Eternal-Sept. is Missing A Lot Of Posts Today
Jack
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Ray Banana
> Two examples:
There is a sporge flood emanating from Highwinds today.
Postings from Highwinds are currently filtered on
Eternal-September.org.
--
Too many ingredients in the soup, no room for a spoon
http://www.eternal-september.org
Harry Harris
news:87eio1f...@feeder.eternal-september.org...
> On 5919 September 1993, Jack wrote:
>
>> Two examples:
>
> There is a sporge flood emanating from Highwinds today.
> Postings from Highwinds are currently filtered on
> Eternal-September.org.
Highwinds??? I wonder who the hell that could be?
Harry Harris
Gregory Hall
news:NQALm.16938$ET3....@newsfe17.iad...
Ha ha, good one, Harry. And that idiot BananaBoi won't see your post because
he censored Highwinds. None of his subscribers will see it either. Isn't it
grand how easy it is to reach out and touch any and all E.S., aka
Motzarella, lame brained subscribers?
--
Gregory Hall
One should view free news servers as one would view
a carnival sideshow.
Like a carnival sideshow free servers arrive in town every
so often accompanied by some grifter hawking suspect
wares and swindling gullible people, if not out of their money
then their time and patience.
The carnival geek represents the free news server admin.
The fat lady represents the size of his bloated ego. The
clowns represent the usual laughable TOS. The sword
swallower demonstrates what happens to a subscriber
at the other end of the alimentary canal.
Like the toss the ring at the Coke bottle game, free news
servers are rigged against the user and are a cheat and
a swindle.
VanguardLH
> Ray Banana wrote ...
>
>> There is a sporge flood emanating from Highwinds today.
>> Postings from Highwinds are currently filtered on
>> Eternal-September.org.
>
> Highwinds??? I wonder who the hell that could be?
There are lots of NNTP providers that use Highwinds as their real NNTP
provider. You buy newsgroups service from a service reseller (the
front-end provier) who uses Highwinds as their real NNTP service. That
is, you buy the front-end service while they use Highwinds as the Usenet
backend provider. Some of the front-end Usenet providers that use
Highwinds are: EasyNews, teranews, newshosting.com, usenet.com, and
usenetserver. Some ISPs that use Highwinds to provide their newsgroups
service are: RoadRunner (until they dropped newsgroups service
altogether), Virgin Media, and Cox.
From http://www.newsgroupservers.net/:
"Usenetserver.com and Newshosting.com are the flagship end-user brands
for Highwinds Corporation. HW has been the Pacman of the Usenet
industry, gobbling up many of the smaller independent newsgroup server
firms. They kept many of the individual server farms and use them
forthe resellers, typically with less peering and retention than they
offer for their flagship brands. They have servers in both the US and
Europe."
The above site lists a whole slew of front-end Usenet providers or ISPs
(27 in their list) that use worldwide distribution of data centers of
Highwinds as their Usenet backbone.
Compared to Highwinds, Eternal-September (nee Motzarella), Albasani,
AIOE, and individual.net even all together are tiny.
Ray Banana
> Compared to Highwinds, Eternal-September (nee Motzarella), Albasani,
> AIOE, and individual.net even all together are tiny.
By what criteria? Looking at yesterday's logs, ES and NIN *each*
yield twice as many postings to *text* groups as all Highwinds customers
combined and I'm not sure about AIOE and Albasani. I concede that binary
groups are a different story, though.
Alexander Bartolich
> On 5919 September 1993, VanguardLH wrote:
>
>> Compared to Highwinds, Eternal-September (nee Motzarella), Albasani,
>> AIOE, and individual.net even all together are tiny.
>
> By what criteria? Looking at yesterday's logs, ES and NIN *each*
> yield twice as many postings to *text* groups as all Highwinds customers
> combined and I'm not sure about AIOE and Albasani. I concede that binary
> groups are a different story, though.
Number of posts sent by users of albasani, according to log files:
Month | Posts
---------+--------
2008/08 | 23509
2008/09 | 26887
2008/10 | 22887
2008/11 | 25568
2008/12 | 27581
---------+--------
2009/01 | 37682
2009/02 | 30075
2009/03 | 29457
2009/04 | 28345
2009/05 | 29881
2009/06 | 29019
2009/07 | 33958
2009/08 | 31247
2009/09 | 30615
2009/10 | 30742
---------+--------
Traffic not included in above numbers:
- submissions to moderated groups (sent via SMTP)
- posts to de.admin.net-abuse.announce (sent via rnews)
Ciao
Alexander.
Aioe
> Month | Posts
> ---------+--------
> 2008/08 | 23509
> 2008/09 | 26887
> 2008/10 | 22887
> 2008/11 | 25568
> 2008/12 | 27581
> ---------+--------
> 2009/01 | 37682
> 2009/02 | 30075
> 2009/03 | 29457
> 2009/04 | 28345
> 2009/05 | 29881
> 2009/06 | 29019
> 2009/07 | 33958
> 2009/08 | 31247
> 2009/09 | 30615
> 2009/10 | 30742
> ---------+--------
my data:
2009/01 | 5868
2009/02 | 21211
2009/03 | 27077
2009/04 | 30005
2009/05 | 30224
2009/06 | 32860
2009/07 | 37562
2009/08 | 35726
2009/09 | 41199
2009/10 | 40526
2009/11 | 17900
Junior
> On 5919 September 1993, VanguardLH wrote:
>
>> Compared to Highwinds, Eternal-September (nee Motzarella), Albasani,
>> AIOE, and individual.net even all together are tiny.
>
> By what criteria? Looking at yesterday's logs, ES and NIN *each*
> yield twice as many postings to *text* groups as all Highwinds customers
> combined and I'm not sure about AIOE and Albasani. I concede that binary
> groups are a different story, though.
If their criteria is spam posts then ES is very very tiny. Thank you
for that, Ray. :)
VanguardLH
And the number of all posts for all customers of Highwinds is? Since
the argument was over "tiny" (which got interpreted as just the posting
count), showing a single provider's count isn't a comparison.
Junior
> newservers except for binaries. Some "information" presented at the
> anchordudes site is less than accurate, so I asked all those type web
> sites, by around 2006 that I could find, not to present any information
> about our service. I noticed it's blanked. ;)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lies,_damned_lies,_and_statistics
Alexander Bartolich
> Alexander Bartolich wrote:
>> [...]
>> Number of posts sent by users of albasani, according to log files:
> And the number of all posts for all customers of Highwinds is?
Left as an exercise to the reader.
--
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Die meisten Leute haben ihre Bildung aus der Bild.
Und die besteht nun mal, wer wï¿œsste das nicht,
aus: Angst, Hass, Titten und dem Wetterbericht!
VanguardLH
> On 5919 September 1993, VanguardLH wrote:
>
>> Compared to Highwinds, Eternal-September (nee Motzarella), Albasani,
>> AIOE, and individual.net even all together are tiny.
>
> By what criteria? Looking at yesterday's logs, ES and NIN *each*
> yield twice as many postings to *text* groups as all Highwinds customers
> combined and I'm not sure about AIOE and Albasani. I concede that binary
> groups are a different story, though.
Sorry, should've been more specific. I doubt ES, AIOE, Albasani have
the resources (hardware, multiple redundant backbones, manpower, or data
center distribution for redundancy) of Highwinds, or even for what they
just allocate to their Usenet backbone service. They are smaller
*operations* than Highwinds and appear to be much smaller operations. I
don't operate an NNTP server nor leech from them to gather statistics on
their traffic based on just post counts and so have no means of
differentiating between text and binary post counts, either.
I haven't yet found a prospectus for Highwinds that shows a breakdown of
their operating costs to see how much just their Usenet backbone
services cost and how much revenue it generates. As yet, I have never
considered ES, AIOE, Albasani, or even individual.net in the league of
NNTP providers as Giganews and Highwinds.
When checking for posts from Highwinds' Usenet backbone, are you looking
for only "highwinds" to appear in the hostname for the first node (i.e.,
the originating domain) in the Path header? Did you combine the counts
from all of whatever hostnames are used for the 27 front-end NNTP
providers in the article that I mentioned? Did you include posts from
EasyNews, Virgin Media (aren't they from BT?), teranews (free AND paid
hosts), usenet.com, and the Highwinds' flagship services of
usenetserver.com and newshosting.com? Just because a front-end provider
uses Highwinds doesn't mean "highwinds" must be identified as the first
or originating node.
Alexander's post showed the post counts for just Albasani (who I'm
currently using after leaving ES). You didn't show counts for ES or for
Highwinds (or what domains you included in the Highwinds count). It
would be very interesting to see the volume (in post counts) for ES
versus Albasani versus AIOE versus individual.net versus *ALL* of the
domains for Highwinds (along with the breakdown in volumes for each
front-end NNTP provider using Highwinds as their Usenet backbone).
I did find the following report:
http://www.newsadmin.com/postservice.asp
Alas, some of the providers listed are using Highwinds as their Usenet
backbone, like newshosting.com and EasyNews, so I don't know how
accurate is that report (or if the highwinds count excludes the counts
for EasyNews and newshosting). It shows AIOE but not ES (or Motzarella)
or Albasani. They don't define their sampling algorithm. I then found:
http://www.newsadmin.com/pathoriginate.asp
Highwinds was high on the list again (but EasyNews and newshosting were
listed separate again). AIOE, Albasani, and ES weren't on the list.
VanguardLH
> VanguardLH wrote:
>
>> Alexander Bartolich wrote:
>>
>>> Number of posts sent by users of albasani ...
>>
>> And the number of all posts for all customers of Highwinds is?
>
> Left as an exercise to the reader.
Ah, but most *readers* don't operate NNTP servers, Hamster, or otherwise
leech all posts across all newsgroups (or just all text newsgroups) to
then utilitize scripts to extract that information. I figured you were
operating an NNTP server in order to retrieve all articles (or just the
headers for them) across all newsgroup to get your statistics. Most
*readers* only retrieve articles (or the headers for them) in just the
newsgroups to which they subscribe, plus their newsreader won't have the
option needed to generate statistics, like the number of posts from each
originating domain (and a lookup table to combine the counts for domains
that all share a common Usenet backbone).
While I use Albasani (after leaving ES), I'd still like to see it
compared against ES and AIOE (and curious as to how they compare against
other NNTP providers.
Thanks for the info, anyway.
Alexander Bartolich
> [...]
> I don't operate an NNTP server nor leech from them to gather statistics on
> their traffic based on just post counts and so have no means of
> differentiating between text and binary post counts, either.
While binary hierarchies and text-only hierarchies technically share
the same medium, they are two completely separate worlds.
Sample statistics of text-only Usenet provider:
http://188.40.43.213//stats/index.html
-> about 100'000 articles and 0.4 GB volume per day
Sample statistics of a binary Usenet provider:
http://newsfeed-hp2.netcologne.de/
-> about 12'000'000 articles and 4'110'000 GB volume per day
The high number of articles means:
- special newsreaders are required that can track files that were
split into multiple posts
- special newsreaders required that can split files into multiple
posts
- there are no threads in alt.binaries.pictures.erotica, so there's
no gain in using a threaded news reader
- and no matter whether you use yenc, MIME or uuencode: series of
binary posts look like spam. So absolutely no spam filters.
How usable is a Usenet server that provides no spam filtering?
Where customers that send out hundreds of posts per hour are quite
normal and no reason for the abuse desk to intervene?
So the question is, how many text-only users do these Binary servers
really have? Or more extreme--would cutting them all off have signi-
ficant impact to our side of Usenet?
There is amonthly traffic statistic for de.*, posted to de.admin.lists.
According to that newsreader2.netcologne.de contributes about 1 %
of all posts to de.*, even though it's a regional ISP in Germany.
Im comparison individual.net has a share of about 20 %.
Ray Banana
> Sorry, should've been more specific. I doubt ES, AIOE, Albasani have
> the resources (hardware, multiple redundant backbones, manpower, or data
> center distribution for redundancy) of Highwinds, or even for what they
> just allocate to their Usenet backbone service. They are smaller
> *operations* than Highwinds and appear to be much smaller operations.
You are certainly right about the size of the infrastructure and neither
AIOE, Albasani, Eternal-September, nor NIN are able to handle the volume
of binary articles Highwinds or Giganews handle. What I was trying to
point out is that it is possible even for small operations to run a
text-only service with a higher throughput than Highwinds as far as text
groups are concerned.
> When checking for posts from Highwinds' Usenet backbone, are you looking
> for only "highwinds" to appear in the hostname for the first node (i.e.,
> the originating domain) in the Path header?
If you take a look at the Path: headers you will notice that all
resellers and brands of Highwinds share a common element in the path.
That's what I used for counting articles (and for blocking articles from
their server farm).
> I did find the following report:
> http://www.newsadmin.com/postservice.asp
Newsadmin stopped listing AIOE, Albasani, Eternal-September and many
others some time ago (in 2007 IIRC). I don't know their criteria for
listing or not listing NSPs and I don't care. They do, however, still list
NIN. Eternal-September's posting figures are somewhat higher than NIN's,
i.e. ~180,000 articles per month, a daily average of ~6000.
hth
Junior
> VanguardLH wrote:
>
>>While I use Albasani (after leaving ES), I'd still like to see it
>>compared against ES and AIOE (and curious as to how they compare against
>>other NNTP providers.
>
>
Achtung!
Jetzt wir singen zusammen die Geschichte
Über den schweinköpfigen Hund
Und den lieben Red Baron
After the turn of the century
In the clear blue skies over Germany
Came a roar and a thunder men have never heard
Like the scream and the sound of a big war bird
Eins, zwei, drei, vier ....
Up in the sky, a man in a plane
Baron von Richthofen was his name
Eighty men tried and eighty men died
Now they're buried together on the countryside
Ten, twenty, thirty, forty, fifty or more
The Bloody Red Baron was rollin' out the score
Eighty men died tryin' to end that spree
Of the Bloody Red Baron of Germany
Left, two, three, four ....
In the nick of time, a hero arose
A funny-lookin' dog with a big black nose
He flew into the sky to seek revenge
But the Baron shot him down "Curses, foiled again!"
Ten, twenty, thirty, forty, fifty or more
The Bloody Red Baron was rollin' out the score
Eighty men died tryin' to end that spree
Of the Bloody Red Baron of Germany
Now, Snoopy had sworn that he'd get that man
So he asked the Great Pumpkin for a new battle plan
He challenged the German to a real dogfight
While the Baron was laughing, he got him in his sight
That Bloody Red Baron was in a fix
He'd tried everything, but he'd run out of tricks
Snoopy fired once and he fired twice
And that Bloody Red Baron went spinning out of sight
Ten, twenty, thirty, forty, fifty or more
The Bloody Red Baron was rollin' out the score
Eighty men died tryin' to end that spree
Of the Bloody Red Baron of Germany
Well, ten, twenty ....
ARTIST: The Royal Guardsmen
TITLE: Snoopy vs. the Red Baron
Junior
> Junior wrote:
>
>>Achtung!
>>TITLE: Snoopy vs. the Red Baron
>
>
> I'm glad someone else around here has a sense of fuckin' humor.
Maybe they is forgetting this ain't about money; it's usenet for
free. Now look at them yo-yo's, that's the way you do it... that
ain't working... money for nothing and your chicks for free!
_...@jeff_relf.seattle.invalid
For Sci.Physics ( 1,164 authors, last 2.3 months ),
“X.ZIP” ranks NNTP servers thusly:
Google / Highwinds-Media·COM / Eternal-September·ORG / Giganews·COM
Albasani·NET / Newsguy·COM / MSN·TV / Glorb·COM / Netfront·NET
Individual·NET / Aioe·ORG / Optusnet·COM·AU / Astraweb·COM
Brightview·CO·UK / BT·COM / Supernews·COM / TheWorld·COM / Easynews·COM
Earthlink·COM / X-Privat·ORG / Xs4all·NL / Newshosting·COM / Att·NET
Stanford·EDU / Bnb-LP·COM / Readnews·COM / Bigpond·NET·AU / Zen·CO·UK
UQ·EDU·AU / Telekom·AT / Alt·NET / Cornell·EDU / Telia·NET / Elisa·FI
Gnilink·NET / Telus·NET / Shared-Secrets·COM / ED·AC·UK / Bytemine·NET
Virginmedia·COM / Panix·COM / Atman·PL / Newsgroupbanter·COM
Tpg·COM·AU / Duke·EDU / Tin·IT / Westnet·COM·AU / Free·FR
Usenetmonster·COM / Gatech·EDU / Wxs·NL / Newsville·COM / CV·NET
Carleton·CA / Helsinki·FI / T-Online·COM / Allthenewsgroups·COM
Suddenlink·NET / Mit·EDU / Hist·NO / Sonic·NET / Home·NL / Iphouse·NET
Askar·COM·PL / Tut·FI / Speakeasy·NET / Parasun·COM / Swip·NET
Iinet·NET·AU / Visyn·NET / Tele·DK / Qwest·NET / Newsreader·COM
Uiuc·EDU / Ucla·EDU / Centurytel·NET / O1·COM / Ath·CX / Forethought·NET
Nefonline·DE / Orcon·NET·NZ / Ihug·CO·NZ / Sysmatrix·NET / Trueband·NET
Cmu·EDU / Anarqy·COM / Bresnan·COM / Insightbb·COM / Man·AC·UK
Indigo·IE / Twtelecom·NET / Buckeye-Express·COM / Ripco·COM / JA·NET
Otenet·GR / Reece·NET·AU / MV·NET / Mail··Dizum·COM / Rahul·NET
Lmi·NET / Siol·NET / Cablespeedmi·COM / Xcski·COM / Song·FI / UU·NET
Purdue·EDU / Nethere·COM / Fastwebnet·IT / Belgacom·BE / Tstu·RU
Scnresearch·COM / Lsu·EDU / Pipex·NET / Neostrada·PL / Tioat·NET
NNTP Clients:
Google / Micro·Soft / Gecko / Forté / Pan / MSN·TV / X·ZIP / KNode / tin
NewsWatcher / nn / Turnpike / 40tude / Pine / trn / Emacs / MicroPlanet
slrn / xrn / sylpheedClaws / NewsFleX / Xnews / Panix / newsRover
Yanoff / Xpress / NewsReader·Com / News::Web·v0·51 / G2·1·0 / MacSOUP
UnisonMacBin / operaMail / Thoth / Pluto·3·03j RISC-OS·4 / NONE
directReadNews / WinVN / XPN
_...@jeff_relf.seattle.invalid
Google·Groups dominates ( attachment·free ) Usenet.
Attachments ( i.e. inline·binaries ) are ridiculous.
Next up is Micro·Soft ( e.g. Outlook·Express ) and Highwinds-Media·COM.
Third is Gecko ( e.g. Thunder·Bird ) and Eternal-September·ORG.
“X.ZIP”'s ranking system is similar to Google's PageRank;
i.e. it's a flat·list view of a tree ( a hierarchy ).
“Who you're talking to” counts most, not “how often you post”.