>
> I promise you, by the time you have been together with a girl for two
> years, you can't wait to be alone and on your own again.
That's what you say.
> True love is *very* rare. Especially these days where everybody is
> swamped by information and data. And where noone has any time left to
> think of feel.
Yeah. But... One can hope, eh?
>>>>> But I bet Red Dragon will return soon here because of the holidays!
>>>>> You and Red Dragon would look good together. Except that I have no idea
>>>>> what you both look like.
>>>>
>>>> <g>
>>>
>>> Is Red Dragon a goth? I can't remember.
>>> She was very skinny right?
>>
>> How the hell am I supposed to know? It's not like girls send my
>> photographs all the time. Or at all. And that's not limited to girls. Or
>> Photographs. I suck.
>>
>>> And made her own soap out of human flesh or something.
>>
>> I don't think human flesh was involved.
>
> She would have reacted to his has she still lurked, wouldn't she?
Yes...
> I am told I have an edge in annoying females. Must have something to do
> with growing up with a younger sister (or in her case, an older
> brother).
Not necessarily. Aren't siblings supposed to help matters?
> I think it is pretty bad manners to tell someone on usenet that you are
> depressed, and then disappear without a trace.
Or tell people you are dying when you are not...
> And I have been in suicide groups on the internet (for very short
> amounts of time because it is not really my thing to be busy with for
> longer periods of time).
I guess you can get suicidal there.
>>>>>> Every now and then, but I haven't updated the one on site in ages. I
>>>>>> just can't find enough time to write. I need me-time for that. Me on my
>>>>>> own with nothing to do for longer stretches of time.
>>>>>
>>>>> That is the best news I heard in months!
>>>>
>>>> Isn't.
>>>
>>> Why? Would you rather have done other things with that time?
>>
>> I love writing.
>
> If you really love writing, you will find time to do so.
Your eternal optimism. It's nothing I can squeeze in. It requires a
certain mind set and I have trouble find that lately.
> And if your writing is really worth reading (which I think it is), you
> will convince a publisher to buy your book.
Actually I think my chances are very slim on that one. Even if it was
good enough I tend to be very protective about my intellectual property
and that doesn't sit too well with publishers, I guess.
> And your stories are very easy to write sequels for by their very
> nature. So you will never run out of stuff to write.
You think so? Their nature is actually quite closed. Or will be once I
write the end.
>>>>>>>>> You have to start small. Like getting out of bed ::hurray::. Washing
>>>>>>>>> yourself and getting dressed ::hurray::. Brushing your teeth before you
>>>>>>>>> go to bed ::hurray::
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That's... depressing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ::think a happy thought::
>>>>>>> ::hurray!::
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Very depressing.
>>>>>
>>>>> ::rewards emmel for expressing himself::
>>>>> ::hurray!::
>>>>
>>>> Oh my...
>>>
>>> ::asks emmel why he has such a worrying look on his face::
>>
>> Isn't it obvious?
>
> No it is not. It is not me, is it?
Emphasizing such small things gives me the very distinct feeling that I
have failed big time. As if I need a reminder of that.
>>>>>>> It seems they add a new processor instruction set every generation. And
>>>>>>> they number these generations :-( Like SSE4.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I know.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think 'we' don't need more instructions, we need faster instructions
>>>>>>> and lower power usage! And larger caches!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That didn't exactly work out. Less general specialist designs easily
>>>>>> beat the specialist ones. That was what made the Amiga so powerful back
>>>>>> in the day and indeed what makes CUDA worthwhile.
>>>>>
>>>>> CUDA? Is that an amiga emulator?
>>>>
>>>> Nope, NVidia's parallel programming thingamajig (Hey, it's been ages
>>>> since I used that one!) for GPUs.
>>>
>>> Now you have OpenCL right?
>>
>> Huh?
>
> It is not a typo.
>
> I first saw it on the site from apple. It being supported in Snow
> Leopard. http://www.apple.com/de/macosx/technology/#opencl
Whatever.
>>>>> That was in 199x, but seems like a potential buffer overflow to me.
>>>>>
>>>>> I just allocated and freed till I could allocate no more. Then I wrote
>>>>> a test program to see if any data in the allocated space was mangled.
>>>>> Which it was.
>>>>>
>>>>> Very simple program, but too much trouble to investigate for the
>>>>> student helper. You can see why my happiness in life took a wrong turn
>>>>> at that point.
>>>>
>>>> Yeeeees. Kinda.
>>>
>>> But now I have time to do what I always wanted to do!
>>> Post to usenet, update my computer and read my e-mail (if I get any).
>>
>> That's somehow sad. I get only spam, really.
>
> It is happening to me too. I wonder if it is me, that people are afraid
> of me. I can get quite annoyed by not being replied to in certain mails.
>
> Some people have learned to reply to me, but they hardly send me
> something by themselves.
>
> Girlfriend takes care of the lonely feeling however. I give her that. I
> haven't felt lonely since I met her. And that is worth something.
You are lucky.
>>>>>>>>>>> But the fast parts were in assembler.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Only a few bits. And: Not portable.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Large computer games have never been portable (except Quake III maybe).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Oh, Quake I and II as well. And C3/DS...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That's all?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Alpha Centauri. There have been a few more in the good old Loki days.
>>>>>> Not many since.
>>>>>
>>>>> I love Alpha Centauri!
>>>>
>>>> Unfortunately it doesn't seem to run any more.
>>>
>>> Have you tried firaxis' site? They have an W2K/XP patch.
>>
>> And that helps with the Linux version how exactly?
>
> Can't you dual-boot a cracked version of windows XP?
Nah, my legal Windows occupies that space...
> You just don't put it on the internet (by removing the ethernet drivers
> preferably). Just for games!
>
> I run Vista32, XP and Xubuntu. (And Snow Leopard).
Windows 7 is quite nice, actually. But unfortunately they removed the
Unix compat stuff from Professional.
>>>>> Did you know Civilization V is in the making? It will have to do until
>>>>> they do a remake of AC!
>>>>>
>>>>> What is 'loki'?
>>>>
>>>> A company porting games to Linux. Went out of business years ago.
>>>
>>> Publishers probably saw no future in their games running on linux.
>>
>> Not exactly. They just couldn't get enough money from the ports. With
>> them being released quite some time after the windows version...
>
> Another problem is that the linux crowd likes to get things for free.
> As in free beer.
Not really. I mean everyone does, but there's enough commercial stuff
for Linux.
>>>>>>>>> Though I had big trouble getting her to leave my flat yesterday. I
>>>>>>>>> think she stayed till almost 2 am (and I was getting very tired way
>>>>>>>>> before that).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Erm, bed? I don't quite see the problem.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No, she just watches tv till I throw her out each day.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Oh. Shame.
>>>>>
>>>>> On the other hand, she will be making some kind of fresh fruit salad
>>>>> today for us both. I am very curious how that will turn out.
>>>>
>>>> Tasty, I can only hope.
>>>
>>> It was very nice :-) I would never make such things just for myself.
>>
>> Nice? That sounds that a death sentence.
>
> It is actually pretty good!
Should have said so. You never call anything nice when woman or cooking
are involved.
> She is the kind of girl that will burn the meat when she cooks normal
> food. So I normally do the cooking.
Hey, I can do that.
>>>>>>> It is a good thing when you don't kill somebody.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Depends entirely on the person in question.
>>>>>
>>>>> Nah, killing is always bad because the bad spirits or the person you
>>>>> kill will start living inside yourself.
>>>>
>>>> Erm...
>>>
>>> Ok. Call it 'karma'.
>>
>> Calling it differently doesn't change a thing.
>
> You obviously don't understand anything about politics ;-)
> Or commerce.
Maybe I just refuse to lower myself onto their turf?
That reminds me of Babylon 5. The dialogue went something like that: We
don't have homeless anymore on Earth. (That was the last one in three
things, I think.) - When did that happen? - When we rewrote the
dictionary.
NewSpeak at its best. Now where's my DoubleSpeak Dictonary?
>>>>> In fact, imagine that hitler didn't get himself elected in 193x. You
>>>>> wouldn't have such good privacy laws now in Germany as you do have now.
>>>>> And zionists would still be without a country of their own.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sometimes bad things must happen to get a better world.
>>>>
>>>> Erm...
>>>
>>> It is a fact that without Hitler, there wouldn't be a zionist state.
>>> The good privacy laws are probably more a result of the stasi in the
>>> DDR.
>>
>> You are exaggerating.
>
> I probably am. But that doesn't make it untrue.
>
> Zionists gained greatly from the WWII.
> I just think that most regular jews didn't. (The kind that doesn't give
> a damn about Israel, and who just want to practice their believe in
> JHWH without getting killed by nazi's).
>
> To me, Israel is a religious theme park. Even though I do believe in
> JHWH.
I think you are being to harsh. Theme park religion more fits those
American fundamentalists.
>>> But without Hitler, Stalin wouldn't have become so big a player in the
>>> world. And without Stalin we wouldn't have had the DDR.
>>
>> At least the last one is pretty clear.
>>
>>> It is all connected.
>>
>> Holistic.
>
> Dirk Gently.
Exactly.
>>>>> What if Jesus wasn't crucified? We might not have Christianity at all
>>>>> if that didn't happen!
>>>>
>>>> And where's the problem exactly?
>>>
>>> We would be poli-religious?
>>
>> And?
>
> non-religious?
And?
>>>>> Which doesn't mean people should do bad things. Of course.
>>>>
>>>> Of course. How could I only get that idea.
>>>
>>> karma again.
>>>
>>> 'What you do will come back to you'.
>>
>> One look at out politicians...
>
> A lot of politicians do not get re-elected, so it is temporary fame.
> Not that they don't do a lot of damage to the civilization they are
> representing, but that is what you get with incompetent, ignorant,
> arrogant leaders. And the system that supports them.
Don't tell me about it.
>>>>>>>>>>> The BFG is the bait.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> A bait that delivers delicious nuclear doom...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If you make it that far down the alley leading to it. With me somewhere
>>>>>>>>> at a random angle from the entry to it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But it has a nice fire rate. For five seconds or so...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you camp the spawn place of the BFG, that is not a problem.
>>>>>>> Besides, you get killed with a BFG well within 5 seconds!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Indeed.
>>>>>
>>>>> I camped the BFG when I played on my LAN with a friend who is very much
>>>>> addicted to Quake III. You swim under water till you go up, and then
>>>>> there is a stair left and right. I sat somewhere waiting for him on
>>>>> those stairs, and he just couldn't get to the BFG before I killed him.
>>>>>
>>>>> Not that we are very good players. But before I camped I kept getting
>>>>> shot by his BFG. We had some bots too. So killing them a lot would mean
>>>>> you won also.
>>>>
>>>> Bots were easy.
>>>
>>> I tried to ignore they were bots with known paths. Just run like crazy
>>> to get the most kills! Dying isn't that bad if you get 100 health back
>>> instead of the 12 you had before you met your doom.
>>
>> I liked sniping.
>
> I have a 'Headshot' t-shirt. It is a skull getting a bullet through it
> in yellow and black. I freaked out a psychiatrist with that t-shirt.
> But when I explained it was from FPS games, he understood.
You did freak him out on purpose, didn't you?
Neo
Bits and Bytes are volatile by their very nature.
Unless you print them out on paper!
>> Not that our government has a clue a about IT btw.
>
> Naturally.
Not that they are even trying...
>>>>>>> There are several books I thing that about.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It is better to have too many books, than to have nothing at all to
>>>>>> read when you feel like it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Have. As in already bought.
>>>>
>>>> So how many books do you own (not related to physics).
>>>
>>> A hell of a lot more than physics related ones.
>>
>> So how many meters do you own? How much of your wall is covered with
>> bookshelves?
>
> Dunno. Five? Something like that.
That is a lot!
More than I have, and I am older than you.
I have 3m of computer games though. 3 shelves high (though there is a
meter of DVD's too). All legal!
>>>>>>> D E D - dead.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Red Dragon had some problems of her own she confessed here. But I have
>>>>>> my hands full with you and hoping you can get through the hard parts of
>>>>>> your life. Like no university and no girlfriend (did you know those two
>>>>>> things were true for me at some time?).
>>>>>
>>>>> Like university, but no girlfriend.
>>>>
>>>> I didn't have any female companions till a few years ago. And she
>>>> picked me, so there must be hope for you also.
>>>
>>> Hope dies last. But it *does* look pretty dead to me by now.
>>
>> I promise you, by the time you have been together with a girl for two
>> years, you can't wait to be alone and on your own again.
>
> That's what you say.
Depends on the girl I guess.
Mine tends to talk a lot.
About things that don't interest me (mostly about herself).
I don't want to be rude to her, but it gets on my nerves after a while!
>> True love is *very* rare. Especially these days where everybody is
>> swamped by information and data. And where noone has any time left to
>> think of feel.
>
> Yeah. But... One can hope, eh?
"It is not the despair. I can handle the despair. It is the *hope* that
is driving my crazy" - Clockwise, John Cleese as the headmaster.
>>>>>> But I bet Red Dragon will return soon here because of the holidays!
>>>>>> You and Red Dragon would look good together. Except that I have no idea
>>>>>> what you both look like.
>>>>>
>>>>> <g>
>>>>
>>>> Is Red Dragon a goth? I can't remember.
>>>> She was very skinny right?
>>>
>>> How the hell am I supposed to know? It's not like girls send my
>>> photographs all the time. Or at all. And that's not limited to girls. Or
>>> Photographs. I suck.
>>>
>>>> And made her own soap out of human flesh or something.
>>>
>>> I don't think human flesh was involved.
>>
>> She would have reacted to his has she still lurked, wouldn't she?
>
> Yes...
We need to RP her out of the group.
>> I am told I have an edge in annoying females. Must have something to do
>> with growing up with a younger sister (or in her case, an older
>> brother).
>
> Not necessarily. Aren't siblings supposed to help matters?
You learn to fight when you have brothers or sisters. And you learn to
manipulate your parents into taking your side.
I don't know if that is good.
>> I think it is pretty bad manners to tell someone on usenet that you are
>> depressed, and then disappear without a trace.
>
> Or tell people you are dying when you are not...
We are all dying, emmel.
We started to die, before we were even born.
>> And I have been in suicide groups on the internet (for very short
>> amounts of time because it is not really my thing to be busy with for
>> longer periods of time).
>
> I guess you can get suicidal there.
It is actually quite nice to have similar minded people talking to you
about their problems.
But governments do not like these sites because they think it costs
them votes. (or gains them votes by attacking these sites in public).
In Holland they will put lights and camera's with speakers at railroad
crossing now.
Especially near mental institutions there are a lot of 'jumpers' they
say. (and I don't blame them for wanting to jump). It is just that
other people have to clean up the mess. Not something I would be eager
to do. But so is walking back to the mental institution you are forced
to life in.
Maybe they should make life more worth living for mental patients, and
then they wouldn't think of ways to kill themselves all day long!
I mean there is depression.
But it is not just depressed people that jump in front of trains.
Really depressed people just lay in bed all day, feeling miserable. Not
jumping in front of trains.
>>>>>>> Every now and then, but I haven't updated the one on site in ages. I
>>>>>>> just can't find enough time to write. I need me-time for that. Me on my
>>>>>>> own with nothing to do for longer stretches of time.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That is the best news I heard in months!
>>>>>
>>>>> Isn't.
>>>>
>>>> Why? Would you rather have done other things with that time?
>>>
>>> I love writing.
>>
>> If you really love writing, you will find time to do so.
>
> Your eternal optimism. It's nothing I can squeeze in. It requires a
> certain mind set and I have trouble find that lately.
Talk about mindset.
I buy games for my one year old game rig, but I never play them. I
never even install them!
I used to love gaming. That all changed. That is for sure.
I keep waiting and waiting and then there are months gone without
playing any game.
I browse the web a lot. Same sites every day. All day long.
Wonder if I am addicted to 'the internet'.
I do get a good feeling from it. And I feel miserable without it.
>> And if your writing is really worth reading (which I think it is), you
>> will convince a publisher to buy your book.
>
> Actually I think my chances are very slim on that one. Even if it was
> good enough I tend to be very protective about my intellectual property
> and that doesn't sit too well with publishers, I guess.
You need to influence the right people.
If you go through the 'proper channels', your chances are indeed slim.
There is a lot of competition for these stories since the Lord of the
Rings and Harry Potter movies.
But I would read your stories, you know I have so far!
>> And your stories are very easy to write sequels for by their very
>> nature. So you will never run out of stuff to write.
>
> You think so? Their nature is actually quite closed. Or will be once I
> write the end.
I have never seen you finish a story here on AGC :-)
>>>>>>>>>> You have to start small. Like getting out of bed ::hurray::. Washing
>>>>>>>>>> yourself and getting dressed ::hurray::. Brushing your teeth before you
>>>>>>>>>> go to bed ::hurray::
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That's... depressing.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ::think a happy thought::
>>>>>>>> ::hurray!::
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Very depressing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ::rewards emmel for expressing himself::
>>>>>> ::hurray!::
>>>>>
>>>>> Oh my...
>>>>
>>>> ::asks emmel why he has such a worrying look on his face::
>>>
>>> Isn't it obvious?
>>
>> No it is not. It is not me, is it?
>
> Emphasizing such small things gives me the very distinct feeling that I
> have failed big time. As if I need a reminder of that.
I live with that feeling every single day.
Sometimes I feel despair too. But not often these days.
>>>>>>>> It seems they add a new processor instruction set every generation. And
>>>>>>>> they number these generations :-( Like SSE4.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I know.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I think 'we' don't need more instructions, we need faster instructions
>>>>>>>> and lower power usage! And larger caches!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That didn't exactly work out. Less general specialist designs easily
>>>>>>> beat the specialist ones. That was what made the Amiga so powerful back
>>>>>>> in the day and indeed what makes CUDA worthwhile.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> CUDA? Is that an amiga emulator?
>>>>>
>>>>> Nope, NVidia's parallel programming thingamajig (Hey, it's been ages
>>>>> since I used that one!) for GPUs.
>>>>
>>>> Now you have OpenCL right?
>>>
>>> Huh?
>>
>> It is not a typo.
>>
>> I first saw it on the site from apple. It being supported in Snow
>> Leopard. http://www.apple.com/de/macosx/technology/#opencl
>
> Whatever.
ATI Catalyst drivers for Windows have support for it too!
>>>>>> That was in 199x, but seems like a potential buffer overflow to me.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I just allocated and freed till I could allocate no more. Then I wrote
>>>>>> a test program to see if any data in the allocated space was mangled.
>>>>>> Which it was.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Very simple program, but too much trouble to investigate for the
>>>>>> student helper. You can see why my happiness in life took a wrong turn
>>>>>> at that point.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yeeeees. Kinda.
>>>>
>>>> But now I have time to do what I always wanted to do!
>>>> Post to usenet, update my computer and read my e-mail (if I get any).
>>>
>>> That's somehow sad. I get only spam, really.
>>
>> It is happening to me too. I wonder if it is me, that people are afraid
>> of me. I can get quite annoyed by not being replied to in certain mails.
>>
>> Some people have learned to reply to me, but they hardly send me
>> something by themselves.
>>
>> Girlfriend takes care of the lonely feeling however. I give her that. I
>> haven't felt lonely since I met her. And that is worth something.
>
> You are lucky.
I know :-) :-)
Yet I accomplish little every day. Except patching my computers and
those of my parents.
I think I am pretty secure unless I attract the attention of the TLA.
And they have no right to be inside my computer!!
>>>>>>>>>>>> But the fast parts were in assembler.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Only a few bits. And: Not portable.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Large computer games have never been portable (except Quake III maybe).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Oh, Quake I and II as well. And C3/DS...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That's all?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Alpha Centauri. There have been a few more in the good old Loki days.
>>>>>>> Not many since.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I love Alpha Centauri!
>>>>>
>>>>> Unfortunately it doesn't seem to run any more.
>>>>
>>>> Have you tried firaxis' site? They have an W2K/XP patch.
>>>
>>> And that helps with the Linux version how exactly?
>>
>> Can't you dual-boot a cracked version of windows XP?
>
> Nah, my legal Windows occupies that space...
I have installed Windows 98SE. Then Windows XP (dual boot). Then Ubuntu
(or I think I could).
Problem is that my S-ATA harddisk cannot run Windows 98SE. And I tried.
The S-ATA on my Asus motherboard will only run as RAID. And There is no
RAID floppy for Windows 98SE. If it was able to start at all :-(
My new motherboard is incompatible with Windows 98SE. If this machines
breaks down. I will have no way to play Windows 9x games any more.
>> You just don't put it on the internet (by removing the ethernet drivers
>> preferably). Just for games!
>>
>> I run Vista32, XP and Xubuntu. (And Snow Leopard).
>
> Windows 7 is quite nice, actually. But unfortunately they removed the
> Unix compat stuff from Professional.
It would be even nicer if my dad had a manual for it!
He spend hours figuring out why his programs disappeared when he moved
the mouse to the lower right corner.
The taskbar isn't the same either any more. It is different, but I
wouldn't call it better.
>>>>>> Did you know Civilization V is in the making? It will have to do until
>>>>>> they do a remake of AC!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What is 'loki'?
>>>>>
>>>>> A company porting games to Linux. Went out of business years ago.
>>>>
>>>> Publishers probably saw no future in their games running on linux.
>>>
>>> Not exactly. They just couldn't get enough money from the ports. With
>>> them being released quite some time after the windows version...
>>
>> Another problem is that the linux crowd likes to get things for free.
>> As in free beer.
>
> Not really. I mean everyone does, but there's enough commercial stuff
> for Linux.
Like Open Solaris no longer being open.
>>>>>>>>>> Though I had big trouble getting her to leave my flat yesterday. I
>>>>>>>>>> think she stayed till almost 2 am (and I was getting very tired way
>>>>>>>>>> before that).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Erm, bed? I don't quite see the problem.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No, she just watches tv till I throw her out each day.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Oh. Shame.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On the other hand, she will be making some kind of fresh fruit salad
>>>>>> today for us both. I am very curious how that will turn out.
>>>>>
>>>>> Tasty, I can only hope.
>>>>
>>>> It was very nice :-) I would never make such things just for myself.
>>>
>>> Nice? That sounds that a death sentence.
>>
>> It is actually pretty good!
>
> Should have said so. You never call anything nice when woman or cooking
> are involved.
She would get used to my flattery. What is worse, she would see through
it! And punish me in some way!
>> She is the kind of girl that will burn the meat when she cooks normal
>> food. So I normally do the cooking.
>
> Hey, I can do that.
The burning bit, or the cooking bit?
>>>>>>>> It is a good thing when you don't kill somebody.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Depends entirely on the person in question.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nah, killing is always bad because the bad spirits or the person you
>>>>>> kill will start living inside yourself.
>>>>>
>>>>> Erm...
>>>>
>>>> Ok. Call it 'karma'.
>>>
>>> Calling it differently doesn't change a thing.
>>
>> You obviously don't understand anything about politics ;-)
>> Or commerce.
>
> Maybe I just refuse to lower myself onto their turf?
> That reminds me of Babylon 5. The dialogue went something like that: We
> don't have homeless anymore on Earth. (That was the last one in three
> things, I think.) - When did that happen? - When we rewrote the
> dictionary.
> NewSpeak at its best. Now where's my DoubleSpeak Dictonary?
We have low unemployment in Holland.
What they forget is that there is a lot of 'security' related jobs that
weren't there ten years ago!!
Besides, home is where your bottle of whiskey is :-) At least I imagine
it to be like that.
>>>>>> In fact, imagine that hitler didn't get himself elected in 193x. You
>>>>>> wouldn't have such good privacy laws now in Germany as you do have now.
>>>>>> And zionists would still be without a country of their own.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sometimes bad things must happen to get a better world.
>>>>>
>>>>> Erm...
>>>>
>>>> It is a fact that without Hitler, there wouldn't be a zionist state.
>>>> The good privacy laws are probably more a result of the stasi in the
>>>> DDR.
>>>
>>> You are exaggerating.
>>
>> I probably am. But that doesn't make it untrue.
>>
>> Zionists gained greatly from the WWII.
>> I just think that most regular jews didn't. (The kind that doesn't give
>> a damn about Israel, and who just want to practice their believe in
>> JHWH without getting killed by nazi's).
>>
>> To me, Israel is a religious theme park. Even though I do believe in
>> JHWH.
>
> I think you are being to harsh. Theme park religion more fits those
> American fundamentalists.
I try not to have an opinion on Israel. But they make it very hard for
people to not have an opinion on it!
I mean, burning civilians with phosphor. Israel is the only country in
the world that can get away with that. And why? Not because of what
Hitler did to the jews I hope. That was over half a century ago!
I think all the zionists should move to Holland and give their holy
land back to the infidels. I don't know if we have room here, but they
would be welcome here from my point of view. Problem solved.
>>>>>> What if Jesus wasn't crucified? We might not have Christianity at all
>>>>>> if that didn't happen!
>>>>>
>>>>> And where's the problem exactly?
>>>>
>>>> We would be poli-religious?
>>>
>>> And?
>>
>> non-religious?
>
> And?
Pick your religion.
Fight for it's believes.
Kill the non-believers!
>>>>>>>>>>>> The BFG is the bait.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> A bait that delivers delicious nuclear doom...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> If you make it that far down the alley leading to it. With me somewhere
>>>>>>>>>> at a random angle from the entry to it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> But it has a nice fire rate. For five seconds or so...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If you camp the spawn place of the BFG, that is not a problem.
>>>>>>>> Besides, you get killed with a BFG well within 5 seconds!!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Indeed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I camped the BFG when I played on my LAN with a friend who is very much
>>>>>> addicted to Quake III. You swim under water till you go up, and then
>>>>>> there is a stair left and right. I sat somewhere waiting for him on
>>>>>> those stairs, and he just couldn't get to the BFG before I killed him.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not that we are very good players. But before I camped I kept getting
>>>>>> shot by his BFG. We had some bots too. So killing them a lot would mean
>>>>>> you won also.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bots were easy.
>>>>
>>>> I tried to ignore they were bots with known paths. Just run like crazy
>>>> to get the most kills! Dying isn't that bad if you get 100 health back
>>>> instead of the 12 you had before you met your doom.
>>>
>>> I liked sniping.
>>
>> I have a 'Headshot' t-shirt. It is a skull getting a bullet through it
>> in yellow and black. I freaked out a psychiatrist with that t-shirt.
>> But when I explained it was from FPS games, he understood.
>
> You did freak him out on purpose, didn't you?
I did actually, but I didn't expect him to actually freak out!
emmel
> On 10-8-2010 14:11, emmel wrote:
>> Thus Neo spoke:
>>
>> My paper trail is PDF...
>
> Bits and Bytes are volatile by their very nature.
> Unless you print them out on paper!
Depends on your backup medium.
>>> Not that our government has a clue a about IT btw.
>>
>> Naturally.
>
> Not that they are even trying...
Does it make a difference?
>>>>>>>> There are several books I thing that about.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It is better to have too many books, than to have nothing at all to
>>>>>>> read when you feel like it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Have. As in already bought.
>>>>>
>>>>> So how many books do you own (not related to physics).
>>>>
>>>> A hell of a lot more than physics related ones.
>>>
>>> So how many meters do you own? How much of your wall is covered with
>>> bookshelves?
>>
>> Dunno. Five? Something like that.
>
> That is a lot!
> More than I have, and I am older than you.
> I have 3m of computer games though. 3 shelves high (though there is a
> meter of DVD's too). All legal!
Not exactly my books, though. And not very high at any rate.
>>> I promise you, by the time you have been together with a girl for two
>>> years, you can't wait to be alone and on your own again.
>>
>> That's what you say.
>
> Depends on the girl I guess.
> Mine tends to talk a lot.
> About things that don't interest me (mostly about herself).
> I don't want to be rude to her, but it gets on my nerves after a while!
Oh my.
>>> True love is *very* rare. Especially these days where everybody is
>>> swamped by information and data. And where noone has any time left to
>>> think of feel.
>>
>> Yeah. But... One can hope, eh?
>
> "It is not the despair. I can handle the despair. It is the *hope* that
> is driving my crazy" - Clockwise, John Cleese as the headmaster.
I can't handle the despair.
>>> She would have reacted to his has she still lurked, wouldn't she?
>>
>> Yes...
>
> We need to RP her out of the group.
Why?
>>> I am told I have an edge in annoying females. Must have something to do
>>> with growing up with a younger sister (or in her case, an older
>>> brother).
>>
>> Not necessarily. Aren't siblings supposed to help matters?
>
> You learn to fight when you have brothers or sisters. And you learn to
> manipulate your parents into taking your side.
>
> I don't know if that is good.
Sounds as if something went terribly wrong.
>>> I think it is pretty bad manners to tell someone on usenet that you are
>>> depressed, and then disappear without a trace.
>>
>> Or tell people you are dying when you are not...
>
> We are all dying, emmel.
> We started to die, before we were even born.
Oh, great. I feel so much better now.
>>> And I have been in suicide groups on the internet (for very short
>>> amounts of time because it is not really my thing to be busy with for
>>> longer periods of time).
>>
>> I guess you can get suicidal there.
>
> It is actually quite nice to have similar minded people talking to you
> about their problems.
>
> But governments do not like these sites because they think it costs
> them votes. (or gains them votes by attacking these sites in public).
>
> In Holland they will put lights and camera's with speakers at railroad
> crossing now.
>
> Especially near mental institutions there are a lot of 'jumpers' they
> say. (and I don't blame them for wanting to jump). It is just that
> other people have to clean up the mess. Not something I would be eager
> to do. But so is walking back to the mental institution you are forced
> to life in.
>
> Maybe they should make life more worth living for mental patients, and
> then they wouldn't think of ways to kill themselves all day long!
>
> I mean there is depression.
> But it is not just depressed people that jump in front of trains.
> Really depressed people just lay in bed all day, feeling miserable. Not
> jumping in front of trains.
Yeah.
>>>>>>>> Every now and then, but I haven't updated the one on site in ages. I
>>>>>>>> just can't find enough time to write. I need me-time for that. Me on my
>>>>>>>> own with nothing to do for longer stretches of time.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That is the best news I heard in months!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Isn't.
>>>>>
>>>>> Why? Would you rather have done other things with that time?
>>>>
>>>> I love writing.
>>>
>>> If you really love writing, you will find time to do so.
>>
>> Your eternal optimism. It's nothing I can squeeze in. It requires a
>> certain mind set and I have trouble find that lately.
>
> Talk about mindset.
>
> I buy games for my one year old game rig, but I never play them. I
> never even install them!
>
> I used to love gaming. That all changed. That is for sure.
>
> I keep waiting and waiting and then there are months gone without
> playing any game.
>
> I browse the web a lot. Same sites every day. All day long.
> Wonder if I am addicted to 'the internet'.
> I do get a good feeling from it. And I feel miserable without it.
Doesn't sound very healthy. Concerning the gaming, though - I guess you
just grow out of it at some point. You may still game now and then, but
it just isn't the same.
>>> And if your writing is really worth reading (which I think it is), you
>>> will convince a publisher to buy your book.
>>
>> Actually I think my chances are very slim on that one. Even if it was
>> good enough I tend to be very protective about my intellectual property
>> and that doesn't sit too well with publishers, I guess.
>
> You need to influence the right people.
I totally suck at that.
> If you go through the 'proper channels', your chances are indeed slim.
> There is a lot of competition for these stories since the Lord of the
> Rings and Harry Potter movies.
>
> But I would read your stories, you know I have so far!
I just need to get back to writing them. Damn it.
>>> And your stories are very easy to write sequels for by their very
>>> nature. So you will never run out of stuff to write.
>>
>> You think so? Their nature is actually quite closed. Or will be once I
>> write the end.
>
> I have never seen you finish a story here on AGC :-)
That's because people stopped reacting to A and B and C aren't done yet.
>> Emphasizing such small things gives me the very distinct feeling that I
>> have failed big time. As if I need a reminder of that.
>
> I live with that feeling every single day.
> Sometimes I feel despair too. But not often these days.
I'm rather good at ignoring thing. But that only made things hit harder
once I cannot do that any longer.
>>> Girlfriend takes care of the lonely feeling however. I give her that. I
>>> haven't felt lonely since I met her. And that is worth something.
>>
>> You are lucky.
>
> I know :-) :-)
>
> Yet I accomplish little every day. Except patching my computers and
> those of my parents.
Well, I study. I get a little done.
> I think I am pretty secure unless I attract the attention of the TLA.
> And they have no right to be inside my computer!!
When did rights enter the question?
>>> Can't you dual-boot a cracked version of windows XP?
>>
>> Nah, my legal Windows occupies that space...
>
> I have installed Windows 98SE. Then Windows XP (dual boot). Then Ubuntu
> (or I think I could).
>
> Problem is that my S-ATA harddisk cannot run Windows 98SE. And I tried.
> The S-ATA on my Asus motherboard will only run as RAID. And There is no
> RAID floppy for Windows 98SE. If it was able to start at all :-(
>
> My new motherboard is incompatible with Windows 98SE. If this machines
> breaks down. I will have no way to play Windows 9x games any more.
Linux and WINE. You'd be amazed how good that works. More often than not
better than trying to coax later Windows versions into cooperation.
>>> You just don't put it on the internet (by removing the ethernet drivers
>>> preferably). Just for games!
>>>
>>> I run Vista32, XP and Xubuntu. (And Snow Leopard).
>>
>> Windows 7 is quite nice, actually. But unfortunately they removed the
>> Unix compat stuff from Professional.
>
> It would be even nicer if my dad had a manual for it!
>
> He spend hours figuring out why his programs disappeared when he moved
> the mouse to the lower right corner.
>
> The taskbar isn't the same either any more. It is different, but I
> wouldn't call it better.
::shrugs::
I think they did good.
>>> Another problem is that the linux crowd likes to get things for free.
>>> As in free beer.
>>
>> Not really. I mean everyone does, but there's enough commercial stuff
>> for Linux.
>
> Like Open Solaris no longer being open.
Freedom includes running the applications you want to run. Including
non-free commercial ones. That doesn't invalidate your freedom.
>> Should have said so. You never call anything nice when woman or cooking
>> are involved.
>
> She would get used to my flattery. What is worse, she would see through
> it! And punish me in some way!
Saying something is good when it is isn't flattery.
>>> She is the kind of girl that will burn the meat when she cooks normal
>>> food. So I normally do the cooking.
>>
>> Hey, I can do that.
>
> The burning bit, or the cooking bit?
The former. A little of the latter.
>> Maybe I just refuse to lower myself onto their turf?
>> That reminds me of Babylon 5. The dialogue went something like that: We
>> don't have homeless anymore on Earth. (That was the last one in three
>> things, I think.) - When did that happen? - When we rewrote the
>> dictionary.
>> NewSpeak at its best. Now where's my DoubleSpeak Dictonary?
>
> We have low unemployment in Holland.
> What they forget is that there is a lot of 'security' related jobs that
> weren't there ten years ago!!
>
> Besides, home is where your bottle of whiskey is :-) At least I imagine
> it to be like that.
Who cares for whiskey?
>>> To me, Israel is a religious theme park. Even though I do believe in
>>> JHWH.
>>
>> I think you are being to harsh. Theme park religion more fits those
>> American fundamentalists.
>
> I try not to have an opinion on Israel. But they make it very hard for
> people to not have an opinion on it!
>
> I mean, burning civilians with phosphor. Israel is the only country in
> the world that can get away with that. And why? Not because of what
> Hitler did to the jews I hope. That was over half a century ago!
>
> I think all the zionists should move to Holland and give their holy
> land back to the infidels. I don't know if we have room here, but they
> would be welcome here from my point of view. Problem solved.
It would be the same, only different.
>>>>>>> What if Jesus wasn't crucified? We might not have Christianity at all
>>>>>>> if that didn't happen!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And where's the problem exactly?
>>>>>
>>>>> We would be poli-religious?
>>>>
>>>> And?
>>>
>>> non-religious?
>>
>> And?
>
> Pick your religion.
> Fight for it's believes.
> Kill the non-believers!
Stop that nonsense?
>>> I have a 'Headshot' t-shirt. It is a skull getting a bullet through it
>>> in yellow and black. I freaked out a psychiatrist with that t-shirt.
>>> But when I explained it was from FPS games, he understood.
>>
>> You did freak him out on purpose, didn't you?
>
> I did actually, but I didn't expect him to actually freak out!
Suuuure.
Neo
> Thus Neo spoke:
>
>> On 10-8-2010 14:11, emmel wrote:
>>> Thus Neo spoke:
>>>
>>> My paper trail is PDF...
>>
>> Bits and Bytes are volatile by their very nature.
>> Unless you print them out on paper!
>
> Depends on your backup medium.
It won't all fit in your brain emmel.
And computers do break down in the worst possible way! (like the power
supply taking out everything including the motherboard and your hard
disk).
>>>> Not that our government has a clue a about IT btw.
>>>
>>> Naturally.
>>
>> Not that they are even trying...
>
> Does it make a difference?
It does. Because by not trying they demonstrate that they don't have a
clue (or care) about not having a clue.
That combined with power (invested by the voters) is a very dangerous
combination.
Like Obama with a red button to take out part or the whole of the
internet!
Humanity was safer when it was just nukes pointed at socialist
countries!
>>>>>>>>> There are several books I thing that about.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It is better to have too many books, than to have nothing at all to
>>>>>>>> read when you feel like it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Have. As in already bought.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So how many books do you own (not related to physics).
>>>>>
>>>>> A hell of a lot more than physics related ones.
>>>>
>>>> So how many meters do you own? How much of your wall is covered with
>>>> bookshelves?
>>>
>>> Dunno. Five? Something like that.
>>
>> That is a lot!
>> More than I have, and I am older than you.
>> I have 3m of computer games though. 3 shelves high (though there is a
>> meter of DVD's too). All legal!
>
> Not exactly my books, though. And not very high at any rate.
I bet you've read them all then :-(
>>>> I promise you, by the time you have been together with a girl for two
>>>> years, you can't wait to be alone and on your own again.
>>>
>>> That's what you say.
>>
>> Depends on the girl I guess.
>> Mine tends to talk a lot.
>> About things that don't interest me (mostly about herself).
>> I don't want to be rude to her, but it gets on my nerves after a while!
>
> Oh my.
Don't all girls talk a lot? I think they do. And when they don't I
start to worry.
>>>> True love is *very* rare. Especially these days where everybody is
>>>> swamped by information and data. And where noone has any time left to
>>>> think of feel.
>>>
>>> Yeah. But... One can hope, eh?
>>
>> "It is not the despair. I can handle the despair. It is the *hope* that
>> is driving my crazy" - Clockwise, John Cleese as the headmaster.
>
> I can't handle the despair.
You are doing fine so far!
>>>> She would have reacted to his has she still lurked, wouldn't she?
>>>
>>> Yes...
>>
>> We need to RP her out of the group.
>
> Why?
To punish her? Because we can? To cover up our failure in keeping her
here? Because we RP-ed BWIGLEY out of the group also? (though he can
get back in if he kills some sheep).
We do spend a lot of bytes on someone who is no longer here. That
cannot be a good thing.
I say we think about it, and RP her out next time someone mentions her.
>>>> I am told I have an edge in annoying females. Must have something to do
>>>> with growing up with a younger sister (or in her case, an older
>>>> brother).
>>>
>>> Not necessarily. Aren't siblings supposed to help matters?
>>
>> You learn to fight when you have brothers or sisters. And you learn to
>> manipulate your parents into taking your side.
>>
>> I don't know if that is good.
>
> Sounds as if something went terribly wrong.
I disagree.
Siblings are supposed to fight.
And then laugh about it when they are older (if they remember).
Prepares them for society. Gives them skills they need in real life.
>>>> I think it is pretty bad manners to tell someone on usenet that you are
>>>> depressed, and then disappear without a trace.
>>>
>>> Or tell people you are dying when you are not...
>>
>> We are all dying, emmel.
>> We started to die, before we were even born.
>
> Oh, great. I feel so much better now.
In self-defence sports, they say you have to accept defeat beforehand.
And then make the best of your fight.
At least that is what I say. Some people might say the exact opposite!
>>>>>>>>> Every now and then, but I haven't updated the one on site in ages. I
>>>>>>>>> just can't find enough time to write. I need me-time for that. Me on my
>>>>>>>>> own with nothing to do for longer stretches of time.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That is the best news I heard in months!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Isn't.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why? Would you rather have done other things with that time?
>>>>>
>>>>> I love writing.
>>>>
>>>> If you really love writing, you will find time to do so.
>>>
>>> Your eternal optimism. It's nothing I can squeeze in. It requires a
>>> certain mind set and I have trouble find that lately.
>>
>> Talk about mindset.
>>
>> I buy games for my one year old game rig, but I never play them. I
>> never even install them!
>>
>> I used to love gaming. That all changed. That is for sure.
>>
>> I keep waiting and waiting and then there are months gone without
>> playing any game.
>>
>> I browse the web a lot. Same sites every day. All day long.
>> Wonder if I am addicted to 'the internet'.
>> I do get a good feeling from it. And I feel miserable without it.
>
> Doesn't sound very healthy. Concerning the gaming, though - I guess you
> just grow out of it at some point. You may still game now and then, but
> it just isn't the same.
I hope not, because being a gamer is part of my identity.
It is just that I am done with 'multiplayer' and 'online
achievements'. And a lot of new games are all about that.
>>>> And if your writing is really worth reading (which I think it is), you
>>>> will convince a publisher to buy your book.
>>>
>>> Actually I think my chances are very slim on that one. Even if it was
>>> good enough I tend to be very protective about my intellectual property
>>> and that doesn't sit too well with publishers, I guess.
>>
>> You need to influence the right people.
>
> I totally suck at that.
The thing is making it look like you are not trying to influence them!
>> If you go through the 'proper channels', your chances are indeed slim.
>> There is a lot of competition for these stories since the Lord of the
>> Rings and Harry Potter movies.
>>
>> But I would read your stories, you know I have so far!
>
> I just need to get back to writing them. Damn it.
Indeed.
Though maybe you want to publish them outside AGC too. Because right
now it is only me and you keeping JNCOBOY alive!
>>>> And your stories are very easy to write sequels for by their very
>>>> nature. So you will never run out of stuff to write.
>>>
>>> You think so? Their nature is actually quite closed. Or will be once I
>>> write the end.
>>
>> I have never seen you finish a story here on AGC :-)
>
> That's because people stopped reacting to A and B and C aren't done yet.
I never stopped reacting!
>>> Emphasizing such small things gives me the very distinct feeling that I
>>> have failed big time. As if I need a reminder of that.
>>
>> I live with that feeling every single day.
>> Sometimes I feel despair too. But not often these days.
>
> I'm rather good at ignoring thing. But that only made things hit harder
> once I cannot do that any longer.
Feelings always get less and less intense with time.
So all you have to do is wait. And you will get over it.
I had quite a pain in my heart some 15 years ago. But some time ago I
could deal with it. And now it seems like a distant memory. I even have
a gf! But I won't let her step on my heart. That might be kind of sad
but I have to protect myself.
>>>> Girlfriend takes care of the lonely feeling however. I give her that. I
>>>> haven't felt lonely since I met her. And that is worth something.
>>>
>>> You are lucky.
>>
>> I know :-) :-)
>>
>> Yet I accomplish little every day. Except patching my computers and
>> those of my parents.
>
> Well, I study. I get a little done.
What do you study? Something without math I hope!
>> I think I am pretty secure unless I attract the attention of the TLA.
>> And they have no right to be inside my computer!!
>
> When did rights enter the question?
'There is no right way, there is only our way'.
'If you don't like that, you get radioactive tea'.
See something wrong with that?
>>>> Can't you dual-boot a cracked version of windows XP?
>>>
>>> Nah, my legal Windows occupies that space...
>>
>> I have installed Windows 98SE. Then Windows XP (dual boot). Then Ubuntu
>> (or I think I could).
>>
>> Problem is that my S-ATA harddisk cannot run Windows 98SE. And I tried.
>> The S-ATA on my Asus motherboard will only run as RAID. And There is no
>> RAID floppy for Windows 98SE. If it was able to start at all :-(
>>
>> My new motherboard is incompatible with Windows 98SE. If this machines
>> breaks down. I will have no way to play Windows 9x games any more.
>
> Linux and WINE. You'd be amazed how good that works. More often than not
> better than trying to coax later Windows versions into cooperation.
That is a great idea!
Because Windows XP isn't always compatible with Windows 98SE.
>>>> Another problem is that the linux crowd likes to get things for free.
>>>> As in free beer.
>>>
>>> Not really. I mean everyone does, but there's enough commercial stuff
>>> for Linux.
>>
>> Like Open Solaris no longer being open.
>
> Freedom includes running the applications you want to run. Including
> non-free commercial ones. That doesn't invalidate your freedom.
You lose your freedom to run Open Solaris, when no-one is writing
patches and new drivers for it any more.
Besides, I have a feeling they will be canning the non-Open Solaris
soon also. Right after they are done with destroying what is now left
of Java.
Not sure why this is happening, but you have to be a madman to
understand the mind of a CEO! (assuming they have one).
>>> Should have said so. You never call anything nice when woman or cooking
>>> are involved.
>>
>> She would get used to my flattery. What is worse, she would see through
>> it! And punish me in some way!
>
> Saying something is good when it is isn't flattery.
I try to never lie, because then I would have to remember all my lies.
Sometimes I joke or be sarcastic. That is not lying!
>>>> She is the kind of girl that will burn the meat when she cooks normal
>>>> food. So I normally do the cooking.
>>>
>>> Hey, I can do that.
>>
>> The burning bit, or the cooking bit?
>
> The former. A little of the latter.
Best way to learn how to cook, is making lots of mistakes when you are
learning! And to remember when a dish turns out right!!
I burned eggs when I was very young. Now I make complex dishes like
spaghetti with instant sauce!
>>> Maybe I just refuse to lower myself onto their turf?
>>> That reminds me of Babylon 5. The dialogue went something like that: We
>>> don't have homeless anymore on Earth. (That was the last one in three
>>> things, I think.) - When did that happen? - When we rewrote the
>>> dictionary.
>>> NewSpeak at its best. Now where's my DoubleSpeak Dictonary?
>>
>> We have low unemployment in Holland.
>> What they forget is that there is a lot of 'security' related jobs that
>> weren't there ten years ago!!
>>
>> Besides, home is where your bottle of whiskey is :-) At least I imagine
>> it to be like that.
>
> Who cares for whiskey?
Homeless people do. Because it makes them forget.
>>>> To me, Israel is a religious theme park. Even though I do believe in
>>>> JHWH.
>>>
>>> I think you are being to harsh. Theme park religion more fits those
>>> American fundamentalists.
>>
>> I try not to have an opinion on Israel. But they make it very hard for
>> people to not have an opinion on it!
>>
>> I mean, burning civilians with phosphor. Israel is the only country in
>> the world that can get away with that. And why? Not because of what
>> Hitler did to the jews I hope. That was over half a century ago!
>>
>> I think all the zionists should move to Holland and give their holy
>> land back to the infidels. I don't know if we have room here, but they
>> would be welcome here from my point of view. Problem solved.
>
> It would be the same, only different.
You are right!
Those zionists would probably put a huge wall around Holland the moment
they got in power! Or maybe make insane demands before you are allowed
to get onto a plane.
It is not worth it to me. Let them stay in Israel and turn it in to a
fascist police state!
>>>>>>>> What if Jesus wasn't crucified? We might not have Christianity at all
>>>>>>>> if that didn't happen!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And where's the problem exactly?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We would be poli-religious?
>>>>>
>>>>> And?
>>>>
>>>> non-religious?
>>>
>>> And?
>>
>> Pick your religion.
>> Fight for it's believes.
>> Kill the non-believers!
>
> Stop that nonsense?
That was just a basic plot for any Turn-Based-Strategy game!
>>>> I have a 'Headshot' t-shirt. It is a skull getting a bullet through it
>>>> in yellow and black. I freaked out a psychiatrist with that t-shirt.
>>>> But when I explained it was from FPS games, he understood.
>>>
>>> You did freak him out on purpose, didn't you?
>>
>> I did actually, but I didn't expect him to actually freak out!
>
> Suuuure.
Not that much btw. I thought he would 'think' it but not actually
mention it.
emmel
> On 28-8-2010 10:21, emmel wrote:
>> Thus Neo spoke:
>>
>>> On 10-8-2010 14:11, emmel wrote:
>>>> Thus Neo spoke:
>>>>
>>>> My paper trail is PDF...
>>>
>>> Bits and Bytes are volatile by their very nature.
>>> Unless you print them out on paper!
>>
>> Depends on your backup medium.
>
> It won't all fit in your brain emmel.
Who knows...
> And computers do break down in the worst possible way! (like the power
> supply taking out everything including the motherboard and your hard
> disk).
That's where back ups come in handy.
>>>>> Not that our government has a clue a about IT btw.
>>>>
>>>> Naturally.
>>>
>>> Not that they are even trying...
>>
>> Does it make a difference?
>
> It does. Because by not trying they demonstrate that they don't have a
> clue (or care) about not having a clue.
>
> That combined with power (invested by the voters) is a very dangerous
> combination.
>
> Like Obama with a red button to take out part or the whole of the
> internet!
>
> Humanity was safer when it was just nukes pointed at socialist
> countries!
Yeah, sure, whatever. Because Global Thermonuclear War is so much
better.
>>>>>>>>>> There are several books I thing that about.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It is better to have too many books, than to have nothing at all to
>>>>>>>>> read when you feel like it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Have. As in already bought.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So how many books do you own (not related to physics).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A hell of a lot more than physics related ones.
>>>>>
>>>>> So how many meters do you own? How much of your wall is covered with
>>>>> bookshelves?
>>>>
>>>> Dunno. Five? Something like that.
>>>
>>> That is a lot!
>>> More than I have, and I am older than you.
>>> I have 3m of computer games though. 3 shelves high (though there is a
>>> meter of DVD's too). All legal!
>>
>> Not exactly my books, though. And not very high at any rate.
>
> I bet you've read them all then :-(
I'm not sure. I think there might be a few I have not.
>>>>> I promise you, by the time you have been together with a girl for two
>>>>> years, you can't wait to be alone and on your own again.
>>>>
>>>> That's what you say.
>>>
>>> Depends on the girl I guess.
>>> Mine tends to talk a lot.
>>> About things that don't interest me (mostly about herself).
>>> I don't want to be rude to her, but it gets on my nerves after a while!
>>
>> Oh my.
>
> Don't all girls talk a lot? I think they do. And when they don't I
> start to worry.
I don't know. I don't even know if I'll ever find out.
>>>>> True love is *very* rare. Especially these days where everybody is
>>>>> swamped by information and data. And where noone has any time left to
>>>>> think of feel.
>>>>
>>>> Yeah. But... One can hope, eh?
>>>
>>> "It is not the despair. I can handle the despair. It is the *hope* that
>>> is driving my crazy" - Clockwise, John Cleese as the headmaster.
>>
>> I can't handle the despair.
>
> You are doing fine so far!
Not at all.
>>>>> She would have reacted to his has she still lurked, wouldn't she?
>>>>
>>>> Yes...
>>>
>>> We need to RP her out of the group.
>>
>> Why?
>
> To punish her? Because we can? To cover up our failure in keeping her
> here? Because we RP-ed BWIGLEY out of the group also? (though he can
> get back in if he kills some sheep).
>
> We do spend a lot of bytes on someone who is no longer here. That
> cannot be a good thing.
I miss her.
> I say we think about it, and RP her out next time someone mentions her.
Who? Face it, there's nobody left here. Not even me, really.
>>>>> I am told I have an edge in annoying females. Must have something to do
>>>>> with growing up with a younger sister (or in her case, an older
>>>>> brother).
>>>>
>>>> Not necessarily. Aren't siblings supposed to help matters?
>>>
>>> You learn to fight when you have brothers or sisters. And you learn to
>>> manipulate your parents into taking your side.
>>>
>>> I don't know if that is good.
>>
>> Sounds as if something went terribly wrong.
>
> I disagree.
> Siblings are supposed to fight.
> And then laugh about it when they are older (if they remember).
>
> Prepares them for society. Gives them skills they need in real life.
Screw society.
>>>>> I think it is pretty bad manners to tell someone on usenet that you are
>>>>> depressed, and then disappear without a trace.
>>>>
>>>> Or tell people you are dying when you are not...
>>>
>>> We are all dying, emmel.
>>> We started to die, before we were even born.
>>
>> Oh, great. I feel so much better now.
>
> In self-defence sports, they say you have to accept defeat beforehand.
> And then make the best of your fight.
>
> At least that is what I say. Some people might say the exact opposite!
Sports... I think I *have* heard that word before.
I think I like non-computer games best...
>>>>> And if your writing is really worth reading (which I think it is), you
>>>>> will convince a publisher to buy your book.
>>>>
>>>> Actually I think my chances are very slim on that one. Even if it was
>>>> good enough I tend to be very protective about my intellectual property
>>>> and that doesn't sit too well with publishers, I guess.
>>>
>>> You need to influence the right people.
>>
>> I totally suck at that.
>
> The thing is making it look like you are not trying to influence them!
Fat chance. I'm totally inept at that. I can't even talk myself into
things.
>>> If you go through the 'proper channels', your chances are indeed slim.
>>> There is a lot of competition for these stories since the Lord of the
>>> Rings and Harry Potter movies.
>>>
>>> But I would read your stories, you know I have so far!
>>
>> I just need to get back to writing them. Damn it.
>
> Indeed.
>
> Though maybe you want to publish them outside AGC too. Because right
> now it is only me and you keeping JNCOBOY alive!
I have this blog...
::points at sig::
...that totally needs updating.
>>>>> And your stories are very easy to write sequels for by their very
>>>>> nature. So you will never run out of stuff to write.
>>>>
>>>> You think so? Their nature is actually quite closed. Or will be once I
>>>> write the end.
>>>
>>> I have never seen you finish a story here on AGC :-)
>>
>> That's because people stopped reacting to A and B and C aren't done yet.
>
> I never stopped reacting!
Before that.
>>>> Emphasizing such small things gives me the very distinct feeling that I
>>>> have failed big time. As if I need a reminder of that.
>>>
>>> I live with that feeling every single day.
>>> Sometimes I feel despair too. But not often these days.
>>
>> I'm rather good at ignoring thing. But that only made things hit harder
>> once I cannot do that any longer.
>
> Feelings always get less and less intense with time.
> So all you have to do is wait. And you will get over it.
>
> I had quite a pain in my heart some 15 years ago. But some time ago I
> could deal with it. And now it seems like a distant memory. I even have
> a gf! But I won't let her step on my heart. That might be kind of sad
> but I have to protect myself.
Nobody even wants to step on my heart.
>>>>> Girlfriend takes care of the lonely feeling however. I give her that. I
>>>>> haven't felt lonely since I met her. And that is worth something.
>>>>
>>>> You are lucky.
>>>
>>> I know :-) :-)
>>>
>>> Yet I accomplish little every day. Except patching my computers and
>>> those of my parents.
>>
>> Well, I study. I get a little done.
>
> What do you study? Something without math I hope!
Definitely not without math... And I even like the math.
>>> I think I am pretty secure unless I attract the attention of the TLA.
>>> And they have no right to be inside my computer!!
>>
>> When did rights enter the question?
>
> 'There is no right way, there is only our way'.
> 'If you don't like that, you get radioactive tea'.
> See something wrong with that?
Not at all. I like plutonium in my tea. Two spoons please.
>>>>> Can't you dual-boot a cracked version of windows XP?
>>>>
>>>> Nah, my legal Windows occupies that space...
>>>
>>> I have installed Windows 98SE. Then Windows XP (dual boot). Then Ubuntu
>>> (or I think I could).
>>>
>>> Problem is that my S-ATA harddisk cannot run Windows 98SE. And I tried.
>>> The S-ATA on my Asus motherboard will only run as RAID. And There is no
>>> RAID floppy for Windows 98SE. If it was able to start at all :-(
>>>
>>> My new motherboard is incompatible with Windows 98SE. If this machines
>>> breaks down. I will have no way to play Windows 9x games any more.
>>
>> Linux and WINE. You'd be amazed how good that works. More often than not
>> better than trying to coax later Windows versions into cooperation.
>
> That is a great idea!
> Because Windows XP isn't always compatible with Windows 98SE.
I know. I suggested it.
>>>>> Another problem is that the linux crowd likes to get things for free.
>>>>> As in free beer.
>>>>
>>>> Not really. I mean everyone does, but there's enough commercial stuff
>>>> for Linux.
>>>
>>> Like Open Solaris no longer being open.
>>
>> Freedom includes running the applications you want to run. Including
>> non-free commercial ones. That doesn't invalidate your freedom.
>
> You lose your freedom to run Open Solaris, when no-one is writing
> patches and new drivers for it any more.
Who cares about Solaris anyway?
> Besides, I have a feeling they will be canning the non-Open Solaris
> soon also. Right after they are done with destroying what is now left
> of Java.
Not much of that.
> Not sure why this is happening, but you have to be a madman to
> understand the mind of a CEO! (assuming they have one).
Well, they *did* buy themselves hardware shop for their database
management systems and MySQL. It *does* make sense.
>>>> Should have said so. You never call anything nice when woman or cooking
>>>> are involved.
>>>
>>> She would get used to my flattery. What is worse, she would see through
>>> it! And punish me in some way!
>>
>> Saying something is good when it is isn't flattery.
>
> I try to never lie, because then I would have to remember all my lies.
> Sometimes I joke or be sarcastic. That is not lying!
But then I'd have to tell the truth...
>>>>> She is the kind of girl that will burn the meat when she cooks normal
>>>>> food. So I normally do the cooking.
>>>>
>>>> Hey, I can do that.
>>>
>>> The burning bit, or the cooking bit?
>>
>> The former. A little of the latter.
>
> Best way to learn how to cook, is making lots of mistakes when you are
> learning! And to remember when a dish turns out right!!
>
> I burned eggs when I was very young. Now I make complex dishes like
> spaghetti with instant sauce!
Erm, yes...
>>>> Maybe I just refuse to lower myself onto their turf?
>>>> That reminds me of Babylon 5. The dialogue went something like that: We
>>>> don't have homeless anymore on Earth. (That was the last one in three
>>>> things, I think.) - When did that happen? - When we rewrote the
>>>> dictionary.
>>>> NewSpeak at its best. Now where's my DoubleSpeak Dictonary?
>>>
>>> We have low unemployment in Holland.
>>> What they forget is that there is a lot of 'security' related jobs that
>>> weren't there ten years ago!!
>>>
>>> Besides, home is where your bottle of whiskey is :-) At least I imagine
>>> it to be like that.
>>
>> Who cares for whiskey?
>
> Homeless people do. Because it makes them forget.
And dead.
>>>>> To me, Israel is a religious theme park. Even though I do believe in
>>>>> JHWH.
>>>>
>>>> I think you are being to harsh. Theme park religion more fits those
>>>> American fundamentalists.
>>>
>>> I try not to have an opinion on Israel. But they make it very hard for
>>> people to not have an opinion on it!
>>>
>>> I mean, burning civilians with phosphor. Israel is the only country in
>>> the world that can get away with that. And why? Not because of what
>>> Hitler did to the jews I hope. That was over half a century ago!
>>>
>>> I think all the zionists should move to Holland and give their holy
>>> land back to the infidels. I don't know if we have room here, but they
>>> would be welcome here from my point of view. Problem solved.
>>
>> It would be the same, only different.
>
> You are right!
>
> Those zionists would probably put a huge wall around Holland the moment
> they got in power! Or maybe make insane demands before you are allowed
> to get onto a plane.
>
> It is not worth it to me. Let them stay in Israel and turn it in to a
> fascist police state!
I hate zealots. I hate zealots that use religion to justify their wants
even more.
>>>>>>>>> What if Jesus wasn't crucified? We might not have Christianity at all
>>>>>>>>> if that didn't happen!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And where's the problem exactly?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We would be poli-religious?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And?
>>>>>
>>>>> non-religious?
>>>>
>>>> And?
>>>
>>> Pick your religion.
>>> Fight for it's believes.
>>> Kill the non-believers!
>>
>> Stop that nonsense?
>
> That was just a basic plot for any Turn-Based-Strategy game!
Oh, come on. There have to be others/
>>>>> I have a 'Headshot' t-shirt. It is a skull getting a bullet through it
>>>>> in yellow and black. I freaked out a psychiatrist with that t-shirt.
>>>>> But when I explained it was from FPS games, he understood.
>>>>
>>>> You did freak him out on purpose, didn't you?
>>>
>>> I did actually, but I didn't expect him to actually freak out!
>>
>> Suuuure.
>
> Not that much btw. I thought he would 'think' it but not actually
> mention it.
Well, then you probably underestimated the kind of fear people in the
know can experience. Think about it.
Neo
> Thus Neo spoke:
>
>> On 28-8-2010 10:21, emmel wrote:
>>> Thus Neo spoke:
>>>
>>>> On 10-8-2010 14:11, emmel wrote:
>>>>> Thus Neo spoke:
>>>>>
>>>>> My paper trail is PDF...
>>>>
>>>> Bits and Bytes are volatile by their very nature.
>>>> Unless you print them out on paper!
>>>
>>> Depends on your backup medium.
>>
>> It won't all fit in your brain emmel.
>
> Who knows...
Not unless you have a brain the size of a small galaxy.
>> And computers do break down in the worst possible way! (like the power
>> supply taking out everything including the motherboard and your hard
>> disk).
>
> That's where back ups come in handy.
Bit rot.
>>>>>> Not that our government has a clue a about IT btw.
>>>>>
>>>>> Naturally.
>>>>
>>>> Not that they are even trying...
>>>
>>> Does it make a difference?
>>
>> It does. Because by not trying they demonstrate that they don't have a
>> clue (or care) about not having a clue.
>>
>> That combined with power (invested by the voters) is a very dangerous
>> combination.
>>
>> Like Obama with a red button to take out part or the whole of the
>> internet!
>>
>> Humanity was safer when it was just nukes pointed at socialist
>> countries!
>
> Yeah, sure, whatever. Because Global Thermonuclear War is so much
> better.
At least you die quickly if you are near anything of military value.
>>>>>>>>>>> There are several books I thing that about.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It is better to have too many books, than to have nothing at all to
>>>>>>>>>> read when you feel like it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Have. As in already bought.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So how many books do you own (not related to physics).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A hell of a lot more than physics related ones.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So how many meters do you own? How much of your wall is covered with
>>>>>> bookshelves?
>>>>>
>>>>> Dunno. Five? Something like that.
>>>>
>>>> That is a lot!
>>>> More than I have, and I am older than you.
>>>> I have 3m of computer games though. 3 shelves high (though there is a
>>>> meter of DVD's too). All legal!
>>>
>>> Not exactly my books, though. And not very high at any rate.
>>
>> I bet you've read them all then :-(
>
> I'm not sure. I think there might be a few I have not.
You think those books would be fun to read?
>>>>>> I promise you, by the time you have been together with a girl for two
>>>>>> years, you can't wait to be alone and on your own again.
>>>>>
>>>>> That's what you say.
>>>>
>>>> Depends on the girl I guess.
>>>> Mine tends to talk a lot.
>>>> About things that don't interest me (mostly about herself).
>>>> I don't want to be rude to her, but it gets on my nerves after a while!
>>>
>>> Oh my.
>>
>> Don't all girls talk a lot? I think they do. And when they don't I
>> start to worry.
>
> I don't know. I don't even know if I'll ever find out.
"Don't let it bring you down,
it's only castles burning,
just find someone who is turning,
and you will come around".
Lyrics from Neil Young.
>>>>>> True love is *very* rare. Especially these days where everybody is
>>>>>> swamped by information and data. And where noone has any time left to
>>>>>> think of feel.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yeah. But... One can hope, eh?
>>>>
>>>> "It is not the despair. I can handle the despair. It is the *hope* that
>>>> is driving my crazy" - Clockwise, John Cleese as the headmaster.
>>>
>>> I can't handle the despair.
>>
>> You are doing fine so far!
>
> Not at all.
You seem to be doing fine so far!
>>>>>> She would have reacted to his has she still lurked, wouldn't she?
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes...
>>>>
>>>> We need to RP her out of the group.
>>>
>>> Why?
>>
>> To punish her? Because we can? To cover up our failure in keeping her
>> here? Because we RP-ed BWIGLEY out of the group also? (though he can
>> get back in if he kills some sheep).
>>
>> We do spend a lot of bytes on someone who is no longer here. That
>> cannot be a good thing.
>
> I miss her.
Dragons can protect. Dragons are strong. Dragons are wise. Dragons give
good advice.
>> I say we think about it, and RP her out next time someone mentions her.
>
> Who? Face it, there's nobody left here. Not even me, really.
But you came back!
>>>>>> I think it is pretty bad manners to tell someone on usenet that you are
>>>>>> depressed, and then disappear without a trace.
>>>>>
>>>>> Or tell people you are dying when you are not...
>>>>
>>>> We are all dying, emmel.
>>>> We started to die, before we were even born.
>>>
>>> Oh, great. I feel so much better now.
>>
>> In self-defence sports, they say you have to accept defeat beforehand.
>> And then make the best of your fight.
>>
>> At least that is what I say. Some people might say the exact opposite!
>
> Sports... I think I *have* heard that word before.
There are sports that have mixed teams of girls and boys in them.
There are sports that almost exclusively have girls in them (horse
back riding).
It is easy to meet girls if you can afford the contribution of a sports
club.
But they are REAL!
Or are you talking about Warhammer 40K?
>>>>>> And if your writing is really worth reading (which I think it is), you
>>>>>> will convince a publisher to buy your book.
>>>>>
>>>>> Actually I think my chances are very slim on that one. Even if it was
>>>>> good enough I tend to be very protective about my intellectual property
>>>>> and that doesn't sit too well with publishers, I guess.
>>>>
>>>> You need to influence the right people.
>>>
>>> I totally suck at that.
>>
>> The thing is making it look like you are not trying to influence them!
>
> Fat chance. I'm totally inept at that. I can't even talk myself into
> things.
That is because you are depressed.
And you know why you are depressed, because that is the only thing on
your mind these days.
>>>> If you go through the 'proper channels', your chances are indeed slim.
>>>> There is a lot of competition for these stories since the Lord of the
>>>> Rings and Harry Potter movies.
>>>>
>>>> But I would read your stories, you know I have so far!
>>>
>>> I just need to get back to writing them. Damn it.
>>
>> Indeed.
>>
>> Though maybe you want to publish them outside AGC too. Because right
>> now it is only me and you keeping JNCOBOY alive!
>
> I have this blog...
> ::points at sig::
> ...that totally needs updating.
I like usenet better.
And a blog is useless if it doesn't get indexed and linked to.
>>>>>> And your stories are very easy to write sequels for by their very
>>>>>> nature. So you will never run out of stuff to write.
>>>>>
>>>>> You think so? Their nature is actually quite closed. Or will be once I
>>>>> write the end.
>>>>
>>>> I have never seen you finish a story here on AGC :-)
>>>
>>> That's because people stopped reacting to A and B and C aren't done yet.
>>
>> I never stopped reacting!
>
> Before that.
Ah, temporal gaps.
>>>>> Emphasizing such small things gives me the very distinct feeling that I
>>>>> have failed big time. As if I need a reminder of that.
>>>>
>>>> I live with that feeling every single day.
>>>> Sometimes I feel despair too. But not often these days.
>>>
>>> I'm rather good at ignoring thing. But that only made things hit harder
>>> once I cannot do that any longer.
>>
>> Feelings always get less and less intense with time.
>> So all you have to do is wait. And you will get over it.
>>
>> I had quite a pain in my heart some 15 years ago. But some time ago I
>> could deal with it. And now it seems like a distant memory. I even have
>> a gf! But I won't let her step on my heart. That might be kind of sad
>> but I have to protect myself.
>
> Nobody even wants to step on my heart.
It either turns you into a cynic, or you get crushed by it.
It is an experience you can skip. Believe me.
>>>>>> Girlfriend takes care of the lonely feeling however. I give her that. I
>>>>>> haven't felt lonely since I met her. And that is worth something.
>>>>>
>>>>> You are lucky.
>>>>
>>>> I know :-) :-)
>>>>
>>>> Yet I accomplish little every day. Except patching my computers and
>>>> those of my parents.
>>>
>>> Well, I study. I get a little done.
>>
>> What do you study? Something without math I hope!
>
> Definitely not without math... And I even like the math.
Maybe you need math that is easier to understand.
Like math with Discrete Natural Numbers. I always thought that was
great.
>>>> I think I am pretty secure unless I attract the attention of the TLA.
>>>> And they have no right to be inside my computer!!
>>>
>>> When did rights enter the question?
>>
>> 'There is no right way, there is only our way'.
>> 'If you don't like that, you get radioactive tea'.
>> See something wrong with that?
>
> Not at all. I like plutonium in my tea. Two spoons please.
If your spoon is made of plutonium, what is your cup made of?!
>>>>>> Another problem is that the linux crowd likes to get things for free.
>>>>>> As in free beer.
>>>>>
>>>>> Not really. I mean everyone does, but there's enough commercial stuff
>>>>> for Linux.
>>>>
>>>> Like Open Solaris no longer being open.
>>>
>>> Freedom includes running the applications you want to run. Including
>>> non-free commercial ones. That doesn't invalidate your freedom.
>>
>> You lose your freedom to run Open Solaris, when no-one is writing
>> patches and new drivers for it any more.
>
> Who cares about Solaris anyway?
We used that at the university. Students called it 'Slowaris'.
>> Not sure why this is happening, but you have to be a madman to
>> understand the mind of a CEO! (assuming they have one).
>
> Well, they *did* buy themselves hardware shop for their database
> management systems and MySQL. It *does* make sense.
Nothing big corporations do makes any sense to me. It is all
egotistical pursuit of extremely large sums of money. By making random
decisions based on nothing.
>>>>> Should have said so. You never call anything nice when woman or cooking
>>>>> are involved.
>>>>
>>>> She would get used to my flattery. What is worse, she would see through
>>>> it! And punish me in some way!
>>>
>>> Saying something is good when it is isn't flattery.
>>
>> I try to never lie, because then I would have to remember all my lies.
>> Sometimes I joke or be sarcastic. That is not lying!
>
> But then I'd have to tell the truth...
You can tell whatever you want. Doesn't have to be the truth or a lie
or anything someone is asking you.
Bore them with math. Anything.
>>>>>> She is the kind of girl that will burn the meat when she cooks normal
>>>>>> food. So I normally do the cooking.
>>>>>
>>>>> Hey, I can do that.
>>>>
>>>> The burning bit, or the cooking bit?
>>>
>>> The former. A little of the latter.
>>
>> Best way to learn how to cook, is making lots of mistakes when you are
>> learning! And to remember when a dish turns out right!!
>>
>> I burned eggs when I was very young. Now I make complex dishes like
>> spaghetti with instant sauce!
>
> Erm, yes...
One day I hope to have my own cooking program on television.
>>>>> Maybe I just refuse to lower myself onto their turf?
>>>>> That reminds me of Babylon 5. The dialogue went something like that: We
>>>>> don't have homeless anymore on Earth. (That was the last one in three
>>>>> things, I think.) - When did that happen? - When we rewrote the
>>>>> dictionary.
>>>>> NewSpeak at its best. Now where's my DoubleSpeak Dictonary?
>>>>
>>>> We have low unemployment in Holland.
>>>> What they forget is that there is a lot of 'security' related jobs that
>>>> weren't there ten years ago!!
>>>>
>>>> Besides, home is where your bottle of whiskey is :-) At least I imagine
>>>> it to be like that.
>>>
>>> Who cares for whiskey?
>>
>> Homeless people do. Because it makes them forget.
>
> And dead.
In Holland the homeless are taken care of.
When it freezes outside they are even abducted into warm shelter.
Against their will.
>>>>>> To me, Israel is a religious theme park. Even though I do believe in
>>>>>> JHWH.
>>>>>
>>>>> I think you are being to harsh. Theme park religion more fits those
>>>>> American fundamentalists.
>>>>
>>>> I try not to have an opinion on Israel. But they make it very hard for
>>>> people to not have an opinion on it!
>>>>
>>>> I mean, burning civilians with phosphor. Israel is the only country in
>>>> the world that can get away with that. And why? Not because of what
>>>> Hitler did to the jews I hope. That was over half a century ago!
>>>>
>>>> I think all the zionists should move to Holland and give their holy
>>>> land back to the infidels. I don't know if we have room here, but they
>>>> would be welcome here from my point of view. Problem solved.
>>>
>>> It would be the same, only different.
>>
>> You are right!
>>
>> Those zionists would probably put a huge wall around Holland the moment
>> they got in power! Or maybe make insane demands before you are allowed
>> to get onto a plane.
>>
>> It is not worth it to me. Let them stay in Israel and turn it in to a
>> fascist police state!
>
> I hate zealots. I hate zealots that use religion to justify their wants
> even more.
Zealots can be fun. At least they act based one something more than one
person believes. And this is well documented.
They also like to talk to other people about this. Who are not zealots
(yet).
>>>>>> I have a 'Headshot' t-shirt. It is a skull getting a bullet through it
>>>>>> in yellow and black. I freaked out a psychiatrist with that t-shirt.
>>>>>> But when I explained it was from FPS games, he understood.
>>>>>
>>>>> You did freak him out on purpose, didn't you?
>>>>
>>>> I did actually, but I didn't expect him to actually freak out!
>>>
>>> Suuuure.
>>
>> Not that much btw. I thought he would 'think' it but not actually
>> mention it.
>
> Well, then you probably underestimated the kind of fear people in the
> know can experience. Think about it.
The question is, had I carried a gun, would I still have worn the
t-shirt?
emmel
> On 16-10-2010 11:24, emmel wrote:
>> Thus Neo spoke:
>>
>>> On 28-8-2010 10:21, emmel wrote:
>>>> Thus Neo spoke:
>>>>
>>>>> On 10-8-2010 14:11, emmel wrote:
>>>>>> Thus Neo spoke:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My paper trail is PDF...
>>>>>
>>>>> Bits and Bytes are volatile by their very nature.
>>>>> Unless you print them out on paper!
>>>>
>>>> Depends on your backup medium.
>>>
>>> It won't all fit in your brain emmel.
>>
>> Who knows...
>
> Not unless you have a brain the size of a small galaxy.
A brain is a poor backup medium. Even if it is the size of a small
planet.
>>> And computers do break down in the worst possible way! (like the power
>>> supply taking out everything including the motherboard and your hard
>>> disk).
>>
>> That's where back ups come in handy.
>
> Bit rot.
Proper backups.
>>>>>>> Not that our government has a clue a about IT btw.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Naturally.
>>>>>
>>>>> Not that they are even trying...
>>>>
>>>> Does it make a difference?
>>>
>>> It does. Because by not trying they demonstrate that they don't have a
>>> clue (or care) about not having a clue.
>>>
>>> That combined with power (invested by the voters) is a very dangerous
>>> combination.
>>>
>>> Like Obama with a red button to take out part or the whole of the
>>> internet!
>>>
>>> Humanity was safer when it was just nukes pointed at socialist
>>> countries!
>>
>> Yeah, sure, whatever. Because Global Thermonuclear War is so much
>> better.
>
> At least you die quickly if you are near anything of military value.
And if not? Maybe humanity would have gone extinct... Well, actually I
can't find any downside anymore.
>>>>>>>>>>>> There are several books I thing that about.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> It is better to have too many books, than to have nothing at all to
>>>>>>>>>>> read when you feel like it.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Have. As in already bought.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So how many books do you own (not related to physics).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> A hell of a lot more than physics related ones.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So how many meters do you own? How much of your wall is covered with
>>>>>>> bookshelves?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dunno. Five? Something like that.
>>>>>
>>>>> That is a lot!
>>>>> More than I have, and I am older than you.
>>>>> I have 3m of computer games though. 3 shelves high (though there is a
>>>>> meter of DVD's too). All legal!
>>>>
>>>> Not exactly my books, though. And not very high at any rate.
>>>
>>> I bet you've read them all then :-(
>>
>> I'm not sure. I think there might be a few I have not.
>
> You think those books would be fun to read?
Oh, there are some fairy tale volumes, I think. Those are quite nice
usually.
>>>>>>> I promise you, by the time you have been together with a girl for two
>>>>>>> years, you can't wait to be alone and on your own again.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's what you say.
>>>>>
>>>>> Depends on the girl I guess.
>>>>> Mine tends to talk a lot.
>>>>> About things that don't interest me (mostly about herself).
>>>>> I don't want to be rude to her, but it gets on my nerves after a while!
>>>>
>>>> Oh my.
>>>
>>> Don't all girls talk a lot? I think they do. And when they don't I
>>> start to worry.
>>
>> I don't know. I don't even know if I'll ever find out.
>
> "Don't let it bring you down,
> it's only castles burning,
> just find someone who is turning,
> and you will come around".
>
> Lyrics from Neil Young.
Who probably has had girls chasing after him.
>>>>>>> True love is *very* rare. Especially these days where everybody is
>>>>>>> swamped by information and data. And where noone has any time left to
>>>>>>> think of feel.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yeah. But... One can hope, eh?
>>>>>
>>>>> "It is not the despair. I can handle the despair. It is the *hope* that
>>>>> is driving my crazy" - Clockwise, John Cleese as the headmaster.
>>>>
>>>> I can't handle the despair.
>>>
>>> You are doing fine so far!
>>
>> Not at all.
>
> You seem to be doing fine so far!
I'm hardly every what I seem.
>>>>>>> She would have reacted to his has she still lurked, wouldn't she?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes...
>>>>>
>>>>> We need to RP her out of the group.
>>>>
>>>> Why?
>>>
>>> To punish her? Because we can? To cover up our failure in keeping her
>>> here? Because we RP-ed BWIGLEY out of the group also? (though he can
>>> get back in if he kills some sheep).
>>>
>>> We do spend a lot of bytes on someone who is no longer here. That
>>> cannot be a good thing.
>>
>> I miss her.
>
> Dragons can protect. Dragons are strong. Dragons are wise. Dragons give
> good advice.
Dragons are cute...
>>> I say we think about it, and RP her out next time someone mentions her.
>>
>> Who? Face it, there's nobody left here. Not even me, really.
>
> But you came back!
Just checking if there are any undead I can exploit for my army of
darkness.
>>>>>>> I think it is pretty bad manners to tell someone on usenet that you are
>>>>>>> depressed, and then disappear without a trace.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Or tell people you are dying when you are not...
>>>>>
>>>>> We are all dying, emmel.
>>>>> We started to die, before we were even born.
>>>>
>>>> Oh, great. I feel so much better now.
>>>
>>> In self-defence sports, they say you have to accept defeat beforehand.
>>> And then make the best of your fight.
>>>
>>> At least that is what I say. Some people might say the exact opposite!
>>
>> Sports... I think I *have* heard that word before.
>
> There are sports that have mixed teams of girls and boys in them.
> There are sports that almost exclusively have girls in them (horse
> back riding).
> It is easy to meet girls if you can afford the contribution of a sports
> club.
I don't have the bloody time.
>>>> Doesn't sound very healthy. Concerning the gaming, though - I guess you
>>>> just grow out of it at some point. You may still game now and then, but
>>>> it just isn't the same.
>>>
>>> I hope not, because being a gamer is part of my identity.
>>>
>>> It is just that I am done with 'multiplayer' and 'online
>>> achievements'. And a lot of new games are all about that.
>>
>> I think I like non-computer games best...
>
> But they are REAL!
>
> Or are you talking about Warhammer 40K?
More like Pen and Paper.
>>>>>>> And if your writing is really worth reading (which I think it is), you
>>>>>>> will convince a publisher to buy your book.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Actually I think my chances are very slim on that one. Even if it was
>>>>>> good enough I tend to be very protective about my intellectual property
>>>>>> and that doesn't sit too well with publishers, I guess.
>>>>>
>>>>> You need to influence the right people.
>>>>
>>>> I totally suck at that.
>>>
>>> The thing is making it look like you are not trying to influence them!
>>
>> Fat chance. I'm totally inept at that. I can't even talk myself into
>> things.
>
> That is because you are depressed.
> And you know why you are depressed, because that is the only thing on
> your mind these days.
It is? What is?
>>>>> If you go through the 'proper channels', your chances are indeed slim.
>>>>> There is a lot of competition for these stories since the Lord of the
>>>>> Rings and Harry Potter movies.
>>>>>
>>>>> But I would read your stories, you know I have so far!
>>>>
>>>> I just need to get back to writing them. Damn it.
>>>
>>> Indeed.
>>>
>>> Though maybe you want to publish them outside AGC too. Because right
>>> now it is only me and you keeping JNCOBOY alive!
>>
>> I have this blog...
>> ::points at sig::
>> ...that totally needs updating.
>
> I like usenet better.
> And a blog is useless if it doesn't get indexed and linked to.
Or new stuff published. I suck. But I can suck outside of usenet as
well.
>>>>>>> And your stories are very easy to write sequels for by their very
>>>>>>> nature. So you will never run out of stuff to write.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You think so? Their nature is actually quite closed. Or will be once I
>>>>>> write the end.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have never seen you finish a story here on AGC :-)
>>>>
>>>> That's because people stopped reacting to A and B and C aren't done yet.
>>>
>>> I never stopped reacting!
>>
>> Before that.
>
> Ah, temporal gaps.
And me being fed up. Besides, I finished one. OK, I wrote in a single
night when I couldn't sleep, but I *did* finish it.
>>>>>> Emphasizing such small things gives me the very distinct feeling that I
>>>>>> have failed big time. As if I need a reminder of that.
>>>>>
>>>>> I live with that feeling every single day.
>>>>> Sometimes I feel despair too. But not often these days.
>>>>
>>>> I'm rather good at ignoring thing. But that only made things hit harder
>>>> once I cannot do that any longer.
>>>
>>> Feelings always get less and less intense with time.
>>> So all you have to do is wait. And you will get over it.
>>>
>>> I had quite a pain in my heart some 15 years ago. But some time ago I
>>> could deal with it. And now it seems like a distant memory. I even have
>>> a gf! But I won't let her step on my heart. That might be kind of sad
>>> but I have to protect myself.
>>
>> Nobody even wants to step on my heart.
>
> It either turns you into a cynic, or you get crushed by it.
> It is an experience you can skip. Believe me.
Because it is so much better if nobody cares...
>>>>>>> Girlfriend takes care of the lonely feeling however. I give her that. I
>>>>>>> haven't felt lonely since I met her. And that is worth something.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You are lucky.
>>>>>
>>>>> I know :-) :-)
>>>>>
>>>>> Yet I accomplish little every day. Except patching my computers and
>>>>> those of my parents.
>>>>
>>>> Well, I study. I get a little done.
>>>
>>> What do you study? Something without math I hope!
>>
>> Definitely not without math... And I even like the math.
>
> Maybe you need math that is easier to understand.
> Like math with Discrete Natural Numbers. I always thought that was
> great.
Boring.
>>>>> I think I am pretty secure unless I attract the attention of the TLA.
>>>>> And they have no right to be inside my computer!!
>>>>
>>>> When did rights enter the question?
>>>
>>> 'There is no right way, there is only our way'.
>>> 'If you don't like that, you get radioactive tea'.
>>> See something wrong with that?
>>
>> Not at all. I like plutonium in my tea. Two spoons please.
>
> If your spoon is made of plutonium, what is your cup made of?!
Force field. Makes for nice effects when the spoons hit the sides.
>>>>>>> Another problem is that the linux crowd likes to get things for free.
>>>>>>> As in free beer.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not really. I mean everyone does, but there's enough commercial stuff
>>>>>> for Linux.
>>>>>
>>>>> Like Open Solaris no longer being open.
>>>>
>>>> Freedom includes running the applications you want to run. Including
>>>> non-free commercial ones. That doesn't invalidate your freedom.
>>>
>>> You lose your freedom to run Open Solaris, when no-one is writing
>>> patches and new drivers for it any more.
>>
>> Who cares about Solaris anyway?
>
> We used that at the university. Students called it 'Slowaris'.
Yeah, well, I can have *that* on Linux.
>>> Not sure why this is happening, but you have to be a madman to
>>> understand the mind of a CEO! (assuming they have one).
>>
>> Well, they *did* buy themselves hardware shop for their database
>> management systems and MySQL. It *does* make sense.
>
> Nothing big corporations do makes any sense to me. It is all
> egotistical pursuit of extremely large sums of money. By making random
> decisions based on nothing.
Well spoken, but not quite true, I'm afraid. I just makes sense a very
senseless and scary way. That's all.
>>>>>> Should have said so. You never call anything nice when woman or cooking
>>>>>> are involved.
>>>>>
>>>>> She would get used to my flattery. What is worse, she would see through
>>>>> it! And punish me in some way!
>>>>
>>>> Saying something is good when it is isn't flattery.
>>>
>>> I try to never lie, because then I would have to remember all my lies.
>>> Sometimes I joke or be sarcastic. That is not lying!
>>
>> But then I'd have to tell the truth...
>
> You can tell whatever you want. Doesn't have to be the truth or a lie
> or anything someone is asking you.
>
> Bore them with math. Anything.
I've done that one enough to last for a lifetime.
>>>>>>> She is the kind of girl that will burn the meat when she cooks normal
>>>>>>> food. So I normally do the cooking.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hey, I can do that.
>>>>>
>>>>> The burning bit, or the cooking bit?
>>>>
>>>> The former. A little of the latter.
>>>
>>> Best way to learn how to cook, is making lots of mistakes when you are
>>> learning! And to remember when a dish turns out right!!
>>>
>>> I burned eggs when I was very young. Now I make complex dishes like
>>> spaghetti with instant sauce!
>>
>> Erm, yes...
>
> One day I hope to have my own cooking program on television.
You know what: I'd watch it (if I could get it on TV), even if I
probably couldn't understand much of anything. Just because.
>>>>>> Maybe I just refuse to lower myself onto their turf?
>>>>>> That reminds me of Babylon 5. The dialogue went something like that: We
>>>>>> don't have homeless anymore on Earth. (That was the last one in three
>>>>>> things, I think.) - When did that happen? - When we rewrote the
>>>>>> dictionary.
>>>>>> NewSpeak at its best. Now where's my DoubleSpeak Dictonary?
>>>>>
>>>>> We have low unemployment in Holland.
>>>>> What they forget is that there is a lot of 'security' related jobs that
>>>>> weren't there ten years ago!!
>>>>>
>>>>> Besides, home is where your bottle of whiskey is :-) At least I imagine
>>>>> it to be like that.
>>>>
>>>> Who cares for whiskey?
>>>
>>> Homeless people do. Because it makes them forget.
>>
>> And dead.
>
> In Holland the homeless are taken care of.
>
> When it freezes outside they are even abducted into warm shelter.
> Against their will.
What a wonderful world.
>>>>>>> To me, Israel is a religious theme park. Even though I do believe in
>>>>>>> JHWH.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think you are being to harsh. Theme park religion more fits those
>>>>>> American fundamentalists.
>>>>>
>>>>> I try not to have an opinion on Israel. But they make it very hard for
>>>>> people to not have an opinion on it!
>>>>>
>>>>> I mean, burning civilians with phosphor. Israel is the only country in
>>>>> the world that can get away with that. And why? Not because of what
>>>>> Hitler did to the jews I hope. That was over half a century ago!
>>>>>
>>>>> I think all the zionists should move to Holland and give their holy
>>>>> land back to the infidels. I don't know if we have room here, but they
>>>>> would be welcome here from my point of view. Problem solved.
>>>>
>>>> It would be the same, only different.
>>>
>>> You are right!
>>>
>>> Those zionists would probably put a huge wall around Holland the moment
>>> they got in power! Or maybe make insane demands before you are allowed
>>> to get onto a plane.
>>>
>>> It is not worth it to me. Let them stay in Israel and turn it in to a
>>> fascist police state!
>>
>> I hate zealots. I hate zealots that use religion to justify their wants
>> even more.
>
> Zealots can be fun. At least they act based one something more than one
> person believes. And this is well documented.
Stupidity doesn't equal to fun for me. Not when it comes in large
numbers and that damn righteousness.
> They also like to talk to other people about this. Who are not zealots
> (yet).
Too bloody dangerous. You might laugh, but the world suffers.
>>>>>>> I have a 'Headshot' t-shirt. It is a skull getting a bullet through it
>>>>>>> in yellow and black. I freaked out a psychiatrist with that t-shirt.
>>>>>>> But when I explained it was from FPS games, he understood.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You did freak him out on purpose, didn't you?
>>>>>
>>>>> I did actually, but I didn't expect him to actually freak out!
>>>>
>>>> Suuuure.
>>>
>>> Not that much btw. I thought he would 'think' it but not actually
>>> mention it.
>>
>> Well, then you probably underestimated the kind of fear people in the
>> know can experience. Think about it.
>
> The question is, had I carried a gun, would I still have worn the
> t-shirt?
You? Unlikely. What would have been the point?
Neo
> Thus Neo spoke:
>
>> On 16-10-2010 11:24, emmel wrote:
>>> Thus Neo spoke:
>>>
>>>> On 28-8-2010 10:21, emmel wrote:
>>>>> Thus Neo spoke:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 10-8-2010 14:11, emmel wrote:
>>>>>>> Thus Neo spoke:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My paper trail is PDF...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bits and Bytes are volatile by their very nature.
>>>>>> Unless you print them out on paper!
>>>>>
>>>>> Depends on your backup medium.
>>>>
>>>> It won't all fit in your brain emmel.
>>>
>>> Who knows...
>>
>> Not unless you have a brain the size of a small galaxy.
>
> A brain is a poor backup medium. Even if it is the size of a small
> planet.
THHGTTG was on tv some days ago. The NEW version.
It seems to me Marvin is the author depressed. And Beetlebrox is
Douglas Adams manic (yeah, when you are manic you think you rule the
universe, or at least that you should some day).
But who is Arthur? Well, you, the reader probably.
>>>> And computers do break down in the worst possible way! (like the power
>>>> supply taking out everything including the motherboard and your hard
>>>> disk).
>>>
>>> That's where back ups come in handy.
>>
>> Bit rot.
>
> Proper backups.
Get new backup media when the old ones get outdated and unsupported.
I burned a few kilos of floppies (3 1/2") to cd and dvd this year. You
already know that.
>>>>>>>> Not that our government has a clue a about IT btw.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Naturally.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not that they are even trying...
>>>>>
>>>>> Does it make a difference?
>>>>
>>>> It does. Because by not trying they demonstrate that they don't have a
>>>> clue (or care) about not having a clue.
>>>>
>>>> That combined with power (invested by the voters) is a very dangerous
>>>> combination.
>>>>
>>>> Like Obama with a red button to take out part or the whole of the
>>>> internet!
>>>>
>>>> Humanity was safer when it was just nukes pointed at socialist
>>>> countries!
>>>
>>> Yeah, sure, whatever. Because Global Thermonuclear War is so much
>>> better.
>>
>> At least you die quickly if you are near anything of military value.
>
> And if not? Maybe humanity would have gone extinct... Well, actually I
> can't find any downside anymore.
Sounds like you read too much Douglas Adams.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> There are several books I thing that about.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> It is better to have too many books, than to have nothing at all to
>>>>>>>>>>>> read when you feel like it.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Have. As in already bought.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> So how many books do you own (not related to physics).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> A hell of a lot more than physics related ones.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So how many meters do you own? How much of your wall is covered with
>>>>>>>> bookshelves?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dunno. Five? Something like that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That is a lot!
>>>>>> More than I have, and I am older than you.
>>>>>> I have 3m of computer games though. 3 shelves high (though there is a
>>>>>> meter of DVD's too). All legal!
>>>>>
>>>>> Not exactly my books, though. And not very high at any rate.
>>>>
>>>> I bet you've read them all then :-(
>>>
>>> I'm not sure. I think there might be a few I have not.
>>
>> You think those books would be fun to read?
>
> Oh, there are some fairy tale volumes, I think. Those are quite nice
> usually.
So find time!
>>>>>>>> I promise you, by the time you have been together with a girl for two
>>>>>>>> years, you can't wait to be alone and on your own again.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That's what you say.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Depends on the girl I guess.
>>>>>> Mine tends to talk a lot.
>>>>>> About things that don't interest me (mostly about herself).
>>>>>> I don't want to be rude to her, but it gets on my nerves after a while!
>>>>>
>>>>> Oh my.
>>>>
>>>> Don't all girls talk a lot? I think they do. And when they don't I
>>>> start to worry.
>>>
>>> I don't know. I don't even know if I'll ever find out.
>>
>> "Don't let it bring you down,
>> it's only castles burning,
>> just find someone who is turning,
>> and you will come around".
>>
>> Lyrics from Neil Young.
>
> Who probably has had girls chasing after him.
But he wouldn't want them because they were in love with his image as a
musician. There is more to a musician than being a musician!
>>>>>>>> True love is *very* rare. Especially these days where everybody is
>>>>>>>> swamped by information and data. And where noone has any time left to
>>>>>>>> think of feel.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yeah. But... One can hope, eh?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "It is not the despair. I can handle the despair. It is the *hope* that
>>>>>> is driving my crazy" - Clockwise, John Cleese as the headmaster.
>>>>>
>>>>> I can't handle the despair.
>>>>
>>>> You are doing fine so far!
>>>
>>> Not at all.
>>
>> You seem to be doing fine so far!
>
> I'm hardly every what I seem.
We can pretend...
>>>>>>>> She would have reacted to his has she still lurked, wouldn't she?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We need to RP her out of the group.
>>>>>
>>>>> Why?
>>>>
>>>> To punish her? Because we can? To cover up our failure in keeping her
>>>> here? Because we RP-ed BWIGLEY out of the group also? (though he can
>>>> get back in if he kills some sheep).
>>>>
>>>> We do spend a lot of bytes on someone who is no longer here. That
>>>> cannot be a good thing.
>>>
>>> I miss her.
>>
>> Dragons can protect. Dragons are strong. Dragons are wise. Dragons give
>> good advice.
>
> Dragons are cute...
I have been thinking about her this week. Something about her not doing
well. In some kind of trouble or depression.
Shame I didn't ask about it, but I have myself to keep within mental
boundaries also. Not overdoing things by overloading myself keeps me
sane.
>>>> I say we think about it, and RP her out next time someone mentions her.
>>>
>>> Who? Face it, there's nobody left here. Not even me, really.
>>
>> But you came back!
>
> Just checking if there are any undead I can exploit for my army of
> darkness.
Sounds like we need to stage a counter invasion into AGLAMI! Wonder if
his benevolent dictator is still reading his group.
>>>>>>>> I think it is pretty bad manners to tell someone on usenet that you are
>>>>>>>> depressed, and then disappear without a trace.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Or tell people you are dying when you are not...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We are all dying, emmel.
>>>>>> We started to die, before we were even born.
>>>>>
>>>>> Oh, great. I feel so much better now.
>>>>
>>>> In self-defence sports, they say you have to accept defeat beforehand.
>>>> And then make the best of your fight.
>>>>
>>>> At least that is what I say. Some people might say the exact opposite!
>>>
>>> Sports... I think I *have* heard that word before.
>>
>> There are sports that have mixed teams of girls and boys in them.
>> There are sports that almost exclusively have girls in them (horse
>> back riding).
>> It is easy to meet girls if you can afford the contribution of a sports
>> club.
>
> I don't have the bloody time.
So accumulate enough money to make time! Work part-time (or don't they
do this in Germany?).
>>>>> Doesn't sound very healthy. Concerning the gaming, though - I guess you
>>>>> just grow out of it at some point. You may still game now and then, but
>>>>> it just isn't the same.
>>>>
>>>> I hope not, because being a gamer is part of my identity.
>>>>
>>>> It is just that I am done with 'multiplayer' and 'online
>>>> achievements'. And a lot of new games are all about that.
>>>
>>> I think I like non-computer games best...
>>
>> But they are REAL!
>>
>> Or are you talking about Warhammer 40K?
>
> More like Pen and Paper.
Warhammer 40K *is* pen and paper. And you get to paint your own
miniatures too!
I would play it, but I feel more at ease in virtual worlds. Easier to
clean and tidy up than the real world.
>>>>>>>> And if your writing is really worth reading (which I think it is), you
>>>>>>>> will convince a publisher to buy your book.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Actually I think my chances are very slim on that one. Even if it was
>>>>>>> good enough I tend to be very protective about my intellectual property
>>>>>>> and that doesn't sit too well with publishers, I guess.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You need to influence the right people.
>>>>>
>>>>> I totally suck at that.
>>>>
>>>> The thing is making it look like you are not trying to influence them!
>>>
>>> Fat chance. I'm totally inept at that. I can't even talk myself into
>>> things.
>>
>> That is because you are depressed.
>> And you know why you are depressed, because that is the only thing on
>> your mind these days.
>
> It is? What is?
Hmm. When I was depressed I had repetitive thoughts.
You just have to wait till they go away, all by themselves.
And then you will no longer be depressed.
That is the trick to it I think.
>>>>>> If you go through the 'proper channels', your chances are indeed slim.
>>>>>> There is a lot of competition for these stories since the Lord of the
>>>>>> Rings and Harry Potter movies.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But I would read your stories, you know I have so far!
>>>>>
>>>>> I just need to get back to writing them. Damn it.
>>>>
>>>> Indeed.
>>>>
>>>> Though maybe you want to publish them outside AGC too. Because right
>>>> now it is only me and you keeping JNCOBOY alive!
>>>
>>> I have this blog...
>>> ::points at sig::
>>> ...that totally needs updating.
>>
>> I like usenet better.
>> And a blog is useless if it doesn't get indexed and linked to.
>
> Or new stuff published. I suck. But I can suck outside of usenet as
> well.
You suck less then everyone that went away. IMHO.
>>>>>>>> And your stories are very easy to write sequels for by their very
>>>>>>>> nature. So you will never run out of stuff to write.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You think so? Their nature is actually quite closed. Or will be once I
>>>>>>> write the end.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have never seen you finish a story here on AGC :-)
>>>>>
>>>>> That's because people stopped reacting to A and B and C aren't done yet.
>>>>
>>>> I never stopped reacting!
>>>
>>> Before that.
>>
>> Ah, temporal gaps.
>
> And me being fed up. Besides, I finished one. OK, I wrote in a single
> night when I couldn't sleep, but I *did* finish it.
I will check it out soon!
Hope I still remember all the characters...
>>>>>>> Emphasizing such small things gives me the very distinct feeling that I
>>>>>>> have failed big time. As if I need a reminder of that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I live with that feeling every single day.
>>>>>> Sometimes I feel despair too. But not often these days.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm rather good at ignoring thing. But that only made things hit harder
>>>>> once I cannot do that any longer.
>>>>
>>>> Feelings always get less and less intense with time.
>>>> So all you have to do is wait. And you will get over it.
>>>>
>>>> I had quite a pain in my heart some 15 years ago. But some time ago I
>>>> could deal with it. And now it seems like a distant memory. I even have
>>>> a gf! But I won't let her step on my heart. That might be kind of sad
>>>> but I have to protect myself.
>>>
>>> Nobody even wants to step on my heart.
>>
>> It either turns you into a cynic, or you get crushed by it.
>> It is an experience you can skip. Believe me.
>
> Because it is so much better if nobody cares...
Impossible infatuations are not something I ever want to deal with
anymore. They can destroy so much. Better to be unloved and to love
no-one yourself.
"How do you fix a broken heart" - Iggy Pop.
Patience. Lots of patience. That is what fixes it.
>>>>>>>> Girlfriend takes care of the lonely feeling however. I give her that. I
>>>>>>>> haven't felt lonely since I met her. And that is worth something.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You are lucky.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I know :-) :-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yet I accomplish little every day. Except patching my computers and
>>>>>> those of my parents.
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, I study. I get a little done.
>>>>
>>>> What do you study? Something without math I hope!
>>>
>>> Definitely not without math... And I even like the math.
>>
>> Maybe you need math that is easier to understand.
>> Like math with Discrete Natural Numbers. I always thought that was
>> great.
>
> Boring.
I *love* discrete numbers. How they are totally different from what you
learned at school when you were younger.
>>>>>> I think I am pretty secure unless I attract the attention of the TLA.
>>>>>> And they have no right to be inside my computer!!
>>>>>
>>>>> When did rights enter the question?
>>>>
>>>> 'There is no right way, there is only our way'.
>>>> 'If you don't like that, you get radioactive tea'.
>>>> See something wrong with that?
>>>
>>> Not at all. I like plutonium in my tea. Two spoons please.
>>
>> If your spoon is made of plutonium, what is your cup made of?!
>
> Force field. Makes for nice effects when the spoons hit the sides.
What spoon?
>>>> Not sure why this is happening, but you have to be a madman to
>>>> understand the mind of a CEO! (assuming they have one).
>>>
>>> Well, they *did* buy themselves hardware shop for their database
>>> management systems and MySQL. It *does* make sense.
>>
>> Nothing big corporations do makes any sense to me. It is all
>> egotistical pursuit of extremely large sums of money. By making random
>> decisions based on nothing.
>
> Well spoken, but not quite true, I'm afraid. I just makes sense a very
> senseless and scary way. That's all.
You don't see the 'unsuccessful' corporate leaders.
I bet it is 50 - 50. Pure chance.
>>>>>>>> She is the kind of girl that will burn the meat when she cooks normal
>>>>>>>> food. So I normally do the cooking.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hey, I can do that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The burning bit, or the cooking bit?
>>>>>
>>>>> The former. A little of the latter.
>>>>
>>>> Best way to learn how to cook, is making lots of mistakes when you are
>>>> learning! And to remember when a dish turns out right!!
>>>>
>>>> I burned eggs when I was very young. Now I make complex dishes like
>>>> spaghetti with instant sauce!
>>>
>>> Erm, yes...
>>
>> One day I hope to have my own cooking program on television.
>
> You know what: I'd watch it (if I could get it on TV), even if I
> probably couldn't understand much of anything. Just because.
I'll announce the channel and time when they broadcast it!
>>>>>>> Maybe I just refuse to lower myself onto their turf?
>>>>>>> That reminds me of Babylon 5. The dialogue went something like that: We
>>>>>>> don't have homeless anymore on Earth. (That was the last one in three
>>>>>>> things, I think.) - When did that happen? - When we rewrote the
>>>>>>> dictionary.
>>>>>>> NewSpeak at its best. Now where's my DoubleSpeak Dictonary?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We have low unemployment in Holland.
>>>>>> What they forget is that there is a lot of 'security' related jobs that
>>>>>> weren't there ten years ago!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Besides, home is where your bottle of whiskey is :-) At least I imagine
>>>>>> it to be like that.
>>>>>
>>>>> Who cares for whiskey?
>>>>
>>>> Homeless people do. Because it makes them forget.
>>>
>>> And dead.
>>
>> In Holland the homeless are taken care of.
>>
>> When it freezes outside they are even abducted into warm shelter.
>> Against their will.
>
> What a wonderful world.
Let them freeze to dead when they want to. Keep them warm and fed when
they ask for it.
>>>>>>>> I have a 'Headshot' t-shirt. It is a skull getting a bullet through it
>>>>>>>> in yellow and black. I freaked out a psychiatrist with that t-shirt.
>>>>>>>> But when I explained it was from FPS games, he understood.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You did freak him out on purpose, didn't you?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I did actually, but I didn't expect him to actually freak out!
>>>>>
>>>>> Suuuure.
>>>>
>>>> Not that much btw. I thought he would 'think' it but not actually
>>>> mention it.
>>>
>>> Well, then you probably underestimated the kind of fear people in the
>>> know can experience. Think about it.
>>
>> The question is, had I carried a gun, would I still have worn the
>> t-shirt?
>
> You? Unlikely. What would have been the point?
The part pointing away from my arm?
Nah, killing would get me in trouble. And anger usually ebbs away
anyhow. I am no fanatic. I don't need to make the world a 'better'
place.
emmel
> On 4-11-2010 20:29, emmel wrote:
>> Thus Neo spoke:
>>
>>> On 16-10-2010 11:24, emmel wrote:
>>>> Thus Neo spoke:
>>>>
>>>>> On 28-8-2010 10:21, emmel wrote:
>>>>>> Thus Neo spoke:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 10-8-2010 14:11, emmel wrote:
>>>>>>>> Thus Neo spoke:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> My paper trail is PDF...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bits and Bytes are volatile by their very nature.
>>>>>>> Unless you print them out on paper!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Depends on your backup medium.
>>>>>
>>>>> It won't all fit in your brain emmel.
>>>>
>>>> Who knows...
>>>
>>> Not unless you have a brain the size of a small galaxy.
>>
>> A brain is a poor backup medium. Even if it is the size of a small
>> planet.
>
> THHGTTG was on tv some days ago. The NEW version.
Can't stand it. They cut the points...
> It seems to me Marvin is the author depressed. And Beetlebrox is
> Douglas Adams manic (yeah, when you are manic you think you rule the
> universe, or at least that you should some day).
>
> But who is Arthur? Well, you, the reader probably.
At this point, the *viewer* is the vogons, wanting to get rid of that
terrible thing...
> Get new backup media when the old ones get outdated and unsupported.
>
> I burned a few kilos of floppies (3 1/2") to cd and dvd this year. You
> already know that.
Yes. CDs and DVDs aren't really that great backup media, though. Hard
discs and magnetic tapes are better.
>>>> Yeah, sure, whatever. Because Global Thermonuclear War is so much
>>>> better.
>>>
>>> At least you die quickly if you are near anything of military value.
>>
>> And if not? Maybe humanity would have gone extinct... Well, actually I
>> can't find any downside anymore.
>
> Sounds like you read too much Douglas Adams.
No, that's just plain old me.
>>> You think those books would be fun to read?
>>
>> Oh, there are some fairy tale volumes, I think. Those are quite nice
>> usually.
>
> So find time!
Too much trouble. I'd have to actually get up for that.
>>> Lyrics from Neil Young.
>>
>> Who probably has had girls chasing after him.
>
> But he wouldn't want them because they were in love with his image as a
> musician. There is more to a musician than being a musician!
Sounds as if stupidity is in the package as well.
>>>>> You are doing fine so far!
>>>>
>>>> Not at all.
>>>
>>> You seem to be doing fine so far!
>>
>> I'm hardly every what I seem.
>
> We can pretend...
What's the point.
>>>>>>>>> She would have reacted to his has she still lurked, wouldn't she?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yes...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We need to RP her out of the group.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why?
>>>>>
>>>>> To punish her? Because we can? To cover up our failure in keeping her
>>>>> here? Because we RP-ed BWIGLEY out of the group also? (though he can
>>>>> get back in if he kills some sheep).
>>>>>
>>>>> We do spend a lot of bytes on someone who is no longer here. That
>>>>> cannot be a good thing.
>>>>
>>>> I miss her.
>>>
>>> Dragons can protect. Dragons are strong. Dragons are wise. Dragons give
>>> good advice.
>>
>> Dragons are cute...
>
> I have been thinking about her this week. Something about her not doing
> well. In some kind of trouble or depression.
I hope not. I really liked her.
> Shame I didn't ask about it, but I have myself to keep within mental
> boundaries also. Not overdoing things by overloading myself keeps me
> sane.
I can't quite follow you...
>>>>> I say we think about it, and RP her out next time someone mentions her.
>>>>
>>>> Who? Face it, there's nobody left here. Not even me, really.
>>>
>>> But you came back!
>>
>> Just checking if there are any undead I can exploit for my army of
>> darkness.
>
> Sounds like we need to stage a counter invasion into AGLAMI! Wonder if
> his benevolent dictator is still reading his group.
They are almost as (un)dead. And there's no fun in it any more anyway.
>>> There are sports that have mixed teams of girls and boys in them.
>>> There are sports that almost exclusively have girls in them (horse
>>> back riding).
>>> It is easy to meet girls if you can afford the contribution of a sports
>>> club.
>>
>> I don't have the bloody time.
>
> So accumulate enough money to make time! Work part-time (or don't they
> do this in Germany?).
I'm too busy for that.
>>>> I think I like non-computer games best...
>>>
>>> But they are REAL!
>>>
>>> Or are you talking about Warhammer 40K?
>>
>> More like Pen and Paper.
>
> Warhammer 40K *is* pen and paper. And you get to paint your own
> miniatures too!
More like Pen and Paper RPGs.
> I would play it, but I feel more at ease in virtual worlds. Easier to
> clean and tidy up than the real world.
I don't really care for miniatures. They are so limiting.
>>>> Fat chance. I'm totally inept at that. I can't even talk myself into
>>>> things.
>>>
>>> That is because you are depressed.
>>> And you know why you are depressed, because that is the only thing on
>>> your mind these days.
>>
>> It is? What is?
>
> Hmm. When I was depressed I had repetitive thoughts.
>
> You just have to wait till they go away, all by themselves.
>
> And then you will no longer be depressed.
>
> That is the trick to it I think.
Sounds like work. I'll pass on that.
>>> I like usenet better.
>>> And a blog is useless if it doesn't get indexed and linked to.
>>
>> Or new stuff published. I suck. But I can suck outside of usenet as
>> well.
>
> You suck less then everyone that went away. IMHO.
Oh, come one. Sparing the one or other troll they were alright. And they
seem to have something of a life instead of wating their time in this
dump.
>>>>>>>>> And your stories are very easy to write sequels for by their very
>>>>>>>>> nature. So you will never run out of stuff to write.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You think so? Their nature is actually quite closed. Or will be once I
>>>>>>>> write the end.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have never seen you finish a story here on AGC :-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's because people stopped reacting to A and B and C aren't done yet.
>>>>>
>>>>> I never stopped reacting!
>>>>
>>>> Before that.
>>>
>>> Ah, temporal gaps.
>>
>> And me being fed up. Besides, I finished one. OK, I wrote in a single
>> night when I couldn't sleep, but I *did* finish it.
>
> I will check it out soon!
>
> Hope I still remember all the characters...
You already read it. We talked about it. As usual nobody really cares.
>>>> Nobody even wants to step on my heart.
>>>
>>> It either turns you into a cynic, or you get crushed by it.
>>> It is an experience you can skip. Believe me.
>>
>> Because it is so much better if nobody cares...
>
> Impossible infatuations are not something I ever want to deal with
> anymore. They can destroy so much. Better to be unloved and to love
> no-one yourself.
>
> "How do you fix a broken heart" - Iggy Pop.
>
> Patience. Lots of patience. That is what fixes it.
At least then I'd know I have one.
>>> Like math with Discrete Natural Numbers. I always thought that was
>>> great.
>>
>> Boring.
>
> I *love* discrete numbers. How they are totally different from what you
> learned at school when you were younger.
::shrugs::
Whatever.
>>>>>>> I think I am pretty secure unless I attract the attention of the TLA.
>>>>>>> And they have no right to be inside my computer!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When did rights enter the question?
>>>>>
>>>>> 'There is no right way, there is only our way'.
>>>>> 'If you don't like that, you get radioactive tea'.
>>>>> See something wrong with that?
>>>>
>>>> Not at all. I like plutonium in my tea. Two spoons please.
>>>
>>> If your spoon is made of plutonium, what is your cup made of?!
>>
>> Force field. Makes for nice effects when the spoons hit the sides.
>
> What spoon?
The plutonium ones?
>>>>> Not sure why this is happening, but you have to be a madman to
>>>>> understand the mind of a CEO! (assuming they have one).
>>>>
>>>> Well, they *did* buy themselves hardware shop for their database
>>>> management systems and MySQL. It *does* make sense.
>>>
>>> Nothing big corporations do makes any sense to me. It is all
>>> egotistical pursuit of extremely large sums of money. By making random
>>> decisions based on nothing.
>>
>> Well spoken, but not quite true, I'm afraid. I just makes sense a very
>> senseless and scary way. That's all.
>
> You don't see the 'unsuccessful' corporate leaders.
>
> I bet it is 50 - 50. Pure chance.
I don't bet.
>>>>>>>>> She is the kind of girl that will burn the meat when she cooks normal
>>>>>>>>> food. So I normally do the cooking.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hey, I can do that.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The burning bit, or the cooking bit?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The former. A little of the latter.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best way to learn how to cook, is making lots of mistakes when you are
>>>>> learning! And to remember when a dish turns out right!!
>>>>>
>>>>> I burned eggs when I was very young. Now I make complex dishes like
>>>>> spaghetti with instant sauce!
>>>>
>>>> Erm, yes...
>>>
>>> One day I hope to have my own cooking program on television.
>>
>> You know what: I'd watch it (if I could get it on TV), even if I
>> probably couldn't understand much of anything. Just because.
>
> I'll announce the channel and time when they broadcast it!
OK.
>>> The question is, had I carried a gun, would I still have worn the
>>> t-shirt?
>>
>> You? Unlikely. What would have been the point?
>
> The part pointing away from my arm?
>
> Nah, killing would get me in trouble. And anger usually ebbs away
> anyhow. I am no fanatic. I don't need to make the world a 'better'
> place.
As if guns ever made it better.
Neo
> Thus Neo spoke:
>
>> On 4-11-2010 20:29, emmel wrote:
>>> Thus Neo spoke:
>>>
>>>> On 16-10-2010 11:24, emmel wrote:
>>>>> Thus Neo spoke:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 28-8-2010 10:21, emmel wrote:
>>>>>>> Thus Neo spoke:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 10-8-2010 14:11, emmel wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Thus Neo spoke:
>>>> You think those books would be fun to read?
>>>
>>> Oh, there are some fairy tale volumes, I think. Those are quite nice
>>> usually.
>>
>> So find time!
>
> Too much trouble. I'd have to actually get up for that.
Definitely a depression!
>>>> Lyrics from Neil Young.
>>>
>>> Who probably has had girls chasing after him.
>>
>> But he wouldn't want them because they were in love with his image as a
>> musician. There is more to a musician than being a musician!
>
> Sounds as if stupidity is in the package as well.
I have one gf. And she is not the one I fell hopelessly in love with.
But she is all I need right now.
I could probably get laid once every few weeks by going 'out'. But I
know it would make me very unhappy. And if I don't believe myself I can
listen to some songs that confirm that this is true.
>>>>>> You are doing fine so far!
>>>>>
>>>>> Not at all.
>>>>
>>>> You seem to be doing fine so far!
>>>
>>> I'm hardly every what I seem.
>>
>> We can pretend...
>
> What's the point.
It is like role playing.
>>>>>>>>>> She would have reacted to his has she still lurked, wouldn't she?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yes...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We need to RP her out of the group.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Why?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> To punish her? Because we can? To cover up our failure in keeping her
>>>>>> here? Because we RP-ed BWIGLEY out of the group also? (though he can
>>>>>> get back in if he kills some sheep).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We do spend a lot of bytes on someone who is no longer here. That
>>>>>> cannot be a good thing.
>>>>>
>>>>> I miss her.
>>>>
>>>> Dragons can protect. Dragons are strong. Dragons are wise. Dragons give
>>>> good advice.
>>>
>>> Dragons are cute...
>>
>> I have been thinking about her this week. Something about her not doing
>> well. In some kind of trouble or depression.
>
> I hope not. I really liked her.
You should tell her if you get the chance!
>> Shame I didn't ask about it, but I have myself to keep within mental
>> boundaries also. Not overdoing things by overloading myself keeps me
>> sane.
>
> I can't quite follow you...
She wasn't the type to complain, and yet she did. I didn't react to
that.
>>>>>> I say we think about it, and RP her out next time someone mentions her.
>>>>>
>>>>> Who? Face it, there's nobody left here. Not even me, really.
>>>>
>>>> But you came back!
>>>
>>> Just checking if there are any undead I can exploit for my army of
>>> darkness.
>>
>> Sounds like we need to stage a counter invasion into AGLAMI! Wonder if
>> his benevolent dictator is still reading his group.
>
> They are almost as (un)dead. And there's no fun in it any more anyway.
We could make fun of them?
>>>> There are sports that have mixed teams of girls and boys in them.
>>>> There are sports that almost exclusively have girls in them (horse
>>>> back riding).
>>>> It is easy to meet girls if you can afford the contribution of a sports
>>>> club.
>>>
>>> I don't have the bloody time.
>>
>> So accumulate enough money to make time! Work part-time (or don't they
>> do this in Germany?).
>
> I'm too busy for that.
As long as you have a home, and you pay your bills.
>>>>> I think I like non-computer games best...
>>>>
>>>> But they are REAL!
>>>>
>>>> Or are you talking about Warhammer 40K?
>>>
>>> More like Pen and Paper.
>>
>> Warhammer 40K *is* pen and paper. And you get to paint your own
>> miniatures too!
>
> More like Pen and Paper RPGs.
Warhammer 40K has 'codexes' for each race. With lots of rules in them.
And you need a n-sided dice to play.
It is really great, if you are into that kind of thing. You just need a
games workshop near you.
>> I would play it, but I feel more at ease in virtual worlds. Easier to
>> clean and tidy up than the real world.
>
> I don't really care for miniatures. They are so limiting.
You have to build your battlefields too. You can't buy those.
>>>>> Fat chance. I'm totally inept at that. I can't even talk myself into
>>>>> things.
>>>>
>>>> That is because you are depressed.
>>>> And you know why you are depressed, because that is the only thing on
>>>> your mind these days.
>>>
>>> It is? What is?
>>
>> Hmm. When I was depressed I had repetitive thoughts.
>>
>> You just have to wait till they go away, all by themselves.
>>
>> And then you will no longer be depressed.
>>
>> That is the trick to it I think.
>
> Sounds like work. I'll pass on that.
Yeah, definitely depression.
>>>> I like usenet better.
>>>> And a blog is useless if it doesn't get indexed and linked to.
>>>
>>> Or new stuff published. I suck. But I can suck outside of usenet as
>>> well.
>>
>> You suck less then everyone that went away. IMHO.
>
> Oh, come one. Sparing the one or other troll they were alright. And they
> seem to have something of a life instead of wating their time in this
> dump.
It wasn't a dump before we came here.
>>>>>>>>>> And your stories are very easy to write sequels for by their very
>>>>>>>>>> nature. So you will never run out of stuff to write.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You think so? Their nature is actually quite closed. Or will be once I
>>>>>>>>> write the end.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have never seen you finish a story here on AGC :-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That's because people stopped reacting to A and B and C aren't done yet.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I never stopped reacting!
>>>>>
>>>>> Before that.
>>>>
>>>> Ah, temporal gaps.
>>>
>>> And me being fed up. Besides, I finished one. OK, I wrote in a single
>>> night when I couldn't sleep, but I *did* finish it.
>>
>> I will check it out soon!
>>
>> Hope I still remember all the characters...
>
> You already read it. We talked about it. As usual nobody really cares.
You should at least publish an ending for it!
>>>>>> Not sure why this is happening, but you have to be a madman to
>>>>>> understand the mind of a CEO! (assuming they have one).
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, they *did* buy themselves hardware shop for their database
>>>>> management systems and MySQL. It *does* make sense.
>>>>
>>>> Nothing big corporations do makes any sense to me. It is all
>>>> egotistical pursuit of extremely large sums of money. By making random
>>>> decisions based on nothing.
>>>
>>> Well spoken, but not quite true, I'm afraid. I just makes sense a very
>>> senseless and scary way. That's all.
>>
>> You don't see the 'unsuccessful' corporate leaders.
>>
>> I bet it is 50 - 50. Pure chance.
>
> I don't bet.
Why do you think no one saw the recession coming? Answer: No one has a
clue. And the ones who do aren't listened to because no one is smart
enough to validate their claims.
>>>>>>>>>> She is the kind of girl that will burn the meat when she cooks normal
>>>>>>>>>> food. So I normally do the cooking.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hey, I can do that.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The burning bit, or the cooking bit?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The former. A little of the latter.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best way to learn how to cook, is making lots of mistakes when you are
>>>>>> learning! And to remember when a dish turns out right!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I burned eggs when I was very young. Now I make complex dishes like
>>>>>> spaghetti with instant sauce!
>>>>>
>>>>> Erm, yes...
>>>>
>>>> One day I hope to have my own cooking program on television.
>>>
>>> You know what: I'd watch it (if I could get it on TV), even if I
>>> probably couldn't understand much of anything. Just because.
>>
>> I'll announce the channel and time when they broadcast it!
>
> OK.
I just need a lovely assistant to help me during the presentation.
>>>> The question is, had I carried a gun, would I still have worn the
>>>> t-shirt?
>>>
>>> You? Unlikely. What would have been the point?
>>
>> The part pointing away from my arm?
>>
>> Nah, killing would get me in trouble. And anger usually ebbs away
>> anyhow. I am no fanatic. I don't need to make the world a 'better'
>> place.
>
> As if guns ever made it better.
If you don't have to clean up afterwards, it is pretty cool I guess.
Why else would people join the army?
emmel
> On 6-11-2010 17:04, emmel wrote:
>> Thus Neo spoke:
>>
>>> On 4-11-2010 20:29, emmel wrote:
>>>> Thus Neo spoke:
>>>>
>> Too much trouble. I'd have to actually get up for that.
>
> Definitely a depression!
In the chair, yeah.
>>>>> Lyrics from Neil Young.
>>>>
>>>> Who probably has had girls chasing after him.
>>>
>>> But he wouldn't want them because they were in love with his image as a
>>> musician. There is more to a musician than being a musician!
>>
>> Sounds as if stupidity is in the package as well.
>
> I have one gf. And she is not the one I fell hopelessly in love with.
> But she is all I need right now.
You make it sound bad.
> I could probably get laid once every few weeks by going 'out'. But I
> know it would make me very unhappy. And if I don't believe myself I can
> listen to some songs that confirm that this is true.
Must be a depressing collection you have.
>>>>>>> You are doing fine so far!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not at all.
>>>>>
>>>>> You seem to be doing fine so far!
>>>>
>>>> I'm hardly every what I seem.
>>>
>>> We can pretend...
>>
>> What's the point.
>
> It is like role playing.
I'll quit.
>>> I have been thinking about her this week. Something about her not doing
>>> well. In some kind of trouble or depression.
>>
>> I hope not. I really liked her.
>
> You should tell her if you get the chance!
As if that's gonna happen.
>>>>>>> I say we think about it, and RP her out next time someone mentions her.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Who? Face it, there's nobody left here. Not even me, really.
>>>>>
>>>>> But you came back!
>>>>
>>>> Just checking if there are any undead I can exploit for my army of
>>>> darkness.
>>>
>>> Sounds like we need to stage a counter invasion into AGLAMI! Wonder if
>>> his benevolent dictator is still reading his group.
>>
>> They are almost as (un)dead. And there's no fun in it any more anyway.
>
> We could make fun of them?
No, thanks. I don't care any more.
>>>>>> I think I like non-computer games best...
>>>>>
>>>>> But they are REAL!
>>>>>
>>>>> Or are you talking about Warhammer 40K?
>>>>
>>>> More like Pen and Paper.
>>>
>>> Warhammer 40K *is* pen and paper. And you get to paint your own
>>> miniatures too!
>>
>> More like Pen and Paper RPGs.
>
> Warhammer 40K has 'codexes' for each race. With lots of rules in them.
> And you need a n-sided dice to play.
Not the same.
> It is really great, if you are into that kind of thing. You just need a
> games workshop near you.
Don't even start. I don't care for miniatures.
>>> I would play it, but I feel more at ease in virtual worlds. Easier to
>>> clean and tidy up than the real world.
>>
>> I don't really care for miniatures. They are so limiting.
>
> You have to build your battlefields too. You can't buy those.
Screw battlefields.
>>>>> I like usenet better.
>>>>> And a blog is useless if it doesn't get indexed and linked to.
>>>>
>>>> Or new stuff published. I suck. But I can suck outside of usenet as
>>>> well.
>>>
>>> You suck less then everyone that went away. IMHO.
>>
>> Oh, come one. Sparing the one or other troll they were alright. And they
>> seem to have something of a life instead of wating their time in this
>> dump.
>
> It wasn't a dump before we came here.
And what does that say about us? Don't even try to answer that one.
>>>> And me being fed up. Besides, I finished one. OK, I wrote in a single
>>>> night when I couldn't sleep, but I *did* finish it.
>>>
>>> I will check it out soon!
>>>
>>> Hope I still remember all the characters...
>>
>> You already read it. We talked about it. As usual nobody really cares.
>
> You should at least publish an ending for it!
Huh? Oh, one more not listening to me. Should have known.
>>>> You know what: I'd watch it (if I could get it on TV), even if I
>>>> probably couldn't understand much of anything. Just because.
>>>
>>> I'll announce the channel and time when they broadcast it!
>>
>> OK.
>
> I just need a lovely assistant to help me during the presentation.
Can I have her number?
>>>>> The question is, had I carried a gun, would I still have worn the
>>>>> t-shirt?
>>>>
>>>> You? Unlikely. What would have been the point?
>>>
>>> The part pointing away from my arm?
>>>
>>> Nah, killing would get me in trouble. And anger usually ebbs away
>>> anyhow. I am no fanatic. I don't need to make the world a 'better'
>>> place.
>>
>> As if guns ever made it better.
>
> If you don't have to clean up afterwards, it is pretty cool I guess.
> Why else would people join the army?
Pure distilled stupidity. And I guess there are those poor chaps who
actually need the money.
emmel
> Neo is a mighty pirate...
There we go again...
>>>> You suck less then everyone that went away. IMHO.
>>>
>>> Oh, come one. Sparing the one or other troll they were alright. And they
>>> seem to have something of a life instead of wating their time in this
>>> dump.
>>
>> It wasn't a dump before we came here.
>
> buy some new clothes!!
>
> perfect shiny table cloths yet we will live forevers
You sound as awful lot like a confused marketing droid. And I don't even
care.
Neo
> Neo is a mighty pirate...
>
>>
>> I have one gf. And she is not the one I fell hopelessly in love with.
>> But she is all I need right now.
>>
>> I could probably get laid once every few weeks by going 'out'. But I
>> know it would make me very unhappy. And if I don't believe myself I can
>> listen to some songs that confirm that this is true.
>
> awesome!! aks the frog, the painted bird, and the butcher
You can have nuclear wars without getting laid..
>>> What's the point.
>>
>> It is like role playing.
>
> 12 void dragoons invade your basins + hax03 YO
How can void dragoons be in my basins? If they are void..
Neo
--
Everything that has a beginning and an end, also has something in
between.
Neo
> Thus Neo spoke:
>
>> On 6-11-2010 17:04, emmel wrote:
>>> Thus Neo spoke:
>>>
>>>> On 4-11-2010 20:29, emmel wrote:
>>>>> Thus Neo spoke:
>>>>>
>>> Too much trouble. I'd have to actually get up for that.
>>
>> Definitely a depression!
>
> In the chair, yeah.
As Iggy Pop put it:
"You'll be frying of your hair. In that little electric chair".
>>>>>> Lyrics from Neil Young.
>>>>>
>>>>> Who probably has had girls chasing after him.
>>>>
>>>> But he wouldn't want them because they were in love with his image as a
>>>> musician. There is more to a musician than being a musician!
>>>
>>> Sounds as if stupidity is in the package as well.
>>
>> I have one gf. And she is not the one I fell hopelessly in love with.
>> But she is all I need right now.
>
> You make it sound bad.
When you get older, you get more in control of your emotions.
And you know what to expect and what not to expect from the world
around you.
iow. You get wiser.
>> I could probably get laid once every few weeks by going 'out'. But I
>> know it would make me very unhappy. And if I don't believe myself I can
>> listen to some songs that confirm that this is true.
>
> Must be a depressing collection you have.
Swans is the worst. I really recommend it in your state of mind. It is
so depressing and slow and theatrical, that it just makes you smile no
matter how depressed you really are.
>>>>>>>> You are doing fine so far!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Not at all.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You seem to be doing fine so far!
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm hardly every what I seem.
>>>>
>>>> We can pretend...
>>>
>>> What's the point.
>>
>> It is like role playing.
>
> I'll quit.
No power emotes!!
>>>> I have been thinking about her this week. Something about her not doing
>>>> well. In some kind of trouble or depression.
>>>
>>> I hope not. I really liked her.
>>
>> You should tell her if you get the chance!
>
> As if that's gonna happen.
I was a bit worried that Red Dragon was a reference to the serial
killer in the Hannibal the Cannibal books the movies are based upon.
Since she makes her own soap and stuff.
She always seemed a bit scary to me. But I liked her too. (When she got
out of the portrait).
>>>>>>>> I say we think about it, and RP her out next time someone mentions her.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Who? Face it, there's nobody left here. Not even me, really.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But you came back!
>>>>>
>>>>> Just checking if there are any undead I can exploit for my army of
>>>>> darkness.
>>>>
>>>> Sounds like we need to stage a counter invasion into AGLAMI! Wonder if
>>>> his benevolent dictator is still reading his group.
>>>
>>> They are almost as (un)dead. And there's no fun in it any more anyway.
>>
>> We could make fun of them?
>
> No, thanks. I don't care any more.
Come on! You will feel better if you do.
>>>>>>> I think I like non-computer games best...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But they are REAL!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Or are you talking about Warhammer 40K?
>>>>>
>>>>> More like Pen and Paper.
>>>>
>>>> Warhammer 40K *is* pen and paper. And you get to paint your own
>>>> miniatures too!
>>>
>>> More like Pen and Paper RPGs.
>>
>> Warhammer 40K has 'codexes' for each race. With lots of rules in them.
>> And you need a n-sided dice to play.
>
> Not the same.
>
>> It is really great, if you are into that kind of thing. You just need a
>> games workshop near you.
>
> Don't even start. I don't care for miniatures.
>
>>>> I would play it, but I feel more at ease in virtual worlds. Easier to
>>>> clean and tidy up than the real world.
>>>
>>> I don't really care for miniatures. They are so limiting.
>>
>> You have to build your battlefields too. You can't buy those.
>
> Screw battlefields.
Then explain to me what the difference is between pen and paper and
WH40K.
>>>>>> I like usenet better.
>>>>>> And a blog is useless if it doesn't get indexed and linked to.
>>>>>
>>>>> Or new stuff published. I suck. But I can suck outside of usenet as
>>>>> well.
>>>>
>>>> You suck less then everyone that went away. IMHO.
>>>
>>> Oh, come one. Sparing the one or other troll they were alright. And they
>>> seem to have something of a life instead of wating their time in this
>>> dump.
>>
>> It wasn't a dump before we came here.
>
> And what does that say about us? Don't even try to answer that one.
I think we did a good job! Given our limited capabilities in changing
this group.
>>>>> And me being fed up. Besides, I finished one. OK, I wrote in a single
>>>>> night when I couldn't sleep, but I *did* finish it.
>>>>
>>>> I will check it out soon!
>>>>
>>>> Hope I still remember all the characters...
>>>
>>> You already read it. We talked about it. As usual nobody really cares.
>>
>> You should at least publish an ending for it!
>
> Huh? Oh, one more not listening to me. Should have known.
You mean one of your stories really has an ending now?
Not the story with Aya and the Christmas story?
>>>>> You know what: I'd watch it (if I could get it on TV), even if I
>>>>> probably couldn't understand much of anything. Just because.
>>>>
>>>> I'll announce the channel and time when they broadcast it!
>>>
>>> OK.
>>
>> I just need a lovely assistant to help me during the presentation.
>
> Can I have her number?
Hum. I was thinking of you...
If you still want to now that you know..
>>>>>> The question is, had I carried a gun, would I still have worn the
>>>>>> t-shirt?
>>>>>
>>>>> You? Unlikely. What would have been the point?
>>>>
>>>> The part pointing away from my arm?
>>>>
>>>> Nah, killing would get me in trouble. And anger usually ebbs away
>>>> anyhow. I am no fanatic. I don't need to make the world a 'better'
>>>> place.
>>>
>>> As if guns ever made it better.
>>
>> If you don't have to clean up afterwards, it is pretty cool I guess.
>> Why else would people join the army?
>
> Pure distilled stupidity. And I guess there are those poor chaps who
> actually need the money.
And those that watched too much rambo when they were too young to watch
it and put it in the right perspective.
It is like "Fire everything, turret 360 degrees turn".
Neo
--
emmel
> On 29-11-2010 14:44, emmel wrote:
>> Thus Neo spoke:
>>
>>> On 6-11-2010 17:04, emmel wrote:
>>>> Thus Neo spoke:
>>>>
>>>>> On 4-11-2010 20:29, emmel wrote:
>>>>>> Thus Neo spoke:
>>>>>>
>>>> Too much trouble. I'd have to actually get up for that.
>>>
>>> Definitely a depression!
>>
>> In the chair, yeah.
>
> As Iggy Pop put it:
> "You'll be frying of your hair. In that little electric chair".
>
>>>>>>> Lyrics from Neil Young.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Who probably has had girls chasing after him.
>>>>>
>>>>> But he wouldn't want them because they were in love with his image as a
>>>>> musician. There is more to a musician than being a musician!
>>>>
>>>> Sounds as if stupidity is in the package as well.
>>>
>>> I have one gf. And she is not the one I fell hopelessly in love with.
>>> But she is all I need right now.
>>
>> You make it sound bad.
>
> When you get older, you get more in control of your emotions.
> And you know what to expect and what not to expect from the world
> around you.
>
> iow. You get wiser.
Depressed, you mean. Disillusioned. Desperate. And at some point dead.
>>> I could probably get laid once every few weeks by going 'out'. But I
>>> know it would make me very unhappy. And if I don't believe myself I can
>>> listen to some songs that confirm that this is true.
>>
>> Must be a depressing collection you have.
>
> Swans is the worst. I really recommend it in your state of mind. It is
> so depressing and slow and theatrical, that it just makes you smile no
> matter how depressed you really are.
>
>>>>>>>>> You are doing fine so far!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Not at all.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You seem to be doing fine so far!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm hardly every what I seem.
>>>>>
>>>>> We can pretend...
>>>>
>>>> What's the point.
>>>
>>> It is like role playing.
>>
>> I'll quit.
>
> No power emotes!!
?
>>>>> I have been thinking about her this week. Something about her not doing
>>>>> well. In some kind of trouble or depression.
>>>>
>>>> I hope not. I really liked her.
>>>
>>> You should tell her if you get the chance!
>>
>> As if that's gonna happen.
>
> I was a bit worried that Red Dragon was a reference to the serial
> killer in the Hannibal the Cannibal books the movies are based upon.
>
> Since she makes her own soap and stuff.
>
> She always seemed a bit scary to me. But I liked her too. (When she got
> out of the portrait).
Scary? Never felt that.
>>>>>>>>> I say we think about it, and RP her out next time someone mentions her.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Who? Face it, there's nobody left here. Not even me, really.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But you came back!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just checking if there are any undead I can exploit for my army of
>>>>>> darkness.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sounds like we need to stage a counter invasion into AGLAMI! Wonder if
>>>>> his benevolent dictator is still reading his group.
>>>>
>>>> They are almost as (un)dead. And there's no fun in it any more anyway.
>>>
>>> We could make fun of them?
>>
>> No, thanks. I don't care any more.
>
> Come on! You will feel better if you do.
Nope.
>>>>> I would play it, but I feel more at ease in virtual worlds. Easier to
>>>>> clean and tidy up than the real world.
>>>>
>>>> I don't really care for miniatures. They are so limiting.
>>>
>>> You have to build your battlefields too. You can't buy those.
>>
>> Screw battlefields.
>
> Then explain to me what the difference is between pen and paper and
> WH40K.
Less miniatures. Less dies.
>>>>>>> I like usenet better.
>>>>>>> And a blog is useless if it doesn't get indexed and linked to.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Or new stuff published. I suck. But I can suck outside of usenet as
>>>>>> well.
>>>>>
>>>>> You suck less then everyone that went away. IMHO.
>>>>
>>>> Oh, come one. Sparing the one or other troll they were alright. And they
>>>> seem to have something of a life instead of wating their time in this
>>>> dump.
>>>
>>> It wasn't a dump before we came here.
>>
>> And what does that say about us? Don't even try to answer that one.
>
> I think we did a good job! Given our limited capabilities in changing
> this group.
Erm... No.
>>>>>> And me being fed up. Besides, I finished one. OK, I wrote in a single
>>>>>> night when I couldn't sleep, but I *did* finish it.
>>>>>
>>>>> I will check it out soon!
>>>>>
>>>>> Hope I still remember all the characters...
>>>>
>>>> You already read it. We talked about it. As usual nobody really cares.
>>>
>>> You should at least publish an ending for it!
>>
>> Huh? Oh, one more not listening to me. Should have known.
>
> You mean one of your stories really has an ending now?
> Not the story with Aya and the Christmas story?
Maybe story is said too much... But you are old enough. You can find it
if you want.
>>>>>> You know what: I'd watch it (if I could get it on TV), even if I
>>>>>> probably couldn't understand much of anything. Just because.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'll announce the channel and time when they broadcast it!
>>>>
>>>> OK.
>>>
>>> I just need a lovely assistant to help me during the presentation.
>>
>> Can I have her number?
>
> Hum. I was thinking of you...
> If you still want to now that you know..
Lovely? Me? And I can't even understand Dutch, not to mention speak it.
>>>>>>> The question is, had I carried a gun, would I still have worn the
>>>>>>> t-shirt?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You? Unlikely. What would have been the point?
>>>>>
>>>>> The part pointing away from my arm?
>>>>>
>>>>> Nah, killing would get me in trouble. And anger usually ebbs away
>>>>> anyhow. I am no fanatic. I don't need to make the world a 'better'
>>>>> place.
>>>>
>>>> As if guns ever made it better.
>>>
>>> If you don't have to clean up afterwards, it is pretty cool I guess.
>>> Why else would people join the army?
>>
>> Pure distilled stupidity. And I guess there are those poor chaps who
>> actually need the money.
>
> And those that watched too much rambo when they were too young to watch
> it and put it in the right perspective.
>
> It is like "Fire everything, turret 360 degrees turn".
That's a pretty stupid tactic.
Neo
> Thus Neo spoke:
>
>> On 29-11-2010 14:44, emmel wrote:
>>> Thus Neo spoke:
>>>
>>>> On 6-11-2010 17:04, emmel wrote:
>>>>> Thus Neo spoke:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 4-11-2010 20:29, emmel wrote:
>>>>>>> Thus Neo spoke:
>>>>>>>> Lyrics from Neil Young.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Who probably has had girls chasing after him.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But he wouldn't want them because they were in love with his image as a
>>>>>> musician. There is more to a musician than being a musician!
>>>>>
>>>>> Sounds as if stupidity is in the package as well.
>>>>
>>>> I have one gf. And she is not the one I fell hopelessly in love with.
>>>> But she is all I need right now.
>>>
>>> You make it sound bad.
>>
>> When you get older, you get more in control of your emotions.
>> And you know what to expect and what not to expect from the world
>> around you.
>>
>> iow. You get wiser.
>
> Depressed, you mean. Disillusioned. Desperate. And at some point dead.
There is plenty of ways to lead a satisfying life without finding a new
way to store radioactive isotopes!
<snip>
>>> I'll quit.
>>
>> No power emotes!!
>
> ?
Quitting is a power emote, isn't it?
>>>>>> I have been thinking about her this week. Something about her not doing
>>>>>> well. In some kind of trouble or depression.
>>>>>
>>>>> I hope not. I really liked her.
>>>>
>>>> You should tell her if you get the chance!
>>>
>>> As if that's gonna happen.
>>
>> I was a bit worried that Red Dragon was a reference to the serial
>> killer in the Hannibal the Cannibal books the movies are based upon.
>>
>> Since she makes her own soap and stuff.
>>
>> She always seemed a bit scary to me. But I liked her too. (When she got
>> out of the portrait).
>
> Scary? Never felt that.
Females are always a bit scary to me. Can never tell what goes on in
their minds.
>>>>>>> And me being fed up. Besides, I finished one. OK, I wrote in a single
>>>>>>> night when I couldn't sleep, but I *did* finish it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I will check it out soon!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hope I still remember all the characters...
>>>>>
>>>>> You already read it. We talked about it. As usual nobody really cares.
>>>>
>>>> You should at least publish an ending for it!
>>>
>>> Huh? Oh, one more not listening to me. Should have known.
>>
>> You mean one of your stories really has an ending now?
>> Not the story with Aya and the Christmas story?
>
> Maybe story is said too much... But you are old enough. You can find it
> if you want.
I'll try if I think of it. Why not post it here?
>>>>>>>> The question is, had I carried a gun, would I still have worn the
>>>>>>>> t-shirt?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You? Unlikely. What would have been the point?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The part pointing away from my arm?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nah, killing would get me in trouble. And anger usually ebbs away
>>>>>> anyhow. I am no fanatic. I don't need to make the world a 'better'
>>>>>> place.
>>>>>
>>>>> As if guns ever made it better.
>>>>
>>>> If you don't have to clean up afterwards, it is pretty cool I guess.
>>>> Why else would people join the army?
>>>
>>> Pure distilled stupidity. And I guess there are those poor chaps who
>>> actually need the money.
>>
>> And those that watched too much rambo when they were too young to watch
>> it and put it in the right perspective.
>>
>> It is like "Fire everything, turret 360 degrees turn".
>
> That's a pretty stupid tactic.
You should watch The Beast of War. It is a lovely tactic, when you are
panicking.
I received Syberia I, II and Amerzone by mail this week. I wonder which
one I should play first.
emmel
> There is plenty of ways to lead a satisfying life without finding a new
> way to store radioactive isotopes!
Probably. I don't care.
> Females are always a bit scary to me. Can never tell what goes on in
> their minds.
People are scary. And I can't even tell what's going on in my mind.
>>> You mean one of your stories really has an ending now?
>>> Not the story with Aya and the Christmas story?
>>
>> Maybe story is said too much... But you are old enough. You can find it
>> if you want.
>
> I'll try if I think of it. Why not post it here?
I don't care. Nobody does. It doesn't matter.
> I received Syberia I, II and Amerzone by mail this week. I wonder which
> one I should play first.
Never player Amerzone. Loved Syberia. 3rd missing. Nobody seems to care.
Neo
> Thus Neo spoke:
<snip>
>> their minds.
>
> People are scary. And I can't even tell what's going on in my mind.
Why not ask your parents? They have the proper training for figuring
these kind of things out.
emmel
> On 26-1-2011 10:17, emmel wrote:
>> Thus Neo spoke:
><snip>
>>> Females are always a bit scary to me. Can never tell what goes on in
>>> their minds.
>>
>> People are scary. And I can't even tell what's going on in my mind.
>
> Why not ask your parents? They have the proper training for figuring
> these kind of things out.
You are kidding, right?
Neo
> Thus Neo spoke:
>
>> On 26-1-2011 10:17, emmel wrote:
>>> Thus Neo spoke:
>> <snip>
>>>> Females are always a bit scary to me. Can never tell what goes on in
>>>> their minds.
>>>
>>> People are scary. And I can't even tell what's going on in my mind.
>>
>> Why not ask your parents? They have the proper training for figuring
>> these kind of things out.
>
> You are kidding, right?
Well, they are supposed to act 'professional', with distance. But I am
sure they would make an exception for you. And they won't risk anyone
'professional' to mess up with you.
See it this way, your parents have studied all their lives just to safe
you. This is the one case they can't mess up on.
Neo
> Neo is a mighty pirate...
>
>>>> know it would make me very unhappy. And if I don't believe myself I can
>>>> listen to some songs that confirm that this is true.
>>>
>>> But getting laid causes nuclear wars in your brains, which is teh
>>> awesome!! aks the frog, the painted bird, and the butcher
>>
>> You can have nuclear wars without getting laid..
>
::Neo nukes ervaqre::
::big mushroom explosion vaporises most the the immortal elephant::
Guess you could also go to Japan and start a war there. If you can find
anyone left near the power plants.
>>>> It is like role playing.
>>>
>>> 12 void dragoons invade your basins + hax03 YO
>>
>> How can void dragoons be in my basins? If they are void..
>
> well, it's a new type of dragoon that, by pressing ABBBAB (in that
> order) will turn into real dragoons which will plunder your basins
>
> be prepared. be prepared. be prepared
I haven't seen a real dragon here in a long time. To be honest I
haven't seen much of anything around here for a pretty long time. To be
honest, you are the only person in here with me at this time it seems.
The demise of usenet. How sad. Guess we should move on and start a
facebook account or something. Hmm. It just wouldn't be the same...
Regards to the lone pirate!
emmel
<cue furneral music>
::shoots JNCOBOY in the head::
::stakes it through the heart::
::puts a carrot and a piece of cheese on the table::
::rolls up the carpet::
::switches the lights off::
::locks the doors::
RIP
alt.games.creatures
1997 - 2011
Peace and carrots.
Neo
> Just for the record...
> <cue furneral music>
> ::shoots JNCOBOY in the head::
> ::stakes it through the heart::
>
> ::puts a carrot and a piece of cheese on the table::
> ::rolls up the carpet::
> ::switches the lights off::
> ::locks the doors::
>
> RIP
> alt.games.creatures
> 1997 - 2011
> Peace and carrots.
::takes picture for Facebook::
::clears throat::
::begins long speech summing up everything ever discussed in JNCOBOY::
::in complete darkness::
Damned, why is this door locked??
emmel
> emmel is a mighty pirate...
>
>> Just for the record...
>><cue furneral music>
>>::shoots JNCOBOY in the head::
>>::stakes it through the heart::
>>
>>::puts a carrot and a piece of cheese on the table::
>>::rolls up the carpet::
>>::switches the lights off::
>>::locks the doors::
>>
>> RIP
>> alt.games.creatures
>> 1997 - 2011
>> Peace and carrots.
>
> Oh how I love mortality. It makes me smile with my eyes wide open!
::shoots ervaqre::
emmel
> On 13-7-2011 10:33, emmel wrote:
>> Just for the record...
>> <cue furneral music>
>> ::shoots JNCOBOY in the head::
>> ::stakes it through the heart::
>>
>> ::puts a carrot and a piece of cheese on the table::
>> ::rolls up the carpet::
>> ::switches the lights off::
>> ::locks the doors::
>>
>> RIP
>> alt.games.creatures
>> 1997 - 2011
>> Peace and carrots.
>
>::takes picture for Facebook::
>::clears throat::
>::begins long speech summing up everything ever discussed in JNCOBOY::
>::in complete darkness::
>
> Damned, why is this door locked??
Tsk, what are you doing in here.
::lets Neo out::
There you go. Don't disturb the redead.
Neo
> Thus Neo spoke:
>
>> On 13-7-2011 10:33, emmel wrote:
>>> Just for the record...
>>> <cue furneral music>
>>> ::shoots JNCOBOY in the head::
>>> ::stakes it through the heart::
>>>
>>> ::puts a carrot and a piece of cheese on the table::
>>> ::rolls up the carpet::
>>> ::switches the lights off::
>>> ::locks the doors::
>>>
>>> RIP
>>> alt.games.creatures
>>> 1997 - 2011
>>> Peace and carrots.
>>
>> ::takes picture for Facebook::
>> ::clears throat::
>> ::begins long speech summing up everything ever discussed in JNCOBOY::
>> ::in complete darkness::
>>
>> Damned, why is this door locked??
>
> Tsk, what are you doing in here.
> ::lets Neo out::
> There you go. Don't disturb the redead.
::takes sanity of emmel and Neo out of the sanity bin::
::leaves AGC::
::gives sanity to emmel::
"Here, you'll need that when you go outside"
::cries::
::hugs emmel::
emmel
Never!
>::cries::
>::hugs emmel::
Should old acquaintance be forgot,
and never brought to mind?
Should old acquaintance be forgot,
and old lang syne?
For auld lang syne, my dear,
for auld lang syne,
we'll take a cup of kindness yet,
for auld lang syne.
And surely you’ll buy your pint cup,
and surely I’ll buy mine!
And we'll take a cup o’ kindness yet,
for auld lang syne.
For auld lang syne, my dear,
for auld lang syne,
we'll take a cup of kindness yet,
for auld lang syne.
We two have run about the slopes,
and picked the daisies fine;
But we’ve wandered many a weary foot,
since auld lang syne.
For auld lang syne, my dear,
for auld lang syne,
we'll take a cup of kindness yet,
for auld lang syne.
We two have paddled in the stream,
from morning sun till dine;
But seas between us broad have roared
since auld lang syne.
For auld lang syne, my dear,
for auld lang syne,
we'll take a cup of kindness yet,
for auld lang syne.
And there’s a hand my trusty friend,
And give us a hand o’ thine!
And we’ll take a right good-will draught,
for auld lang syne.
For auld lang syne, my dear,
for auld lang syne,
we'll take a cup of kindness yet,
for auld lang syne.