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Newsgroups: alt.freemasonry
From: Craftworker <thecraftwor...@yahoo.com>
Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 21:07:40 -0500
Local: Thurs, Jan 6 2005 9:07 pm
Subject: Re: Conditional Ceasefire - Ping Ed
On Fri, 07 Jan 2005 00:16:29 GMT, Ed King <edk...@masonicinfo.com>
wrote: >The first I made in this thread AND have made all along: when a Mason I agree wholeheartedly with the first (criminals) but the "behaving >acts improperly - whether it be behavior such as the serial rapist >Bernardo or you calling people names (or, in your opinion, me writing >'bad' things) - others look at this and say, "I know {so-and-so} is a >Mason and he's done awful stuff. How come you tell us about George >Washington and not him? You're HIDING things." That is, I believe, a >legitimate charge. We have not sworn to protect Masons who violate >civil law nor do we have obligations to 'protect' those behaving >improperly. improperly"? That it often subjective, and I should think oversteps the main purpose of the website. As we have seen the the Perry case, it is most likely better to err on the side of caution. >As I had mentioned here in the past, I had received a 'solicitation' Fair enough. I appreciate you reviewing your position. >from the person you regularly refer to as "Worshipful" or "Past Master" >(without acknowledging, strangely, the MANY of us here hold that >honorific and more) McFarland. His reply to my questions was, to say >the least, less than Masonic. When I have a free weekend, I'm going to >check his book out though my library's e-book service and have a read. >We'll see after that. >> I would also ask that you consider removing the pages for people Like Well, I see two problems at least. One, it makes us look >> Sam Moser, Daryl Carstensen, even the prolific Chris Stevens, and >> stop giving these individuals someone and something to focus their >> aggression on, for the benefit of the Fraternity. >I'm not meaning to have an argument here but I simply do not understand mean-spirited. These are obviously people with mental and emotional problems. Second, if I see a homeless person talking to a building, I don't walk up to them and start an argument, let alone do it for years at a time. A crazy person loves the attention. As long as someone responds, Chris will never stop. But I'll bet any casual observer here can identify him for what he is without a scorecard. I can usually pick up on it within the first two sentences of whatever name he is using at the time. Of course, we have "good guys" who are as bad or worse. David Simpson >Beyond that, when I become the lightning rod for outbursts like that of Better to put the sixguns away, so the indians get bored and quit >Chris and I maintain the 'high ground', it shows in sharp contrast who >wears the white hat! That's my take on it anyway. circling our wagons. ;) >As for Daryl, he was here before I was and gone when I arrived. I think the only reasons he wears it is because it honks us off. He >However, the idea of a porn film producer running around with a Masonic >ring makes me physically sick. Why on earth should I ignore that? >Somewhere, sometime, SOMEONE will write saying, "I knew this guy who >was a porn film maker who was a Mason...." and darn it, it's not so. If >*I* don't record that somewhere, who the heck will? Think they'll put >it on the website for the Grand Lodge of California? I don't >frankly.... gets a response from us. I think 99% of the bad behavior here is simply attention-seeking children. >> If an individual, sane or not, is of the opinion Well, by challenging them and attacking them, we just look mean. And >> Freemasonry is a bad thing, he should have the right to voice that >> opinion without reprisal. We can correct their mistakes here without >> resorting to destroying them publicly as individuals. >Destruction is NEVER my intent. These folks have ALREADY done whatever >I'm not arguing; I'm simply trying to understand the logic here. every now and then, you are going to get the wrong guy. None of us are all-seeing. >No need to leave on my account. There are several who wish to provide All interesting topics. But this nym would always be a lighting rod as >spelling lessons, review rare book matters, and/or plumb the depths of >Al Pike's publisher. And, as I've ALWAYS said, I'm open to >contributions at any time. well. Better to shift and get back in the pool, and hope things improve. Nothing will change if we keep going on the way we are...and I would like to see this newsgroup as something other than a masonic war zone. Bro. Russ, Bro. Bennie, Bro. Renzland....so many good men calling for change. It would be a shame to disappoint them, since our misguilded brothers seem to still believe there is some good left in us. ;) >> Bravo, sir. I hope you mean what you say. Jeff seems to be a very nice guy, very intelligent. I would have liked >Oh, I do. And I certainly hope that Jeff will give us all the to see what he and his friends were trying to accomplish before it got away from them. Perhaps someday, under calmer conditions, that desire can bear fruit. >> Current denizens of the ImpFilter(tm): JB, JLRuble, JDolan Noted, and acting on the plum, revised. ;) >> "Ignoring idiots for a better tomorrow." >Inappropriate Masonic behavior. Frat., Craftworker --- Sig revised as a goodwill gesture. You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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