In article <1998082504021000.AAA29...@ladder03.news.aol.com>, trueg...@aol.com (TrueGspl) wrote:
> What a list of occultists! And you proud of them?? Well I guess so, how about > nameing all the witches, worlocks, satatnists, luciferians, and other God > haters??? You just named some, how about the rest??????
Perhaps you should stop lying: Kadafie, Arafat,Stalin, Levey, and Dalmar are not and never have been masons. Kadafie and Stalin where in fact staunch anti masons (as was hitler and the ayotollah). Please give the names of ANY masons on Death Row or in prison for child molestations. Please list even one lodge in a Prison . That would be odd since being convicted of a felony means an automatic expulsion from the lodge.
But I have come to realize that you really enjoy lying.
> Kadifie > Arafat > Hall > Pike > Hitler > Stalin > Joe Smith > Alester Crowley > Anton Levey > Timothy Levy > Jeffery Dallmer > And a host of masons on death row, in prison for sexual child abuse, the ones > who are on the run from child support. The fastest growing lodges in america, > ARE IN PRISONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> American Freemason PG. 5 Northern Jurisdition, Vol.3 1997
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You will notice in my reply to this post I never claimed that Masonry did not have any secrets. I have always maintained that we do not tell the outside world the ritual work of the three degrees in Masonry taught in the Masonic Lodge, nor the grips and words for each degree. If you wish to ask of other things, I or my brothers will answer. The above things we do not discuss with the uninitiated.
In order to have aBrother talk to you about those things you wish, you have to earn the right. You have not done so.
Perhaps you would like to share some things with us. Say the number of your checking and savings account, how much undeclared income you had last year and your social security number. If you have no secrets, why not post these things for the world to see?
Besides. Where in the WORD does it say that it is wrong to have secrets? Verse and text please.
"It is easy enough to be friendly to one's friends. But to befriend the one who regards himself as your enemy is the quintessense of true religion. The other is just mere business." Mohandas K. Gandhi (1869-1948)
In article <1998082503515600.XAA27...@ladder03.news.aol.com>, trueg...@aol.com (TrueGspl) wrote:
> >I'm a little confused. With so many indivual Masonic websites, personal > >pages > >of Masons, Grand Lodge websites, and the like. what kind of information are > >you > >looking for?
> Well give us the passwords for the first three degrees in masonry if there are > no secrets. Or how about how much money your lodge has? Come on now, this is > some info you can share. Explain for us the due guard for the master mason. > Masons like to say the monitors do not contain all the rituals, so tell us what > is left out. Just for starters since you volenterd to tell us some info! > HAHAHAHAHAAHAH
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TrueGspl wrote: > What a list of occultists! And you proud of them?? Well I guess so, how about > nameing all the witches, worlocks, satatnists, luciferians, and other God > haters??? You just named some, how about the rest??????
> Kadifie > Arafat > Hall > Pike > Hitler > Stalin > Joe Smith > Alester Crowley > Anton Levey > Timothy Levy > Jeffery Dallmer > And a host of masons on death row, in prison for sexual child abuse, the ones > who are on the run from child support. The fastest growing lodges in america, > ARE IN PRISONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> American Freemason PG. 5 Northern Jurisdition, Vol.3 1997
What is the word whispered from one mason's ear to another mason's ear when they meet toe to toe, knee to knee, breast to breast, hand to back, and mouth to ear (or what ever variation of such that your group uses)?
trueg...@aol.com (TrueGspl) wrote: >What a list of occultists! And you proud of them??
Proud of people like George Washington, Benjamin Franklin, Harry S Truman, "Buzz" Aldrin and Virgil Grissom? You bet your sweet bippy I am. :>
>Well I guess so, how about >nameing all the witches, worlocks, satatnists, luciferians, and other God >haters???
If you want to discuss "witches, worlocks, satanists, luciferians, and other God haters", go start another NG. This is alt.freemasonry, and as such exists for the discussion of Freemasonry - which has no causal relationship with this line noise.
>You just named some, how about the rest??????
For the lurkers out there - let's take a closer look at TrueGspl's list and see just how much applicability it has to Masonry, shall we?
>Kadifie
Never been a Mason.
>Arafat
Never been a Mason.
>Hall
I assume you are referring to Manly Hall. Are you referring to his writings *before* he became a Mason?
>Pike
Was labelled a worshipper of Lucifer years after his death in a hoax which was later publicly exposed by the perpetuator (frequently referred to in this NG as the "Leo Taxil hoax"). A detailed discussion of the hoax may be found at http://www.chrysalis.org/masonry/stb_0693.htm . Is this the best you can do, TrueGspl - repeat lies about a dead man?
>Hitler >Stalin
Neither were Masons - in fact, both pursued an active anti-Masonic agenda aimed at eradicating Freemasonry. A couple of your heroes, TrueGspl? After all, your anti-Masonic agenda seems to be in line with theirs....
>Joe Smith
While I do not personally subscribe to the Mormon system of belief, I fail to see how you justifiably label Joseph Smith as a 'God hater'. Is it because his beliefs are different than yours?
>Alester Crowley
Depends upon what you define as Masonry. Crowley claimed in his 'Confessions...' that in 1904 he had been raised in Anglo-Saxon Lodge No. 343 in Paris. Anglo-Saxon Lodge No. 343 is a Grand Orient Lodge, and as such is considered 'irregular' - i.e., members of this Lodge are not considered Masons by the body of regular Masonry.
(BTW - that's "Aleister")
>Anton Levey
That's Lavey, and he was never a Mason.
>Timothy Levy
Who??? Are you perchance referring to Timothy McVeigh? If so, he was never a Mason - he was an anti-Mason, as a matter of fact. Good company you're keeping there, TrueGspl!
>Jeffery Dallmer
That's Dahmer, and he was never a Mason.
>And a host of masons on death row, in prison for sexual child abuse, the ones >who are on the run from child support. The fastest growing lodges in america, >ARE IN PRISONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Prove your claim.
Floyd Dennis, Jr. Sam Davis Lodge #661 F.&A.M., Smyrna, Tennessee http://sam_davis.home.mindspring.com/ 32° AASR, S.J. USA, Valley of Nashville, Orient of TN fbden...@mindspring.com
On 25 Aug 1998 03:31:10 GMT, "AUBREY BROWN SR" <AubreyABBr...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
*Gene, * *You forgot to mention Avengers in your list of notable Freemasons!
Oh, I didn't forget. I only post the ones I know or have reason to believe are Masons. That alone leaves him out. Added to that is the consideration that I listed names that are known to people outside this newsgroup, which, once again, leaves out our insignificant, confused, little resident nazi.
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On 25 Aug 1998 04:02:10 GMT, trueg...@aol.com (TrueGspl) wrote:
*What a list of occultists!
Occultists? <ROFL> Bishop Carl J Sander (United Methodist Church), an "occultist"? The Reverend George W. Truett (President of the Southern Baptist Convention),an "occultist"? The Reverend John A O'Brien, Ph.D. (Roman Catholic Preist and professor of theology at the University of Notre Dame), an "occultist"? Cardinal Mariano Rampolla (Roman Catholic Cardinal), an "occultist"? Father Francisco Calvo (Catholic Priest who started Freemasonry in Costa Rica in 1865), an "occultist"? Reverend Dr. Norman Vincent Peale (Methodist Episcopal minister and author), an "occultist"? Titus Low (President of Methodist Council of Bishops), an "occultist"? Dr. Martin Luther King, an "occultist"? Jesse Jackson (Operation P.U.S.H. and AME Baptist Church), an "occultist"?
What a strange use of the word "occultist".
*And you proud of them??
You bet.
*Well I guess so, how about nameing all the witches, worlocks, satatnists, *luciferians, and other God haters???
Aside from many of the antis who post here, I don't know of any.
However, here are a few names from your "side of the tracks": Men who have been most vocal in their opposition to the fraternity of Freemasonry: Pat Robertson, Rev Jim Bakker, Jimmy Swaggart, Adolf Hitler, Tomas de Torquemada, Josef Stalin, Benito Mussolini, Saddam Hussein, Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, and Moammar Khaddafi
Interesting comparison, isn't it?
|O| Be well. Travel with a light heart.
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rvancura writes: >>if the masons didn't hide >>themselves and their beliefs in so much secrecy and "non-answers"
>I'm a little confused. With so many indivual Masonic websites, personal >pages >of Masons, Grand Lodge websites, and the like. what kind of information are >you >looking for?
That's just masonic propoganda! There is nothing about esoteric masonry or the true secrets of masonry on these websites.
Never trust anyone that belongs to a Secret Society!!!
hypnosis writes: >Oh, I didn't forget. I only post the ones I know or have reason to believe >are >Masons. That alone leaves him out. Added to that is the consideration that I >listed names that are known to people outside this newsgroup, which, once >again, >leaves out our insignificant, confused, little resident nazi
If you notice, this is the kind of response that is posted 99% of the time from masons. And they are such good people! LOL!
Never trust anyone that belongs to a Secret Society!!!
hypnosis writes: >Ok, here it is, in plain nonMason language (whatever that is): >The teachings of Masonry (hardly secret, but that's all we have) are >Brotherly >Love, Relief, Truth, Faith, Hope, Charity, Tolerance, Temprence, Fortitude, >Prudence and Justice.
This is just the propoganda and the teachings of exoteric masonry. But if you do some research and read what their own masonic authors write, then you will realize that. You will learn that there is a hidden, secret meaning to everything about masonry.
Never trust anyone that belongs to a Secret Society!!!
xeonn writes: >Considering your posts paint you as a contemptible Mason baiting twit >I seriously doubt that anyone really cares what you or your ilk thinks >if you think at all.
>The facts appear to be that you are a pathetic person who has no life >of your own and must come begging to a newsgroup that you can not >understand the subject of and certainly could never be a member of the >organization discussed and plead for attention. Were it not for >compassion and pity I doubt you would receive so much as a single >response to your twitisms.
This is what being a mason is all about! LOL!
Never trust anyone that belongs to a Secret Society!!!
Floyd Dennis wrote in message <35e2b41a.5747...@news.mindspring.com>... >trueg...@aol.com (TrueGspl) wrote: >>And a host of masons on death row, in prison for sexual child abuse, the ones >>who are on the run from child support. The fastest growing lodges in america, >>ARE IN PRISONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>Prove your claim.
>Floyd Dennis, Jr. >Sam Davis Lodge #661 F.&A.M., Smyrna, Tennessee >http://sam_davis.home.mindspring.com/ >32° AASR, S.J. USA, Valley of Nashville, Orient of TN >fbden...@mindspring.com
>In article <1998082523190900.TAA23...@ladder01.news.aol.com>, rayb...@aol.com >(Raybert) wrote: > You will learn that there is a hidden, secret meaning to >>everything about masonry.
>Curious here again...what is the secret meaning to Masonry? I ust have >missed >that part. And again, if it's so secret, how come you know about it?
>Steven
From that statement, you must be a mason. So tell me, have you just gone through the rituals and had a few drinks with the boys or have you ever done any real research into the cult you belong too?
Never trust anyone that belongs to a Secret Society!!!
You are so right! As we speak, our secret agents are infiltrating your house just the way they have Avengers in Britian! When you hear a strange sound in the night....You guessed it, another bug has been planted. Your telephone lines are tapped and laser sensors are focused on every window of your house so we can keep track of your every sound. Tiny little video cameras are secreted in every nook and cranny so we know your most intimate moments (short though they are). Fly-bys ten times a day by spy planes keep track of your daytime activities and at night silenced black "Sky Cranes" of te La. Air National Guard watch you with infared cameras. Tens of thousands of us are losing sleep every night wondering what youare going to do next. We can't wait for the next article you post under what ever nick you choose for the day.
Richard Jackson, PM Corrigan Masonic Lodge #1103 AF&AM Corrigan, Texas
In article <1998082523121500.TAA22...@ladder01.news.aol.com>, rayb...@aol.com (Raybert) wrote:
> >>if the masons didn't hide > >>themselves and their beliefs in so much secrecy and "non-answers"
> >I'm a little confused. With so many indivual Masonic websites, personal > >pages > >of Masons, Grand Lodge websites, and the like. what kind of information are > >you > >looking for?
> That's just masonic propoganda! There is nothing about esoteric masonry or the > true secrets of masonry on these websites.
> Never trust anyone that belongs to a Secret Society!!!
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It is NOT -as you call it "A SECRET SOCIETY" there is nothing secret about it as you will see if you visit a library (you do know what a library is dont you?)
It is very obvious that you have focused your "research" via the internet newsgroups, you have a very distorted view point - have you ever spoken to anyone who has benefited from the works freemasons do ? if not do so
In article <1998082523190900.TAA23...@ladder01.news.aol.com>, rayb...@aol.com (Raybert) wrote:
> hypnosis writes:
> >Ok, here it is, in plain nonMason language (whatever that is): > >The teachings of Masonry (hardly secret, but that's all we have) are > >Brotherly > >Love, Relief, Truth, Faith, Hope, Charity, Tolerance, Temprence, Fortitude, > >Prudence and Justice.
> This is just the propoganda and the teachings of exoteric masonry. But if you > do some research and read what their own masonic authors write, then you will > realize that. You will learn that there is a hidden, secret meaning to > everything about masonry.
No that is exactly what masonry teaches every single mason.
> Never trust anyone that belongs to a Secret Society!!!
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No I wouldn't think so. It would be more like "Can I check your fly?", or was I not supposed to reveal that part of the ritual?
Now why would you want to be checking their fly? Aren't you the same guy who sits at home while you're wife works? Have you got something "in the closet" she should know about?
>You are so right! As we speak, our secret agents are infiltrating your house >just the way they have Avengers in Britian! When you hear a strange sound in >the night....You guessed it, another bug has been planted. Your telephone >lines are tapped and laser sensors are focused on every window of your house >so we can keep track of your every sound. Tiny little video cameras are >secreted in every nook and cranny so we know your most intimate moments >(short >though they are). Fly-bys ten times a day by spy planes keep track of your >daytime activities and at night silenced black "Sky Cranes" of te La. Air >National Guard watch you with infared cameras. Tens of thousands of us are >losing sleep every night wondering what youare going to do next. We can't >wait for the next article you post under what ever nick you choose for the >day.
>> >>if the masons didn't hide >> >>themselves and their beliefs in so much secrecy and "non-answers"
>> >I'm a little confused. With so many indivual Masonic websites, personal >> >pages >> >of Masons, Grand Lodge websites, and the like. what kind of information >are >> >you >> >looking for?
>> That's just masonic propoganda! There is nothing about esoteric masonry or >the >> true secrets of masonry on these websites.
Great post. This is called masonic circumspection! LOL! What does this have to do with the esoteric meanings of masonry? Make light of it in an attempt to belittle. Masonry takes good men and makes them better! LOL!
Never trust anyone that belongs to a Secret Society!!!
*No that is exactly what masonry teaches every single mason.
And exactly what the antis hate so much about us. I often wonder, but have never been able to discover, what they dislike so much about the fraternity teaching these virtues.
|O| Be well. Travel with a light heart.
Eugene Goldman P.*. M.*. W.M. Black Mountain Lodge, #845, San Diego, Ca. http://www.blackmountainlodge.net p.m. Blackmer Lodge #442, San Diego, Ca. Southern Ca. Research Lodge A.A.S.R., Valley of San Diego
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>> What is the word whispered from one mason's ear to another mason's ear
Well, golly, this must be one of those secrets of Masonry! C'mon, tell us all, how do you get your ears to speak? Now, I know that this fella "Hate" seems to be able to speak from his butt, but I've never seen anyone whisper from his (or her) ear!
This post has as much to do with Freemasonry as most of your posts do. Why did you react so to an obvious attempt to poke fun at you. Was it the part of the parody which addressed your paranoia, or the part about your intimate moments that struck so close to home?
> >You are so right! As we speak, our secret agents are infiltrating your house > >just the way they have Avengers in Britian! When you hear a strange sound in > >the night....You guessed it, another bug has been planted. Your telephone > >lines are tapped and laser sensors are focused on every window of your house > >so we can keep track of your every sound. Tiny little video cameras are > >secreted in every nook and cranny so we know your most intimate moments > >(short > >though they are). Fly-bys ten times a day by spy planes keep track of your > >daytime activities and at night silenced black "Sky Cranes" of te La. Air > >National Guard watch you with infared cameras. Tens of thousands of us are > >losing sleep every night wondering what youare going to do next. We can't > >wait for the next article you post under what ever nick you choose for the > >day.
> >> >>if the masons didn't hide > >> >>themselves and their beliefs in so much secrecy and "non-answers"
> >> >I'm a little confused. With so many indivual Masonic websites, personal > >> >pages > >> >of Masons, Grand Lodge websites, and the like. what kind of information > >are > >> >you > >> >looking for?
> >> That's just masonic propoganda! There is nothing about esoteric masonry or > >the > >> true secrets of masonry on these websites.
> Great post. This is called masonic circumspection! LOL! What does this have > to do with the esoteric meanings of masonry? Make light of it in an attempt to > belittle. Masonry takes good men and makes them better! LOL!
> Never trust anyone that belongs to a Secret Society!!!
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> No I wouldn't think so. It would be more like "Can I check your fly?", or was > I not supposed to reveal that part of the ritual?
> Now why would you want to be checking their fly? Aren't you the same guy who > sits at home while you're wife works? Have you got something "in the closet" > she should know about?
