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Jan 22, 2012, 2:42:15 PM1/22/12
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Hindu Goddesses of War
One of the astonishing phenomena in ancient mythology is the existence
of goddesses of war, which contrasts with the absence of women from
the actual scene of war. For hundreds or even thousands of years of
wars between rival tribes, peoples and countries, women have been
excluded from one of the central occupations of human beings; but the
appearance of goddesses of war persisted as long as there were any
goddesses left in any pagan pantheon all round the globe, from America
to the Far East to the Near East and Europe.
A Great Mother goddess of war is also the Hindu Kali, known both for
her cruelty and for her motherly care for all creation. Kali is
sometimes considered an aspect of another Hindu war goddess, Durga,
about whom the following story is told on the site ‘Goddesses of War’:
Durga, a fierce warrior, was born during a lengthy battle between the
Hindu gods and an army of demons. In desperation, the gods gathered
together and breathed in unison. A ferocious fire blazed forth from
their mouths, out of which Durga was born — a fully grown warrior,
ready to fight.
The gods quickly gave her a lion (or, some say, a tiger), to mount,
and a weapon for each of her ten hands. Durga advanced toward the
demons — one of them in the form of a buffalo, which is reminiscent of
the Chinese story cited above. As her arms flashed with their weapons,
within moments she had slaughtered all the demons.
On a site dedicated to her particularly, Durga is said to represent
the power of the Supreme Being Shiva, to whom she was married, who
preserves moral order and righteousness in creation. She is called
“Divine Mother”, and one of her epithets is Maha, which means “Great”
or “Terrific.” She had three divine children, two sons and a daughter.
Durga’s festival is celebrated in the autumn, in the months
corresponding to September/October; and the Wikipedia comments that
“The worship of Durga in the autumn is the year’s most major festival
in East India.” These autumn months are when the monsoon’s torrential
rains hit India. These rains are both punishing in their destructive
force and the killing of many people and beneficial by being India’s
main source of fertility.
Taking Durga as an example of an all-around war goddess, it has been
said that she “protects mankind from evil and misery by destroying
evil forces such as selfishness, jealousy, prejudice, hatred, anger,
and ego.”; At another website it is said that she “symbolizes triumph
over evil.” But the idea of evil has no place in the pagan, natural
scheme of things; it is an artificial idea, that fits more into the
late Hindu religion of ideas than into the natural world, to which the
Great Mother (as Durga is said to be) would belong. The Great Mother,
as a ruler of the Underworld besides being the ruler of Earth and
Heaven, is also a goddess of wisdom and judgment. On the whole, she is
both beneficial and punishing, as any good mother should be.
One of the astonishing phenomena in ancient mythology is the existence
of goddesses of war, which contrasts with the absence of women from
the actual scene of war. For hundreds or even thousands of years of
wars between rival tribes, peoples and countries, women have been
excluded from one of the central occupations of human beings; but the
appearance of goddesses of war persisted as long as there were any
goddesses left in any pagan pantheon all round the globe, from America
to the Far East to the Near East and Europe.
A Great Mother goddess of war is also the Hindu Kali, known both for
her cruelty and for her motherly care for all creation. Kali is
sometimes considered an aspect of another Hindu war goddess, Durga,
about whom the following story is told on the site ‘Goddesses of War’:
Durga, a fierce warrior, was born during a lengthy battle between the
Hindu gods and an army of demons. In desperation, the gods gathered
together and breathed in unison. A ferocious fire blazed forth from
their mouths, out of which Durga was born — a fully grown warrior,
ready to fight.
The gods quickly gave her a lion (or, some say, a tiger), to mount,
and a weapon for each of her ten hands. Durga advanced toward the
demons — one of them in the form of a buffalo, which is reminiscent of
the Chinese story cited above. As her arms flashed with their weapons,
within moments she had slaughtered all the demons.
On a site dedicated to her particularly, Durga is said to represent
the power of the Supreme Being Shiva, to whom she was married, who
preserves moral order and righteousness in creation. She is called
“Divine Mother”, and one of her epithets is Maha, which means “Great”
or “Terrific.” She had three divine children, two sons and a daughter.
Durga’s festival is celebrated in the autumn, in the months
corresponding to September/October; and the Wikipedia comments that
“The worship of Durga in the autumn is the year’s most major festival
in East India.” These autumn months are when the monsoon’s torrential
rains hit India. These rains are both punishing in their destructive
force and the killing of many people and beneficial by being India’s
main source of fertility.
Taking Durga as an example of an all-around war goddess, it has been
said that she “protects mankind from evil and misery by destroying
evil forces such as selfishness, jealousy, prejudice, hatred, anger,
and ego.”; At another website it is said that she “symbolizes triumph
over evil.” But the idea of evil has no place in the pagan, natural
scheme of things; it is an artificial idea, that fits more into the
late Hindu religion of ideas than into the natural world, to which the
Great Mother (as Durga is said to be) would belong. The Great Mother,
as a ruler of the Underworld besides being the ruler of Earth and
Heaven, is also a goddess of wisdom and judgment. On the whole, she is
both beneficial and punishing, as any good mother should be.
fanabba
Jan 22, 2012, 4:48:30 PM1/22/12
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(Koran 9:5 : Verse of the Sword: "Slay the idolaters wherever you
find
them.")
Islam cannot be reformed.
Prophet of Doom
http://www.prophetofdoom.net/
Former Muslims Tell the Truth About Islam
http://www.islam-watch.org/
http://www.faithfreedom.org/
uNmaivirumbi
Jan 22, 2012, 5:22:26 PM1/22/12
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Good. You seem to be learning. God can manifest in any form He/She
chooses!
Islam does not make sense
chooses!
Islam does not make sense
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Jan 22, 2012, 5:26:58 PM1/22/12
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In article <885153e2-695b-4f1d...@k6g2000vbz.googlegroups.com>,
arah <arahar...@gmail.com> posted:
> =94
> or =93Terrific.=94 She had three divine children, two sons and a daughter.
>
> Durga=92s festival is celebrated in the autumn, in the months
> in East India.=94 These autumn months are when the monsoon=92s torrential
> over evil.=94 But the idea of evil has no place in the pagan, natural
Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti
arah <arahar...@gmail.com> posted:
>
> Hindu Goddesses of War
>
> One of the astonishing phenomena in ancient mythology is the existence
> of goddesses of war, which contrasts with the absence of women from
> the actual scene of war. For hundreds or even thousands of years of
> wars between rival tribes, peoples and countries, women have been
> excluded from one of the central occupations of human beings; but the
> appearance of goddesses of war persisted as long as there were any
> goddesses left in any pagan pantheon all round the globe, from America
> to the Far East to the Near East and Europe.
>
> A Great Mother goddess of war is also the Hindu Kali, known both for
> her cruelty and for her motherly care for all creation. Kali is
> sometimes considered an aspect of another Hindu war goddess, Durga,
> about whom the following story is told on the site =91Goddesses of War=92:
> Hindu Goddesses of War
>
> One of the astonishing phenomena in ancient mythology is the existence
> of goddesses of war, which contrasts with the absence of women from
> the actual scene of war. For hundreds or even thousands of years of
> wars between rival tribes, peoples and countries, women have been
> excluded from one of the central occupations of human beings; but the
> appearance of goddesses of war persisted as long as there were any
> goddesses left in any pagan pantheon all round the globe, from America
> to the Far East to the Near East and Europe.
>
> A Great Mother goddess of war is also the Hindu Kali, known both for
> her cruelty and for her motherly care for all creation. Kali is
> sometimes considered an aspect of another Hindu war goddess, Durga,
>
> Durga, a fierce warrior, was born during a lengthy battle between the
> Hindu gods and an army of demons. In desperation, the gods gathered
> together and breathed in unison. A ferocious fire blazed forth from
> their mouths, out of which Durga was born =97 a fully grown warrior,
> Durga, a fierce warrior, was born during a lengthy battle between the
> Hindu gods and an army of demons. In desperation, the gods gathered
> together and breathed in unison. A ferocious fire blazed forth from
> ready to fight.
>
> The gods quickly gave her a lion (or, some say, a tiger), to mount,
> and a weapon for each of her ten hands. Durga advanced toward the
> demons =97 one of them in the form of a buffalo, which is reminiscent of
>
> The gods quickly gave her a lion (or, some say, a tiger), to mount,
> and a weapon for each of her ten hands. Durga advanced toward the
> the Chinese story cited above. As her arms flashed with their weapons,
> within moments she had slaughtered all the demons.
>
> On a site dedicated to her particularly, Durga is said to represent
> the power of the Supreme Being Shiva, to whom she was married, who
> preserves moral order and righteousness in creation. She is called
> =93Divine Mother=94, and one of her epithets is Maha, which means =93Great=
> within moments she had slaughtered all the demons.
>
> On a site dedicated to her particularly, Durga is said to represent
> the power of the Supreme Being Shiva, to whom she was married, who
> preserves moral order and righteousness in creation. She is called
> =94
> or =93Terrific.=94 She had three divine children, two sons and a daughter.
>
> Durga=92s festival is celebrated in the autumn, in the months
> corresponding to September/October; and the Wikipedia comments that
> =93The worship of Durga in the autumn is the year=92s most major festival
> in East India.=94 These autumn months are when the monsoon=92s torrential
> rains hit India. These rains are both punishing in their destructive
> force and the killing of many people and beneficial by being India=92s
> main source of fertility.
>
> Taking Durga as an example of an all-around war goddess, it has been
> said that she =93protects mankind from evil and misery by destroying
>
> Taking Durga as an example of an all-around war goddess, it has been
> evil forces such as selfishness, jealousy, prejudice, hatred, anger,
> and ego.=94; At another website it is said that she =93symbolizes triumph
> over evil.=94 But the idea of evil has no place in the pagan, natural
> scheme of things; it is an artificial idea, that fits more into the
> late Hindu religion of ideas than into the natural world, to which the
> Great Mother (as Durga is said to be) would belong. The Great Mother,
> as a ruler of the Underworld besides being the ruler of Earth and
> Heaven, is also a goddess of wisdom and judgment. On the whole, she is
> both beneficial and punishing, as any good mother should be.
Jai Durga Devi!
> late Hindu religion of ideas than into the natural world, to which the
> Great Mother (as Durga is said to be) would belong. The Great Mother,
> as a ruler of the Underworld besides being the ruler of Earth and
> Heaven, is also a goddess of wisdom and judgment. On the whole, she is
> both beneficial and punishing, as any good mother should be.
Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti
uNmaivirumbi
Jan 22, 2012, 5:47:12 PM1/22/12
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On Jan 22, 5:26 pm, use...@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr.
Jai Maharaj) wrote:
> In article <885153e2-695b-4f1d-a14c-cd6da824c...@k6g2000vbz.googlegroups.com>,
> arah <araharah2...@gmail.com> posted:
> Jai Durga Devi!
Jai Jagadambe!
Please destroy all evil
Protect the good people!
Jai Maharaj) wrote:
> In article <885153e2-695b-4f1d-a14c-cd6da824c...@k6g2000vbz.googlegroups.com>,
> arah <araharah2...@gmail.com> posted:
> Jai Durga Devi!
Jai Jagadambe!
Please destroy all evil
Protect the good people!
Myself Mallu, Yourself?
Jan 23, 2012, 12:31:53 AM1/23/12
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And may Lady Kaka never sing Why This Kolaveri Di.
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"Jade Muckeraj" aka "The Old Cow of Hawaii" <char...@fraudsrus.com>
tries her best to pretend she is a Hindu -- cutting and pasting, and
even doctoring what others post/write about Hindus/Hinduism on the
internet, deliberately pidginizing Sanskrit and providing wrong
translations, inventing brand new books in the Mahabharat (reducing it
to Muckabharat), stalking and abusing people who disagree with her by
hijacking their posts, and then cuts and pastes about Hindu ethics and
moans self-righteously about honesty -- and succeeds spectacularly in
convincing all, except other jihadi loons, that she is not a Hindu.
She is in fact a creepy jihadi loon, who thinks she owns the newsgroup
s.c.indian, and has absolutely no problem slandering anyone. As a
Indian citizen supposedly, she meddles in US political issues, and
advocates civil war in India.
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Jan 23, 2012, 1:58:18 AM1/23/12
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On 22/01/2012 10:26 PM, Dr. Jai Maharaj Sad Monkey
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Jan 23, 2012, 3:09:38 AM1/23/12
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In article <da54ed10-6ecb-4c5e...@n6g2000vbz.googlegroups.com>,
uNmaivirumbi <tripur...@yahoo.com> posted:
>
> Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
>
> > In article <885153e2-695b-4f1d-a14c-cd6da824c...@k6g2000vbz.googlegroups.=
> com>,
> > =A0arah <araharah2...@gmail.com> posted:
uNmaivirumbi <tripur...@yahoo.com> posted:
>
> Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
>
> > In article <885153e2-695b-4f1d-a14c-cd6da824c...@k6g2000vbz.googlegroups.=
> com>,
> > =A0arah <araharah2...@gmail.com> posted:
>
> > Jai Durga Devi!
>
> Jai Jagadambe!
>
> Please destroy all evil
>
> Protect the good people!
Jai Jai Jagadambe Mata!
> > Jai Durga Devi!
>
> Jai Jagadambe!
>
> Please destroy all evil
>
> Protect the good people!
and/or www.mantra.com/jai
Jan 23, 2012, 3:10:45 AM1/23/12
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In article <08bc1709-c975-49eb...@t2g2000yqk.googlegroups.com>,
fanabba <fan...@aol.com> posted:
> t=94
> > or =93Terrific.=94 She had three divine children, two sons and a daughter=
> ..
> >
> > Durga=92s festival is celebrated in the autumn, in the months
> > in East India.=94 These autumn months are when the monsoon=92s torrential
> > over evil.=94 But the idea of evil has no place in the pagan, natural
fanabba <fan...@aol.com> posted:
>
> On Jan 22, 2:42=A0pm, arah <araharah2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hindu Goddesses of War
> >
> > One of the astonishing phenomena in ancient mythology is the existence
> > of goddesses of war, which contrasts with the absence of women from
> > the actual scene of war. For hundreds or even thousands of years of
> > wars between rival tribes, peoples and countries, women have been
> > excluded from one of the central occupations of human beings; but the
> > appearance of goddesses of war persisted as long as there were any
> > goddesses left in any pagan pantheon all round the globe, from America
> > to the Far East to the Near East and Europe.
> >
> > A Great Mother goddess of war is also the Hindu Kali, known both for
> > her cruelty and for her motherly care for all creation. Kali is
> > sometimes considered an aspect of another Hindu war goddess, Durga,
> > about whom the following story is told on the site =91Goddesses of War=92=
> On Jan 22, 2:42=A0pm, arah <araharah2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hindu Goddesses of War
> >
> > One of the astonishing phenomena in ancient mythology is the existence
> > of goddesses of war, which contrasts with the absence of women from
> > the actual scene of war. For hundreds or even thousands of years of
> > wars between rival tribes, peoples and countries, women have been
> > excluded from one of the central occupations of human beings; but the
> > appearance of goddesses of war persisted as long as there were any
> > goddesses left in any pagan pantheon all round the globe, from America
> > to the Far East to the Near East and Europe.
> >
> > A Great Mother goddess of war is also the Hindu Kali, known both for
> > her cruelty and for her motherly care for all creation. Kali is
> > sometimes considered an aspect of another Hindu war goddess, Durga,
> :
> >
> > Durga, a fierce warrior, was born during a lengthy battle between the
> > Hindu gods and an army of demons. In desperation, the gods gathered
> > together and breathed in unison. A ferocious fire blazed forth from
> > their mouths, out of which Durga was born =97 a fully grown warrior,
> >
> > Durga, a fierce warrior, was born during a lengthy battle between the
> > Hindu gods and an army of demons. In desperation, the gods gathered
> > together and breathed in unison. A ferocious fire blazed forth from
> > ready to fight.
> >
> > The gods quickly gave her a lion (or, some say, a tiger), to mount,
> > and a weapon for each of her ten hands. Durga advanced toward the
> > demons =97 one of them in the form of a buffalo, which is reminiscent of
> >
> > The gods quickly gave her a lion (or, some say, a tiger), to mount,
> > and a weapon for each of her ten hands. Durga advanced toward the
> > the Chinese story cited above. As her arms flashed with their weapons,
> > within moments she had slaughtered all the demons.
> >
> > On a site dedicated to her particularly, Durga is said to represent
> > the power of the Supreme Being Shiva, to whom she was married, who
> > preserves moral order and righteousness in creation. She is called
> > =93Divine Mother=94, and one of her epithets is Maha, which means =93Grea=
> > within moments she had slaughtered all the demons.
> >
> > On a site dedicated to her particularly, Durga is said to represent
> > the power of the Supreme Being Shiva, to whom she was married, who
> > preserves moral order and righteousness in creation. She is called
> t=94
> > or =93Terrific.=94 She had three divine children, two sons and a daughter=
> ..
> >
> > Durga=92s festival is celebrated in the autumn, in the months
> > corresponding to September/October; and the Wikipedia comments that
> > =93The worship of Durga in the autumn is the year=92s most major festival
> > in East India.=94 These autumn months are when the monsoon=92s torrential
> > rains hit India. These rains are both punishing in their destructive
> > force and the killing of many people and beneficial by being India=92s
> > main source of fertility.
> >
> > Taking Durga as an example of an all-around war goddess, it has been
> > said that she =93protects mankind from evil and misery by destroying
> >
> > Taking Durga as an example of an all-around war goddess, it has been
> > evil forces such as selfishness, jealousy, prejudice, hatred, anger,
> > and ego.=94; At another website it is said that she =93symbolizes triumph
> > over evil.=94 But the idea of evil has no place in the pagan, natural
> > scheme of things; it is an artificial idea, that fits more into the
> > late Hindu religion of ideas than into the natural world, to which the
> > Great Mother (as Durga is said to be) would belong. The Great Mother,
> > as a ruler of the Underworld besides being the ruler of Earth and
> > Heaven, is also a goddess of wisdom and judgment. On the whole, she is
> > both beneficial and punishing, as any good mother should be.
>
> Why does Islam call for killing of idolaters ?
> (Koran 9:5 : Verse of the Sword: "Slay the idolaters wherever you
> find
> them.")
>
> Islam cannot be reformed.
>
>
> Prophet of Doom
> http://www.prophetofdoom.net/
>
>
> Former Muslims Tell the Truth About Islam
> http://www.islam-watch.org/
> http://www.faithfreedom.org/
Dhanyavaad for your post!
> > late Hindu religion of ideas than into the natural world, to which the
> > Great Mother (as Durga is said to be) would belong. The Great Mother,
> > as a ruler of the Underworld besides being the ruler of Earth and
> > Heaven, is also a goddess of wisdom and judgment. On the whole, she is
> > both beneficial and punishing, as any good mother should be.
>
> Why does Islam call for killing of idolaters ?
> (Koran 9:5 : Verse of the Sword: "Slay the idolaters wherever you
> find
> them.")
>
> Islam cannot be reformed.
>
>
> Prophet of Doom
> http://www.prophetofdoom.net/
>
>
> Former Muslims Tell the Truth About Islam
> http://www.islam-watch.org/
> http://www.faithfreedom.org/
dh
Jan 30, 2012, 3:33:52 PM1/30/12
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Goo.
and/or www.mantra.com/jai
Jan 30, 2012, 3:42:08 PM1/30/12
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and/or www.mantra.com/jai
Jan 30, 2012, 3:46:31 PM1/30/12
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In article <da54ed10-6ecb-4c5e...@n6g2000vbz.googlegroups.com[,
uNmaivirumbi <tripur...@yahoo.com[ posted:
[
uNmaivirumbi <tripur...@yahoo.com[ posted:
[ Jai Jagadambe!
[
[ Please destroy all evil
[
[ Protect the good people!
Jai Jai Jagadambe Mata!
[ Please destroy all evil
[
[ Protect the good people!
Jai Jai Jagadambe Mata!
and/or www.mantra.com/jai
Jan 30, 2012, 3:51:44 PM1/30/12
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dh@. posted:
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> alt.food.vegan,alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian
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> Goo.
dh@. posted:
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> Goo.
In article <da54ed10-6ecb-4c5e...@n6g2000vbz.googlegroups.com[,
uNmaivirumbi <tripur...@yahoo.com[ posted:
[
[ Jai Jagadambe!
[
[ Please destroy all evil
[
[ Protect the good people!
Jai Jai Jagadambe Mata!
uNmaivirumbi <tripur...@yahoo.com[ posted:
[
[ Jai Jagadambe!
[
[ Please destroy all evil
[
[ Protect the good people!
Jai Jai Jagadambe Mata!
pundit.har...@inderoam.com
Jan 30, 2012, 5:38:41 PM1/30/12
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"appearance of goddesses of war persisted as long as there were any
goddesses left in any pagan pantheon all round the globe, from America to
the Far East to the Near East and Europe."
Dutch
Jan 31, 2012, 8:14:23 PM1/31/12
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<dh@.> wrote
>
>
> Goo.
I must say, it's kind of nice you are able to have fun posting to a
newsgroup, that's great. But honestly, you are a like a crippled kid wearing
water wings splashing around during a competitive swim meet.
>
>
> Goo.
I must say, it's kind of nice you are able to have fun posting to a
newsgroup, that's great. But honestly, you are a like a crippled kid wearing
water wings splashing around during a competitive swim meet.
and/or www.mantra.com/jai
Jan 31, 2012, 8:32:18 PM1/31/12
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dh
Feb 1, 2012, 3:26:00 PM2/1/12
to
swim.
and/or www.mantra.com/jai
Feb 1, 2012, 3:33:16 PM2/1/12
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> From: dh@.
> Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,alt.fan.jai-maharaj,alt.religion.hindu,
> alt.food.vegan,alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian
> Subject: Re: Sad Monkey
> Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 15:33:52 -0500
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uNmaivirumbi <tripur...@yahoo.com[ posted:
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[ Jai Jagadambe!
[
[ Please destroy all evil
[
[ Protect the good people!
Jai Jai Jagadambe Mata!
uNmaivirumbi <tripur...@yahoo.com[ posted:
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[ Jai Jagadambe!
[
[ Please destroy all evil
[
[ Protect the good people!
Jai Jai Jagadambe Mata!
Dutch
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On Jan 23, 1:22 am, uNmaivirumbi <tripurant...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Good. You seem to be learning. God can manifest in any form He/She
> chooses!
Is there anyone who still believe in those crap about Hindu Goddesses
> Good. You seem to be learning. God can manifest in any form He/She
> chooses!
of War ???
If they can't learn from the story of Prophet Abraham, something wrong
with their brain!!!
Prophet Ibrahim
The father of the Prophets
The birth of a Great Prophet
Ibrahim was born in a house of idolaters, in the kingdom of Babylon.
His father Aazar was a well known idol sculptor that his people
worshipped. As a young child, Ibrahim used to watch his father
sculpting these idols from stones or wood. When his father was done
with them, Ibrahim would use them as toys, riding on their backs, and
kicking them at times. Then after a while, he would see these same
statues in the temple, and people prostrating in front of them!
Ibrahim asked his father: "Why do you take these toys to the temple?"
His father said: "They are statues that represent our gods. We worship
them, we ask favors from them, and we offer them presents." Ibrahim's
mind rejected this idea, and he felt a repulsion towards the idols.
In search for the Truth
Time went by, and Ibrahim became a young man. He still could not
believe that his people were worshipping the statues. He laughed
whenever he saw them entering the temple, lowering their heads,
silently offering the statues the best of their food, crying and
asking forgiveness from them. He started feeling angry towards his
people, who could not realize that these are only stones that could
neither benefit nor harm them. They could not be gods, they have no
power. God is Greater than what his people were worshipping, Most
Powerful, Most Magnificent. One could not find Him sitting on a table
in a temple!
One night, Ibrahim went up to the mountain, leaned against a rock, and
looked up to the sky. He saw a shining star, and told his people:
"Could this be my Lord?" But when it set he said: "I don't like those
that set." The star has disappeared, it could not be God. God is
always present. Then he saw the moon rising in splendor and told them:
"Could this be my Lord?" But it also set. At daybreak, he saw the sun
rising and said: t "Could this be my Lord, this is bigger?" But when
the sun set he said: "O my people I am free from all that you join as
partners with Allah! I have turned my face towards Him Who created the
heavens and the earth, and never shall I give partners to Allah." Our
Lord is the Creator of the heavens and the earth and everything. He
has the power to make the stars rise and set. Ibrahim then heard Allah
calling him: "O Ibrahim!" Ibrahim said trembling: "Here I am O my
Lord!" "Submit to Me! Be a Muslim!" Ibrahim fell on the ground,
prostrating and crying, he said: "I submit to the Lord of the
universe!" Ibrahim kept prostrating until night came again. He got up
and went back to his home, in t peace, full of conviction that Allah
has guided him to the Truth.
Ibrahim invites his father to Islam
A new life started for Ibrahim. His mission now was to call his people
to the Truth. He would start with his father who was the closest
person to him, and whom he loved so much. He said to him in the
softest and kindest voice: "O father! Why do you worship that which
doesn't hear, doesn't see, and cannot avail you in anything? O father,
I have got knowledge which you have not, so follow me. I will guide
you to a straight path." His father replied angrily: "Do you reject my
gods, O Ibrahim? If you don't stop I will stone you. Get away from me
before I punish you." Ibrahim said: "Peace be on you! I will ask
forgiveness of my Lord for you."
Ibrahim confronts his people and rejects their idols
He left his father after he lost hope to convert him to the right
path, and directed his efforts towards the people of the town, but
they rejected his call and threatened him. By Allah, he said, I shall
plot a plan to destroy their idols. He knew that a big celebration was
coming soon, where everybody would leave town for a big feast on the
riverbank. After making sure that nobody was left in town, Ibrahim
went towards the temple armed with an ax. Statues of all shapes and
sizes were sitting there adorned with decorations. Plates of food were
offered to them, but the food was untouched. "Well, why don't you eat?
The food is getting cold." He said to the statues, joking; then with
his ax he destroyed all the statues except one, the biggest of them.
He hung the ax around its neck and left.
How big was the shock when the people entered the temple! They
gathered inside watching in awe their gods broken in pieces. They
wondered who might have done this? Then they all remembered that the
young Ibrahim was talking evil of their idols. They brought him to the
temple and asked him: "Are you the one who has done this to our gods?"
Ibrahim said: "No, this statue, the biggest of them has done it. Ask
them if they can speak." "You know well that these idols don't speak!"
They said impatiently. "Then how come you worship things that can
neither speak nor see, nor even fend for themselves? Have you lost
your minds?"
They kept silent for a while, for he got a point there. Their minds
and their senses were telling them that the Truth is with Ibrahim, but
their pride prevented them to accept it, and reject the idols they
were worshipping for generations. This they thought would be total
defeat. They started yelling at him and shouting: "Burn him! Burn him!
Take revenge for your gods !"
The Miracle: Allah saves Ibrahim from the fire.
The decision to burn Ibrahim to death was affirmed by the priests and
the king of Babylon, Nimrod. The news spread like a fire in the
kingdom, and people were coming from all places to watch the
execution. A huge pit was dug up and a large quantity of wood was
piled up. Then the biggest fire people ever witnessed was lit. The
fire flames were so high up in the sky that the birds could not fly
over it for fear of being burned ! Ibrahim's hands and feet were
chained, and he was put in a catapult to throw him into the fire. At
that time, Angel Jibreel came to him and said: "O Ibrahim! Is there
anything you wish for?" Ibrahim could have asked to be saved from the
fire, to be taken away, but no, he said: "I only wish that Allah be
pleased with me." The catapult was released, and Ibrahim was thrown in
the heart of the fire. But Allah would not allow His Prophet to be
killed, He ordered the fire: "O fire! Be coolness and safety for
Ibrahim!" And the miracle happened. The fire obeyed and burned only
his chains. Ibrahim came out from it as if he was coming out from a
garden, peaceful, his face illuminated, and not a trace of smoke on
his clothes. People watched in shock and said: "Amazing ! Ibrahim' s
God has saved him from the fire!"
Ibrahim debates the Babylonian king, Nimrod
Ibrahim's notoriety grew bigger after this event and the king of
Babylon felt that his throne was in danger, and that he was loosing
power, because he was pretending that he was a god. He sent for
Ibrahim. He wanted to debate with him and show his people that he, the
king is indeed the god, and Ibrahim was a liar. He asked Ibrahim: What
can your god do that I cannot?
-My Lord is He Who gives life and death." Ibrahim said
-I give life and death. I can bring a person from the street and have
him executed, and I can grant my pardon to a person who was sentenced
to death and save his life." The king said proudly
-Well my Lord Allah makes the sun rise from the East. Can you make it
rise from the West?
The king was confounded. He was beaten at his own game, on his own
territory, in front of his own people! Ibrahim left him there
speechless and went back to his important mission, calling people to
worship the one and only God, Allah.
Allah blesses Ibrahim with a son to become a prophet
Only a woman named Sarah and a man named Lot believed in Allah, and
followed Ibrahim. He realized that nobody else would listen to him,
and decided to emigrate for the cause of Allah, and to spread His
Message elsewhere. Before leaving, he tried once again to convert his
father to Islam, but to no avail. Ibrahim said to his father and his
people: "We are free of you and of whatever you worship besides Allah.
We have rejected you and there has arisen between us and you enmity
and hatred forever unless you believe in Allah and Him alone."
Ibrahim, Lot and Sarah started their long travel. They crossed
Babylon, went through Syria and Palestine calling people to Allah,
helping the poor and doing good deeds. By that time Ibrahim married
Sarah. Their hope was to have children who would spread the Message of
Allah after their death. As for Lot, he emigrated to the land of Sodom
and settled there.
Time went by and no children were born to Sarah. She realized she was
sterile. She accepted her fate and submitted to the will of Allah.
Ibrahim and Sarah moved to Egypt where the king gave Sarah a woman to
be her servant. The woman's name was Hajar. Sarah was seeing Ibrahim'
s hair getting white, and it grieved her to see his chance of having
any child slipping away. She offered Hajar her servant as a wife to
her husband, and prayed Allah to bless Hajar and Ibrahim with a child.
And so came Ismail, a baby boy born to Hajar. How unselfish Sarah was!
For her, the need to have an offspring who would carry the Message
after Ibrahim was greater than her pride. Fourteen years later Allah
rewarded Sarah with a son, Ishaq in spite of her old age.
Young Ismail and his mother alone in the desert of Makkah
Ibrahim woke up one day and asked Hajar to prepare herself and baby
Ismail for a long travel. Ibrahim and Hajar kept walking, crossed a
fertile land followed by barren mountains till they arrived at the
Arabian desert. Ibrahim brought Hajar to a high hill called al-Marwa,
made her and her baby sit under a tree, placed a bag of dates and some
water near her, and set out homeward. Hajar ran after him and said:
"Are you going to leave us in this desert where there is no one to
keep us company?" She repeated this many times but he would not look
back at her. She asked: "Has Allah ordered you to do so?" He said yes.
"Then He will not neglect us." She said. Ibrahim walked away until he
got out of their sight, he raised his hands and prayed Allah: "O our
Lord! I have made some of my offspring dwell in a valley with no
cultivation, by Your Sacred House, in order that they may offer
prayers. So fill some hearts among men with love towards them, and
provide them with fruits, so that they may give thanks."
Zamzam
Hajar went on nursing Ismail and drinking from the water until it was
all used up. She became very thirsty and the child was crying. She
left him on the al-Marwa hill and hurried to the nearest hill, as-
Safa. She stood there and started looking at the valley keenly so that
she might see somebody, but she could not see anybody. She descended
from as-Safa, crossed the valley running and reached al-Marwa hill.
She stood and started looking but could see nobody. She kept running
between as-Safa and al-Marwa seven times. When she reached al-Marwa
for the last time, she was exhausted, she sat next to the baby. Then
she heard a voice. She stood up and said: "O whoever you might be!
Have you got something to help me?' She saw an angel, Angel Jibreel,
digging the earth until water flowed ! She built a little basin around
it. She scooped water with her hands, drank, filled her water-skin,
and nursed her baby. The place from which water flowed was Zamzam.
Muslims till this day drink from the holy water of Zamzam, and during
Hajj they walk between as-Safa and al-Marwa seven times to commemorate
this event.
Some Arabs traveling through Makkah saw birds flying around alMarwa.
"They must be flying around water." They said. When they arrived at
the water, they found Hajar and asked her: "Would you allow us to stay
with you, and use the water from your well?" She agreed and was
pleased by their company. The people sent for their families, settled
there and became permanent residents. The whole valley became alive.
Ismail grew up, learned Arabic, and later married a woman from amongst
the Arabs.
Meanwhile, Ibrahim who had not seen his son since he was a baby, came
back to Makkah to visit him. Upon arriving, he heard that Hajar had
died, but Ismail was still living there. Ibrahim was yearning to see
his son whom he loved and missed a lot. He saw Ismail under a tree
near Zamzam, sharpening his arrows. When he saw his father, Ismail
rose up, hugged him and greeted him. It was the happiest moment for
both father and son. But Allah wanted to put them to test, and it was
a tough test indeed. During one night, Ibrahim had a dream. He came to
Ismail and said: "O my son ! I have seen in a dream that I am
slaughtering you as a sacrifice to Allah, so what do you think?" They
both realized that this was an order from Allah. Ismail said without
hesitation: "Do what you are commanded, you shall find me very patient
insha Allah." They had both submitted to the will of Allah. Ibrahim
laid his son prostrate, put his forehead on the ground and directed a
sharp knife towards his neck. At this very moment, Allah called him:
"O Ibrahim! You have fulfilled the dream! Thus do We reward the good
doers !" A big sheep was sent down from heaven to be slaughtered
instead of Ismail, which Ibrahim did, and they both had a big
celebration that day. This event is celebrated every year by all
Muslims. It is Eid al-Adha where we slaughter the sacrificial sheep.
Ibrahim and Ismail kept on calling people to worship Allah. At that
time there was no place built for the worship of Allah. Ibrahim wished
there could be such a place where people would be in peace, and
concentrate solely for the worship of Allah. His wish was answered
when Allah ordered him to build the Sacred House, the Ka'bah. Ibrahim
said to Ismail: "O Ismail, Allah has given me an order, will you help
me execute it?" "Yes I will." Ismail said. "Allah has ordered me to
build a house here." He said, pointing to a hillock higher than the
land surrounding it. They went towards the place and started building
the foundations of the Ka'bah Ismail brought the stones and Ibrahim
built the walls, and when the walls became high, Ismail brought a
large stone and put it in front of his father who stood over it and
carried on building, while Ismail was handing him the stones. Both of
them went on building and going around the Ka'bah, saying: "O our Lord
accept this service from us." When they finished the building, Angel
Jibreel descended from heaven and showed Ibrahim the rituals of Hajj.
Then Ibrahim stepped on the stone and called on people: "O people obey
your Lord." This large stone which Ibrahim stepped on is still there
to this day near the Ka'bah. It is called Makam Ibrahim.
Thus ends the story of Ibrahim, the father of the prophets. From him
descended all the prophets who came later, including Muhammad,
sallallahu alayhe wa sallam. Ibrahim devoted all his life calling
others to the True religion: Islam. Alone he stood against his people,
his father, and even the mighty king of Babylon, and never flinched.
Yet his method was always to gradually persuade them by bringing
irrefutable proofs, that most often embarrassed those who refused to
accept the Truth, but as Allah said: "Any whom Allah leaves to stray,
there is none to guide !"
http://www.islamicity.com/mosque/ibrahim.htm
and/or www.mantra.com/jai
Feb 3, 2012, 4:16:55 PM2/3/12
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[ Hindu Goddesses of War
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[
[ One of the astonishing phenomena in ancient mythology is the existence
[ of goddesses of war, which contrasts with the absence of women from
[ the actual scene of war. For hundreds or even thousands of years of
[ wars between rival tribes, peoples and countries, women have been
[ excluded from one of the central occupations of human beings; but the
[ appearance of goddesses of war persisted as long as there were any
[ goddesses left in any pagan pantheon all round the globe, from America
[ to the Far East to the Near East and Europe.
[
[ A Great Mother goddess of war is also the Hindu Kali, known both for
[ her cruelty and for her motherly care for all creation. Kali is
[ sometimes considered an aspect of another Hindu war goddess, Durga,
[ about whom the following story is told on the site =91Goddesses of War=92:
[ One of the astonishing phenomena in ancient mythology is the existence
[ of goddesses of war, which contrasts with the absence of women from
[ the actual scene of war. For hundreds or even thousands of years of
[ wars between rival tribes, peoples and countries, women have been
[ excluded from one of the central occupations of human beings; but the
[ appearance of goddesses of war persisted as long as there were any
[ goddesses left in any pagan pantheon all round the globe, from America
[ to the Far East to the Near East and Europe.
[
[ A Great Mother goddess of war is also the Hindu Kali, known both for
[ her cruelty and for her motherly care for all creation. Kali is
[ sometimes considered an aspect of another Hindu war goddess, Durga,
[
[ Durga, a fierce warrior, was born during a lengthy battle between the
[ Hindu gods and an army of demons. In desperation, the gods gathered
[ together and breathed in unison. A ferocious fire blazed forth from
[ their mouths, out of which Durga was born =97 a fully grown warrior,
[ together and breathed in unison. A ferocious fire blazed forth from
[ ready to fight.
[
[ The gods quickly gave her a lion (or, some say, a tiger), to mount,
[ and a weapon for each of her ten hands. Durga advanced toward the
[ demons =97 one of them in the form of a buffalo, which is reminiscent of
[
[ The gods quickly gave her a lion (or, some say, a tiger), to mount,
[ and a weapon for each of her ten hands. Durga advanced toward the
[ the Chinese story cited above. As her arms flashed with their weapons,
[ within moments she had slaughtered all the demons.
[
[ On a site dedicated to her particularly, Durga is said to represent
[ the power of the Supreme Being Shiva, to whom she was married, who
[ preserves moral order and righteousness in creation. She is called
[ =93Divine Mother=94, and one of her epithets is Maha, which means =93Great=
[ within moments she had slaughtered all the demons.
[
[ On a site dedicated to her particularly, Durga is said to represent
[ the power of the Supreme Being Shiva, to whom she was married, who
[ preserves moral order and righteousness in creation. She is called
[ =94
[ or =93Terrific.=94 She had three divine children, two sons and a daughter.
[
[ Durga=92s festival is celebrated in the autumn, in the months
[ corresponding to September/October; and the Wikipedia comments that
[ =93The worship of Durga in the autumn is the year=92s most major festival
[ in East India.=94 These autumn months are when the monsoon=92s torrential
[ rains hit India. These rains are both punishing in their destructive
[ force and the killing of many people and beneficial by being India=92s
[ main source of fertility.
[
[ Taking Durga as an example of an all-around war goddess, it has been
[ said that she =93protects mankind from evil and misery by destroying
[ Taking Durga as an example of an all-around war goddess, it has been
[ evil forces such as selfishness, jealousy, prejudice, hatred, anger,
[ and ego.=94; At another website it is said that she =93symbolizes triumph
[ over evil.=94 But the idea of evil has no place in the pagan, natural
[ scheme of things; it is an artificial idea, that fits more into the
[ late Hindu religion of ideas than into the natural world, to which the
[ Great Mother (as Durga is said to be) would belong. The Great Mother,
[ as a ruler of the Underworld besides being the ruler of Earth and
[ Heaven, is also a goddess of wisdom and judgment. On the whole, she is
[ both beneficial and punishing, as any good mother should be.
[ Great Mother (as Durga is said to be) would belong. The Great Mother,
[ as a ruler of the Underworld besides being the ruler of Earth and
[ Heaven, is also a goddess of wisdom and judgment. On the whole, she is
[ both beneficial and punishing, as any good mother should be.
uNmaivirumbi
Feb 3, 2012, 5:45:15 PM2/3/12
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On Feb 3, 12:06 pm, arah <araharah2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jan 23, 1:22 am, uNmaivirumbi <tripurant...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Is there anyone who still believe in those crap about Hindu Goddesses
> of War ???
>
> If they can't learn from the story of Prophet Abraham, something wrong
> with their brain!!!
Typical arrogance from a muslim i.e., low intelligence and culture
> On Jan 23, 1:22 am, uNmaivirumbi <tripurant...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Is there anyone who still believe in those crap about Hindu Goddesses
> of War ???
>
> If they can't learn from the story of Prophet Abraham, something wrong
> with their brain!!!
>
> Prophet Ibrahim
> The father of the Prophets
>
> The birth of a Great Prophet
You agree Ismail was a bastard born to Abraham and Hagar (gifted by
Sarah!- was she a pimp?)
Who told you Abraham was a prophet and saw and spoke to God? Is koran
spoken by God directly to Mohammad? Who spoke the koran? Can you
clarify from the koran?
Only an idiot will believe Mohammad was a prophet of god when God
never spoke to him directly and Mohammad never could verify it was an
angel. It could have been the devil Going by the content of koran, it
was the devil sanctioning rape of nonmuslim women( ma malakat
aymanukum etc). It allows prostitution as well
You decide what people should believe?
You say God cannot come if a form? Who told you God is limited that
way? Who told you you can worship an infinite Formless God? Infinite
Formless cannot be worshiped, for your info. You can pretend to do so
but it is fake. No finite mind can even conceive of the infinite
Formless God to worship. Infinite Formless God encompasses everything
which includes your puny brain and mind and universe. So you cannot
worship!
You have no knowledge of who God is so stop your pretensions and
arrogance
Answer if you can
arah
Feb 6, 2012, 8:27:01 AM2/6/12
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Concept of God in Islam
Introduction
It is a known fact that every language has one or more
terms that are used in reference to God and sometimes to lesser
deities. This is not the case with Allah. Allah is the personal name
of the One true God. Nothing else can be called Allah. The term has no
plural or gender. This shows its uniqueness when compared with the
word "god," which can be made plural, as in "gods," or made feminine,
as in "goddess." It is interesting to notice that Allah is the
personal name of God in Aramaic, the language of Jesus and a sister
language of Arabic.
The One true God is a reflection of the unique concept
that Islam associates with God. To a Muslim, Allah is the Almighty
Creator and Sustainer of the universe, Who is similar to nothing, and
nothing is comparable to Him. The Prophet Muhammad was asked by his
contemporaries about Allah; the answer came directly from God Himself
in the form of a short chapter of the Qur'an, which is considered to
be the essence of the unity or the motto of monotheism. This is
chapter 112, which reads:“ In the name of Allah, the Merciful, the
Compassionate. Say (O Muhammad), He is God, the One God, the
Everlasting Refuge, who has not begotten, nor has been begotten, and
equal to Him is not anyone”.
Some non-Muslims allege that God in Islam is a stern and
cruel God who demands to be obeyed fully and is not loving and kind.
Nothing could be farther from the truth than this allegation. It is
enough to know that, with the exception of one, each of the 114
chapters of the Qur'an begins with the verse " In the name of God, the
Merciful, the Compassionate". In one of the sayings of Prophet
Muhammad (PBUH), we are told that “ God is more loving and kind than a
mother to her dear child”.
On the other hand, God is also Just. Hence, evildoers and
sinners must have their share of punishment, and the virtuous must
have God's bounties and favors. Actually, God's attribute of Mercy has
full manifestation in His attribute of Justice. People suffering
throughout their lives for His sake should not receive similar
treatment from their Lord as people who oppress and exploit others
their whole lives. Expecting similar treatment for them would amount
to negating the very belief in the accountability of man in the
Hereafter and thereby negate all the incentives for a moral and
virtuous life in this world. The following Qur'anic verses are very
clear and straightforward in this respect.
Verily, for the Righteous are gardens of Delight, in the
Presence of their Lord. Shall We then treat the people of Faith like
the people of Sin? What is the matter with you? How judge you?
Islam rejects characterizing God in any human form or
depicting Him as favoring certain individuals or nations on the basis
of wealth, power or race. He created the human-beings as equals. They
may distinguish themselves and get His favor through virtue and piety
only.
The concepts that God rested on the seventh day of
creation, that God wrestled with one of His soldiers, that God is an
envious plotter against mankind, and that God is incarnate in any
human being are considered blasphemy from the Islamic point of view.
The unique usage of Allah as a personal name of God is a
reflection of Islam's emphasis on the purity of the belief in God that
is the essence of the message of all God's messengers. Because of
this, Islam considers associating any deity or personality with God as
a deadly sin that God will never forgive, despite the fact that He may
forgive all other sins.
The Creator must be of a different nature from the things
created because if He is of the same nature as they are, He will be
temporal and will therefore need a maker. It follows that nothing is
like Him. If the maker is not temporal, then he must be eternal. But
if he is eternal, he cannot be caused, and if nothing caused Him to
come into existence, nothing outside Him causes Him to continue to
exist, which means that he must be self-sufficient. And if He does not
depend on anything for the continuance of His own existence, then this
existence can have no end. The Creator is therefore eternal and
everlasting: "He is the First and the Last".
He is Self-sufficient or Self-subsistent, or, to use a
Qur'anic term, Al-Qayyum The Creator does not create only in the sense
of bringing things into being, He. also preserves them and takes them
out of existence and is the ultimate cause of whatever happens to
them.
“ God is the Creator of everything. He is the guardian
over everything. Unto Him belong the keys of the heavens and the
earth” (39:62-63).
“ No creature is there crawling on the earth, but its
provision rests on God. He knows its lodging place and its
repository” (11:16).
God's Attributes
If the Creator is Eternal and Everlasting, then His
attributes must also be eternal and everlasting. He should not lose
any of His attributes nor acquire new ones. If this is so, then his
attributes are absolute. Can there be more than one Creator with such
absolute attributes? Can there be, for example, two absolutely
powerful Creators? A moment's thought shows that this is not
feasible.
The Qur'an summarizes this argument in the following
verses:“ God has not taken to Himself any son, nor is there any god
with Him: for then each god would have taken of that which he created
and some of them would have risen up over others” (23:91).
“ And why, were there gods in earth and heaven other than
God, they (heaven and earth) would surely go to ruin” (21:22).
The Oneness of God
The Qur'an reminds us of the falsity of all alleged gods.
To the worshippers of man-made objects it asks:“ Do you worship what
you have carved yourself” (37:95). “ Or have you taken unto yourself
others beside Him to be your protectors, even such as have no power
either for good or for harm to themselves” (13:16).
To the worshippers of heavenly bodies it cites the story
of Abraham:“ When night outspread over him, he saw a star and said:
This is my Lord. But when it set, he said: I love not the setters.
When he saw the moon rising, he said: This is my Lord. But when it
set, he said: If my Lord does not guide me, I shall surely be of the
people gone astray. When he saw the sun rising, he said: This is my
Lord; this is greater. But when it set, he said: O my people, surely I
quit that which you associate, I have turned my face to Him who
originated the heavens and the earth; a man of pure faith, I am not
one of the idolators” (6:76-79).
The Believer's Attitude
In order to be a Muslim, that is, to surrender oneself to
God, it is necessary to believe in the oneness of God, in the sense of
His being the only Creator, Preserver, Nourisher, etc. But this
belief, later called Tawhid Ar-Rububiyyah, is not enough. Many of the
idolators knew and believed that only the Supreme God could do all
this. But this was not enough to make them Muslims. To tawhid ar-
rububiyyah, one must add tawhid al-'uluhiyyah. That is, one
acknowledges the fact that it is God alone who deserves to be
worshipped, and thus abstains from worshipping any other thing or
being.
Having achieved this knowledge of the one true God, man
should constantly have faith in Him, and should allow nothing to
induce him to deny truth.
When faith enters a person's heart, it causes certain
mental states that result in certain actions. Taken together, these
mental states and actions are the proof for the true faith. The
Prophet said:“ Faith is that which resides firmly in the heart and
which is proved by deeds”.
Foremost among those mental stated is the feeling of
gratitude towards God, which could be said to be the essence of ibada
(worship).
The feeling of gratitude is so important that a non-
believer is called 'kafir', which means 'one who denies a truth' and
also 'one who is ungrateful'.
A believer loves, and is grateful to God for the bounties
He bestowed upon him, but being aware of the fact that his good deeds,
whether mental or physical, are far from being commensurate with
Divine favors, he is always anxious lest God should punish him, here
or in the Hereafter. He, therefore, fears Him, surrenders himself to
Him and serves Him with great humility. One cannot be in such a mental
state without being almost all the time mindful of God. Remembering
God is thus the life force of faith, without which it fades and
withers away.
The Qur'an tries to promote this feeling of gratitude by
repeating the attributes of God very frequently. We find most of these
attributes mentioned together in the following verses of the Qur'an:“
He is God; there is no god but He. He is the Knower of the unseen and
the visible; He is the All-Merciful, the All-Compassionate. He is God;
there is no god but He. He is the King, the All-Holy, the All-Peace,
the Guardian of the Faith, the All-Preserver, the All-Mighty, the All-
Compeller, the All-Sublime. Glory be to God, above that they
associate! He is God, the Creator, the Maker, the Shaper. To Him
belong the Names Most Beautiful. All that is in the heavens and the
earth magnifies Him; He is the Almighty, the All-Wise” (59:22-24).
“ There is no god but He, the Living, the Everlasting.
Slumber seizes Him not, nor sleep. To Him belongs all that is in the
heavens and the earth. Who is there that shall intercede with Him save
by His leave? He knows what lies before them, and what is after them,
and they comprehend not anything of His knowledge save such as He
wills. His throne comprises the heavens and earth. The preserving of
them oppresses Him not; He is the All-High, the All-
Glorious” (2:255).
People of the Book, go not beyond the bounds in your
religion, and say not as to God but the truth.
“ The Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, was only the Messenger
of God, and His Word that He committed to Mary, and a Spirit from Him.
So believe in God and His Messengers, and say not "Three". Refrain;
better it is for you. God is only one God. Glory be to Him -- (He is)
above having a son” (4:171).
http://www.sultan.org/articles/god.html
Introduction
It is a known fact that every language has one or more
terms that are used in reference to God and sometimes to lesser
deities. This is not the case with Allah. Allah is the personal name
of the One true God. Nothing else can be called Allah. The term has no
plural or gender. This shows its uniqueness when compared with the
word "god," which can be made plural, as in "gods," or made feminine,
as in "goddess." It is interesting to notice that Allah is the
personal name of God in Aramaic, the language of Jesus and a sister
language of Arabic.
The One true God is a reflection of the unique concept
that Islam associates with God. To a Muslim, Allah is the Almighty
Creator and Sustainer of the universe, Who is similar to nothing, and
nothing is comparable to Him. The Prophet Muhammad was asked by his
contemporaries about Allah; the answer came directly from God Himself
in the form of a short chapter of the Qur'an, which is considered to
be the essence of the unity or the motto of monotheism. This is
chapter 112, which reads:“ In the name of Allah, the Merciful, the
Compassionate. Say (O Muhammad), He is God, the One God, the
Everlasting Refuge, who has not begotten, nor has been begotten, and
equal to Him is not anyone”.
Some non-Muslims allege that God in Islam is a stern and
cruel God who demands to be obeyed fully and is not loving and kind.
Nothing could be farther from the truth than this allegation. It is
enough to know that, with the exception of one, each of the 114
chapters of the Qur'an begins with the verse " In the name of God, the
Merciful, the Compassionate". In one of the sayings of Prophet
Muhammad (PBUH), we are told that “ God is more loving and kind than a
mother to her dear child”.
On the other hand, God is also Just. Hence, evildoers and
sinners must have their share of punishment, and the virtuous must
have God's bounties and favors. Actually, God's attribute of Mercy has
full manifestation in His attribute of Justice. People suffering
throughout their lives for His sake should not receive similar
treatment from their Lord as people who oppress and exploit others
their whole lives. Expecting similar treatment for them would amount
to negating the very belief in the accountability of man in the
Hereafter and thereby negate all the incentives for a moral and
virtuous life in this world. The following Qur'anic verses are very
clear and straightforward in this respect.
Verily, for the Righteous are gardens of Delight, in the
Presence of their Lord. Shall We then treat the people of Faith like
the people of Sin? What is the matter with you? How judge you?
Islam rejects characterizing God in any human form or
depicting Him as favoring certain individuals or nations on the basis
of wealth, power or race. He created the human-beings as equals. They
may distinguish themselves and get His favor through virtue and piety
only.
The concepts that God rested on the seventh day of
creation, that God wrestled with one of His soldiers, that God is an
envious plotter against mankind, and that God is incarnate in any
human being are considered blasphemy from the Islamic point of view.
The unique usage of Allah as a personal name of God is a
reflection of Islam's emphasis on the purity of the belief in God that
is the essence of the message of all God's messengers. Because of
this, Islam considers associating any deity or personality with God as
a deadly sin that God will never forgive, despite the fact that He may
forgive all other sins.
The Creator must be of a different nature from the things
created because if He is of the same nature as they are, He will be
temporal and will therefore need a maker. It follows that nothing is
like Him. If the maker is not temporal, then he must be eternal. But
if he is eternal, he cannot be caused, and if nothing caused Him to
come into existence, nothing outside Him causes Him to continue to
exist, which means that he must be self-sufficient. And if He does not
depend on anything for the continuance of His own existence, then this
existence can have no end. The Creator is therefore eternal and
everlasting: "He is the First and the Last".
He is Self-sufficient or Self-subsistent, or, to use a
Qur'anic term, Al-Qayyum The Creator does not create only in the sense
of bringing things into being, He. also preserves them and takes them
out of existence and is the ultimate cause of whatever happens to
them.
“ God is the Creator of everything. He is the guardian
over everything. Unto Him belong the keys of the heavens and the
earth” (39:62-63).
“ No creature is there crawling on the earth, but its
provision rests on God. He knows its lodging place and its
repository” (11:16).
God's Attributes
If the Creator is Eternal and Everlasting, then His
attributes must also be eternal and everlasting. He should not lose
any of His attributes nor acquire new ones. If this is so, then his
attributes are absolute. Can there be more than one Creator with such
absolute attributes? Can there be, for example, two absolutely
powerful Creators? A moment's thought shows that this is not
feasible.
The Qur'an summarizes this argument in the following
verses:“ God has not taken to Himself any son, nor is there any god
with Him: for then each god would have taken of that which he created
and some of them would have risen up over others” (23:91).
“ And why, were there gods in earth and heaven other than
God, they (heaven and earth) would surely go to ruin” (21:22).
The Oneness of God
The Qur'an reminds us of the falsity of all alleged gods.
To the worshippers of man-made objects it asks:“ Do you worship what
you have carved yourself” (37:95). “ Or have you taken unto yourself
others beside Him to be your protectors, even such as have no power
either for good or for harm to themselves” (13:16).
To the worshippers of heavenly bodies it cites the story
of Abraham:“ When night outspread over him, he saw a star and said:
This is my Lord. But when it set, he said: I love not the setters.
When he saw the moon rising, he said: This is my Lord. But when it
set, he said: If my Lord does not guide me, I shall surely be of the
people gone astray. When he saw the sun rising, he said: This is my
Lord; this is greater. But when it set, he said: O my people, surely I
quit that which you associate, I have turned my face to Him who
originated the heavens and the earth; a man of pure faith, I am not
one of the idolators” (6:76-79).
The Believer's Attitude
In order to be a Muslim, that is, to surrender oneself to
God, it is necessary to believe in the oneness of God, in the sense of
His being the only Creator, Preserver, Nourisher, etc. But this
belief, later called Tawhid Ar-Rububiyyah, is not enough. Many of the
idolators knew and believed that only the Supreme God could do all
this. But this was not enough to make them Muslims. To tawhid ar-
rububiyyah, one must add tawhid al-'uluhiyyah. That is, one
acknowledges the fact that it is God alone who deserves to be
worshipped, and thus abstains from worshipping any other thing or
being.
Having achieved this knowledge of the one true God, man
should constantly have faith in Him, and should allow nothing to
induce him to deny truth.
When faith enters a person's heart, it causes certain
mental states that result in certain actions. Taken together, these
mental states and actions are the proof for the true faith. The
Prophet said:“ Faith is that which resides firmly in the heart and
which is proved by deeds”.
Foremost among those mental stated is the feeling of
gratitude towards God, which could be said to be the essence of ibada
(worship).
The feeling of gratitude is so important that a non-
believer is called 'kafir', which means 'one who denies a truth' and
also 'one who is ungrateful'.
A believer loves, and is grateful to God for the bounties
He bestowed upon him, but being aware of the fact that his good deeds,
whether mental or physical, are far from being commensurate with
Divine favors, he is always anxious lest God should punish him, here
or in the Hereafter. He, therefore, fears Him, surrenders himself to
Him and serves Him with great humility. One cannot be in such a mental
state without being almost all the time mindful of God. Remembering
God is thus the life force of faith, without which it fades and
withers away.
The Qur'an tries to promote this feeling of gratitude by
repeating the attributes of God very frequently. We find most of these
attributes mentioned together in the following verses of the Qur'an:“
He is God; there is no god but He. He is the Knower of the unseen and
the visible; He is the All-Merciful, the All-Compassionate. He is God;
there is no god but He. He is the King, the All-Holy, the All-Peace,
the Guardian of the Faith, the All-Preserver, the All-Mighty, the All-
Compeller, the All-Sublime. Glory be to God, above that they
associate! He is God, the Creator, the Maker, the Shaper. To Him
belong the Names Most Beautiful. All that is in the heavens and the
earth magnifies Him; He is the Almighty, the All-Wise” (59:22-24).
“ There is no god but He, the Living, the Everlasting.
Slumber seizes Him not, nor sleep. To Him belongs all that is in the
heavens and the earth. Who is there that shall intercede with Him save
by His leave? He knows what lies before them, and what is after them,
and they comprehend not anything of His knowledge save such as He
wills. His throne comprises the heavens and earth. The preserving of
them oppresses Him not; He is the All-High, the All-
Glorious” (2:255).
People of the Book, go not beyond the bounds in your
religion, and say not as to God but the truth.
“ The Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, was only the Messenger
of God, and His Word that He committed to Mary, and a Spirit from Him.
So believe in God and His Messengers, and say not "Three". Refrain;
better it is for you. God is only one God. Glory be to Him -- (He is)
above having a son” (4:171).
http://www.sultan.org/articles/god.html
uNmaivirumbi
Feb 6, 2012, 5:46:44 PM2/6/12
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Junk brainless repetition.
Who and what is God?
Do you say Mohammad heard anything from God directly? Or did he hear
from some one he assumed was an angel? How did he verify it was an
angel? Why could it not be the devil going by the contents of koran
which is evil in many places such as ma malakat aymanukum allowing
Muslims to sexually exploit non-Muslim women, allowing rape of Ayesha
etc etc
Do you realize you do not worship God at all as Formless Infinite God
cannot be worshiped by man with finite mind?
What is the nature of this God who you write about? Is God
omnipresent, Omnipotent and omniscient?
If God is omnipotent why cannot He come in a form and be limited to
formlessness?
If He is omnipresent, is He is the trees and rivers? Is the universe
in God or "outside" God?
If He is omniscient, why does He allow evil such as Bin Ladin?
Answer if you have any guts
Do not evade and parrot the same cut and paste articles
We are Hindus and will debate and will *never accept anything blindly*
like your fellow Muslims!
Who and what is God?
Do you say Mohammad heard anything from God directly? Or did he hear
from some one he assumed was an angel? How did he verify it was an
angel? Why could it not be the devil going by the contents of koran
which is evil in many places such as ma malakat aymanukum allowing
Muslims to sexually exploit non-Muslim women, allowing rape of Ayesha
etc etc
Do you realize you do not worship God at all as Formless Infinite God
cannot be worshiped by man with finite mind?
What is the nature of this God who you write about? Is God
omnipresent, Omnipotent and omniscient?
If God is omnipotent why cannot He come in a form and be limited to
formlessness?
If He is omnipresent, is He is the trees and rivers? Is the universe
in God or "outside" God?
If He is omniscient, why does He allow evil such as Bin Ladin?
Answer if you have any guts
Do not evade and parrot the same cut and paste articles
We are Hindus and will debate and will *never accept anything blindly*
like your fellow Muslims!
arah
Feb 7, 2012, 2:23:12 PM2/7/12
to
On Feb 7, 1:46 am, uNmaivirumbi <tripurant...@yahoo.com> wrote:
you say Mohammad heard anything from God directly? Or did he hear
> from some one he assumed was an angel? How did he verify it was an
> angel?
Let me share a precious story about the first revelation received by
you say Mohammad heard anything from God directly? Or did he hear
> from some one he assumed was an angel? How did he verify it was an
> angel?
our beloved Prophet Muhammad s.a.w happened in Hira’ Cave. The Gabriel
came and said to Muhammad: Read! And Muhammad said: I cannot read.
After that, the Gabriel asks Muhammad to read again in 3 times.
Finally, he felt so scare and exhausted. Thus, the Gabriel hugs Him to
calm our Prophet.
The Angel Gabriel visited the Muhammad many times over a period of
twenty-three years. Gabriel taught Muhammad the verses and he
instructed his scribes to record them. All the revealed verses are
compiled in the Qur'an. The Prophet's sayings and actions are recorded
separately in collections known as Hadith. Muslims believe that
Muhammad was a messenger of Allah (Arabic for The One and Only God)
and last of the prophets sent by Allah to guide man to the right path.
Why must a devil taught the following verses to Prophet Muhammad?
In the name of Allah, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful.
Say: I seek refuge in the Lord of mankind,
The King of mankind,
The God of mankind,
From the evil of the sneaking whisperer,
Who whispereth in the hearts of mankind,
Of the jinn and of mankind.
or the following verses?
In the name of Allah, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful.
Say: "I seek refuge in the Lord of Daybreak
From the evil of that which He created;
From the evil of the darkness when it is intense,
And from the evil of malignant witchcraft,
And from the evil of the envier when he envieth.
> which is evil in many places such as ma malakat aymanukum allowing
> Muslims to sexually exploit non-Muslim women, allowing rape of Ayesha
> etc etc
>
the first khalifah Abu Bakar.
Who is Abu Bakr the father of Ayesha?
Abu Bakr was always a very close Companion of the Holy Prophet, he
knew him better than any other man. He knew how honest and upright the
Prophet was. Such knowledge of the Prophet made Abu Bakr be the first
man to follow the Message of Prophet Muhammad sallallaahu 'alayhi wa
sallam. He was indeed the first adult male to accept Islâm.
The Holy Prophet told Abu Bakr what had happened at Mount Hira', he
told him that Allâh subhanahu wa ta'ala has revealed to him and made
him His Messenger. When Abu Bakr heard this from the Prophet
sallallaahu 'alayhi wa sallam, he did not stop to think, he at once
became a Muslim. He submitted to Islâm with such determination that
once the Holy Prophet himself remarked, "I called people to Islâm,
everybody thought over it, at least for a while, but this was not the
case with Abu Bakr, the moment I put Islâm before him, he accepted it
without any hesitation". He was titled As-Siddiq by the Prophet
because his faith was too strong to be shaken by anything.
In fact, Abu Bakr was more than a great believer, as soon as he became
a Muslim, he immediately began to preach Islâm to others. Among those
who accepted Abu Bakr's invitation to Islâm were; Uthman, Zubair,
Talha, Abdul Rahman bin Auf, Saadi bin Waqqas and others who later
became the pillars of Islâm.
> Do you realize you do not worship God at all as Formless Infinite God
> cannot be worshiped by man with finite mind?
of [all] existence. Neither drowsiness overtakes Him nor sleep. To Him
belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth. Who
is it that can intercede with Him except by His permission? He knows
what is [presently] before them and what will be after them, and they
encompass not a thing of His knowledge except for what He wills. His
Kursi extends over the heavens and the earth, and their preservation
tires Him not. And He is the Most High, the Most Great.
>What is the nature of this God who you write about? Is God
> omnipresent, Omnipotent and omniscient?
>
> If God is omnipotent why cannot He come in a form and be limited to
> formlessness?
many have actually felt his presence during high spiritual experiences
such as in Lailatul Qadr. The understanding of his presence is
therefore deeply rooted in one experiencing His presence.
Allah exists in every direction and many verses in the Quran attest to
this fact. I have chosen a few for reference, as follows:
[2:115] To ALLAH belongs the East and the West; so whithersover you
turn, there will be the face of ALLAH. Surely, ALLAH is Bountiful, All-
Knowing.
[2:186] And when My servants ask you concerning Me, then surely I am
very near; I answer the prayer of the suppliant when he calls on Me
[2:255] His throne extends over the heavens and the earth; and the
care of them wearies Him not; and He is the High, the Great.
[4:58] And surely, excellent is that with which ALLAH admonishes you.
ALLAH is All-Hearing, All-Seeing.
[6:103] The eyes see Him not, but He sees the eyes (of man) ; He is
the All-subtle, the All-aware.
[10:61] And there is not hidden from thy Lord even an atom's weight in
the earth or in heaven
[24:35] Allah is the light of the heavens and the earth
[34:50] Say, “If I err, I alone would bear its consequences. But if I
am on the right path, it is because my Lord sends me the revelation.
Indeed, He hears all, and He is really close at hand.”
[50:16]We are nearer to him than his life-vein
[57:3] HE is the First and the Last, and the Manifest and the Hidden,
and HE has full knowledge of all things.
> If He is omnipresent, is He is the trees and rivers? Is the universe
> in God or "outside" God?
>
> If He is omniscient, why does He allow evil such as Bin Ladin?
limits; for God loves not transgressors. And slay them wherever you
catch them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out; for
tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter... But if they cease,
God is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful... If they cease, let there be no
hostility except to those who practice oppression" (2:190-193).
It is clear from the context that these verses are discussing a
defensive war, when a Muslim community is attacked without reason,
oppressed and prevented from practicing their faith. In these
circumstances, permission is given to fight back -- but even then
Muslims are instructed not to transgress limits, and to cease fighting
as soon as the attacker gives up. Even in these circumstances, Muslim
are only to fight directly against those who are attacking them, not
innocent bystanders or non-combatants.
"Fight the Pagans" - If They Break Treaties
A similar verse can be found in chapter 9, verse 5 -- which in its
snipped, out of context version could read: "fight and slay the pagans
wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait
for them in every stratagem (of war)." Again, the preceding and
following verses give the context.
This verse was revealed during a historical period when the small
Muslim community had entered into treaties with neighboring tribes
(Jewish, Christian, and pagan). Several of the pagan tribes had
violated the terms of their treaty, secretly aiding an enemy attack
against the Muslim community. The verse directly before this one
instructs the Muslims to continue to honor treaties with anyone who
has not since betrayed them, because fulfilling agreements is
considered a righteous action. Then the verse continues, that those
who have violated the terms of the treaty have declared war, so fight
them... (as quoted above).
Directly after this permission to fight, the same verse continues,
"but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practice
regular charity, then open the way for them... for God is Oft-
forgiving, Most Merciful." The subsequent verses instruct the Muslims
to grant asylum to any member of the pagan tribe/army who asks for it,
and again reminds that "as long as these stand true to you, stand ye
true to them: for God loves the righteous."
>
> We are Hindus and will debate and will *never accept anything blindly*
> like your fellow Muslims!
yoni?
[31:13] Recall that Luqmaan said to his son, as he enlightened him, "O
my son, do not set up any idols beside GOD; idolatry is a gross
injustice."*
Footnote: *31:13 How will you feel if you take care of a child, give
him the best education, and prepare him for life, only to see him
thank someone else? Thus is idolatry; injustice.
[4:48] GOD does not forgive idolatry,* but He forgives lesser offenses
for whomever He wills. Anyone who sets up idols beside GOD, has forged
a horrendous offense.
Footnote: *4:48 Idol worship is not forgivable, if maintained until
death. One can always repent from any offense, including idolatry,
before death comes (see 4:18 & 40:66).
[4:116] GOD does not forgive idol worship (if maintained until
death),* and He forgives lesser offenses for whomever He wills. Anyone
who idolizes any idol beside GOD has strayed far astray.
16:20-21] As for the idols they set up beside GOD, they do not create
anything; they themselves were created. They are dead, not alive, and
they have no idea how or when they will be resurrected.
[3:79] Never would a human being whom GOD blessed with the scripture
and prophethood say to the people, "Idolize me beside GOD." Instead,
(he would say), "Devote yourselves absolutely to your Lord alone,"
according to the scripture you preach and the teachings you learn.
Tell me why you don't believed in Almighty Creator?
Say: He is Allah, the One and Only! Allah, the Eternal, Absolute; He
begetteth not nor is He begotten. And there is none like unto Him.
Holy Qur'an 112:1-4)
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[
[ Hindu Goddesses of War
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[
[
[ One of the astonishing phenomena in ancient mythology is the existence
[ of goddesses of war, which contrasts with the absence of women from
[ the actual scene of war. For hundreds or even thousands of years of
[ wars between rival tribes, peoples and countries, women have been
[ excluded from one of the central occupations of human beings; but the
[ appearance of goddesses of war persisted as long as there were any
[ goddesses left in any pagan pantheon all round the globe, from America
[ to the Far East to the Near East and Europe.
[
[ A Great Mother goddess of war is also the Hindu Kali, known both for
[ her cruelty and for her motherly care for all creation. Kali is
[ sometimes considered an aspect of another Hindu war goddess, Durga,
[ about whom the following story is told on the site =91Goddesses of War=92:
[ One of the astonishing phenomena in ancient mythology is the existence
[ of goddesses of war, which contrasts with the absence of women from
[ the actual scene of war. For hundreds or even thousands of years of
[ wars between rival tribes, peoples and countries, women have been
[ excluded from one of the central occupations of human beings; but the
[ appearance of goddesses of war persisted as long as there were any
[ goddesses left in any pagan pantheon all round the globe, from America
[ to the Far East to the Near East and Europe.
[
[ A Great Mother goddess of war is also the Hindu Kali, known both for
[ her cruelty and for her motherly care for all creation. Kali is
[ sometimes considered an aspect of another Hindu war goddess, Durga,
[
[ Durga, a fierce warrior, was born during a lengthy battle between the
[ Hindu gods and an army of demons. In desperation, the gods gathered
[ together and breathed in unison. A ferocious fire blazed forth from
[ their mouths, out of which Durga was born =97 a fully grown warrior,
[ together and breathed in unison. A ferocious fire blazed forth from
[ ready to fight.
[
[ The gods quickly gave her a lion (or, some say, a tiger), to mount,
[ and a weapon for each of her ten hands. Durga advanced toward the
[ demons =97 one of them in the form of a buffalo, which is reminiscent of
[
[ The gods quickly gave her a lion (or, some say, a tiger), to mount,
[ and a weapon for each of her ten hands. Durga advanced toward the
[ the Chinese story cited above. As her arms flashed with their weapons,
[ within moments she had slaughtered all the demons.
[
[ On a site dedicated to her particularly, Durga is said to represent
[ the power of the Supreme Being Shiva, to whom she was married, who
[ preserves moral order and righteousness in creation. She is called
[ =93Divine Mother=94, and one of her epithets is Maha, which means =93Great=
[ within moments she had slaughtered all the demons.
[
[ On a site dedicated to her particularly, Durga is said to represent
[ the power of the Supreme Being Shiva, to whom she was married, who
[ preserves moral order and righteousness in creation. She is called
[ =94
[ or =93Terrific.=94 She had three divine children, two sons and a daughter.
[
[ Durga=92s festival is celebrated in the autumn, in the months
[ corresponding to September/October; and the Wikipedia comments that
[ =93The worship of Durga in the autumn is the year=92s most major festival
[ in East India.=94 These autumn months are when the monsoon=92s torrential
[ rains hit India. These rains are both punishing in their destructive
[ force and the killing of many people and beneficial by being India=92s
[ main source of fertility.
[
[ Taking Durga as an example of an all-around war goddess, it has been
[ said that she =93protects mankind from evil and misery by destroying
[ Taking Durga as an example of an all-around war goddess, it has been
[ evil forces such as selfishness, jealousy, prejudice, hatred, anger,
[ and ego.=94; At another website it is said that she =93symbolizes triumph
[ over evil.=94 But the idea of evil has no place in the pagan, natural
[ scheme of things; it is an artificial idea, that fits more into the
[ late Hindu religion of ideas than into the natural world, to which the
[ Great Mother (as Durga is said to be) would belong. The Great Mother,
[ as a ruler of the Underworld besides being the ruler of Earth and
[ Heaven, is also a goddess of wisdom and judgment. On the whole, she is
[ both beneficial and punishing, as any good mother should be.
[ Great Mother (as Durga is said to be) would belong. The Great Mother,
[ as a ruler of the Underworld besides being the ruler of Earth and
[ Heaven, is also a goddess of wisdom and judgment. On the whole, she is
[ both beneficial and punishing, as any good mother should be.
dh
Feb 7, 2012, 3:50:09 PM2/7/12
to
livestock raised only for pet food, and because you can't say how you want us to
think anticonsideration is superior to having consideration. You're naked
because as you extremely poorly try to pretend to be opposed to the misnomer you
clearly reveal yourself as an eliminationist in a number of ways.
"you should become a vegan. I've been saying that to you
for years." - "Dutch"
"I am an animal rights believer." - "Dutch"
"we must have at least the same right as every animal does,
which is to seek to compete successfully, sustain ourselves
and thrive." - "Dutch"
and/or www.mantra.com/jai
Feb 7, 2012, 4:11:45 PM2/7/12
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uNmaivirumbi <tripur...@yahoo.com[ posted:
[
[ Jai Jagadambe!
[
[ Please destroy all evil
[
[ Protect the good people!
Jai Jai Jagadambe Mata!
uNmaivirumbi <tripur...@yahoo.com[ posted:
[
[ Jai Jagadambe!
[
[ Please destroy all evil
[
[ Protect the good people!
Jai Jai Jagadambe Mata!
uNmaivirumbi
Feb 7, 2012, 5:51:29 PM2/7/12
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On Feb 7, 2:23 pm, arah <araharah2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Let me share a precious story about the first revelation received by
> our beloved Prophet Muhammad s.a.w happened in Hira’ Cave. The Gabriel
> came and said to Muhammad: Read! And Muhammad said: I cannot read.
> After that, the Gabriel asks Muhammad to read again in 3 times.
> Finally, he felt so scare and exhausted. Thus, the Gabriel hugs Him to
> calm our Prophet.
I asked many questions. You answered not one. Let me focus on one.
> Let me share a precious story about the first revelation received by
> our beloved Prophet Muhammad s.a.w happened in Hira’ Cave. The Gabriel
> came and said to Muhammad: Read! And Muhammad said: I cannot read.
> After that, the Gabriel asks Muhammad to read again in 3 times.
> Finally, he felt so scare and exhausted. Thus, the Gabriel hugs Him to
> calm our Prophet.
How do you know it was Gabriel Mohammad spoke to? How did Mohammad
know it was Gabriel? How did he verify that? Do you know that Mohammad
thought it was a ghost and it was *Khadija* suggested it could be
Gabriel!
Anyway God did not ever speak to Mohammad. So claiming Koran is from
God is false
Secondly what about ma malakat aymanukum sanctioning sexual abuse of
captured nonmuslim women in war?
Just focus on these and I will ask for the rest later. Dont evade
again
arah
Feb 8, 2012, 12:55:53 PM2/8/12
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O you who believe! Believe in Allâh, and His Messenger (Muhammad صلى
الله عليه وسلم), and the Book (the Qur’ân) which He has sent down to
His Messenger, and the Scripture which He sent down to those before
(him); and whosoever disbelieves in Allâh, His Angels, His Books, His
Messengers, and the Last Day, then indeed he has strayed far away.
On Feb 8, 1:51 am, uNmaivirumbi <tripurant...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Feb 7, 2:23 pm, arah <araharah2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Let me share a precious story about the first revelation received by
> > our beloved Prophet Muhammad s.a.w happened in Hira’ Cave. The Gabriel
> > came and said to Muhammad: Read! And Muhammad said: I cannot read.
> > After that, the Gabriel asks Muhammad to read again in 3 times.
> > Finally, he felt so scare and exhausted. Thus, the Gabriel hugs Him to
> > calm our Prophet.
>
> I asked many questions. You answered not one. Let me focus on one.
I agreed with you I answered not one but many.
The commencement of the Divine Inspiration to Allah's Apostle was in
the form of good dreams
which came true like bright day light, and then the love of seclusion
was bestowed upon him. He
used to go in seclusion in the cave of Hira where he used to worship
(Allah alone) continuously
for many days before his desire to see his family. He used to take
with him on the journey food
for the stay and then come back to (his wife) Khadija to take his food
like-wise again till suddenly
the Truth descended upon him while he was in the cave of Hira. The
angel came to him and
asked him to read. The Prophet replied, "I do not know how to read ".
The Prophet added,
"The angel caught me (forcefully) and pressed me so hard that I could
not bear it any more. He
then released me and again asked me to read and I replied, 'I do not
know how to read.'
Thereupon he caught me again and pressed me a second time till I could
not bear it any more.
He then released me and again asked me to read but again I replied, 'I
do not know how to read'.
Thereupon he caught me for the third time and pressed me, and then
released me and
said,
'Read in the name of your Lord, who has created (all that exists) has
created man from
a clot. Read! And your Lord is the Most Generous." (96.1, 96.2, 96.3)
Then Allah's Apostle
returned with the Inspiration and with his heart beating severely.
Then he went to Khadija bint
Khuwailid and said, "Cover me! Cover me!" They covered him till his
fear was over and after that
he told her everything that had happened and said, "I fear that
something may happen to me."
Khadija replied, "Never! By Allah, Allah will never disgrace you. You
keep good relations with
your kith and kin, help the poor and the destitute, serve your guests
generously and assist the
deserving calamity-afflicted ones."
Khadija then accompanied him to her cousin Waraqa bin Naufal bin Asad
bin 'Abdul 'Uzza, who,
during the Pre-Islamic Period became a Christian and used to write the
writing with Hebrew
letters. He would write from the Gospel in Hebrew as much as Allah
wished him to write. He was
an old man and had lost his eyesight. Khadija said to Waraqa, "Listen
to the story of your
nephew, O my cousin!" Waraqa asked, "O my nephew! What have you seen?"
Allah's Apostle
described whatever he had seen. Waraqa said, "This is the same one who
keeps the secrets
(angel Gabriel) whom Allah had sent to Moses. I wish I were young and
could live up to the time
when your people would turn you out." Allah's Apostle asked, "Will
they drive me out?" Waraqa
replied in the affirmative and said, "Anyone (man) who came with
something similar to what you
have brought was treated with hostility; and if I should remain alive
till the day when you will be
turned out then I would support you strongly." But after a few days
Waraqa died and the Divine
Inspiration was also paused for a while.
(Bukhari 1.1.3 M.K)
Who is Angel Gabriel
The angel Jibraaiyl (Gabriel) is the most recognizable angel, as in
Islam this angel delivers the message of God (Allah) to the Islamic
prophet, Muhammad. This message is the Qur'an. Angels can take on
different forms, including human.[3]
>
> Anyway God did not ever speak to Mohammad. So claiming Koran is from
> God is false
You have to understand the following story.
From 'Umar, may Allah be pleased with him, there is that he said,
"While we were sitting with the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless
with him and grant him peace, one day a man came up to us whose
clothes were extremely white, whose hair was extremely black, upon
whom traces of travelling could not be seen, and whom none of us knew,
until he sat down close to the Prophet, may Allah bless with him and
grant him peace, so that he rested his knees upon his knees and placed
his two hands upon his thighs and said, 'Muhammad, tell me about
Islam.' The Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless with him and grant him
peace, said, 'Islam is that you witness that there is no god but Allah
and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and you establish the
prayer, and you give the Zakat, and you fast Ramadan, and you perform
the hajj of the House if you are able to take a way to it.' He said,
'You have told the truth,' and we were amazed at him asking him and
[then] telling him that he told the truth. He said, 'Tell me about
iman.' He said, 'That you affirm Allah, His angels, His books, His
messengers, and the Last Day, and that you affirm the Decree, the good
of it and the bad of it.' He said, 'You have told the truth.' He said,
'Tell me about ihsan.' He said, 'That you worship Allah as if you see
Him, for if you don't see Him then truly He sees you.' He said, 'Tell
me about the Hour.' He said, 'The one asked about it knows no more
than the one asking.' He said, 'Then tell me about its tokens.' He
said, 'That the female slave should give birth to her mistress, and
you see poor, naked, barefoot shepherds of sheep and goats competing
in making tall buildings.' He went away, and I remained some time.
Then he asked, 'Umar, do you know who the questioner was?' I said,
'Allah and His Messenger know best.' He said, 'He was Jibril who came
to you to teach you your deen'." Muslim (8) narrated it.
> Secondly what about ma malakat aymanukum sanctioning sexual abuse of
> captured nonmuslim women in war?
Until today there are human traffiking and modern slavery,What your
scripture teach about slave?
The Noble Prophet (saw) was particularly kind to slaves. He used to
say, "They are your brothers; give them to eat what you eat, and give
them to wear what you wear." Whenever he received any slaves, he
always gave them freedom but they could never free themselves from his
kindness and generosity. They left their parents, relatives and
families and regarded it as an honor to live in bondage to him.
Zaid Ibn Haritha (ra) was a slave. Muhammad (saw) freed him and gave
him the choice to go with his father, who had come, to take him, but
he refused to go with his father and preferred to stay with the
Prophet. Muhammad (saw) loved Usama, son of Zaid, so much that he used
to say that if he had been a girl, he would have adorned him with
ornaments.
Slaves felt humiliated at being called slaves. He advised his
companions not to say "my slave" or "my slave-girl" but to say, "my
son" or "my daughter." He also told the slaves not to call their
masters "lord" for Allah alone was the Lord. He was so kind to slaves
that his last admonition before he died was, "Fear Allah in regard to
your slaves." Abu Dharr (ra) was one of the converts and Muhammad
(saw) praised him for his honesty. Once he abused a non-Arab slave,
who complained to the Noble Prophet (saw) about this.
He reprimanded Abu Dharr (ra) and said, "You still have some traces of
Days of Ignorance; these slaves are your brothers. Allah has given you
authority over them; if they are not suited to your temperament, sell
them. Don't harm Allah's creatures. Give them to eat what you eat; and
to wear what you wear. Don't give them that much work which they
cannot do. If you assign a piece of work to them which is beyond their
capacity, then give them a helping hand to finish their work."
Once Abu Masud Ansari (ra) was beating his slave when he heard a voice
behind him say, "Abu Masud! Allah has more power and control over you
than you have over this slave." Abu Masud (ra) turned and saw that it
was Allah's Messenger (saw). He said, "O Allah's Messenger! I free
this slave for the pleasure of Allah." Prophet Muhammad (saw) replied,
"If you had not done so, the fire of Hell would have touched you."
People in those days arranged the marriages of slaves but forcibly
separated them whenever they wished. One man arranged the marriage of
his slave to his slave-girl and then waited to separate them. The
slave complained to Allah's Messenger (saw), who stood up in the
Mosque and addressed the people, "Why do people marry slaves and then
separate them? The right of marriage and divorce belongs only to the
husband and wife."
The effect of this kindness was that many slaves of polytheists used
to run away and come to him. He used to grant them freedom. When the
spoils of war were distributed, slaves were given their due share. The
newly freed slaves received their shares first for they did not have
any property.
Once a man came to Prophet Muhammad (saw) and said, "O Allah's
Messenger! How many times should I forgive the mistakes of slaves?"
The Noble Prophet (saw) kept quiet. The man repeated his question
three times, and the Prophet replied at the third time, "Forgive them
seventy times every day." A man had two slaves but was not happy with
them. He used to beat and abuse them but they did not change their
ways. He complained to the Prophet (saw) and asked for his advice.
Prophet Muhammad (saw) said that if his punishment was in proportion
to their wrongs, well and good; otherwise Allah would punish him for
his excesses.
On hearing this, the man was upset and began crying. Prophet Muhammad
(saw) recited the verse from the Qur'an, "We shall set up scales of
justice on the Day of Judgment." (1:47), and observed that the man did
not read the Qur'an. After this he said, "O Allah's Messenger, it is
better that I release them from my possession. Be witness that they
are now free
> Just focus on these and I will ask for the rest later. Dont evade
> again
Why you don't believe in One Almighty Creator Allah?
"Do not the Unbelievers see that the heavens and the earth were joined
together, then We clove them asunder and We got every living thing out
of the water. Will they not then believe?" --sura 41, verse 11.
Who created you Allah, the Idols or Hindu Kali?
الله عليه وسلم), and the Book (the Qur’ân) which He has sent down to
His Messenger, and the Scripture which He sent down to those before
(him); and whosoever disbelieves in Allâh, His Angels, His Books, His
Messengers, and the Last Day, then indeed he has strayed far away.
On Feb 8, 1:51 am, uNmaivirumbi <tripurant...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Feb 7, 2:23 pm, arah <araharah2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Let me share a precious story about the first revelation received by
> > our beloved Prophet Muhammad s.a.w happened in Hira’ Cave. The Gabriel
> > came and said to Muhammad: Read! And Muhammad said: I cannot read.
> > After that, the Gabriel asks Muhammad to read again in 3 times.
> > Finally, he felt so scare and exhausted. Thus, the Gabriel hugs Him to
> > calm our Prophet.
>
> I asked many questions. You answered not one. Let me focus on one.
>
> How do you know it was Gabriel Mohammad spoke to? How did Mohammad
> know it was Gabriel? How did he verify that? Do you know that Mohammad
> thought it was a ghost and it was *Khadija* suggested it could be
> Gabriel!
Narrated 'Aisha: (the mother of the faithful believers)
> How do you know it was Gabriel Mohammad spoke to? How did Mohammad
> know it was Gabriel? How did he verify that? Do you know that Mohammad
> thought it was a ghost and it was *Khadija* suggested it could be
> Gabriel!
The commencement of the Divine Inspiration to Allah's Apostle was in
the form of good dreams
which came true like bright day light, and then the love of seclusion
was bestowed upon him. He
used to go in seclusion in the cave of Hira where he used to worship
(Allah alone) continuously
for many days before his desire to see his family. He used to take
with him on the journey food
for the stay and then come back to (his wife) Khadija to take his food
like-wise again till suddenly
the Truth descended upon him while he was in the cave of Hira. The
angel came to him and
asked him to read. The Prophet replied, "I do not know how to read ".
The Prophet added,
"The angel caught me (forcefully) and pressed me so hard that I could
not bear it any more. He
then released me and again asked me to read and I replied, 'I do not
know how to read.'
Thereupon he caught me again and pressed me a second time till I could
not bear it any more.
He then released me and again asked me to read but again I replied, 'I
do not know how to read'.
Thereupon he caught me for the third time and pressed me, and then
released me and
said,
'Read in the name of your Lord, who has created (all that exists) has
created man from
a clot. Read! And your Lord is the Most Generous." (96.1, 96.2, 96.3)
Then Allah's Apostle
returned with the Inspiration and with his heart beating severely.
Then he went to Khadija bint
Khuwailid and said, "Cover me! Cover me!" They covered him till his
fear was over and after that
he told her everything that had happened and said, "I fear that
something may happen to me."
Khadija replied, "Never! By Allah, Allah will never disgrace you. You
keep good relations with
your kith and kin, help the poor and the destitute, serve your guests
generously and assist the
deserving calamity-afflicted ones."
Khadija then accompanied him to her cousin Waraqa bin Naufal bin Asad
bin 'Abdul 'Uzza, who,
during the Pre-Islamic Period became a Christian and used to write the
writing with Hebrew
letters. He would write from the Gospel in Hebrew as much as Allah
wished him to write. He was
an old man and had lost his eyesight. Khadija said to Waraqa, "Listen
to the story of your
nephew, O my cousin!" Waraqa asked, "O my nephew! What have you seen?"
Allah's Apostle
described whatever he had seen. Waraqa said, "This is the same one who
keeps the secrets
(angel Gabriel) whom Allah had sent to Moses. I wish I were young and
could live up to the time
when your people would turn you out." Allah's Apostle asked, "Will
they drive me out?" Waraqa
replied in the affirmative and said, "Anyone (man) who came with
something similar to what you
have brought was treated with hostility; and if I should remain alive
till the day when you will be
turned out then I would support you strongly." But after a few days
Waraqa died and the Divine
Inspiration was also paused for a while.
(Bukhari 1.1.3 M.K)
Who is Angel Gabriel
The angel Jibraaiyl (Gabriel) is the most recognizable angel, as in
Islam this angel delivers the message of God (Allah) to the Islamic
prophet, Muhammad. This message is the Qur'an. Angels can take on
different forms, including human.[3]
>
> Anyway God did not ever speak to Mohammad. So claiming Koran is from
> God is false
From 'Umar, may Allah be pleased with him, there is that he said,
"While we were sitting with the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless
with him and grant him peace, one day a man came up to us whose
clothes were extremely white, whose hair was extremely black, upon
whom traces of travelling could not be seen, and whom none of us knew,
until he sat down close to the Prophet, may Allah bless with him and
grant him peace, so that he rested his knees upon his knees and placed
his two hands upon his thighs and said, 'Muhammad, tell me about
Islam.' The Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless with him and grant him
peace, said, 'Islam is that you witness that there is no god but Allah
and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and you establish the
prayer, and you give the Zakat, and you fast Ramadan, and you perform
the hajj of the House if you are able to take a way to it.' He said,
'You have told the truth,' and we were amazed at him asking him and
[then] telling him that he told the truth. He said, 'Tell me about
iman.' He said, 'That you affirm Allah, His angels, His books, His
messengers, and the Last Day, and that you affirm the Decree, the good
of it and the bad of it.' He said, 'You have told the truth.' He said,
'Tell me about ihsan.' He said, 'That you worship Allah as if you see
Him, for if you don't see Him then truly He sees you.' He said, 'Tell
me about the Hour.' He said, 'The one asked about it knows no more
than the one asking.' He said, 'Then tell me about its tokens.' He
said, 'That the female slave should give birth to her mistress, and
you see poor, naked, barefoot shepherds of sheep and goats competing
in making tall buildings.' He went away, and I remained some time.
Then he asked, 'Umar, do you know who the questioner was?' I said,
'Allah and His Messenger know best.' He said, 'He was Jibril who came
to you to teach you your deen'." Muslim (8) narrated it.
> Secondly what about ma malakat aymanukum sanctioning sexual abuse of
> captured nonmuslim women in war?
scripture teach about slave?
The Noble Prophet (saw) was particularly kind to slaves. He used to
say, "They are your brothers; give them to eat what you eat, and give
them to wear what you wear." Whenever he received any slaves, he
always gave them freedom but they could never free themselves from his
kindness and generosity. They left their parents, relatives and
families and regarded it as an honor to live in bondage to him.
Zaid Ibn Haritha (ra) was a slave. Muhammad (saw) freed him and gave
him the choice to go with his father, who had come, to take him, but
he refused to go with his father and preferred to stay with the
Prophet. Muhammad (saw) loved Usama, son of Zaid, so much that he used
to say that if he had been a girl, he would have adorned him with
ornaments.
Slaves felt humiliated at being called slaves. He advised his
companions not to say "my slave" or "my slave-girl" but to say, "my
son" or "my daughter." He also told the slaves not to call their
masters "lord" for Allah alone was the Lord. He was so kind to slaves
that his last admonition before he died was, "Fear Allah in regard to
your slaves." Abu Dharr (ra) was one of the converts and Muhammad
(saw) praised him for his honesty. Once he abused a non-Arab slave,
who complained to the Noble Prophet (saw) about this.
He reprimanded Abu Dharr (ra) and said, "You still have some traces of
Days of Ignorance; these slaves are your brothers. Allah has given you
authority over them; if they are not suited to your temperament, sell
them. Don't harm Allah's creatures. Give them to eat what you eat; and
to wear what you wear. Don't give them that much work which they
cannot do. If you assign a piece of work to them which is beyond their
capacity, then give them a helping hand to finish their work."
Once Abu Masud Ansari (ra) was beating his slave when he heard a voice
behind him say, "Abu Masud! Allah has more power and control over you
than you have over this slave." Abu Masud (ra) turned and saw that it
was Allah's Messenger (saw). He said, "O Allah's Messenger! I free
this slave for the pleasure of Allah." Prophet Muhammad (saw) replied,
"If you had not done so, the fire of Hell would have touched you."
People in those days arranged the marriages of slaves but forcibly
separated them whenever they wished. One man arranged the marriage of
his slave to his slave-girl and then waited to separate them. The
slave complained to Allah's Messenger (saw), who stood up in the
Mosque and addressed the people, "Why do people marry slaves and then
separate them? The right of marriage and divorce belongs only to the
husband and wife."
The effect of this kindness was that many slaves of polytheists used
to run away and come to him. He used to grant them freedom. When the
spoils of war were distributed, slaves were given their due share. The
newly freed slaves received their shares first for they did not have
any property.
Once a man came to Prophet Muhammad (saw) and said, "O Allah's
Messenger! How many times should I forgive the mistakes of slaves?"
The Noble Prophet (saw) kept quiet. The man repeated his question
three times, and the Prophet replied at the third time, "Forgive them
seventy times every day." A man had two slaves but was not happy with
them. He used to beat and abuse them but they did not change their
ways. He complained to the Prophet (saw) and asked for his advice.
Prophet Muhammad (saw) said that if his punishment was in proportion
to their wrongs, well and good; otherwise Allah would punish him for
his excesses.
On hearing this, the man was upset and began crying. Prophet Muhammad
(saw) recited the verse from the Qur'an, "We shall set up scales of
justice on the Day of Judgment." (1:47), and observed that the man did
not read the Qur'an. After this he said, "O Allah's Messenger, it is
better that I release them from my possession. Be witness that they
are now free
> Just focus on these and I will ask for the rest later. Dont evade
> again
"Do not the Unbelievers see that the heavens and the earth were joined
together, then We clove them asunder and We got every living thing out
of the water. Will they not then believe?" --sura 41, verse 11.
Who created you Allah, the Idols or Hindu Kali?
Myself Mallu, Yourself?
Feb 9, 2012, 9:26:31 AM2/9/12
to
On 2/8/2012 9:55 AM, arah wrote:
> O you who believe! Believe in Allâh, and His Messenger (Muhammad صلى
> الله عليه وسلم), and the Book (the Qur’ân) which He has sent down to
> His Messenger, and the Scripture which He sent down to those before
> (him); and whosoever disbelieves in Allâh, His Angels, His Books, His
> Messengers, and the Last Day, then indeed he has strayed far away.
>
Yuck! No thanks. Save this crap for His Gullibles, His Quadrupeds, and
> O you who believe! Believe in Allâh, and His Messenger (Muhammad صلى
> الله عليه وسلم), and the Book (the Qur’ân) which He has sent down to
> His Messenger, and the Scripture which He sent down to those before
> (him); and whosoever disbelieves in Allâh, His Angels, His Books, His
> Messengers, and the Last Day, then indeed he has strayed far away.
>
His Boom-Boom Artists.
--
VB, Ubetjotushy
'ome=shanty
and/or www.mantra.com/jai
Feb 9, 2012, 1:17:56 PM2/9/12
to
About goon 'Myself, Mallu. Yourself?' (V. Bhattathiri)
<KalluM...@gmail.com> and the goon's flunky and sexual pervert
Dayashankar M. Joshi 'DMJoshi' <jos...@gmail.com>
[Rakesh Tiwari, Satish Kumar write]
About the terrorist Goon Squad:
As everyone knows, a goon is a bully or thug who terrorizes or tries
to do away with opposition.
"Myself, Mallu. Yourself?" (V. Bhattathiri) <KalluM...@gmail.com>
tries his best to be a bully -- telling others what and when to post,
where to post and where not to post, deliberately publishing lies
about others, stalking and abusing them with hate speech -- but fails
miserably. He is really stressed out, and like his lap dog Prem
Thomas (who currently posts as "P. Rajah" <us...@this.com>, and issues
*death threats* to people), is priming himself for conditions such as
stroke and heart disease. Others in the Goon Squad include
Dayashankar M. Joshi "DMJoshi" <jos...@gmail.com> who displays
unquestioning obedience to Goon Squad thugs, and the instigator who
posts as "Bholu" <bh...@hotmail.com>
The Goon Squad currently post most of their abuse through eternal-
september.org and by writing someone else's name or handle in the
"From:" header -- their favorite now is "fana...@gmail.com" (note
the extra "b" and "gmail.com") to make it appear as if the posts are
from "fan...@aol.com", who has been a regular poster for many years.
-Updated on February 2, 2012-
-----
Sexual pervert Dayashankar Joshi
Take proven sexual pervert Dayashankar M. Joshi to see his
psychiatrist
In article <beaa3407-6b54-423d...@m5g2000prh.googlegroups.com>,
Rakesh <rtiwa...@yahoo.com> posted:
>
> On Jul 21, 11:55=C2=A0am, Satish Kumar <sk_c...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On Jul 21, 2:01=C2=A0am, DMJoshi <josh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Jul 21, 9:33=C2=A0am, Satish Kumar <sk_c...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> On Jul 21, 1:28=C2=A0am, DMJoshi <josh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>> On Jul 21, 9:24=C2=A0am, Satish Kumar <sk_c...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>>> On Jul 21, 12:52=C2=A0am, DMJoshi <josh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>>>> On Jul 21, 8:44=C2=A0am, Satish Kumar <sk_c...@yahoo.com> wrote=
> :
>>
>>>>>>>> On Jul 21, 12:25=C2=A0am, DMJoshi <dmjos...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>>> On Jul 21, 8:15=C2=A0am, Satish Kumar <sk_c...@yahoo.com> w=
> rote:
>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 20, 10:37=C2=A0pm, DMJoshi <josh...@gmail.com> wro=
> te:
>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 20, 6:25=C2=A0pm, Satish Kumar <sk_c...@yahoo.co=
> m> wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 20, 6:31=C2=A0am, DMJoshi <josh...@gmail.com> =
> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 19, 10:33=C2=A0pm, Rakesh <rtiwary...@yahoo.=
> com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Joshijee, what is you relationship with Harrow's =
> Saeeda Khan?
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not that I remember unless she is your mother.
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> His Holeness Dayananda Joshi's memory wasn't notewort=
> hy even at the
>>>>>>>>>>>> best of times. Now at 73, it may have become worse un=
> less His Holeness
>>>>>>>>>>>> is indulging in subterfuge by feigning forgetfulness.
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Saeeda Khan may have come to know His Holeness Dayash=
> ankar Joshi
>>>>>>>>>>>> through Hansaben. Saeeda Khan and Hansa Joshi were bo=
> th born and
>>>>>>>>>>>> brought up in East Africa.
>>
>>>>>>>>>>> How did your mother come to know me?
>>
>>>>>>>>>> Stop hallucinating. Nobody's mother or sister wants to kn=
> ow you.
>>
>>>>>>>>> Yours are dripping sticky on their =E0=A4=AB=E0=A5=81=E0=A4=
> =A6=E0=A5=8D=E0=A4=A6=E0=A5=80s
>>
>>>>>>>> You are already 73
>>
>>>>>>> And yet it is my =E0=A4=B2=E0=A5=8C=E0=A4=A1=E0=A4=BE
>>>>>>> that is on your mind all your waking hours and
>>>>>>> in your dreams.
>>
>>>>>> Get a grip on yourself. Your catheter-ridden penis
>>
>>>>> How do you know of it if you did not suck it?
>>
>>>> Your male nurse at Nothwick Park Hospital has been
>>>> bad-mouthing your catheter-ridden penis.
>>
>>> You are sucking his =E0=A4=B2=E0=A5=8C=E0=A4=A1=E0=A4=BE as well.
>>
>> At 73, you do yourself no favor by indulging in such fantasies.
>> Without a course correction, you are certain to return to earth as a
>> cockroach in your next life.
>>
>> If you are not ready for vanaprastha, try reading the Geeta. If you
>> try sincerely, you might be able to shake your mind off such unholy
>> dreams.
>>
>> BTW, does Hansa Joshi know about your posts? Or do you do them behind
>> Hansaben's back? Be careful. If she ever comes to know of your dirty
>> posts, she might make you =C2=A0gulp down a bottle of drain cleaner to
>> cleanse you of filthy dreams.
>>
>
> This indeed is the real problem for DM Joshi - he is endangering not
> just his future in th next world but even his present in this world.
>
>
> Hansa Joshi is unlikely to take kindly to DM Joshi if she finds out
> what he has been posting behind her back. And, then, yes, Hansaben
> might very well force drain cleaner into DM Joshi to unclog the filthy
> dreams bottled inside him.
Take proven sexual pervert Dayashankar M. Joshi to see his psychiatrist
Dayashankar has proven himself to be quite vulgar of mind and
expression. He has also demonstrated that he publishes lies as well
as malicious defamataion based on lies.
One may wish to contact Deep Joshi, Hansaben Joshi, Vikesh Khakhar
and Rashmi Khakhar about making sure that sexual pervert Dayashankar
M. Joshi gets to see his psychiatrist regularly. Perhaps they can
help.
Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti
[ Subject: Re: His Holeness Dayashankar M. Joshi's addiction and fear
[ of withdrawal pains
[ From: Rakesh <rtiwa...@yahoo.com>
[ Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.indian.gujarati,
[ soc.culture.indian.marathi,soc.culture.indian.delhi,
[ soc.culture.indian.kerala
[ Message-ID: <edef513e-1aa4-4e48-9ce2-
[ 10393e...@g3g2000prf.googlegroups.com>
[ Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2011 14:25:18 -0700 (PDT)
[
[
[ On Jul 19, 12:25 pm, Satish Kumar <sk_c...@yahoo.com> wrote:
[[ On Jul 17, 12:05 am, DMJoshi <josh...@gmail.com> wrote:
[[ On 7/18/2011 4:10 AM, DMJoshi wrote:
[[
[[[[ When Bhadve do Bhadwai what do they sell after they have
[[[[ oversold their own holes?
[[
[[[ You are hankering for that for your mother and sisters no doubt.
[[
[[ His Holeness Dayashankar M. Joshi's addiction and fear of withdrawal
[[ pains:
[[
[[ His Holeness Dayashankar Joshi is addicted to fantasies about
[[ committing "Back Hole Balaatkaar" upon fellow netizens, their mothers
[[ and their sisters. He needs psychiatric care. But so afraid is His
[[ Holeness Dayashankar Joshi about withdrawal pains from trying to kick
[[ his addiction that he would rather jump off the Kenton Bridge or gulp
[[ down a bottle of toilet bowl cleaner than seek psychiatric care.
[[
[[ If His Holeness Dayashankar Joshi is not comfortable with his court-
[[ appointed psychiatrist at Cygnet Hospital, he should heed Hansa
[[ Joshi's advice to go to another psychiatrist. Unfortunately, Hansa
[[ Joshi is yet to persuade His Holeness Dayashankar Joshi to pay a visit
[[ to a psychiatrist at the Northwick Park Hospital which has an
[[ excellent psychiatric ward.
[
[ What does Harrow woman Saeeda Khan have to do with DM Joshi? Is she
[ Joshijee's employer? Psychiatrist? Nurse? Landlord ?
[
[ Has Joshijee been day dreaming about "mounting" Saeeda Khan's "back
[ hole" as well?
[
[ Joshijee needs to overcome his fear of withdrawl pain in coping with
[ his mental addiction to "back holes". The sooner he seeks psychiatric
[ help the better.
[
[ Hansa Joshi is to be commended for her efforts to get Joshijee
[ admitted into Northwick Park Hospital. Good psychiatric care would
[ make a big difference to the quality of whaever is left of 73-year
[ Joshijee's life.
[
[ Hansaben has my sympathies. She is in my thoughts and prayers. May
[ her efforts make a difference in Joshijee' remaining life.
[
[ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
[
[ Subject: Re: His Holeness Dayashankar M. Joshi's addiction and fear
[ of withdrawal pains
[ From: Satish Kumar <sk_...@yahoo.com>
[ Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.indian.gujarati,
[ soc.culture.indian.marathi,soc.culture.indian.delhi,
[ soc.culture.indian.kerala
[ Message-ID: <88d0e589-e837-4174-88b4-
[ 777dca...@j14g2000prn.googlegroups.com>
[ Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2011 16:33:04 -0700 (PDT)
[
[
[ On Jul 19, 2:25 pm, Rakesh <rtiwary...@yahoo.com[ wrote:
[[ On Jul 19, 12:25 pm, Satish Kumar <sk_c...@yahoo.com[ wrote:
[[
[[[ On Jul 17, 12:05 am, DMJoshi <josh...@gmail.com[ wrote:
[[[ On 7/18/2011 4:10 AM, DMJoshi wrote:
[[
[[[[[ When Bhadve do Bhadwai what do they sell after they have
[[[[[ oversold their own holes?
[[
[[[[ You are hankering for that for your mother and sisters no doubt.
[[
[[[ His Holeness Dayashankar M. Joshi's addiction and fear of withdrawal
[[[ pains:
[[
[[[ His Holeness Dayashankar Joshi is addicted to fantasies about
[[[ committing "Back Hole Balaatkaar" upon fellow netizens, their mothers
[[[ and their sisters. He needs psychiatric care. But so afraid is His
[[[ Holeness Dayashankar Joshi about withdrawal pains from trying to kick
[[[ his addiction that he would rather jump off the Kenton Bridge or gulp
[[[ down a bottle of toilet bowl cleaner than seek psychiatric care.
[[
[[[ If His Holeness Dayashankar Joshi is not comfortable with his court-
[[[ appointed psychiatrist at Cygnet Hospital, he should heed Hansa
[[[ Joshi's advice to go to another psychiatrist. Unfortunately, Hansa
[[[ Joshi is yet to persuade His Holeness Dayashankar Joshi to pay a visit
[[[ to a psychiatrist at the Northwick Park Hospital which has an
[[[ excellent psychiatric ward.
[[
[[ What does Harrow woman Saeeda Khan have to do with DM Joshi? Is she
[[ Joshijee's employer? Psychiatrist? Nurse? Landlord ?
[[
[[ Has Joshijee been day dreaming about "mounting" Saeeda Khan's "back
[[ hole" as well?
[[
[[ Joshijee needs to overcome his fear of withdrawl pain in coping with
[[ his mental addiction to "back holes". The sooner he seeks psychiatric
[[ help the better.
[[
[[ Hansa Joshi is to be commended for her efforts to get Joshijee
[[ admitted into Northwick Park Hospital. Good psychiatric care would
[[ make a big difference to the quality of whaever is left of 73-year
[[ Joshijee's life.
[[
[[ Hansaben has my sympathies. She is in my thoughts and prayers. May
[[ her efforts make a difference in Joshijee' remaining life.
[
[ Saeeda Khan may have come to know His Holeness Dayashankar Joshi
[ through Hansaben. Saeeda Khan and Hansa Joshi were both born and
[ brought up in East Africa. Now Saeeda Khan and Dayashankar Joshi are
[ both in trouble with the law. Here's a post by His Holeness
[ Dayashankar Joshi on Saeeda Lhan:
[
[ On Oct 26 2010, 2:16 am, DMJoshi <dmjos...@gmail.com[ wrote:
[[ On Sep 14, 8:10 am, DMJoshi <josh...@gmail.com[ wrote:
[[
[[[http://www.harrowtimes.co.uk/news/8388381.Not_guilty_plea_in_first_mo...
[[
[[[ Wonder from where on Indian subcontinent her ancestors migrated to
[[[ Tanzania(Tangnika)
[[
[[ She is going to be prosecuted
[[
[[ http://www.harrowtimes.co.uk/news/8473827.Harrow_woman_to_face_trial_...
[[
[[ There was a Gujarati Hindu woman very likey from Harow or Brent who
[[ was jailed for long period for the same crime.
[
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-----
In article <c3ce4583-1855-4319...@p29g2000pre.googlegroups.com>,
Rakesh <rtiwa...@yahoo.com> posted:
>
> On Jul 20, 2:00 am, Satish Kumar <sk_c...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On Jul 20, 1:47 am, "Myself, Mallu. Yourself?"
>>
>> <KalluMallu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On 7/20/2011 1:37 AM, Satish Kumar wrote:
>>
>>>> On Jul 20, 1:19 am, "Myself, Mallu. Yourself?"
>>>> <KalluMallu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On 7/18/2011 3:36 PM, Rakesh wrote:
>>
>>>>>> On Jul 18, 5:04 am, "Myself, Mallu. Yourself?"
>>>>>> <KalluMallu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 7/18/2011 4:10 AM, DMJoshi wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>> On Jul 18, 11:59 am, "Myself, Mallu. Yourself?"
>>>>>>>> <KalluMallu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>>> Bhadave ho ya naheen, inki maa-behen se kya taalluq?
>>
>>>>>>>> When Bhadve do Bhadwai what do they sell after they have
>>>>>>>> oversold their own holes?
>>
>>>>>>> Namaaloom.
>>
>>>>>> crap deleted
>>
>>>>> Based on this rant of yours, all I can say is "pot-kettle-
>>>>> black." No one ever compelled you to reply to Joshiji's posts,
>>>>> esp. if you did not think highly of them in the first place.
>>
>>>> Tiwary might not care much for your "whiter than pot-kettle"
>>>> posturing either. But I suspect he might consider sympathizing
>>>> with you if His Holeness Dayashankar Joshi comments on "back
>>>> holes" that are closer to you than were in this case..
>>
>>> Bollocks! I do not give Joshiji the opportunity to make such
>>> comments to me. You write provocatively, you'll get your
>>> comeuppance. Spare me the crap.
>>
>> Not impressed with your rant. Look through His Holeness
>> Dayashankar Joshi's posts in this thread. If "writing
>> provocatively" is the excuse, then His Holeness Dayashankar
>> Joshi has nothing to complain about - he had asked for what
>> he got from Tiwary.
>>
>> Tiwary himself has commented on this in previous posts - by
>> selectively taking exception to posts by His Holeness dayashankar
>> Joshi's victims, you are either unwittingly or deliberately
>> encouraging him to make "such comments".
>
> Precisely.
>
> Satishjee, I can quite understand why you are unimpressed by Shriman
> Bhattahiri's show of indignant outrage.
>
> And, anyway, Shriman Bhattahiri lives in a glass house. His posts are
> seldom anything other than of the "provocative/patronizing" genre. But
> that should never be an acceptable excuse for anyone to indulge in
> fantasies about Shriman Bhattahiri's "back hole" or that of his mother
> and sisters. I can't quite fathom why Sriman Bhattahiri has taken to
> upholding His Holeness Dayashankar Joshi's penchant for sodomy-laced
> vulgar outbursts. Does he hope to get named in Joshijee's will ?!
>
> Shriman Bhattahiri may have his own reasons to harbor tender feelings
> for His Holeness Dayashankar Joshi. But he does His Holeness
> absolutely no good (and only harm) by selectively expressing distaste
> for posts by His Holeness Dayashankar Joshi's victims. It makes His
> Holeness conclude that it is cute to "react viscerally" to
> "provocations" and "patronizing replies" by indulging in vulgar
> outbursts about sodomizing the "enemy" and his mother and sisters as
> well. Unwittingly or deliberately, Shriman Bhattahiri is encouraging
> His Holeness Dayashankar Joshi to continue to indulge in his fantasies
> about "back holes".
>
> Shriman Bhattahiri's expression of indignant outrage is at best a case
> of naivety. At worst, Shriman Bhattahiri is acting agent provocateur
> egging on His Holeness beyond the "Hole-y Rekha" so that he can enjoy
> the show from the sideline. With friends like Shriman Bhattahiri, His
> Holeness Dayashankar Joshi has little hope of recovery from his mental
> disorder.
>
> Far better (and kinder) if His Holeness Dayashankar Joshi is told
> that he should never ever skip sessions with his psychiatrist. Far
> better (and kinder) to encourage His Holeness to heed Hansa Joshi's
> entreaties to seek treatment at the psychiatric ward at Northwick Park
> Hospital if he is really all that unhappy with his court appointed
> psychiatrist at Cygnet Hospital.
>
> Shriman Bhattahiri does His Holeness DM Joshi no favor but a great
> deal of harm by feeding into his illusion that he is cute when he
> spews "back holes,, mothers and sisters".
Which court appointed a psychiatrist for Dayashankar, why and when?
Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti
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<KalluM...@gmail.com> and the goon's flunky and sexual pervert
Dayashankar M. Joshi 'DMJoshi' <jos...@gmail.com>
[Rakesh Tiwari, Satish Kumar write]
About the terrorist Goon Squad:
As everyone knows, a goon is a bully or thug who terrorizes or tries
to do away with opposition.
"Myself, Mallu. Yourself?" (V. Bhattathiri) <KalluM...@gmail.com>
tries his best to be a bully -- telling others what and when to post,
where to post and where not to post, deliberately publishing lies
about others, stalking and abusing them with hate speech -- but fails
miserably. He is really stressed out, and like his lap dog Prem
Thomas (who currently posts as "P. Rajah" <us...@this.com>, and issues
*death threats* to people), is priming himself for conditions such as
stroke and heart disease. Others in the Goon Squad include
Dayashankar M. Joshi "DMJoshi" <jos...@gmail.com> who displays
unquestioning obedience to Goon Squad thugs, and the instigator who
posts as "Bholu" <bh...@hotmail.com>
The Goon Squad currently post most of their abuse through eternal-
september.org and by writing someone else's name or handle in the
"From:" header -- their favorite now is "fana...@gmail.com" (note
the extra "b" and "gmail.com") to make it appear as if the posts are
from "fan...@aol.com", who has been a regular poster for many years.
-Updated on February 2, 2012-
-----
Sexual pervert Dayashankar Joshi
Take proven sexual pervert Dayashankar M. Joshi to see his
psychiatrist
In article <beaa3407-6b54-423d...@m5g2000prh.googlegroups.com>,
Rakesh <rtiwa...@yahoo.com> posted:
>
> On Jul 21, 11:55=C2=A0am, Satish Kumar <sk_c...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On Jul 21, 2:01=C2=A0am, DMJoshi <josh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Jul 21, 9:33=C2=A0am, Satish Kumar <sk_c...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> On Jul 21, 1:28=C2=A0am, DMJoshi <josh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>> On Jul 21, 9:24=C2=A0am, Satish Kumar <sk_c...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>>> On Jul 21, 12:52=C2=A0am, DMJoshi <josh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>>>> On Jul 21, 8:44=C2=A0am, Satish Kumar <sk_c...@yahoo.com> wrote=
> :
>>
>>>>>>>> On Jul 21, 12:25=C2=A0am, DMJoshi <dmjos...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>>> On Jul 21, 8:15=C2=A0am, Satish Kumar <sk_c...@yahoo.com> w=
> rote:
>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 20, 10:37=C2=A0pm, DMJoshi <josh...@gmail.com> wro=
> te:
>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 20, 6:25=C2=A0pm, Satish Kumar <sk_c...@yahoo.co=
> m> wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 20, 6:31=C2=A0am, DMJoshi <josh...@gmail.com> =
> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 19, 10:33=C2=A0pm, Rakesh <rtiwary...@yahoo.=
> com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Joshijee, what is you relationship with Harrow's =
> Saeeda Khan?
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not that I remember unless she is your mother.
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> His Holeness Dayananda Joshi's memory wasn't notewort=
> hy even at the
>>>>>>>>>>>> best of times. Now at 73, it may have become worse un=
> less His Holeness
>>>>>>>>>>>> is indulging in subterfuge by feigning forgetfulness.
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Saeeda Khan may have come to know His Holeness Dayash=
> ankar Joshi
>>>>>>>>>>>> through Hansaben. Saeeda Khan and Hansa Joshi were bo=
> th born and
>>>>>>>>>>>> brought up in East Africa.
>>
>>>>>>>>>>> How did your mother come to know me?
>>
>>>>>>>>>> Stop hallucinating. Nobody's mother or sister wants to kn=
> ow you.
>>
>>>>>>>>> Yours are dripping sticky on their =E0=A4=AB=E0=A5=81=E0=A4=
> =A6=E0=A5=8D=E0=A4=A6=E0=A5=80s
>>
>>>>>>>> You are already 73
>>
>>>>>>> And yet it is my =E0=A4=B2=E0=A5=8C=E0=A4=A1=E0=A4=BE
>>>>>>> that is on your mind all your waking hours and
>>>>>>> in your dreams.
>>
>>>>>> Get a grip on yourself. Your catheter-ridden penis
>>
>>>>> How do you know of it if you did not suck it?
>>
>>>> Your male nurse at Nothwick Park Hospital has been
>>>> bad-mouthing your catheter-ridden penis.
>>
>>> You are sucking his =E0=A4=B2=E0=A5=8C=E0=A4=A1=E0=A4=BE as well.
>>
>> At 73, you do yourself no favor by indulging in such fantasies.
>> Without a course correction, you are certain to return to earth as a
>> cockroach in your next life.
>>
>> If you are not ready for vanaprastha, try reading the Geeta. If you
>> try sincerely, you might be able to shake your mind off such unholy
>> dreams.
>>
>> BTW, does Hansa Joshi know about your posts? Or do you do them behind
>> Hansaben's back? Be careful. If she ever comes to know of your dirty
>> posts, she might make you =C2=A0gulp down a bottle of drain cleaner to
>> cleanse you of filthy dreams.
>>
>
> This indeed is the real problem for DM Joshi - he is endangering not
> just his future in th next world but even his present in this world.
>
>
> Hansa Joshi is unlikely to take kindly to DM Joshi if she finds out
> what he has been posting behind her back. And, then, yes, Hansaben
> might very well force drain cleaner into DM Joshi to unclog the filthy
> dreams bottled inside him.
Take proven sexual pervert Dayashankar M. Joshi to see his psychiatrist
Dayashankar has proven himself to be quite vulgar of mind and
expression. He has also demonstrated that he publishes lies as well
as malicious defamataion based on lies.
One may wish to contact Deep Joshi, Hansaben Joshi, Vikesh Khakhar
and Rashmi Khakhar about making sure that sexual pervert Dayashankar
M. Joshi gets to see his psychiatrist regularly. Perhaps they can
help.
Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti
[ of withdrawal pains
[ From: Rakesh <rtiwa...@yahoo.com>
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[ Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2011 14:25:18 -0700 (PDT)
[
[
[ On Jul 19, 12:25 pm, Satish Kumar <sk_c...@yahoo.com> wrote:
[[ On Jul 17, 12:05 am, DMJoshi <josh...@gmail.com> wrote:
[[ On 7/18/2011 4:10 AM, DMJoshi wrote:
[[
[[[[ When Bhadve do Bhadwai what do they sell after they have
[[[[ oversold their own holes?
[[
[[[ You are hankering for that for your mother and sisters no doubt.
[[
[[ His Holeness Dayashankar M. Joshi's addiction and fear of withdrawal
[[ pains:
[[
[[ His Holeness Dayashankar Joshi is addicted to fantasies about
[[ committing "Back Hole Balaatkaar" upon fellow netizens, their mothers
[[ and their sisters. He needs psychiatric care. But so afraid is His
[[ Holeness Dayashankar Joshi about withdrawal pains from trying to kick
[[ his addiction that he would rather jump off the Kenton Bridge or gulp
[[ down a bottle of toilet bowl cleaner than seek psychiatric care.
[[
[[ If His Holeness Dayashankar Joshi is not comfortable with his court-
[[ appointed psychiatrist at Cygnet Hospital, he should heed Hansa
[[ Joshi's advice to go to another psychiatrist. Unfortunately, Hansa
[[ Joshi is yet to persuade His Holeness Dayashankar Joshi to pay a visit
[[ to a psychiatrist at the Northwick Park Hospital which has an
[[ excellent psychiatric ward.
[
[ What does Harrow woman Saeeda Khan have to do with DM Joshi? Is she
[ Joshijee's employer? Psychiatrist? Nurse? Landlord ?
[
[ Has Joshijee been day dreaming about "mounting" Saeeda Khan's "back
[ hole" as well?
[
[ Joshijee needs to overcome his fear of withdrawl pain in coping with
[ his mental addiction to "back holes". The sooner he seeks psychiatric
[ help the better.
[
[ Hansa Joshi is to be commended for her efforts to get Joshijee
[ admitted into Northwick Park Hospital. Good psychiatric care would
[ make a big difference to the quality of whaever is left of 73-year
[ Joshijee's life.
[
[ Hansaben has my sympathies. She is in my thoughts and prayers. May
[ her efforts make a difference in Joshijee' remaining life.
[
[ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
[
[ Subject: Re: His Holeness Dayashankar M. Joshi's addiction and fear
[ of withdrawal pains
[ From: Satish Kumar <sk_...@yahoo.com>
[ Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian,soc.culture.indian.gujarati,
[ soc.culture.indian.marathi,soc.culture.indian.delhi,
[ soc.culture.indian.kerala
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[ Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2011 16:33:04 -0700 (PDT)
[
[
[ On Jul 19, 2:25 pm, Rakesh <rtiwary...@yahoo.com[ wrote:
[[ On Jul 19, 12:25 pm, Satish Kumar <sk_c...@yahoo.com[ wrote:
[[
[[[ On Jul 17, 12:05 am, DMJoshi <josh...@gmail.com[ wrote:
[[[ On 7/18/2011 4:10 AM, DMJoshi wrote:
[[
[[[[[ When Bhadve do Bhadwai what do they sell after they have
[[[[[ oversold their own holes?
[[
[[[[ You are hankering for that for your mother and sisters no doubt.
[[
[[[ His Holeness Dayashankar M. Joshi's addiction and fear of withdrawal
[[[ pains:
[[
[[[ His Holeness Dayashankar Joshi is addicted to fantasies about
[[[ committing "Back Hole Balaatkaar" upon fellow netizens, their mothers
[[[ and their sisters. He needs psychiatric care. But so afraid is His
[[[ Holeness Dayashankar Joshi about withdrawal pains from trying to kick
[[[ his addiction that he would rather jump off the Kenton Bridge or gulp
[[[ down a bottle of toilet bowl cleaner than seek psychiatric care.
[[
[[[ If His Holeness Dayashankar Joshi is not comfortable with his court-
[[[ appointed psychiatrist at Cygnet Hospital, he should heed Hansa
[[[ Joshi's advice to go to another psychiatrist. Unfortunately, Hansa
[[[ Joshi is yet to persuade His Holeness Dayashankar Joshi to pay a visit
[[[ to a psychiatrist at the Northwick Park Hospital which has an
[[[ excellent psychiatric ward.
[[
[[ What does Harrow woman Saeeda Khan have to do with DM Joshi? Is she
[[ Joshijee's employer? Psychiatrist? Nurse? Landlord ?
[[
[[ Has Joshijee been day dreaming about "mounting" Saeeda Khan's "back
[[ hole" as well?
[[
[[ Joshijee needs to overcome his fear of withdrawl pain in coping with
[[ his mental addiction to "back holes". The sooner he seeks psychiatric
[[ help the better.
[[
[[ Hansa Joshi is to be commended for her efforts to get Joshijee
[[ admitted into Northwick Park Hospital. Good psychiatric care would
[[ make a big difference to the quality of whaever is left of 73-year
[[ Joshijee's life.
[[
[[ Hansaben has my sympathies. She is in my thoughts and prayers. May
[[ her efforts make a difference in Joshijee' remaining life.
[
[ Saeeda Khan may have come to know His Holeness Dayashankar Joshi
[ through Hansaben. Saeeda Khan and Hansa Joshi were both born and
[ brought up in East Africa. Now Saeeda Khan and Dayashankar Joshi are
[ both in trouble with the law. Here's a post by His Holeness
[ Dayashankar Joshi on Saeeda Lhan:
[
[ On Oct 26 2010, 2:16 am, DMJoshi <dmjos...@gmail.com[ wrote:
[[ On Sep 14, 8:10 am, DMJoshi <josh...@gmail.com[ wrote:
[[
[[[http://www.harrowtimes.co.uk/news/8388381.Not_guilty_plea_in_first_mo...
[[
[[[ Wonder from where on Indian subcontinent her ancestors migrated to
[[[ Tanzania(Tangnika)
[[
[[ She is going to be prosecuted
[[
[[ http://www.harrowtimes.co.uk/news/8473827.Harrow_woman_to_face_trial_...
[[
[[ There was a Gujarati Hindu woman very likey from Harow or Brent who
[[ was jailed for long period for the same crime.
[
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-----
In article <c3ce4583-1855-4319...@p29g2000pre.googlegroups.com>,
Rakesh <rtiwa...@yahoo.com> posted:
>
> On Jul 20, 2:00 am, Satish Kumar <sk_c...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On Jul 20, 1:47 am, "Myself, Mallu. Yourself?"
>>
>> <KalluMallu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On 7/20/2011 1:37 AM, Satish Kumar wrote:
>>
>>>> On Jul 20, 1:19 am, "Myself, Mallu. Yourself?"
>>>> <KalluMallu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On 7/18/2011 3:36 PM, Rakesh wrote:
>>
>>>>>> On Jul 18, 5:04 am, "Myself, Mallu. Yourself?"
>>>>>> <KalluMallu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 7/18/2011 4:10 AM, DMJoshi wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>> On Jul 18, 11:59 am, "Myself, Mallu. Yourself?"
>>>>>>>> <KalluMallu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>>> Bhadave ho ya naheen, inki maa-behen se kya taalluq?
>>
>>>>>>>> When Bhadve do Bhadwai what do they sell after they have
>>>>>>>> oversold their own holes?
>>
>>>>>>> Namaaloom.
>>
>>>>>> crap deleted
>>
>>>>> Based on this rant of yours, all I can say is "pot-kettle-
>>>>> black." No one ever compelled you to reply to Joshiji's posts,
>>>>> esp. if you did not think highly of them in the first place.
>>
>>>> Tiwary might not care much for your "whiter than pot-kettle"
>>>> posturing either. But I suspect he might consider sympathizing
>>>> with you if His Holeness Dayashankar Joshi comments on "back
>>>> holes" that are closer to you than were in this case..
>>
>>> Bollocks! I do not give Joshiji the opportunity to make such
>>> comments to me. You write provocatively, you'll get your
>>> comeuppance. Spare me the crap.
>>
>> Not impressed with your rant. Look through His Holeness
>> Dayashankar Joshi's posts in this thread. If "writing
>> provocatively" is the excuse, then His Holeness Dayashankar
>> Joshi has nothing to complain about - he had asked for what
>> he got from Tiwary.
>>
>> Tiwary himself has commented on this in previous posts - by
>> selectively taking exception to posts by His Holeness dayashankar
>> Joshi's victims, you are either unwittingly or deliberately
>> encouraging him to make "such comments".
>
> Precisely.
>
> Satishjee, I can quite understand why you are unimpressed by Shriman
> Bhattahiri's show of indignant outrage.
>
> And, anyway, Shriman Bhattahiri lives in a glass house. His posts are
> seldom anything other than of the "provocative/patronizing" genre. But
> that should never be an acceptable excuse for anyone to indulge in
> fantasies about Shriman Bhattahiri's "back hole" or that of his mother
> and sisters. I can't quite fathom why Sriman Bhattahiri has taken to
> upholding His Holeness Dayashankar Joshi's penchant for sodomy-laced
> vulgar outbursts. Does he hope to get named in Joshijee's will ?!
>
> Shriman Bhattahiri may have his own reasons to harbor tender feelings
> for His Holeness Dayashankar Joshi. But he does His Holeness
> absolutely no good (and only harm) by selectively expressing distaste
> for posts by His Holeness Dayashankar Joshi's victims. It makes His
> Holeness conclude that it is cute to "react viscerally" to
> "provocations" and "patronizing replies" by indulging in vulgar
> outbursts about sodomizing the "enemy" and his mother and sisters as
> well. Unwittingly or deliberately, Shriman Bhattahiri is encouraging
> His Holeness Dayashankar Joshi to continue to indulge in his fantasies
> about "back holes".
>
> Shriman Bhattahiri's expression of indignant outrage is at best a case
> of naivety. At worst, Shriman Bhattahiri is acting agent provocateur
> egging on His Holeness beyond the "Hole-y Rekha" so that he can enjoy
> the show from the sideline. With friends like Shriman Bhattahiri, His
> Holeness Dayashankar Joshi has little hope of recovery from his mental
> disorder.
>
> Far better (and kinder) if His Holeness Dayashankar Joshi is told
> that he should never ever skip sessions with his psychiatrist. Far
> better (and kinder) to encourage His Holeness to heed Hansa Joshi's
> entreaties to seek treatment at the psychiatric ward at Northwick Park
> Hospital if he is really all that unhappy with his court appointed
> psychiatrist at Cygnet Hospital.
>
> Shriman Bhattahiri does His Holeness DM Joshi no favor but a great
> deal of harm by feeding into his illusion that he is cute when he
> spews "back holes,, mothers and sisters".
Which court appointed a psychiatrist for Dayashankar, why and when?
Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti
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Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti
Om Shanti
In article <da54ed10-6ecb-4c5e...@n6g2000vbz.googlegroups.com[,
uNmaivirumbi <tripur...@yahoo.com[ posted:
[
[ Jai Jagadambe!
[
[ Please destroy all evil
[
[ Protect the good people!
Jai Jai Jagadambe Mata!
uNmaivirumbi <tripur...@yahoo.com[ posted:
[
[ Jai Jagadambe!
[
[ Please destroy all evil
[
[ Protect the good people!
Jai Jai Jagadambe Mata!
uNmaivirumbi
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On Feb 8, 12:55 pm, arah <araharah2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I agreed with you I answered not one but many.
You answered none but just cut and paste nonsense
> I agreed with you I answered not one but many.
> Narrated 'Aisha: (the mother of the faithful believers)
agent speak to him, is the evidence?
The simple fact is Mohammad did not even know who spoke to him! It was
never God! This is the devil!
> Who created you Allah, the Idols or Hindu Kali?
*creation*! This is all play of words. Will work with unintelligent
Arabians and muslims! Not with us. Tell me what you understand by the
word *creation*!
arah
Apr 1, 2012, 10:58:33 AM4/1/12
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Islam provides us with the astonishing details of the creation of
Adam[1]. Both Christian and Jewish traditions are remarkably similar
yet importantly different to the Quran. The Book of Genesis describes
Adam as being made from “the dust of the earth,” and in the Talmud,
Adam is described as being kneaded from mud.
And God said to the angels:
“‘Verily, I am going to place mankind generations after generations on
earth.’ They said: ‘Will You place therein those who will make
mischief therein and shed blood, while we glorify You with praises and
thanks and sanctify You.’ God said: ‘I know that which you do not
know.’” (Quran 2:30)
So begins the story of Adam, the first man, the first human being.
God created Adam from a handful of soil containing portions from all
its varieties on Earth. Angels were sent to earth to collect the soil
that was to become Adam. It was red, white, brown, and black; it was
soft and malleable, hard and gritty; it came from the mountains and
the valleys; from infertile deserts and lush fertile plains and all
the natural varieties in between. The descendants of Adam were
destined to be as diverse as the handful of soil from which their
ancestor was created; all have different appearances, attributes and
qualities.
Soil or Clay?
Throughout the Quran, the soil used to create Adam is referred to by
many names, and from this we are able to understand some of the
methodology of his creation. Each name for soil is used at a
different stage of Adam’s creation. Soil, taken from the earth, is
referred to as soil; God also refers to it as clay. When it is mixed
with water it becomes mud, when it is left to stand the water content
reduces and it becomes sticky clay (or mud). If it is again left for
some time it begins to smell, and the colour becomes darker – black,
smooth clay. It was from this substance that God moulded the form of
Adam. His soulless body was left to dry, and it became what is known
in the Quran as sounding clay. Adam was moulded from something akin
to potter’s clay. When it is rapped it produces a ringing sound.[2]
The First Man is Honoured
And God said, to the Angels:
“And (remember) when your Lord said to the angels: ‘I am going to
create a human (Adam) from sounding clay of altered black smooth mud.
So when I have fashioned him and breathed into him (his) soul created
by Me, then you fall down prostrate to him.” (Quran 38:71-72)
God honoured the first humman, Adam, in countless ways. Allah blew
his soul into him, He fashioned him with His own hands and He ordered
the Angels to bow down before him. And God said to the Angels:
“....Prostrate to Adam and they prostrated except Iblees
(Satan)....” (Quran 7:11)
While worship is reserved for God Alone this prostration by the Angels
to Adam was a sign of respect and honour. It is said that, as Adam’s
body trembled into life, he sneezed and immediately said ‘All praise
and thanks is due to God;’ so God responded by bestowing His Mercy
upon Adam. Although this account is not mentioned in either the Quran
or the authentic narrations of the Prophet Muhammad, may the mercy and
blessings of God be upon him, it is mentioned in some commentaries of
the Quran. Thus, in his first seconds of life, the first man is
recognized as an honoured creature, covered with the infinite Mercy of
God.[3]
It was also said by the Prophet Muhammad that God created Adam in His
image.[4] This does not mean that Adam was created to look similar to
God, as God is unique in all His aspects, we are unable to comprehend
or form an image of Him. It does mean, however, that Adam was given
some qualities which also God has, although incomparable. He was
given qualities of mercy, love, free will, and others.
The First Greeting
Adam was instructed to approach a group of Angels sitting near to him
and greet them with the words Assalamu alaikum (May God’s peace be
upon you), they answered ‘and also upon you be God’s peace, mercy and
blessings’. From that day forward these words became the greeting of
those submitted to God. From the moment of Adam’s creation, we his
descendents were instructed to spread peace.
Adam, the Caretaker
God told mankind that He did not create them except that they should
worship Him. Everything in this world was created for Adam and his
descendants, in order to aid us in our ability to worship and know
God. Due to God’s infinite Wisdom, Adam and his descendants were to
be the caretakers on earth, so God taught Adam what he needed to know
to perform this duty. God mentions:
“He taught Adam all the names of everything.” (Quran 2:31)
God gave Adam the ability to identify and designate names to
everything; He taught him language, speech and the ability to
communicate. God imbued Adam with an insatiable need for and love of
knowledge. After Adam had learned the names and uses for all things
God said to the Angels...
“‘tell me the names of these if you are truthful.’ They answered
‘Glory be to You, we have no knowledge except what You have taught
us. Verily it is You the All Knower, the All Wise.’” (Quran 2:31-32)
God turned to Adam and said:
“‘O Adam! Inform them of their names,’ and when he had informed them
of their names, He said: Did I not tell you that I know the unseen in
the heavens and the earth, and I know what you reveal and what you
have been hiding?” (Quran 2:33)
Adam tried to speak with the Angels, but they were occupied
worshipping God. The Angels were given no specific knowledge or
freedom of will, their sole purpose being to worship and praise God.
Adam, on the other hand, was given the ability to reason, make choices
and identify objects and their purpose. This helped to prepare Adam
for his coming role on earth. So Adam knew the names of everything,
but he was alone in Heaven. One morning Adam awoke to find a woman
gazing at him.[5]
Continue reading
The Story of Adam : The Creation of Eve and the Role of Satan
http://www.islamreligion.com/articles/1193/
uNmaivirumbi
Apr 1, 2012, 1:04:23 PM4/1/12
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On Apr 1, 10:58 am, arah <araharah2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> So begins the story of Adam, the first man, the first human being.
> God created Adam from a handful of soil containing portions from all
> its varieties on Earth.
Look. All this is poppycock! Stories which do not make any sense! We
> So begins the story of Adam, the first man, the first human being.
> God created Adam from a handful of soil containing portions from all
> its varieties on Earth.
are Hindus. We are trained to ask questions and we do not believe
anything that does not make sense
Being a Muslim, you are insulated from logic and commonsense and
brainwashed to believe and repeat the same nonsense that Mohammad was
a prophet!
The question is how does God make the soil! Where does the soil come
from? Answer that first
How does God create space?
Also study this:
http://www.islam-watch.org/SujitDas/Unmasking_Muhammad.pdf
If you really want to discuss I can But if you repeat the same Koran
nonsense as proof, it wont work. I do not think Koran is from god at
all. Mohammad is not prophet.
arah
May 24, 2012, 4:43:47 PM5/24/12
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Tell me what the Vedas said about the Creation of man?
and/or www.mantra.com/jai
May 24, 2012, 4:54:00 PM5/24/12
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About the terrorist Goon Squad:
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arah <araharah2...@gmail.com> posted:
uNmaivirumbi <tripurant...@yahoo.com[ posted:
[
[ Jai Jagadambe!
[
[ Please destroy all evil
[
[ Protect the good people!
Jai Jai Jagadambe Mata!
Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti
o o o
[ Jai Jagadambe!
[
[ Please destroy all evil
[
[ Protect the good people!
Jai Jai Jagadambe Mata!
Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti
About the terrorist Goon Squad:
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The Goon Squad currently posts most of their abuse
<KalluM...@gmail.com> tries his best to be a bully --
telling others what and when to post, where to post and
where not to post, deliberately publishing lies about
others, stalking and abusing them with hate speech -- but
fails miserably. He is really stressed out, and like his
lap dog Prem Thomas (who currently posts as "P. Rajah"
<us...@this.com>, and issues *death threats* to people),
is priming himself for conditions such as stroke and
heart disease. Others in the Goon Squad include
Dayashankar M. Joshi "DMJoshi" <jos...@gmail.com> who
displays unquestioning obedience to Goon Squad thugs, and
the instigator who posts as "Bholu" <bh...@hotmail.com>
through eternal-september.org and by writing someone
uNmaivirumbi
May 24, 2012, 5:43:12 PM5/24/12
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On May 24, 4:43 pm, arah <araharah2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Tell me what the Vedas said about the Creation of man?
The whole universe including all humans and all life is His
> Tell me what the Vedas said about the Creation of man?
manifestation.
I am sure you will never understand that as Islam blinds you!
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