Message for EA Kirk
JD Kukenbaker
I was receiving from Masons in support of Timothy McVeigh 32*, I had to
temporarily shut the account.
I find it funny that you were going to "report" me to AOL for using a function
that they themselves have built into the software.
As far as not being knowing my Grand Lodge, let me tell you something EA, there
are over 300 Grand Lodges in the U.S.A., many of which I am sure you as an EA
have never heard of. I will gladly e-mail a link to a site listing many of
these Grand Lodges if you want.
Instead of worrying about me, why don't you study for your EA Masonic lessons.
Sincerely and Fraternally,
J.D. Kukenbaker, 33*
Grand Master of the Grand Lodge of Freemasons of North America
steve
Does your Father know you are using his computer again?
be careful JD or he may ground you again, and take away your ice cream tonight.
Steve Sells F&AM
Ossian Lodge #297.
Ossian Indiana
Mike Wells
JD Kukenbaker <jdkuke...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20010611164532...@ng-cm1.aol.com... to Brother Kirk.
> As far as not being knowing my Grand Lodge, let me tell you something EA,
there
> are over 300 Grand Lodges in the U.S.A., many of which I am sure you as an
EA
> have never heard of. I will gladly e-mail a link to a site listing many of
> these Grand Lodges if you want.
Perhaps because Brother Kirk is less aware of the Masonic, quasi-Masonic,
and non-Masonic Grand Lodges that exist in the United States, you deride
rather than educate? For shame! BTW if the website is public, just post the
link to it here.
You were asked, very reasonably IMO, from whence was your Grand Lodge
derived, and what authority conferred your 33rd. Now, rather than
complaining that "mainstream" and PHA Freemasonry do not recognize your
Grand Lodge here is an excellent opportunity to familiarize us with your
story.
> Instead of worrying about me, why don't you study for your EA Masonic
lessons.
That's what he was doing.
Mike Wells
Normal #673 AF&AM Illinois
Collector of old Masonic books
Kirk Richardson
"JD Kukenbaker" <jdkuke...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20010611164532...@ng-cm1.aol.com...
> This e-mail address is NOT a forgery but due to the high number of replies
that
> I was receiving from Masons in support of Timothy McVeigh 32*, I had to
> temporarily shut the account.
Some people will buy anything won't they (referring to 'support' of Mc Veigh
32* even if he were a Mason (which he apparently isn't) I wuldn't/couldn't
'support' him.)? FWIW I have it on good authority that Tim Mc Veigh is/was
not a Mason (not in any body recognized by my GL at any rate, maybe some of
the other bretheren here might have a different insight into this) let alone
32 degree. Perhaps if we are wrong, you could give some supporting info,
what lodge was he raised at, under what GL, What other lodges he received
his degrees (if not all at the same lodge) and the contact info these? I am
most interested in his (non)status as a Mason.
On the subject of degrees, you appear to have missed my question about your
own 33rd degree. Which body conferred your 33 degree, and what signifigance
does it have. I understand these things are done differently from place to
place (for an organization that is seemingly uniform, landmarks, rituals
constitutions etc are amazingly different), so I was curious how your
experience would compare to those of some people I know.
>
> I find it funny that you were going to "report" me to AOL for using a
function
> that they themselves have built into the software.
My bad, apologies.
>
> As far as not being knowing my Grand Lodge, let me tell you something EA,
there
> are over 300 Grand Lodges in the U.S.A., many of which I am sure you as an
EA
> have never heard of. I will gladly e-mail a link to a site listing many of
> these Grand Lodges if you want.
Actually, you would be surprised at how many GL's I am aware of (Visited
some sites in the UK and Russia this week, GLoF the week b4). Whilst I am
hardly aware of them all (is 300+ in the US alone accurate? Almost 6 for
each state?), I find it strange that no-one else I know knows anything about
a GLNA. Of course I am only aware of AF&AM, PH, and A&FM ( I think I got the
latter right, extremely tired, too many double shifts). If your GL is other
than these and, then I understand why no-one has heard of it. In which case
my apologies for the misunderstanding.
>
> Instead of worrying about me, why don't you study for your EA Masonic
lessons.
Study FOR my lessons? They must do things differently in the GLNA. FWIW I
was working on them in a way. Making sure that all those I converse with
that make a claim of being Masonic are. Things didn't add up so I questioned
( I recently questioned somebody about their red apron, they didn't get so
defensive BTW). I wasn't worrying about you, I was worrying about me. In
case I might want to exchange e-mail with you in the future, I need to know
what I can and cannot discuss with you. I was also slightly worried (given
the unlikely information you provided here) that you might just be someone
with a bone to pick posing as a Mason to give the fraternity a black eye.
I can only conclude, in the absence of any supporting evidence to the
contrary that your GL is either clandestine or spurious. Either way it
matters not, as I will only be able to discuss with you the same subjects I
would discuss with non-Masons (which really doesn't leave out to much :) ),
and that if Mc Veigh was raised in your gL, it has nthing to d with the
Masonic organization I belong to. Maybe someday the GLNA will seek
recognition with my GL.
Kirk Richardson EA
Clifton Lodge 254