Re: Madeleine McCann - Search, Search and Search Again!
Pilotiin
news:qt8ev65rqiq16q0ou...@4ax.com:
> Did you listen to the women's hour interview
> she did a month or three after the girl disappeared?
> Does she feel guilty?
> no.
Freemasons go around killing people, often using toxins, all the time. Why
should Kate McCann feel guilty about obeying orders from Freemason Brother
Gerry McCann? After all, Kate McCann knows that if she leaves Brother
Gerry McCann, they will kill her as well.
Pilotiin
@mid.individual.net:
> No. For an exercise that was a total waste
> of time and proved nothing whatsoever.
The cadaver dog alerted to the scent of a corpse in the mater bedroom, in a
corner, by the wardrobe, in living room, behind the sofa, and by the side
window, while the bloodhound alerted to blood in the living room behind the
sofa, and by the side window (in exactly the same spot that had been
signalled by the cadaver dog).
> Well, okay, it did prove that the fuckwit Portuguese police
> really ought to train their own dogs,
> to save some money next time.
Johnny Foreigner again? Makes one wonder why Kate and Freemason Brother
McCann went to Portugal.
The McCann family's clothes and belongings: the cadaver dog alerted to the
scent of a corpse on two pieces of clothing belonging to Dr Kate McCann,
one piece of clothing belonging to Madeleine (a rent T-shirt) and on
Madeleine's soft toy [Cuddle Cat].
The Todal
> "The Todal" <deadm...@beeb.net> wrote in news:95ov1iF2puU1
> @mid.individual.net:
>
>> No. For an exercise that was a total waste
>> of time and proved nothing whatsoever.
>
> The cadaver dog alerted to the scent of a corpse in the mater
> bedroom, in a corner, by the wardrobe, in living room, behind the
> sofa, and by the side window, while the bloodhound alerted to blood
> in the living room behind the sofa, and by the side window (in
> exactly the same spot that had been signalled by the cadaver dog).
As previously explained, this was based on signals from the dogs which the
dog handler (a Brit) said were evidence of nothing at all, unless
corroborated by other evidence.
The dogs would do exactly the same in your own house. They'd find
suspicious smells, probably from the floor of your bedroom, and start
barking. Hey, maybe you could be prosecuted for the murder of Madeleine
McCann.
>
>> Well, okay, it did prove that the fuckwit Portuguese police
>> really ought to train their own dogs,
>> to save some money next time.
>
> Johnny Foreigner again? Makes one wonder why Kate and Freemason
> Brother McCann went to Portugal.
>
> The McCann family's clothes and belongings: the cadaver dog alerted
> to the scent of a corpse on two pieces of clothing belonging to Dr
> Kate McCann, one piece of clothing belonging to Madeleine (a rent
> T-shirt) and on Madeleine's soft toy [Cuddle Cat].
Are you the loon who used to keep writing about some organisation called
Broomleigh?
PeterG
> Pilotiin wrote:
> > "The Todal" <deadmail...@beeb.net> wrote in news:95ov1iF2puU1
He is certainly the loon who was blackballed by the Mason when he
tried to join, ever since then he has tried to get back at them by
posting lies.
Pilotiin
> The dogs would do exactly the same in your own house.
Except the dogs did not find anything on any of the cars used by arguido
Robert Murat whom Team McCann tried to frame.
Are you anything more than a cover for murdering Freemasons like Brother
Gerry McCann?
Pilotiin
> The dogs would do exactly the same in your own house.
> They'd find suspicious smells, probably from the floor
> of your bedroom, and start barking.
The dogs found nothing on Robert Murat, whom Team McCann tried to frame.
The dogs record is 100%.
Freemasons, like Brother Gerry McCann are horrid people. The murder of a
child is nothing for the average Freemason, and lunacy (often combined with
litigation) is the standard response of Freemasons to their critics.
> Are you the loon who used to keep writing
> about some organisation called Broomleigh?
See what I mean? Calling me a lunatic means no more, and no less, than I
find the cock & bull story advanced by Team McCann difficult to believe.
Paul Clarke
> "The Todal" <deadmail...@beeb.net> wrote innews:95p43e...@mid.individual.net:
If you e-mail the Lodge on the e-mail you were given when you applied
to join, we could arrange to discuss your concerns.
Pilotiin
news:ceb0b0ea-b1b3-4ae6...@y30g2000yqb.googlegroups.com:
> If you e-mail the Lodge on the e-mail you were given when you
> applied to join, we could arrange to discuss your concerns.
I have never applied.
The Todal
You nearly got in at Hendon.
Pilotiin
@mid.individual.net:
>>> If you e-mail the Lodge on the e-mail you were given when you
>>> applied to join, we could arrange to discuss your concerns.
>>
>> I have never applied.
>
> You nearly got in at Hendon.
Freemasonry would never consider me because I am open about my Atheism.
The Todal
Well, I wouldn't become a freemason now if you went down on your lousy
stinking knees and begged me.
Pilotiin
@mid.individual.net:
> Well, I wouldn't become a freemason now if you went down
> on your lousy stinking knees and begged me.
Showing your age now, aren't you? One cannot remember that and be much
less than 50.
The Todal
I'm walking backwards for Christmas. That makes me, oh, about 62.
Tony Dragon
Would you provide proof of that.
Pilotiin
news:xq2dnSaRIflPS2XQ...@bt.com:
>> I have never applied.
>
> Would you provide proof of that.
What sort of proof do you expect? In any case, I don't believe in any god.
Tony Dragon
So you can not provide proof, OK.
Pilotiin
> So you can not provide proof, OK.
What does that have to do with Freemason Brother Gerald Patrick McCann
murdering his own daughter?
Pilotiin
@mid.individual.net:
>> http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/KATERINA-PAYNE-INCIDENT.htm
>
> No, they shed no light whatsoever.
> Did you pick that page totally at random, perhaps?
Let me help: Freemason Brother David Payne is an active child sex abuser
with whom Kate and Brother Gerry McCann have a close friendship.
Tony Dragon
I don't see how anything could be to do with the event you have
described, as it did not happen.
Tony Dragon
Have you proof of that?
Pilotiin
> I don't see how anything could be to do with the
> event you have described, as it did not happen.
Would you provide proof of that.
Are you denying that, as adherents of the evil Freemason god Jahbulon, Kate
and Brother Gerry McCann sacrificed their daughter Madeleine McCann for the
benefit of their paedophile friend, Freemason Brother David Payne?
Pilotiin
>> Let me help: Freemason Brother David Payne is an
>> active child sex abuser with whom Kate and Brother
>> Gerry McCann have a close friendship.
>
> Have you proof of that?
Yes.
Got it?
Pilotiin
>> Why did Kate McCann change career and go into anaesthetics?
>
> Why don't you ask the doctor to increase your medication?
> You seem to be both stupid and mentally ill, a rare combination.
Oh look: a Freemason accusing a critic of the McCann cock & bull story of
being mad. What a coincidence.
Why don't you have another go?
Why did Kate McCann change career and go into anaesthetics?
Pilotiin
news:itdcgo$qb1$1...@dont-email.me:
> Really hits a nerve with you,
> this McCann stuff doesn't it?
Perhaps that's because when "The Todal" admitted being a Freemason he was
not joking, and that as a Freemason he is obliged to support his Brother
Gerry McCann, even if he did sacrifice his own daughter to the Freemason
god Jahbulon?
Tony Dragon
Yes I am denying that, until somebody produces proof.
Tony Dragon
No I haven't got it, but I will have it if you provide it.
Mentalguy2k8
"Pilotiin" <inv...@invalid.invalid.net> wrote in message
news:Xns9F073724AB1Cwo...@94.75.214.90...
I do wonder if Gerry is a freemason, it would explain the huge amount of
support he's had from authorities everywhere.
I don't usually take much interest in Masonic conspiracy theories, but there
are too many people who simply won't accept that there could be any other
possible explanation than the explanation that Gerry and Kate have given.
For me, there are enough proven discrepancies to raise plenty of doubt, yet
there are still people like Todal who are violently opposed to (and verbally
abusive to the writers of) any suggestion that the McCann's were directly or
indirectly responsible for anything that happened, and who believe that if
the McCann's said it, it must automatically be true.
The McCanns have already been caught lying, for instance Kate's insistence
that they never used the name "Maddie"; it was a "media creation".... yet
her husband had made a post on his FriendsReunited page referring to her as
"Maddie" long before they even went on holiday.
Theodore
Prove it.
Pilotiin
news:87qmv6toof78f0lka...@4ax.com:
>> Would you provide proof of that.
>>
>> Are you denying that, as adherents of the evil Freemason
>> god Jahbulon, Kate and Brother Gerry McCann sacrificed
>> their daughter Madeleine McCann for the benefit of their
>> paedophile friend, Freemason Brother David Payne?
>
> Prove it.
Kate and Freemason Brother Gerry McCann admit having a friendship with the
paedophile Freemason Brother David Payne.
Pilotiin
news:itf9ji$86d$1...@dont-email.me:
> I don't usually take much interest
> in Masonic conspiracy theories,
Accusing critics of being mad, and insisting that everyone proves every
possible stage, is known to be Freemason tactics. Freemasons are also keen
on using toxins, which is doubtless why Kate McCann was asked if she
sedates her children.
Theodore
No I asked you to prove your claims
So can you prove Mr David Payne is a paedophile
and that the McCanns "sacrificed" their daughter?
Or are you just talking bollocks?
Tony Dragon
No,no.no, he asked for proof.
Now just to help you.
Produce proof that Gerry McCann was/is a Freemason
Produce proof that David Payne was/is a Mason.
Produce proof that David Payne was/is a paedophile.
Produce proof the Gerry McCann & David Payne were/are friends.
There you go, give us the answers.
sutartsorric
> On 17/06/2011 16:14, Pilotiin wrote:
>
Yeah right, that is a lame post.
Apparently we have to produce proof that members of secret societies
are actually members?
Nice one twat head - try again.
Maybe you would like to produce evidence they are not ?
The Todal
Man is born freemason, but everywhere he is in chains. We all need to find
the freemason within ourselves. Brandish your trowel, mix that mortar with
pride.
Mentalguy2k8
It was established that Madeleine was a troublesome sleeper and the parents
regularly gave her and the twins Calpol to keep her asleep.
Yet the day after her disappearance, there was no trace of any kind of
medication whatsoever in the apartment, not even a headache tablet. I wonder
if Gerry "moved" it after he'd finished deleting his mobile phone call-log
during the 12 hours after the disappearance.
sutartsorric
> "Pilotiin" <inva...@invalid.invalid.net> wrote in message
>
> news:Xns9F07A68F21A76wo...@94.75.214.90...
>
> > "Mentalguy2k8" <Mentalguy...@gmail.com> wrote in
> >news:itf9ji$86d$1...@dont-email.me:
>
> >> I don't usually take much interest
> >> in Masonic conspiracy theories,
>
> > Accusing critics of being mad, and insisting that everyone proves every
> > possible stage, is known to be Freemason tactics. Freemasons are also
> > keen
> > on using toxins, which is doubtless why Kate McCann was asked if she
> > sedates her children.
>
> It was established that Madeleine was a troublesome sleeper and the parents
> regularly gave her and the twins Calpol to keep her asleep.
>
> Yet the day after her disappearance, there was no trace of any kind of
> medication whatsoever in the apartment, not even a headache tablet. I wonder
> if Gerry "moved" it after he'd finished deleting his mobile phone call-log
> during the 12 hours after the disappearance.
Pamela Fenn’s witness statement (20th August 2007):
Source: Police Files (Pamalam)
Processo IX, pages 2412 to 2414
Date: 20th August 2007
Time: 15H30
"During the day nothing unusual happened, until almost 22H30 when,
being alone again, she heard the hysterical shouts from a female
person, calling out "we have let her down" which she repeated several
times, quite upset. She then saw that it was the mother of little
Madeleine who was shouting furiously. Upon leaning over the terrace,
after having seen the mother, she asked the father, GERRY, what was
happening to which he replied that a small girl had been abducted.
When asked, she replied that she did not leave her apartment, just
spoke to GERRY from her balcony, which had a view over the terrace of
the floor below. She found it strange that when GERRY said that a girl
had been abducted, he did not mention that it was his daughter and
that he did not mention any other scenarios. At that moment she
offered GERRY help, saying that he could use her phone to contact the
authorities, to which he replied that this had already been done. It
was just after 22H30."
Kate’s account (page 75):
"Then a lady appeared on a balcony – I’m fairly certain this was about
11pm, before the police arrived – and, in a plummy voice, inquired,
‘Can someone tell me what all the noise is about?’ I explained as
clearly as I was able, given the state I was in, that my little girl
had been stolen from her bed, to which she casually responded, ‘Oh, I
see,’ almost as if she’d just been told that a can of beans had fallen
off a kitchen shelf. I remember feeling both shocked and angry at this
woefully inadequate and apparently unconcerned reaction. I recollect
that in our outrage, Fiona and I shouted back something rather short
and to the point."
sutartsorric
Sorry, I had to send this twice because the first post took at least 3
minutes before it appeared.
This always happens with controversial posts mentioning particular
names on Google, which I assume is because the lizards need time to
read what may be being said about them
How strange that a superior race are so paranoid?
chaz
Not a unreasonable requestas the poster is saying they are.
>
> Nice one twat head - try again.
It's funny how people resort to name calling when they have no answers
to questions.
>
> Maybe you would like to produce evidence they are not ?
I don't believe Tony said they were not members, he just asked for
proof.
There were also no answers to the other questions.
sutartsorric
My point was, how can you prove the membership of a secret society?
That is why I call anyone who defends that question a twat head, not
that I am resorting to name calling but because the whole point of a
secret society is that membership is secret.
If you cannot see this simple logic then I'm afraid that twathead
seems like a decent description of someone who has a brain full of
large open spaces and a little bit of irregular slime.
Tony Dragon
> On Jun 17, 6:15 pm, chaz<kentshar...@ymail.com> wrote:
>> On Jun 17, 5:22 pm, sutartsorric<sutartsor...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Jun 17, 5:07 pm, Tony Dragon<tony.dra...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> On 17/06/2011 16:14, Pilotiin wrote:
>>
>>>>> Theodore<theod...@spam.com> wrote in
>>>>> news:87qmv6toof78f0lka...@4ax.com:
>>
>>>>>>> Would you provide proof of that.
>>
>>>>>>> Are you denying that, as adherents of the evil Freemason
>>>>>>> god Jahbulon, Kate and Brother Gerry McCann sacrificed
>>>>>>> their daughter Madeleine McCann for the benefit of their
>>>>>>> paedophile friend, Freemason Brother David Payne?
>>
>>>>>> Prove it.
>>
>>>>> Kate and Freemason Brother Gerry McCann admit having a friendship with the
>>>>> paedophile Freemason Brother David Payne.
>>
>>>> No,no.no, he asked for proof.
>>
>>>> Now just to help you.
>>
>>>> Produce proof that Gerry McCann was/is a Freemason
>>>> Produce proof that David Payne was/is a Mason.
>>>> Produce proof that David Payne was/is a paedophile.
>>
>>>> There you go, give us the answers.
>>
>>> Yeah right, that is a lame post.
>>
>>> Apparently we have to produce proof that members of secret societies
>>> are actually members?
>>
>> Not a unreasonable requestas the poster is saying they are.
Indeed
>>
>>
>>
>>> Nice one twat head - try again.
>>
>> It's funny how people resort to name calling when they have no answers
>> to questions.
>>
>>
>>
>>> Maybe you would like to produce evidence they are not ?
>>
>> I don't believe Tony said they were not members, he just asked for
>> proof.
True.
>>
>> There were also no answers to the other questions.
I noticed that.
>
> My point was, how can you prove the membership of a secret society?
>
> That is why I call anyone who defends that question a twat head, not
> that I am resorting to name calling but because the whole point of a
> secret society is that membership is secret.
>
> If you cannot see this simple logic then I'm afraid that twathead
> seems like a decent description of someone who has a brain full of
> large open spaces and a little bit of irregular slime.
Thank you for proving my point.
If the Freemasons are a society with secrets, then how can you prove
that somebody is a member.
It looks like you have become a member of the twat head club, should I
compile a membership list?
Pilotiin
news:1dsmv61q853e525pr...@4ax.com:
> No I asked you to prove your claims
>
> So can you prove Mr David Payne is a paedophile
> and that the McCanns "sacrificed" their daughter?
Do you mean Freemason Brother Dr David Payne?
> Or are you just talking bollocks?
Do you mean the evil god of Freemasonry, Jahbulon?
Theodore
I thought so.
David
You expect answers from this idiot? He will just change the subject or
meander off in a different direction while repeating the same set of
silly, unprovable claims.
Ignore him like most of us.
Tony Dragon
> On Fri, 17 Jun 2011 17:07:31 +0100, Tony Dragon
> <tony....@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
>> On 17/06/2011 16:14, Pilotiin wrote:
>>> Theodore<theo...@spam.com> wrote in
>>> news:87qmv6toof78f0lka...@4ax.com:
>>>
>>>>> Would you provide proof of that.
>>>>>
>>>>> Are you denying that, as adherents of the evil Freemason
>>>>> god Jahbulon, Kate and Brother Gerry McCann sacrificed
>>>>> their daughter Madeleine McCann for the benefit of their
>>>>> paedophile friend, Freemason Brother David Payne?
>>>>
>>>> Prove it.
>>>
>>> Kate and Freemason Brother Gerry McCann admit having a friendship with the
>>> paedophile Freemason Brother David Payne.
>>
>> No,no.no, he asked for proof.
>>
>> Now just to help you.
>>
>> Produce proof that Gerry McCann was/is a Freemason
>> Produce proof that David Payne was/is a Mason.
>> Produce proof that David Payne was/is a paedophile.
>>
>> There you go, give us the answers.
>
> You expect answers from this idiot? He will just change the subject or
> meander off in a different direction while repeating the same set of
> silly, unprovable claims.
>
> Ignore him like most of us.
You are of course right, but prodding him can be fun, but you are right
I should not mock the afflicted.
Turk182
> On Fri, 17 Jun 2011 17:07:31 +0100, Tony Dragon
>
>
>
>
>
> <tony.dra...@btinternet.com> wrote:
> >On 17/06/2011 16:14, Pilotiin wrote:
> >>news:87qmv6toof78f0lka...@4ax.com:
>
> >>>> Would you provide proof of that.
>
> >>>> Are you denying that, as adherents of the evil Freemason
> >>>> god Jahbulon, Kate and Brother Gerry McCann sacrificed
> >>>> their daughter Madeleine McCann for the benefit of their
> >>>> paedophile friend, Freemason Brother David Payne?
>
> >>> Prove it.
>
> >> Kate and Freemason Brother Gerry McCann admit having a friendship with the
> >> paedophile Freemason Brother David Payne.
>
> >No,no.no, he asked for proof.
>
> >Now just to help you.
>
> >Produce proof that Gerry McCann was/is a Freemason
> >Produce proof that David Payne was/is a Mason.
> >Produce proof that David Payne was/is a paedophile.
> >Produce proof the Gerry McCann & David Payne were/are friends.
>
> >There you go, give us the answers.
>
> You expect answers from this idiot? He will just change the subject or
> meander off in a different direction while repeating the same set of
> silly, unprovable claims.
>
>
> - Show quoted text -
Even if a disgraced ex-legal pro could cobble together a handful of
tempting arguments that the McCanns were involved in their child's
demise, my conclusion is that a stranger did abduct her; I am
convinced that the person behind her abduction will be expoosed
through their discovered involvement in other crimes or by someone
blowing the whistle on them.
I keep an open mind, but I don't believe the posters who preach hate
in thius group have the ability to function at open minded level.
Their choice of words is a good insight into their damaged
perspectives.
The truth will out; I can even dare to believe that Madeleine WILL be
going home. I suggest that the truth is very much simpler than some
would believe, and if there is a more sinister reason behind her
dissapearance than someone wanting a child of their own, then I
suspect that there could also be some element of police involvement in
the crime, which would explain some of their sabotage and counter
claims by them in their accusation that the McCann's were involved.
Whoever was involved did not expect the search to continue, of that I
am certain. So the search must go on - not just for the sake of this
child, but to reduce the chance of future children being targetted.
Arguments to the contrary posted here are seductive, but they are
based on a 50,000 to 1 vague possibility which is barely worth a
listen more than once.
Find Madeleine. The answer will be there of that I am sure. The
McCanns are exemplorary parents if compared to the Royal Family and
many of the abysmal cases I see each week. I ask people here to stop
poisoning the search with your outpourings of malicious hatred.
Turk182
Pilotiin
> No,no.no, he asked for proof.
>
> Now just to help you.
>
> Produce proof that Gerry McCann was/is a Freemason
> Produce proof that David Payne was/is a Mason.
> Produce proof that David Payne was/is a paedophile.
> Produce proof the Gerry McCann & David Payne were/are friends.
>
> There you go, give us the answers.
Is any of this denied? Why don't Freemasons give us access to their
membership records?
PeterG
> Tony Dragon <tony.dra...@btinternet.com> wrote innews:bMSdndZR3J9Y5mbQ...@bt.com:
Yes a least one poster has denied it & so shall I.
Now provide the proof, if you have it.
If you are requesting access to the membership details for the Masons,
it means that at present you do not have access.
If this is so, how do you know the people you post about are Masons?
Pilotiin
news:28a4b74e-5de3-4898...@g12g2000yqd.googlegroups.com:
> I don't believe Tony said they were not members,
> he just asked for proof.
How does one prove that the paedophile Brother David Payne is a Freemason
friend of Brother Gerry McCann and that religion is no more than an excuse
for the evil behaviour of Freemasons?
Wasn't that long ago that religion was used as an excuse for genital
mutilation.
Pilotiin
news:e77de914-de04-4d3f...@l18g2000yql.googlegroups.com:
> Yes a least one poster has denied it & so shall I.
You're surely not denying that Brother Gerry McCann and the paedophile
Brother David Payne are both Freemasons are you?
sutartsorric
Maybe I have, but you have also proved my point, which is - demanding
that some one proves what you have agreed is impossible to prove does
not make your argument any more right.
The difficulty that you have had with this 'conspiracy' unlike many
others, is that in order to prove the theorists are mentally unstable
you have to maintain the stupid idea that leaving young children alone
while parents go out and get pissed, is a very normal and
understandable thing to do.
To normal and level headed parents, this is not only complete and
utter nonsense, it is something that the vast majority of unselfish
and considerate parents would never dream of. I know a lot of parents
who would feel guilty getting pissed in their own house with their
kids upstairs sleeping - just in case there was an emergency and they
were drunk and not capable of reacting in a calm and competent manner.
It is only too easy to dismiss as nutters all the conspiracy theorists
concerning 9/11, 7/7, De Menezes, etc and you are going a valiant job
following that stereotype almost to the letter; but this one is
different in that the parents at the centre of the conspiracy are
guilty of gross neglect in the first place and therefore are never
going to get any sympathy from the majority of law abiding parents who
would never dream of doing anything like that.
It maybe common practice in the masonic community for kids under 5 to
be left on their own for hours or maybe even days while the parents go
off together and get wasted, but they do not represent the majority of
the public. Then you compound your own problem by trying to call
sensible parents loons, but at the same time demanding they have
sympathy for selfish parents who are reaping the results of what they
sowed.
So, unfortunately, you have picked yourself a loser this time and my
advice would be - stop digging your hole any deeper than it already
is. The McCanns have a lifetime to repent at their leisure and that is
precisely what they must do, irrespective of what actually happened to
their daughter. Their personal nightmare is only going to get worse
when their twins reach parenthood and suddenly realise how incredibly
selfish their own Mum and Dad must have been to neglect them in such a
way.
Tony Dragon
Then, welcome.
> but you have also proved my point, which is - demanding
> that some one proves what you have agreed is impossible to prove does
> not make your argument any more right.
In fact, it would seem that we both have proved his claims about Masons
is impossible to prove (except perhaps by a Mason)
>
> The difficulty that you have had with this 'conspiracy' unlike many
> others, is that in order to prove the theorists are mentally unstable
> you have to maintain the stupid idea that leaving young children alone
> while parents go out and get pissed, is a very normal and
> understandable thing to do.
I have never commented about the McCann's except for asking for proof of
what Pilotiin (or whatever he calls himself today) alleges.
>
> To normal and level headed parents, this is not only complete and
> utter nonsense, it is something that the vast majority of unselfish
> and considerate parents would never dream of.
Agreed.
> I know a lot of parents
> who would feel guilty getting pissed in their own house with their
> kids upstairs sleeping - just in case there was an emergency and they
> were drunk and not capable of reacting in a calm and competent manner.
Also agreed, although as the kids get older it's probably them who are
pissed.
>
> It is only too easy to dismiss as nutters all the conspiracy theorists
> concerning 9/11, 7/7, De Menezes, etc and you are going a valiant job
> following that stereotype almost to the letter;
Don't think so.
I think 9/11 & 7/7 is probably as it looks, De Menzes is a police cock
up (but perhaps understandable)
> but this one is
> different in that the parents at the centre of the conspiracy are
> guilty of gross neglect in the first place and therefore are never
> going to get any sympathy from the majority of law abiding parents who
> would never dream of doing anything like that.
I would find it difficult to argue otherwise.
>
> It maybe common practice in the masonic community for kids under 5 to
> be left on their own for hours or maybe even days while the parents go
> off together and get wasted, but they do not represent the majority of
> the public.
I would not know, but I somehow doubt it.
>Then you compound your own problem by trying to call
> sensible parents loons,
Do please point out where I said that, here's a clue, I didn't.
> but at the same time demanding they have
> sympathy for selfish parents who are reaping the results of what they
> sowed.
See above.
>
> So, unfortunately, you have picked yourself a loser this time and my
> advice would be - stop digging your hole any deeper than it already
> is.
Would you explain that, I have picked nothing.
> The McCanns have a lifetime to repent at their leisure and that is
> precisely what they must do, irrespective of what actually happened to
> their daughter.
Very true.
>Their personal nightmare is only going to get worse
> when their twins reach parenthood and suddenly realise how incredibly
> selfish their own Mum and Dad must have been to neglect them in such a
> way.
>
Again true.
Can I ask, are you directing all that post at me, as all I asked was
that Pilotiin give proof of his allegations.
Tony Dragon
> chaz<kents...@ymail.com> wrote in
> news:28a4b74e-5de3-4898...@g12g2000yqd.googlegroups.com:
>
>> I don't believe Tony said they were not members,
>> he just asked for proof.
>
> How does one prove that the paedophile Brother David Payne is a Freemason
> friend of Brother Gerry McCann and that religion is no more than an excuse
> for the evil behaviour of Freemasons?
You are making the allegations, the burden of proof is on you.
>
> Wasn't that long ago that religion was used as an excuse for genital
> mutilation.
Is it not still current in some places.
Cynic
<inv...@invalid.invalid.net> wrote:
>chaz <kents...@ymail.com> wrote in
>news:28a4b74e-5de3-4898...@g12g2000yqd.googlegroups.com:
>
>> I don't believe Tony said they were not members,
>> he just asked for proof.
>
>How does one prove that the paedophile Brother David Payne is a Freemason
>friend of Brother Gerry McCann and that religion is no more than an excuse
>for the evil behaviour of Freemasons?
If you would just tell us why *you* think that Gerry Cann and David
Payne are freemasons, and why you believe David Payne is a paedophile
it would assist.
Is it purely something that you have imagined, or is there any
evidence whatsoever that supports those beliefs?
--
Cynic
PeterG
> PeterG <petergra...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote innews:e77de914-de04-4d3f...@l18g2000yql.googlegroups.com:
>
> > Yes a least one poster has denied it & so shall I.
>
> You're surely not denying that Brother Gerry McCann and the paedophile
> Brother David Payne are both Freemasons are you?
Until I see proof, yes.
Pilotiin
news:3d398af0-f757-4aa2...@p20g2000yqg.googlegroups.com:
> My point was, how can you prove
> the membership of a secret society?
That's why they ask, except of course that Freemasonry is not a secret
society but a society with secrets.
> That is why I call anyone who defends that question a twat
> head, not that I am resorting to name calling but because
> the whole point of a secret society is that membership is
> secret.
You can be sure Brother Gerry McCann is a Freemason from the way they
defend him. Notice how the Portuguese Judicial Police are supposed to be
utterly incompetent and are supposed to have absolved Brother Gerry McCann
of all possible blame. That double negative means guilty, doesn't it?
> If you cannot see this simple logic then I'm afraid
> that twathead seems like a decent description of
> someone who has a brain full of large open spaces
> and a little bit of irregular slime.
Freemasons also like to twist the meaning of words, not only secret (see
above), but also charity. Have a look at their Grand Charity
"a grant-making charity dedicated to supporting people in need."
Sounds reasonable doesn't it?
Until you click who is eligible
http://www.grandcharity.org/pages/who_is_eligible.html
and read "any Freemason, past or present (under the United Grand Lodge of
England) who is experiencing hardship may apply. The widows and certain
other immediate dependants of the above may also apply."
and notice that to Freemasons charity means giving to themselves, which is
not the normal meaning of charity.
Pilotiin
> If you would just tell us why *you* think that Gerry Cann
> and David Payne are freemasons, and why you believe David
> Payne is a paedophile it would assist.
It's fairly well known that Brother Gerry McCann is a Freemason and blatant
from the way (and indeed the fact) that they litigate.
The allegations about Brother David Payne are in a book, itself merely a
compilation of documents because otherwise the publishers would be subject
to Masonic harassment, inter alia, with Carter-Ruck writs.
> Is it purely something that you have imagined, or is
> there any evidence whatsoever that supports those beliefs?
You asked me a fair question; why did you have to follow it up with abuse?
Pilotiin
news:c4dbfca3-1a39-48e5...@k24g2000yqb.googlegroups.com:
>> You're surely not denying that Brother Gerry McCann and the
>> paedophile Brother David Payne are both Freemasons are you?
>
> Until I see proof, yes.
Are you a Freemason?
PeterG
> sutartsorric <sutartsor...@googlemail.com> wrote innews:3d398af0-f757-4aa2...@p20g2000yqg.googlegroups.com:
>
> > My point was, how can you prove
> > the membership of a secret society?
>
> That's why they ask, except of course that Freemasonry is not a secret
> society but a society with secrets.
>
> > That is why I call anyone who defends that question a twat
> > head, not that I am resorting to name calling but because
> > the whole point of a secret society is that membership is
> > secret.
>
> You can be sure Brother Gerry McCann is a Freemason from the way they
> defend him.
What Masons have defended him?
> Notice how the Portuguese Judicial Police are supposed to be
> utterly incompetent and are supposed to have absolved Brother Gerry McCann
> of all possible blame. That double negative means guilty, doesn't it?
Err, no it doesn't.
PeterG
> cynic_...@yahoo.co.uk (Cynic) wrote innews:4dfc7406.1626953@localhost:
>
> > If you would just tell us why *you* think that Gerry Cann
> > and David Payne are freemasons, and why you believe David
> > Payne is a paedophile it would assist.
>
> It's fairly well known that Brother Gerry McCann is a Freemason
No it isn't, please provide proof.
> and blatant
> from the way (and indeed the fact) that they litigate.
Care to explain that.
>
> The allegations about Brother David Payne are in a book, itself merely a
> compilation of documents because otherwise the publishers would be subject
> to Masonic harassment, inter alia, with Carter-Ruck writs.
So still no proof then.
>
> > Is it purely something that you have imagined, or is
> > there any evidence whatsoever that supports those beliefs?
>
> You asked me a fair question; why did you have to follow it up with abuse?
What abuse is that?
PeterG
> PeterG <petergra...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote innews:c4dbfca3-1a39-48e5...@k24g2000yqb.googlegroups.com:
>
> >> You're surely not denying that Brother Gerry McCann and the
> >> paedophile Brother David Payne are both Freemasons are you?
>
> > Until I see proof, yes.
>
> Are you a Freemason?
Does it matter?
David
He doesn't like them so that is proof enough for him.
Pilotiin
> Can I ask, are you directing all that post at me, as all
> I asked was that Pilotiin give proof of his allegations.
Are you a Freemason?
Pilotiin
news:c53dab8d-2096-426e...@m10g2000yqd.googlegroups.com:
>> You can be sure Brother Gerry McCann is a
>> Freemason from the way they defend him.
>
> What Masons have defended him?
Are you a Freemason?
> Err, no it doesn't.
So you agree that the meaning given to charity by Freemasons is abnormal?
PeterG
> Tony Dragon <tony.dra...@btinternet.com> wrote innews:icGdnQFRZs7B7mHQ...@bt.com:
>
> > Can I ask, are you directing all that post at me, as all
> > I asked was that Pilotiin give proof of his allegations.
>
> Are you a Freemason?
Come on Tony are you a Free Mason or do you charge?
PeterG
> PeterG <petergra...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote innews:c53dab8d-2096-426e...@m10g2000yqd.googlegroups.com:
>
> >> You can be sure Brother Gerry McCann is a
> >> Freemason from the way they defend him.
>
> > What Masons have defended him?
>
> Are you a Freemason?
So no answer then.
>
> > Err, no it doesn't.
>
> So you agree that the meaning given to charity by Freemasons is abnormal?
I have not commented on that.
I agree that editing what I said is a desperate way of proving your
point and avoiding answers.
Is that the best you can do?
Tony Dragon
Quite reasonable rates �75/hour half price if you order before 5.30pm on
a Saturday, discounts given for returning customers, personal service
will mean a suplement being charged.
Theodore
You need help.
Cynic
<inv...@invalid.invalid.net> wrote:
>cyni...@yahoo.co.uk (Cynic) wrote in news:4dfc7406.1626953@localhost:
>
>> If you would just tell us why *you* think that Gerry Cann
>> and David Payne are freemasons, and why you believe David
>> Payne is a paedophile it would assist.
>
>It's fairly well known that Brother Gerry McCann is a Freemason
Is it? Who else "knows" it besides yourself?
> and blatant
>from the way (and indeed the fact) that they litigate.
I was unaware that Freemasons litigated in any way different to
non-Freemasons. Could you elaborate on the differences?
>The allegations about Brother David Payne are in a book, itself merely a
>compilation of documents because otherwise the publishers would be subject
>to Masonic harassment, inter alia, with Carter-Ruck writs.
What is the title, author and/or ISBN of the book?
>> Is it purely something that you have imagined, or is
>> there any evidence whatsoever that supports those beliefs?
>You asked me a fair question; why did you have to follow it up with abuse?
I asked you a question that was entirely reasonable, given the
unsupported allegations you have made.
--
Cynic
Cynic
<inv...@invalid.invalid.net> wrote:
>Tony Dragon <tony....@btinternet.com> wrote in
>news:bMSdndZR3J9Y5mbQ...@bt.com:
>
>> No,no.no, he asked for proof.
>>
>> Now just to help you.
>>
>> Produce proof that Gerry McCann was/is a Freemason
>> Produce proof that David Payne was/is a Mason.
>> Produce proof that David Payne was/is a paedophile.
>> Produce proof the Gerry McCann & David Payne were/are friends.
>>
>> There you go, give us the answers.
>
>Is any of this denied?
Yes
> Why don't Freemasons give us access to their
>membership records?
Why don't you give us access to your medical records?
--
Cynic
KIV11
> Why don't you give us access to your medical records?
Look, a valid question, time for him to change the subject, again!
sutartsorric
The Judiciária’s 48 questions that Kate did not answer
On the 3rd of May 2007, at around 10 p.m., when you entered the
apartment, what did you see, what did you do, where did you search,
what did you handle?
Did you search in the couple’s bedroom’s closet? (said she would not
reply)
(Two photographs of her bedroom’s closet are exhibited) Can you
describe its contents?
Why are the curtains in front of the side window, behind the sofa
(photograph is exhibited) ruffled? Did someone pass behind that sofa?
How long did the search that you made in the apartment after detecting
the disappearance of your daughter Madeleine take?
Why did you say straight away that Madeleine had been abducted?
Presuming that Madeleine had been abducted, why did you leave the
twins alone at home while you went to the Tapas to raise the alarm?
Even because the supposed abductor could still be inside the
apartment.
Why didn’t you ask the twins at that moment what had happened to their
sister, or why didn’t you ask them at a later point in time?
When you raised the alarm at the Tapas, what exactly did you say and
what were the words?
What happened after you raised the alarm at the Tapas?
Why did you do to warn your friends instead of calling out from the
balcony?
Who contacted the authorities?
Who participated in the searches?
Did anyone outside of the group learn about Maddie’s disappearance
during the following minutes?
Did any neighbour offer you help after the disappearance?
What does the expression “we let her down” mean?
Did Jane mention to you that she had see a man with a child that
night?
How were the authorities contacted and which police force was called?
During the searches, and already with the police present, in what
locations was Maddie searched for, how and in what manner?
Why didn’t the twins wake up during that search, or when they went to
the upper floor?
Who did you call after the facts?
Did you call SKY News?
Did you know about the danger of calling the media, because that could
influence the abductor?
Did you request the presence of a priest?
How was Madeleine’s face publicized, with a photograph, or other
media?
Is it true that during the search you remained seated on Maddie’s bed
without moving?
How did you behave that evening?
Did you manage to sleep?
Before the trip to Portugal, did you comment on a bad feeling or a bad
premonition?
What was Madeleine’s behaviour?
Did Maddie suffer of any disease or did she take any kind of
medication?
What was the relationship like between Madeleine and her siblings?
What was the relationship like between Madeleine and her siblings, her
friends and her colleagues at school?
Concerning your professional life, in how many and in which hospitals
have you worked?
What is your medical specialty?
Did you work by shifts, in emergency rooms or in other departments?
Did you work on a daily basis?
Did you stop working at a certain point in time? Why?
Do your twin children have difficulty in falling asleep, are they
unruly and does that upset you?
Is it true that at certain times you were desperate over your
children’s attitude and that left you were upset?
Is it true that in England you considered the possibility of handing
over Madeleine’s guardianship to a relative?
In England, did you give your children medication? What type of
medication?
Within the process, you were shown films of cynotechnical inspection
of forensic character, where the dogs can be seen marking indications
of human cadaver odour and equally human blood traces, and only of
human origin, as well as all the comments that were made by the
responsible expert. After the visualization, and after cadaver odour
was signaled in your bedroom next to the wardrobe and behind the sofa
that was pushed against the living room window, you said that you
could not explain anything apart from what you had already said?
You said that you could not explain anything apart from what you had
already said, concerning the marking of human blood behind the sofa by
the detection dog
You said that you could not explain anything apart from what you had
already said, concerning the marking of cadaver odour in the boot of
the vehicle that you rented a month after the disappearance?
You said that you could not explain anything apart from what you had
already said, concerning the marking of human blood in the boot of the
vehicle?
You said that you could not explain anything apart from what you had
already said, upon being confronted with the result of the collection
of Maddie’s DNA, which was analysed by a British lab, behind the sofa
and inside the vehicle’s boot?
Did you have any responsibility or intervention in the disappearance
of your daughter?
The Todal
> On Jun 18, 7:14 pm, KIV11 <KI...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> On Jun 18, 12:01 pm, cynic_...@yahoo.co.uk (Cynic) wrote:
>>
>>> Why don't you give us access to your medical records?
>>
>> Look, a valid question, time for him to change the subject, again!
>
>
Blah, blah, blah. What part of "she had already answered these questions
repeatedly and at this point she had just become an arguida (suspect) and
her Portuguese lawyer advised her to remain silent so she followed his
advice and remained silent" do you not understand? Oh, you missed it the
first time. Well, now you know. Doesn't stop you repeating the same lame
point, but I can't guarantee that I'll always be there to remind you of the
correct answer.
sutartsorric
> sutartsorric wrote:
> > On Jun 18, 7:14 pm, KIV11 <KI...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> On Jun 18, 12:01 pm, cynic_...@yahoo.co.uk (Cynic) wrote:
>
> >>> Why don't you give us access to your medical records?
>
> >> Look, a valid question, time for him to change the subject, again!
>
>
> Blah, blah, blah. What part of "she had already answered these questions
> repeatedly and at this point she had just become an arguida (suspect) and
> her Portuguese lawyer advised her to remain silent so she followed his
> advice and remained silent" do you not understand?
Ah! but she did not remain silent, so there is no need to get all smug
and self satisfied with me.
You have already shown your extreme ignorance by your previous
answers.
The question that Kate McCann answered,
Are you aware of the fact that by not answering these questions you
may compromise the investigation, which is trying to find out what
happened to your daughter?
She said “yes, if the investigation thinks so.”
Back to the drawing board for you, yet again......
Pilotiin
>>> Are you a Freemason?
>>
>> Come on Tony are you a Free Mason or do you charge?
>
> Quite reasonable rates �75/hour half price if you order before
> 5.30pm on a Saturday, discounts given for returning customers,
> personal service will mean a suplement being charged.
Why can't you answer a simple question: are you a Freemason?
Pilotiin
news:3ffb389e-bfdf-4552...@u7g2000yqc.googlegroups.com:
>> Are you a Freemason?
>
> So no answer then.
Have another go: are you a Freemason?
Pilotiin
news:aa5d3883-cea0-4d21...@c41g2000yqm.googlegroups.com:
> Care to explain that.
A paedophile is a person who abuses children, like Brother David Payne, a
Freemason friend of Brother Gerry McCann.
Pilotiin
>> It's fairly well known that Brother Gerry McCann is a Freemason
>
> Is it? Who else "knows" it besides yourself?
Yes. The Freemason who told me.
Pilotiin
news:fe66a3fb-ef0d-45c4...@k24g2000yqb.googlegroups.com:
>> Are you a Freemason?
>
> Does it matter?
Are you a Freemason?
Pilotiin
news:lqipv69qjhm1qrjdv...@4ax.com:
>> Are you a Freemason?
>
> You need help.
Oh look: the standard Masonic abuse.
Pilotiin
news:7p4pv69t4saf8p74f...@4ax.com:
> He doesn't like them so that is proof enough for him.
Do you like murdering Freemasons?
Pilotiin
Pilotiin
> Produce proof that Gerry McCann was/is a Freemason
How?
Pilotiin
>> Wasn't that long ago that religion was used
>> as an excuse for genital mutilation.
>
> Is it not still current in some places.
Hence Freemasons all have a religion behind which they hide their
disgusting practices.
Pilotiin
news:964e9q...@mid.individual.net:
> Blah, blah, blah. What part of "she had already answered
> these questions repeatedly [ . . . ]?"
When did Kate McCann answer those questions?
Why, when Kate McCann claims she discovered Madeleine was missing, did she
return to the Tapas bar, leaving the apartment vacant for someone to
"abduct" her other two children? Why could Kate McCann not inform the
other by mobile telephone or by shouting from the balcony?
Pilotiin
news:6825a5ab-4b36-4d14...@f2g2000yqh.googlegroups.com:
> The question that Kate McCann answered,
When did Kate McCann answer "Did you call SKY News?"
Pilotiin
> Man is born freemason, but everywhere he is in chains.
> We all need to find the freemason within ourselves.
> Brandish your trowel, mix that mortar with pride.
Are you a Freemason?
Pilotiin
news:45be9e4a-9cb1-475f...@v12g2000vby.googlegroups.com:
> How strange that a superior race are so paranoid?
You'd be paranoid if you killed your own daughter.
Pilotiin
news:1e3b2960-adb2-4106...@i4g2000yqg.googlegroups.com:
> Apparently we have to produce proof that members
> of secret societies are actually members?
They never say the type of proof they expect.
Pilotiin
news:28a4b74e-5de3-4898...@g12g2000yqd.googlegroups.com:
>> Apparently we have to produce proof that members
>> of secret societies are actually members?
>
> Not a unreasonable requestas the poster is saying they are.
What sort of proof do you believe it is not "unreasonable" to produce?
Pilotiin
news:k1jnv6touahmp99j8...@4ax.com:
> You expect answers from this idiot?
What is an idiot?
> He will just change the subject or
> meander off in a different direction while repeating
> the same set of silly, unprovable claims.
If these claims are un-provable, as you say, why do you ask me to prove
them?
Pilotiin
> You are of course right, but prodding him can be fun,
> but you are right I should not mock the afflicted.
Do you mean Madeleine McCann was afflicted with highly litigious
psychopathic parents?
sutartsorric
> Tony Dragon <tony.dra...@btinternet.com> wrote innews:d4KdnaH-0P1BRmbQ...@bt.com:
>
> > You are of course right, but prodding him can be fun,
> > but you are right I should not mock the afflicted.
>
> Do you mean Madeleine McCann was afflicted with highly litigious
> psychopathic parents?
What intrigues me about this whole affair is not if the girl is alive
or dead, or how she went missing; but why have all the 100% rebuttal
toadies been wheeled out to fire both barrels at anyone who might dare
suggest the 'official' story is full of inconsistencies?
It is not as if the McCanns are on a par with David Kelly, Princess
Diana or Jean Charles De Menezes and yet exactly the same tactics are
used to silence any hint of opposition to the perceived truth. There
are thousands of children who go missing every year, but it seems only
the McCanns have the ability to mobilise the Masonic Murdoch media in
order to get very rich at the gullible publics' expense. Why?
This type of media mobilisation is usually only forthcoming when
politicians, senior police and/or the judiciary are implicated in some
murky or corrupt activities which need to be swept under a very
expensive carpet. What will be next? All files on the McCann case made
secret and not to be examined for 100 years?
They are just a couple of doctors from Leicester, FFS.
The Guardian has pursued a lonely path trying to force the plod to
actually investigate the phone hacking scandal with any seriousness,
but they may be missing the true point here. It is not the miserable z-
list celebrities who have had their phones hacked that are important,
it is the people who were not on the list.
No one is the least bit interested in what messages were sent to and
from Andy Gray's mobile, but a transcript of texts and messages from
Kate & Gerry McCann's various mobiles would be dynamite.
However, none of the gutter press seem capable of working this out.
I wonder if the Masonic Murdoch press restricted phone hacking only to
non-Masons, therefore the famous people who were left alone are the
ones to ask questions about?
HRH Will and Harry? They probably refused to join a lodge, having
taken advice from their Mum many years earlier - is that why they were
targetted?
Tony Dragon
No
PeterG
> PeterG <petergra...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote innews:3ffb389e-bfdf-4552...@u7g2000yqc.googlegroups.com:
>
> >> Are you a Freemason?
>
> > So no answer then.
>
> Have another go: are you a Freemason?
Still editing the posts to avoid awkward questions.
You answer first, you know the question, they're the ones you edited
out.
Tony Dragon
What practise is that?
Tony Dragon
How do you know he was a Maason?
PeterG
> PeterG <petergra...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote innews:aa5d3883-cea0-4d21...@c41g2000yqm.googlegroups.com:
>
> > Care to explain that.
>
> A paedophile is a person who abuses children,
True
> like Brother David Payne, a
> Freemason friend of Brother Gerry McCann.
Proof
But again you are editing the post, as you well know I was not asking
about paedophiles
Tony Dragon
Err, don't think so.
Tony Dragon
Come on David, tell us, have you murdered a Freemason?
Tony Dragon
Your choice, put up or shut up.