OT: 'Oldest' prehistoric art found
jDolan
70,000+ years old!
photos, story:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_1753000/1753326.stm
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jaqueira2
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>photos, story:
>http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_1753000/1753326
Jim:
Very, very interesting. It is difficult to comprehend that we are viewing an
object carved by a human 80,000 years ago. Real great stuff, I wonder if he was
a Freemason as well? <BWG>
Sam Schwarzman, AGL, GLNY
Treasurer; Metropolitan Assistant
Grand Lecturers Association (MAGLA)
jDolan
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> >70,000+ years old!
> >
> >photos, story:
> >http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_1753000/1753326
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> Jim:
> Very, very interesting. It is difficult to comprehend that we are viewing an
> object carved by a human 80,000 years ago. Real great stuff, I wonder if he was
> a Freemason as well? <BWG>
Howdy Sam-
If he was a Freemason, its likely a discarded dues notice or something.
Or, if one is an optimist, perhaps it is a petition!
Mike Wells
jDolan <jhd...@sover.net> wrote in message
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> jaqueira2 wrote:
> >
> > >70,000+ years old!
> > >
> > >photos, story:
> > >http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_1753000/1753326
> >
> > Jim:
> > Very, very interesting. It is difficult to comprehend that we are
viewing an
> > object carved by a human 80,000 years ago. Real great stuff, I wonder if
he was
> > a Freemason as well? <BWG>
>
> Howdy Sam-
> If he was a Freemason, its likely a discarded dues notice or something.
> Or, if one is an optimist, perhaps it is a petition!
Neither actually. It's a plan for Masonic world domination backed by 70,000
year old Illuminati.
--
Mike Wells
Normal #673, AF&AM, Illinois
Kurt Kurosawa
are intended to communicate with others and those who dismiss them as "just
doodles." Now think about it for a minute. Communicate with others? Before
the age of grocery lists and chat rooms, man was more interested in using
scratchings to communicate with the spirit realm. "Just" doodles? Doodling
is a very high form of activity! I mean, the idea of a creature filling
times of boredom or preoccupation with other things with doodling is itself
a sign of advanced thought. But what ought to whack these scientists upside
the head with a Louisville Slugger of a clue stick is that these scratchings
were made on ochre sticks in a place that was being systematically exploited
for its ochre deposits. Was there any primitive use for ochre besides making
symbolic markings on the body, on artifacts, and on cave walls?
"jDolan" <jhd...@sover.net> wrote in message
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Richard Irving
> Was there any primitive use for ochre besides making
> symbolic markings on the body, on artifacts, and on cave walls?
I can't find any, but there was an ancient Burial Practice
involving Red Ochre..... between 2000 and 6000 years back,
in Maine in America... Ochre Pits...
Australian aborigines can lay claim to mining Ochre,
for religious ceremonies, for about the past 40,000 years.
And Dry ochre is used for staining skins and in hair,
according to ancient writings...
So, perhaps the "Staining of Skins" would be beyond
the "symbolic markings" use. But, this stuffs
history is as elusive as the missing link,
and from probably around the same -time-, as well...
;)
Ryco
Hi,
The main evience of early Hominid burial is most likely associate with
Homo Neandertalis in the Middle Paleolithic. The main sites are La
Chapelle, La Ferrassie, Shanidar, and Teshik-Tash. There was a grave
at Shanidar IV where a body was buried with flowers. One interesting
portion of La Ferrassie dated 60,000 years ago has what appears to be
parents buried head to head with their children interred neatly around
them. At this same site there are triangular stones placed over some
burials. At Teshik-Tash there is a child surrounded by a ring of goat
horns. The general social, economic, production, and burial systems of
Neandertalis have led archeologists to speculate that the Neandertal
were capable of abstract thought. In otherwords we have been having
conversations about, and no doubt arguing about philosophy for a very
long time.
Anyway just a little information.
Ryco
Richard Irving
>
> The main evience of early Hominid burial is most likely associate with
> Homo Neandertalis in the Middle Paleolithic. The main sites are La
> Chapelle, La Ferrassie, Shanidar, and Teshik-Tash. There was a grave
> at Shanidar IV where a body was buried with flowers.
I had heard of this, although some say the flowers may have only been
things that were strewn on the cave floor, in the Holiest of Holies so to speak,
and were swept into the grave by accident. Too many scientists are
into the "Neanderthal were too primitive to abstract" idea....
They try to refute that Neanderthal could abstract.
Of course, from the same find, we see a herbal compound stuffed
into a wound to the ribs, in a fashion that causes the bone to
re-grow and replace the salve...
The compound was reverse engineered, and is under the 2 year
mandatory FDA testing right now, as it exceeded our current
capabilities...it should be in production soon.
So, can't abstract ? Sounds like a losing argument, to me. :)
> One interesting
> portion of La Ferrassie dated 60,000 years ago has what appears to be
> parents buried head to head with their children interred neatly around
> them. At this same site there are triangular stones placed over some
> burials.
New data... Neat.
>At Teshik-Tash there is a child surrounded by a ring of goat
> horns. The general social, economic, production, and burial systems of
> Neandertalis have led archeologists to speculate that the Neandertal
> were capable of abstract thought. In otherwords we have been having
> conversations about, and no doubt arguing about philosophy for a very
> long time.
I had heard this claim as well.. But, at least according to current finds,
the Neanderthal were seen to have attempted crude imitations of the
"Abstract Art" of their half brother in the world,
and the region: The CroMagnon. (us)
> Anyway just a little information.
Thank you! I had heard there is evidence that the Neanderthal were
big meat eaters (about 90% of their diet), found recently, as well.
This proves they were skilled hunters, not just dumb cave people,
an important point... and means the social structure may have been
more complex than originally imagined.
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/science/dailynews/neaderthal_meat000612.html
Although, there is -no- evidence that Neanderthal knew how to build an Arch.
;)
>
> Ryco