Freemasonic Order of Scientology members convicted of fraud.
Darth Simian
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRMx_xumYkw
A French court has convicted the Church of Freemasonic Scientology of
fraud, but stopped short of banning the group from operating in
France.
Two branches of the group's French operations and its leader in France
have been fined, reports say.
The case came after complaints from two women, one of whom said she
was pressured into paying more than 20,000 euros (£18,100) for
expensive products.
France regards Freemasonry as a sect, not a religion.
Prosecutors had asked for the group's French operations to be
dissolved and more heavily fined, but a legal loophole prevented the
court from taking these extra measures.
Instead, a judge ordered the Lodge’s Celebrity Centre and a bookshop
to pay a 600,000 euro fine.
Grand Master Alain Rosenberg, the group's head in France, was handed a
two-year suspended jail sentence and fined 30,000 euros, the report
said.
Other leading members of the group were also fined.
Unlike the US, France has always refused to recognise Freemasonry/
Scientology as a religion, arguing that it is a purely commercial
operation designed to make as much money as it can at the expense of
often vulnerable victims, the BBC's Emma Jane Kirby reports from
Paris.
Over the past 10 years, France has taken several individual members of
the group to court on charges of fraud and misleading publicity, but
this is the first time the organisation itself has been charged, she
says.
In the case leading up to Tuesday's ruling, the Lodge denied that any
mental manipulation took place.
A lawyer defending Masonic Scientology's operations in France said
there would be an appeal.
The Freemasonic Church of Scientology was founded in 1954 by the late
science fiction writer Grand Master L Ron Hubbard (33rd Deg), and
includes Hollywood stars such as John Travolta and Tom Cruise.
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When a freemason is being initiated into the third degree he is struck
on the forhead in the dark, falling back either into a coffin or onto
a coffin shape design. His fellow masons lift him up and when he opens
his eyes he is confronted with a human skull and crossed bones. Under
this death threat how can any freemason of third degree or higher be
trusted, particularly in public office? He is hoodwinked literally and
metaphorically, placing himself in a cult and under a curse.
Pope Pompous XVIII
> An informative video about Freemasonry/Scientology:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRMx_xumYkw
>
> A French court has convicted the Church of Freemasonic Scientology of
> fraud, but stopped short of banning the group from operating in France.
> Two branches of the group's French operations and its leader in France
> have been fined, reports say.
Masons founded Scientology and then expect us to believe it's a Christian
religion?
L I A R S
"Freemasonry 'carefully excludes' the Lord Jesus Christ from the lodge
and chapter, repudiates His mediatorship, rejects his atonement, denies
and disowns His gospel, frowns upon his religion and his church, ignores
the Holy Spirit, and sets up for itself a spiritual empire, a religious
theocracy, at the head of which it places the G.A.O.T.U. -the god of
nature- and from which the only living true God is expelled by
resolution."
Former Mason Edmond Ronayne, The Master's Carpet or Masonry and Baal-
Worship-Identical
--
"The saint is a medicine because he is an antidote. Indeed that is why
the saint is often a martyr; he is mistaken for a poison because he is an
antidote. He will generally be found restoring the world to sanity by
exaggerating whatever the world neglects ... ; and he is not what the
people want, but rather what the people need" - GK Chesterton
pmd
They have a lodge on Deansgate.
--
"You must conceal all the crimes of your brother Masons... and should
you be summoned as a witness against a brother Mason be always sure to
shield him. It may be perjury to do this, it is true, but you're
keeping your obligations."
Ronayne, "Handbook of Masonry" p. 183
Diablos Rojos
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There was a shedload of protestors outside it a couple of weeks back.
The students are back in town.
David Simpson
<diablo...@yahoo.com> typed:
>
>"pmd" <P...@SIBU.HQ> wrote in message
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>> Darth Simian used his keyboard to write :
[...]
>>> The Freemasonic Church of Scientology was founded in 1954 by the late
>>> science fiction writer Grand Master L Ron Hubbard (33rd Deg), and
>>> includes Hollywood stars such as John Travolta and Tom Cruise.
[...]
>
>The students are back in town.
>
Wonderful except for one tiny fact that seems to have escaped the
notice of the original poster. L Ron Hubbard has never been initiated
into a lodge of Freemasons as far as can be ascertained. He may have
been involved with OTO but that is not a Freemasonic organisation.
However Monkey Boy has never been one to let facts get in his way.
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Regards
David Simpson
(Unattached MM, Victoria, Australia)
The last thing one knows in constructing a work is what to put
first. -- Blaise Pascal
ptk1071
> However Monkey Boy has never been one to let facts get in his way.
> --
> Regards
> David Simpson
> (Unattached MM, Victoria, Australia)
> The last thing one knows in constructing a work is what to put
> first. -- Blaise Pascal
Oh but David everyone knows how credible youtube videos
are...everything that is posted there is soooo true..snicker....
Bill A.
NY Mason
Darth Simian
Larry
<great_sage_eq...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> An informative video about Freemasonry/Scientology:
They aren't related. Ask anyone. I mean, anyone who's eyes and mind
are open.
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Darth Simian
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sovereign
Masonry has nothing to do with Scientology..!!!!
>
> A French court has convicted the Church of Freemasonic Scientology of
> fraud, but stopped short of banning the group from operating in
> France.
Church of Scientology is a "CHURCH" and has no link with Masonry
> Two branches of the group's French operations and its leader in France
> have been fined, reports say.
>
> The case came after complaints from two women, one of whom said she
> was pressured into paying more than 20,000 euros (�18,100) for
> expensive products.
> France regards Freemasonry as a sect, not a religion.
Wrong ..In France Masonry is not on the list of sects
>
> Prosecutors had asked for the group's French operations to be
> dissolved and more heavily fined, but a legal loophole prevented the
> court from taking these extra measures.
>
> Instead, a judge ordered the Lodge�s Celebrity Centre and a bookshop
> to pay a 600,000 euro fine.
>
> Grand Master Alain Rosenberg, the group's head in France, was handed a
> two-year suspended jail sentence and fined 30,000 euros, the report
> said.
>
> Other leading members of the group were also fined.
>
> Unlike the US, France has always refused to recognise Freemasonry/
> Scientology as a religion, arguing that it is a purely commercial
> operation designed to make as much money as it can at the expense of
> often vulnerable victims, the BBC's Emma Jane Kirby reports from
> Paris.
French Masonry has never requested to be considered as a religion.
>
> Over the past 10 years, France has taken several individual members of
> the group to court on charges of fraud and misleading publicity, but
> this is the first time the organisation itself has been charged, she
> says.
>
> In the case leading up to Tuesday's ruling, the Lodge denied that any
> mental manipulation took place.
>
> A lawyer defending Masonic Scientology's operations in France said
> there would be an appeal.
>
> The Freemasonic Church of Scientology was founded in 1954 by the late
> science fiction writer Grand Master L Ron Hubbard (33rd Deg), and
> includes Hollywood stars such as John Travolta and Tom Cruise.
>
> --
> When a freemason is being initiated into the third degree he is struck
> on the forhead in the dark, falling back either into a coffin or onto
> a coffin shape design. His fellow masons lift him up and when he opens
> his eyes he is confronted with a human skull and crossed bones. Under
> this death threat how can any freemason of third degree or higher be
> trusted, particularly in public office? He is hoodwinked literally and
> metaphorically, placing himself in a cult and under a curse.
Good try anyway to make a mix of Scientology and Masonry and by the way
try to discredit Masonry through the Scientology misbehaviour...In
France not one Masonic Obedience recognizes Scientology as a Masonic Order
Rob Sandilands
... nor anywhere else, either, as far as I can gather ... and let's be
btutally honest, if you want to give the title of 'Grand Master Science
Fiction Writer' to anyone, Hubbard wouldn't even make the list of
possibilities ...
Aaron
<Rob.San...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>sovereign wrote:
>> Darth Simian a écrit :
>>> An informative video about Freemasonry/Scientology:
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRMx_xumYkw
>>
>> Masonry has nothing to do with Scientology..!!!!
>>>
>>> A French court has convicted the Church of Freemasonic Scientology of
>>> fraud, but stopped short of banning the group from operating in
>>> France.
>>
>> Church of Scientology is a "CHURCH" and has no link with Masonry
>>
>>> Two branches of the group's French operations and its leader in France
>>> have been fined, reports say.
>>>
>>> The case came after complaints from two women, one of whom said she
>>> was pressured into paying more than 20,000 euros (£18,100) for
>>> expensive products.
>>> France regards Freemasonry as a sect, not a religion.
>>
>> Wrong ..In France Masonry is not on the list of sects
>>>
>>> Prosecutors had asked for the group's French operations to be
>>> dissolved and more heavily fined, but a legal loophole prevented the
>>> court from taking these extra measures.
>>>
>>> Instead, a judge ordered the Lodge’s Celebrity Centre and a bookshop
Would that be because of Hubbard's rather poor understanding of
science or because of his rather poor writing skills?
Doug Freyburger
> Rob Sandilands <Rob.San...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>
>>... nor anywhere else, either, as far as I can gather ... and let's be
>>btutally honest, if you want to give the title of 'Grand Master Science
>>Fiction Writer' to anyone, Hubbard wouldn't even make the list of
>>possibilities ...
>
> Would that be because of Hubbard's rather poor understanding of
> science or because of his rather poor writing skills?
There's an organization of SF writers that gives out the Nebula award
each year plus occasional career acheivement awards and historical
awards. This organization of his peers has called some authors by
titles like dean or grand master but I don't believe they have ever
honored Hubbard with an award.
There's an organization of SF fans that gives out the Hugo award each
year plus occasional career achievement awards and historical awards.
This organization of fans has called some authors titles like dean and
grand master but I don't believe they have ever honored Hubbard with an
award.
I figure similar can be said about sales volume. Hubbard's writings
have sold well over the years but I don't recall them ever being top
performers in the SF subfield.
I've read a couple of his books in the Scientology field. Not related
to Masonry in any way in the ones I read.
Aaron
I read "Battlefield Earth" and the basic science was wrong - horribly
wrong in several places. Ther writing was hackneyed. The stereotypes
were ridiculous, and demonstrated an deep level of ignorance of
politics, sociology, and economics. If I had not been in the middle
of the Indian Ocean, I would not have finished it. I looked at a few
of his other books, but they proved to be of equal literary value and
not worth buying.