The office of Wesley M. Mouch Director, State Science Institute Washington, D.C. USA
Ladies and Gentlemen,
Methinks perhaps my good friend and associate (not to mention, future public relations czar), Gregory Hall, has been a little too hard on Ray Banana who administers the fine, professionally operated, free news server Motzarella. I tend to view the animosity as a clash of two strong personalities. In today's world of easy communication this sort of thing is bound to occur.
Personally, I happen to like Ray Banana. Why? Because Ray is obviously a good socialist. I say this because just look at what Ray is doing. He provides for free a valuable communication service for those who may not have the means to afford to pay for such a service. I say, "kudos!"
"From each according to his means, to each according to his need" is one of the more apt and true statements ever conceived of by the human intellect. Based upon this truism, Mr. Banana is a paragon of virtue.
I extend the hand of friendship to Mr. Banana as he is obviously a fellow socialist and the world has great need of more real men of vision like him. Since he has swallowed his false pride, eaten crow and graciously reinstated my Motzaball with cheese free account, I now hold him in high esteem
> The office of Wesley M. Mouch > Director, State Science Institute > Washington, D.C. > USA
> Ladies and Gentlemen,
> Methinks perhaps my good friend and associate (not to mention, future > public relations czar), Gregory Hall, has been a little too hard on > Ray Banana who administers the fine, professionally operated, free > news server Motzarella. I tend to view the animosity as a clash of two > strong personalities. In today's world of easy communication this sort > of thing is bound to occur.
> Personally, I happen to like Ray Banana. Why? Because Ray is obviously > a good socialist. I say this because just look at what Ray is doing. > He provides for free a valuable communication service for those who > may not have the means to afford to pay for such a service. I say, > "kudos!"
> "From each according to his means, to each according to his need" is > one of the more apt and true statements ever conceived of by the human > intellect. Based upon this truism, Mr. Banana is a paragon of virtue.
> I extend the hand of friendship to Mr. Banana as he is obviously a > fellow socialist and the world has great need of more real men of > vision like him. Since he has swallowed his false pride, eaten crow > and graciously reinstated my Motzaball with cheese free account, I > now hold him in high esteem
,--------------------------------------------------------------------- | Q: What is your policy on Path: pre-loading? | | A: If a customer of Altopia performs Path: pre-loading on their Path: | lines with valid (or valid looking) site names before "news.alt.net" | they should end their path-preloading with "news.alt.net", so that it | ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ | appears twice and it is obvious the post originated at Altopia. An | exception to this is made for customers who pre-load a site name that | they own or have permission to use. For example: | | Path: ...!news.alt.net!valid_looking_site_name!news.alt.net `---------------------------------------------------------------------
Reading, understanding and observing the Terms Of Use of a NSP seems to be too much of an intellectual challenge to our beloved working class hero[1].
[1] Keep you doped with religion sex and TV And you think you're so clever and classless and free But you're still fucking peasants as far as i can see
A working class hero is something to be A working class hero is something to be
> ,--------------------------------------------------------------------- > | Q: What is your policy on Path: pre-loading? > | > | A: If a customer of Altopia performs Path: pre-loading on their Path: > | lines with valid (or valid looking) site names before "news.alt.net" > | they should end their path-preloading with "news.alt.net", so that it > | ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > | appears twice and it is obvious the post originated at Altopia. An > | exception to this is made for customers who pre-load a site name that > | they own or have permission to use. For example: > | > | Path: ...!news.alt.net!valid_looking_site_name!news.alt.net > `---------------------------------------------------------------------
> Reading, understanding and observing the Terms Of Use of a NSP seems to > be too much of an intellectual challenge to our beloved working class > hero[1].
PKB, I'm afraid! You seemed to have conveniently overlooked the last part of the AUP which I quote here: "An exception to this is made for customers who pre-load a site name that they own or have permission to use."
Surely Mr. Mouch has permission to use his own web page as the exception quoted. Did you perchance check the validity of the link www.webspawner.com/users/wesleymouch/
So, let's review for the Peanut Gallery:
1) news.alt.net appears twice as required at the beginning and end of the preloaded path, 2) Mr. Mouch has availed himself of the exception allowed by the rule 3) Mr. Mouch has no control over what appears to the left of the second news.alt.net so please spare him (and the rest of us) the silly ^^^^^^^^^^^^'s beneath the path from the second news.alt.net to Google. Google???? Bwaahahahahahha. Is Motzarella so lame that the admin has to go to Google Groups to check headers in a post?
Phalt_arse, YooHoo! Are you noting this spanking of your hero? ;-) Seems to me the Mouch man is demonstrably smarter than the BananaBoi.
> [1] Keep you doped with religion sex and TV > And you think you're so clever and classless and free > But you're still fucking peasants as far as i can see
> A working class hero is something to be > A working class hero is something to be
> Surely Mr. Mouch has permission to use his own web page as the exception > quoted. Did you perchance check the validity of the link > www.webspawner.com/users/wesleymouch/
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Come back when you have learned the difference between an URL and a host name. Your incompetence is boring me to tears.
At least you admit that this fake posting was sent from Altopia.
> [fake Path: header] >> Surely Mr. Mouch has permission to use his own web page as the exception >> quoted. Did you perchance check the validity of the link >> www.webspawner.com/users/wesleymouch/ > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > Come back when you have learned the difference between an URL and a host > name. Your incompetence is boring me to tears.
I've come back to clue you in. Where does it say in the AUP anything about a host name? Again, and I quote, "An exception to this is made for customers who pre-load a site name that they own or have permission to use." Now, just what don't you understand about the term "site name?" Is www.webspawner.com/users/wesleymouch/ not a site name? You know, site as in web site?
> At least you admit that this fake posting was sent from Altopia.
I admitted no such thing. Who knows from whence Mr. Mouch's post originate? Seems to me any competent admin who knows how to read a path might easily reach his own conclusions. For an admin you are, indeed, quite naive. But, you're capable of learning, I'm sure. Why else would I be attempting to educate you?
Wesley says you provide a valuable service and are a good, budding socialist so that's good enough for me.
> ,--------------------------------------------------------------------- > | Q: What is your policy on Path: pre-loading? > | > | A: If a customer of Altopia performs Path: pre-loading on their Path: > | lines with valid (or valid looking) site names before "news.alt.net" > | they should end their path-preloading with "news.alt.net", so that it > | ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > | appears twice and it is obvious the post originated at Altopia. An > | exception to this is made for customers who pre-load a site name that > | they own or have permission to use. For example: > | > | Path: ...!news.alt.net!valid_looking_site_name!news.alt.net > `---------------------------------------------------------------------
> Reading, understanding and observing the Terms Of Use of a NSP seems to > be too much of an intellectual challenge to our beloved working class > hero[1].
> [1] Keep you doped with religion sex and TV > And you think you're so clever and classless and free > But you're still fucking peasants as far as i can see
> A working class hero is something to be > A working class hero is something to be
>> Come back when you have learned the difference between an URL and a host >> name. Your incompetence is boring me to tears. > I've come back to clue you in. Where does it say in the AUP anything about a > host name? Again, and I quote, "An exception to this is made for customers > who > pre-load a site name that they own or have permission to use." Now, just > what don't you understand about the term "site name?" Is > www.webspawner.com/users/wesleymouch/ not a site name? You know, site as in > web site?
The content of the Path: header is defined in a technical standard called "RFC", in this case it is RFC1036. It is beyond an NSP's competence to redefine or overrule technical standards and it is also beyond your intellectual capabilities to even understand what I'm talking about. Just stop messing around before you hurt yourself.
>>> Come back when you have learned the difference between an URL and a host >>> name. Your incompetence is boring me to tears. >> I've come back to clue you in. Where does it say in the AUP anything >> about a >> host name? Again, and I quote, "An exception to this is made for >> customers >> who >> pre-load a site name that they own or have permission to use." Now, just >> what don't you understand about the term "site name?" Is >> www.webspawner.com/users/wesleymouch/ not a site name? You know, site as >> in >> web site?
> The content of the Path: header is defined in a technical standard > called "RFC", in this case it is RFC1036. It is beyond an NSP's > competence to redefine or overrule technical standards and it is also > beyond your intellectual capabilities to even understand what I'm > talking about. Just stop messing around before you hurt yourself.
Ha ha hah ahhhahhahahahah! Seems to me, in the recent past, you agreed with statements to the effect that a news server admin can pick and choose those rules he wishes to choose in his own TOS or AUP.
Now you are claiming another admin does not have the same rights and privileges? You seem to be saying that the Altopia admin is ignorant?
Errr, while Wesley has faith in you, I will place my bets on Mr. Caputo any day when it comes to knowing the workings of Usenet. After all, he is a professional while you are yet an amateur. Still wet behind the ears!
But, please hang in there. You seem to have some small measure of ability. Enjoy the rest of your day.
> The content of the Path: header is defined in a technical standard > called "RFC", in this case it is RFC1036. It is beyond an NSP's > competence to redefine or overrule technical standards and it is also > beyond your intellectual capabilities to even understand what I'm > talking about. Just stop messing around before you hurt yourself.
From RFC1036, please note the highlighted part:
2.1.6. Path
This line shows the path the message took to reach the current system. When a system forwards the message, it should add its own name to the list of systems in the "Path" line. The names may be separated by any punctuation character or characters (except "." which is considered part of the hostname). Thus, the following are valid entries:
(The latter path indicates a message that passed through decvax, cca, sri-unix, zehntel, and teklabs, in that order.) Additional names should be added from the left. For example, the most recently added name in the fourth example was teklabs. Letters, digits, periods and hyphens are considered part of host names; other punctuation, including blanks, are considered separators.
>>>>>>>>>> Normally, the rightmost name will be the name of the >>>>>>>>>> originating <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< >>>>>>>>>> system. However, it is also permissible to include an extra >>>>>>>>>> entry <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< >>>>>>>>>> on the right, which is the name of the sender. This is for >>>>>>>>>> upward <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< >>>>>>>>>> compatibility with older >>>>>>>>>> systems.<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
The "Path" line is not used for replies, and should not be taken as a mailing address. It is intended to show the route the message traveled to reach the local host. There are several uses for this information. One is to monitor USENET routing for performance
reasons. Another is to establish a path to reach new hosts. Perhaps the most important use is to cut down on redundant USENET traffic by failing to forward a message to a host that is known to have already received it. In par
