The Link for FC Fruge and others

JD Kukenbaker

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Jun 11, 2001, 11:22:10 PM6/11/01

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As Fellowcraft Fruge and other requested, here is a link to all the Grand
Lodges of the world.

http://www.bessel.org/gls.htm

S & F,

J.D. Kukenbaker, 33*
Grand Master of the Grand Lodge of Freemasons of North America

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MasonTruth

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Jun 12, 2001, 12:18:04 AM6/12/01

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>Subject: The Link for FC Fruge and others
>From: jdkuke...@aol.com (JD Kukenbaker)
>Date: 6/11/01 8:22 PM Pacific Daylight Time
>Message-id: <20010611232210...@ng-ba1.aol.com>

None of which is the Grand Lodge you claim to be part of... You certanily have
some imagination....I guess there are "wannabe's" in everything including
Masonry...

Sincerely,
MasonTruth
Bro. Manny Blanco (S.W.) Finally
Moreno Valley Lodge # 804
Moreno Valley, CA

"Behold how good and pleasant it is for Brethren to dwell together in unity."

Graham Sanders

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Jun 12, 2001, 2:18:37 AM6/12/01

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in article 20010611232210...@ng-ba1.aol.com, JD Kukenbaker at
jdkuke...@aol.com wrote on 12/6/01 5:22 AM:

> As Fellowcraft Fruge and other requested, here is a link to all the Grand
> Lodges of the world.
>
> http://www.bessel.org/gls.htm
>

Thanks, I took a look, and you have to be careful, because some of these
GL's and not recognized by UGLE

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Graham

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Keith Chesworth

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Jun 12, 2001, 9:45:00 AM6/12/01

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Doubly careful because although they may or may not be recognized by
the UGLoE they may or may not have some sort of relations with yours
if it is not the UGLoE.

It is something which I must admit always causes me to scratch my head
especially when recognition comes up. As the Master of a Lodge in
England I am a member of the UGLoE and supposed to attend their
quarterly meetings. My Lodge being in London means that it comes
directly under the UGLoE rather than via a Provincial GL. When I talk
about international Masonry with GLOs etc then it is always pointed
out that the UGLoE is just that. It has no authority over any other GL
in any other place. So why is the UGLoE nearly always refered to as
the reference for recognition etc?

It is very gratifying of course and, if we British did not have such a
well deserved reputation for being so self depreciating, could lead to
a very swollen head.

Keith J Chesworth W Master Burton Court Lodge 3864 London UGLE
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jaqueira2

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Jun 12, 2001, 2:08:06 PM6/12/01

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W.'. Brother Keith:

>So why is the UGLoE nearly always refered to as
>the reference for recognition etc?
>
>It is very gratifying of course and, if we British did not have such a
>well deserved reputation for being so self depreciating, could lead to
>a very swollen head.

Answering only for myself (and maybe one or two others), prior to 1717 there
existed various independent Lodges that were not tied to each other in any
recognized manner. Once the "union" took place in England of those four Lodges
in 1717, Masonry became an "organization" of Lodges which it remains today.
Current Grand Lodges trace their "legitimacy" back to those four Lodges (as I
am led to believe). Although newer Lodges may not be directly linked to the
UGLoE, they would be indirectly linked via Lodges that have direct linkage. By
the way, the Grand Lodge of New York was a Provincial Grand Lodge empowered by
the Duke of Athol, then Grand Master (1781). At the time of the Revolutionary
War, the Grand Lodge of New York separated from the Grand Lodge of England.
This is the way it was told to me any corrections are welcome.

V.'.W.'. Sam Schwarzman, AGL, GLNY
Treasurer and Past President; Metropolitan Assistant
Grand Lecturers Association (MAGLA)

Keith Chesworth

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Jun 12, 2001, 5:49:51 PM6/12/01

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Quite, I'm not disputing that, although our Scottish Brethren may have
something to say :-)

All that I am saying is that the UGLoE themselves are very quick to
point out that they are but one amongst many all meeting on the level,
which is as it always should be.

(But of course if you Colonists care to pay your back taxes owing to
the Crown, plus interest and asked nicely, I suppose we could take you
back.Then the UGLoE could consider a petition)

Now I'm running like 'ell :-)

Keith J Chesworth

jaqueira2

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Jun 12, 2001, 11:58:51 PM6/12/01

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Keith:

>(But of course if you Colonists care to pay your back taxes owing to
>the Crown, plus interest and asked nicely, I suppose we could take you
>back.Then the UGLoE could consider a petition)

Is that with compounded interest? <BWG>