Are these trees ill?
Lady Penelope Creighton-Ward
and prognosis might be:
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3035/2512191676_c688245b50_b.jpg
Thanks so much!
Joe
first time or moving it closer to the trees could definitely damage the
trees by damaging the roots. It looks like some trees have some damage near
the ground. Auto exhaust isn't good for the trees either.
Or it might be so me insect problem- others who work with spruce might have
an opinion.
Joe
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Larry
Your spruce are sick. most likely some disease or pathogen. The
weeping trunks are a giveaway symptom of disease. Looks like a
blister rust of some sort. I doubt it is insects. As Joe said, the
road buildup may have impacted the roots thus weakening the trees and
making them predisposed to infection.
Trees this sick are hard to treat. I expect the branch die-back will
continue until they're dead. You might try fertilizer to improve tree
vigor. You could also contact local arorist to see if the infection
might be common in your area and any known treatments. Frankly they
look like ultimate goners to me...
good luck
Larry L.
mhagen
Where are you located? This looks very much like country roadside in
Wisconsin. Wasn't there just an especially hard winter in the upper
midwest? Gravel and salt spray from passing traffic could account for
the dings and long periods of subzero and wind would kill off branch
tips. And it could certainly get bark beetles at this date.
I don't see any more details to call out in the jpg.
Lady Penelope Creighton-Ward
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Thank you all for your informed comments.
This is in Somerville, MA. A property we are looking to buy was
constructed on this lot in the past two years. A big part of the
appeal are the trees. It seems they have been hurt in construction...
The question now is is it possible to save them and at what cost...
Joe
to the construction work- many may be injured. The arborist will be able to
tell. Those that are severely injured and which will die back over the next
decade might be better taken down now- and replant. Talk to several
arborists for their opinions.
Joe
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Lady Penelope Creighton-Ward
heartbreaking to think these old trees were so carelessly destroyed
during construction...
On May 26, 8:41 am, "Joe" <a...@xyz.com> wrote:
> You'll need a local arborist to evaluate all the trees on the property close
> to the construction work- many may be injured. The arborist will be able to
> tell. Those that are severely injured and which will die back over the next
> decade might be better taken down now- and replant. Talk to several
> arborists for their opinions.
>
> Joe
>
> "Lady Penelope Creighton-Ward" <penel...@rescueteam.com> wrote in messagenews:db0c763e-b6a6-4b1b...@f63g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> The question now is is it possible to save them and at what cost...- Hide quoted text -
Joe
people, they just think trees are inert objects like furniture.
Joe
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symplastless
branches. I remember seeing them in the open and just a small amount of
green at the top. The trees may live or support a symplast for many years.
Are you exposing the trees to road salt? Proper mulching would help and
maybe an application of microelements to the soil of the area to be mulched
correctly and I would stay away from nitrogen if I could. Mulching
suggestions. http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT2003/M/mulch.html
You could also remove symplastless branches as they arise.
http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT2003/tree_pruning/targets/symplastless.html
Use more ecoart nurse logs in the landscape. Perpendicular to the slop.
http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT2003/ecoart/index.html
--
Sincerely,
John A. Keslick, Jr.
Consulting Tree Biologist
http://home.ccil.org/~treeman
and www.treedictionary.com
Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology.
Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding us
that we are not the boss.
Some people will buy products they do not understand and not buy books that
will give them understanding.
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symplastless
http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT2003/shigo/RHIZO.html
other articles here:
http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT2003/shigo/index.html
Will look at pictures and comment.
--
Sincerely,
John A. Keslick, Jr.
Consulting Tree Biologist
http://home.ccil.org/~treeman
and www.treedictionary.com
Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology.
Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding us
that we are not the boss.
Some people will buy products they do not understand and not buy books that
will give them understanding.
"Lady Penelope Creighton-Ward" <pene...@rescueteam.com> wrote in message
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Don Staples
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>I have noticed in once fertile forest spruces loose many of their lower
>branches. I remember seeing them in the open and just a small amount of
>green at the top. The trees may live or support a symplast for many years.
>Are you exposing the trees to road salt? Proper mulching would help and
>maybe an application of microelements to the soil of the area to be mulched
>correctly and I would stay away from nitrogen if I could. Mulching
>
> You could also remove symplastless branches as they arise.
>
>
>
> Use more ecoart nurse logs in the landscape. Perpendicular to the slop.
>
>
> --
> Sincerely,
> John A. Keslick, Jr.
> http://home3.ccil.org/~treeman
> and www.tree3dictionary.com
> Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology.
> Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding
> us that we are not the boss.
> Some people will buy products they do not understand and not buy books
> that will give them understanding.
Ignore this fool.
Don Staples
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> Most tree troubles are in the rhizosphere. Article here:
>
> other articles here:
> http://www.treedictiodnary.com/DICT2003/shigo/index.html
>
> Will look at pictures and comment.
>
>
> --
> Sincerely,
> John A. Keslick, Jr.
> http://home.ccild.org/~treeman
> and www.trededictionary.com
> Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology.
> Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding
> us that we are not the boss.
> Some people will buy products they do not understand and not buy books
> that will give them understanding.
>
Ignore this fool/
symplastless
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> http://www.livingston.net/dstaples/Services/salvage.htm
No, Don you are the so-called tree expert with no understanding of tree
biology. making false prophecies about the outcome of you salvage.
somebody would have be a fool to listen to you? You must consult yourself.
Your salvaging suggestions are the only example I require. You do not
salvage you way to good forest health. You fool. How's the wound dressing
industry Don? We all kicked them out of our states and they all went to Don
Staples in Texas. Staple even made it a law to use their product? And you
call me a fool? Just because you did not have any friend when you were a
kid, does not make me a fool, fool!
--
Sincerely,
John A. Keslick, Jr.
Consulting Tree Biologist
http://home.ccil.org/~treeman
and www.treedictionary.com
symplastless
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On May 24, 7:20?pm, Lady Penelope Creighton-Ward
<penel...@rescueteam.com> wrote:
> Could someone tell me if these trees are ill and what the treatment
> and prognosis might be:
>
> http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3035/2512191676_c688245b50_b.jpg
>
> Thanks so much!
Your spruce are sick. most likely some disease or pathogen. The
weeping trunks are a giveaway symptom of disease. Looks like a
blister rust of some sort. I doubt it is insects. As Joe said, the
road buildup may have impacted the roots thus weakening the trees and
making them predisposed to infection.
Trees this sick are hard to treat. I expect the branch die-back will
continue until they're dead. You might try fertilizer to improve tree
vigor.
you cannot alter vigor with fertilizer. Vigor is the capacity to resist
strain; a genetic factor, a potential force against any threats to survive.
We can not change this. Vigor is the capacity to survive when threatened.
Vigor is the capacity to resist strain. Another story - Vigor is the
genetic capacity of an organism to resist strain. Vitality is the ability
of an organism to grow under the conditions in which it finds itself.
Capacity is the potential; what an organism has. Ability is the dynamic;
what an organism does with what it has. Vigor can be measured by applying a
known stimulus, and then measuring the response. You do not know how
vigorous an organism is until you apply a stimulus that threatens its
survival. Vigor is the capacity to survive under increasing stimulae that
threaten survival. Vigor can not be increased, it is part of the genetic
program. Trees that compartmentalize more effectively than others are more
vigorous than those that compartmentalize poorly. When some abiotic agent
stresses trees, the trees that stay alive are those that are more vigorous.
Vitality is another subject. Vitality means to grow, to reproduce, to adapt
to the surroundings. Vitality is a dynamic condition. A tree could be very
low in vigor, yet high in vitality, and the converse could also occur. Much
can be done to increase vitality of a tree; "proper" fertilization (See
"Fertilizers"), soil aeration, "properly" watering. And, again, it is not
so important to argue over words, as it is to know that there are 2
different processes involved here, and they do overlap. However, if we want
more vigor, we go to genetics; if we want more vitality, we go to improved
cultural practices.
In other words: Vigor is a genetic feature; a capacity. If a tree has the
very best genetic code, yet is mistreated, it will suffer, and maybe die.
Vitality is a condition resulting from the type of treatments and the
ability of the tree to survive with high amounts of stored energy. If a
tree has a weak code, but receives excellent care, it will do much better
than a tree that has a great code, but is mistreated and has a very small
amount of energy reserves. Arborist can help or hurt trees. No one can
alter the vigor of a tree unless they are breeders or geneticists working on
better material for different sites and uses. Arborists work with vitality,
not other features. You can plant a tree with high vigor on a rock, or
mistreat it, and it will not grow as well as the tree with low vigor code,
yet receives excellent care.
The last thing you want to do is sock a tree with nitrogen that is getting
and trying to get smaller because lack of energy. Nitrogen will make parts
of the tree grow bigger. The tree cannot afford the mass it has now. How
is it going to support a bigger mass? maybe try some proper mulching and
microelement. Remember there are 17 essential elements and socking a tree
with nitrogen increases the demand for the other 16. When a microelement is
lacking it will be the fate. You should be more specific and explain what
elements to add and why.
There are value to symplastless trees. here are two good articles.
http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT2003/hardtoget/jk-79html/index.html
and
http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT2003/hardtoget/jk-64-html/index.html
They are based on an understanding of tree biology and by the US FOREST
SERVICE TOP QUALITY RESEARCH TEAM. The reasons we have so many problems
with forest in USA is because of a communication problem between practicing
foresters and researchers. Not my idea but published by NORTHERN LOGGER
AND TIMBER
http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT2003/hardtoget/ntb102/index.html
As DON STAPLES says, Don't believe me. believe it because you see if for
yourself.
Now chew me up.
D. Staples
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Ignore this fool.