The Vindictive Free News Server Administrator
Gregory Hall
This essay concerns itself mostly with Steven Crooked, admin of the mixmin
free news server. It appears he is one sick, psychotic individual. He has
now taken to stalking me, Gregory Hall, around Usenet and he posts to groups
to which I subscribe in order to spread his brand of vindictiveness because
of is desire for revenge. His goal - censorship and an outright banning of
me from Usenet.
First let's examine the definition of vindictive.
vindictive \vin-dik-tiv\ adj 1 : disposed to revenge 2 : intended for or
involving revenge 3 : vicious, spiteful vindictively adv, vindictiveness n
Crooked is vindictive because "Gloria" (my one and only nym on mixmin)
posted one flame post to alt.sailing.asa several months ago and, of course,
the whining little netcop to whom it was addressed quickly penned an abuse
complaint to Crooked. Crooked, in his ignorance about flaming being an
integral part of Usenet and an exercise of free speech, immediately booted
Gloria from mixmin and then he openly bragged about it on
alt.free.newsservers. It was apparent to me that Crooked and Ray Banana of
motzarella (a similar individual in his ways and means) conspired behind the
scenes and shared confidential IP number information in order to tie me,
Gregory Hall, with Gloria. There is simply no other way Crooked could have
known that my motzarella nym, Wesley Mouch, and Gloria both had the same IP
number.
Please realize that both individuals claim to protect their subscribers'
rights and anonymity but they both lied about it in order to engage in petty
censorship and an obsessive 'control' mentality. This control mentality has
run amok of late among some free news server admins who seem to have as a
top priority exercising a mean-spirited, Nazi mentality. They act like
little Hitlers addicted to power and use their free servers mainly as a
weapon to project, ignorant, over-inflated egos into cyberspace most likely
because in the physical world they have little power and control but they
desire it above all other things. Hence their abuse, yes I said it! their
abuse OF the net as revenge for ill-defined or poorly understood abuse ON
the net. Ask yourself, which is the more serious transgression? Such
hypocrites! Their real offenses should be investigated by the people who
actually control how Usenet is run. An NSP admin's abuse OF the net is a
serious matter. Yet, there he sits, Steve Crooked, abuser OF the net,
attempting to rule by fiat over somebody he ignorantly and falsely accuses
of abuse ON the net. That's tantamount to a rapist accusing a jaywalker.
Hall, where's the proof of false accusations, you ask? Read on . . .
The latest fiasco is Steve Crooked making up lies and calling me a forger in
alt.usenet.kooks because he was so anxious to get me booted from my present
NSP. He even posted a rule from my NSP's TOS/AUP that simply did not apply.
(I wonder did he obtain permission to reproduce copyrighted material?) It
was the rule about forging an e-mail address that belongs to somebody else.
Crooked was too stupid to notice where I had replaced a 'g' in the address
with a 'q' therefore rendering it a 'froggery' instead of a 'forgery.' In
his vindictive haste, Crooked accused me in public of forging - a serious
and bootable offense - when I had done nothing of the sort. My froggery was
done with a noble purpose - to attempt to end a five year long flame war
where a 70-year-old woman was the victim. And, it seems to be working, at
least for now.
Crooked has some serious issues. Who appointed him to a netcop position? His
actions prove to me he is sloppy, unobservant, revengeful, possessed of a
control mentality, fails to recognize boundaries, unethical, hypocritical
and needs to learn how to mind his own business. In other words, the man is
out of control and is headed for some serious trouble. If there are any
concerned psychologists or psychiatrists reading this please forward a
v-card to Steve Crooked.
--
Gregory Hall
Ray Banana
> There is simply no other way Crooked could have
> known that my motzarella nym, Wesley Mouch, and Gloria both had the same IP
> number.
Steve didn't know Wesley Mouch and Gloria used the same IP address and
he didn't need to know, as his decision had nothing to do with your
activities on Motzarella, just like your activities on Mixmin had
nothing to do with the cancellation of your Motzarella account or the
loss of your Databasix account.
http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/rebelwithoutclue.htm
--
Time flies like an arrow, fruit flies like a Banana.
http://news.motzarella.org
Gregory Hall
"Ray Banana" <ray...@banana.shacknet.nu> wrote in message
news:80d4f8s...@banana.shacknet.nu...
> Thus spake "Gregory Hall" <greg...@home.fake>
>
>> There is simply no other way Crooked could have
>> known that my motzarella nym, Wesley Mouch, and Gloria both had the same
>> IP
>> number.
>
> Steve didn't know Wesley Mouch and Gloria used the same IP address and
> he didn't need to know, as his decision had nothing to do with your
> activities on Motzarella, just like your activities on Mixmin had
> nothing to do with the cancellation of your Motzarella account or the
> loss of your Databasix account.
>
> http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/rebelwithoutclue.htm
Ray, you're such a liar. Allow me to refresh your jaded memory:
This is from a post by somebody else - not me.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
It appears that the admin of a free server (promising anonymity) has
revealed information about one of its users, possibly in a willful and
malicious manner. The post in question is redisplayed here:
Path: news.wiretrip.org!news2.arglkargh.de!news.mixmin.net!not-for-mail
From: Steve <st...@mixmin.net>
Newsgroups: alt.free.newsservers
Subject: Re: Att: Greg Hall
Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 17:40:23 +0000 (UTC)
Organization: Mixmin
Lines: 14
Message-ID: <g77eu7$sh5$1...@news.mixmin.net>
References: <g779ne$2a1$1...@aioe.org>
NNTP-Posting-Host: da8d3a6a19fa02f9a10120a1477aeb90
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
X-Complaints-To: ab...@mixmin.net
NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 17:40:23 +0000 (UTC)
User-Agent: slrn/pre0.9.9-111 (Linux)
On Mon, 4 Aug 2008 12:13:20 -0400, Mike wrote in
Message-Id: <g779ne$2a1$1...@aioe.org>:
> Free speech exists due to the unrelenting vigilance of people such as Greg
> Hall. I'm sure others will take the time to thank you for the great
> service
> you are doing. God Bless you!
Free speech doesn't extend to Greg using my free service to post abuse
to Usenet using sock puppets called "Gloria".
--
pub 1024D/228761E7 2003-06-04 Steven Crook
Key fingerprint = 1CD9 95E1 E9CE 80D6 C885 B7EB B471 80D5 2287 61E7
uid Steven Crook <st...@mixmin.net>
The supposed "infraction" occured on another newsgroup. Why is this
information being made public here or anywhere?
Apparently privacy, confidentiality, anonymity are just buzzwords with these
freeservers. This could even be in violation of the law.
Now who would want to use a freeserver were the administrator runs about
giving information to the public about your use?
The second big question is: Where did the ISP info come from so the admin
could verify the user? Obviously from another freeserver.
So there you have it - freeservers sharing client information back and
forth.
Now this is a Euro thing since they know little about freedom and nothing
about the American way. Not only did Americans fight for their own freedom,
they did it more than once to free Europe from the messes they voted
themselves into (ja, der fuhrer vas elekted). It's more like "arbiet mach
freeserver" over there.
If you value your confidentiality and want to use a professional service
look to America, specifically look at Altopia. The owner knows and
understands liberty and freedom. He respects his paying customers. He won't
divulge information about them, he handles problems behind a closed door,
courteously and respectfully. The service is always running and always
reliable. We can all sleep better at night knowing that some of the profits
goes to electing those who know, understand and cherish freedom. God bless
Altopia and the American way!
For those worried about their freeservers revealing their info publicly I
would suggest looking into the laws of your country.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Good Follow-up-to: try there Ray. I guess you really didn't want it seen on
nanu.
--
Gregory Hall
Steve
On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 10:15:26 -0500, Gregory Hall wrote in
Message-Id: <2fcuv8....@news.alt.net>:
> This essay concerns itself mostly with Steven Crooked, admin of the mixmin
> free news server. It appears he is one sick, psychotic individual. He has
> now taken to stalking me, Gregory Hall, around Usenet and he posts to groups
> to which I subscribe in order to spread his brand of vindictiveness because
> of is desire for revenge. His goal - censorship and an outright banning of
> me from Usenet.
Dear Gregory,
Firstly, congratulations, you found a group to crosspost in where I
haven't as yet scored you out of existence. Pity as now I'm tempted to
respond to your nonsense.
Stalking you around Usenet - Nope, I wrote a Cleanfeed recipe to
identify and log Path pre-loading from Altopia after Chris announced a
new policy to address what you were doing. I didn't stalk you, I just
monitored messages where this pre-loading was performed in violation of
that policy. As the maintainer of the most recent Cleanfeed updates I
spend a lot of time "stalking" Usenet. Once you started to use this
method to forge other Usenet sources, both servers and posters, I
produced a formal Cleanfeed update to reject those messages. The
announcement is here:
<slrngl40gs...@news.mixmin.net>
> Crooked is vindictive because "Gloria" (my one and only nym on mixmin)
> posted one flame post to alt.sailing.asa several months ago and, of course,
> the whining little netcop to whom it was addressed quickly penned an abuse
> complaint to Crooked. Crooked, in his ignorance about flaming being an
> integral part of Usenet and an exercise of free speech, immediately booted
> Gloria from mixmin and then he openly bragged about it on
> alt.free.newsservers.
Correct to a point, you were trolling Usenet through my service using a
nym of Gloria and I did receive an abuse complaint about it. I
cautioned you about it here:
<g77eu7$sh5$1...@news.mixmin.net>
At no point have you (or your socks) ever been banned from Mixmin. As
the server requires no authentication to post, my only course of action
would have been to block posting to the group in question, that never
happened.
> It was apparent to me that Crooked and Ray Banana of motzarella (a
> similar individual in his ways and means) conspired behind the scenes
> and shared confidential IP number information in order to tie me,
> Gregory Hall, with Gloria. There is simply no other way Crooked could
> have known that my motzarella nym, Wesley Mouch, and Gloria both had
> the same IP number.
For the record, Ray and I have only ever privately communicated on
matters of Usenet peering, the last time being long before you appeared
on the scene.
> Please realize that both individuals claim to protect their subscribers'
> rights and anonymity but they both lied about it in order to engage in petty
> censorship and an obsessive 'control' mentality.
Regarding free speech and rights to anonymity, I run a Mixmaster
remailer, a pseudonym server and a Tor node. I'm also a member of the
Mixmaster development team. If there's more I can do for free speech
and anonymity on Usenet, please let me know.
Whilst I dislike your trolling of Usenet groups and wild crossposting to
fan your flamewars, I actually defend your right to do it as I mentioned
in a recent posting. I prod your ego with a stick in alt.usenet.kooks
simply because you don't like it; seems you aren't too fond of taking
your own medicine.
Free speech and anonymity are fine principles for you to preach but the
line is crossed when you impersonate other posters to the extent of
forging abuse contact addresses, X-Trace headers and Paths. The fact
you put a 'q' instead of a 'g' in the email address doesn't alter your
intention to mislead one iota.
[snip]
> The latest fiasco is Steve Crooked making up lies and calling me a forger in
> alt.usenet.kooks because he was so anxious to get me booted from my present
> NSP. He even posted a rule from my NSP's TOS/AUP that simply did not apply.
> (I wonder did he obtain permission to reproduce copyrighted material?) It
> was the rule about forging an e-mail address that belongs to somebody else.
Really? Please cite a Message-ID where I have quoted this policy.
[snip]
I'll stop there as in true Gregory Hall tradition you'll now twist my
words in order to present yourself as some kind of morally superior
netizen whose intentions are only to help others and save puppies. Good
luck with the a.u.k awards this month, I see you're nominated for even
more than in previous months.
Gregory Hall
"Steve" <st...@mixmin.net> wrote in message
news:slrnglnf8h...@news.mixmin.net...
Since the time when the Altopia admin clarified his policy on
path-preloading I have complied with the ruling. It is NOT against Altopia
policy to path-preload as long as a couple of things are done, namely
putting alt.net before and after the path pre-load and not using any domain
tacked onto the end unless it's the user's or the user has permission to use
it.
You can write as many cleanfeed rules about path pre-loading as your little
heart desires and I don't really give a hoot but please stop acting like
your doing so to keep illegal activity off your servers because, again, it's
not against my NSP policy to path-preload. And, try to understand that path
pre-loading is not forging or it would not be allowed. Duh!
>
>> Crooked is vindictive because "Gloria" (my one and only nym on mixmin)
>> posted one flame post to alt.sailing.asa several months ago and, of
>> course,
>> the whining little netcop to whom it was addressed quickly penned an
>> abuse
>> complaint to Crooked. Crooked, in his ignorance about flaming being an
>> integral part of Usenet and an exercise of free speech, immediately
>> booted
>> Gloria from mixmin and then he openly bragged about it on
>> alt.free.newsservers.
>
> Correct to a point, you were trolling Usenet through my service using a
> nym of Gloria and I did receive an abuse complaint about it. I
> cautioned you about it here:
> <g77eu7$sh5$1...@news.mixmin.net>
I'd say that was very damning evidence of your lack of professionalism. A
public display that you knew Greg and Gloria were one and the same. Same IP#
= same person. But, that begs the question of how did you get Greg's IP
number to compare it with Gloria's to be so cocksure? Any real NSP admin
would have an e-mail address where he could communicate via e-mail to inform
a customer of an infraction. Instead you have no such system so you feel
free to bully your subscribers on Usenet. And then you call Gloria an abuser
for one flame post on an alt group. Hypocrite!
> At no point have you (or your socks) ever been banned from Mixmin. As
> the server requires no authentication to post, my only course of action
> would have been to block posting to the group in question, that never
> happened.
Liar. You blocked Gloria from posting. That's the same thing as a ban.
Groups can be read from most anywhere. A block on posting is tantamount to a
ban. Get a clue.
>
>> It was apparent to me that Crooked and Ray Banana of motzarella (a
>> similar individual in his ways and means) conspired behind the scenes
>> and shared confidential IP number information in order to tie me,
>> Gregory Hall, with Gloria. There is simply no other way Crooked could
>> have known that my motzarella nym, Wesley Mouch, and Gloria both had
>> the same IP number.
> For the record, Ray and I have only ever privately communicated on
> matters of Usenet peering, the last time being long before you appeared
> on the scene.
I don't believe you.
>
>> Please realize that both individuals claim to protect their subscribers'
>> rights and anonymity but they both lied about it in order to engage in
>> petty
>> censorship and an obsessive 'control' mentality.
> Regarding free speech and rights to anonymity, I run a Mixmaster
> remailer, a pseudonym server and a Tor node. I'm also a member of the
> Mixmaster development team. If there's more I can do for free speech
> and anonymity on Usenet, please let me know.
Big whoopee! I sure would never trust Mixmaster if you have anything to do
with them. I caution all users to reconsider if they really are anonymous.
>
> Whilst I dislike your trolling of Usenet groups and wild crossposting to
> fan your flamewars, I actually defend your right to do it as I mentioned
> in a recent posting. I prod your ego with a stick in alt.usenet.kooks
> simply because you don't like it; seems you aren't too fond of taking
> your own medicine.
Bullshit. That's totally laughable after you post accusing me of forging an
e-mail address when I did not forge it. It was not the same. It was a
froggery and not a forgery. I don't mind taking my own medicine but I don't
like liars making up things and then writing abuse complaints to my NSP that
are based on lies.
>
> Free speech and anonymity are fine principles for you to preach but the
> line is crossed when you impersonate other posters to the extent of
> forging abuse contact addresses, X-Trace headers and Paths. The fact
> you put a 'q' instead of a 'g' in the email address doesn't alter your
> intention to mislead one iota.
>
You are so self-absorbed. The real Sarah Ehrett had NO problems realizing it
was a froggery. She and her friends even laughed at the X-Alter-Ego: Ken (it
is said that Ken and Sarah are one and the same) header that I added to make
it very apparent. You totally lack any sort of a sense of humor. You're
unobservant and a netcop. Sad, very sad.
Let's examine your truncating the actual rule to make it appear that I
forged Sarah's e-mail address. You wrote:
> The fact
> you put a 'q' instead of a 'g' in the email address doesn't alter your
> intention to mislead one iota.
That's not the entire rule. You left half of it out to make your point which
is an invalid point provided you quote the entire rule. Here it is as quoted
by PJR: Message-ID: <slrnglk5c...@pjr.motzarella.org>
=========================================
Q: What is your policy on forgery?
A: We have a policy against a customer of Altopia making posts in a
way that uses the email address of another user on Usenet or the
Internet, in an attempt to deceive readers of the true identity of the
poster, without that email address owner's permission. In addition, if
you are the victim or witness to a forgery, you may want to contact
the appropriate law enforcement agency so they may then contact us and
follow-up as they feel appropriate.
==========================================
This is what I'm talking about: "uses the email address of another user
on Usenet or the Internet, in an attempt to deceive readers of the true
identity of the poster, . . ."
Particularly pay attention to the "uses the email address" part. Did I use
the email address of did you just THINK I used the email address? Face it,
you did not examine it closely enough and you jumped to conclusions. I will
admit my mistake coming up in saying you posted the policy without
permission. Can you be a man and admit your mistake for falsely accusing me
of forging Sarah's email address which, in turn caused an always rabid Ross
to send in an abuse complaint or, at the least, encourage others to do so?
> [snip]
>
>> The latest fiasco is Steve Crooked making up lies and calling me a forger
>> in
>> alt.usenet.kooks because he was so anxious to get me booted from my
>> present
>> NSP. He even posted a rule from my NSP's TOS/AUP that simply did not
>> apply.
>> (I wonder did he obtain permission to reproduce copyrighted material?)
>> It
>> was the rule about forging an e-mail address that belongs to somebody
>> else.
>
> Really? Please cite a Message-ID where I have quoted this policy.
My mistake, it was Peter J. Ross who quoted the policy when he replied to
your post calling me a forger.
"Not only does the good captain forge the identity of Sarah Ehrett, . . ."
Therefore I take back the following and offer you an apology for falsely
accusing you of it:
>> He even posted a rule from my NSP's TOS/AUP that simply did not apply.
>> (I wonder did he obtain permission to reproduce copyrighted material?)
>> It
>> was the rule about forging an e-mail address that belongs to somebody
>> else.
<snip to end> and re-instated original groups posted to.
--
Gregory Hall
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WindsorFox<[SS]>
> The Vindictive Free News Server Administrator
>
>
> This essay concerns itself mostly with Steven Crooked, admin of the mixmin
> free news server. It appears he is one sick, psychotic individual. He has
> now taken to stalking me, Gregory Hall, around Usenet and he posts to groups
> to which I subscribe in order to spread his brand of vindictiveness because
> of is desire for revenge. His goal - censorship and an outright banning of
> me from Usenet.
>
> First let's examine the definition of vindictive.
>
I almost stopped here, making the assumption you are a ko0k.
> vindictive \vin-dik-tiv\ adj 1 : disposed to revenge 2 : intended for or
> involving revenge 3 : vicious, spiteful vindictively adv, vindictiveness n
>
> Crooked is vindictive because "Gloria" (my one and only nym on mixmin)
This is where I actually stopped, deciding that in fact you a
probably a ko0k.
HAND
--
"Please go suck on some spotted dick." - shiksaa
WindsorFox<[SS]>
> I'll stop there as in true Gregory Hall tradition you'll now twist my
> words in order to present yourself as some kind of morally superior
> netizen whose intentions are only to help others and save puppies. Good
> luck with the a.u.k awards this month, I see you're nominated for even
> more than in previous months.
>
Well, it appears I decided and assumed correctly... :-P
VanguardLH
> Thus spake "Gregory Hall" <greg...@home.fake>
>
>> There is simply no other way Crooked could have
>> known that my motzarella nym, Wesley Mouch, and Gloria both had the same IP
>> number.
>
> Steve didn't know Wesley Mouch and Gloria used the same IP address and
> he didn't need to know, as his decision had nothing to do with your
> activities on Motzarella, just like your activities on Mixmin had
> nothing to do with the cancellation of your Motzarella account or the
> loss of your Databasix account.
>
> http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/rebelwithoutclue.htm
I didn't use the IP address, either, especially since it wasn't present
in posts through Motzarella. I have argued for making the Message-ID
unique to a poster's IP address by encoding it into the domain portion
as did AIOE but Ray wouldn't go for it since it isn't RFC compliant.
Wesley Mouch was already in my killfile, probably because the posts
under that moniker were similar to Greg Hall's posts: same garbage so
the same handling. To me, it doesn't matter if they are the same or
different person.
Thanks to Greg (and Ray's quoting of his post since Greg was already
killfiled), I also now know that Gloria is another of his nyms. Guess
Greg likes to stroke his, um, "ego" in public with his, um, sock puppet.
I don't even have to add Gloria to my killfile as:
- mail2news
- mixmin.net
- alt.net
in the Path header for all those trolls using remailers and Altopia are
already filtered out.
Note:
Sorry, Ray, but I'm not honoring your "Followup-To: alt.usenet.kooks"
header in my reply.
Some Guy
> The Vindictive Free News Server Administrator
>
>
> This essay concerns itself mostly with Steven Crooked, admin of the mixmin
> free news server. It appears he is one sick, psychotic individual. He has
> now taken to stalking me, Gregory Hall, around Usenet and he posts to groups
> to which I subscribe in order to spread his brand of vindictiveness because
> of is desire for revenge. His goal - censorship and an outright banning of
> me from Usenet.
>
> First let's examine the definition of vindictive.
[snip]
> --
> Gregory Hall
>
>
For this long rambling screed from Greg, one of many this month, I
hearby nominate Gregory Hall for the Unabomber Surprise award.
Seconds?
--
"No man is above the law."
(Raymond Karczewski)
"Without me, you yahoos only face the fact that you are nothing more
than a bunch of SATANIC reactionary DEADHEADS with no life of your own
and thus must ride the coattails of a living Christ."
(Raymond Karczewski)
"I EXIST BEYOND THOUGHT."
(Raymond Karczewski)
"I actually reported on brothels all around the world. Might've sampled
the wares, too. Can't remember."
(Atlas Bugged)
я黨wぃf
>
>"Steve" <st...@mixmin.net> wrote in message
>news:slrnglnf8h...@news.mixmin.net...
>> Free speech and anonymity are fine principles for you to preach but
the
>> line is crossed when you impersonate other posters to the extent of
>> forging abuse contact addresses, X-Trace headers and Paths. The
fact
>> you put a 'q' instead of a 'g' in the email address doesn't alter
your
>> intention to mislead one iota.
>>
>
>You are so self-absorbed.
Good thing my Irony Meter is just painted on...
:)
я黨wぃf
wrote<_IV6l.27909$wV2....@newsfe07.iad>:
> Gregory Hall wrote:
> > The Vindictive Free News Server Administrator
> >
> >
> > This essay concerns itself mostly with Steven Crooked, admin of the
mixmin
> > free news server. It appears he is one sick, psychotic individual.
He has
> > now taken to stalking me, Gregory Hall, around Usenet and he posts
to groups
> > to which I subscribe in order to spread his brand of vindictiveness
because
> > of is desire for revenge. His goal - censorship and an outright
banning of
> > me from Usenet.
> >
> > First let's examine the definition of vindictive.
>
> [snip]
>
> > --
> > Gregory Hall
> >
> >
>
> For this long rambling screed from Greg, one of many this month, I
> hearby nominate Gregory Hall for the Unabomber Surprise award.
>
> Seconds?
>
DONE!
And a well deserved nom it is...
Jeff▲Relf
I don't plonk. I read All replies to me,
direct and indirect, up to 5 levels away.
I keep a list of nyms to watch. All other nyms are “ Muffled ”
― where all but the 3 most-recent posts are maked as “ Já Read ”.
( In Brazil, “ Já ” means “ Already ” )
Muffled nyms are XRanked ( like Google's PageRank ),
bumping up those who we** reply to. ( **: the Watched nyms and I )
When viewing|listing only “ UnRead ” posts I still see
the “ Heritage ” ― e.g. the parent post ― like this:
“ JeffRelf.F-M.FM/Heritage.PNG ”.
X.EXE places all articles in one big text file,
with articles grouped by author, after the list of replies to me.
I use Visual Studio 2008 Standard Edition ( Visual C++ 9, 508 dollars )
to navigate|read|edit this text file; for example,
I've a “ Visual Studio Macro ” to mark a post as “ Já Read ”.
X.EXE and its settings/help file, X.TXT, are at:
“ JeffRelf.F-M.FM/X.ZIP ”.
There's no installer; i.e. it's “ Stand Alone ”.
Gregory Hall
>
>> There is simply no other way Crooked could have
>> known that my motzarella nym, Wesley Mouch, and Gloria both had the same
>> IP
>> number.
>
> Steve didn't know Wesley Mouch and Gloria used the same IP address and
> he didn't need to know, as his decision had nothing to do with your
> activities on Motzarella, just like your activities on Mixmin had
> nothing to do with the cancellation of your Motzarella account or the
> loss of your Databasix account.
>
That doesn't hold water and you know it. Stop with the lies already. Crooked
had full knowledge of Gloria's IP number only. He had no way on his own of
knowing Wesley Mouch's IP number and the only way he could find it out was
from you because Wesley Mouch only posted from motzarella.
It was common knowledge at the time that Wesley Mouch = Gregory Hall. I made
no secret of it. Gregory Hall's IP number doesn't appear publicly as Altopia
doesn't show it in headers from that server.
The fact that Crooked immediately and confidently posted to Gregory Hall
bragging about just having blocked Gloria tells me he knew darned well that
Wesley Mouch (whose IP number he could not know unless clued in by somebody
who did know) and Gloria (whose IP number he did know since she posted using
his server) shared the same IP number therefore Gloria = Greg.
Two unethical NSP admins. There is no other reasonable or logical
explanation. You can twist and you can turn but the truth holds you both
captive for the world to see.
And it wasn't me who pointed it out for the first time. It was somebody
else's post that brought it to my attention. The more I thought about it the
more I realized the point he made was a valid one.
--
Gregory Hall
Gregory Hall
"§ńühw¤Łf" <snuh...@netscape.net> wrote in message
news:QsKdnbkSu4mTp8HU...@centurytel.net...
Have you ever even bothered to learn the meaning of irony?
iro.ny \"ď-r?-nČ\ n, pl -nies [L ironia, fr. Gk eirÖnia, fr. eirÖn
dissembler] 1 : the use of words to express the opposite of what one really
means 2 : incongruity between the actual result of a sequence of events and
the expected result
It's clear you AUKers all delight in using the irony meter lame but none of
you realize you are using the wrong word.
You should be calling it a hypocrisy or PKB meter instead. Duh!
--
Gregory Hall
Steve
Message-Id: <2ffi8e....@news.alt.net>:
> It was common knowledge at the time that Wesley Mouch = Gregory Hall. I made
> no secret of it. Gregory Hall's IP number doesn't appear publicly as Altopia
> doesn't show it in headers from that server.
If it's common knowledge, why do you keep having conversations between
your socks? It doesn't fool anyone and it earns you kook awards which,
(judging by your acceptance speeches) you find infuriating.
> The fact that Crooked immediately and confidently posted to Gregory Hall
> bragging about just having blocked Gloria
There you go again, twisting other peoples' statements. Can you cite a
single source where I brag about banning Gloria/Gregory/Wesley/etc?
> Two unethical NSP admins. There is no other reasonable or logical
> explanation. You can twist and you can turn but the truth holds you both
> captive for the world to see.
Your truths? You forge identities and switch between socks like a
schizophrenic with a case of poison ivy. When you speak the truth you
probably do it by mistake. :)
§ñühw¤£f
I think I'll just call you "pWn3y".
Since yer so pwn3d.
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Aratzio
alt.free.newsservers, §ñühw¤£f <snuh...@yahoo.com> got double secret
probation for writing:
>Gregory Hall wrote:
>> "§ñühw¤£f" <snuh...@netscape.net> wrote in message
>> news:QsKdnbkSu4mTp8HU...@centurytel.net...
>>> Gregory Hall <greg...@home.fake> wrote<2fd715....@news.alt.net>:
>>>
>>>> "Steve" <st...@mixmin.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:slrnglnf8h...@news.mixmin.net...
>>>>> Free speech and anonymity are fine principles for you to preach but
>>> the
>>>>> line is crossed when you impersonate other posters to the extent of
>>>>> forging abuse contact addresses, X-Trace headers and Paths. The
>>> fact
>>>>> you put a 'q' instead of a 'g' in the email address doesn't alter
>>> your
>>>>> intention to mislead one iota.
>>>>>
>>>> You are so self-absorbed.
>>> Good thing my Irony Meter is just painted on...
>>>
>>> :)
>>
>> Have you ever even bothered to learn the meaning of irony?
>>
>> iro.ny \"ï-r?-nÈ\ n, pl -nies [L ironia, fr. Gk eirÖnia, fr. eirÖn
>> dissembler] 1 : the use of words to express the opposite of what one really
>> means 2 : incongruity between the actual result of a sequence of events and
>> the expected result
>>
>> It's clear you AUKers all delight in using the irony meter lame but none of
>> you realize you are using the wrong word.
>>
>> You should be calling it a hypocrisy or PKB meter instead. Duh!
>>
>
>I think I'll just call you "pWn3y".
>Since yer so pwn3d.
Spooge and I just call him "fucking idiot"
spooge
news:i6oql4d345lfjred1...@4ax.com:
He answers to it, too.
--
I'm a romantic adventure
And I'm a reptile, too
Aratzio
alt.free.newsservers, spooge <mails...@usa.com> got double secret
probation for writing:
>Aratzio <a6ah...@sneakemail.com> wrote in
>news:i6oql4d345lfjred1...@4ax.com:
>
>> On Thu, 01 Jan 2009 17:19:58 -0700, in the land of
>> alt.free.newsservers, §ńühw¤Łf <snuh...@yahoo.com> got double secret
>> probation for writing:
>>
>>>Gregory Hall wrote:
>>>> "§ńühw¤Łf" <snuh...@netscape.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:QsKdnbkSu4mTp8HU...@centurytel.net...
>>>>> Gregory Hall <greg...@home.fake>
>>>>> wrote<2fd715....@news.alt.net>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> "Steve" <st...@mixmin.net> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:slrnglnf8h...@news.mixmin.net...
>>>>>>> Free speech and anonymity are fine principles for you to preach
>>>>>>> but
>>>>> the
>>>>>>> line is crossed when you impersonate other posters to the extent
>>>>>>> of forging abuse contact addresses, X-Trace headers and Paths.
>>>>>>> The
>>>>> fact
>>>>>>> you put a 'q' instead of a 'g' in the email address doesn't alter
>>>>> your
>>>>>>> intention to mislead one iota.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> You are so self-absorbed.
>>>>> Good thing my Irony Meter is just painted on...
>>>>>
>>>>> :)
>>>>
>>>> Have you ever even bothered to learn the meaning of irony?
>>>>
>>>> iro.ny \"ď-r?-nČ\ n, pl -nies [L ironia, fr. Gk eirÖnia, fr. eirÖn
>>>> dissembler] 1 : the use of words to express the opposite of what one
>>>> really means 2 : incongruity between the actual result of a sequence
>>>> of events and the expected result
>>>>
>>>> It's clear you AUKers all delight in using the irony meter lame but
>>>> none of you realize you are using the wrong word.
>>>>
>>>> You should be calling it a hypocrisy or PKB meter instead. Duh!
>>>>
>>>
>>>I think I'll just call you "pWn3y".
>>>Since yer so pwn3d.
>>
>> Spooge and I just call him "fucking idiot"
>
>He answers to it, too.
He would be a fucking moron if he didn't
§ñühw¤£f
> On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 02:42:35 +0000 (UTC), in the land of
> alt.free.newsservers, spooge <mails...@usa.com> got double secret
> probation for writing:
>
>> Aratzio <a6ah...@sneakemail.com> wrote in
>> news:i6oql4d345lfjred1...@4ax.com:
>>
>>> On Thu, 01 Jan 2009 17:19:58 -0700, in the land of
>>> probation for writing:
>>>
>>>> Gregory Hall wrote:
>>>>>> Gregory Hall <greg...@home.fake>
>>>>>> wrote<2fd715....@news.alt.net>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Steve" <st...@mixmin.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:slrnglnf8h...@news.mixmin.net...
>>>>>>>> Free speech and anonymity are fine principles for you to preach
>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> line is crossed when you impersonate other posters to the extent
>>>>>>>> of forging abuse contact addresses, X-Trace headers and Paths.
>>>>>>>> The
>>>>>> fact
>>>>>>>> you put a 'q' instead of a 'g' in the email address doesn't alter
>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>> intention to mislead one iota.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You are so self-absorbed.
>>>>>> Good thing my Irony Meter is just painted on...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> :)
>>>>> Have you ever even bothered to learn the meaning of irony?
>>>>>
>>>>> really means 2 : incongruity between the actual result of a sequence
>>>>> of events and the expected result
>>>>>
>>>>> It's clear you AUKers all delight in using the irony meter lame but
>>>>> none of you realize you are using the wrong word.
>>>>>
>>>>> You should be calling it a hypocrisy or PKB meter instead. Duh!
>>>>>
>>>> I think I'll just call you "pWn3y".
>>>> Since yer so pwn3d.
>>> Spooge and I just call him "fucking idiot"
>> He answers to it, too.
>
> He would be a fucking moron if he didn't
Its snowing like hell.
Just thot I'd mention that.
Motherfucking snow...now I'll have to blow it...too many fucking
vehicles...folks bought a new caddy & didnt use a trade-in...so now we
have two trucks sitting in the driveway.
Buggah.
Wanna buy a truck?
Thot not...
Aratzio
§ńühw¤Łf <snuh...@yahoo.com> got double secret probation for writing:
>Aratzio wrote:
>> On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 02:42:35 +0000 (UTC), in the land of
>> alt.free.newsservers, spooge <mails...@usa.com> got double secret
>> probation for writing:
>>
>>> Aratzio <a6ah...@sneakemail.com> wrote in
>>> news:i6oql4d345lfjred1...@4ax.com:
>>>
>>>> On Thu, 01 Jan 2009 17:19:58 -0700, in the land of
>>>> alt.free.newsservers, §ńühw¤Łf <snuh...@yahoo.com> got double secret
>>>> probation for writing:
>>>>
>>>>> Gregory Hall wrote:
>>>>>> "§ńühw¤Łf" <snuh...@netscape.net> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:QsKdnbkSu4mTp8HU...@centurytel.net...
>>>>>>> Gregory Hall <greg...@home.fake>
>>>>>>> wrote<2fd715....@news.alt.net>:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Steve" <st...@mixmin.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:slrnglnf8h...@news.mixmin.net...
>>>>>>>>> Free speech and anonymity are fine principles for you to preach
>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> line is crossed when you impersonate other posters to the extent
>>>>>>>>> of forging abuse contact addresses, X-Trace headers and Paths.
>>>>>>>>> The
>>>>>>> fact
>>>>>>>>> you put a 'q' instead of a 'g' in the email address doesn't alter
>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>> intention to mislead one iota.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You are so self-absorbed.
>>>>>>> Good thing my Irony Meter is just painted on...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> :)
>>>>>> Have you ever even bothered to learn the meaning of irony?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> iro.ny \"ď-r?-nČ\ n, pl -nies [L ironia, fr. Gk eirÖnia, fr. eirÖn
>>>>>> dissembler] 1 : the use of words to express the opposite of what one
>>>>>> really means 2 : incongruity between the actual result of a sequence
>>>>>> of events and the expected result
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's clear you AUKers all delight in using the irony meter lame but
>>>>>> none of you realize you are using the wrong word.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You should be calling it a hypocrisy or PKB meter instead. Duh!
>>>>>>
>>>>> I think I'll just call you "pWn3y".
>>>>> Since yer so pwn3d.
>>>> Spooge and I just call him "fucking idiot"
>>> He answers to it, too.
>>
>> He would be a fucking moron if he didn't
>
>Its snowing like hell.
>Just thot I'd mention that.
>Motherfucking snow...now I'll have to blow it...too many fucking
>vehicles...folks bought a new caddy & didnt use a trade-in...so now we
>have two trucks sitting in the driveway.
>Buggah.
>Wanna buy a truck?
>Thot not...
I own one. I also live where it does not snow. Which does not mean I
didn't live in Bozeman 58-60. Or Denver 74-75. Or Upper Michigan
75-80.
Not that I had a choice in any of those 3.
Sarah Ehrett
wrote:
:>"Steve" <st...@mixmin.net> wrote in message
:>news:slrnglnf8h...@news.mixmin.net...
:>> Whilst I dislike your trolling of Usenet groups and wild crossposting to
:>> fan your flamewars, I actually defend your right to do it as I mentioned
:>> in a recent posting. I prod your ego with a stick in alt.usenet.kooks
:>> simply because you don't like it; seems you aren't too fond of taking
:>> your own medicine.
:>
:>Bullshit. That's totally laughable after you post accusing me of forging an
:>e-mail address when I did not forge it. It was not the same. It was a
:>froggery and not a forgery. I don't mind taking my own medicine but I don't
:>like liars making up things and then writing abuse complaints to my NSP that
:>are based on lies.
:>
:>>
:>> Free speech and anonymity are fine principles for you to preach but the
:>> line is crossed when you impersonate other posters to the extent of
:>> forging abuse contact addresses, X-Trace headers and Paths. The fact
:>> you put a 'q' instead of a 'g' in the email address doesn't alter your
:>> intention to mislead one iota.
:>>
:>
:>You are so self-absorbed. The real Sarah Ehrett had NO problems realizing it
:>was a froggery. She and her friends even laughed at the X-Alter-Ego: Ken (it
:>is said that Ken and Sarah are one and the same) header that I added to make
:>it very apparent. You totally lack any sort of a sense of humor. You're
:>unobservant and a netcop. Sad, very sad.
For the record: The only thing I found to laughable Gregory was your
remarkable naďveté and incredible stupidity to think I wouldn't object to
your childish shenanigans.
Sarah Ehrett
wrote:
:>My froggery was done with a noble purpose - to attempt to end a five year long flame war
:>where a 70-year-old woman was the victim. And, it seems to be working, at
:>least for now.
Pity the cessation of hostilities had nothing whatsoever to do with you and
your efforts.
Gregory Hall
"Sarah Ehrett" <nine...@cox.net> wrote in message
news:ufqsl4l6kijujarmm...@4ax.com...
Admit it, Sarah, you were shamed into it. It's really despicable that you
and about four others spent so much time ganging up on a 70-year-old woman.
What's the matter with you. I guess you just enjoy being a bully. Shame on
you!
--
Gregory Hall
§ñühw¤£f
> On Fri, 02 Jan 2009 08:38:21 -0700, in the land of alt.usenet.kooks,
>
>> Aratzio wrote:
>>> On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 02:42:35 +0000 (UTC), in the land of
>>> alt.free.newsservers, spooge <mails...@usa.com> got double secret
>>> probation for writing:
>>>
>>>> Aratzio <a6ah...@sneakemail.com> wrote in
>>>> news:i6oql4d345lfjred1...@4ax.com:
>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, 01 Jan 2009 17:19:58 -0700, in the land of
>>>>> probation for writing:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Gregory Hall wrote:
>>>>>>>> Gregory Hall <greg...@home.fake>
>>>>>>>> wrote<2fd715....@news.alt.net>:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Steve" <st...@mixmin.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> news:slrnglnf8h...@news.mixmin.net...
>>>>>>>>>> Free speech and anonymity are fine principles for you to preach
>>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> line is crossed when you impersonate other posters to the extent
>>>>>>>>>> of forging abuse contact addresses, X-Trace headers and Paths.
>>>>>>>>>> The
>>>>>>>> fact
>>>>>>>>>> you put a 'q' instead of a 'g' in the email address doesn't alter
>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>>> intention to mislead one iota.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You are so self-absorbed.
>>>>>>>> Good thing my Irony Meter is just painted on...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> :)
>>>>>>> Have you ever even bothered to learn the meaning of irony?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> really means 2 : incongruity between the actual result of a sequence
>>>>>>> of events and the expected result
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's clear you AUKers all delight in using the irony meter lame but
>>>>>>> none of you realize you are using the wrong word.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You should be calling it a hypocrisy or PKB meter instead. Duh!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think I'll just call you "pWn3y".
>>>>>> Since yer so pwn3d.
>>>>> Spooge and I just call him "fucking idiot"
>>>> He answers to it, too.
>>> He would be a fucking moron if he didn't
>> Its snowing like hell.
>> Just thot I'd mention that.
>> Motherfucking snow...now I'll have to blow it...too many fucking
>> vehicles...folks bought a new caddy & didnt use a trade-in...so now we
>> have two trucks sitting in the driveway.
>> Buggah.
>> Wanna buy a truck?
>> Thot not...
>
> I own one. I also live where it does not snow. Which does not mean I
> didn't live in Bozeman 58-60.
I havent been down to Bozeman yet.
> Or Denver 74-75. Or Upper Michigan
> 75-80.
>
> Not that I had a choice in any of those 3.
So you know the "joys" of the snow shovel :)
Gregory Hall
Object all you want. That is your right. If a baby wants to cry they let it
cry. It will get over it soon enough.
--
Gregory Hall
Aratzio
And of a big assed Oshkosh Snow Plow. One of the great extra duties in
the USAF was when you were p9icked for Snow Plow duty. Since I started
driving heavy equipment at 16 it was mine if I wanted it.
Blowing down the runway in a conga line of snow plows is a fucking
hoot. Didn't hurt that once the runways/taxiways were clear we did the
base roads and then headed out on the county roads so people could get
onto the base.
My driveway was easy to clear. My car was on the base and the driveway
was a U. Drive in, drive out piss off the neighbors (it was usually
like 3-4 AM) and not do theirs.
Sarah Ehrett
wrote:
:>
:>"Sarah Ehrett" <nine...@cox.net> wrote in message
Bullying? In antu? How dreadful. <smirk>
Sarah Ehrett
wrote:
:>
:>"Sarah Ehrett" <nine...@cox.net> wrote in message
I'm not the one crying because I'm getting bounced for abuse from one ISP
to the next. Altopia your last resort ? Even they are aware of your
nonsense.
Tilt at more windmills, Don Quixote.
SneakyP
news:_IV6l.27909$wV2....@newsfe07.iad:
> Gregory Hall wrote:
>> The Vindictive Free News Server Administrator
>>
>>
>> This essay concerns itself mostly with Steven Crooked, admin of the
>> mixmin free news server. It appears he is one sick, psychotic
>> individual. He has now taken to stalking me, Gregory Hall, around
>> Usenet and he posts to groups to which I subscribe in order to spread
>> his brand of vindictiveness because of is desire for revenge. His
>> goal - censorship and an outright banning of me from Usenet.
>>
>> First let's examine the definition of vindictive.
>
> [snip]
>
>> --
>> Gregory Hall
>>
>>
>
> For this long rambling screed from Greg, one of many this month, I
> hearby nominate Gregory Hall for the Unabomber Surprise award.
>
> Seconds?
>
Jessness somehow managed to genetically mutate into this?
He was *better the other way.
*-(that should tell him how people see him)
--
SneakyP
To reply: newsgroup only, what's posted in ng stays in ng.
Some choose to swim in the potty bowl of nan-ae rather than flush it
down :0)
я黨wぃf
of<a2atl49j6e95v8r2g...@4ax.com>:
Bury those mailboxes!
>Blowing down the runway in a conga line of snow plows is a fucking
>hoot. Didn't hurt that once the runways/taxiways were clear we did the
>base roads and then headed out on the county roads so people could get
>onto the base.
>
Sounds like a cake job.
>My driveway was easy to clear. My car was on the base and the driveway
>was a U. Drive in, drive out piss off the neighbors (it was usually
>like 3-4 AM) and not do theirs.
>
How non neighboorly of ya :)
I gotta figger out how to get the snow off of a shelter made of tubing
and tarps without having the fucker collapse...its leaning already.
Some Guy
Look, new .sig material.
--
"I assure you, I AM NO LAUGHING MATTER TO THE STATE OF OREGON AND COUNTY
OF JOSEPHINE."
(Raymond Karczewski)
"He who laughs last, laughs loudest! I already feel the giggles coming on."
(Raymond Karczewski)
"So who is better equiped to talk about paranoia but paranoids
themselves? Hell, isn't it?"
(Raymond Karczewski)
"Killing a retarded family member is simply a retroactive abortion."
(Gunner)
Peter J Ross
Gregory Hall <greg...@home.fake> wrote:
<...>
> The latest fiasco is Steve Crooked making up lies and calling me a
> forger in alt.usenet.kooks
It isn't a lie to call you a forger, forger.
> because he was so anxious to get me booted from my present NSP.
It's more likely that he just wanted you to stop forging.
> He even posted a rule from my NSP's TOS/AUP
No, I did that.
> that simply did not apply.
Didn't it?
===[begin_verbatim_text]==============================================
Q: What is your policy on forgery?
A: We have a policy against a customer of Altopia making posts in a
way that uses the email address of another user on Usenet or the
Internet, in an attempt to deceive readers of the true identity of the
poster, without that email address owner's permission. In addition, if
you are the victim or witness to a forgery, you may want to contact
the appropriate law enforcement agency so they may then contact us and
follow-up as they feel appropriate.
===[end_verbatim_text]================================================
<https://www.altopia.com/polfaq.html>
Did you have the permission of the owner of the mailbox <ninety7qt AT
cox DOT net>?
This is also relevant:
===[begin_verbatim_text]==============================================
Q: What is your policy on headers referencing sites without
permission? (Added July 27th, 2008.)
A: We have a policy against a customer of Altopia adjusting the
headers of a post so that it uses a registered Internet domain without
the domain owner's permission, in an attempt to deceive readers of the
true source of the post.
===[end_verbatim_text]================================================
You used a registered Internet domain (cox.net) without the domain
owner's permission, and your purpose was to give the impression that
somebody other than you you was the source of the post.
<...>
> Crooked was too stupid to notice where I had replaced a 'g' in the
> address with a 'q' therefore rendering it a 'froggery' instead of a
> 'forgery.'
There's neither a "g" nor a "q" in "cox.net", the domain you forged.
> In his vindictive haste, Crooked accused me in public of forging - a
> serious and bootable offense - when I had done nothing of the sort.
Are you claiming to own cox.net?
> My froggery was done with a noble purpose
You wouldn't recognise a noble purpose if one crawled up your trousers
and played a drum solo on your balls.
<...>
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Gregory Hall
"Peter J Ross" <p...@example.invalid> wrote in message
news:slrngm7h8...@pjr.motzarella.org...
Hey, stupid. Read it again. This time wear your eyeglasses you old fart.
Forging is defined as using the identical email addy. Frogging is using a q
instead of the g used in the original addy.
Read the rule with understanding. It contains three (3) clauses.
1) that uses the email address of another user on Usenet
2) in an attempt to deceive readers of the true identity of the poster,
3) without that email address owner's permission
Three conditions and nary an and/or among them. That means all three must
apply.
Can you prove that there is another user on Usenet using the email addy I
used?
Can you also prove I did it in an attempt to deceive readers of my true
identity?
Can you prove I did not have permission from the owner if there is any such
owner?
No, no and no! This means you are a stupid-assed netKKKop. Plain and simple.
>
> This is also relevant:
>
> ===[begin_verbatim_text]==============================================
> Q: What is your policy on headers referencing sites without
> permission? (Added July 27th, 2008.)
> A: We have a policy against a customer of Altopia adjusting the
> headers of a post so that it uses a registered Internet domain without
> the domain owner's permission, in an attempt to deceive readers of the
> true source of the post.
> ===[end_verbatim_text]================================================
>
> You used a registered Internet domain (cox.net) without the domain
> owner's permission, and your purpose was to give the impression that
> somebody other than you you was the source of the post.
>
Again you lose, netKKKop.
"in an attempt to deceive readers of the true source of the post."
Can you prove that was my intention? If it were would I have added an extra
header like
X-Alter-Ego Ken? Get a clue netKKKop and mind your own business you stupid
fuck.
>
>> Crooked was too stupid to notice where I had replaced a 'g' in the
>> address with a 'q' therefore rendering it a 'froggery' instead of a
>> 'forgery.'
>
> There's neither a "g" nor a "q" in "cox.net", the domain you forged.
Again you are piecemealing the rule. The rule cannot be piecemealed. Stupid
fuck again!
>
>> In his vindictive haste, Crooked accused me in public of forging - a
>> serious and bootable offense - when I had done nothing of the sort.
>
> Are you claiming to own cox.net?
>
>> My froggery was done with a noble purpose
>
> You wouldn't recognise a noble purpose if one crawled up your trousers
> and played a drum solo on your balls.
And you wouldn't recognize "mind your own fucking business" if somebody
slapped your ugly face.
Now, bugger off, asshole!
--
Gregory Hall
Jeff▲Relf
so I'll side with you on this one, Pete.
By not using a never-valid T.L.D. ( like “ .Invalid ” or “ .Test ” )
Greg violated Altopia.COM's policy.
Gregory Hall
"Jeff?Relf" <Jeff...@Seattle.Test> wrote in message
news:Jeff...@Seattle.2009_Jan.6|2.17pm|f...
Oh, jees, don't get the idiot started. There is no registered domain using
.fake. Try anything.
Try:
www.google.fake
www.altopia.fake
www.yahoo.fake
www.ross.fake
www.mail.fake
Anything you can think of and you will get a return like this:
http://guide.opendns.com/?url=www.ross.fake
Try to register a domain with a TLD of fake. Bet you can't.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Internet_TLDs
Now, Jeff, I know you aren't that stupid and were doing a little sarcastic
take on the Ross netKKKop but maybe the netKKKop can learn from this post.
Nah, never mind. He's clueless and a putz. Never learned how to mind his own
business. Somebody will give him a good stomping one of these days because
he's probably a condo commando or some such in real life. Either that or
he's a coward in real life who acts out on Usenet.
--
Gregory Hall
Steve
On Tue, 6 Jan 2009 16:31:01 -0500, Gregory Hall wrote in
Message-Id: <2ft83n....@news.alt.net>:
> Again you are piecemealing the rule. The rule cannot be piecemealed. Stupid
> fuck again!
Such gratuitous usage of 'fuck' should be reserved for serious screenplays.
Good night, good luck, win awards. (You will)
Peter J Ross
Gregory Hall <greg...@home.fake> wrote:
You forged the email address of somebody who hadn't even pointed and
laughed at you.
How pathetic.
> Read the rule with understanding. It contains three (3) clauses.
>
> 1) that uses the email address of another user on Usenet
> 2) in an attempt to deceive readers of the true identity of the poster,
> 3) without that email address owner's permission
>
> Three conditions and nary an and/or among them. That means all three must
> apply.
All three of them apply.
> Can you prove that there is another user on Usenet using the email addy I
> used?
If you used foo...@pjr.lasnobberia.net, you'd be a forger.
> Can you also prove I did it in an attempt to deceive readers of my true
> identity?
Tee hee. Sure, you have only one True Identity, sockboi.
> Can you prove I did not have permission from the owner if there is any such
> owner?
*giggle* cox.net has no owner???
> No, no and no! This means you are a stupid-assed netKKKop. Plain and simple.
You're fun. I've been saying for *months* that you ought to post to
NAN-AU. At last, you've taken my advice.
<snip a few more whines>
Peter J Ross
Gregory Hall <greg...@home.fake> wrote:
Hi, Greg!
Your application to be the Official Obsessed Sucker of my Dick is
hereby rejected.
Sorry.
Cujo DeSockpuppet
Has Greggie's hollowed cranium been zoned for rent-free living yet?
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Memorial Dog Whistle - 12/2005 & 4/2008. COOSN-266-06-01895.
"I WILL GO IN PERSON AND TAKE ALL LEGAL, ETHICAL, AND MATERIAL ACTION I
CAN" -Edmo finally right, but not in the way he expected ....
Jeff▲Relf
that's a violation Altopia.COM's policy.
When inventing userNames like that, so-callled “ Frogging ”,
one must use a never-valid T.L.D. ( like “ .Invalid ” or “ .Test ” ).
P.S. I could've gone all day without you mentioning★ your
“ Official Obsessed Sucker of my Dick ”.
( ★: news:slrngm7v0...@pjr.motzarella.org )
Marc Bissonnette
This is what they screamed on the way down:
news:2ft83n....@news.alt.net:
Oh for heaven's sake: You sound like a lawyer defending someone he
*knows* is in the wrong, yet trying to get him off not due to innocence,
but a technicality. As any reader of daily news knows, the public
*despises* this.
Froggery or forgery - it's all the same thing: You don't own the address.
Furthermore, deliberately taking advantage of the similarity of common
system-default fonts and using a 'q' intead of a 'g' is deliberate mis-
representation.
The use of an additional header is something only a geek would do because
a geek would know that only other geeks would even think to *look* at
full headers.
When one takes a look at the instructions to juries - One knows that
while they aren't tasked with the full and technical understanding of the
law, they are tasked with interpreting is as the 'common person' would.
A quick glance at most Usenet articles in most readers - dedicated or web
- shows four headers: From:, Group:, Subject:, Date.
Your x-header argument holds no water.
Using a frogged email address holds no water but to the slimiest of
lawyers on the world who get people off on charges due to technicalities.
Be an adult and own up to your silliness: All you are doing is making
yourself look shallower and shallower by the moment.
Even when I read your initial complaint at first, my first reaction was
that you were the victim of heavy-handedness - Now that the history and
the facts come out, however, it looks like you are getting what you
deserve.
[snip]
--
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Largest ISP comparison site across Canada.
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MartinS
> Gregory Hall <greg...@home.fake> wrote:
<Snip usual unintelligible drivel>
> Hi, Greg!
>
> Your application to be the Official Obsessed Sucker of my Dick is
> hereby rejected.
>
> Sorry.
Tell you what, why don't we all killfile GH and JR and let them fight it
out between themselves?
--
Martin S.
Peter J Ross
MartinS <m...@my.place> wrote:
If we killfile them, how can we laugh at them?
I suggest increasing NSR's repertoire of Subject tags by adding "GH"
to "AC" and "JR".
Archie Leach
Jesus Christ, have some dignity. You just got t0rlled by Jeff_?_
freaking Relf_?. That's Pierre Salinger HL&S worthy right there.
Sharon
>
> Tell you what, why don't we all killfile GH and JR and let them fight it
> out between themselves?
How about if we all just killfile YOU, until you stop being an
intolerable douchebag? Forever, in other words.
MartinS
> MartinS <m...@my.place> wrote:
>> Peter J Ross <p...@example.invalid> wrote:
>>> Gregory Hall <greg...@home.fake> wrote:
>>>> "Jeff?Relf" <Jeff...@Seattle.Test> wrote...
>>
>> <Snip usual unintelligible drivel>
>>
>>> Hi, Greg!
>>>
>>> Your application to be the Official Obsessed Sucker of my Dick is
>>> hereby rejected.
>>>
>>> Sorry.
>>
>> Tell you what, why don't we all killfile GH and JR and let them fight
>> it out between themselves?
>
> If we killfile them, how can we laugh at them?
I don't find them the least bit funny.
--
Martin S.
MartinS
Go ahead. See if I care, "Sharon".
--
Martin S.
chuckcar
news:MPG.23ce51edb...@127.0.0.1:
Or better yet stop crossposting your crap here.
--
(setq (chuck nil) car(chuck) )
Gregory Hall
"chuckcar" <ch...@nil.car> wrote in message
news:Xns9B8CBF2D3D...@127.0.0.1...
Where's 'here?' Canaduh?
--
Gregory Hall
Aratzio
alt.free.newsservers, MartinS <m...@my.place> got double secret
probation for writing:
>Sharon <sha...@indoor.greenhouse> wrote:
<turns handle>
Sharon
Peter J Ross
Aratzio <a6ah...@sneakemail.com> wrote:
<makes popcorn>