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Is it true Fuckwit David Harrison - a convicted felon - doesn't care about animal welfare at all?
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George Plimpton
Nov 1, 2012, 2:21:45 PM11/1/12
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It is true.
It's not out of consideration for porcupines
that we don't raise them for food. It's because
they would be a pain in the ass to raise. We
don't raise cattle out of consideration for them
either, but because they're fairly easy to
raise.
Goo/Fuckwit David Harrison - Sep 26, 2005
I am not an extremist about it, and if I thought
that all of the animals I eat had terrible
lives, I would still eat meat. That is not
because I don't care about them at all, but I
would just ignore their suffering.
Goo/Fuckwit David Harrison - Nov 29, 1999
I would eat animals even if I thought that it was
cruel to them, and even if they gained nothing from
the deal. Is that what you want me to say? It is true.
But that doesn't mean that I can't still like the animals
also....
Goo/Fuckwit David Harrison - Sept 23, 1999
I don't try to eat ethically, because I don't really care enough
to make the effort.
Goo/Fuckwit David Harrison - July 31, 2003
Goo - Fuckwit David Harrison - only cares about the products and
services they provide - mainly meat, but also disgusting animal combats
that Goo enjoys watching.
It's not out of consideration for porcupines
that we don't raise them for food. It's because
they would be a pain in the ass to raise. We
don't raise cattle out of consideration for them
either, but because they're fairly easy to
raise.
Goo/Fuckwit David Harrison - Sep 26, 2005
I am not an extremist about it, and if I thought
that all of the animals I eat had terrible
lives, I would still eat meat. That is not
because I don't care about them at all, but I
would just ignore their suffering.
Goo/Fuckwit David Harrison - Nov 29, 1999
I would eat animals even if I thought that it was
cruel to them, and even if they gained nothing from
the deal. Is that what you want me to say? It is true.
But that doesn't mean that I can't still like the animals
also....
Goo/Fuckwit David Harrison - Sept 23, 1999
I don't try to eat ethically, because I don't really care enough
to make the effort.
Goo/Fuckwit David Harrison - July 31, 2003
Goo - Fuckwit David Harrison - only cares about the products and
services they provide - mainly meat, but also disgusting animal combats
that Goo enjoys watching.
Rupert
Nov 2, 2012, 5:15:56 AM11/2/12
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George Plimpton
Nov 2, 2012, 9:59:43 AM11/2/12
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confirm that the dairy cattle were extremely well treated.
Rupert
Nov 2, 2012, 10:02:35 AM11/2/12
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http://www.ciwf.org.uk/farm_animals/cows/dairy_cows/welfare_issues.aspx
You didn't see any evidence of those problems on this farm?
George Plimpton
Nov 2, 2012, 10:09:59 AM11/2/12
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You had that link just a little too handy, Woopert - highly suspect.
Rupert
Nov 2, 2012, 10:14:40 AM11/2/12
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from them shortly after birth, and also you wouldn't know about the
conditions of transportation to slaughter.
What do you mean? Why is it suspect that I had that link handy?
George Plimpton
Nov 2, 2012, 10:24:47 AM11/2/12
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answered truthfully that I did not. They had calves of various ages on
the farm. I didn't get close enough to them to determine the sex of any
of them.
> What do you mean? Why is it suspect that I had that link handy?
your "ar" bullshit - I have to look for them and then evaluate them each
time. It's like you're working from a set of written instructions on
how to be an agent-provocateur on this issue.
Rupert
Nov 2, 2012, 10:30:42 AM11/2/12
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> > What do you mean? Why is it suspect that I had that link handy?
>
> It's highly suspect. I don't have any links handy to sites that refute
> your "ar" bullshit - I have to look for them and then evaluate them each
> time. It's like you're working from a set of written instructions on
> how to be an agent-provocateur on this issue.
George Plimpton
Nov 2, 2012, 10:43:24 AM11/2/12
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>>> What do you mean? Why is it suspect that I had that link handy?
>>
>> It's highly suspect. I don't have any links handy to sites that refute
>> your "ar" bullshit - I have to look for them and then evaluate them each
>> time. It's like you're working from a set of written instructions on
>> how to be an agent-provocateur on this issue.
>
> Is that what you suspect, is it?
post to when you made the reply with that link. It's highly suspect
that you knew *just* where to find such a link in such a short time.
Rupert
Nov 2, 2012, 10:45:19 AM11/2/12
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George Plimpton
Nov 2, 2012, 10:58:30 AM11/2/12
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belong.
Rupert
Nov 2, 2012, 11:00:02 AM11/2/12
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the last year, remember.
George Plimpton
Nov 2, 2012, 11:03:50 AM11/2/12
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be in regular communication with your handlers no matter where you are.
It's not as if you couldn't have some searchable file for myriad "ar"
talking points that you have rehearsed.
Rupert
Nov 2, 2012, 11:09:24 AM11/2/12
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instructions on how to debate here?
Mr.Smartypants
Nov 3, 2012, 5:18:52 PM11/3/12
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decided it's "fuckwitted and wrong".
Rupert
Nov 4, 2012, 4:51:42 AM11/4/12
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dh
Nov 5, 2012, 3:43:43 PM11/5/12
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On Fri, 02 Nov 2012 06:59:43 -0700, Goo claimed:
>I visited a dairy farm last weekend,
That's probably a lie Goob.
>and I can
>confirm that the dairy cattle were extremely well treated.
Describe how the milking system is run, Goober, and how the cow are kept. In
or out Goo? How many in the milk area at a time and how many milking stations
Goob?
>I visited a dairy farm last weekend,
>and I can
>confirm that the dairy cattle were extremely well treated.
or out Goo? How many in the milk area at a time and how many milking stations
Goob?
dh
Nov 5, 2012, 3:44:11 PM11/5/12
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On Fri, 2 Nov 2012 02:15:56 -0700 (PDT), Rupert <rupertm...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
>How about you; do you care about animal welfare at all?
The Goober tells us that he eats meat:
"I eat meat." - Goo
"I consume meat. I consume it daily - I can't even remember a day in my life
when I didn't." - Goo
yet he also assures us that he doesn't believe any livestock benefit from human
influence on them:
"NO livestock benefit from being farmed." - Goo
"No farm animals benefit from farming." - Goo
"the moral harm caused by killing them is greater in magnitude
than ANY benefit they might derive from "decent lives" - Goo
"no matter how "decent" the conditions are, the deliberate killing
of the animals erases all of it." - Goo
"you MUST believe that it makes moral sense not
to raise the animals as the only way to prevent the harm that
results from killing them." - Goo
""giving them life" does NOT mitigate the wrongness of
their deaths" - Goo
"Causing animals to be born and "get to experience life"
(in Fuckwit's wretched prose) is no mitigation at all for
killing them." - Goo
How could Goo care about the quality of their lives when he doesn't believe
those who live in decent conditions benefit any more than those that live in
poor conditions? He tells us he believes none of them benefit yet he gladly
contributes to the situation none the less, so he claims.
wrote:
>How about you; do you care about animal welfare at all?
"I eat meat." - Goo
"I consume meat. I consume it daily - I can't even remember a day in my life
when I didn't." - Goo
yet he also assures us that he doesn't believe any livestock benefit from human
influence on them:
"NO livestock benefit from being farmed." - Goo
"No farm animals benefit from farming." - Goo
"the moral harm caused by killing them is greater in magnitude
than ANY benefit they might derive from "decent lives" - Goo
"no matter how "decent" the conditions are, the deliberate killing
of the animals erases all of it." - Goo
"you MUST believe that it makes moral sense not
to raise the animals as the only way to prevent the harm that
results from killing them." - Goo
""giving them life" does NOT mitigate the wrongness of
their deaths" - Goo
"Causing animals to be born and "get to experience life"
(in Fuckwit's wretched prose) is no mitigation at all for
killing them." - Goo
How could Goo care about the quality of their lives when he doesn't believe
those who live in decent conditions benefit any more than those that live in
poor conditions? He tells us he believes none of them benefit yet he gladly
contributes to the situation none the less, so he claims.
George Plimpton
Nov 5, 2012, 4:41:46 PM11/5/12
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Fuckwit David Harrison, the convicted felon who has no consideration for
animal welfare, lied:
>
>> and I can
>> confirm that the dairy cattle were extremely well treated.
>
> Describe how the milking system is run
It was run just fine, Fuckwit.
> and how the cow are kept.
These cows spend time indoors and outdoors, Fuckwit.
> How many in the milk area at a time and how many milking stations
There are two lines, Fuckwit. Six cows are led into a line and hooked
up to the milking machines. Once they're going, another six are led
into the line on the other side and hooked up to the machines. When the
first six are done, the farmer opens a gate and gives the lead cow a
little tap on the neck, and she walks out and the other five follow her.
Then another six are led in and hooked up. About then, the six on the
other side are done, and they're released to go back out. They keep
doing this until they're all done.
animal welfare, lied:
>
>> I visited a dairy farm last weekend,
>
> That's probably a lie
No, it's 100% true. It was in Villa Ridge, Illinois.
>> I visited a dairy farm last weekend,
>
> That's probably a lie
>
>> and I can
>> confirm that the dairy cattle were extremely well treated.
>
> Describe how the milking system is run
> and how the cow are kept.
> How many in the milk area at a time and how many milking stations
up to the milking machines. Once they're going, another six are led
into the line on the other side and hooked up to the machines. When the
first six are done, the farmer opens a gate and gives the lead cow a
little tap on the neck, and she walks out and the other five follow her.
Then another six are led in and hooked up. About then, the six on the
other side are done, and they're released to go back out. They keep
doing this until they're all done.
George Plimpton
Nov 5, 2012, 4:42:56 PM11/5/12
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On 11/5/2012 12:44 PM, dh@. wrote:
> On Fri, 2 Nov 2012 02:15:56 -0700 (PDT), Rupert <rupertm...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>> How about you; do you care about animal welfare at all?
>
> George Plimpton tells us that he eats meat:
> On Fri, 2 Nov 2012 02:15:56 -0700 (PDT), Rupert <rupertm...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>> How about you; do you care about animal welfare at all?
>
>
> "I eat meat." - George Plimpton
>
> "I consume meat. I consume it daily - I can't even remember a day in my life
> when I didn't." - George Plimpton
> "I consume meat. I consume it daily - I can't even remember a day in my life
>
>
> yet he also assures us that he doesn't believe any livestock benefit from human
> influence on them:
No, I said they don't benefit from coming into existence, and that's
>
> yet he also assures us that he doesn't believe any livestock benefit from human
> influence on them:
100% true: "getting to experience life", versus never existing, is not
a benefit. Proved.
Mr.Smartypants
Nov 6, 2012, 11:55:38 AM11/6/12
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full of bullshit.
dh
Nov 6, 2012, 11:57:13 AM11/6/12
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On Mon, 05 Nov 2012 13:41:46 -0800, Goo wrote:
>On Mon, 05 Nov 2012 15:43:43 -0500, dh@. wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 02 Nov 2012 06:59:43 -0700, Goo claimed:
>>
by a dairy farm? Is it always open to the public, or what?
>>>and I can
>>>confirm that the dairy cattle were extremely well treated.
>>
>> Describe how the milking system is run, Goober,
If it's a big open room, how are the feed troughs placed? What about water?
>>How many in the milk area at a time and how many milking stations
>>Goob?
>On Mon, 05 Nov 2012 15:43:43 -0500, dh@. wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 02 Nov 2012 06:59:43 -0700, Goo claimed:
>>
>>>I visited a dairy farm last weekend,
>>
>> That's probably a lie Goob.
>>
>
>No, it's 100% true. It was in Villa Ridge, Illinois.
You live in CA, Goo. So...IF you really were in Il, what caused you to drop
>No, it's 100% true. It was in Villa Ridge, Illinois.
by a dairy farm? Is it always open to the public, or what?
>>>and I can
>>>confirm that the dairy cattle were extremely well treated.
>>
>
>It was run just fine, Fuckwit.
>>and how the cow are kept. In or out Goo?
>It was run just fine, Fuckwit.
>
>These cows spend time indoors and outdoors, Fuckwit.
In the main barn do they have seperate stalls Goo, or is it a big open room?
>These cows spend time indoors and outdoors, Fuckwit.
If it's a big open room, how are the feed troughs placed? What about water?
>>How many in the milk area at a time and how many milking stations
>
>There are two lines, Fuckwit. Six cows are led into a line and hooked
>up to the milking machines. Once they're going, another six are led
>into the line on the other side and hooked up to the machines. When the
>first six are done, the farmer opens a gate and gives the lead cow a
>little tap on the neck, and she walks out and the other five follow her.
> Then another six are led in and hooked up. About then, the six on the
>other side are done, and they're released to go back out. They keep
>doing this until they're all done.
Very good Goo. About how many cows all together?
>There are two lines, Fuckwit. Six cows are led into a line and hooked
>up to the milking machines. Once they're going, another six are led
>into the line on the other side and hooked up to the machines. When the
>first six are done, the farmer opens a gate and gives the lead cow a
>little tap on the neck, and she walks out and the other five follow her.
> Then another six are led in and hooked up. About then, the six on the
>other side are done, and they're released to go back out. They keep
>doing this until they're all done.
dh
Nov 6, 2012, 11:59:11 AM11/6/12
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On Mon, 05 Nov 2012 13:42:56 -0800, Goo lied:
>On Mon, 05 Nov 2012 15:44:11 -0500, dh@. wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 2 Nov 2012 02:15:56 -0700 (PDT), Rupert <rupertm...@yahoo.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>How about you; do you care about animal welfare at all?
>>
>> The Goober tells us that he eats meat:
>>
>>"I eat meat." - Goo
you prove that whatever you're imagining actually IS preventing it.
>On Mon, 05 Nov 2012 15:44:11 -0500, dh@. wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 2 Nov 2012 02:15:56 -0700 (PDT), Rupert <rupertm...@yahoo.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>How about you; do you care about animal welfare at all?
>>
>>
>>"I eat meat." - Goo
>>
>>"I consume meat. I consume it daily - I can't even remember a day in my life
>>when I didn't." - Goo
>>"I consume meat. I consume it daily - I can't even remember a day in my life
>>
>>
>>
>>yet he also assures us that he doesn't believe any livestock benefit from human
>>influence on them:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>yet he also assures us that he doesn't believe any livestock benefit from human
>>influence on them:
>>
>>
>>
>>"NO livestock benefit from being farmed." - Goo
>>
>>"No farm animals benefit from farming." - Goo
>>
>>"the moral harm caused by killing them is greater in magnitude
>>than ANY benefit they might derive from "decent lives" - Goo
>>
>>"no matter how "decent" the conditions are, the deliberate killing
>>of the animals erases all of it." - Goo
>>
>>"you MUST believe that it makes moral sense not
>>to raise the animals as the only way to prevent the harm that
>>results from killing them." - Goo
>>
>>""giving them life" does NOT mitigate the wrongness of
>>their deaths" - Goo
>>
>>"Causing animals to be born and "get to experience life"
>>(in Fuckwit's wretched prose) is no mitigation at all for
>>killing them." - Goo
>
>>
>>"No farm animals benefit from farming." - Goo
>>
>>"the moral harm caused by killing them is greater in magnitude
>>than ANY benefit they might derive from "decent lives" - Goo
>>
>>"no matter how "decent" the conditions are, the deliberate killing
>>of the animals erases all of it." - Goo
>>
>>"you MUST believe that it makes moral sense not
>>to raise the animals as the only way to prevent the harm that
>>results from killing them." - Goo
>>
>>""giving them life" does NOT mitigate the wrongness of
>>their deaths" - Goo
>>
>>"Causing animals to be born and "get to experience life"
>>(in Fuckwit's wretched prose) is no mitigation at all for
>>killing them." - Goo
>
>No, I said they don't benefit from coming into existence, and that's
>100% true: "getting to experience life", versus never existing, is not
>a benefit. Proved.
You can't even suggest what might prevent it from being Goob, much less can
>100% true: "getting to experience life", versus never existing, is not
>a benefit. Proved.
you prove that whatever you're imagining actually IS preventing it.
George Plimpton
Nov 6, 2012, 12:31:10 PM11/6/12
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Fuckwit David Harrison, the convicted felon who has no consideration for
animal welfare, lied:
>>>
animal welfare, lied:
>>>
>>>> I visited a dairy farm last weekend,
>>>
>>> That's probably a lie Goob.
>>
>> No, it's 100% true. It was in Villa Ridge, Illinois.
>
> You live in CA, Prof. Plimpton.
>>>
>>> That's probably a lie Goob.
>>
>> No, it's 100% true. It was in Villa Ridge, Illinois.
>
Correct.
> So...IF you really were in Il,
> what caused you to drop by a dairy farm?
> Is it always open to the public, or what?
>>>> and I can
>>>> confirm that the dairy cattle were extremely well treated.
>>>
>>> Describe how the milking system is run
>>
>> It was run just fine, Fuckwit.
>
>>> and how the cow are kept.
>>
>
>>> and how the cow are kept.
>>
>> These cows spend time indoors and outdoors, Fuckwit.
>
> In the main barn do they have seperate stalls, or is it a big open room?
>
Big open room.
> If it's a big open room, how are the feed troughs placed? What about water?
>
>>> How many in the milk area at a time and how many milking stations
>>
>> There are two lines, Fuckwit. Six cows are led into a line and hooked
>> up to the milking machines. Once they're going, another six are led
>> into the line on the other side and hooked up to the machines. When the
>> first six are done, the farmer opens a gate and gives the lead cow a
>> little tap on the neck, and she walks out and the other five follow her.
>> Then another six are led in and hooked up. About then, the six on the
>> other side are done, and they're released to go back out. They keep
>> doing this until they're all done.
>
> Very good.
>> There are two lines, Fuckwit. Six cows are led into a line and hooked
>> up to the milking machines. Once they're going, another six are led
>> into the line on the other side and hooked up to the machines. When the
>> first six are done, the farmer opens a gate and gives the lead cow a
>> little tap on the neck, and she walks out and the other five follow her.
>> Then another six are led in and hooked up. About then, the six on the
>> other side are done, and they're released to go back out. They keep
>> doing this until they're all done.
>
It is, but not that you would know.
> About how many cows all together?
George Plimpton
Nov 6, 2012, 12:33:20 PM11/6/12
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Fuckwit David Harrison, the convicted felon who has no consideration for
animal welfare, lied:
>>>
animal welfare, lied:
>>>
>>>> How about you; do you care about animal welfare at all?
>>>
>>> Prof. Plimpton tells us that he eats meat:
>>>
>>>
>>> "I eat meat." - Prof. Plimpton
>>>
>>> "I consume meat. I consume it daily - I can't even remember a day in my life
>>> when I didn't." - Prof. Plimpton
>>> "I consume meat. I consume it daily - I can't even remember a day in my life
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> yet he also assures us that he doesn't believe any livestock benefit from human
>>> influence on them:
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> yet he also assures us that he doesn't believe any livestock benefit from human
>>> influence on them:
>>
>>
>> No, I said they don't benefit from coming into existence, and that's
>> 100% true: "getting to experience life", versus never existing, is not
>> a benefit. Proved.
>
> You can't even suggest what might prevent it
I've told you many times. It's the definition of benefit that prevents
>> 100% true: "getting to experience life", versus never existing, is not
>> a benefit. Proved.
>
> You can't even suggest what might prevent it
it. Coming into existence - "getting to experience life" - doesn't
improve an entity's welfare, and therefore cannot be a benefit.
Mr.Smartypants
Nov 6, 2012, 12:58:38 PM11/6/12
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On Nov 6, 10:31 am, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not> wrote:
> Fuckwit David Harrison, the convicted felon who has no consideration for
> animal welfare, lied:
>
>
>
> >>>> I visited a dairy farm last weekend,
>
> >>> That's probably a lie Goob.
>
> >> No, it's 100% true. It was in Villa Ridge, Illinois.
>
> > You live in CA, Prof. Plimpton.
>
> Correct.
>
> > So...IF you really were in Il,
>
> I was. I have the hotel and restaurant receipts to prove it.
>
> > what caused you to drop by a dairy farm?
>
> I have a connection to it.
>
Goo was a prolapse stuffer in his younger years. He felt it was a
> Fuckwit David Harrison, the convicted felon who has no consideration for
> animal welfare, lied:
>
>
>
> >>>> I visited a dairy farm last weekend,
>
> >>> That's probably a lie Goob.
>
> >> No, it's 100% true. It was in Villa Ridge, Illinois.
>
> > You live in CA, Prof. Plimpton.
>
> Correct.
>
> > So...IF you really were in Il,
>
> I was. I have the hotel and restaurant receipts to prove it.
>
> > what caused you to drop by a dairy farm?
>
> I have a connection to it.
>
calling.
dh
Nov 13, 2012, 4:39:04 PM11/13/12
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On Tue, 06 Nov 2012 09:33:20 -0800, the Goober wrote:
>On Tue, 06 Nov 2012 11:59:11 -0500, dh@. wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 05 Nov 2012 13:42:56 -0800, Goo lied:
>>
>>>On Mon, 05 Nov 2012 15:44:11 -0500, dh@. wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Fri, 2 Nov 2012 02:15:56 -0700 (PDT), Rupert <rupertm...@yahoo.com>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"I eat meat." - Goo
benefitting from your own life NOW?
>Coming into existence - "getting to experience life" - doesn't
>improve an entity's welfare, and therefore cannot be a benefit.
Goober, IF that's true how do you want people to pretend it's preventing you
from benefitting from your own life NOW?
>On Tue, 06 Nov 2012 11:59:11 -0500, dh@. wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 05 Nov 2012 13:42:56 -0800, Goo lied:
>>
>>>On Mon, 05 Nov 2012 15:44:11 -0500, dh@. wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Fri, 2 Nov 2012 02:15:56 -0700 (PDT), Rupert <rupertm...@yahoo.com>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>How about you; do you care about animal welfare at all?
>>>>
>>>> The Goober tells us that he eats meat:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"I eat meat." - Goo
>>>>
>>>>"I consume meat. I consume it daily - I can't even remember a day in my life
>>>>when I didn't." - Goo
>>>>"I consume meat. I consume it daily - I can't even remember a day in my life
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>yet he also assures us that he doesn't believe any livestock benefit from human
>>>>influence on them:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>yet he also assures us that he doesn't believe any livestock benefit from human
>>>>influence on them:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"NO livestock benefit from being farmed." - Goo
>>>>
>>>>"No farm animals benefit from farming." - Goo
>>>>
>>>>"the moral harm caused by killing them is greater in magnitude
>>>>than ANY benefit they might derive from "decent lives" - Goo
>>>>
>>>>"no matter how "decent" the conditions are, the deliberate killing
>>>>of the animals erases all of it." - Goo
>>>>
>>>>"you MUST believe that it makes moral sense not
>>>>to raise the animals as the only way to prevent the harm that
>>>>results from killing them." - Goo
>>>>
>>>>""giving them life" does NOT mitigate the wrongness of
>>>>their deaths" - Goo
>>>>
>>>>"Causing animals to be born and "get to experience life"
>>>>(in Fuckwit's wretched prose) is no mitigation at all for
>>>>killing them." - Goo
>>>
>>>>
>>>>"No farm animals benefit from farming." - Goo
>>>>
>>>>"the moral harm caused by killing them is greater in magnitude
>>>>than ANY benefit they might derive from "decent lives" - Goo
>>>>
>>>>"no matter how "decent" the conditions are, the deliberate killing
>>>>of the animals erases all of it." - Goo
>>>>
>>>>"you MUST believe that it makes moral sense not
>>>>to raise the animals as the only way to prevent the harm that
>>>>results from killing them." - Goo
>>>>
>>>>""giving them life" does NOT mitigate the wrongness of
>>>>their deaths" - Goo
>>>>
>>>>"Causing animals to be born and "get to experience life"
>>>>(in Fuckwit's wretched prose) is no mitigation at all for
>>>>killing them." - Goo
>>>
>>>No, I said they don't benefit from coming into existence, and that's
>>>100% true: "getting to experience life", versus never existing, is not
>>>a benefit. Proved.
>>
>>>100% true: "getting to experience life", versus never existing, is not
>>>a benefit. Proved.
>>
>> You can't even suggest what might prevent it from being Goob, much less can
>>you prove that whatever you're imagining actually IS preventing it.
>
>>you prove that whatever you're imagining actually IS preventing it.
>
>I've told you many times. It's the definition of benefit that prevents
>it.
Goober, how do you want people to pretend it's preventing you from
>it.
benefitting from your own life NOW?
>Coming into existence - "getting to experience life" - doesn't
>improve an entity's welfare, and therefore cannot be a benefit.
from benefitting from your own life NOW?
George Plimpton
Nov 14, 2012, 1:43:01 AM11/14/12
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Fuckwit David Harrison, fan of disgusting animal combats, lied:
>>>>>
>>>>>> How about you; do you care about animal welfare at all?
>>>>>
>>>>> The Goober tells us that he eats meat:
>>>>>
>>>>> "I eat meat." - Prof. Geo Plimpton
>>>>>
>>>>> "No farm animals benefit from farming." - Prof. Geo Plimpton
"Getting to experience life" is not a benefit, Fuckwit - it cannot be,
by definition.
>>>>>
>>>>>> How about you; do you care about animal welfare at all?
>>>>>
>>>>> The Goober tells us that he eats meat:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "I consume meat. I consume it daily - I can't even remember a day in my life
>>>>> when I didn't." - Prof. Geo Plimpton
>>>>> "I consume meat. I consume it daily - I can't even remember a day in my life
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> yet he also assures us that he doesn't believe any livestock benefit from human
>>>>> influence on them:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "NO livestock benefit from being farmed." - Prof. Geo Plimpton
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> yet he also assures us that he doesn't believe any livestock benefit from human
>>>>> influence on them:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "No farm animals benefit from farming." - Prof. Geo Plimpton
>>>>>
>>>>> "the moral harm caused by killing them is greater in magnitude
>>>>> than ANY benefit they might derive from "decent lives" - Prof. Geo Plimpton
>>>>> "the moral harm caused by killing them is greater in magnitude
>>>>>
>>>>> "no matter how "decent" the conditions are, the deliberate killing
>>>>> of the animals erases all of it." - Prof. Geo Plimpton
>>>>> "no matter how "decent" the conditions are, the deliberate killing
>>>>>
>>>>> "you MUST believe that it makes moral sense not
>>>>> to raise the animals as the only way to prevent the harm that
>>>>> results from killing them." - Prof. Geo Plimpton
>>>>> "you MUST believe that it makes moral sense not
>>>>> to raise the animals as the only way to prevent the harm that
>>>>>
>>>>> ""giving them life" does NOT mitigate the wrongness of
>>>>> their deaths" - Prof. Geo Plimpton
>>>>> ""giving them life" does NOT mitigate the wrongness of
>>>>>
>>>>> "Causing animals to be born and "get to experience life"
>>>>> (in Fuckwit's wretched prose) is no mitigation at all for
>>>>> killing them." - Prof. Geo Plimpton
>>>>> "Causing animals to be born and "get to experience life"
>>>>> (in Fuckwit's wretched prose) is no mitigation at all for
>>>>
>>>> No, I said they don't benefit from coming into existence, and that's
>>>> 100% true: "getting to experience life", versus never existing, is not
>>>> a benefit. Proved.
>>>
>>> You can't even suggest what might prevent it from being
>>
>>>> No, I said they don't benefit from coming into existence, and that's
>>>> 100% true: "getting to experience life", versus never existing, is not
>>>> a benefit. Proved.
>>>
>>> You can't even suggest what might prevent it from being
>>
>> I've told you many times. It's the definition of benefit that prevents
>> it.
>
> how do you want
>> it.
>
"Getting to experience life" is not a benefit, Fuckwit - it cannot be,
by definition.
Rupert
Nov 14, 2012, 5:50:41 AM11/14/12
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What goal will doing that help to achieve?
dh
Nov 14, 2012, 2:39:02 PM11/14/12
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On Wed, 14 Nov 2012 02:50:41 -0800 (PST), Rupert <rupertm...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
It helps promote acceptance of the elimination objective, but that's about
all it does. Unless he can eventually explain what he wants people to think
prevents it from being a benefit of course, but it's not likely he'll ever
figure that out. You can't figure out how it could possibly be of positive
value, and Goo can't figure out what could possibly prevent it from being a
benefit.
wrote:
all it does. Unless he can eventually explain what he wants people to think
prevents it from being a benefit of course, but it's not likely he'll ever
figure that out. You can't figure out how it could possibly be of positive
value, and Goo can't figure out what could possibly prevent it from being a
benefit.
George Plimpton
Nov 14, 2012, 4:35:43 PM11/14/12
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- that you have given no valid reason to oppose "ar". You are not an
"ar" opponent, Fuckwit - what you believe is nonsense.
dh
Nov 20, 2012, 1:40:04 PM11/20/12
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On Wed, 14 Nov 2012 13:35:43 -0800, Goo lied:
>On Wed, 14 Nov 2012 14:39:02 -0500, dh@. wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 14 Nov 2012 02:50:41 -0800 (PST), Rupert <rupertm...@yahoo.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Nov 14, 7:43 am, the Goober tried to reassure eliminationists that:
. . .
appreciate the fact that billions of animals experience lives of positive value
because they're raised for food. ONLY eliminationists have reason to oppose
taking those billions of lives into consideration Goob, so you expose yourself
every time you oppose doing so. Duh Goo, duh.
>On Wed, 14 Nov 2012 14:39:02 -0500, dh@. wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 14 Nov 2012 02:50:41 -0800 (PST), Rupert <rupertm...@yahoo.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>> "Getting to experience life" is not a benefit, Fuckwit - it cannot be,
>>>> by definition.
>>>
>>>What exactly is the point of saying that to him over and over again?
>>>What goal will doing that help to achieve?
>>
>>>> "Getting to experience life" is not a benefit, Fuckwit - it cannot be,
>>>> by definition.
>>>
>>>What exactly is the point of saying that to him over and over again?
>>>What goal will doing that help to achieve?
>>
>> It helps promote acceptance of the elimination objective, but that's about
>>all it does. Unless he can eventually explain what he wants people to think
>>prevents it from being a benefit of course, but it's not likely he'll ever
>>figure that out. You can't figure out how it could possibly be of positive
>>value, and Goo can't figure out what could possibly prevent it from being a
>>benefit.
>
>>all it does. Unless he can eventually explain what he wants people to think
>>prevents it from being a benefit of course, but it's not likely he'll ever
>>figure that out. You can't figure out how it could possibly be of positive
>>value, and Goo can't figure out what could possibly prevent it from being a
>>benefit.
>
>No, that's not what it's for
I pointed out exactly what it's for Goo.
. . .
>you have given no valid reason to oppose "ar". You are not an
>"ar" opponent, Fuckwit - what you believe is nonsense.
Goober anyone who honestly favors decent AW over elimination should
>"ar" opponent, Fuckwit - what you believe is nonsense.
appreciate the fact that billions of animals experience lives of positive value
because they're raised for food. ONLY eliminationists have reason to oppose
taking those billions of lives into consideration Goob, so you expose yourself
every time you oppose doing so. Duh Goo, duh.
George Plimpton
Nov 20, 2012, 2:16:22 PM11/20/12
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Fuckwit David Harrison, dog-fighting fan, lied:
>>>>
>>>>> "Getting to experience life" is not a benefit, Fuckwit - it cannot be,
>>>>> by definition.
>>>>
>>>> What exactly is the point of saying that to him over and over again?
>>>> What goal will doing that help to achieve?
>>>
>>> It helps promote acceptance of the elimination objective, but
>>> benefit.
>>
>> No, that's not what it's for, Fuckwit. It's to point out to you - yes! - that you have given no valid reason to oppose "ar". You are not an "ar" opponent, Fuckwit - what you believe is nonsense.
don't care about animal welfare in the least:
It's not out of consideration for porcupines
that we don't raise them for food. It's because
they would be a pain in the ass to raise. We
don't raise cattle out of consideration for them
either, but because they're fairly easy to
raise.
Goo/Fuckwit David Harrison - Sep 26, 2005
I am not an extremist about it, and if I thought
that all of the animals I eat had terrible
lives, I would still eat meat. That is not
because I don't care about them at all, but I
would just ignore their suffering.
Goo/Fuckwit David Harrison - Nov 29, 1999
I would eat animals even if I thought that it was
cruel to them, and even if they gained nothing from
the deal. Is that what you want me to say? It is true.
But that doesn't mean that I can't still like the animals
also....
Goo/Fuckwit David Harrison - Sept 23, 1999
I don't try to eat ethically, because I don't really care enough
to make the effort.
Goo/Fuckwit David Harrison - July 31, 2003
You only care about the products and services they provide - mainly
meat, but also disgusting animal combats that you enjoy watching.
>>>>
>>>>> "Getting to experience life" is not a benefit, Fuckwit - it cannot be,
>>>>> by definition.
>>>>
>>>> What exactly is the point of saying that to him over and over again?
>>>> What goal will doing that help to achieve?
>>>
>>> It helps promote acceptance of the elimination objective, but
>>
>> No, that's not what it's for, Fuckwit. It's to point out to you - yes! - that you have given no valid reason to oppose "ar". You are not an "ar" opponent, Fuckwit - what you believe is nonsense.
>
> anyone who honestly favors decent AW over elimination
False choice. *YOU* don't favor "decent AW" [sic] at all, Fuckwit - you
> anyone who honestly favors decent AW over elimination
don't care about animal welfare in the least:
It's not out of consideration for porcupines
that we don't raise them for food. It's because
they would be a pain in the ass to raise. We
don't raise cattle out of consideration for them
either, but because they're fairly easy to
raise.
Goo/Fuckwit David Harrison - Sep 26, 2005
I am not an extremist about it, and if I thought
that all of the animals I eat had terrible
lives, I would still eat meat. That is not
because I don't care about them at all, but I
would just ignore their suffering.
Goo/Fuckwit David Harrison - Nov 29, 1999
I would eat animals even if I thought that it was
cruel to them, and even if they gained nothing from
the deal. Is that what you want me to say? It is true.
But that doesn't mean that I can't still like the animals
also....
Goo/Fuckwit David Harrison - Sept 23, 1999
I don't try to eat ethically, because I don't really care enough
to make the effort.
Goo/Fuckwit David Harrison - July 31, 2003
meat, but also disgusting animal combats that you enjoy watching.
dh
Nov 22, 2012, 2:16:43 PM11/22/12
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On Tue, 20 Nov 2012 11:16:22 -0800, Goo wrote:
>You only care about the products and services they provide - mainly
>meat, but also disgusting animal combats that you enjoy watching.
>You only care about the products and services they provide - mainly
>meat, but also disgusting animal combats that you enjoy watching.
"I eat meat." - Goo
"It is morally wrong, in an absolute sense - unjust, in other
words - if humans kill animals they don't need to kill, i.e. not
in self defense. There's your answer. " - Goo
"logically one MUST conclude that not raising them in the
first place is the ethically superior choice." - Goo
George Plimpton
Nov 22, 2012, 2:25:41 PM11/22/12
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Fuckwit David Harrison, a convicted felon who has no consideration for
animals' lives *or* welfare, wussed out:
You only care about the products from animals, Goo. You have no
consideration for their lives or welfare. This has been proved beyond
rational dispute.
animals' lives *or* welfare, wussed out:
>
>> You only care about the products and services they provide - mainly
>> meat, but also disgusting animal combats that you enjoy watching.
>
> [snip Fuckwit's craven gutless wuss-out]
>> You only care about the products and services they provide - mainly
>> meat, but also disgusting animal combats that you enjoy watching.
>
You only care about the products from animals, Goo. You have no
consideration for their lives or welfare. This has been proved beyond
rational dispute.
dh
Nov 26, 2012, 12:59:54 PM11/26/12
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On Thu, 22 Nov 2012 11:25:41 -0800, Goo boasted:
>On Thu, 22 Nov 2012 14:16:43 -0500, dh@. wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 20 Nov 2012 11:16:22 -0800, Goo wrote:
>>
think it's something to be proud of Goo? I've asked you countless times to try
explaining how you think anti-consideration is superior to having consideration,
but you can never say. Try explaining now Goob. Go:
>On Thu, 22 Nov 2012 14:16:43 -0500, dh@. wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 20 Nov 2012 11:16:22 -0800, Goo wrote:
>>
>>>You only care about the products and services they provide - mainly
>>>meat, but also disgusting animal combats that you enjoy watching.
>>
>>>meat, but also disgusting animal combats that you enjoy watching.
>>
>>"I eat meat." - Goo
>>
>>"It is morally wrong, in an absolute sense - unjust, in other
>>words - if humans kill animals they don't need to kill, i.e. not
>>in self defense. There's your answer. " - Goo
>>
>>"logically one MUST conclude that not raising them in the
>>first place is the ethically superior choice." - Goo
>
>>
>>"It is morally wrong, in an absolute sense - unjust, in other
>>words - if humans kill animals they don't need to kill, i.e. not
>>in self defense. There's your answer. " - Goo
>>
>>"logically one MUST conclude that not raising them in the
>>first place is the ethically superior choice." - Goo
>
>You only care about the products from animals, Goo.
LOL! I know you don't Goo. I proved you don't using YOUR own quotes. Do you
think it's something to be proud of Goo? I've asked you countless times to try
explaining how you think anti-consideration is superior to having consideration,
but you can never say. Try explaining now Goob. Go:
George Plimpton
Nov 26, 2012, 1:17:08 PM11/26/12
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Fuckwit David Harrison, a convicted felon who has no consideration for
animals' lives *or* welfare, wussed out:
>
animals' lives *or* welfare, wussed out:
>
>> You only care about the products and services they provide - mainly
>> meat, but also disgusting animal combats that you enjoy watching.
>
>> meat, but also disgusting animal combats that you enjoy watching.
>
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