>I am sadden to inform you that Timothy McVeigh 32*, a 11 year member of the >Masonic fraternity was executed my lethal injection, a few moments ago.
>J.D. Kukenbaker 33* >Grand Master of the Grand Lodge of Freemasons of North America
First of all we know that McVeigh was not a Mason, second, we all know that you are full of s--t since there is no position of :>Grand Master of the Grand Lodge of Freemasons of North America
Why do you even write this garbage? What are you really looking for, other then to start a totally fictional thread on this NG?
>Subject: A 32nd Degree Mason Has Died >From: jdkukenba...@aol.com (JD Kukenbaker) >Date: 6/11/01 5:26 AM Pacific Daylight Time >Message-id: <20010611082606.07780.00003...@ng-fz1.aol.com>
>I am sadden to inform you that Timothy McVeigh 32*, a 11 year member of the >Masonic fraternity was executed my lethal injection, a few moments ago.
>Let us remember him in our prayers.
Dear Sir, First Timothy McVeigh was not a Mason. Anyone who says such a thing is a liar and should furnish proof to prove otrherwise. You will find no such proof because he was never a Mason. Masons do not indulge in such terrible things but can be found helping people throughout the land and not hurting them. I cannot understand what problem you must have to even post such an outright fabrication.
>J.D. Kukenbaker 33* >Grand Master of the Grand Lodge of Freemasons of North America
There is NO such thing as a "Grand Master of the Grand Lodge of Freemasons of North America"
Each State has a Grand Lodge and Grand Master who has jurisdiction over Masonry in that State.. Same applies to Prince Hall Grand Lodges of every State. This person writing this is a fraud and I challenge him to prove otherwise. He is not a Mason in any sense of the word.. We would be glad to e-mail or send information on Freemasonry (Masonry) to any person interested in finding out "What It Means To Be A Mason."
Sincerely & Respectfully,
Sincerely & Respectfully
MasonTruth Bro. Manny Blanco (S.W.) Finally Moreno Valley Lodge # 804 Moreno Valley, CA
"Behold how good and pleasant it is for Brethren to dwell together in unity."
> I am sadden to inform you that Timothy McVeigh 32*, a 11 year member of the > Masonic fraternity was executed my lethal injection, a few moments ago.
> Let us remember him in our prayers.
> J.D. Kukenbaker 33* > Grand Master of the Grand Lodge of Freemasons of North America
GLNA? Never heard of it. Please enlighten me. Also, which body conferred your 33 degree, and what signifigance does it have. (Please bretheren, I KNOW about 33rd degree, (best friends grandfather was 33rd, DDGM Niagara district A)I want the GM of the GLNA to tell me what the signifigance of it is in HIS Freemasonry)
-- Brother Kirk EA Clifton No. 254
"JD Kukenbaker" <jdkukenba...@aol.com> wrote in message
> I am sadden to inform you that Timothy McVeigh 32*, a 11 year member of the > Masonic fraternity was executed my lethal injection, a few moments ago.
> Let us remember him in our prayers.
> J.D. Kukenbaker 33* > Grand Master of the Grand Lodge of Freemasons of North America
>Subject: Re: A 32nd Degree Mason Has Died (NOT A MASON) >From: masontr...@aol.com (MasonTruth) >Date: 6/11/01 7:20 AM Pacific Daylight Time >Message-id: <20010611102006.29534.00000...@ng-mb1.aol.com>
>>Subject: A 32nd Degree Mason Has Died >>From: jdkukenba...@aol.com (JD Kukenbaker) >>Date: 6/11/01 5:26 AM Pacific Daylight Time >>Message-id: <20010611082606.07780.00003...@ng-fz1.aol.com>
Mail to this person comes back as being undeliverable....It figures....
S& F, MasonTruth Bro. Manny Blanco (S.W.) Finally Moreno Valley Lodge # 804 Moreno Valley, CA
"Behold how good and pleasant it is for Brethren to dwell together in unity."
You were surprised that somone claiming affiliation with a fictitional organization, and posts untruth also has a false e-mail address? You are far more trusting than I Manny. I just assumed it would be a forged e-mail address. maybe I should trace it down and report it to AOL? I'm sure they would have an issue with someone forging a reply to address that uses them as a domain.
bTW Hw are things in Mreno? hope you are well.
-- Brother Kirk EA Clifton No. 254
"MasonTruth" <masontr...@aol.com> wrote in message
> >Subject: Re: A 32nd Degree Mason Has Died (NOT A MASON) > >From: masontr...@aol.com (MasonTruth) > >Date: 6/11/01 7:20 AM Pacific Daylight Time > >Message-id: <20010611102006.29534.00000...@ng-mb1.aol.com>
> >>Subject: A 32nd Degree Mason Has Died > >>From: jdkukenba...@aol.com (JD Kukenbaker) > >>Date: 6/11/01 5:26 AM Pacific Daylight Time > >>Message-id: <20010611082606.07780.00003...@ng-fz1.aol.com>
> Mail to this person comes back as being undeliverable....It figures....
> S& F, > MasonTruth > Bro. Manny Blanco (S.W.) Finally > Moreno Valley Lodge # 804 > Moreno Valley, CA
> "Behold how good and pleasant it is for Brethren to dwell together in unity."
"MasonTruth" <masontr...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20010611122445.10891.00003716@ng-mc1.aol.com... | >Subject: Re: A 32nd Degree Mason Has Died (NOT A MASON) | >From: masontr...@aol.com (MasonTruth) | >Date: 6/11/01 7:20 AM Pacific Daylight Time | >Message-id: <20010611102006.29534.00000...@ng-mb1.aol.com> | > | >>Subject: A 32nd Degree Mason Has Died | >>From: jdkukenba...@aol.com (JD Kukenbaker) | >>Date: 6/11/01 5:26 AM Pacific Daylight Time | >>Message-id: <20010611082606.07780.00003...@ng-fz1.aol.com> | >> | | Mail to this person comes back as being undeliverable....It figures....
Manny, how do you keep from becoming cynical? Some kind of vitamins, maybe? <g>
"Hey, I found a tandem bicycle," he cried fortuitously.
>Subject: Re: A 32nd Degree Mason Has Died (NOT A MASON) >From: "Kirk Richardson" ihatespamtwitch...@home.com >Date: 6/11/01 10:16 AM Pacific Daylight Time >Message-id: <o17V6.94262$r7.12379...@news1.busy1.on.home.com>
>Manny
>You were surprised that somone claiming affiliation with a fictitional >organization, and posts untruth also has a false e-mail address? You are far >more trusting than I Manny. I just assumed it would be a forged e-mail >address. maybe I should trace it down and report it to AOL? I'm sure they >would have an issue with someone forging a reply to address that uses them >as a domain.
>bTW Hw are things in Mreno? hope you are well.
Dear Brother Kirk, I knew it would come back but I reply anyways.. I feel it important to expose these people and also for Non-Masons to know the truth as well as know that these guys are not real Masons....Everything is well thanks.. Looking forward to meeting Brother Richard White this week....Hope all is well by you... Big Masonic Hug:-)
S & F, MasonTruth Bro. Manny Blanco (S.W.) Finally Moreno Valley Lodge # 804 Moreno Valley, CA
"Behold how good and pleasant it is for Brethren to dwell together in unity."
>Subject: Re: A 32nd Degree Mason Has Died (NOT A MASON) >From: "Tom Accuosti" taccuo...@earthlink.net >Date: 6/11/01 12:53 PM Pacific Daylight Time >Message-id: <Zk9V6.4013$eZ6.575...@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net>
Dear TOm, I do sometimes... I try not to though. THe anti's are but a small picture here.. Most of the time a non-Mason can tell they are not all there or not telling the truth. If we as Masons respond with truth and honestry it will remove all doubt. When we post things can be verified and when the anti's post in most cases they cannot not...They make things up as they go along and never have proof to back up their post..AOL has a few of them who take advantage of the 7 screen names allowed per account and use them to post as Masons or Masonic Authorities. Once a few of them got me kicked off...Between Raybert, Harris, and Lambert I was reported as starting trouble everytime I answered a post on the Christian Online Message Boards. The head Host was very anti-Masonic and was being influenced by these jokers. I eventually had to contact Virginia (AOL Headquarters) and they straightened it out. The anti's then went to the ACLU Site trying to get attention and some followerts and even there they were exposed for being frauds. It was my first encounter with Athiests and although they couldn't be Masons (Mainstream) I met some very nice and honorabe peope there. have a great day Tom and thnaks for the post.
Sincerely & Soon Fraternally, MasonTruth Bro. Manny Blanco (S.W.) Finally Moreno Valley Lodge # 804 Moreno Valley, CA
"Behold how good and pleasant it is for Brethren to dwell together in unity."
> I am sadden to inform you that Timothy McVeigh 32*, a 11 year member of the > Masonic fraternity was executed my lethal injection, a few moments ago.
> Let us remember him in our prayers.
> J.D. Kukenbaker 33* > Grand Master of the Grand Lodge of Freemasons of North America
As a certain comic I know of would say, that is just plain Bullfunky.
BTW, so far as I know, and I try to keep myself versed in what appendants there are to the Fraternity, there is no such Grand Lodge of North America. Not according to the UGLoE, nor according to the last 36 different Grand Jurisdictions I checked before responding to this one.
MasonTruth <masontr...@aol.com> wrote: >>Subject: A 32nd Degree Mason Has Died >>From: jdkukenba...@aol.com (JD Kukenbaker) >>Date: 6/11/01 5:26 AM Pacific Daylight Time >>Message-id: <20010611082606.07780.00003...@ng-fz1.aol.com>
>>I am sadden to inform you that Timothy McVeigh 32*, a 11 year member of the >>Masonic fraternity was executed my lethal injection, a few moments ago.
>>Let us remember him in our prayers.
> Dear Sir, > First Timothy McVeigh was not a Mason. Anyone who says such a thing is a liar > and > should furnish proof to prove otrherwise. You will find no such proof because > he was never a Mason. Masons do not indulge in such terrible things
This is quite clearly not the case. Occasionally, yes even freemasons tend to display regular human behavior; that is malice, greed, envy, etc.
To believe that it never happens is to be naive to the extreme.
>Subject: Re: A 32nd Degree Mason Has Died (NOT A MASON) >From: yt...@mutilation.net (.) >Date: 6/18/01 10:33 AM Mountain Daylight Time >Message-id: <9glaft$og...@bob.news.rcn.net>
>This is quite clearly not the case. Occasionally, yes even freemasons tend >to >display regular human behavior; that is malice, greed, envy, etc.
>To believe that it never happens is to be naive to the extreme.
Dear Sir/Possibly Brother, While members of the Masonic Fraternity are not perfect the type of behavior desribed in uncommon among our members. Masonry takes a good man and makes him a better one..I did not say it never happens but I am saying that it is very uncommon. Masonry begins in a man's heart and he should act out of the Lodge as he does in Lodge.
>>I am sadden to inform you that Timothy McVeigh 32*, a 11 year member of the >>Masonic fraternity was executed my lethal injection, a few moments ago.
McVeigh was not a Mason and I question the Masonic credentials and information of this gentleman who says he was. As I have said "Masonry begins in a man's heart" and a Mason would not post such garbage....
Sincerely & Respectfully, MasonTruth Bro. Manny Blanco (S.W.) Finally Moreno Valley Lodge # 804 Moreno Valley, CA
"Behold how good and pleasant it is for Brethren to dwell together in unity."
MasonTruth <masontr...@aol.com> wrote: >>Subject: Re: A 32nd Degree Mason Has Died (NOT A MASON) >>From: yt...@mutilation.net (.) >>Date: 6/18/01 10:33 AM Mountain Daylight Time >>Message-id: <9glaft$og...@bob.news.rcn.net>
>>This is quite clearly not the case. Occasionally, yes even freemasons tend >>to >>display regular human behavior; that is malice, greed, envy, etc.
>>To believe that it never happens is to be naive to the extreme.
> Dear Sir/Possibly Brother, > While members of the Masonic Fraternity are not perfect the type of behavior > desribed in uncommon among our members. Masonry takes a good man and makes him > a better one..I did not say it never happens but I am saying that it is very > uncommon. Masonry begins in a man's heart and he should act out of the Lodge as > he does in Lodge.
Perhaps, but admitting that it does happen-but with rarity is enough to understand that not every legal, regular, recognized, bonafide mason is a nice fellow.
>>>I am sadden to inform you that Timothy McVeigh 32*, a 11 year member of the >>>Masonic fraternity was executed my lethal injection, a few moments ago. > McVeigh was not a Mason and I question the Masonic credentials and information > of this gentleman who says he was. As I have said "Masonry begins in a man's > heart" and a Mason would not post such garbage....
Oh I agree, its very highly unlikely that mcveigh was any sort of mason, let alone a "real" one; but at the same time, its handy to note that masons are themselves quite capable of such actions, being human first--eh?
Lets not forget where our feet are.
-----.
-- "George Dubya Bush---the best presidency money can buy"
---obviously some Godless commie heathen faggot bastard
>Subject: Re: A 32nd Degree Mason Has Died (NOT A MASON) >From: yt...@mutilation.net (.) >Date: 6/18/01 1:53 PM Mountain Daylight Time >Message-id: <9glm7m$lc...@bob.news.rcn.net>
>Oh I agree, its very highly unlikely that mcveigh was any sort of mason, let >alone >a "real" one; but at the same time, its handy to note that masons are >themselves >quite capable of such actions, being human first--eh?
>Lets not forget where our feet are.
Dear Sir, I have no problem with that statement. After all we are only human and each person is responsible for what they do..No one is perfect but most Masons I know try to be good people and honest. There are reasons why a person asks to become a Mason. He generally is a good person and is interested in helping others.
Sincerely & Respectfully,
MasonTruth Bro. Manny Blanco (S.W.) Finally Moreno Valley Lodge # 804 Moreno Valley, CA
"Behold how good and pleasant it is for Brethren to dwell together in unity."
MasonTruth <masontr...@aol.com> wrote: >>Subject: Re: A 32nd Degree Mason Has Died (NOT A MASON) >>From: yt...@mutilation.net (.) >>Date: 6/18/01 1:53 PM Mountain Daylight Time >>Message-id: <9glm7m$lc...@bob.news.rcn.net>
>>Oh I agree, its very highly unlikely that mcveigh was any sort of mason, let >>alone >>a "real" one; but at the same time, its handy to note that masons are >>themselves >>quite capable of such actions, being human first--eh?
>>Lets not forget where our feet are.
> Dear Sir, > I have no problem with that statement. After all we are only human and each > person is responsible for what they do..No one is perfect but most Masons I > know try to be good people and honest. There are reasons why a person asks to > become a Mason. He generally is a good person and is interested in helping > others.
Agreed wholeheartedly. My point was simply that this rule cannot be applied to each and every freemason; theres always a jaded fruit somewhere, most unfortunately.
-----.
-- "George Dubya Bush---the best presidency money can buy"
---obviously some Godless commie heathen faggot bastard
>Subject: Re: A 32nd Degree Mason Has Died (NOT A MASON) >From: yt...@mutilation.net (.) >Date: 6/18/01 6:26 PM Mountain Daylight Time >Message-id: <9gm66o$fs...@bob.news.rcn.net>
>Agreed wholeheartedly. My point was simply that this rule cannot be applied >to each and every freemason; theres always a jaded fruit somewhere, most >unfortunately.
Dear Brother, Unfortunate but true. It could happen...
S & F,
MasonTruth Bro. Manny Blanco (S.W.) Finally Moreno Valley Lodge # 804 Moreno Valley, CA
"Behold how good and pleasant it is for Brethren to dwell together in unity."
