UL??????? Gangs, "White" Female, and Malls
DDolMarsh
is a local UL or a continuance of a larger one.
I receive a phone call from my significant other this morning the purpose
of which was to inform me that I was not to go to the mall this weekend.
He stated that apparantly a local gang is going to initiate a new member
this weekend and that the new member must kill a "white" female at the
mall in order to become said member. Local police and mall security have
apparantly responded by ordering helicopters to maintain coverage of the
parking lots and indoor police force has been greatly increased.
It will be interesting to see what goes on over the weekend regarding mall
activity and local media coverage.
Debbie "sorry I'm not ALLOWED to go to the mall today" M.
Solomon Taibi
>
>The following is a current situation in our town and I am wondering if it
>is a local UL or a continuance of a larger one.
>
>I receive a phone call from my significant other this morning the purpose
>of which was to inform me that I was not to go to the mall this weekend.
>He stated that apparantly a local gang is going to initiate a new member
>this weekend and that the new member must kill a "white" female at the
>mall in order to become said member. Local police and mall security have
>apparantly responded by ordering helicopters to maintain coverage of the
>parking lots and indoor police force has been greatly increased.
When I was in high school (Seward Park HS in New York City,
about 25 years ago), it was said that to join the
Dynamite Brothers (real enough street gang) one had to kill
a white man. No real murder cases about it, though.
I always suspected that the Dynamite Brothers were the ones who
spread the story, to bolster their image.
When I was in college (I won't say which), there was a rape
which was said to be part of a fraternity initiation. The
perpetrators were indeed members of the fraternity in question,
but the initiation theory was disproved (in court).
--
S. Taibi
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DDolMarsh
when we were in college as well. Unfortunately, the perpetrators were
indeed members of a sports team who did acknowledge, albeit not in court,
that it had been a part of initiation weekend.
Debbie M.
Ted Frank
Solomon Taibi <ta...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>When I was in college (I won't say which), there was a rape
>which was said to be part of a fraternity initiation. The
>perpetrators were indeed members of the fraternity in question,
>but the initiation theory was disproved (in court).
I can't imagine a courtroom situation where there would be the
opportunity to disprove that.
The link between rape and fraternities may be a UL, but it's
also well documented, not least by Peggy Reeves Sanday in her
book "Fraternity Gang Rape". Fraternity rapes tend to be more
from the creation of an atmosphere that condones rape (and
protects the rapists from prosecution) than from explicit
organizational decisions, though Sanday does document instances
of the latter.
The UL about gang initiations is more common, and more commonly
false. My junior high suffered a panic attack that had a number
of students staying home from school because of rumors that a
gang called the "Smurfs" was coming to wreak havoc there. The
Smurfs didn't show up, but we did our part to pass the rumor on
to other schools by telling people at an academic competition that
the Smurfs had put three students and a teacher in the hospital
and said they'd be heading over to Johnston Middle School on Monday.
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Helge Moulding
murder of a white female; more comments about rape and murder as part
of initiations...]
Talk about your archtypal ULs. The AFU FAQ (q.v.) has the following
informative entries.
Fb.Female gang initiation ceremony is to screw an HIV+ male member.
[...]
F. As part of initiation, potential gang members drive around with
headlights off at night and will shoot people who flash headlights at them.
T. There seem to be quite a few warnings about fatal gang initiations lately.
[e.g., flashing headlights, clothing, etc.]
T. Not surprisingly, other ULs (e.g., "Killer in the Backseat", ankle tendon
slashers, etc.) have emerged with "gang initiation" motifs.
[...]
F. Thugs hide under cars in malls and cut ankles of women returning to cars.
[Above two in TBT.]
[...]
F. Child in mall goes to toilet; is abducted; has willie cut off. [TCD]
That police and security personnel must treat rumors like this at least
somewhat seriously means that the unwashed masses will also hear about
them. In fact, no one would dare keep such a thing secret; suppose it
really happened!
The only gang initiation that I know is for real, is the "jump in"
beating. It is a horrendous thing to see; for one it made me very
angry and careless when I happened across one. Luckily nothing much
happened, except that the perps got suspended from school.
Before the obvious is said, let me say that of course it is possible
that gangs have other types of initiations. That is not disputed, and
it isn't interesting. Unless someone can come up with definitive
evidence that there exists an aboriginal and factual case of the gang
initiation stories that make their rounds as ULs these days, the
subject has been hashed out relentlessly.
Other groups have initiations, too. While my definition of a "gang"
(and that used by law enforcement here in SLC) is "any group of people
who associate expressly for the purpose of committing crimes," these
other groups have been known to commit crimes, and even make commission
of such a crime part of the group's entry requirements.
I am thinking, specifically, of college drinking clubs in states (like
Utah) where drinking of alcohol by individuals under the age of 21 is
unlawful. Or groups that busy themselves with having sex with virgins,
which often involves statutory rape. At least. (There was a case in
Californica not so long ago. Pretty disgusting, in my opinion.)
However, the visceral nature of the UL, including the Mall as the
fobidden place, and the racist nature of the type of crime to be
committed, are absent in the real world. Luckily.
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Bob Church
m...@Radix.Net (Ted Frank) writes:
> In article <4fgmjb$b...@ixnews3.ix.netcom.com>,
> Solomon Taibi <ta...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> >When I was in college (I won't say which), there was a rape
> >which was said to be part of a fraternity initiation. The
> >perpetrators were indeed members of the fraternity in question,
> >but the initiation theory was disproved (in court).
>
> I can't imagine a courtroom situation where there would be the
> opportunity to disprove that.
If it were true, wouldn't it be grounds for the addition of conspiracy
charges?
Bob Church
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Bob Church
m...@Radix.Net (Ted Frank) writes:
> In article <4fgmjb$b...@ixnews3.ix.netcom.com>,
> Solomon Taibi <ta...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> >When I was in college (I won't say which), there was a rape
> >which was said to be part of a fraternity initiation. The
> >perpetrators were indeed members of the fraternity in question,
> >but the initiation theory was disproved (in court).
>
> I can't imagine a courtroom situation where there would be the
> opportunity to disprove that.
If the prosecution thought they could prove that the rapes were part of
a pre-planned initiation, couldn't they add conspiracy charges?
Bob Church
DONALD L. AYRTON
> The following is a current situation in our town and I am wondering if it
> is a local UL or a continuance of a larger one.
>
> I receive a phone call from my significant other this morning the purpose
> of which was to inform me that I was not to go to the mall this weekend.
> He stated that apparantly a local gang is going to initiate a new member
> this weekend and that the new member must kill a "white" female at the
> mall in order to become said member. Local police and mall security have
> apparantly responded by ordering helicopters to maintain coverage of the
> parking lots and indoor police force has been greatly increased.
This sounds like a mutation of the UL that was circulating last year: That
version had young wanna-be gang members sneaking into cars at gas stations
while their young, white, female drivers went in to pay for the gas.
>
> It will be interesting to see what goes on over the weekend regarding mall
> activity and local media coverage.
Indeed it will. Do you suppose that there will be squadrons of black
helicopters circling the mall?
JoAnne Schmitz
Even if the trial did not include the allegation, doesn't disprove it.
It just doesn't prove it.
JoAnne "the Simpson trial did not prove that Marla Maples is a tramp,
therefore it disproved the theory that Marla Maples is a tramp?" Schmitz
Patrick W. Fine
chu...@art.ohiou.edu (Bob Church) wrote:
>In article <4fmbjl$2...@saltmine.radix.net>
>m...@Radix.Net (Ted Frank) writes:
>
>> In article <4fgmjb$b...@ixnews3.ix.netcom.com>,
>> Solomon Taibi <ta...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>> >When I was in college (I won't say which), there was a rape
>> >which was said to be part of a fraternity initiation. The
>> >perpetrators were indeed members of the fraternity in question,
>> >but the initiation theory was disproved (in court).
>>
>> I can't imagine a courtroom situation where there would be the
>> opportunity to disprove that.
>
>
>If the prosecution thought they could prove that the rapes were part of
>a pre-planned initiation, couldn't they add conspiracy charges?
They could, but they might not. If they wanted to charge members of the Frat
who did not actually rape the woman(women), then they would have to add the
charge. Most likely, they would use the initiation as motive, to get around
any attempt by the defense to show consent, the normal defense in rape cases.
Patrick
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last weekend. My aunt, who is white, was nearly in tears about
how the mall has declined and how our society is falling apart, etc.
etc. My mother, who is also white, told my aunt that the story
is a hoax. Now my aunt won't speak to my mother because she can't
believe my mother would be so callous when a white woman is going
to die at the Southern Park Mall!
They are sisters in law, so my mother isn't too upset.
This same aunt is afraid to take her grandchildren to the amusement
park because there are satanic cults who kidnap children and take
them to the ladies room and dye their hair and change their clothes
so that the children can only be identified by their shoes.
Looks like she'll miss that great Presidents' Day sale at Kaufman's!
:) Annie