Received: by 10.180.97.162 with SMTP id eb2mr5010632wib.0.1350928851591;
        Mon, 22 Oct 2012 11:00:51 -0700 (PDT)
Path: q11ni134409801wiw.1!nntp.google.com!goblin1!goblin2!goblin3!goblin.stu.neva.ru!news.franciliens.net!news.muarf.org!news.ecp.fr!news.glorb.com!border3.nntp.dca.giganews.com!Xl.tags.giganews.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!local2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!news.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail
NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2012 13:00:50 -0500
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2012 11:00:49 -0700
From: George Plimpton <geo...@si.not>
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:16.0) Gecko/20121010 Thunderbird/16.0.1
MIME-Version: 1.0
Newsgroups: alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian,alt.food.vegan,alt.agnosticism,alt.atheism,sci.skeptic
Subject: Re: Dietary ethics
References: <xKOdnZ92gd8V7tLNnZ2dnUVZ5rmdnZ2d@giganews.com> <96o1581r2nu8gp6867cunggmmsptbabjsi@4ax.com> <U66dnY7ovtY_eM3NnZ2dnUVZ5t6dnZ2d@giganews.com> <8nkc58t12u1cpus92d5eol939pdh1g7aro@4ax.com> <xvKdnXR-FsQvxsvNnZ2dnUVZ5g6dnZ2d@giganews.com> <sj7k58do0odncdqlteo28crp8v5idh03id@4ax.com> <JGs6s.10582$Cq6.7107@newsfe21.iad> <hc0r7812p6oapbdugtkpitedfv2hfvgian@4ax.com> <fYhfs.15320$vv4.5578@newsfe02.iad> <gvh088hd0d49134nvr988su4kdpp7qe2c4@4ax.com> <v1Yfs.5291$sB6.3145@newsfe08.iad> <s01b88lfi6jovn7jordgjqhofo46ntstvf@4ax.com>
In-Reply-To: <s01b88lfi6jovn7jordgjqhofo46ntstvf@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <lfadnZvpCZJPFBjNnZ2dnUVZ5gydnZ2d@giganews.com>
Lines: 67
X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com
X-Trace: sv3-2TUwXvZBAwddJXvB9d77pGSTQoWZU5WcE9AshvcR8u83jcsAndOBJqSMf37DzX+aHh6g6//2yXBThDu!9IPNBaflLNzqs0Mnh88VhX0JkCl29ehJtB4CJVq5PmWpYcHQDpIke8FG5zqFGFi0rqEKbIrPk08=
X-Complaints-To: abuse@giganews.com
X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html
X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers
X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly
X-Postfilter: 1.3.40
X-Original-Bytes: 3967
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

On 10/22/2012 10:41 AM, dh@. wrote:
> On Thu, 18 Oct 2012 11:38:48 -0700, Dutch <n...@email.com> wrote:
>
>> dh@. wrote:
>>> On Tue, 16 Oct 2012 11:46:03 -0700, Dutch <n...@email.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> dh@. wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 19 Sep 2012 16:32:22 -0700, Dutch <n...@email.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> dh@. wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sun, 16 Sep 2012 16:07:29 -0700, Goo desperately, feebly puled:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sun, 16 Sep 2012 18:30:22 -0400, dh@. wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 12 Sep 2012 12:42:24 -0700, Goo desperately puled:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 12 Sep 2012 15:24:08 -0400, dh@. wrote
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 11 Sep 2012 10:23:17 -0700, Goo wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 11 Sep 2012 11:19:05 -0400, dh@. wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>        Goober what do you think is preventing you from benefitting from your life
>>>>>>>>>>>>> now? If you think it has something to do with before you existed, then you need
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to say WHAT specifically, and HOW.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Coming into existence - "getting to experience life" - is not a benefit.
>>>>>>>>>>>>      It cannot be:  it does not improve an entity's welfare, and such a
>>>>>>>>>>>> welfare improvement is the definition of benefit.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>        How do you think that prevents you from benefitting now Goob?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> By definition
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>        How do you think the definition of benefit prevents you from benefitting now
>>>>>>>>> Goob? Try to explain it without mentioning pre-existence, Goo. You can't.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Coming into existence - "getting to
>>>>>>>> experience life" - does not improve an entity's welfare
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>         How do you think that's preventing you from benefitting now Goob?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There's no such thing.
>>>>>
>>>>>        As what?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Benefiting from your life".
>>>
>>>       You appear to benefit from yours.
>>
>> That's bullshit.
>
>      No. You're lying. You DO appear to.

No, he doesn't - because it's impossible.


>> I benefit from the good things *in* my life.
>
>      Those TOO.

No, not "too" - *only*.

Existence - "getting to experience life" - is not a benefit, because it 
cannot be one.