Very Unwise Post (was Painter 7 FREE)
Jinny Brown
If you truly care about keeping the company in business, this is a very
odd way of showing it.
Are you aware that the Corel Painter folks read the Painter related
newsgroups, e-mail lists, and forums?
Jinny Brown
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Painter 7 FREE
Date:
Sat, 17 Aug 2002 08:47:20 GMT
From:
Robert Williams <wil...@earthlink.net>
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I bought Painter 4 and Painter 6 and have been waiting to get the money
for Painter 7
while (in the graphics world) falling
behind the times with each day. Since I don't make any profit from the
endless hours I
spend on my art and only send it to friends and family
with the exception of the web site my record company generously keeps
active (and no
one has offered to pay for those pieces) I decided to do a search on
Limewire
for Painter 7 and there it was for the taking.
I don't condone getting software off the net for free, but if you're a
poor and struggling
artist grab it and run with it.
Pro artists with big paychecks would want the CD to rely on in case of
having to
reinstall.
I and others like me can enjoy art for art's sake and never a sleepless
night.
NOTE: If you CAN afford this program please pay for it. We'd like to
keep the company
in business to produce
more great software.
Now, if I could only get my head around some of the new features.
I still keep P4 and P6 around to take advantage of some of the settings
I spent time
on.
I'm a musician and no matter how much money and time I put into creating
my music. a
vast number of people will have the ability to
download the whole CD. It's sad but true. So I guess it's a case of,
"When in
Rome..."
AArDvarK
typed back at me in Renderosity.
Alex
Jinny Brown
Congrats to you and Seanna for your posts!
You both said it very well and it makes me happy to see people standing
up for what's right.
Thanks for telling the guy he's dead wrong!
(((HUGS))) :o)
Jinny Brown
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Seanna
wrote on 19 Aug 2002, in alt.fractal-design.painter:
> (((HUGS))) :o)
>
Wow! was one of those for me, too? ;`)
Thanks, Jinny.
--
~ Seanna
Karen Sperling
I hadn't seen the original message. Corel probably deleted it, wisely
so.
Now that it's back, I just want to add why it's so bad to steal
pirated software instead of buying a legitimate copy.
Yeah it's illegal and it's unethical.
But more importantly, it hurts users.
Everyone complains bitterly about Painter's bugs and crashes. Well if
Corel had all the money from all the pirated copies of Painter out
there, they'd have more R&D money to fix things before Painter hit the
market. That's why you should pay for software. To get better
software.
The guy who made the post about spending unlimited hours with Painter
but it's just for personal images--do you think you should have a free
TV because you just watch it for personal enjoyment? How about a car?
Should you have a free car just because you drive it around on your
own time? And how would the companies who you had free tvs and cars
from pay their staff to make sure that the cars and tv's run properly?
Most people are honest, but if you're in the minority of people
considering stealing Painter, think again.
Karen Sperling
Editor/Publisher
Artistry Painter tutorials and classes
http://www.artistrymag.com
AArDvarK
And HUGS back too.
You are always so kind to constantly be there
to help people out with painter, just always there!
Alex
"Jinny Brown" <jinb...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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Jinny Brown
Yes, definitely for you! Your post was especially well written and good
to read. :o)
Jin
____________________________
Karen Sperling
Google, I got my groups confused. Corel wouldn't have deleted a
message from here. But what I said about pirated software stands.
Jinny Brown
I'm **almost** always "there". However, sometimes sleep overtakes me.
<G>
Thanks and (((HUGS))) to Karen too, for a good post explaining to all
who read this newsgroup some of the reasons it's important to **not**
use pirated software and to pay for what you use, whatever it is.
It does matter.
It does hurt both the software company and individuals who use the
software (some of them are your friends, even).
It's rotten behavior, irresponsible, selfish, uncaring, and it stinks.
How's that for eloquent writing? :D
Šolin
majority of copied programs are obtained out of curiosity, simply because
they are there? I would think that most people never use the programs after
the first look. Certainy most of them would not pay the asking price,
therefore the software companies would not gain sufficient to fix even the
most minor of bugs. It could even be argued that some people will buy the
program after trying a copy.
"Karen Sperling" <kspe...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:652eaa7c.02081...@posting.google.com...
DLFrost
>
>But more importantly, it hurts users.
>
>Everyone complains bitterly about Painter's bugs and crashes. Well if
>Corel had all the money from all the pirated copies of Painter out
>there, they'd have more R&D money to fix things before Painter hit the
>market. That's why you should pay for software. To get better
>software.
I agree with Karen here, though with one caveat: Piracy hurts Corel if the
people doing it can actually afford to buy Painter. If they can't it doesn't.
And to the extent such a person usefully contributes to the Painter resource
base (textures, tutorials, brushes, etc.) he's actually helping, if only a
little.
For those thinking about just copying: Consider that Corel is not one of the
big boys like Adobe or Macromedia, with a billion-plus net worth and a gaggle
of lawsuit-happy patent lawyers. Truth is, Corel is just barely into the black
financially after having gone through some tough times. The CorelDraw suite
offers the only real competition Photoshop and Illustrator have to face. Corel
rescued Painter, Bryce and the KPT series from being gobbled up from the
aforementioned big boys. So send em some money if you can swing it--over the
long term you'll be doing yourself a favor.
Doug Frost
Karen Sperling
Painter because he spends hours using Painter only for his own
enjoyment, and to those like him.
Also, there are demo versions of Painter available to those who want
to take it for a test drive before purchasing. If a person can get a
legal demo from a software company, and if you think people would not
use the program after the first look, why use a warez site to download
pirated software, except to get a full working version for extended
use, like the original poster, for free?
Of course some people will buy the program after trying a copy. That's
why software companies offer legal demos of their software.
Karen Sperling
Editor/Publisher
Artistry Painter tutorials and classes
http://www.artistrymag.com
"?olin" <co...@Takeaway.colbing.com> wrote in message news:<ajslem$hes$1...@news8.svr.pol.co.uk>...
Karen Sperling
Karen Sperling
Editor/Publisher
Artistry Painter tutorials and classes
http://www.artistrymag.com
Jinny Brown <jinb...@mindspring.com> wrote in message news:<3D6178A7...@mindspring.com>...
Seanna
> Seanna,
>
> Yes, definitely for you! Your post was especially well written and good
> to read. :o)
Thankyou!
~ Seanna
Seanna
news:ajslem$hes$1...@news8.svr.pol.co.uk wrote on 20 Aug 2002, in
alt.fractal-design.painter:
> Has it ever occurred to some of you high minded people that the vast
> majority of copied programs are obtained out of curiosity, simply
> because they are there? I would think that most people never use the
> programs after the first look. Certainy most of them would not pay the
> asking price, therefore the software companies would not gain
> sufficient to fix even the most minor of bugs. It could even be argued
> that some people will buy the program after trying a copy.
>
You most certainly have a point. I'm not so "high minded" that I don't
think there is never a reason to use "illegal" copies of some software. I
think Karen gave the very best answer. You wouldn't steal a car for
personal use, but neither would you purchase one to which you hadn't been
able to give a very good test drive. Hopefully you wouldn't steal a car
even for that purpose, but you *might* ask to borrow one from a friend to
try it out.
There are degrees in both morality and law. My objection was to the
unboundaried beligerence of the original poster that suggests that because
one *can* do something, then one *should* do it; that it's okay to steal
because it's only for personal use.
In my books. It's okay to steal food if you are starving and there is NO
OTHER WAY TO GET IT. But no one needs software that badly.
I know that I have been extremely frustrated by demo software that has time
limitations because sometimes, with my challenging and very full life, it
has taken me longer to finish evaluating it's usefulness to me than the
time limitation has allowed. I wish all demos were full demos and gave you
15 or 30 *uses* rather than 15 or 30 days. My time is very limited when it
comes to trying out new software. And often the more complex the learning
curve on software, the more evaluation time one requires.
Therefore, I will use a *borrowed* copy for as long as it takes until I
have found out whether it is wasting my system space or not. And if it is I
delete it and if it is not, then I purchase it because I want to support
the further development of the product. (I try not to support
companie/developers that have miniscule time limits or are not allowing you
to use the *full* version.)
With this end in view I have purchased numerous licenses for shareware
products that loved even though there were no time limitations. I did this
even when it was a choice as to whether I would eat that week or purchase
the software. I believe that because of this I am now able to eat a lot
more regularly.
Hmmm... I suppose you could call that "high minded", too, but I will take
that as the compliment you didn't intend anyway.
BTW... Way back, when Corel first started up, I visted their offices to get
a look at their products before deciding to purchase. I was overwhelmed by
their professionalism, their eagerness to help me, by the number of
tutorials they pressed upon me, and by their offer to allow me to pay for
the product over time (since I was a single self-employed mother at the
time).
They played more than fair with me, and if ever a company deserves fair
play from the people who use their products, IMHO, it is Corel.
Okay...enough ranting. :`)
See what happens when you encourage me, Jinny? ;`)
--
~ Seanna
Šolin
"Seanna" <to...@m.is.invalid> wrote in message
news:Xns9270A313AA95Ef...@24.24.0.18...
Hi Seanna
I like your answer and agree with your sentiments. I also pay for shareware
that I find useful. I have also tried demo programs and found, like you,
that they expired often before I even had a good look at them. I even have
demos waiting to be loaded. I have a "borrowed" copy of painter on my system
now that I looked at once many weeks ago. I have even purchased "The Painter
7 WOW Book" and only flicked though it once. I have also bought used copies
of "learning to paint" books and a series of "art course" magazines. My plan
is to become an accomplished "artist" by converting my many photographs into
works of art and lining my house walls with them. :o) The problem now is
finding the time to start. If/when I do I will then buy a legitimate copy of
Painter. But until then, I need help to release my (potential??) artistic
abilities :o)
Colin
Seanna
news:20020820020110...@mb-cf.aol.com wrote on 20 Aug 2002,
in alt.fractal-design.painter:
> I agree with Karen here, though with one caveat: Piracy hurts Corel
> if the people doing it can actually afford to buy Painter. If they
> can't it doesn't. And to the extent such a person usefully contributes
> to the Painter resource base (textures, tutorials, brushes, etc.) he's
> actually helping, if only a little.
>
> For those thinking about just copying: Consider that Corel is not one
> of the big boys like Adobe or Macromedia, with a billion-plus net
> worth and a gaggle of lawsuit-happy patent lawyers. Truth is, Corel
> is just barely into the black financially after having gone through
> some tough times. The CorelDraw suite offers the only real
> competition Photoshop and Illustrator have to face. Corel rescued
> Painter, Bryce and the KPT series from being gobbled up from the
> aforementioned big boys. So send em some money if you can swing
> it--over the long term you'll be doing yourself a favor.
>
I bought CorelDraw!v3 many years ago, upgraded to 4 and then 5, but was
using it less and less, as I explored Painter more and more and loved
everything about it. I gave my copies of CorelDraw! to a friend who loved
them (and used them) so much that for Christmas last year I bought him a
copy for his Christmas present. I was visiting in the states at the time
(my home is in Canada) and wanted to bring it home with me. I paid almost
$300 USD for it, only to find later that it would have cost me less than
half of that if I had stopped off somewhere in Canada to purchase it on the
way! LOL! That didn't matter, though I *was* tight for cash at the time.
My friend was delighted. I still have two extra copies of CorelPaint5,
still in their shrinkwrap, that came with HP printers (IIRC) that I never
opened. Painter will always be my first love. I was thrilled and relieved
when Corel went out on a limb and purchased three of the five programs I
loved.I'm glad to hear that they are at last even barely in the black.
Now that I am illustrating for publishers, I have to work with photoshop,
though I find it very unintuitive, probably due to all these years
exploring Painter. Fortunately I can create mostly in Painter, then shove
it into PS to see if I have the colours close enough.
I only hope that the next version of Painter will allow those of us, who
put bread on the table by working for publishers and printers, to work in a
CMYK environment as easily as we can with Photoshop 7.
For anyone who aspires to be, or is already, a fine artist rather than
simply a commercial artist or web artist, there is no program out there
yet that can touch Painter --especially Painter7.
So I add my voice to Doug's when he says "So send em some money if you can
swing it--over the long term you'll be doing yourself a favor."
--
~ Seanna
Jinny Brown
Since you're obviously in love with Painter (me too!), I'd really like
to know your thoughts on the Painter 7 Water Color technology. There are
so many people who complain about it but I know some folks have found it
useable and even like it a lot.
If you ever work with the Water Color brushes and turn out some work you
like, it would be great to see it and know how you managed to make these
brushes work for you. I've done a little here and there but don't have
time to really produce anything impressive (not that I might anyway..
but one can always hope).
I'd like to be able to show the doubters some success stories/watercolor
paintings done in Painter 7.
Thanks in advance if you have time to respond to this. It's always
heartwarming to see artists saying they love Painter.
Jinny Brown
PixelAlley Section Links Page at:
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Seanna
> Seanna,
>
> Since you're obviously in love with Painter (me too!), I'd really like
> to know your thoughts on the Painter 7 Water Color technology. There are
> so many people who complain about it but I know some folks have found it
> useable and even like it a lot.
So far, what I've seen of it, I love it! In RL I'm terrified of
Watercolours. I work in oils, very oil-like acrylics, oil pastels, pen&ink,
graphite, and coloured pencils, but watercolour has always attracted me the
ways cats do: If you intensely *want* them to come to you, they won't!
To me, good watercolours have the glow of sunlight coming through stained-
glass windows. I want to create that, but have never had the time to study
it carefully enough.
That said --it was the main reason for upgrading from Painter 6 to 7. :`) I
have a few *mixed media* pieces (I prefer, when painting for myself, to do
constructive abstracts --playing until *something* begins to emerge, then
"midwifing" that into a fully-birthed creation...) But I have nothing ready
to show the world yet. ;`)
> If you ever work with the Water Color brushes and turn out some work you
> like, it would be great to see it and know how you managed to make these
> brushes work for you. I've done a little here and there but don't have
> time to really produce anything impressive (not that I might anyway..
> but one can always hope).
I'm sure you are being overly modest.
Jinny, I'm hoping to put aside some time in the next two weeks to do some
work exclusively with Painter7's watercolour brushes/layers (before I get
thrust back into the mad "illustrating for the publisher" contracts near
the end of September. If I come up with anything I like, I'll let you know.
But I warn you --I'm no purist. LOL!
> I'd like to be able to show the doubters some success stories/watercolor
> paintings done in Painter 7.
It will be a good boundary for me, too. It will give me the incentive I
need to keep better track of *what* I am doing, *when* I am doing it. I
find recording strokes irrationally intimidating.
> Thanks in advance if you have time to respond to this. It's always
> heartwarming to see artists saying they love Painter.
>
I've loved Painter since I painted my first stroke with it --with a mouse!
LOL! (Could that have been as much as seven years ago? I can't remember.)
--
~ Seanna
Jinny Brown
I do hope you can find time to do this. It would be so helpful when
newcomers to Painter 7 ask about the Water Color technology and people
who have found it not to their liking give the newcomer a rather
hopeless view.
I'll try to find some time to devote to this as well then upload the
image(s) and send you the URL. If you are able to share anything with
me, please do the same as I make it a practice not to open attachments.
If you don't have web server space, let me know and we'll figure out
something. Feel free to write to me privately if you want, any time.
Matter of fact, I'm thinking of putting up a page or two with all of my
Painter 7 Water Color images in one place and as much explanation as I
can muster up from memory. If I do that, I'll send you the URL to share
my own experience with you.
Thanks so much for being interested in this project!
Jinny Brown
PixelAlley Section Links Page at:
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Painter Can forum at In Depth Discussions:
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Seanna
> Seanna,
>
> I do hope you can find time to do this. It would be so helpful when
> newcomers to Painter 7 ask about the Water Color technology and people
> who have found it not to their liking give the newcomer a rather
> hopeless view.
::nods:: Watercolour in RL is hard enough. It's my view that learning some
of the techniques in a digital painting program like Painter7 might be very
helpful toward having the courage to continue with it in RL.The digital
medium certainly seems to behave similarly, but with the bonus of being
able to undo when it doesn't do what I expected and I mess up something.
When I do get something I like, I'll print it out on some of my WC paper to
have a look at it properly.
> I'll try to find some time to devote to this as well then upload the
> image(s) and send you the URL. If you are able to share anything with
> me, please do the same as I make it a practice not to open attachments.
Very wise! Unfortunately right now my Domain <http://www.jannart.on.ca>is
not letting anyone in via web browser except myself under FTP and admin
password. No one seems to know why. If I get that fixed then we'll be
fine.
> If you don't have web server space, let me know and we'll figure out
> something. Feel free to write to me privately if you want, any time.
::nods:: Ok. Thanks!
> Matter of fact, I'm thinking of putting up a page or two with all of my
> Painter 7 Water Color images in one place and as much explanation as I
> can muster up from memory. If I do that, I'll send you the URL to share
> my own experience with you.
I'd love to see those --and the explanations. Maybe *especially* the
explanations! LOL!
> Thanks so much for being interested in this project!
YW! Thanks for inviting me to join you in it.
You've already fired me up so much that I want to get on with it right
away, but unfortunately I have a number of previous projects to finish
first. (sigh)
Perhaps your plea will attract the attention of some others and we'll have
a whole set of Painter 7 Watercolour Galleries. (I remember a woman from
the comp-graphics group a couple of years ago who was doing stuff with
Painter's watercolours, but that was using Painter 6. she was very
excited about it. Her name is Jo-anne, IIRC. She might also be interested -
- IF she has Painter7.)
--
~ Seanna
Jinny Brown
I just sent off a private e-mail to you with a URL so you can take a
look at why I've been up all night. <G>
Please let Jo-anne know about this if you're still in touch with that
group. It's not one I'm familiar with. It'd be great to have her join
us.
If you want to see some of our Painter 7 Water Color explorations,
there's a thread in the Painter Can forum at In Depth Discussions that I
started named "Thinking Outside of the Box". The URL is below my
signature.
People were complaining so much about the Painter 7 Water Color brushes,
I started the thread in an effort to get them thinking of other ways,
besides just painting with the brushes, to get a watercolor look. Some
of the resulting images were pretty nice and it was fun just digging in
and playing that way.. together. It might give you some ideas.
There are a lot of other threads in the Painter Can forum, too, where we
discuss and share Water Color images, so if you decide to stop by, do a
Search for "Water Colors" and "watercolors" in Forum: Painter Can and
you'll get a list of threads.
Talk to you later, :o)
Jinny Brown
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Jinny Brown
Would you mind private e-mailing me your (one that works) e-mail
address? The one displaying in your messages bounced my message (as I
suspected it might).
Thanks, :o)
Seanna
> Would you mind private e-mailing me your (one that works) e-mail
> address? The one displaying in your messages bounced my message (as I
> suspected it might).
>
Done. Sorry. One of these days I'll get around to adding ".invalid" to
the end of that address.
--
~ Seanna
Seanna
> Seanna,
>
> I just sent off a private e-mail to you with a URL so you can take a
> look at why I've been up all night. <G>
<chuckle> Got you all fired up, too, eh?
> Please let Jo-anne know about this if you're still in touch with that
> group. It's not one I'm familiar with. It'd be great to have her join
> us.
I'll see what I can do. But that was over two years ago.
> If you want to see some of our Painter 7 Water Color explorations,
> there's a thread in the Painter Can forum at In Depth Discussions that I
> started named "Thinking Outside of the Box". The URL is below my
> signature.
Ok. When Old Father Time permits...
> People were complaining so much about the Painter 7 Water Color brushes,
> I started the thread in an effort to get them thinking of other ways,
> besides just painting with the brushes, to get a watercolor look. Some
> of the resulting images were pretty nice and it was fun just digging in
> and playing that way.. together. It might give you some ideas.
>
> There are a lot of other threads in the Painter Can forum, too, where we
> discuss and share Water Color images, so if you decide to stop by, do a
> Search for "Water Colors" and "watercolors" in Forum: Painter Can and
> you'll get a list of threads.
OK, with the above caveat about Time... ;`)
Looking forward to that URL...
--
~ Seanna
humidsign
out such a bug ridden, unstable program. Being an artist who has very
little money it was a very difficult decision for me to purchase
Painter. While some of Painter's features maybe fairly good I find
that everytime Painter vanishes from the screen and destroys my file
in the process I am left sitting at my computer with my heart beating
fast, expressing how angry I feel towards the Corel Company. It maybe
that Corel's software designers have contributed something good to the
field of computer graphics yet it is hard to wish such a company
financial success. Really, I am quite sure that no one who has
installed Painter from a friend's CD will feel any real shame compared
to what the people responsible for putting Painter 7 onto the market
in such a defective condition must be feeling. That is assuming that
they have a normally functioning sense of shame.
One wonders if the internal workings of the Corel Company are not
quite dysfunctional as a seem to be capable of behaving in a most
irrational fashion. It really seems kind of silly to be defending the
people at Corel in anyway. If a friend has a copy of Painter I would
say go ahead and install it on your computer. Corel do not deserve to
be paid for a piece of software that tends to crash almost everytime
it is used. Certainly is possible to feel some sympathy for the
people to work for such a company nevertheless they have cooperated
with Corel in releasing a defective piece of software to the public.
Perhaps people need to stand up for themselves a little more,
yours sincerely, humidesign.