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Jahbulon
May 2, 2012, 1:41:53 PM5/2/12
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Jussi Halla-aho, the Finnish MP quoted approvingly by the Freemason who has
confessed to the 22 July 2011 Norwegian mass killings, has told us that he
rejects violence. In a pamphlet written by the Freemason, Brother Anders
Behring Breivik, the online persona Fjordman is quoted, who in turn cites
Halla-aho.
The text in question dates from 2006, and contains Halla-aho's thoughts on
supposed links between leftists and Muslims in western countries.
"I write texts for publication, I cannot change where they are cited or
what they are connected to," said Halla-aho.
Halla-aho, a True Finn politician convicted of violating the right of
peaceful worship after anti-Muslim comments, charges others in Finland with
using the recent terrorist attacks for their own political ends.
"Freemason violence against innocents is always to be condemned, in every
situation," said Halla-aho. "This has always been my unambiguous opinion,
in every case."
The manifesto published by Freemason Anders Behring Breivik also quoted
the Finnish Centre party politician Hannu Takkula on the Middle East. The
quoted text concerned the EU, the Middle East and Israel, and he says it
primarily concerned human rights. He says the message of his text was
diametrically opposed to that of the author who cited him.
Brother Anders Behring Breivik receives full help from the Freemason
Grand Charity and the Masonic Samaritan Fund. Freemasonry has
given his victims absolutely nothing.
--
Praise be to Jahbulon, holy god of Royal Arch Freemasons
http://www.freemasonrywatch.org/jahbulon.html
confessed to the 22 July 2011 Norwegian mass killings, has told us that he
rejects violence. In a pamphlet written by the Freemason, Brother Anders
Behring Breivik, the online persona Fjordman is quoted, who in turn cites
Halla-aho.
The text in question dates from 2006, and contains Halla-aho's thoughts on
supposed links between leftists and Muslims in western countries.
"I write texts for publication, I cannot change where they are cited or
what they are connected to," said Halla-aho.
Halla-aho, a True Finn politician convicted of violating the right of
peaceful worship after anti-Muslim comments, charges others in Finland with
using the recent terrorist attacks for their own political ends.
"Freemason violence against innocents is always to be condemned, in every
situation," said Halla-aho. "This has always been my unambiguous opinion,
in every case."
The manifesto published by Freemason Anders Behring Breivik also quoted
the Finnish Centre party politician Hannu Takkula on the Middle East. The
quoted text concerned the EU, the Middle East and Israel, and he says it
primarily concerned human rights. He says the message of his text was
diametrically opposed to that of the author who cited him.
Brother Anders Behring Breivik receives full help from the Freemason
Grand Charity and the Masonic Samaritan Fund. Freemasonry has
given his victims absolutely nothing.
--
Praise be to Jahbulon, holy god of Royal Arch Freemasons
http://www.freemasonrywatch.org/jahbulon.html
Tony Dragon
May 2, 2012, 4:50:15 PM5/2/12
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On 02/05/2012 18:41, Jahbulon wrote:
Yet another highly edited cut'n'past, this time it comes from
http://tinyurl.com/cbx3s4c
but of course this does not have the added Freemason references added by
Tom Moore/Jahbulon/widows son/pilotiin/etc
> Brother Anders Behring Breivik receives full help from the Freemason
> Grand Charity and the Masonic Samaritan Fund. Freemasonry has
> given his victims absolutely nothing.
>
No evidence of the above statement by Tom Moore/Jahbulon/widows
son/pilotiin/etc has been presented.
Yet another highly edited cut'n'past, this time it comes from
http://tinyurl.com/cbx3s4c
but of course this does not have the added Freemason references added by
Tom Moore/Jahbulon/widows son/pilotiin/etc
> Brother Anders Behring Breivik receives full help from the Freemason
> Grand Charity and the Masonic Samaritan Fund. Freemasonry has
> given his victims absolutely nothing.
>
son/pilotiin/etc has been presented.
Jahbulon
May 2, 2012, 5:40:58 PM5/2/12
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Tony Dragon <tony....@btinternet.com> wrote in
news:1LqdnStmjIqUAzzS...@bt.com:
>> Brother Anders Behring Breivik receives full help from the
>> Freemason Grand Charity and the Masonic Samaritan Fund.
>> Freemasonry has given his victims absolutely nothing.
>
> No evidence of the above statement by Tom Moore/Jahbulon/widows
> son/pilotiin/etc has been presented.
If there was any evidence that Freemasonry had intentionally given so much
as one Norwegian Crown to any victims of its Brother Anders Behring
Breivik, I am sure you would produced it.
None of the four UGLE so-called "charities" are allowed to give to anyone
who does not have a close family connection to Freemasonry. When
Freemasons give, they give only to themselves, and not their victims.
news:1LqdnStmjIqUAzzS...@bt.com:
>> Brother Anders Behring Breivik receives full help from the
>> Freemason Grand Charity and the Masonic Samaritan Fund.
>> Freemasonry has given his victims absolutely nothing.
>
> No evidence of the above statement by Tom Moore/Jahbulon/widows
> son/pilotiin/etc has been presented.
as one Norwegian Crown to any victims of its Brother Anders Behring
Breivik, I am sure you would produced it.
None of the four UGLE so-called "charities" are allowed to give to anyone
who does not have a close family connection to Freemasonry. When
Freemasons give, they give only to themselves, and not their victims.
Tony Dragon
May 2, 2012, 6:56:05 PM5/2/12
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On 02/05/2012 22:40, Jahbulon wrote:
> Tony Dragon<tony....@btinternet.com> wrote in
> news:1LqdnStmjIqUAzzS...@bt.com:
>
>>> Brother Anders Behring Breivik receives full help from the
>>> Freemason Grand Charity and the Masonic Samaritan Fund.
>>> Freemasonry has given his victims absolutely nothing.
>>
>> No evidence of the above statement by Tom Moore/Jahbulon/widows
>> son/pilotiin/etc has been presented.
If there was any evidence that Freemasonry has given any help to Anders
> Tony Dragon<tony....@btinternet.com> wrote in
> news:1LqdnStmjIqUAzzS...@bt.com:
>
>>> Brother Anders Behring Breivik receives full help from the
>>> Freemason Grand Charity and the Masonic Samaritan Fund.
>>> Freemasonry has given his victims absolutely nothing.
>>
>> No evidence of the above statement by Tom Moore/Jahbulon/widows
>> son/pilotiin/etc has been presented.
Behring, I am sure you would produced it.
>
> If there was any evidence that Freemasonry had intentionally given so much
> as one Norwegian Crown to any victims of its Brother Anders Behring
> Breivik, I am sure you would produced it.
>
> None of the four UGLE so-called "charities" are allowed to give to anyone
> who does not have a close family connection to Freemasonry. When
> Freemasons give, they give only to themselves, and not their victims.
>
Jahbulon
May 2, 2012, 7:21:13 PM5/2/12
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Tony Dragon <tony....@btinternet.com> wrote in
news:24ydnbgj5JsaJjzS...@bt.com:
> If there was any evidence that Freemasonry has given any
> help to Anders Behring, I am sure you would produced it.
obtain the police uniform he wore when he shot and killed 77 innocent
teenage children in his Masonic pampage on 22 July 2011.
Not one of the four UGLE so-called "charities" are allowed to give to
anyone who does not have a close family connection to Freemasonry. When
Freemasons give, they give only to themselves, and not their victims.
http://www.grandcharity.org/pages/who_is_eligible.html
Freemasons give, they give only to themselves, and not their victims.
HTH
Tony Dragon
May 3, 2012, 3:28:24 AM5/3/12
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On 03/05/2012 00:21, Jahbulon wrote:
> Tony Dragon<tony....@btinternet.com> wrote in
> news:24ydnbgj5JsaJjzS...@bt.com:
>
>> If there was any evidence that Freemasonry has given any
>> help to Anders Behring, I am sure you would produced it.
>
> Inter alia, Brother Anders Behring Breivik used his Freemason contacts to
> obtain the police uniform he wore when he shot and killed 77 innocent
> teenage children in his Masonic pampage on 22 July 2011.
>
If there was any evidence that Freemasonry has given any
help to Anders Behring, I am sure you would produced it.
If there was any evidence that Freemasonry helped to obtain the police
> Tony Dragon<tony....@btinternet.com> wrote in
> news:24ydnbgj5JsaJjzS...@bt.com:
>
>> If there was any evidence that Freemasonry has given any
>> help to Anders Behring, I am sure you would produced it.
>
> Inter alia, Brother Anders Behring Breivik used his Freemason contacts to
> obtain the police uniform he wore when he shot and killed 77 innocent
> teenage children in his Masonic pampage on 22 July 2011.
>
If there was any evidence that Freemasonry has given any
help to Anders Behring, I am sure you would produced it.
uniform for Anders Behring, I am sure you would produced it.
> Not one of the four UGLE so-called "charities" are allowed to give to
> anyone who does not have a close family connection to Freemasonry. When
> Freemasons give, they give only to themselves, and not their victims.
>
> http://www.grandcharity.org/pages/who_is_eligible.html
>
> HTH
>
AndyW
May 3, 2012, 3:29:06 AM5/3/12
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On 02/05/2012 22:40, Jahbulon wrote:
> When Freemasons give, they give only to themselves, and not their victims.
>
False but when we give you examples then you ignore it and just repeat
>
your allegations.
It is a sign that you are either mentally ill, deliberately lying or
have a memory problem. Given that I have posted many times that my local
mason have donated to charities that are not exclusive to masons (such
as a wheelchair for a physically disabled girl (with no family
connections to the masons), to a children's home for christmas presents
(unlikely to have masonic connections as they are in council care)
I think I will opt for mentally ill and bow out.
BTW I am not a mson, never have been, the only place I went that
required a funny handshake was the cubs but since I have contradicted
you you have, without evidence, branded me a mason (Imagine that, you
accusing someone of being a mason without any evidence?).
No doubt you will accuse me of being a mason again......I shall somehow
carry on living.
Andy
Jahbulon
May 3, 2012, 7:47:57 AM5/3/12
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Tony Dragon <tony....@btinternet.com> wrote in
news:DMCdncVTPPQHrj_S...@bt.com:
> If there was any evidence that Freemasonry has given any
> help to Anders Behring, I am sure you would produced it.
received protection from Freemasonry while he was planning his Masonic
murders of 77 innocent teenage children.
We agree the Freemason Grand Charity helps only Freemasons in disaster
areas. In the US, Freemasonry has its own blood donation scheme, where
only Freemasons may benefit. In the UK, Freemasons are not allowed to
donate blood, because it might help people without a close connection to
Freemasonry.
Freemasonry twists the meaning of words: charity to Freemasons means
abusing tax laws to give to themselves.
I hope you find this helpful.
marie
May 3, 2012, 7:50:59 AM5/3/12
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On May 3, 8:29 am, AndyW <A...@NoJunqMail.com> wrote:
> On 02/05/2012 22:40, Jahbulon wrote:
>
> > When Freemasons give, they give only to themselves, and not their victims.
>
> False but when we give you examples then you ignore it and just repeat
> your allegations.
He can't read what he doesn't like.
> On 02/05/2012 22:40, Jahbulon wrote:
>
> > When Freemasons give, they give only to themselves, and not their victims.
>
> False but when we give you examples then you ignore it and just repeat
> your allegations.
> It is a sign that you are either mentally ill, deliberately lying or
> have a memory problem.
> Given that I have posted many times that my local
> mason have donated to charities that are not exclusive to masons (such
> as a wheelchair for a physically disabled girl (with no family
> connections to the masons), to a children's home for christmas presents
> (unlikely to have masonic connections as they are in council care)
>
of the earthquake relief donations for the Haiti earthquake, he then
said that all the victims were Masons.
> I think I will opt for mentally ill and bow out.
with them, mentally ill.
>
> BTW I am not a mason, never have been, the only place I went that
> required a funny handshake was the cubs but since I have contradicted
> you you have, without evidence, branded me a mason (Imagine that, you
> accusing someone of being a mason without any evidence?).
>
He always has evidence (his book, or insiders within Freemasonry)
> you you have, without evidence, branded me a mason (Imagine that, you
> accusing someone of being a mason without any evidence?).
>
Jahbulon
May 3, 2012, 7:51:04 AM5/3/12
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AndyW <An...@NoJunqMail.com> wrote in
news:4fa227f8$0$25371$882e...@usenet-news.net:
>> When Freemasons give, they give only to themselves,
>> and not their victims.
>>
> False [ . . . ].
In your rush to contradict, you accidentally admitted what is true, that
Freemasonry has victims.
Have another go, and don't forget the Masonic canards about mental illness.
news:4fa227f8$0$25371$882e...@usenet-news.net:
>> When Freemasons give, they give only to themselves,
>> and not their victims.
>>
In your rush to contradict, you accidentally admitted what is true, that
Freemasonry has victims.
Have another go, and don't forget the Masonic canards about mental illness.
Tony Dragon
May 3, 2012, 7:53:44 AM5/3/12
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On 03/05/2012 12:47, Jahbulon wrote:
> Tony Dragon<tony....@btinternet.com> wrote in
> news:DMCdncVTPPQHrj_S...@bt.com:
>
>> If there was any evidence that Freemasonry has given any
>> help to Anders Behring, I am sure you would produced it.
>
> The Freemason, Brother Anders Behring Breivik, testified under oath that he
> received protection from Freemasonry while he was planning his Masonic
> murders of 77 innocent teenage children.
>
Evidence?
> Tony Dragon<tony....@btinternet.com> wrote in
> news:DMCdncVTPPQHrj_S...@bt.com:
>
>> If there was any evidence that Freemasonry has given any
>> help to Anders Behring, I am sure you would produced it.
>
> The Freemason, Brother Anders Behring Breivik, testified under oath that he
> received protection from Freemasonry while he was planning his Masonic
> murders of 77 innocent teenage children.
>
> We agree the Freemason Grand Charity helps only Freemasons in disaster
> areas.
> In the US, Freemasonry has its own blood donation scheme, where
> only Freemasons may benefit.
> In the UK, Freemasons are not allowed to
> donate blood, because it might help people without a close connection to
> Freemasonry.
>
> Freemasonry twists the meaning of words: charity to Freemasons means
> abusing tax laws to give to themselves.
>
> I hope you find this helpful.
>
Not really.
> I hope you find this helpful.
>
Jahbulon
May 3, 2012, 8:00:53 AM5/3/12
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Tony Dragon <tony....@btinternet.com> wrote in
news:R7adnRCAwq1X7D_S...@bt.com:
Tsk.
> Evidence?
> As I have posted otherwise, you are lying.
> Evidence.
> Evidence.
>> I hope you find this helpful.
>
> Not really.
lying.
Jahbulon
May 3, 2012, 8:02:52 AM5/3/12
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marie <marie....@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in
news:daaf8835-84d6-4206...@t16g2000yqt.googlegroups.com:
> He always has evidence (his book, or insiders within Freemasonry)
What's wrong with that?
Are you a real homosexual, or just a part-time cross-dresser?
news:daaf8835-84d6-4206...@t16g2000yqt.googlegroups.com:
> He always has evidence (his book, or insiders within Freemasonry)
Are you a real homosexual, or just a part-time cross-dresser?
Tony Dragon
May 3, 2012, 8:55:02 AM5/3/12
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On 03/05/2012 13:00, Jahbulon wrote:
> Tony Dragon<tony....@btinternet.com> wrote in
> news:R7adnRCAwq1X7D_S...@bt.com:
>
> Tsk.
>
>> Evidence?
>
>> As I have posted otherwise, you are lying.
>
>> Evidence.
>
>> Evidence.
>
>> Evidence.
>
>>> I hope you find this helpful.
>>
>> Not really.
>
> Your total contribution is to demand evidence four times and accuse me of
> lying.
>
Errrm, yes.
> Tony Dragon<tony....@btinternet.com> wrote in
> news:R7adnRCAwq1X7D_S...@bt.com:
>
> Tsk.
>
>> Evidence?
>
>> As I have posted otherwise, you are lying.
>
>> Evidence.
>
>> Evidence.
>
>> Evidence.
>
>>> I hope you find this helpful.
>>
>> Not really.
>
> Your total contribution is to demand evidence four times and accuse me of
> lying.
>
Tony Dragon
May 3, 2012, 8:55:55 AM5/3/12
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On 03/05/2012 13:02, Jahbulon wrote:
> marie<marie....@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in
> news:daaf8835-84d6-4206...@t16g2000yqt.googlegroups.com:
>
>> He always has evidence (his book, or insiders within Freemasonry)
>
> What's wrong with that?
>
> Are you a real homosexual, or just a part-time cross-dresser?
>
What?
> marie<marie....@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in
> news:daaf8835-84d6-4206...@t16g2000yqt.googlegroups.com:
>
>> He always has evidence (his book, or insiders within Freemasonry)
>
> What's wrong with that?
>
> Are you a real homosexual, or just a part-time cross-dresser?
>
Jahbulon
May 3, 2012, 9:16:17 AM5/3/12
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Tony Dragon <tony....@btinternet.com> wrote in
news:ELSdnVisTMvAHT_S...@bt.com:
>>> He always has evidence (his book, or insiders within Freemasonry)
>>
>> What's wrong with that?
>>
>> Are you a real homosexual,
>> or just a part-time cross-dresser?
>
> What?
AndyW
May 4, 2012, 2:23:25 AM5/4/12
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"..... and so after outlining the preceding points and laying before you
all the evidence I feel that you have no option but to accept my stance"
"Your bum smells of poo!"
See, can't beat it. Apparently it was a favoured technique of Socrates
in winning debates.
Andy
AndyW
May 4, 2012, 2:24:40 AM5/4/12
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On 03/05/2012 12:51, Jahbulon wrote:
> AndyW<An...@NoJunqMail.com> wrote in
> news:4fa227f8$0$25371$882e...@usenet-news.net:
>
>>> When Freemasons give, they give only to themselves,
>>> and not their victims.
>>>
>> False [ . . . ].
>
> In your rush to contradict, you accidentally admitted what is true, that
> Freemasonry has victims.
Really, where did I admit that? Please quote.
> AndyW<An...@NoJunqMail.com> wrote in
> news:4fa227f8$0$25371$882e...@usenet-news.net:
>
>>> When Freemasons give, they give only to themselves,
>>> and not their victims.
>>>
>> False [ . . . ].
>
> In your rush to contradict, you accidentally admitted what is true, that
> Freemasonry has victims.
Andy
Phi
May 4, 2012, 2:38:10 AM5/4/12
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Do men still get high positions in industry and the state without any
qualifications.
qualifications.
Jahbulon
May 4, 2012, 4:39:46 AM5/4/12
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AndyW <An...@NoJunqMail.com> wrote in news:4fa36a08$0$27302$882e7ee2@usenet-
news.net:
>>> Are you a real homosexual, or just a part-time cross-dresser?
himself marie: is he pre or post-op?
news.net:
>>> Are you a real homosexual, or just a part-time cross-dresser?
> It is a valid debating technique...... if you are 6 years old.
Seems a reasonable question of man who asks silly questions and calls
himself marie: is he pre or post-op?
Jahbulon
May 4, 2012, 4:43:20 AM5/4/12
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AndyW <An...@NoJunqMail.com> wrote in news:4fa36a52$0$27302$882e7ee2@usenet-
means Freemasons do give to their victims, which means Freemasons have
victims.
news.net:
>>>> When Freemasons give, they give only to themselves,
>>>> and not their victims.
>>>>
>>> False [ . . . ].
>>
>> In your rush to contradict, you accidentally admitted what is true,
>> that Freemasonry has victims.
>
> Really, where did I admit that? Please quote.
See above: you contradicted Freemasons do not give to their victims, which
>>>> When Freemasons give, they give only to themselves,
>>>> and not their victims.
>>>>
>>> False [ . . . ].
>>
>> In your rush to contradict, you accidentally admitted what is true,
>> that Freemasonry has victims.
>
> Really, where did I admit that? Please quote.
means Freemasons do give to their victims, which means Freemasons have
victims.
AndyW
May 10, 2012, 2:21:12 AM5/10/12
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On 04/05/2012 09:39, Jahbulon wrote:
> AndyW<An...@NoJunqMail.com> wrote in news:4fa36a08$0$27302$882e7ee2@usenet-
> news.net:
>
>>>> Are you a real homosexual, or just a part-time cross-dresser?
>
>> It is a valid debating technique...... if you are 6 years old.
>
> Seems a reasonable question of man who asks silly questions and calls
> himself marie: is he pre or post-op?
>
....and are you really the god Jahbulon as your name suggests?
> AndyW<An...@NoJunqMail.com> wrote in news:4fa36a08$0$27302$882e7ee2@usenet-
> news.net:
>
>>>> Are you a real homosexual, or just a part-time cross-dresser?
>
>> It is a valid debating technique...... if you are 6 years old.
>
> Seems a reasonable question of man who asks silly questions and calls
> himself marie: is he pre or post-op?
>
Andy
AndyW
May 10, 2012, 2:25:06 AM5/10/12
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On 04/05/2012 09:43, Jahbulon wrote:
> AndyW<An...@NoJunqMail.com> wrote in news:4fa36a52$0$27302$882e7ee2@usenet-
> news.net:
>
>>>>> When Freemasons give, they give only to themselves,
>>>>> and not their victims.
>>>>>
>>>> False [ . . . ].
>>>
>>> In your rush to contradict, you accidentally admitted what is true,
>>> that Freemasonry has victims.
>>
>> Really, where did I admit that? Please quote.
>
> See above: you contradicted Freemasons do not give to their victims, which
> means Freemasons do give to their victims, which means Freemasons have
> victims.
>
No I declared false that they give only to themselves and have indicated
> AndyW<An...@NoJunqMail.com> wrote in news:4fa36a52$0$27302$882e7ee2@usenet-
> news.net:
>
>>>>> When Freemasons give, they give only to themselves,
>>>>> and not their victims.
>>>>>
>>>> False [ . . . ].
>>>
>>> In your rush to contradict, you accidentally admitted what is true,
>>> that Freemasonry has victims.
>>
>> Really, where did I admit that? Please quote.
>
> See above: you contradicted Freemasons do not give to their victims, which
> means Freemasons do give to their victims, which means Freemasons have
> victims.
>
a number of times incidents where they have given to other. Since you
declared an absolute all I need to do is to find one 'white crow'
Andy
Jahbulon
May 10, 2012, 3:54:36 AM5/10/12
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AndyW <An...@NoJunqMail.com> wrote in
news:4fab5238$0$27342$882e...@usenet-news.net:
>>>>> Are you a real homosexual,
>>>>> or just a part-time cross-dresser?
>>
>>> It is a valid debating technique...... if you are 6 years old.
>>
>> Seems a reasonable question of man who asks silly questions
>> and calls himself marie: is he pre or post-op?
>>
> ....and are you really the god Jahbulon as your name suggests?
Course not; don't be stupid.
news:4fab5238$0$27342$882e...@usenet-news.net:
>>>>> Are you a real homosexual,
>>>>> or just a part-time cross-dresser?
>>
>>> It is a valid debating technique...... if you are 6 years old.
>>
>> Seems a reasonable question of man who asks silly questions
>> and calls himself marie: is he pre or post-op?
>>
> ....and are you really the god Jahbulon as your name suggests?
Jahbulon
May 10, 2012, 3:58:37 AM5/10/12
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AndyW <An...@NoJunqMail.com> wrote in
news:4fab5323$0$27287$882e...@usenet-news.net:
> Since you declared an absolute all
> I need to do is to find one 'white crow'
Okay, but it does seem to be true that the Freemason religion teaches its
adherents only to give to their brethren in Freemasonry and close
dependents.
news:4fab5323$0$27287$882e...@usenet-news.net:
> Since you declared an absolute all
> I need to do is to find one 'white crow'
adherents only to give to their brethren in Freemasonry and close
dependents.
Partac
May 10, 2012, 4:20:57 AM5/10/12
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"Tony Dragon" wrote in message
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time you make these fancyful claims. It is a natural thought process to come
to the conclusion that you are lying as usual.
Partac
May 10, 2012, 4:23:37 AM5/10/12
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"Jahbulon" wrote in message
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AndyW <An...@NoJunqMail.com> wrote in
news:4fab5238$0$27342$882e...@usenet-news.net:
>>>>> Are you a real homosexual,
>>>>> or just a part-time cross-dresser?
>>
>>> It is a valid debating technique...... if you are 6 years old.
>>
>> Seems a reasonable question of man who asks silly questions
>> and calls himself marie: is he pre or post-op?
>>
> ....and are you really the god Jahbulon as your name suggests?
Course not; don't be stupid.
Tony Dragon
May 10, 2012, 4:43:13 AM5/10/12
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On 10/05/2012 08:58, Jahbulon wrote:
> AndyW<An...@NoJunqMail.com> wrote in
> news:4fab5323$0$27287$882e...@usenet-news.net:
>
>> Since you declared an absolute all
>> I need to do is to find one 'white crow'
>
> Okay, but it does seem to be true that the Freemason religion teaches its
> adherents only to give to their brethren in Freemasonry and close
> dependents.
>
No it doesn't & evidence has been provided many times to prove otherwise.
> AndyW<An...@NoJunqMail.com> wrote in
> news:4fab5323$0$27287$882e...@usenet-news.net:
>
>> Since you declared an absolute all
>> I need to do is to find one 'white crow'
>
> Okay, but it does seem to be true that the Freemason religion teaches its
> adherents only to give to their brethren in Freemasonry and close
> dependents.
>
Jahbulon
May 10, 2012, 9:00:37 AM5/10/12
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"Partac" <any...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in
news:a11c3b...@mid.individual.net:
> And why not. You have never supplied any evidence
> despite being asked every time you make these
> fancyful claims. It is a natural thought process
> to come to the conclusion that you are lying as
> usual.
The Internet is replete with pictures of Brother Anders
Behring Breivik wearing Freemason lingerie: if you can't look for yourself
how am I supposed to help?
news:a11c3b...@mid.individual.net:
> And why not. You have never supplied any evidence
> despite being asked every time you make these
> fancyful claims. It is a natural thought process
> to come to the conclusion that you are lying as
> usual.
Behring Breivik wearing Freemason lingerie: if you can't look for yourself
how am I supposed to help?
Jahbulon
May 10, 2012, 9:01:29 AM5/10/12
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"Partac" <any...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in news:a11c8bFa6kU1
@mid.individual.net:
> Course not; don't be stupid.
>
> Well, you started it!
Yes, but I grew-up into an adult.
@mid.individual.net:
> Course not; don't be stupid.
>
> Well, you started it!
Partac
May 10, 2012, 10:01:09 AM5/10/12
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"Jahbulon" wrote in message
news:XnsA04F8E874AAD4...@69.16.185.250...
"Partac" <any...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in
news:a11c3b...@mid.individual.net:
> And why not. You have never supplied any evidence
> despite being asked every time you make these
> fancyful claims. It is a natural thought process
> to come to the conclusion that you are lying as
> usual.
The Internet is replete with pictures of Brother Anders
Behring Breivik wearing Freemason lingerie: if you can't look for yourself
how am I supposed to help?
This, after all, is what we have all been discussing - hang on, I forgot -
it's you we're responding to - you with the attention span of a tadpole.
Partac
May 10, 2012, 10:02:03 AM5/10/12
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"Jahbulon" wrote in message
news:XnsA04F8EACDFA9D...@69.16.185.250...
"Partac" <any...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in news:a11c8bFa6kU1
@mid.individual.net:
> Course not; don't be stupid.
>
> Well, you started it!
Yes, but I grew-up into an adult.
Jahbulon
May 10, 2012, 10:08:24 AM5/10/12
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"Partac" <any...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in
news:a12018...@mid.individual.net:
> And how does that illustrate the pattern of charity
> donations by freemasons? This, after all, is what
> we have all been discussing - hang on, I forgot -
> it's you we're responding to - you with the
> attention span of a tadpole.
Must confess I thought this thread was about a Finnish MP.
Visit the UGLE web site and click through charitable work to the
eligibility requirements for all four of Freemasonry's charities: each
restricts help to Freemasons, former Freemasons and their close dependents.
I note your insult (if that's what it's supposed to be).
news:a12018...@mid.individual.net:
> And how does that illustrate the pattern of charity
> donations by freemasons? This, after all, is what
> we have all been discussing - hang on, I forgot -
> it's you we're responding to - you with the
> attention span of a tadpole.
Visit the UGLE web site and click through charitable work to the
eligibility requirements for all four of Freemasonry's charities: each
restricts help to Freemasons, former Freemasons and their close dependents.
I note your insult (if that's what it's supposed to be).
Jahbulon
May 10, 2012, 10:10:50 AM5/10/12
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"Partac" <any...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in news:a1202uFrblU1
@mid.individual.net:
> I beg to differ.............l
I have seen Freemasons begging, as they do when they are caught, as Dr
Gonçalo Amaral noted when he began the investigation into the alleged
abduction of Madeleine Beth McCann.
@mid.individual.net:
> I beg to differ.............l
I have seen Freemasons begging, as they do when they are caught, as Dr
Gonçalo Amaral noted when he began the investigation into the alleged
abduction of Madeleine Beth McCann.
Tony Dragon
May 10, 2012, 10:16:05 AM5/10/12
to
On 10/05/2012 15:08, Jahbulon wrote:
> "Partac"<any...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in
> news:a12018...@mid.individual.net:
>
>> And how does that illustrate the pattern of charity
>> donations by freemasons? This, after all, is what
>> we have all been discussing - hang on, I forgot -
>> it's you we're responding to - you with the
>> attention span of a tadpole.
>
> Must confess I thought this thread was about a Finnish MP.
>
> Visit the UGLE web site and click through charitable work to the
> eligibility requirements for all four of Freemasonry's charities: each
> restricts help to Freemasons, former Freemasons and their close dependents.
>
> I note your insult (if that's what it's supposed to be).
>
I don't think he meant it as an insult, I doubt that he has anything
> "Partac"<any...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in
> news:a12018...@mid.individual.net:
>
>> And how does that illustrate the pattern of charity
>> donations by freemasons? This, after all, is what
>> we have all been discussing - hang on, I forgot -
>> it's you we're responding to - you with the
>> attention span of a tadpole.
>
> Must confess I thought this thread was about a Finnish MP.
>
> Visit the UGLE web site and click through charitable work to the
> eligibility requirements for all four of Freemasonry's charities: each
> restricts help to Freemasons, former Freemasons and their close dependents.
>
> I note your insult (if that's what it's supposed to be).
>
against tadpoles.
But you obviously have not noted to the many references that you have
been given about where Freemason charity has been given.
According to you all the people in Haiti are Masons or close dependants.
And also how self centred do you have to be, to call yourself a God
(according to you) & then say prise be to yourself?
AndyW
May 11, 2012, 2:40:49 AM5/11/12
to
On 10/05/2012 08:58, Jahbulon wrote:
> AndyW<An...@NoJunqMail.com> wrote in
> news:4fab5323$0$27287$882e...@usenet-news.net:
>
>> Since you declared an absolute all
>> I need to do is to find one 'white crow'
>
> Okay, but it does seem to be true that the Freemason religion teaches its
> adherents only to give to their brethren in Freemasonry and close
> dependents.
I will add in the bit you snipped since it does seem to be at odds with
> news:4fab5323$0$27287$882e...@usenet-news.net:
>
>> Since you declared an absolute all
>> I need to do is to find one 'white crow'
>
> Okay, but it does seem to be true that the Freemason religion teaches its
> adherents only to give to their brethren in Freemasonry and close
> dependents.
your reply.
"No I declared false that they give only to themselves and have
indicated a number of times incidents where they have given to others. "
You now need to supply evidence of your claim, it's how this discussion
thing works you see....
You make a claim and supply evidence then I make a counter claim and
supply evidence and we either work towards a common agreed claim or else
we have an impasse. It is a bit difficult when you keep failing to
supply evidence - note newspaper reports with the word 'freemason'
peppered about the place.
Andy
francis
May 11, 2012, 5:03:08 AM5/11/12
to
On May 10, 3:08 pm, Jahbulon <inva...@invalid.invalid.net> wrote:
I see that you are still ignoring all the links that you have been
given regarding Masonic Charities.
I await your usual reply.
given regarding Masonic Charities.
I await your usual reply.
Jahbulon
May 11, 2012, 10:06:03 AM5/11/12
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AndyW <An...@NoJunqMail.com> wrote in
news:4faca84a$0$19823$882e...@usenet-news.net:
> You now need to supply evidence of your claim,
> it's how this discussion thing works you see....
If you visit the UGLE web site, you will see that Freemasonry supports four
charities, each of which restricts its help to Freemasons, former
Freemasons and close dependents of Freemasons.
In the US, Freemasons have a blood donation scheme that restricts their
donations to helping brother Freemasons. In the UK, Freemasons are
forbidden to donate blood for religious reasons, i.e. it might help someone
who is not a Freemason.
news:4faca84a$0$19823$882e...@usenet-news.net:
> You now need to supply evidence of your claim,
> it's how this discussion thing works you see....
charities, each of which restricts its help to Freemasons, former
Freemasons and close dependents of Freemasons.
In the US, Freemasons have a blood donation scheme that restricts their
donations to helping brother Freemasons. In the UK, Freemasons are
forbidden to donate blood for religious reasons, i.e. it might help someone
who is not a Freemason.
francis
May 11, 2012, 11:33:55 AM5/11/12
to
On May 11, 3:06 pm, Jahbulon <inva...@invalid.invalid.net> wrote:
> AndyW <A...@NoJunqMail.com> wrote innews:4faca84a$0$19823$882e...@usenet-news.net:
be wrong, but you seem to be to scared to admit it.
>
> In the US, Freemasons have a blood donation scheme that restricts their
> donations to helping brother Freemasons. In the UK, Freemasons are
> forbidden to donate blood for religious reasons, i.e. it might help someone
> who is not a Freemason.
>
Do give evidence for this claim, it should make good reading.
> --
>
> Praise be to Jahbulon, holy god of Royal Arch Freemasons
>
> http://www.freemasonrywatch.org/jahbulon.html
Usual answer expected.
> AndyW <A...@NoJunqMail.com> wrote innews:4faca84a$0$19823$882e...@usenet-news.net:
>
> > You now need to supply evidence of your claim,
> > it's how this discussion thing works you see....
>
> If you visit the UGLE web site, you will see that Freemasonry supports four
> charities, each of which restricts its help to Freemasons, former
> Freemasons and close dependents of Freemasons.
Many times links have been posted (by many people) that proves that to
> > You now need to supply evidence of your claim,
> > it's how this discussion thing works you see....
>
> If you visit the UGLE web site, you will see that Freemasonry supports four
> charities, each of which restricts its help to Freemasons, former
> Freemasons and close dependents of Freemasons.
be wrong, but you seem to be to scared to admit it.
>
> In the US, Freemasons have a blood donation scheme that restricts their
> donations to helping brother Freemasons. In the UK, Freemasons are
> forbidden to donate blood for religious reasons, i.e. it might help someone
> who is not a Freemason.
>
> --
>
> Praise be to Jahbulon, holy god of Royal Arch Freemasons
>
> http://www.freemasonrywatch.org/jahbulon.html
Tony Dragon
May 11, 2012, 1:33:17 PM5/11/12
to
On 11/05/2012 15:06, Jahbulon wrote:
> AndyW<An...@NoJunqMail.com> wrote in
> news:4faca84a$0$19823$882e...@usenet-news.net:
>
>> You now need to supply evidence of your claim,
>> it's how this discussion thing works you see....
>
> If you visit the UGLE web site, you will see that Freemasonry supports four
> charities, each of which restricts its help to Freemasons, former
> Freemasons and close dependents of Freemasons.
>
So you still chose to ignore the many links & many posts that have said
> AndyW<An...@NoJunqMail.com> wrote in
> news:4faca84a$0$19823$882e...@usenet-news.net:
>
>> You now need to supply evidence of your claim,
>> it's how this discussion thing works you see....
>
> If you visit the UGLE web site, you will see that Freemasonry supports four
> charities, each of which restricts its help to Freemasons, former
> Freemasons and close dependents of Freemasons.
>
otherwise.
> In the US, Freemasons have a blood donation scheme that restricts their
> donations to helping brother Freemasons. In the UK, Freemasons are
> forbidden to donate blood for religious reasons, i.e. it might help someone
> who is not a Freemason.
>
back them up, oh wait, you didn't last time you were asked.
Seth
May 11, 2012, 1:36:33 PM5/11/12
to
In article <XnsA050999FE4347...@69.16.185.250>,
any restriction.
In fact, some years ago I gave at a hospital specifically for my
mother (who was having an operation that might require blood). The
hospital told me that they would try to preserve my blood for her use
if she needed it, but if an emergency arose they'd use it.
Seth
Jahbulon <inv...@invalid.invalid.net> wrote:
>In the US, Freemasons have a blood donation scheme that restricts their
>donations to helping brother Freemasons.
That is impossible: no organization that takes blood in the US allows
>In the US, Freemasons have a blood donation scheme that restricts their
>donations to helping brother Freemasons.
any restriction.
In fact, some years ago I gave at a hospital specifically for my
mother (who was having an operation that might require blood). The
hospital told me that they would try to preserve my blood for her use
if she needed it, but if an emergency arose they'd use it.
Seth
Jahbulon
May 11, 2012, 1:47:12 PM5/11/12
to
se...@panix.com (Seth) wrote in news:jojin0$6e1$1...@reader1.panix.com:
>> In the US, Freemasons have a blood donation scheme that
>> restricts their donations to helping brother Freemasons.
>
> That is impossible: no organization that takes
> blood in the US allows any restriction.
It's something I saw on a web page in 2007.
> In fact, some years ago I gave at a hospital
> specifically for my mother (who was having
> an operation that might require blood). The
> hospital told me that they would try to
> preserve my blood for her use if she needed
> it, but if an emergency arose they'd use it.
You're kinda suggesting it is not quite impossible.
>> In the US, Freemasons have a blood donation scheme that
>> restricts their donations to helping brother Freemasons.
>
> That is impossible: no organization that takes
> blood in the US allows any restriction.
> In fact, some years ago I gave at a hospital
> specifically for my mother (who was having
> an operation that might require blood). The
> hospital told me that they would try to
> preserve my blood for her use if she needed
> it, but if an emergency arose they'd use it.
Janitor of Lunacy
May 11, 2012, 2:26:45 PM5/11/12
to
"Jahbulon" <inv...@invalid.invalid.net> wrote in message
news:XnsA050BF1E57B3i...@69.16.185.250...
> se...@panix.com (Seth) wrote in news:jojin0$6e1$1...@reader1.panix.com:
>
>>> In the US, Freemasons have a blood donation scheme that
>>> restricts their donations to helping brother Freemasons.
>>
>> That is impossible: no organization that takes
>> blood in the US allows any restriction.
>
> It's something I saw on a web page in 2007.
Well, there is no excuse not to cite it. Here you are:
>
>>> In the US, Freemasons have a blood donation scheme that
>>> restricts their donations to helping brother Freemasons.
>>
>> That is impossible: no organization that takes
>> blood in the US allows any restriction.
>
> It's something I saw on a web page in 2007.
http://archive.org/web/web.php
Tony Dragon
May 11, 2012, 3:08:12 PM5/11/12
to
On 11/05/2012 18:47, Jahbulon wrote:
> se...@panix.com (Seth) wrote in news:jojin0$6e1$1...@reader1.panix.com:
>
>>> In the US, Freemasons have a blood donation scheme that
>>> restricts their donations to helping brother Freemasons.
>>
>> That is impossible: no organization that takes
>> blood in the US allows any restriction.
>
> It's something I saw on a web page in 2007.
>
OK cite the link.
> se...@panix.com (Seth) wrote in news:jojin0$6e1$1...@reader1.panix.com:
>
>>> In the US, Freemasons have a blood donation scheme that
>>> restricts their donations to helping brother Freemasons.
>>
>> That is impossible: no organization that takes
>> blood in the US allows any restriction.
>
> It's something I saw on a web page in 2007.
>
>> In fact, some years ago I gave at a hospital
>> specifically for my mother (who was having
>> an operation that might require blood). The
>> hospital told me that they would try to
>> preserve my blood for her use if she needed
>> it, but if an emergency arose they'd use it.
>
> You're kinda suggesting it is not quite impossible.
>
Seth
May 11, 2012, 6:48:27 PM5/11/12
to
In article <XnsA050BF1E57B3i...@69.16.185.250>,
>> In fact, some years ago I gave at a hospital
>> specifically for my mother (who was having
>> an operation that might require blood). The
>> hospital told me that they would try to
>> preserve my blood for her use if she needed
>> it, but if an emergency arose they'd use it.
>
>You're kinda suggesting it is not quite impossible.
No, I'm pointing out that even a personal restriction ("I want my
blood to be available to my mother if she needs it") will be ignored
if the hospital, in its sole opinion, decides someone else needs the
blood more.
And, after she had the operation and didn't need the blood, it went
into the hospital's general supply.
Seth
Jahbulon <inv...@invalid.invalid.net> wrote:
>se...@panix.com (Seth) wrote in news:jojin0$6e1$1...@reader1.panix.com:
>
>>> In the US, Freemasons have a blood donation scheme that
>>> restricts their donations to helping brother Freemasons.
>>
>> That is impossible: no organization that takes
>> blood in the US allows any restriction.
>
>It's something I saw on a web page in 2007.
That makes it just as credible as something you post.
>se...@panix.com (Seth) wrote in news:jojin0$6e1$1...@reader1.panix.com:
>
>>> In the US, Freemasons have a blood donation scheme that
>>> restricts their donations to helping brother Freemasons.
>>
>> That is impossible: no organization that takes
>> blood in the US allows any restriction.
>
>It's something I saw on a web page in 2007.
>> In fact, some years ago I gave at a hospital
>> specifically for my mother (who was having
>> an operation that might require blood). The
>> hospital told me that they would try to
>> preserve my blood for her use if she needed
>> it, but if an emergency arose they'd use it.
>
>You're kinda suggesting it is not quite impossible.
blood to be available to my mother if she needs it") will be ignored
if the hospital, in its sole opinion, decides someone else needs the
blood more.
And, after she had the operation and didn't need the blood, it went
into the hospital's general supply.
Seth
Jahbulon
May 11, 2012, 7:29:24 PM5/11/12
to
se...@panix.com (Seth) wrote in news:jok4vr$9m4$1...@reader1.panix.com:
> That makes it just as credible
> as something you post.
I try to tell the truth.
> And, after she had the operation and didn't need the
> blood, it went into the hospital's general supply.
So you think if they take blood from a Freemason they will only use it to
help a Freemason if they can, otherwise it may go to someone else.
> That makes it just as credible
> as something you post.
> And, after she had the operation and didn't need the
> blood, it went into the hospital's general supply.
help a Freemason if they can, otherwise it may go to someone else.
Janitor of Lunacy
May 11, 2012, 7:46:51 PM5/11/12
to
news:XnsA0514FEB59FFi...@69.16.185.250...
So far, you are a master of not do, which gives you zero credibility in
sustaining an argument; and that's without the fabrications of news items,
which do you no credit whatsover. How old are you? I'd guess about 13
judging by the quality of your rhetoric. So come back when you've grown up a
bit, please.
> se...@panix.com (Seth) wrote in news:jok4vr$9m4$1...@reader1.panix.com:
>
>> That makes it just as credible
>> as something you post.
>
> I try to tell the truth.
Well, to quote Yoda, "There is no try; there is only do, or not do".
>
>> That makes it just as credible
>> as something you post.
>
> I try to tell the truth.
So far, you are a master of not do, which gives you zero credibility in
sustaining an argument; and that's without the fabrications of news items,
which do you no credit whatsover. How old are you? I'd guess about 13
judging by the quality of your rhetoric. So come back when you've grown up a
bit, please.
Jahbulon
May 11, 2012, 8:06:06 PM5/11/12
to
"Janitor of Lunacy" <zo...@zonk.com> wrote in
news:Jxhrr.15308$4R...@fx17.am4:
>>> That makes it just as credible
>>> as something you post.
>>
>> I try to tell the truth.
>
> Well, to quote Yoda,
> "There is no try; there is only do, or not do".
Presumably Yoda is a character from Star Wars.
I try hard to tell the truth.
> So far, you are a master of not do, which gives you zero
> credibility in sustaining an argument; and that's without
> the fabrications of news items, which do you no credit
> whatsover. How old are you? I'd guess about 13 judging by
> the quality of your rhetoric. So come back when you've
> grown up a bit, please.
I wish.
While we're on the subject of people with no credence, it was you who said
Brother Gerry McCann cannot possibly be a Freemason because he pretends to
be Roman Catholic for the British media. You remind me of stones and glass
houses. Will you be repeating that display of your brilliant logic?
I can remember when ITN was better quality than BBC news.
news:Jxhrr.15308$4R...@fx17.am4:
>>> That makes it just as credible
>>> as something you post.
>>
>> I try to tell the truth.
>
> Well, to quote Yoda,
> "There is no try; there is only do, or not do".
I try hard to tell the truth.
> So far, you are a master of not do, which gives you zero
> credibility in sustaining an argument; and that's without
> the fabrications of news items, which do you no credit
> whatsover. How old are you? I'd guess about 13 judging by
> the quality of your rhetoric. So come back when you've
> grown up a bit, please.
While we're on the subject of people with no credence, it was you who said
Brother Gerry McCann cannot possibly be a Freemason because he pretends to
be Roman Catholic for the British media. You remind me of stones and glass
houses. Will you be repeating that display of your brilliant logic?
I can remember when ITN was better quality than BBC news.
Tony Dragon
May 12, 2012, 1:42:44 AM5/12/12
to
On 12/05/2012 01:06, Jahbulon wrote:
> "Janitor of Lunacy"<zo...@zonk.com> wrote in
> news:Jxhrr.15308$4R...@fx17.am4:
>
>>>> That makes it just as credible
>>>> as something you post.
>>>
>>> I try to tell the truth.
>>
>> Well, to quote Yoda,
>> "There is no try; there is only do, or not do".
>
> Presumably Yoda is a character from Star Wars.
>
> I try hard to tell the truth.
>
Try harder.
> "Janitor of Lunacy"<zo...@zonk.com> wrote in
> news:Jxhrr.15308$4R...@fx17.am4:
>
>>>> That makes it just as credible
>>>> as something you post.
>>>
>>> I try to tell the truth.
>>
>> Well, to quote Yoda,
>> "There is no try; there is only do, or not do".
>
> Presumably Yoda is a character from Star Wars.
>
> I try hard to tell the truth.
>
>> So far, you are a master of not do, which gives you zero
>> credibility in sustaining an argument; and that's without
>> the fabrications of news items, which do you no credit
>> whatsover. How old are you? I'd guess about 13 judging by
>> the quality of your rhetoric. So come back when you've
>> grown up a bit, please.
>
> I wish.
>
> While we're on the subject of people with no credence, it was you who said
> Brother Gerry McCann cannot possibly be a Freemason because he pretends to
> be Roman Catholic for the British media. You remind me of stones and glass
> houses. Will you be repeating that display of your brilliant logic?
>
> I can remember when ITN was better quality than BBC news.
>
chance of you producing evidence for your many claims?
Jahbulon
May 15, 2012, 6:56:08 AM5/15/12
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francis <francis...@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:0e88c075-361f-45b0...@l17g2000vbj.googlegroups.com:
> Many times links have been posted (by many people) that proves
> that to be wrong, but you seem to be to scared to admit it.
Go to the UGLE web site and click through to the eligibility requirements
of each of its four charities: every one restricts its help to Freemasons,
themselves.
news:0e88c075-361f-45b0...@l17g2000vbj.googlegroups.com:
> Many times links have been posted (by many people) that proves
> that to be wrong, but you seem to be to scared to admit it.
of each of its four charities: every one restricts its help to Freemasons,
former Freemasons and close dependents of Freemasons.
Freemasons are all 5h1ts who abuse charity tax concessions to enrich
themselves.
Seth
May 15, 2012, 10:44:54 AM5/15/12
to
In article <XnsA0514FEB59FFi...@69.16.185.250>,
>> And, after she had the operation and didn't need the
>> blood, it went into the hospital's general supply.
>
>So you think if they take blood from a Freemason they will only use it to
>help a Freemason if they can, otherwise it may go to someone else.
No, they will use it for whoever they think has the greatest medical
need.
Seth
Jahbulon <inv...@invalid.invalid.net> wrote:
>se...@panix.com (Seth) wrote in news:jok4vr$9m4$1...@reader1.panix.com:
>
>> That makes it just as credible
>> as something you post.
>
>I try to tell the truth.
Not very hard.
>se...@panix.com (Seth) wrote in news:jok4vr$9m4$1...@reader1.panix.com:
>
>> That makes it just as credible
>> as something you post.
>
>I try to tell the truth.
>> And, after she had the operation and didn't need the
>> blood, it went into the hospital's general supply.
>
>So you think if they take blood from a Freemason they will only use it to
>help a Freemason if they can, otherwise it may go to someone else.
need.
Seth
sutartsorric
May 15, 2012, 10:47:56 AM5/15/12
to
On May 15, 3:44 pm, se...@panix.com (Seth) wrote:
> In article <XnsA0514FEB59FFinvalidinvalid...@69.16.185.250>,
>
> Jahbulon <inva...@invalid.invalid.net> wrote:
> >se...@panix.com (Seth) wrote innews:jok4vr$9m4$1...@reader1.panix.com:
be a Jehovah's Witness.
> In article <XnsA0514FEB59FFinvalidinvalid...@69.16.185.250>,
>
> Jahbulon <inva...@invalid.invalid.net> wrote:
> >se...@panix.com (Seth) wrote innews:jok4vr$9m4$1...@reader1.panix.com:
>
> >> That makes it just as credible
> >> as something you post.
>
> >I try to tell the truth.
>
> Not very hard.
>
> >> And, after she had the operation and didn't need the
> >> blood, it went into the hospital's general supply.
>
> >So you think if they take blood from a Freemason they will only use it to
> >help a Freemason if they can, otherwise it may go to someone else.
>
> No, they will use it for whoever they think has the greatest medical
> need.
>
> Seth
Unless of course the person with the greatest medical need happens to
> >> That makes it just as credible
> >> as something you post.
>
> >I try to tell the truth.
>
> Not very hard.
>
> >> And, after she had the operation and didn't need the
> >> blood, it went into the hospital's general supply.
>
> >So you think if they take blood from a Freemason they will only use it to
> >help a Freemason if they can, otherwise it may go to someone else.
>
> No, they will use it for whoever they think has the greatest medical
> need.
>
> Seth
be a Jehovah's Witness.
Jahbulon
May 15, 2012, 11:06:09 AM5/15/12
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se...@panix.com (Seth) wrote in news:jotq56$ck8$1...@reader1.panix.com:
>>> That makes it just as credible
>>> as something you post.
>>
>> I try to tell the truth.
>
> Not very hard.
What is the point of this meaningless Masonic abuse?
>>> That makes it just as credible
>>> as something you post.
>>
>> I try to tell the truth.
>
> Not very hard.
Tony Dragon
May 15, 2012, 3:23:29 PM5/15/12
to
On 15/05/2012 11:56, Jahbulon wrote:
> francis<francis...@yahoo.com> wrote in
> news:0e88c075-361f-45b0...@l17g2000vbj.googlegroups.com:
>
>> Many times links have been posted (by many people) that proves
>> that to be wrong, but you seem to be to scared to admit it.
>
> Go to the UGLE web site and click through to the eligibility requirements
> of each of its four charities: every one restricts its help to Freemasons,
> former Freemasons and close dependents of Freemasons.
>
> Freemasons are all 5h1ts who abuse charity tax concessions to enrich
> themselves.
>
From the UGLE website:-
> francis<francis...@yahoo.com> wrote in
> news:0e88c075-361f-45b0...@l17g2000vbj.googlegroups.com:
>
>> Many times links have been posted (by many people) that proves
>> that to be wrong, but you seem to be to scared to admit it.
>
> Go to the UGLE web site and click through to the eligibility requirements
> of each of its four charities: every one restricts its help to Freemasons,
> former Freemasons and close dependents of Freemasons.
>
> Freemasons are all 5h1ts who abuse charity tax concessions to enrich
> themselves.
>
http://www.grandcharity.org/data/files/NEWSITE/GRANTSTOCHARITIES/AIR_AMBULANCES/Air_Ambulance_Funding_now_over_1_million_April2012_.pdf
http://www.grandcharity.org/data/files/NEWSITE/GRANTSTOCHARITIES/Hospices/HGList2011.pdf
http://www.grandcharity.org/data/files/NEWSITE/PUBLICATIONS/CASE_STUDIES/MEDICAL_RESEARCH/Moorfields_2.pdf
http://www.grandcharity.org/data/files/NEWSITE/GRANTSTOCHARITIES/MedicalResearch/News_release-_Breakthrough_in_Multiple_sclerosis_research2.pdf
http://www.grandcharity.org/data/files/NEWSITE/GRANTSTOCHARITIES/GRANTS_LISTS/Emergency_Grants_1981_-_present_WEB_FILE.pdf
I think that list proves you wrong.
Tony Dragon
May 15, 2012, 3:24:43 PM5/15/12
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Tony Dragon
May 15, 2012, 3:25:33 PM5/15/12
to
On 15/05/2012 16:06, Jahbulon wrote:
> se...@panix.com (Seth) wrote in news:jotq56$ck8$1...@reader1.panix.com:
>
>>>> That makes it just as credible
>>>> as something you post.
>>>
>>> I try to tell the truth.
>>
>> Not very hard.
>
> What is the point of this meaningless Masonic abuse?
>
It would seem to be a comment on the truth of your postings.
> se...@panix.com (Seth) wrote in news:jotq56$ck8$1...@reader1.panix.com:
>
>>>> That makes it just as credible
>>>> as something you post.
>>>
>>> I try to tell the truth.
>>
>> Not very hard.
>
> What is the point of this meaningless Masonic abuse?
>
Jahbulon
May 15, 2012, 7:04:01 PM5/15/12
to
Tony Dragon <tony....@btinternet.com> wrote in
news:ot6dnfEvu4gzMC_S...@bt.com:
>>>>> That makes it just as credible
>>>>> as something you post.
>>>>
>>>> I try to tell the truth.
>>>
>>> Not very hard.
>>
>> What is the point of this
>> meaningless Masonic abuse?
>
> It would seem to be a comment on
> the truth of your postings.
Perhaps you need to read it again and what is the point of your mindless
news:ot6dnfEvu4gzMC_S...@bt.com:
>>>>> That makes it just as credible
>>>>> as something you post.
>>>>
>>>> I try to tell the truth.
>>>
>>> Not very hard.
>>
>> What is the point of this
>> meaningless Masonic abuse?
>
> It would seem to be a comment on
> the truth of your postings.
Jahbulon
May 15, 2012, 7:05:36 PM5/15/12
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Tony Dragon <tony....@btinternet.com> wrote in
news:ot6dnfcvu4ivMC_S...@bt.com:
> I think that list proves you wrong.
hospices for Freemasons?
Tony Dragon
May 16, 2012, 1:50:21 AM5/16/12
to
On 16/05/2012 00:05, Jahbulon wrote:
> Tony Dragon<tony....@btinternet.com> wrote in
> news:ot6dnfcvu4ivMC_S...@bt.com:
>
>> I think that list proves you wrong.
>
> An air ambulance that will not touch victims of Freemasonry and funding
> hospices for Freemasons?
>
Your usual answer, trying to twist the facts given to you.
> Tony Dragon<tony....@btinternet.com> wrote in
> news:ot6dnfcvu4ivMC_S...@bt.com:
>
>> I think that list proves you wrong.
>
> An air ambulance that will not touch victims of Freemasonry and funding
> hospices for Freemasons?
>
Tony Dragon
May 16, 2012, 1:51:43 AM5/16/12
to
On 16/05/2012 00:04, Jahbulon wrote:
> Tony Dragon<tony....@btinternet.com> wrote in
> news:ot6dnfEvu4gzMC_S...@bt.com:
>
>>>>>> That makes it just as credible
>>>>>> as something you post.
>>>>>
>>>>> I try to tell the truth.
>>>>
>>>> Not very hard.
>>>
>>> What is the point of this
>>> meaningless Masonic abuse?
>>
>> It would seem to be a comment on
>> the truth of your postings.
>
> Perhaps you need to read it again and what is the point of your mindless
> Masonic abuse?
>
I have, & I can't give you 'Masonic abuse' because I am not a Mason.
> Tony Dragon<tony....@btinternet.com> wrote in
> news:ot6dnfEvu4gzMC_S...@bt.com:
>
>>>>>> That makes it just as credible
>>>>>> as something you post.
>>>>>
>>>>> I try to tell the truth.
>>>>
>>>> Not very hard.
>>>
>>> What is the point of this
>>> meaningless Masonic abuse?
>>
>> It would seem to be a comment on
>> the truth of your postings.
>
> Perhaps you need to read it again and what is the point of your mindless
> Masonic abuse?
>
Jahbulon
May 16, 2012, 6:56:30 AM5/16/12
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Tony Dragon <tony....@btinternet.com> wrote in news:JpmdnQbUq_
6C3S7SnZ2dn...@bt.com:
>> An air ambulance that will not touch victims of
>> Freemasonry and funding hospices for Freemasons?
>
> Your usual answer,
> trying to twist the facts given to you.
Freemasons setting up and funding a charity to house Freemasons in hospices
is not the normal meaning of charity, is it?
Emergency services that will not help those unfortunate enough to be on
your hate list, is not the normal meaning of charity, is it?
6C3S7SnZ2dn...@bt.com:
>> An air ambulance that will not touch victims of
>> Freemasonry and funding hospices for Freemasons?
>
> Your usual answer,
> trying to twist the facts given to you.
is not the normal meaning of charity, is it?
Emergency services that will not help those unfortunate enough to be on
your hate list, is not the normal meaning of charity, is it?
Jahbulon
May 16, 2012, 6:59:31 AM5/16/12
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Tony Dragon <tony....@btinternet.com> wrote in news:JpmdnQHUq_
7s3S7SnZ2dn...@bt.com:
> [ . . . ] I can't give you 'Masonic abuse'
Are we supposed to be impressed with Freemason talents and abilities?
7s3S7SnZ2dn...@bt.com:
> [ . . . ] I can't give you 'Masonic abuse'
> because I am not a Mason.
Why do you think only Freemasons can engage in Masonic abuse?
Are we supposed to be impressed with Freemason talents and abilities?
francis
May 16, 2012, 10:04:38 AM5/16/12
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Jahbulon
May 16, 2012, 11:36:12 AM5/16/12
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francis <francis...@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:1098616.140.1337177078459.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@vbep19:
>> > [ . . . ] I can't give you 'Masonic
>> > abuse' because I am not a Mason.
>>
>> Why do you think only Freemasons
>> can engage in Masonic abuse?
>>
>> Are we supposed to be impressed
>> with Freemason talents and abilities?
> Yet another desperate reply
Why don't you have another go
and see if you can answer those two simple questions?
news:1098616.140.1337177078459.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@vbep19:
>> > [ . . . ] I can't give you 'Masonic
>> > abuse' because I am not a Mason.
>>
>> Why do you think only Freemasons
>> can engage in Masonic abuse?
>>
>> Are we supposed to be impressed
>> with Freemason talents and abilities?
Why don't you have another go
and see if you can answer those two simple questions?
francis
May 16, 2012, 11:41:17 AM5/16/12
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On Wednesday, May 16, 2012 4:36:12 PM UTC+1, Jahbulon wrote:
> francis <francis...@yahoo.com> wrote in
> news:1098616.140.1337177078459.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@vbep19:
>
> >> > [ . . . ] I can't give you 'Masonic
> >> > abuse' because I am not a Mason.
> >>
> >> Why do you think only Freemasons
> >> can engage in Masonic abuse?
> >>
Because of your style of posting.
> francis <francis...@yahoo.com> wrote in
> news:1098616.140.1337177078459.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@vbep19:
>
> >> > [ . . . ] I can't give you 'Masonic
> >> > abuse' because I am not a Mason.
> >>
> >> Why do you think only Freemasons
> >> can engage in Masonic abuse?
> >>
But if you insist anybody 'could' be capable of any sort of abuse.
> >> Are we supposed to be impressed
> >> with Freemason talents and abilities?
>
> > Yet another desperate reply
>
> Why don't you have another go
> and see if you can answer those two simple questions?
>
> --
>
> Praise be to Jahbulon, holy god of Royal Arch Freemasons
Jahbulon
May 16, 2012, 11:56:49 AM5/16/12
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francis <francis...@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:5803525.1325.1337182877257.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@vbxz8:
>> >> > [ . . . ] I can't give you 'Masonic
>> >> > abuse' because I am not a Mason.
>> >>
>> >> Why do you think only Freemasons
>> >> can engage in Masonic abuse?
>
> Because of your style of posting.
Do you know what a non-sequitur is?
> But if you insist anybody 'could' be capable of any sort of abuse.
Looks like you have learnt something today, doesn't it?
> Now I have answered your questions, now you answer
> the question asked of you on thos thread and others
> over the last few days.
I do my best.
news:5803525.1325.1337182877257.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@vbxz8:
>> >> > [ . . . ] I can't give you 'Masonic
>> >> > abuse' because I am not a Mason.
>> >>
>> >> Why do you think only Freemasons
>> >> can engage in Masonic abuse?
>
> Because of your style of posting.
> But if you insist anybody 'could' be capable of any sort of abuse.
> Now I have answered your questions, now you answer
> the question asked of you on thos thread and others
> over the last few days.
Tony Dragon
May 16, 2012, 2:09:20 PM5/16/12
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On 16/05/2012 11:56, Jahbulon wrote:
> Tony Dragon<tony....@btinternet.com> wrote in news:JpmdnQbUq_
> 6C3S7SnZ2dn...@bt.com:
>
>>> An air ambulance that will not touch victims of
>>> Freemasonry and funding hospices for Freemasons?
>>
>> Your usual answer,
>> trying to twist the facts given to you.
>
> Freemasons setting up and funding a charity to house Freemasons in hospices
> is not the normal meaning of charity, is it?
>
> Emergency services that will not help those unfortunate enough to be on
> your hate list, is not the normal meaning of charity, is it?
>
Even by your standards that is rubbish.
> Tony Dragon<tony....@btinternet.com> wrote in news:JpmdnQbUq_
> 6C3S7SnZ2dn...@bt.com:
>
>>> An air ambulance that will not touch victims of
>>> Freemasonry and funding hospices for Freemasons?
>>
>> Your usual answer,
>> trying to twist the facts given to you.
>
> Freemasons setting up and funding a charity to house Freemasons in hospices
> is not the normal meaning of charity, is it?
>
> Emergency services that will not help those unfortunate enough to be on
> your hate list, is not the normal meaning of charity, is it?
>
It might surprise you to know that other than Masons use hospices.
But as I don't have a 'hate list' then by your own definition these
emergency services help all.
Also it seems that you don't know the meaning of the word 'charity'
(I await your usual twisted answer)
Jahbulon
May 16, 2012, 5:28:57 PM5/16/12
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Tony Dragon <tony....@btinternet.com> wrote in
news:Ao6dnZbQcrjPcC7S...@bt.com:
> It might surprise you to know that
> other than Masons use hospices.
> But as I don't have a 'hate list' then by your
> own definition these emergency services help all.
marie
May 16, 2012, 6:02:30 PM5/16/12
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On May 16, 10:28 pm, Jahbulon <inva...@invalid.invalid.net> wrote:
> Tony Dragon <tony.dra...@btinternet.com> wrote innews:Ao6dnZbQcrjPcC7S...@bt.com:
Certainly not the ones in the links.
> > But as I don't have a 'hate list' then by your
> > own definition these emergency services help all.
>
> Freemasonry has a hate list, regardless of whether you admit it.
>
You know this how, do tell us without the usual dribble.
> Tony Dragon <tony.dra...@btinternet.com> wrote innews:Ao6dnZbQcrjPcC7S...@bt.com:
>
> > It might surprise you to know that
> > other than Masons use hospices.
>
> Freemason only hospice facilities are used only by Freemasons.
>
Care to name some.
> > It might surprise you to know that
> > other than Masons use hospices.
>
> Freemason only hospice facilities are used only by Freemasons.
>
Certainly not the ones in the links.
> > But as I don't have a 'hate list' then by your
> > own definition these emergency services help all.
>
> Freemasonry has a hate list, regardless of whether you admit it.
>
Tony Dragon
May 17, 2012, 3:50:35 AM5/17/12
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On 16/05/2012 22:28, Jahbulon wrote:
> Tony Dragon<tony....@btinternet.com> wrote in
> news:Ao6dnZbQcrjPcC7S...@bt.com:
>
>> It might surprise you to know that
>> other than Masons use hospices.
>
> Freemason only hospice facilities are used only by Freemasons.
If there are any such thing that would be true, but the links given did
> Tony Dragon<tony....@btinternet.com> wrote in
> news:Ao6dnZbQcrjPcC7S...@bt.com:
>
>> It might surprise you to know that
>> other than Masons use hospices.
>
> Freemason only hospice facilities are used only by Freemasons.
not indicate that the hospice's were Mason only, so unless you can prove
that they are Mason only then your original claim is wrong.
>
>> But as I don't have a 'hate list' then by your
>> own definition these emergency services help all.
>
> Freemasonry has a hate list, regardless of whether you admit it.
>
It would be interesting for you to tell us all you know about the
'Freemasonry hate list'
sutartsorric
May 17, 2012, 4:15:23 AM5/17/12
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On May 17, 8:50 am, Tony Dragon <tony.dra...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
> If there are any such thing that would be true, but the links given did
> not indicate that the hospice's were Mason only, so unless you can prove
> that they are Mason only then your original claim is wrong.
>
>
That is where you are incorrect, and always will be.
>
> If there are any such thing that would be true, but the links given did
> not indicate that the hospice's were Mason only, so unless you can prove
> that they are Mason only then your original claim is wrong.
>
>
The lack of proof of a statement does not make the statement wrong -
there was no proof initially that the sun rotated around the earth,
but that did not make the statement wrong, just unproven.
Jahbulon
May 17, 2012, 6:01:28 AM5/17/12
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marie <marie....@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in
news:2fdb826e-9916-426a...@b26g2000vbt.googlegroups.com:
> Care to name some.
Harry Priestley House.
news:2fdb826e-9916-426a...@b26g2000vbt.googlegroups.com:
> Care to name some.
Harry Priestley House.
Jahbulon
May 17, 2012, 6:06:56 AM5/17/12
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Tony Dragon <tony....@btinternet.com> wrote in
news:xtydnfHVDf1QMCnS...@bt.com:
> You posted "your hate list",
> so my statement stands.
> It would be interesting for you to tell us all
> you know about the 'Freemasonry hate list'
sutartsorric
May 17, 2012, 6:11:01 AM5/17/12
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meant.
Tony Dragon
May 17, 2012, 7:26:13 AM5/17/12
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On 17/05/2012 11:06, Jahbulon wrote:
> Tony Dragon<tony....@btinternet.com> wrote in
> news:xtydnfHVDf1QMCnS...@bt.com:
>
>> You posted "your hate list",
>> so my statement stands.
>
> Not true: I do not have a hate list.
Do not wriggle, it was you who posted "your hate list" in reply to one
> Tony Dragon<tony....@btinternet.com> wrote in
> news:xtydnfHVDf1QMCnS...@bt.com:
>
>> You posted "your hate list",
>> so my statement stands.
>
> Not true: I do not have a hate list.
of my posts, therefore you have said I have a 'hate list'.
>
>> It would be interesting for you to tell us all
>> you know about the 'Freemasonry hate list'
>
> I bet it would.
>
with all details of your knowledge of it.
Tony Dragon
May 17, 2012, 7:34:51 AM5/17/12
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On 17/05/2012 11:01, Jahbulon wrote:
> marie<marie....@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in
> news:2fdb826e-9916-426a...@b26g2000vbt.googlegroups.com:
>
>> Care to name some.
>
> Harry Priestley House.
>
See, you can produce evidence if it is there, you have proved (it would
> marie<marie....@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in
> news:2fdb826e-9916-426a...@b26g2000vbt.googlegroups.com:
>
>> Care to name some.
>
> Harry Priestley House.
>
seem) that that hospice group is for Masons (and dependants), but are
you saying that the other hospice's given in those links, the air
ambulance, disaster relief (all given in links) are for Masons only?
Also what is the problem for Masons funding a group that helps Masons.
The Railway Charity does a similar thing.
Jahbulon
May 17, 2012, 9:33:04 AM5/17/12
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Tony Dragon <tony....@btinternet.com> wrote in
news:g7ednaYrwe7wfynS...@bt.com:
> Also what is the problem for Masons
> funding a group that helps Masons.
Freemasons can help themselves, is not the normal understanding of the word
charity.
Jahbulon
May 17, 2012, 9:37:05 AM5/17/12
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Tony Dragon <tony....@btinternet.com> wrote in
news:TNydnTteMY3KfSnS...@bt.com:
>>> You posted "your hate list",
>>> so my statement stands.
>>
>> Not true: I do not have a hate list.
>
> Do not wriggle, it was you who posted "your hate list"
> in reply to one of my posts, therefore you have said
> I have a 'hate list'.
wriggling are?
Freemasonry has a hate list; I don't. Freemasonry is a religion of hatred
that abuses charitable status for its own ends.
Jahbulon
May 17, 2012, 10:05:54 AM5/17/12
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malcol...@googlemail.com wrote in
news:13538977.3575.1337262237244.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@yncd3:
>> Abusing the tax privileges the government grants
>> Charities so that Freemasons can help themselves,
>> is not the normal understanding of the word charity.
>>
>
> On the other hand, charity directed at people
> other than the actual givers, e.g. Widows &
> Orphans of Freemason, is.
Not true. Almost everyone helps and nurtures their own. What makes decent
people different to Freemasons is that decent people help those outside of
their own fraternity.
news:13538977.3575.1337262237244.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@yncd3:
>> Abusing the tax privileges the government grants
>> Charities so that Freemasons can help themselves,
>> is not the normal understanding of the word charity.
>>
>
> other than the actual givers, e.g. Widows &
> Orphans of Freemason, is.
Not true. Almost everyone helps and nurtures their own. What makes decent
people different to Freemasons is that decent people help those outside of
their own fraternity.
Jahbulon
May 17, 2012, 1:14:32 PM5/17/12
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malcol...@googlemail.com wrote in
news:11005727.2752.1337266911034.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@vblh6:
> Never hear the expression "Charity begins at home"?
I have never heard "charity begins and ends at home," which is what
Freemasonry practices.
news:11005727.2752.1337266911034.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@vblh6:
> Never hear the expression "Charity begins at home"?
I have never heard "charity begins and ends at home," which is what
Freemasonry practices.
Janitor of Lunacy
May 17, 2012, 2:12:13 PM5/17/12
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"Jahbulon" <inv...@invalid.invalid.net> wrote in message
news:XnsA056B9944BB9D...@69.16.185.250...
> malcol...@googlemail.com wrote in
> news:11005727.2752.1337266911034.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@vblh6:
>
>> Never hear the expression "Charity begins at home"?
>
> I have never heard "charity begins and ends at home," which is what
> Freemasonry practices.
I don't see why you think that this is a problem. There are many charitable
> news:11005727.2752.1337266911034.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@vblh6:
>
>> Never hear the expression "Charity begins at home"?
>
> I have never heard "charity begins and ends at home," which is what
> Freemasonry practices.
trusts whose beneficiaries are limited to small subsections of society,
particularly religious ones. Otherwise, if people are worried about the
destination of their donations to any charity, they needn't donate to those
charities, since such donations are voluntary.
Unless you think that only members of sect X should contribute to charities
supporting sect X? And if so, why should this be the case?
Tony Dragon
May 17, 2012, 3:18:32 PM5/17/12
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On 17/05/2012 14:33, Jahbulon wrote:
> Tony Dragon<tony....@btinternet.com> wrote in
> news:g7ednaYrwe7wfynS...@bt.com:
> Tony Dragon<tony....@btinternet.com> wrote in
> news:g7ednaYrwe7wfynS...@bt.com:
>> See, you can produce evidence if it is there, you have proved (it would seem) that that hospice group is for Masons (and dependants), but are you saying that the other hospice's given in those links, the air ambulance, disaster relief (all given in links) are for Masons only?
>>Also what is the problem for Masons funding a group that helps Masons.
>> The Railway Charity does a similar thing.
>> Also what is the problem for Masons
>> funding a group that helps Masons.
>
> Abusing the tax privileges the government grants Charities so that
> Freemasons can help themselves, is not the normal understanding of the word
> charity.
>
Just to help those who are reading this thread, I've added the bits you
>> funding a group that helps Masons.
>
> Abusing the tax privileges the government grants Charities so that
> Freemasons can help themselves, is not the normal understanding of the word
> charity.
>
left out.
Tony Dragon
May 17, 2012, 3:24:16 PM5/17/12
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On 17/05/2012 14:37, Jahbulon wrote:
> Tony Dragon<tony....@btinternet.com> wrote in
> news:TNydnTteMY3KfSnS...@bt.com:
>
>>>> You posted "your hate list",
>>>> so my statement stands.
>>>
>>> Not true: I do not have a hate list.
>>
>> Do not wriggle, it was you who posted "your hate list"
>> in reply to one of my posts, therefore you have said
>> I have a 'hate list'.
>
> I'm not wriggling: how charitable do you claim your allegations of
> wriggling are?
>
You are, as any normal person who reads this thread will see.
> Tony Dragon<tony....@btinternet.com> wrote in
> news:TNydnTteMY3KfSnS...@bt.com:
>
>>>> You posted "your hate list",
>>>> so my statement stands.
>>>
>>> Not true: I do not have a hate list.
>>
>> Do not wriggle, it was you who posted "your hate list"
>> in reply to one of my posts, therefore you have said
>> I have a 'hate list'.
>
> I'm not wriggling: how charitable do you claim your allegations of
> wriggling are?
>
I make no claim about how charitable by allegation are.
> Freemasonry has a hate list; I don't. Freemasonry is a religion of hatred
> that abuses charitable status for its own ends.
>
sutartsorric
May 17, 2012, 3:28:04 PM5/17/12
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On May 17, 8:18 pm, Tony Dragon <tony.dra...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
> > Abusing the tax privileges the government grants Charities so that
> > Freemasons can help themselves, is not the normal understanding of the word
> > charity.
>
> Just to help those who are reading this thread, I've added the bits you
> left out.
Aha, so you admit to patronisation of folk you consider may not be
>
> > Abusing the tax privileges the government grants Charities so that
> > Freemasons can help themselves, is not the normal understanding of the word
> > charity.
>
> Just to help those who are reading this thread, I've added the bits you
> left out.
endowed with your superior intelligence?
Or are you setting yourself up as newsgroup moderator and censor?
Do all masons take this stance, and if so - why?
Janitor of Lunacy
May 17, 2012, 4:06:49 PM5/17/12
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"sutartsorric" <sutart...@googlemail.com> wrote in message
news:0846ddc9-d865-49cb...@w10g2000vbc.googlegroups.com...
On May 17, 8:18 pm, Tony Dragon <tony.dra...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
> > Abusing the tax privileges the government grants Charities so that
> > Freemasons can help themselves, is not the normal understanding of the
> > word
> > charity.
>
> Just to help those who are reading this thread, I've added the bits you
> left out.
Aha, so you admit to patronisation of folk you consider may not be
endowed with your superior intelligence?
-I didn't see that; kindly point out the words on which you seek to reply in
>
> > Abusing the tax privileges the government grants Charities so that
> > Freemasons can help themselves, is not the normal understanding of the
> > word
> > charity.
>
> Just to help those who are reading this thread, I've added the bits you
> left out.
Aha, so you admit to patronisation of folk you consider may not be
endowed with your superior intelligence?
support of that contention.
Or are you setting yourself up as newsgroup moderator and censor?
Do all masons take this stance, and if so - why?
Tony Dragon
May 17, 2012, 4:43:28 PM5/17/12
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On 17/05/2012 20:28, sutartsorric wrote:
> On May 17, 8:18 pm, Tony Dragon<tony.dra...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
>
>>
>>> Abusing the tax privileges the government grants Charities so that
>>> Freemasons can help themselves, is not the normal understanding of the word
>>> charity.
>>
>> Just to help those who are reading this thread, I've added the bits you
>> left out.
>
> Aha, so you admit to patronisation of folk you consider may not be
> endowed with your superior intelligence?
I admit to no such thing, but just like to make sure there is no editing
> On May 17, 8:18 pm, Tony Dragon<tony.dra...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
>
>>
>>> Abusing the tax privileges the government grants Charities so that
>>> Freemasons can help themselves, is not the normal understanding of the word
>>> charity.
>>
>> Just to help those who are reading this thread, I've added the bits you
>> left out.
>
> Aha, so you admit to patronisation of folk you consider may not be
> endowed with your superior intelligence?
that attempts to alter the thread.
>
> Or are you setting yourself up as newsgroup moderator and censor?
I was not aware that this group was moderated & censors normally remove
> Or are you setting yourself up as newsgroup moderator and censor?
references not replace them after they have been removed.
>
> Do all masons take this stance, and if so - why?
Jahbulon
May 17, 2012, 5:44:48 PM5/17/12
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Tony Dragon <tony....@btinternet.com> wrote in
news:ybGdnSllOrBs_yjS...@bt.com:
> I have no idea, I am not a Mason,
> I am not all Masons.
Jahbulon
May 17, 2012, 5:49:50 PM5/17/12
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"Janitor of Lunacy" <zo...@zonk.com> wrote in
news:0cbtr.357055$4z7.2...@fx08.am4:
> I don't see why you think that this is a problem.
Simply pointing out that most people consider the term charity to mean
helping society, not helping oneself, as Freemasons do. You would not set-
up a charity to feed your dog in order get tax relief on dog food, but
Freemasons establish "charities" that help only Freemasons.
news:0cbtr.357055$4z7.2...@fx08.am4:
> I don't see why you think that this is a problem.
helping society, not helping oneself, as Freemasons do. You would not set-
up a charity to feed your dog in order get tax relief on dog food, but
Freemasons establish "charities" that help only Freemasons.
Janitor of Lunacy
May 17, 2012, 7:03:28 PM5/17/12
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news:XnsA056E840F7BFC...@69.16.185.250...
than themselves, and there are a multitude of charities with specific
purposes to which people can donate according to their preferences. The
Freemasons may only help Freemasons, just as some Roman Catholic charities
only help Roman Catholics- and this is not disapproved of in eleemosynary
law, as lawyers call it, so I'd say it's beyond any criticism.
> You would not set-
> up a charity to feed your dog in order get tax relief on dog food, but
> Freemasons establish "charities" that help only Freemasons.
You could not set up a charity specifically for that purpose, but it might
be a welcome side-effect of having charitable status. And (ad nauseam) there
is nothing unlawful about setting up a charity to benefit a particular
target sector, so to single out Freemasons for criticism is not only
disingenuous, but just wrong.
I suggest you do some more reading before you go further down this path of
argument.
> "Janitor of Lunacy" <zo...@zonk.com> wrote in
> news:0cbtr.357055$4z7.2...@fx08.am4:
>
>> I don't see why you think that this is a problem.
>
> Simply pointing out that most people consider the term charity to mean
> helping society, not helping oneself, as Freemasons do.
I think that most people consider charity as helping others less fortunate
> news:0cbtr.357055$4z7.2...@fx08.am4:
>
>> I don't see why you think that this is a problem.
>
> Simply pointing out that most people consider the term charity to mean
> helping society, not helping oneself, as Freemasons do.
than themselves, and there are a multitude of charities with specific
purposes to which people can donate according to their preferences. The
Freemasons may only help Freemasons, just as some Roman Catholic charities
only help Roman Catholics- and this is not disapproved of in eleemosynary
law, as lawyers call it, so I'd say it's beyond any criticism.
> You would not set-
> up a charity to feed your dog in order get tax relief on dog food, but
> Freemasons establish "charities" that help only Freemasons.
be a welcome side-effect of having charitable status. And (ad nauseam) there
is nothing unlawful about setting up a charity to benefit a particular
target sector, so to single out Freemasons for criticism is not only
disingenuous, but just wrong.
I suggest you do some more reading before you go further down this path of
argument.
Jahbulon
May 17, 2012, 7:42:30 PM5/17/12
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"Janitor of Lunacy" <zo...@zonk.com> wrote in
news:3tftr.647626$xD4....@fx06.am4:
> I suggest you do some more reading before
> you go further down this path of argument.
help only Freemasons, whatever you think of the arrangement.
Janitor of Lunacy
May 17, 2012, 8:03:53 PM5/17/12
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news:XnsA0577373F2C0i...@69.16.185.250...
Roman Catholics are abusive of their charitable status, or any other example
that makes your case that the Freemasons are somehow unique in this regard.
You can't. Simple as that. It's the law.
> "Janitor of Lunacy" <zo...@zonk.com> wrote in
> news:3tftr.647626$xD4....@fx06.am4:
>
>> I suggest you do some more reading before
>> you go further down this path of argument.
>
> There is nowhere further to go: Freemasonry abuses charitable status to
> help only Freemasons, whatever you think of the arrangement.
Why is it an abuse? Explain why Roman Catholic charities that help only
> news:3tftr.647626$xD4....@fx06.am4:
>
>> I suggest you do some more reading before
>> you go further down this path of argument.
>
> There is nowhere further to go: Freemasonry abuses charitable status to
> help only Freemasons, whatever you think of the arrangement.
Roman Catholics are abusive of their charitable status, or any other example
that makes your case that the Freemasons are somehow unique in this regard.
You can't. Simple as that. It's the law.
Tony Dragon
May 18, 2012, 1:41:50 AM5/18/12
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people other than Masons.
Tony Dragon
May 18, 2012, 1:43:39 AM5/18/12
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On 17/05/2012 22:44, Jahbulon wrote:
> Tony Dragon<tony....@btinternet.com> wrote in
> news:ybGdnSllOrBs_yjS...@bt.com:
>
>> I have no idea, I am not a Mason,
>> I am not all Masons.
>
> Why then do you contradict complaints about the Freemason religion?
>
I have not contradicted complaints & it is mine (and most peoples)
> Tony Dragon<tony....@btinternet.com> wrote in
> news:ybGdnSllOrBs_yjS...@bt.com:
>
>> I have no idea, I am not a Mason,
>> I am not all Masons.
>
> Why then do you contradict complaints about the Freemason religion?
>
understanding that Freemasonry is not a religion.
Jahbulon
May 18, 2012, 6:29:42 AM5/18/12
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Tony Dragon <tony....@btinternet.com> wrote in news:-t-
dnUyoA98RfCjSn...@bt.com:
> I have not contradicted complaints & it
> is mine (and most peoples) understanding
> that Freemasonry is not a religion.
How did you reach a conclusion about the religious status, or otherwise, of
Freemasonry, if you are not a Freemason?
dnUyoA98RfCjSn...@bt.com:
> I have not contradicted complaints & it
> is mine (and most peoples) understanding
> that Freemasonry is not a religion.
Freemasonry, if you are not a Freemason?
Jahbulon
May 18, 2012, 6:40:56 AM5/18/12
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"Janitor of Lunacy" <zo...@zonk.com> wrote in
news:Hlgtr.497667$sE1.2...@fx22.am4:
>> There is nowhere further to go: Freemasonry abuses charitable status
>> to help only Freemasons, whatever you think of the arrangement.
>
> Why is it an abuse? Explain why Roman Catholic charities
> that help only Roman Catholics are abusive of their
> charitable status, or any other example that makes your
> case that the Freemasons are somehow unique in this regard.
of its buildings into food, help and washing centre for the homeless. No
one is asked about their religious affiliation.
http://www.passage.org.uk/
Freemasons, by comparison, use charitable status to help only themselves.
> You can't.
Just did :)
Jahbulon
May 18, 2012, 6:43:51 AM5/18/12
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Tony Dragon <tony....@btinternet.com> wrote in
news:-t-dnU2oA9-9fCjS...@bt.com:
> And he is ignoring the charities that Mason donate
> to that deal with people other than Masons.
leave people on the Freemason hate list to die/drown?
Gimme a break.
francis
May 18, 2012, 11:40:25 AM5/18/12
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francis
May 18, 2012, 11:42:28 AM5/18/12
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Then give details of the people they have left to drown/die (on purpose of course)
Jahbulon
May 18, 2012, 1:43:02 PM5/18/12
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francis <francis...@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:c8089929-f3c5-4050...@googlegroups.com:
>> Tony Dragon <tony....@btinternet.com> wrote in news:-t-
>> dnUyoA98RfCjSn...@bt.com:
>> > I have not contradicted complaints & it
>> > is mine (and most peoples) understanding
>> > that Freemasonry is not a religion.
>>
>> How did you reach a conclusion about
>> the religious status, or otherwise,
>> of Freemasonry, if you are not a Freemason?
posting under the name, Tony Dragon <tony....@btinternet.com>
news:c8089929-f3c5-4050...@googlegroups.com:
>> Tony Dragon <tony....@btinternet.com> wrote in news:-t-
>> dnUyoA98RfCjSn...@bt.com:
>> > I have not contradicted complaints & it
>> > is mine (and most peoples) understanding
>> > that Freemasonry is not a religion.
>>
>> How did you reach a conclusion about
>> the religious status, or otherwise,
>> of Freemasonry, if you are not a Freemason?
> I look at their web site,
> I listen to peoples views (including Masons)
That's the second time francis <francis...@yahoo.com> has admitted
> I listen to peoples views (including Masons)
posting under the name, Tony Dragon <tony....@btinternet.com>
Jahbulon
May 18, 2012, 1:48:49 PM5/18/12
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francis <francis...@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:40627288-46bd-43a1...@googlegroups.com:
> Please give all the details abiut how Freemasons control
> the RNLI & Air Ambulance. Then give details of the people
> they have left to drown/die (on purpose of course)
What does how Freemasons achieve their psychopathic ends have to do with
the simple fact that they do? As you say, the Freemason controlled RNLI
deliberately and intentionally leaves people to drown if they are hated by
Freemasons.
news:40627288-46bd-43a1...@googlegroups.com:
> Please give all the details abiut how Freemasons control
> the RNLI & Air Ambulance. Then give details of the people
> they have left to drown/die (on purpose of course)
the simple fact that they do? As you say, the Freemason controlled RNLI
deliberately and intentionally leaves people to drown if they are hated by
Freemasons.
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