I did one better. Being a Firefighter, I went to the supply warehouse and
asked for one of the old turnout gear coats (a.k.a. bunker coat).
I decided that if I use the coat to keep the heat out, it ought do the same
in reverse.
Had wonderful results! Threw a couple of picnics on before bedtime and they
were ready the next A.M... And that was with a Wind Chill Factor of about
22deg. F.
All it cost me was a sandwich!
If you hear of your local Fire Department getting a large federal grant for
turnout gear replacement, it might behoove you to hunt down the supply
office and ask for one. Usually, if you tell them what you're going to do
with it, they'll me more than happy to give you one. They have to destroy
them anyway.
Fyrepup
(Save a few... Lose a few...)
I use the cryovac (sp) briskets, about 8 lbs. "Choice" they claim. Simple
rub. Spices, a little salt, no sugar. Hickory chunks and lump.
I've done the 10-12 hour, 225 dF in the smoker, till 180-190 inside the
meat. Nice color, juicy, tough as a boot unless I slice it 1/16" thick with
my meat slicer.
I just did one this weeked. Smoked it at 200 dF for 20 hours. Including 6
hours using the Texas Crutch (wrapped in foil). Sorta tender, sorta dry.
It's now in the crock post swimming in sauce to make shreaded barbeque beer
sammyiches.
Back to tri-tips I guess.
Anyone got any clues on the problem? I've eaten lots of beef at Arthur
Bryant's in KC MO. It's always good and tender. What cut of beef do they
use.
Scratching my,
Spud
Spud,
Is it just the flat? Surely the point ain't tough?
The only thing I do different is higher temps.
-Hound, scratching head
I don't claim to be an expert on brisket, but I'll keep on until I get there.
One thing I have noticed is that they try to trim all the fat off. There goes all of your
juiciness, before you ever buy the meat.
Another thing that I'm trying is listening to Hound when he says to put the fat between the
meat and the fire...fat DOWN! This is the opposite of what my mind tells me. I've always
put the fat UP so that when it cooks and renders out, it will baste the meat, but Hound
says no, put the fat down. What do I know? My brisket isn't always dry, but is always
inconsistent.
8.5# flat @ $1.99 per# from Sam's in the fridge just waiting for this weekend, bought the
only one that they had with a big lump of fat on it. Friday night, I'll try it Hound's
way, fat down and raise the heat a little.
BOB
Sounds like it needed just a bit more time to tenderize. Shoot for 190 to
195 and you may have better luck. Crank up the temperature to 250.
>
> I just did one this weeked. Smoked it at 200 dF for 20 hours. Including
6
> hours using the Texas Crutch (wrapped in foil). Sorta tender, sorta dry.
> It's now in the crock post swimming in sauce to make shreaded barbeque
beer
> sammyiches.
I'm a believer that 200 is way to low to properly cook anything. It will
dry out before it cooks and breaks down the collagen. Considering you want
the temperature of the meat to climb to the 190+ range, 200 is just way too
low.
Ed
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Rosscoe
Everything else sounds fine.
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BTW, the flat will always be less tender than the point-- you need to cook
to a compromise temp that makes the flat somewhat tender w/o the point
falling all apart. But, its up to your personal preference.
This page has some good tips:
http://www.virtualweberbullet.com/brisketselect.html
Of course, I disagree with the recommendation that you have to buy "choice"
briskets. Heck, it's 'trash" meat, and the Texan in me won't pay steak
prices for a cheap cut. I've done both, and don't notice a difference
(except in my wallet). With brisket, its more technique than the starting
material, I think.
And no, you do not need to rush out and buy a Kamado to make a decent
brisket (g).
Clark
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Sounds a little like you'd wind up with smoked sauerbraten. I'm all for
experimentation but I think I'll let you scarf the first taste on that one.
JD
>
>
Get a bigger cut of brisket, say 15 pounder if you can. 8 is way too small.
> I've done the 10-12 hour, 225 dF in the smoker, till 180-190 inside
> the meat. Nice color, juicy, tough as a boot unless I slice it 1/16"
> thick with my meat slicer.
IMO, 10-12 hours just ain't enough. But then you were doing a small
brisket. I cook 15 pounders at least 18 hours often going to 24 before they
are fork tender. 220-225 is the right amount of heat. Forget the iternal
temp routine. If you can stick a fork in it and twist and the meat
seperates easily, the brisket is done.
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-frohe
Life is too short to be in a hurry
>Slice the brisket _across the grain_. Before you cook or even put the rub
>on, cut a small piece off one end _across the grain_ so you know how to
>slice when you can't see the grain.
>
Good advice, but doesn't the direction of the grain shift by 90
degrees about three-quarters of the way along the brisket? Using your
method to orient yourself still works, of course, if you keep in mind
the 90-degree shift.
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Kevin S. Wilson
Tech Writer at a University Somewhere in Idaho
"Sometimes I almost feel/Just like a human being"
Have any pics? I'm a bit stuck visualizing this one...
BTW, that's about the only mod I didn't try on my ECB.
Wally
>
In my limited experience (I've never done a brisket as large as 8
pounds) size is no obstacle to a tender, juicy brisket. I've had burnt
edges, but never a tough dry brisket come out of my ECBX2.
FWIW, I've always used water in the water bowl and done my best to keep
it full.
Matthew
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You can't break even.
You can't get out of the game.
22deg F barely counts as a wind chill factor! That sounds balmy compared to
what we have been rocked with lately!
That brought a good chuckle!
The ones I buy on sale at Save Mart for 89 cents a pound are usually 10 lbs.
plus. I don't cut off the fat.
Point is not too tough, but mostly fat. I think the higher temp. might be
what I need to do. Is 250 degrees too hot?
Rubbing my,
Spud
Oklahoma Joe in his tape series (Walmart) trims off quite a bit of fat. I
tried it and the meat was dry.
>
> Another thing that I'm trying is listening to Hound when he says to put
the fat between the
> meat and the fire...fat DOWN! This is the opposite of what my mind tells
me. I've always
> put the fat UP so that when it cooks and renders out, it will baste the
meat, but Hound
> says no, put the fat down. What do I know? My brisket isn't always dry,
but is always
> inconsistent.
>
I've tried both ways. I did it fat side up with the fat criss-cross cut to
let the fat render out.
I did it fat side down, with the thinking that it was an insulator to direct
heat.
I think I'll try the 250 route. It takes too long to hit 190 internal temp
with only a 10 degree differential.
Spud
Heck no. TBT, I'm not exactly sure of my temps but 250-275 is around the
neighborhood. The Lazy Q runs 325 upper 300 lower and some famous Hill
Country shops go higher, although they use the Texas Crutch in the process
(foil). This 200 - 225 thing strikes me as big an Urban Legend as mopping.
There is really no secret to brisket other than these: cook 'em til they're
done and cook at least ten of 'em before giving up.
-Hound
Done right any size brisket can turn out good. The key, IMO, is to not be
in a hurry with this cut of meat.
10 of em huh? Good, that gives me a few more years then! Hell, might
even ramp up to two a year, that'll still leave me 3 or 4 years ;). As
always, your advice is apreciated Hound.
Sure hoping to have a taste of what it supposed to be like though.
There's a little bar in Pescadero in the hills near the coast that's
got a nice big trailer rig they pull out in the summer months on
weekends. I bet they do a brisket. Damn rare to find out here in the
SF Bay Area.
Well...
For the last two years I've meant to send a brisket to a Raiders game for
some e-friends in the Raiders ng. Now I'm thinking *big*, as in dragging the
new pit out there. I could cook 2 cases of briskets bought on the cheap
here, sorta like the Al-Queda dudes who were schlepping smokes from NC to
MI. Only hitch is, they've gone to Disneyland-style parking and it's fucked
up the old-timers' tailgating plans.
-Hound
Wayne
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Better yet, stack several fireplace bricks in a square or circle. Pour in
unlight lump and top off with some straight from the chimney starter.
VOILA! Monion method for longer burn plus the extra thermal mass.
Hound, I think your reply to Duwop got crossed up.
You'll need to go through Fresno on the way. You can park your rig in my
driveway, cook your briskets, throw them in a cooler and take them to the
game. While you're gone, I'll have all my friends over and have a bbq with
your new pit. Deal?
Spud
>
>
They go in days ahead according to some news reports of the festivities at
Raider's games. Seems these reporters are always on the lookout for beatings
and and such and end up writing about the good time they had.
-Hound