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George Plimpton  
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 More options Oct 22 2012, 2:00 pm
Newsgroups: alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian, alt.food.vegan, alt.agnosticism, alt.atheism, sci.skeptic
From: George Plimpton <geo...@si.not>
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2012 11:00:49 -0700
Local: Mon, Oct 22 2012 2:00 pm
Subject: Re: Dietary ethics
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On 10/22/2012 10:41 AM, dh@. wrote:

> On Thu, 18 Oct 2012 11:38:48 -0700, Dutch <n...@email.com> wrote:

>> dh@. wrote:
>>> On Tue, 16 Oct 2012 11:46:03 -0700, Dutch <n...@email.com> wrote:

>>>> dh@. wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 19 Sep 2012 16:32:22 -0700, Dutch <n...@email.com> wrote:

>>>>>> dh@. wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sun, 16 Sep 2012 16:07:29 -0700, Goo desperately, feebly puled:

>>>>>>>> On Sun, 16 Sep 2012 18:30:22 -0400, dh@. wrote:

>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 12 Sep 2012 12:42:24 -0700, Goo desperately puled:

>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 12 Sep 2012 15:24:08 -0400, dh@. wrote

>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 11 Sep 2012 10:23:17 -0700, Goo wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 11 Sep 2012 11:19:05 -0400, dh@. wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>>>        Goober what do you think is preventing you from benefitting from your life
>>>>>>>>>>>>> now? If you think it has something to do with before you existed, then you need
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to say WHAT specifically, and HOW.

>>>>>>>>>>>> Coming into existence - "getting to experience life" - is not a benefit.
>>>>>>>>>>>>      It cannot be:  it does not improve an entity's welfare, and such a
>>>>>>>>>>>> welfare improvement is the definition of benefit.

>>>>>>>>>>>        How do you think that prevents you from benefitting now Goob?

>>>>>>>>>> By definition

>>>>>>>>>        How do you think the definition of benefit prevents you from benefitting now
>>>>>>>>> Goob? Try to explain it without mentioning pre-existence, Goo. You can't.

>>>>>>>> Coming into existence - "getting to
>>>>>>>> experience life" - does not improve an entity's welfare

>>>>>>>         How do you think that's preventing you from benefitting now Goob?

>>>>>> There's no such thing.

>>>>>        As what?

>>>> "Benefiting from your life".

>>>       You appear to benefit from yours.

>> That's bullshit.

>      No. You're lying. You DO appear to.

No, he doesn't - because it's impossible.

>> I benefit from the good things *in* my life.

>      Those TOO.

No, not "too" - *only*.

Existence - "getting to experience life" - is not a benefit, because it
cannot be one.


 
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