Vive la Fance (50)
RLM
swissw...@hotmail.com
Appreciating your pictures about part of the French patrimony. Those
works of arts must be preserved for the future generations, as much as
all other worthwhile cultural aspects of mankind.
What I want to imply is that it does not mean that cultures not having
built castles and cathedrals do not possess worthwhile cultural
inheritance, which also should be respected and preserve.
None of those should be subject to chauvinism and arrogance.
fzer0
news:1126988443.0...@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> What I want to imply is that it does not mean that cultures not having
> built castles and cathedrals do not possess worthwhile cultural
> inheritance, which also should be respected and preserve.
Give us an example please. Not enough input to carry on.
RLM
Werewolfy
"Give us an example please. Not enough input to carry on."
Swiss is correct but (this is not an anti American post) America does
not have anything to compare with European artifacts.
The indigenous population of the Country was desecrated in the conquest
of the nomadic tribes that lived there for thousands of years, and
little remains of their history or culture. In any event, their life
style was such, that few artifacts able to endure the passage of time
were constructed.
Quite simply, Americans love European artifacts and Europeans find
little of interest in replica 'ghost towns' where Disney type gunfights
are enacted for entertainment.
Importation of ancient monuments...the old London Bridge in Arizona for
example, are surrounded by the American style, which of necessity is
modern and different. I found the adjacent 'London Bridge' hotel, built
as a cultural centre, to be a very sad mockery of mediaeval Europe. It
reminded me of the attrocious cement sphinxes, the fake Eifel tower,
and the play-acting Gondoliers in an awful reproduction of Venice, that
attempts to attract people in Las Vegas.
What America does have, is some breath-taking geographical features,
and to a large extent the Nation has protected and displayed these to
good effect.
The disputes arise through the opposing views of the word, 'culture'. I
am certain that many Americans simply can not grasp the fact that their
life-style, their preferences are not to the taste of Europe..or to the
rest of the world for that matter.
Expansion of 'The American Way' throughout the world, lies firmly at
the door of wealthy Companies who wish to expand their business
globally, and have the financial means to do so. Although American
'culture' is evident everywhere..through establishments such as M'c
Donalds, these places do not have the same profit margins as in
America, but are frequented for convenience, speed and simply 'because
they are there'. That does not mean they have any sort of Universal
appeal in the land that tolerates their presence, just that
less-discerning young people find these places to be a fashion for
their age.
It is wrong to judge a Nation on a remark made by one person. Opinions
should always be based on how one finds a man to be, not his
Nationality. A point that some detractors would do well to follow.
My personal objection is shared by many Europeans. I do not care for
the 'American Way', but respect their right to enjoy it as they will.
This must apply to the English, the French, the Nepalese..everyone.
Sadly, through finance and an overzealous nature, America coninues a
policy designed to impose it's values on the world... through either
force, or through financial superiority.
I suspect that all Nations are guilty of meddling in the affairs of
Foreign Countries for their own purposes, but America is (in my view)
the most insiduous and persistant of all, with an all-consuming desire
to dominate and to change the world into 'The American Way'.
This is where resistance comes into play, jibes are hurled and unjust
opinions are forged.
I can, and do criticise my own Country (England) and I have a number of
complaints against my adopted Country (France) but this should not be a
reason to practice discrimination against an entire race through a few
personal preferences, or a few chance encounters.
All Nations would benefit from a lesson in benevolance and tolerance,
and a control of the present grasping, greedy self-interested approach
that exists behind the closed doors within the corridors of power.
Well, that's rather long...probably disliked...but is my view.
Werewolfy
Montesquiou
"Werewolfy" <thegrim...@lycos.com> a écrit dans le message de news:
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Amen !
Excellent and intelligent observations.
swissw...@hotmail.com
Appreciating your explaining and expending my theme of thoughts. I am
just not quite sure that France (Govt, not people) is not trying as
hard as the U.S. to impose its own views in a very selfish manner. At
least they have done it very successfully for the past 40 years in the
establishment of the European Community).
I appreciate U.K.'s stance and philosophy. Having travelled quite a lot
in my life, I have been able to notice that good civil servant services
and governmental administration have remained in all British's previous
colonies. (Scots, Irish and Welsch people, please do not flame me).
Nice exchanging viewpoints!
swissw...@hotmail.com
The U.S.A. are a the most important open air museum for Art Deco,
especially Art Deco buildings. At the beginning, Art Nouveau started in
Europe, was exported to the New World, which, with is down to earth
strealining talents, developed it further into a new artistic movement:
Art Deco.
Louis Cartier, the famous jeweler, who had many customers in U.S.A.
felt the pulse and started developing his famous Art Deco jewels, thus
introducing Art Deco back into the Old World.
Art-Nouveau website, with links:
http://perso.wanadoo.fr/artnouveau/en/index.htmhttp://
Short description of Art-Nouveau:
http://www.artcyclopedia.com/history/art-nouveau.html
Henri de Toulouse Lautrec:
http://www.artchive.com/artchive/T/toulouse-lautrec.html
Gaudi: http://www.gaudiallgaudi.com/
Art-Deco: http://www.artcyclopedia.com/history/art-deco.html
William Van Allen's Chrysler building:
http://www.greatbuildings.com/buildings/Chrysler_Building.html
Louis Cartier Art Deco Jewelry: http://www.mschon.com/1920307.html
I am sure that on either side of the Atlantic, many participants shall
be eager to gather good examples of Art Nouveau as well as Art Deco and
show them to us.
Art is the best way to unify mankind's philosophic / cultural &
religious beliefs, offering the greatest possibilities of exchanges,
over the language plurality and writing diversities.
Werewolfy
" I am just not quite sure that France (Govt, not people) is not trying
as
hard as the U.S. to impose its own views in a very selfish manner. At
least they have done it very successfully for the past 40 years in the
establishment of the European Community)."
Nor I. Nationalism is fine, but moderated to a level that does not
include the hackneyed phrase, 'My Country...Right or wrong".
Actually Swiss, you have happened on a rather appropriate time to ask
for 'open discusson'. After living in France for the past 18 years very
happily, I am currently locked in a rather nasty battle against several
Government Departments, corruption, mis-information and menaces from
the State as well as denial of basic human rights to respond to secret
dossiers kept by a Government Department.
Actually, all I am doing is protecting my 19 year old daughter. Not
that I would if she was wrong of course, but she is not, and has
suffered indignity and injustice. The deeper I dig, the more unpopular
I have become with Authority.
Injustice is the one certain thing to cause me to rise to any means to
correct. If I must fight the entire Nation, then so be it.
Anyway, without going into details, the rats are scurrying in their
power corridors. I really believe that French people in general accept
more than an Englishman would from high ranking officials.
I knew I was winning when I was offered cash privately to let things
drop....just wish I had taped that!
Money is of no interest, simply justice. I would normally shrug and say
little, but direct this corruption against my daughter and beware..;)
It passes the day too...a challenge. It's hard work though, with doors
closed to prevent my finding further evidence of mal-practice. Those
involved at the moment are three highly placed medical consultants, the
Social Services Department (they are more like a secret society than a
government body) a corrupt Gendarme, and a mis-carriage of justice by
the manner in which the Department's Procurator interpreted the
complicated legislation.
I am a retired UK Police Sergeant..so justice and I are no strangers.
It's hard going though...but I have more than enough now against
several people. It should prove...interesting...;)
I love France, but wherever one travels in the world, there exists a
bad element. I would be a lot happier without all of this...but now it
has started...it will be finished properly!
Back to the fight...;) Liberty, equality, fraternity? So many people
died 200 years ago for that principle, and they are no more than just
empty words.
Ricky
Greyfish
>
> Back to the fight...;) Liberty, equality, fraternity? So many people
> died 200 years ago for that principle, and they are no more than just
> empty words.
They are not empty words for some French people ( Well, I guess most of
them..!)
I don't know what's the mess you're dealing with but if you need any help or
assistance
just send me a mail to the adress shown in my post.
--
Greyfish o]--}
"Le sage cherche les réponses, l'imbécile croit les avoir déjà trouvé"
"The wiseman is searching for answers, the stupid thinks that he already got
them"
We are judged by our own high standards and not
> by those of others. Be faithful to yourself and be faithful to your
> brothers, and you cannot go
> wrong.
John of Aix
> "Werewolfy" <thegrim...@lycos.com> a écrit dans le message de
> news: 1127030186....@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
>> Well, that's rather long...probably disliked...but is my view.
> Amen !
> Excellent and intelligent observations.
Seconded.
Werewolfy
"They are not empty words for some French people ( Well, I guess most
of
them..!)
I don't know what's the mess you're dealing with but if you need any
help or
assistance
just send me a mail to the adress shown in my post."
Thanks Grey. I felt bolstered by your post and offer. It meant a great
deal more than you can ever realise.
It's a Hell of a hard thing, complicated by my daughter being 'majeur',
and her naive trust in certain people who. like crocodiles, smile and
bite. Her current wish is of quiet compliance in order to resolve the
matter. She has a blind faith that I don't share. I know that despite
everything, if I fail to respect her wishes, then I am no better than
those who have tried to conceal their initial incompetance by
conspiracy and deceit. The internal fight between my desire to protect,
and respect of her wishes is perhaps the hardest to bear.
Anyway, no matter....I have now personal issues of my own to settle and
I know I an right.
The press have the story now (yep...my idea) and are prepared to
headline it. Yesterday, my daughter was told by 'The Authorities', that
a favourable report would be written...but only if the press were not
involved. I think that says it all really. The right to speak is
threatened by reprisal.
I'll continue in my normal way...a very persistant way...but seeing
your offer is a great moral boost. I'll remember that, and if a time
comes when I feel a need for some support, I'll e-mail.
I'm too stubborn I suppose, have never backed down from injustice and
things are moving in my direction now.
You are right. Those famous lines that underscore French justice are
held in esteem by ordinary French people. Your post shows that clearly.
I've already won really. My refusal to be threatened, culminated in a
violent attack on me by a very respected and influential Official. Yes,
loads of passers by as witnesses too..;) He completely lost all reason
(worry was the cause) and I neither retaliated, nor offered any form of
resistance. A few bruises is nothing to me, although fighting the
impulse to 'see to' the man was Hellishy hard. That's the first one for
the tribunal on serious assault charges. Poke around enough, and they
always fall apart, even those who believe themselves to be immune...;)
Enough of that Grey...I just want to repeat that your post bolstered my
resolve, and that with restraint and patience, even the mighty will
fall.
Thank you for your post. Those words help me remain on the correct and
right side of things.
Ah well...it's time to sleep and spend the day with my daughter
tomorrow (19th) for her birthday. Just 19 and finding out the hard way
that the world isn't all it seems to be. Sad really.
Take care my friend...and thanks...;)
Ricky