GH BALANCE
Nan Karahoca
mollies, how do you keep it stable? I'm using the 100x to "age" the water,
but always put too much GH in it, then it soars, then I change the water to
bring it back down. Once it's stable, I put the fish back in and change the
speed back to 1x. So, now do I have to remove them with every major water
change?
nan
lyda...@my-deja.com
back to their fish file when you do this. Why are you having
problems? I sent you the formula for getting the water balanced
correctly - it works perfectly for me. Isn't it working for you? If your
tank is a different size, use math to figure the same percentages.
Let me know if you have trouble.
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Before you buy.
Dave
to 0x speed, change 100% water with chlorine or conditioner for whatever
medication you need, then set the tank back to normal speeds and food and
light times... this save alot of time with fish files.
Dave
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Nan Karahoca
No problems once I learned to wait until the water was stabilized before
putting the fish back in. But before that the GH kept climbing. Dave said
to put the tank at 1x, then do the water change. Won't that cause the GH to
climb when it's put back to 1x?
So far, I've got species separated. No livebearer breedings yet, and no
angels. But I've hatched neon babies, catfish babies, and right now I have
some phantom red tetra eggs.
nan and Sera
lyda...@my-deja.com
Nan Karahoca <an...@enter.net> wrote:
> Lyda,
> No problems once I learned to wait until the water was
stabilized before
> putting the fish back in. But before that the GH kept climbing.
Dave said
> to put the tank at 1x, then do the water change. Won't that cause
the GH to
> climb when it's put back to 1x?
> So far, I've got species separated. No livebearer breedings
yet, and no
> angels. But I've hatched neon babies, catfish babies, and right
now I have
> some phantom red tetra eggs.
Good for you, Nan and Sera! Red Phantom Tetra can be quite
picky about breeding and YOU DID IT! I do all the stuff for
changing the water at 1x and only speed it up to 100x after the
water is changed and the medication is in the tank. When the
chlorine is gone and conditions are OK (about 15 minutes for
guppies, mollies, platys), I put the tank at 1x, get the fish back,
make sure the food timer is set, and put on a romantic record and
wait for them to get in the mood. If they're stubborn, I may put the
tank at 100x for just a second or two (do this when they're 100%
full and 100% healthy). Sometimes, this encourages them to get
friendly. If the fullness zooms to 0%, be sure to feed immediately
and adjust the timer accordingly. Remember, just do this for a
second or twoand never more often than once every day or two. I've
heard that some people do this for much longer (like 20 minutes),
but I don't recommend it. Be patient, sing romantic songs, and
before long you'll have more mollies than you know what to do
with. Good luck and keep in touch.
Lyda
>
> nan and Sera
Dave
your fish.
"Nan Karahoca" <an...@enter.net> wrote in message
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> Lyda,
> No problems once I learned to wait until the water was stabilized
before
> putting the fish back in. But before that the GH kept climbing. Dave
said
> to put the tank at 1x, then do the water change. Won't that cause the GH
to
> climb when it's put back to 1x?
> So far, I've got species separated. No livebearer breedings yet, and
no
> angels. But I've hatched neon babies, catfish babies, and right now I
have
> some phantom red tetra eggs.
>
> nan and Sera
lyda...@my-deja.com
"Dave" <da...@ring18.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
> no no, set it to 0x.... putting it at 1x and doing a 100% will just kill
> your fish.
Dave, Nooooooo, you don't understand. I meant for you to take the
fish out of the tank before you do a complete water change. I've
heard that you can do it with the fish in the tank, but I'm too chicken
to try that.
>
> "Nan Karahoca" <an...@enter.net> wrote in message
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> > Lyda,
> > No problems once I learned to wait until the water was
stabilized
> before
> > putting the fish back in. But before that the GH kept climbing.
Dave
> said
> > to put the tank at 1x, then do the water change. Won't that
cause the GH
> to
> > climb when it's put back to 1x?
> > So far, I've got species separated. No livebearer breedings
yet, and
> no
> > angels. But I've hatched neon babies, catfish babies, and right
now I
> have
> > some phantom red tetra eggs.
> >
> > nan and Sera
> >
> > >>
Dave
timers, water chemistry, temperature, etc all stop changing when at 0x.
Once set at 0x, go into the change water section, and do as bigger water
change as possible, az doesnt actually allow for 100% changes, so some nh3
or other chemicals will still be present, which is why i change the whole
lot twice to get rid of it... trust me, all my guppy warping, angel
breeding, mekasia achievments were done with this technique, i wouldn't tell
someone to try something unless i knew it would work... why not set up a
small tank with a few fish and try it on that one if you're still scared to
try it?
Dave
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lyda...@my-deja.com
"Dave" <da...@ring18.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
> setting the tank at 0x stop ALL aquarium features. Food timers,
light
> timers, water chemistry, temperature, etc all stop changing when
at 0x.
> Once set at 0x, go into the change water section, and do as
bigger water
> change as possible, az doesnt actually allow for 100% changes,
so some nh3
> or other chemicals will still be present, which is why i change the
whole
> lot twice to get rid of it... trust me, all my guppy warping, angel
> breeding, mekasia achievments were done with this technique, i
wouldn't tell
> someone to try something unless i knew it would work... why not
set up a
> small tank with a few fish and try it on that one if you're still
scared to
> try it?
> Dave
You have talked me into it! I'm going to try it tonight and I will let you
know. I'll do anything if it means less trouble in the long run.
Thanks for the advice and I will let you know what happens.
Lyda
Nan Karahoca
nan
> From: "Dave" <da...@ring18.fsnet.co.uk>
> Organization: Customer of Energis Squared
> Newsgroups: alt.games.aquazone
> Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 09:12:19 +0100
> Subject: Re: GH BALANCE
>
> setting the tank at 0x stop ALL aquarium features. Food timers, light
> timers, water chemistry, temperature, etc all stop changing when at 0x.
> Once set at 0x, go into the change water section, and do as bigger water
> change as possible, az doesnt actually allow for 100% changes, so some nh3
> or other chemicals will still be present, which is why i change the whole
> lot twice to get rid of it... trust me, all my guppy warping, angel
> breeding, mekasia achievments were done with this technique, i wouldn't tell
> someone to try something unless i knew it would work... why not set up a
> small tank with a few fish and try it on that one if you're still scared to
> try it?
> Dave
>
>
Nan Karahoca
Let me think a minute ...(ahem!) So what you are saying, perhaps, is
that when you turn the tank to 0x, it's the same as putting the fish back
into their fish file!!?? So that when you put them back into an altered
tank, they don't go into shock. Right??
Lyda, did it work?
nan
> From: lyda...@my-deja.com
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> Newsgroups: alt.games.aquazone
> Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 14:41:39 GMT
> Subject: Re: GH BALANCE
>
> In article <8nlg1t$a8v$1...@news6.svr.pol.co.uk>,
> "Dave" <da...@ring18.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
>> setting the tank at 0x stop ALL aquarium features. Food timers,
> light
>> timers, water chemistry, temperature, etc all stop changing when
> at 0x.
>> Once set at 0x, go into the change water section, and do as
> bigger water
>> change as possible, az doesnt actually allow for 100% changes,
> so some nh3
>> or other chemicals will still be present, which is why i change the
> whole
>> lot twice to get rid of it... trust me, all my guppy warping, angel
>> breeding, mekasia achievments were done with this technique, i
> wouldn't tell
>> someone to try something unless i knew it would work... why not
> set up a
>> small tank with a few fish and try it on that one if you're still
> scared to
>> try it?
>> Dave
>
> You have talked me into it! I'm going to try it tonight and I will let you
> know. I'll do anything if it means less trouble in the long run.
> Thanks for the advice and I will let you know what happens.
>
> Lyda
>>
Dave
trust me, that is the method i always use, 0x, then 100% changes (two of
them to get rid of nh3 completely), and you can use gh medicine to get gh
levels where you want. basically, as far as the tank is concerned, the fish
are not in there.
Dave
"Nan Karahoca" <an...@enter.net> wrote in message
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lyda...@my-deja.com
"Dave" <da...@ring18.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
> lol
> trust me, that is the method i always use, 0x, then 100%
changes (two of
> them to get rid of nh3 completely), and you can use gh medicine
to get gh
> levels where you want. basically, as far as the tank is
concerned, the fish
> are not in there.
> Dave
OK, Dave, I tried it. I did exactly what you said and, you're right, the
fish were not affected, BUT... I changed the water for my guppies
and when I set the tank to 1x after I finished, there was 1.100
chlorine in the tank and the Ph level was 7.0 and the Gh level was
4.0 when it should have been higher according to the medicine I
put in the tank. The chlorine level at 1.100 is lethal. Was I
supposed to wait around until it dissipated? Wouldn't this put my
fish at risk? Thanks, but no thanks. I'm still chicken.
Lyda
>
> "Nan Karahoca" <an...@enter.net> wrote in message
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Dave
of the colour bars of the different chemicals in the change water screen.
So, when you change all the water, and then place your medication WITH the
new water (dont put it in after you have added the water), you must then
clcik on the little colour bar of the GH and chlorine to make it change to
what it should be. Whrn making water changes as i do, follow these steps:
1: Change water change level as high as possible
2: Add medicines that are needed (chlorine, GH etc...)
3: Click on a few of the chemical level bars (either colour)
4: Once definate that the gh and chlorine is cool, click to change the
water....
That always works for me, never once lost a fish or had a fish lose health
in that process.
Dave
<lyda...@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:8nofmu$8ib$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> In article <8no654$neh$1...@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk>,
> "Dave" <da...@ring18.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
> > lol
> > trust me, that is the method i always use, 0x, then 100%
> changes (two of
> > them to get rid of nh3 completely), and you can use gh medicine
> to get gh
> > levels where you want. basically, as far as the tank is
> concerned, the fish
> > are not in there.
> > Dave
>
> OK, Dave, I tried it. I did exactly what you said and, you're right, the
> fish were not affected, BUT... I changed the water for my guppies
> and when I set the tank to 1x after I finished, there was 1.100
> chlorine in the tank and the Ph level was 7.0 and the Gh level was
> 4.0 when it should have been higher according to the medicine I
> put in the tank. The chlorine level at 1.100 is lethal. Was I
> supposed to wait around until it dissipated? Wouldn't this put my
> fish at risk? Thanks, but no thanks. I'm still chicken.
>
> Lyda
> >
> > "Nan Karahoca" <an...@enter.net> wrote in message
> > news:B5C4C4CC.F43%an...@enter.net...
lyda...@my-deja.com
"Dave" <da...@ring18.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
> no, when you change the water, AZ has a bug where you have to
click on one
> of the colour bars of the different chemicals in the change water
screen.
> So, when you change all the water, and then place your
medication WITH the
> new water (dont put it in after you have added the water), you
must then
> clcik on the little colour bar of the GH and chlorine to make it
change to
> what it should be. Whrn making water changes as i do, follow
these steps:
> 1: Change water change level as high as possible
> 2: Add medicines that are needed (chlorine, GH etc...)
> 3: Click on a few of the chemical level bars (either colour)
> 4: Once definate that the gh and chlorine is cool, click to change
the
> water....
> That always works for me, never once lost a fish or had a fish
lose health
> in that process.
> Dave
Dave, I did this! I did exactly what you said and it still didn't work.
I've never been able to get the color bar trick to work and I've
always wondered if it's because I use a MAC. What do you think?
Dave
else with a mac confirm whether or not the same 'colour bar' bug exists in
the change water screen?
Dave
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different. We can't change 100% of the water (about 95%) and the medicine
appears to go into the bucket, before you change it. I haven't had any
problems doing the water change on 0 and I add the meds before I change it.
It doesn't work perfect (conditions wise that is) but so far no one has lost
health, only gained. ;-)
Fal
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> From: "Dave" <da...@ring18.fsnet.co.uk>
> Organization: Customer of Energis Squared
> Newsgroups: alt.games.aquazone
> Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 23:52:48 +0100
> Subject: Re: GH BALANCE
>
Nan Karahoca
Did you lose any fish trying to do this??
nan
> From: lyda...@my-deja.com
> Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy.
> Newsgroups: alt.games.aquazone
> Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 21:43:33 GMT
> Subject: Re: GH BALANCE
>
lyda...@my-deja.com
Nan, no, I didn't lose any fish because when I realized that the
chlorine level was elevated, I immediately went from 1x to 0x. In
order to get the water where it should be, I will have to remove the
fish and do it the way I've been doing it, just like the directions I
sent you. I really think this may have something to do with the MAC
version vs. the Windoze version. Anyway, I'm going to play it safe. I
love my fish and I don't want their demise on my conscience.
lyda...@my-deja.com
Falameezer <falam...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> I think you will find that the change water section on a Mac is
VERY
> different. We can't change 100% of the water (about 95%) and
the medicine
> appears to go into the bucket, before you change it. I haven't had
any
> problems doing the water change on 0 and I add the meds
before I change it.
> It doesn't work perfect (conditions wise that is) but so far no one
has lost
> health, only gained. ;-)
>
> Fal
OK, I'm going to keep trying, but I'm still skeptical and that chlorine
residue worries me. BTW, I LOVE your website. Thank you for
bringing Mirra's fantastic accessories to us MAC people. I cannot
download either #2 or #6 under Rocks - something about a page
missing. I'm anxiously awaiting more stuff from you - can I help?
Lyda
Dave
really mean as high as it will allow you to go.
The method is the same (just been confirmed by someone with a mac i have
spoken to) and they now happily use the method i mentioned, no fish loss, no
fish health loss, no damage at all.... follow exactly how i said, and it
will work. by the way, it is also the same for mac as it is for windows on
the change water screen, in order to make sure everything changes properly,
you must click around a few of the 'graphs' or 'bar's by the chemicals.
this ensures that everything is okey dokey... Lyda, you do not have to
remove your fish as long as the tank is at 0x... if the tank is at 0x, the
fish dont exist within the tank, and they cannot be harmed no matter how
many times you change the water in order to get it right. just keep on
doing it until you find the perfect amount of medicine to add, and then i
assure you it will work... if you would only give the method a proper
chance, it will greatly increase your az production of fry, and healthy
fish.
Dave
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Dave, I am determined to get this right. I really will keep trying. I
assure you that I'm doing everything you say, but I will persist. I
agree with all you say - the fish are not harmed at 0x, etc., but my
only worry is that the chemical levels of the water after I do all that,
including clicking on the color bars, is still not right and so I'm
nervous about going to 1x. Oh well... BTW, I have no problems with
fry and fish - I've got hundreds, but if this can be less trouble, I'm all
for it. Thanks for all the great advice and patience - I will let you
know how I'm doing.
Lyda
Nan Karahoca
I'm having the same problem as Lyda - so maybe I'm missing something in
the instructions. When I do as you instruct, when the tank is back to 1X,
the GH med, or PH down med, continues to work - causing fear and dread in me
and an immediate switch back to 0x, removal of fish, and another water
change.
Am I too paranoid?
nan
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> Organization: Customer of Energis Squared
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> Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 08:12:06 +0100
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Nan Karahoca <an...@enter.net> wrote:
> Dave,
> I'm having the same problem as Lyda - so maybe I'm missing
something in
> the instructions. When I do as you instruct, when the tank is
back to 1X,
> the GH med, or PH down med, continues to work - causing fear
and dread in me
> and an immediate switch back to 0x, removal of fish, and another
water
> change.
> Am I too paranoid?
>
> nan
Nan, you are not too paranoid. It just doesn't seem to work well
enough for me to trust the lives of my fish to this method. Now, I'm
still working on it to see if I can't make it work, but I'm being really
careful. You're doing the right thing - leaving fish in a tank at 1x with
chlorine is a death sentence. Don't do it. BTW, did you get the
accessories I sent you and did they come through OK?
Sometimes, they don't. Please let me know.
Lyda
Falameezer
currently working on movine the site to Xoom.com and adding all the
accessories Kay has graciously allowed me to post on my site. I'll post here
when it's ready
Thanx Kay & Mirra!
Fal
> From: lyda...@my-deja.com
> Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy.
> Newsgroups: alt.games.aquazone
> Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 01:38:59 GMT
> Subject: Re: GH BALANCE
>