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Jeff Paulsen

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Nov 17, 2000, 3:00:00 AM11/17/00
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25 years ago I bought a BASIC D&D set but could never find anyone to play.  I now have kids that I want to play with; I'll have to be the DM.  I also want to play adventures at Macray's Keep and have generated Level 1 characters via an online generator.

I plan on playing with my kids the B2 module The Keep on the Borderlands and then the B3 game Palace of the Silver Princess.  I am now totally confused and ask these questions on situation #1.  I only have access to to a BASIC paperback rules book of 45 pages.
    1.    What is meant by HD 1+1?  What differentiates it from HD 1 and HD2?  This is used for determinations of experience, right?

    2.    Explain the following abbreviations -AC 5, F3, HP 15, #AT 3, D 1-6/1-4/1-6, MV 20, Save F3, ML 8, AL C.
            a.    AC = Armor class - I understand
            b.    F# = ?  Got me!
            c.    HP = I understand
            d.    #AT = attacks/melee round?
            e.    D = type of dice, but why 3 different ways?
            f.    MV = ? Mildly violent???
            g.    Save F3 = ???
            h.    ML = morale?
            i.    AL = alignment?
 

For the character I generated using online generator.
    1.    I have a generated table that looks like this -
                                                                                                                                 Damage    
        Weapon    #AT     STR    DEX    Magic    Back    SPD    4    3    2    1    0    -1    SM/L        STR   Magic    Prof
        Blowgun                                                                            16  17  18  19  20   20   1d3/1d2
 

What I don't                    ?            ?        ?            ?         ?       ?    ?     ?   ?    ?    ?     Why 2          ?         ?          ?
understand                                                                                                                   and how
                                                                                                                                   do you use a 3 or 2 sided die?
                                                                                                                                   what does SM or L mean?
                                                                                                                                   small and large?

    2.    Is this AD&D and which edition?
    3.    Are there advanced rules that I can find on the internet?
    4.    How do I determine THACO?

I have played many computer games using D&D rules but the manuals don't explain the behind the scenes actions.

Thanks for any help that you can give me.  I'm sure I'll have more questions as we get started.

Jeff Paulsen

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Nov 17, 2000, 3:00:00 AM11/17/00
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Aaron Day

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Jeff Paulsen wrote:
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> 1. What is meant by HD 1+1? What differentiates it from HD 1 and HD2? This is used for determinations of experience, right?

HD are 1d8. HD1+1 means 1d8 + 1 extra hit point.


> 2. Explain the following abbreviations -AC 5, F3, HP 15, #AT 3, D 1-6/1-4/1-6, MV 20, Save F3, ML 8, AL C.

> b. F# = ? Got me!

F3 means third level fighter

> d. #AT = attacks/melee round?

Yes

> e. D = type of dice, but why 3 different ways?

Thats the damage for each of the three attacks. 1d6, 1d4 and 1d6

> f. MV = ? Mildly violent???

Move. 20 ft per round.

> g. Save F3 = ???

Save as a third level fighter

> h. ML = morale?
> i. AL = alignment?

Right and right



>
> For the character I generated using online generator.
> 1. I have a generated table that looks like this -
> Damage
> Weapon #AT STR DEX Magic Back SPD 4 3 2 1 0 -1 SM/L STR Magic Prof
> Blowgun 16 17 18 19 20 20 1d3/1d2

You've used and Advanced D&D generator. This stuff is only kinda compatible with Basic D&D

> Thanks for any help that you can give me. I'm sure I'll have more questions as we get started.

Your best bet is to get the Adventure Game (at toy stores in the game section in a giant yellow box). The newer version is way more consistant on how it presents stats. That alone makes it easier to follow. If you would rather continue with the Basic stuff, you will need to track down a copy of the Expert rules. I think I have an extra set, email if interested.


Aaron

Jeff Paulsen

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Aaron Day wrote:

> Your best bet is to get the Adventure Game (at toy stores in the game section in a giant yellow box). The newer version is way more consistant on how it presents stats. That alone makes it easier to follow. If you would rather continue with the Basic stuff, you will need to track down a copy of the Expert rules. I think I have an extra set, email if interested.
>
> Aaron

I am interested in the expert rules so that I can better understand the nuances of the game. I want to kindle a great interest in RPGing with my kids so I can have quality time with them and still kill them off once in a while : )

Thanks for your prompt reply!!

Sniper .308

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On Fri, 17 Nov 2000 16:09:32 -0600, Jeff Paulsen
<jpau...@colby.ixks.com> wrote:

>25 years ago I bought a BASIC D&D set but could never find anyone to
>play. I now have kids that I want to play with; I'll have to be the
>DM. I also want to play adventures at Macray's Keep and have generated
>Level 1 characters via an online generator.
>
>I plan on playing with my kids the B2 module The Keep on the Borderlands
>and then the B3 game Palace of the Silver Princess. I am now totally
>confused and ask these questions on situation #1. I only have access to
>to a BASIC paperback rules book of 45 pages.
> 1. What is meant by HD 1+1? What differentiates it from HD 1 and
>HD2? This is used for determinations of experience, right?

Yes, HD 1+1, means you roll the creatures hit dice and add 1, this
will be its hit points.


> 2. Explain the following abbreviations -AC 5, F3, HP 15, #AT 3, D
>1-6/1-4/1-6, MV 20, Save F3, ML 8, AL C.
> a. AC = Armor class - I understand
> b. F# = ? Got me!

Fighter Level

> c. HP = I understand
> d. #AT = attacks/melee round?

Yes

> e. D = type of dice, but why 3 different ways?

It gets 3 attacks per mele round

> f. MV = ? Mildly violent???

Movement

> g. Save F3 = ???

Saving throws equal to a 3rd level fighter

> h. ML = morale?
Yes

> i. AL = alignment?
Yes

>
>
>For the character I generated using online generator.
> 1. I have a generated table that looks like this -
>
>Damage
> Weapon #AT STR DEX Magic Back SPD 4
>3 2 1 0 -1 SM/L STR Magic Prof
>
>Blowgun
>16 17 18 19 20 20 1d3/1d2
>
>
>What I don't ? ? ?
>? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Why 2
>? ? ?
>understand
>and how
>
>do you use a 3 or 2 sided die?

6 sided dice devided in half (1-3) for Small and Man sized targets,
devided in 1/3 (1-2) for Large targets.

>
>what does SM or L mean?

See above

>
>small and large?

Yep

>
> 2. Is this AD&D and which edition?

It looks to be a very basic form of 1st edition

> 3. Are there advanced rules that I can find on the internet?

Maybe, you will have to look

> 4. How do I determine THACO?

THACO, means To Hit Armor Class 0, it is whatever they need to hit an
AC 0

>
>I have played many computer games using D&D rules but the manuals don't
>explain the behind the scenes actions.
>
>Thanks for any help that you can give me. I'm sure I'll have more
>questions as we get started.

We all had to start somewhere.

Reginald

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Nov 17, 2000, 3:00:00 AM11/17/00
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"Jeff Paulsen" <jpau...@colby.ixks.com> wrote:
>
> 25 years ago I bought a BASIC D&D set but could never find anyone to
> play. I now have kids that I want to play with; I'll have to be the
> DM. I also want to play adventures at Macray's Keep and have
> generated Level 1 characters via an online generator.
>
> I plan on playing with my kids the B2 module The Keep on the
> Borderlands and then the B3 game Palace of the Silver Princess. I
> am now totally confused and ask these questions on situation #1. I
> only have access to to a BASIC paperback rules book of 45 pages.
>
> 1. What is meant by HD 1+1? What differentiates it from HD 1
> and HD2? This is used for determinations of experience, right?

HD means hit die. "1+1" means 1 hit die plus 1 point. Since this is a
monster, the hit die is 1d8. Therefore 1d8 + 1 point = monster's hit
point. HD 1+1 also determines your monster's attack roll (see the
Dungeon Master book).

> 2. Explain the following abbreviations -AC 5, F3, HP 15, #AT 3,
> D 1-6/1-4/1-6, MV 20, Save F3, ML 8, AL C.

> b. F# = ? Got me!

Fighter and level (F3 = 3rd-level Fighter)

> d. #AT = attacks/melee round?

Correct.

> e. D = type of dice, but why 3 different ways?

D stands for damage. The three values represent the weapon damage the
Fighter can inflict (it correspond to the #AT entry above)

> f. MV = ? Mildly violent???

Movement. In the case above, he can move 20 feet per round.

> g. Save F3 = ???

Consult your Player book on Saving Throw. In the case above he uses the
Saving Throw numbers of a 3rd-level Fighter.

> h. ML = morale?
> i. AL = alignment?

Both are correct. Consult the Dungeon Master book with regards to NPC
and Morale.

It has been a long while since I have seen the old D&D boxed set. I can
suggest you should try 3rd edition. It retains a bit of the old boxed
set with some new innovations.


Kieran Dyke

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Nov 17, 2000, 8:25:39 PM11/17/00
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1.
HD 1 means 1 eight sided die. HD 2 means two eight sided die. HD 1+1 means one eight sided die and add 1. For example, Hobgoblins have 2-9 hp.
 
2.   
F3: 3rd level fighter. C6 would be 6th level cleric. Playing old D&D basic rules, D4 would be a fourth level dwarf, etc.
#AT (or sometimes just AT): Attacks per melee round
D: Damage. Not all attacks do the same damage, so a Tiger might be 1-6/1-6/2-12 for 2 claws and a bite.
MV: Movement rate. I can't remember the units used for Basic D&D
Save F3: It has the same saving throws as a 3rd level fighter.
ML: Morale. Measured on a scale of 2 (chicken) to 12 (fanatic).
AL: Alignment.
 
1.  moving across the ?s
Strength bonus to attack rolls.
Dexterity bonus to attack rolls.
Magic bonus to attack rolls.
not sure about BACK
Weapon speed factor.
Columns with numbers - these are a difficult way of expressing THAC0. For THAC0, just take the AC0 column. To calculate the number needed to hit, subtract the target's armour class.
Some weapons deal more (or less) damage to large opponents. A giant probably wouldn't notice a blowgun attack at all. Roll d2 by any method that can produce two random results - eg roll d20 and 1-10=1,11-20=2 or odd=1 and even=2, or flip a coin. Roll d3 by rolling d6 and halving, rounding up.
Strength bonus to damage rolls
Magic bonus to damage rolls
Proficiency bonus to damage rolls.
 
2. Looks like first edition AD&D - original D&D I don't think ever used speed factors. THAC0 was standard terminology by the time 2nd edition came around...this appears to predate it.
 
3. The best way to find advanced rules on the internet is to go to Amazon.com or some other online bookstore and order the three 3rd edition hardcovers. The rules are well thought out and internally consistent. Old hardcovers and stuff may well be released for free or cheap download on www.wizards.com, if you can find your way around the site.
 
4. Answered in the second (1).
 
Tiggrr
 
 
 
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Steve Wolter

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Nov 18, 2000, 3:00:00 AM11/18/00
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On Fri, 17 Nov 2000 16:08:48 -0600, Jeff Paulsen
<jpau...@colby.ixks.com> wrote to alt.games.adnd: (snipped parts of
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>I plan on playing with my kids the B2 module The Keep on the Borderlands
>and then the B3 game Palace of the Silver Princess. I am now totally
>confused and ask these questions on situation #1. I only have access to
>to a BASIC paperback rules book of 45 pages.
> 1. What is meant by HD 1+1? What differentiates it from HD 1 and
>HD2? This is used for determinations of experience, right?

HD = Hit Dice. This is the number of Hit Dice a creature has,
determining the HP for a monster (One Hit Dice is 1d8) and the effects
of some spells and mass combat. HD 1+1 means you roll 1d8 for HP and
add 1, 3+4 would mean you roll 3d8 and add 4.

> b. F# = ? Got me!

Fighter Level 3.

> d. #AT = attacks/melee round?

Yes, attacks per round.

> e. D = type of dice, but why 3 different ways?

It is the damage the creature can do with its natural weapons. For
example, if you want to have your players be attacked by a giant
hamster, you might want to give the hamster two attacks with his
"claws" dealing 1d4 damage and one bang with his head dealing 1d20
damage, the whole thing would be: D 1-4/1-4/1-20

> f. MV = ? Mildly violent???

Movement. Each point of movement lets a character move 5 feet in a
combat round of 10-15 seconds.

> g. Save F3 = ???

Saving throw like Fighter level 3

> h. ML = morale?

Think so.

> i. AL = alignment?

Should be.

>do you use a 3 or 2 sided die?
>
>what does SM or L mean?
>
>small and large?

Against small and middle-sized creatures you use a 3-sided one,
against large ones you throw your d2 (your coin).

> 2. Is this AD&D and which edition?

My guess would be First Edition.

> 3. Are there advanced rules that I can find on the internet?

These are the standard Player's handbook rules. For more advanced
rules, see the Player's Option supplements.

> 4. How do I determine THACO?

It is done in AD&D 2nd Edition that way:
All characters start with 20 THAC0.
For a fighter, the THAC0 is lowered by one point every level.
Priests lower their THAC0 two points every three levels.
Rogue lower their THAC0 one point every two levels.
Mages lower their THAC0 one point every three levels.

>Thanks for any help that you can give me. I'm sure I'll have more
>questions as we get started.

Feel free to ask.

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