chocolate and cats
Frieza
~Frieza: The Best Of The Best!!
Mitcho
> is it true that cats die from eating chocolate?
From the Chocolate FAQ
(http://www.landfield.com/faqs/food/chocolate/faq/ (also covers the
Niemen-Marcus cookie UL):
3.3 Can I give chocolate to my dog (cat, bird, other pet)?
Unequivocally, no. The theobromine in chocolate that stimulates
the cardiac and nervous systems is too much for dogs, especially
smaller pups. A chocolate bar is poisonous to dogs and can even
be lethal. The same holds true for cats, and other household pets.
I have myself been suspicious of this, since I have given chocolate to
many pets over the years, with no apparent ill effects. However, I
suppose the difference is in the dosages.
Searching for cat-specific information on-line is difficult because of
all the chocolate-colored cats out there, but here is some specific
dosage info on dogs from www.theperfectpet.com/poisons.html :
Q: Is chocolate toxic to dogs?
A: Yes, it is. The active ingredient, the thing that makes it toxic,
is called theobromine. Once a dog eats chocolate, it takes a whole day
for that drug to completely pass out of the body. It’s cleared in the
liver. The toxic dose for a dog, 50 to 75 milligrams per pound, isn’t
much of the actual ingredient. For example, there are 3 different
kinds of chocolate normally found in the home. Baking chocolate is the
most toxic. A 50 pound dog would only have to eat about 5 ounces of
baking chocolate to kill it. The next most toxic chocolate is
semi-sweet chocolate. A 50 pound dog would have to eat about 3 times
as much, or 15 ounces, of the semi-sweet chocolate to be toxic. And
the third kind, milk chocolate, is the least toxic. It has less
theobromine in it. And a 50 pound dog would have to eat 10 times as
much as the baking chocolate, or 50 ounces, of the milk chocolate.
Another thing that some people don’t understand is that they give dogs
candy that is chocolate coated, like chocolate coated almonds or
chocolate coated coconut. That’s even less toxic because the chocolate
is just on the outside. So, by feeding those types things, not that
it’s bad to feed a little bit, but where you get in trouble is when
you leave the sack of Hershey’s Kisses on the drainboard one night and
the 50 pound dog jumps up and eats the whole 1 pound bag of chocolate.
That’s enough to kill them.
Prolly similar for cats.
Mitcho
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Gene&Lois
I got was that the dog loved until he died 10 years later.
Gene (learned my lesson) Adams
"Mitcho" <red...@employees.org> wrote in message
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Frank O'Donnell
>After I got married I fed a LOT of chocolate to my wife's small dog and all
>I got was that the dog loved until he died 10 years later.
Good for the dog.
Rusty "Aphrodisiac in ladies, too" O'Donnell
--
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Drew Lawson
red...@employees.org writes:
>From the Chocolate FAQ
>(http://www.landfield.com/faqs/food/chocolate/faq/ (also covers the
>Niemen-Marcus cookie UL):
>
> 3.3 Can I give chocolate to my dog (cat, bird, other pet)?
>
> Unequivocally, no. The theobromine in chocolate that stimulates
> the cardiac and nervous systems is too much for dogs, especially
> smaller pups. A chocolate bar is poisonous to dogs and can even
> be lethal. The same holds true for cats, and other household pets.
>
>I have myself been suspicious of this, since I have given chocolate to
>many pets over the years, with no apparent ill effects. However, I
>suppose the difference is in the dosages.
From previous discussions (here and in pet circles), the dosage
needed to cause health problems varies widely. Apparently it varies
some with breed, but also widely from one animal to another. So
the standard medical line is that it is unsafe.
You could have one animal who could safely eat a Hershey bar, while
another (possibly even larger) would be killed by it.
Drew "I've never witnessed chocolate induced illness" Lawson
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Dr H
On Mon, 23 Oct 2000, Mitcho wrote:
}Q: Is chocolate toxic to dogs?
}
}A: Yes, it is. [...]
}... a 50 pound dog would have to eat 10 times as
}much as the baking chocolate, or 50 ounces, of the milk chocolate.
I suspect that any human who, at one sitting, ate an ounce of chocolate for
each pound of their body weight might find it 'toxic' as well.
Or they might just wish that it had been...
Dr H
JamiJo
>many pets over the years, with no apparent ill effects. However, I
>suppose the difference is in the dosages.
Well, I stupidly gave my dog chocolate covered penis. Luckily, she didn't die.
But she threw up for the next three days.
Expanding on this topic - I heard milk and cream gives cats the runs and can
even kill them.
~Jami JoAnne Russell~
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Maggie Newman
>
>Well, I stupidly gave my dog chocolate covered penis. Luckily, she didn't die.
>
Sweetie, sweetie, sweetie. It's *peanut butter* you spread on the genitals.
Maggie "uphill work" Newman
JamiJo
>>Well, I stupidly gave my dog chocolate covered penis. Luckily, she didn't
>die.
>>
>
>Sweetie, sweetie, sweetie. It's *peanut butter* you spread on the genitals.
ARG! Freudian slip - I meant PEANUTS! Sorry, that's what I get for watching
talk shows while posting!
JoAnne Schmitz
>>I have myself been suspicious of this, since I have given chocolate to
>>many pets over the years, with no apparent ill effects. However, I
>>suppose the difference is in the dosages.
>
>Well, I stupidly gave my dog chocolate covered penis. Luckily, she didn't die.
>But she threw up for the next three days.
You can't just feed your dog something you pick up on the street.
JoAnne "that's what geese are for" Schmitz
Charles Wm. Dimmick
> Q: Is chocolate toxic to dogs?
>
> A: Yes, it is. The active ingredient, the thing that makes it toxic,
> is called theobromine. Once a dog eats chocolate, it takes a whole day
> for that drug to completely pass out of the body. It’s cleared in the
> liver. The toxic dose for a dog, 50 to 75 milligrams per pound, isn’t
> much of the actual ingredient.
The important part of all this is the line which says it takes
a whole day for the drug to completely pass out of the body.
There are a whole armload of other drugs which are safe for
humans but toxic for dogs and cats for similar reasons. For
instance, while it is often safe to give a single dose of aspirin
(proportional to weight) to a dog or cat, one must not, under
any circumstances give a second dose within the next 48
hours or so, as it takes that long for it to be purged from
the system. So to be on the safe side, veterinarians tell you
to never give aspirin to a cat or dog. It's easier to
remember.
Charles Wm. Dimmick
Lon Stowell
JamiJo <gambit...@aol.comNOWAY> wrote:
>>I have myself been suspicious of this, since I have given chocolate to
>>many pets over the years, with no apparent ill effects. However, I
>>suppose the difference is in the dosages.
>
>Well, I stupidly gave my dog chocolate covered penis. Luckily, she didn't die.
>But she threw up for the next three days.
>
>even kill them.
Since this is the holiday season, which as we all know,
is a family time, allow me to make a public plea for a
small modicum of decorum on this froup. Please just
let classic lines speak for themselves, please
remember the children, and do not persue the obvious.
Lon "Quixotic" Stowell
Lon Stowell
Frieza <Jerem...@webtv.net> wrote:
>
>--WebTV-Mail-12559-826
>
>is it true that cats die from eating chocolate?
>
>
R H Draney
>
> is it true that cats die from eating chocolate?
Some do...others die from eating car bumpers....
(Okay, that was nasty...but at least it kept me out of the
"chocolate-covered penis" subthread)....r
--
My other tractor is a Hoyt-Clagwell
Edward Green
<...>
>Searching for cat-specific information on-line is difficult because of
>all the chocolate-colored cats out there, but here is some specific
>dosage info on dogs from www.theperfectpet.com/poisons.html :
>
>Q: Is chocolate toxic to dogs?
>
>A: Yes, it is. The active ingredient, the thing that makes it toxic,
>is called theobromine. Once a dog eats chocolate, it takes a whole day
>for that drug to completely pass out of the body. It’s cleared in the
>liver. The toxic dose for a dog, 50 to 75 milligrams per pound, isn’t
>much of the actual ingredient. For example, there are 3 different
>kinds of chocolate normally found in the home. Baking chocolate is the
>most toxic. A 50 pound dog would only have to eat about 5 ounces of
>baking chocolate to kill it. <...>
If the chemical showed a similar toxicity in man, then a 200 lb. man
would only have to eat 20 oz. of Baker's Chocolate to achieve death by
chocolate. Ok, maybe dogs are more sensitive than we are... because
if eating a mere twenty ounces of a food available in any
supermarket could kill a man, I think we would have heard about it...
Terry Smith
"Frieza" <Jerem...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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> is it true that cats die from eating chocolate?
>
The following doesn't belong in USENet - lose it.
John Schmitt
gambit...@aol.comNOWAY (JamiJo) writes:
>ARG! Freudian slip - I meant PEANUTS! Sorry, that's what I get for watching
>talk shows while posting!
As that meanyhead Dave bagged the "usenset" sig, perhaps I should grab this.
John "sig-tastic" Schmitt
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happening. - Vladimir Urban on the Russian submarine 'Kursk' crisis.
I've got a disclaimer, and I ain't afraid to use it.
Bezel
Charles Wm. Dimmick <cdim...@snet.net> wrote:
>Mitcho wrote:
>
>> Q: Is chocolate toxic to dogs?
>>
>> A: Yes, it is. The active ingredient, the thing that makes it toxic,
>> is called theobromine. Once a dog eats chocolate, it takes a whole day
>> for that drug to completely pass out of the body. It’s cleared in the
>> liver. The toxic dose for a dog, 50 to 75 milligrams per pound, isn’t
>> much of the actual ingredient.
>
>a whole day for the drug to completely pass out of the body.
>There are a whole armload of other drugs which are safe for
>humans but toxic for dogs and cats for similar reasons. For
>instance, while it is often safe to give a single dose of aspirin
>(proportional to weight) to a dog or cat, one must not, under
>any circumstances give a second dose within the next 48
>hours or so, as it takes that long for it to be purged from
>the system. So to be on the safe side, veterinarians tell you
>to never give aspirin to a cat or dog. It's easier to
>remember.
My apologies if you are a veterinarian yourself, but do you have
a reference for this? I have been told by my vet that it's okay to
give an aspirin to our 40 lb dog, and never heard anything resembling
the no-more-for-48-hours rule. I also find several Web references for
aspirin dosage in dogs that talk about giving a given dosage twice a day,
and I'm fairly sure my parents' dog was on a regular aspirin dose for a
bit until she was placed on a prescription arthritis drug.
In other words, this conflicts with all other information available
to me, so I'm curious where it comes from.
--Bezel
mike stevens
Edward Green wrote in message <8t3ogh$6h9$4...@news.panix.com>...
>Mitcho <red...@employees.org> wrote:
>
><...>
>
>
>>Searching for cat-specific information on-line is difficult because of
>>all the chocolate-colored cats out there, but here is some specific
>>dosage info on dogs from www.theperfectpet.com/poisons.html :
>>
>>
>>A: Yes, it is. The active ingredient, the thing that makes it toxic,
>>is called theobromine. Once a dog eats chocolate, it takes a whole day
>>for that drug to completely pass out of the body. It’s cleared in the
>>liver. The toxic dose for a dog, 50 to 75 milligrams per pound, isn’t
>>kinds of chocolate normally found in the home. Baking chocolate is the
>>most toxic. A 50 pound dog would only have to eat about 5 ounces of
>>baking chocolate to kill it. <...>
>
>If the chemical showed a similar toxicity in man, then a 200 lb. man
>would only have to eat 20 oz. of Baker's Chocolate to achieve death by
>chocolate. Ok, maybe dogs are more sensitive than we are... because
>if eating a mere twenty ounces of a food available in any
>supermarket could kill a man, I think we would have heard about it...
How about 20oz. of Everclear (USAn 95% ETOH beverage)?
No cites, just something my sister's cousin's mechanic told me a few years
ago.
Mike "but *onions* & dogs, I might be able to cite" Stevens
Mitcho
> If the chemical showed a similar toxicity in man, then a 200 lb. man
> would only have to eat 20 oz. of Baker's Chocolate to achieve death by
> chocolate. Ok, maybe dogs are more sensitive than we are...
Er, yeah.
You're one of those clever ones, aren't you?
Mitcho
Not clever
Charles Wm. Dimmick
> My apologies if you are a veterinarian yourself, but do you have
> a reference for this? I have been told by my vet that it's okay to
> give an aspirin to our 40 lb dog, and never heard anything resembling
> the no-more-for-48-hours rule. I also find several Web references for
> aspirin dosage in dogs that talk about giving a given dosage twice a day,
> and I'm fairly sure my parents' dog was on a regular aspirin dose for a
> bit until she was placed on a prescription arthritis drug.
>
> In other words, this conflicts with all other information available
> to me, so I'm curious where it comes from.
I should have checked my references more carefully. No, I am
not a vet. I was relying on information given to my by
veterinarians, but the information was CAT specific. Aspirin
can be fatal to cats in much smaller doses than is the case
for dogs. Never having owned a dog, but having owned cats
for over 55 years, I guess I automatically assumed [a very
bad thing to do] that what was toxic to a cat would be toxic
to a dog, as is the case for theobromine. For a quick check
on salicylate toxicities in cats one might check:
http://www.peteducation.com/pharmacy/peptobismol.htm
http://www.vetinfo.com/catmed.html#Aspirin or Acetaminophen
http://homearts.com/depts/pastime/vetq06b1.htm
and then at:
http://www.cah.com/library/arthritis.html
we find:
"Cats are also prone to arthritic conditions of the
hips, elbows, spine and other joints. They are also
prone to osteoporosis as they age. Treatments used
for dogs may not help cats. Be careful of the use
of Tylenol, non-steroidals such as ibuprofen, and
high doses of aspirin. All of these products are
very toxic to cats. Low dose of aspirin 80 mg (1\4
of an adult aspirin) weekly may be therapeutic. Use
of nutraceuticals and cortisone may also be of some
benefit as well as acupuncture and chiropractic care."
Charles Wm. Dimmick
Dr H
On 23 Oct 2000, JamiJo wrote:
}Well, I stupidly gave my dog chocolate covered penis.
!
Dr H
jupiter
>but where you get in trouble is when
>you leave the sack of Hershey’s Kisses on the drainboard one night and
>the 50 pound dog jumps up and eats the whole 1 pound bag of chocolate.
I don't even want to think of the immediate future of all those little
foil wrappers. Not to mention all those little paper pull tabs.
kay w
>My apologies if you are a veterinarian yourself, but do you have
>a reference for this? I have been told by my vet that it's okay to
>give an aspirin to our 40 lb dog, and never heard anything resembling
>the no-more-for-48-hours rule.
I understand there's some sort of rule that all animal threads become cat
threads eventually.
Week before last my vet, the remarkable and beloved Dr Struby, prescribed one
baby asprin (81 mg) every three days for Little David, an 18-year-old orange
tabby with arthritis and a slight heart murmur. He weighs about 9 pounds. I
was cautioned not to give him asprin any more often that that due to the time
it takes for his system to (can't call the medical word...assimilate, process,
absorb, use up?) each dose. More would result in an overdose.
For what it's worth, in two weeks he has improved dramatically; moves better,
sits more comfortably, rises more easily and is eating better than he has in a
couple of years, I guess because he's getting more exercise.
Dunno about dogs, which was really your question. Sorry.
kay w
Address munged. AOL isn't necessarily comatose, evidence to the contrary not
withstanding.
Edward Green
>>If the chemical showed a similar toxicity in man, then a 200 lb. man
>>would only have to eat 20 oz. of Baker's Chocolate to achieve death by
>>chocolate. Ok, maybe dogs are more sensitive than we are... because
>>if eating a mere twenty ounces of a food available in any
>>supermarket could kill a man, I think we would have heard about it...
>
>How about 20oz. of Everclear (USAn 95% ETOH beverage)?
What is this used for? Is it a household chemical, or intended for
human consumption? Among the food items, salt did occur to me...
eating over a pound of salt might kill you. But somebody, somewhere,
_is_ going to scarf down a pound or so of baker's chocolate...
>No cites, just something my sister's cousin's mechanic told me a few years
>ago.
A Modf, huh? (Mechanic of distant family).
K. D.
"Dr H" <hiaw...@efn.org> wrote in message
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>
> On 23 Oct 2000, JamiJo wrote:
>
> }Well, I stupidly gave my dog chocolate covered penis.
>
>
> !
My reaction, although more precisely, I think it would have been (!!!) or
(???).
I've heard of people using gravy master (prior thread), but not chocolate.
-KD
Edward Green
Bezel
Charles Wm. Dimmick <cdim...@snet.net> wrote:
<aspirin for dogs vs. aspirin for cats>
>I should have checked my references more carefully. No, I am
>not a vet. I was relying on information given to my by
>veterinarians, but the information was CAT specific. Aspirin
>can be fatal to cats in much smaller doses than is the case
>for dogs. Never having owned a dog, but having owned cats
>for over 55 years, I guess I automatically assumed [a very
>bad thing to do] that what was toxic to a cat would be toxic
>to a dog, as is the case for theobromine.
<snip of references>
I've never owned a cat and wouldn't have known cats were so much
more sensitive to aspirin than dogs, so thanks for the information.
I just wanted to make sure that there wasn't a little-known danger
to dogs I wasn't aware of; we keep a bottle of genuine aspirin around
specifically for our couch-potato dog when she goes to visit other
dog-owning households and spends days running around at top speed,
and I wouldn't want to give her more than one if it was a danger.
I'm glad it's not!
--Bezel
Paul Linden
> If the chemical showed a similar toxicity in man, then a 200 lb. man
> would only have to eat 20 oz. of Baker's Chocolate to achieve death by
> chocolate. Ok, maybe dogs are more sensitive than we are... because
> if eating a mere twenty ounces of a food available in any
> supermarket could kill a man, I think we would have heard about it...
Uh, peanuts?
Paul
Tamex
>Week before last my vet, the remarkable and beloved Dr Struby, prescribed one
>baby asprin (81 mg) every three days for Little David, an 18-year-old orange
>tabby with arthritis and a slight heart murmur. He weighs about 9 pounds. I
>was cautioned not to give him asprin any more often that that due to the time
>it takes for his system to (can't call the medical word...assimilate, process,
>absorb, use up?) each dose. More would result in an overdose.
>For what it's worth, in two weeks he has improved dramatically; moves better,
>sits more comfortably, rises more easily and is eating better than he has in a
>couple of years, I guess because he's getting more exercise.
When I was in high school, our cat started mysteriously throwing up
one year around Christmas time. As far as we can tell, the culprit
was the aspirin my father started putting in the Christmas tree water
after seeing the suggestion on TV. The cat drank the water and got
sick. Luckily, it was dilute enough not to cause too much harm (the
cat weighs 20 lbs., so that probably helped, too.) Dad had no idea
that aspirin could be poisonous to cats--he did know that the cat
drank the tree water. Any benefit that the asprin gave the tree was
not worth having cat puke all over the house (or a dead cat, for that
matter.) They have an artificial tree these days.
--
Tamex
"When I think back to all the crap I learned in high school,
it's a wonder I can think at all."
**remove Tricky Dick to reply by e-mail**
Joe Boswell
<pli...@corp.phone.com> writes
I think we have heard about it. Nut allergies are not secret.
--
Joe Boswell * If I cannot be free I'll be cheap
Paul Linden
Just providing an example of a foodstuff available in any supermarket of
which a lot less than 20 oz would be fatal to some people while not fatal to
others. Perhaps I should have explicitly compared and contrasted this with
the "Ok, maybe dogs are more sensitive than we are" line.
20 oz of chocolate doesn't sound like much, but is really a lot - 1 1/4
pounds, or more than 10 Mars bars (TWIAVBP - Mars bar = Milky Way in the US
[1]) - it may not kill you but you wouldn't feel too good afterwards.
Paul
[1] The US is a strange country - the cheddar is yellow and the butter is
white, bread lasts for weeks before turning blue, and real Milky Ways don't
exist.
Peter James
>Mitcho <red...@employees.org> wrote:
>
>>but where you get in trouble is when
>>you leave the sack of Hershey’s Kisses on the drainboard one night and
>>the 50 pound dog jumps up and eats the whole 1 pound bag of chocolate.
>
>I don't even want to think of the immediate future of all those little
>foil wrappers. Not to mention all those little paper pull tabs.
Some years ago I had a little terrier that ate the foil off the
Christmas Turkey. She was passing little bits of tin foil for the
best part of a week. Didn't seem to do her any real harm though.
--
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for evil to triumph.
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>>
>
>Just providing an example of a foodstuff available in any supermarket of
>which a lot less than 20 oz would be fatal to some people while not fatal to
>others. Perhaps I should have explicitly compared and contrasted this with
>the "Ok, maybe dogs are more sensitive than we are" line.
>
>20 oz of chocolate doesn't sound like much, but is really a lot - 1 1/4
>pounds, or more than 10 Mars bars (TWIAVBP - Mars bar = Milky Way in the US
>[1]) - it may not kill you but you wouldn't feel too good afterwards.
A dog eating twenty lbs of chocolate wouldn't surprise me at all. :-D
Malcolm
bulbs a soften as he could get them - but he always spat out the
filaments
Peter James wrote:
>
> On Wed, 25 Oct 2000 02:12:22 GMT, jupiter <jup...@mastnet.net> wrote:
>
> >Mitcho <red...@employees.org> wrote:
> >
> >>but where you get in trouble is when
> >>you leave the sack of Hershey’s Kisses on the drainboard one night and
> >>the 50 pound dog jumps up and eats the whole 1 pound bag of chocolate.
> >
> >I don't even want to think of the immediate future of all those little
> >foil wrappers. Not to mention all those little paper pull tabs.
> Some years ago I had a little terrier that ate the foil off the
> Christmas Turkey. She was passing little bits of tin foil for the
> best part of a week. Didn't seem to do her any real harm though.
>
> --
> "It is necessary only for the good man to do nothing
> for evil to triumph.
> Edmund Burke 1729 -97
> Remove"NOSPAM" to reply
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Dr H
On 25 Oct 2000, Edward Green wrote:
}mike stevens <nste...@mediaone.net> wrote:
}
}>>If the chemical showed a similar toxicity in man, then a 200 lb. man
}>>would only have to eat 20 oz. of Baker's Chocolate to achieve death by
}>>chocolate. Ok, maybe dogs are more sensitive than we are... because
}>>if eating a mere twenty ounces of a food available in any
}>>supermarket could kill a man, I think we would have heard about it...
}>
}>How about 20oz. of Everclear (USAn 95% ETOH beverage)?
}
}What is this used for? Is it a household chemical, or intended for
}human consumption?
It's basically grain alcohol (ethanol), and sold in liquor stores in
states in which it is legal. It's intended for human consumption when
mixed with other substances, as in a punch, though there are some
(mostly American males of college age) who attempt to drink it straight.
}Among the food items, salt did occur to me...
}eating over a pound of salt might kill you. But somebody, somewhere,
}_is_ going to scarf down a pound or so of baker's chocolate...
I have never heard that chocolate in any form was toxic to human beings.
But if a 180-pound person scarfed down 180-ounces of chocolate at a
sitting I'm pretty sure they'd regret it.
Dr H
Rebecca Smith
news:A8CJ5.24$km2....@ralph.vnet.net...
> I've never owned a cat and wouldn't have known cats were so much
> more sensitive to aspirin than dogs, so thanks for the information.
> I just wanted to make sure that there wasn't a little-known danger
> to dogs I wasn't aware of; we keep a bottle of genuine aspirin around
> specifically for our couch-potato dog when she goes to visit other
> dog-owning households and spends days running around at top speed,
> and I wouldn't want to give her more than one if it was a danger.
> I'm glad it's not!
>
> --Bezel
My own vet has prescribed 500 mg of buffered aspirin, twice a day, for my 85
lb. dog. I've also given him (also with my vet's approval) doses of Pepto
Bismol (aka pink bismuth). I wouldn't recommend, however, giving any
animal, *any* human medication without checking with a veterinarian first.
Point of fact, I've never had similar prescriptions (of human meds) for my
cats.
I did have an interesting interaction with Poison Control once when my dog -
Danny - devoured a bottled of vitamin C and I called to see if it could be
toxic in dogs. They weren't sure (of course) but accurately predicted a
massive case of the runs. I got a call the next day checking on the
condition of my dog. At first I thought they were confused by the name and
thought the victim was my child, but they were well aware of the species.
They just *always* call to check as a follow-up to a poison report. Kind of
comforting to see people follow the rules so devotedly.
Rebecca "His midnight trip to the yard made quite a splash" Smith
--
"Don't try to be like Jackie. There is only one Jackie...
Study computers instead." - Jackie Chan
Frank O'Donnell
>Well, one could go on, but my stepbrother's boxer used too eat light
Is that like al dente?
Rusty "Crunch!" O'Donnell
--
Wife: Stop staring at that woman's legs!
Husband: Nonsense! My mind is on higher things.--Peter DeVries
Karen J. Cravens
100...@garcia.efn.org>:
> It's basically grain alcohol (ethanol), and sold in liquor stores in
> states in which it is legal. It's intended for human consumption when
> mixed with other substances, as in a punch, though there are some
> (mostly American males of college age) who attempt to drink it straight.
Also dogs. Although she wasn't so much attempting to drink it straight as
to lick it off the cement, which wasn't doing much good since it had
absorbed/evaporated too fast. Also too fast to light, which was the point
of pouring it on the floor, for the humans. I don't remember exactly what
the point of lighting it was, at the time.
--
Karen "we were sober, too" Cravens
Bezel
Rebecca Smith <Reb...@ematic.com> wrote:
>My own vet has prescribed 500 mg of buffered aspirin, twice a day, for my 85
>lb. dog. I've also given him (also with my vet's approval) doses of Pepto
>Bismol (aka pink bismuth). I wouldn't recommend, however, giving any
>animal, *any* human medication without checking with a veterinarian first.
I agree.
>I did have an interesting interaction with Poison Control once when my dog -
>Danny - devoured a bottled of vitamin C and I called to see if it could be
>toxic in dogs. They weren't sure (of course) but accurately predicted a
>massive case of the runs. I got a call the next day checking on the
>condition of my dog. At first I thought they were confused by the name and
>thought the victim was my child, but they were well aware of the species.
>They just *always* call to check as a follow-up to a poison report. Kind of
>comforting to see people follow the rules so devotedly.
That's neat, that they followed up. I've, um, heard that if you call
them and report ingestion of a moldy swallow of six-month-old Diet Coke
sitting in a can beside your bed, looking virtually indistinguishable
from the brand-new can you just put next to it, they don't call you
the next day. They just laugh at you, and tell you to clean your room
more often.
ObUL: Well, this is more of a rumor, actually - but I've been 'informed'
of recent cases of Ebola in NYC, related to the current outbreak in
Uganda. When I expressed skepticism about this, I was told that
there was a cover-up in process and that health officials had re-defined
Ebola symptoms as something else to avoid a public panic. Has anyone
else heard this? Was there any other hemorrhagic fever that could have
been misinterpreted as having been Ebola?
--Bezel
Robert Alston
"Karen J. Cravens" <silve...@phoenyx.net> wrote in message
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Add some water to the everclear before you pour it out. About 30%
water will work. If your going to be lighting it on people that is.
25% water is ok for cement. Or you can go as low as 15% and still keep
the alcohol around long enough to light it. For more impressive flames
add naptha instead of some of the water. It will still be hard to see
blue but somewhat brighter and you MIGHT be able to see it in
daylight.
Robert "Keep a wet towel handy to wipe out any fires that start on
people when playing with this stuff." Alston
Edward Green
>On 25 Oct 2000, Edward Green wrote:
>
>}mike stevens <nste...@mediaone.net> wrote:
>}
>}>>If the chemical showed a similar toxicity in man, then a 200 lb. man
>}>>would only have to eat 20 oz. of Baker's Chocolate to achieve death by
>}>>chocolate. Ok, maybe dogs are more sensitive than we are... because
>}>>if eating a mere twenty ounces of a food available in any
>}>>supermarket could kill a man, I think we would have heard about it...
>}>
>}>How about 20oz. of Everclear (USAn 95% ETOH beverage)?
>}
>}What is this used for? Is it a household chemical, or intended for
>}human consumption?
>
> It's basically grain alcohol (ethanol), and sold in liquor stores in
> states in which it is legal. It's intended for human consumption when
> mixed with other substances, as in a punch, though there are some
> (mostly American males of college age) who attempt to drink it straight.
Oh! ETOH meant "ethanol"! I thought it was some kind of chelating
agent. Fooled by ascii orgo. :)
>}Among the food items, salt did occur to me...
>}eating over a pound of salt might kill you. But somebody, somewhere,
>}_is_ going to scarf down a pound or so of baker's chocolate...
>
> I have never heard that chocolate in any form was toxic to human beings.
> But if a 180-pound person scarfed down 180-ounces of chocolate at a
> sitting I'm pretty sure they'd regret it.
Yeah, but it might be a garden variety regret. Like puking in your
garden, or garderobe.
This remind me of an argument I once had with my father when I was a
lad. He felt that CO2 was toxic because a room full of it would kill
you. I guess by that criterion even nitrogen is toxic, because it excludes
oxygen, but even then I felt there was something amiss in this thinking. ;)
CO2 might be slightly further down the toxicity scale, since at least
a high concentration has some_ physiological effect, even in the
presence of oxygen -- makes you hyperventilate, I believe.
Edward Green
It was very important to you then; as are most actions under the
influence. ;)
Another cool thing to do... oh yeah, used to do this one all the time...
Disclaimer: Wear safety goggles while performing this experiment!
(I don't, but you should, as I say, etc...)
After you have emptied a bottle of whiskey, gently warm the bottle
over the stove, swirling the last few drops of liquor around the
inside of the bottle. Now, light and drop a kitchen match in the
mouth, and watch the blue flame jet.
Best enjoyed in a darkened room.
I never had a bottle blow up, but I wouldn't try this one with
overproof rum, and certainly not that "Everclear" stuff. Power a
Komet, maybe, but no bottle flambe'.
David Nebenzahl
Here's one data point which attests to the ability of CO2 to "overcome"
humans, if not outright kill them:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/news/archive/2000/10/25/state1716EDT0181.DTL
Edward Green
>> CO2 might be slightly further down the toxicity scale, since at least
>> a high concentration has some_ physiological effect, even in the
>> presence of oxygen -- makes you hyperventilate, I believe.
>
>Here's one data point which attests to the ability of CO2 to "overcome"
>humans, if not outright kill them:
>
>http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/news/archive/2000/10/25/state1716EDT0181.DTL
I could be wrong, but that story sounds more like a straightforward
suffocation by discplacment of oxygen (man overcome and drowns in
bubbling CO2 mineral bath).
I suppose, this being AFU and all, I should provide a citation,
but there are volcanic lakes, well, at least one, known to kill
people in a surrounding district when they periodically "boil" with
trapped CO2 release, like a giant soda pop. That is almost certainly
suffocation by displacment of air.
Terry Smith
"Edward Green" <e...@panix.com> wrote in message
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>
> I suppose, this being AFU and all, I should provide a citation,
> but there are volcanic lakes, well, at least one, known to kill
> people in a surrounding district when they periodically "boil" with
> trapped CO2 release, like a giant soda pop. That is almost certainly
> suffocation by displacment of air.
Only for very small values of `almost'. I read some reports regarding the
Central African lakes following the New Scientist story , [1989[L(1)]] and
there wasn't much credence given to the `merely suffocation' hypothesis in
any of the *citeable* literature.
"~Human toxicity~: Dyspnea, vomiting, disorientation, hypertension may occur
when 5% conc. administered for 1/2 hr. or more. A 10% concn. produces these
symptoms in a few minutes. Continued use after onset of symptoms will also
result in convulsions, coma, acidosis, respiritary failure"
_From_ : Stecher, P., G.[Ed.] (1960) _The Merk Index_ (7th. ed.). page 211.
Merk & Co., Inc. N.J. Lib.Cong. cat. card # 60-5088.
Doctors, nurses and phsyiologists would not find this information novel nor
suprising. You learn something old every day.
1. Lasnerian[sp] A date that may vary by =<10% of the difference between now
and the present, but is sufficient to indicate the appropriate era.
Edward Green
>Just providing an example of a foodstuff available in any supermarket of
>which a lot less than 20 oz would be fatal to some people while not fatal to
>others. Perhaps I should have explicitly compared and contrasted this with
>the "Ok, maybe dogs are more sensitive than we are" line.
>
>20 oz of chocolate doesn't sound like much, but is really a lot - 1 1/4
>pounds, or more than 10 Mars bars (TWIAVBP - Mars bar = Milky Way in the US
>[1]) - it may not kill you but you wouldn't feel too good afterwards.
I should not admit such piggishness, but I have eaten those huge
Hershey bars in the past in almost one sitting... about 1573% of your
daily saturated fat allowance, I know... Ok, so we are talking 2 1/2
of those... but then we are talking _baker's_ chocolate, which is
bitter and needs to be combined with sugar to become palatable.
Ok.. it is indeed even more than a piggish portion, it is something
akin to a hot-dog eating contest at Nathan's portion, best left to
professionals.
(I bet you can get high that way... let's find a junior HS student and
check this out).
P.S.
>[1] The US is a strange country - the cheddar is yellow and the butter is
>white, bread lasts for weeks before turning blue, and real Milky Ways don't
>exist.
I've heard the U.S. servicemen killed in Vietnam lasted for weeks
before going bad (after death, that is -- they may have gone bad much
faster if they were living), because of the preservatives in the junk
food they ate.
Oh fooey... now I suppose the rule book says I have to go look that up
in the damn FAQ. I wonder where that thing is...
My damn kill file is so long now, I probably will _never_ find out....
especially if one of the keepers of the faith posts the periodic
pointers to it, which seems likely.
Rise up, alt-alt.f.u! You have nothing to lose but your chains!
Dr H
On 27 Oct 2000, Edward Green wrote:
}Disclaimer: Wear safety goggles while performing this experiment!
}
}(I don't, but you should, as I say, etc...)
}
}After you have emptied a bottle of whiskey, gently warm the bottle
}over the stove, swirling the last few drops of liquor around the
}inside of the bottle. Now, light and drop a kitchen match in the
}mouth, and watch the blue flame jet.
}
}Best enjoyed in a darkened room.
}
}I never had a bottle blow up, but I wouldn't try this one with
}overproof rum, and certainly not that "Everclear" stuff. Power a
}Komet, maybe, but no bottle flambe'.
Works with 151 rum, without heating. :-)
But there /is/ a finite chance of the bottle shattering, so eye
protection is definitely a good idea.
Dr H
Patricia Holtby
JamiJo <gambit...@aol.comNOWAY> wrote in message
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> Well, I stupidly gave my dog chocolate covered penis. > ~Jami JoAnne
Russell~
>
Well, then. He obviously didn't know the Anbesol trick.
Patricia Holtby
Karen J. Cravens
>It was very important to you then; as are most actions under the
>influence. ;)
You didn't read the internym... we were stone cold sober. And bored. This
also led to juggling. While riding a unicycle. With a strobe light on.
(For that, I was only an observer, being from a smarter gender and all.)
--
Karen "sober college students, a rare breed" Cravens
Charity Stafford
>Point of fact, I've never had similar prescriptions (of human meds) for my
>cats.
The one exception I'm aware of is that I have to assume that
the pink, bubble-gum flavored liquid amoxicillin my vets
always give us for infections was developed to be palatable
to small children, not cats. The cats certainly don't seem
to care for the stuff.
Charity "Pink Froth" Stafford
Edward Green
>e...@panix.com (Edward Green) wrote in <8tagvp$3ls$3...@news.panix.com>:
>
>>It was very important to you then; as are most actions under the
>>influence. ;)
>
>You didn't read the internym... we were stone cold sober. And bored. This
>also led to juggling. While riding a unicycle. With a strobe light on.
>(For that, I was only an observer, being from a smarter gender and all.)
You are right, I missed that. Apologies. The point in pouring out
perfectly good grain alcohol on the ground was perhaps temperance? :)
Sheesh. The new generation. College students today. Pouring out
good alcohol. What's the world coming to!
Alan Barclay
>(proportional to weight) to a dog or cat, one must not, under
>any circumstances give a second dose within the next 48
>hours or so, as it takes that long for it to be purged from
>the system. So to be on the safe side, veterinarians tell you
>to never give aspirin to a cat or dog. It's easier to
I'm wondering how do you tell if a cat or dog has a headache?
Edward Green
Terry Smith <po...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
>"Edward Green" <e...@panix.com> wrote in message
>news:8taivl$4d0$1...@news.panix.com...
>>
>> I suppose, this being AFU and all, I should provide a citation,
>> but there are volcanic lakes, well, at least one, known to kill
>> people in a surrounding district when they periodically "boil" with
>> trapped CO2 release, like a giant soda pop. That is almost certainly
>> suffocation by displacment of air.
>
>Only for very small values of `almost'. I read some reports regarding the
>Central African lakes following the New Scientist story , [1989[L(1)]] and
>there wasn't much credence given to the `merely suffocation' hypothesis in
>any of the *citeable* literature.
I admit it. My reference was an issue of Natural History (publication
of American Museum of same name), and they didn't actually say
anything about CO2 toxicity; and if they did, they probably would have
got it wrong, because it is a "popular" publication.
>"~Human toxicity~: Dyspnea, vomiting, disorientation, hypertension may occur
>when 5% conc. administered for 1/2 hr. or more. A 10% concn. produces these
>symptoms in a few minutes. Continued use after onset of symptoms will also
>result in convulsions, coma, acidosis, respiritary failure"
>
>_From_ : Stecher, P., G.[Ed.] (1960) _The Merk Index_ (7th. ed.). page 211.
>Merk & Co., Inc. N.J. Lib.Cong. cat. card # 60-5088.
>
>Doctors, nurses and phsyiologists would not find this information novel nor
>suprising. You learn something old every day.
Yes, thank you. So CO2 is indeed a toxin in moderate concentrations,
not just a gas which may reduce the concentration of oxygen. Good to
know.
Mitcho
> I'm wondering how do you tell if a cat or dog has a headache?
She refuses your sexual advances?
Mitcho
--
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http://www.employees.org/~redneck
Terry Smith
> In article <39f93d25$0$11636$7f31...@news01.syd.optusnet.com.au>,
> Terry Smith <po...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
>
> >"Edward Green" <e...@panix.com> wrote in message
> >news:8taivl$4d0$1...@news.panix.com...
> >>
> >> suffocation by displacment of air.
> >
> >Only for very small values of `almost'. I read some reports regarding
the
> I admit it. My reference was an issue of Natural History (publication
> of American Museum of same name), and they didn't actually say
One reason the group exists - A `good' journalist will at least try, and
often gets it almost right. I take New Scientist, et. al, as something that
tells me things worth following up. We do get a little sarcastic when people
accept the Weakly Whirled Gnus as an authoritive report.
Not you, but it happens. Half the population are below average
intelligence.
Rebecca Smith
news:G342G...@world.std.com...
Ooooh, I forgot about that stuff. My vet gave it to me because he thought
it would be easier than giving the cat a pill. Now I'm *very* good at
giving pills to cats, dogs and just about any other reluctant creature you
can think of, but that pink stuff nearly got me killed.
First, grab cat and stick dropper full of pink gunk under lip. Cat jerks
away at last second and pink gunk shoots into his ear and all over my hand.
Reposition for a firmer grip of cat's head, locking cat's body under arm.
Realize that I now need to refill dropper and cannot release cat to do so as
he is poised to flee, probably to Canada (only 8 miles from here, so not
impossible, but I *think* the border officials would get him). In a burst
of clever forethought I have placed the bottle far enough away that it will
not get spilled in the fray, so I now have to maneuver frantic cat-under-arm
(ouch) over to the bottle to refill. Refill, sit back down, deep breath,
begin motion of bringing dropper near cat's face... nuclear explosion! I
get the hydrogen peroxide and clean up the wounds, tamping blood flow with
bits of toilet paper stuck in places I didn't know the cat could reach.
Count of claw marks makes me pretty sure that there were at least two cats
involved and I make a mental note to call Oliver Stone about it. I climb
under the bed and try the useless, "Here kitty kitty, mommy won't hurt you"
gambit, but have to drag him out by the scruff anyway (and thank god for
wood floors). Now I regroup. It's time for the towel. I wrap said towel
around the cat, tightly, leaving only his head exposed. I grip the towel
clad cat with one arm, the dropper with another and arrange the cat so his
head is under my arm so I can hold his head still as the sight of the
dropper starts the frantic wriggling again. Unknown to me, this wriggling
has loosened the towel just enough to free one front paw. When I put the
dropper into his mouth I feel a sudden sharp pain in my hand. The paw has
come up and his claws are sunk in and pulling my hand away. I manage to get
a third of the dose into the cat before the pain overtakes me and the rest
is on the towel, the cat, and (due to a violent head shake from the cat) all
over my face. Hey a third! I rewrap, refill, reposition, rescream,
resquirt and rewipe. Then again and I have achieved a single dosing of the
cat!
To repeated three times per day for ten days.
Rebecca "Yes, I am familiar with the pink stuff" Smith
HWM
> > The one exception I'm aware of is that I have to assume that
> > the pink, bubble-gum flavored liquid amoxicillin
Goodness gracious! I thought it was child abuse to give that gunk to
kids(*). Hasn't the RSPCA or whatever gotten to the vets yet!
> I rewrap, refill, reposition, rescream,
Ungh, seen it, done that. Only there was two of us, the cat however got
suspicious and didn't want to come out and play. Having an oilskin and
good leather gloves does the trick, though the towel helps too. Only if
the cat doesn't manage to squirm around inside its skin I swear that one
did. No wonder the owl hadn't gotten a bigger clawful out of it. I pity
the owl, actually.
--
Cheers, HWM |*
hen...@iobox.fi |*
http://www.kuru.da.ru |*
R H Draney
>
> Ooooh, I forgot about that stuff. My vet gave it to me because he thought
> it would be easier than giving the cat a pill.
No doubt about it, you gotta get another vet....
The only way to make sure a cat stays where you want it is to four-point
the critter...that's just to preserve the integrity of your own
flesh...even then you're not going to get it to swallow a liquid it
doesn't think it wants....r
--
My other tractor is a Hoyt-Clagwell
Mitcho
> The one exception I'm aware of is that I have to assume that
> the pink, bubble-gum flavored liquid amoxicillin my vets
> always give us for infections was developed to be palatable
> to small children, not cats. The cats certainly don't seem
> to care for the stuff.
Rats, being contrary creatures when they are feeling uppity, or ill,
like it just fine until they realize it's medicine. Then they twist
and squirm and you have to shove the eyedropper into their mouths to
get them to take it. Once that's over, they spend a few moments
making sure they lick every last drop from their fur and environs.
HWM
> Once that's over, they spend a few moments
> making sure they lick every last drop from their fur and environs.
Someone said to me the best way to make a cat get its medicine was to
douse its paws in the stuff - now this just struck me just as the way to
do it. Next time over might try. Cats are neat animals too.
Terry Smith
"Rebecca Smith" <Reb...@ematic.com> wrote in message
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.
>
> First, grab cat and stick dropper full of pink gunk under lip. Cat jerks
> away at last second and pink gunk shoots into his ear and all over my
hand.
Smug mode: ON
I suppose if you'd squirted it on its chest or paws, it would have gone and
taken a shower.
Rebecca Smith
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first to show his displeasure at having pink crap squirted on him. Across
the bed, through the curtains straight for the off-white carpeting, while
still managing to keep the entire dose on his paws and chest. Did I mention
this stuff is pink and gooey?
Besides, it's medicine, and that method doesn't exactly support scientific
dosing. I'll just get the pills next time. We do just fine with that.
Rebecca "A cat will out-smug you every time" Smith
Karen J. Cravens
>Someone said to me the best way to make a cat get its medicine was to
>douse its paws in the stuff - now this just struck me just as the way to
>do it. Next time over might try. Cats are neat animals too.
It depends on the stickiness factor. Remember that a cat with something
ucky on its paws will first vigorously shake said paw...
--
Karen "we're talking pink dots on the ceiling" Cravens
Robert Fanning
Frieza <Jerem...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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> is it true that cats die from eating chocolate?
>
>
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> ~Frieza: The Best Of The Best!!
>
>
Dogs too - apparently the stimulant in chocolate has a great effect. You
shouldn't feed them caffeine either.
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ICQ# 21989006
"Secure in the knowledge I am acting for the greater good, I could do more
harm than the greatest incarnations of evil"
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Spammers, Junk Mailers and Flamers go on my block senders list.
I don't want to buy anything, give to charity or hear religious speech.
Andrea Jones
I haven't noticed that it's particularly palatable to children, either.
At any rate, I once had to administer over the counter "Baby Benadryl" to
my youngest cat, Abigail the Abdomen, after her pastime of catching bees
and biting their heads off went bad and she was stung in the paw. I
learned two important things from this maneuver: 1) Abigail the Abdomen
will always get one paw free and try to kill you with it if you try to
squirt Benadryl down her throat, and 2) a cat who has been force-fed cherry
flavored Baby Benadryl can drool like a Labrador puppy at dinner time.
Andrea "and 3) she won't forgive you until dinner time" Jones
Charles Wm. Dimmick
> Besides, it's medicine, and that method doesn't exactly support scientific
> dosing. I'll just get the pills next time. We do just fine with that.
I've been dosing cats since I was 10 years old. After
50 years of practice, I've gotten pretty good with both
pills and medicine droppers. On the other hand, getting
them to hold still while you clean out their ears isn't
always easy.
Charles Wm. Dimmick
Lizz Holmans
<aegi...@msn.com> writes
>Charity Stafford wrote in message ...
>>"Rebecca Smith" <Reb...@ematic.com> writes:
>>
>>>Point of fact, I've never had similar prescriptions (of human meds) for
>my
>>>cats.
>>
>>The one exception I'm aware of is that I have to assume that
>>the pink, bubble-gum flavored liquid amoxicillin my vets
>>always give us for infections was developed to be palatable
>>to small children, not cats. The cats certainly don't seem
>>to care for the stuff.
>
>
>I haven't noticed that it's particularly palatable to children, either.
Au contraire. The Mutant and the Imps of Satan all loved the pink
medicine. Since, by some physical anomaly, they never felt any pain
during an ear infection, to them the pink medicine was a real treat.
Lizz 'Happy 24th birthday, Mutant. I love you.' Holmans
--
Lizz Holmans
Lon Stowell
Rebecca Smith <Reb...@ematic.com> wrote:
>"Charity Stafford" <c...@world.std.com> wrote in message
>news:G342G...@world.std.com...
>> "Rebecca Smith" <Reb...@ematic.com> writes:
>>
>> >Point of fact, I've never had similar prescriptions (of human meds) for
>my
>> >cats.
>>
>> The one exception I'm aware of is that I have to assume that
>> the pink, bubble-gum flavored liquid amoxicillin my vets
>> always give us for infections was developed to be palatable
>> to small children, not cats. The cats certainly don't seem
>> to care for the stuff.
>>
>> Charity "Pink Froth" Stafford
>
>Ooooh, I forgot about that stuff. My vet gave it to me because he thought
>it would be easier than giving the cat a pill. Now I'm *very* good at
>giving pills to cats, dogs and just about any other reluctant creature you
>can think of, but that pink stuff nearly got me killed.
Two Words.
Welding Gloves.
Unless you have a former knight in the family.
Karen J. Cravens
>Charity "Pink Froth" Stafford
And pink froth is *nothing* compared to over-the-counter tapeworm remedies.
I *still* have a sticky purple stain of what apparently includes iodine on
the carpet in the back room. There'd still be another in the front room
where the swivel rocker used to be, except we ripped out the carpet.
--
Karen "the only way to be sure" Cravens
Exquisite Corpse
>>>
>>> Well, I stupidly gave my dog chocolate covered penis. Luckily, she didn't
>> die.
>>>
>>
>> Sweetie, sweetie, sweetie. It's *peanut butter* you spread on the genitals.
Liver Pate. I don't know if this is true I heard it from AFOAF
It was on a European show, I think it was some prank show, like Beadle's
about or Candid Camera. Anyway they had set up camera's all over the house
and had the family in the studio. Anyway before the door to door salesman or
whatever the prank is, the daughter goes over to the fridge picks up some
liver pate, then head on upstairs with the family dog, spreads herself out
spread eagle on the bed, coat the genitalia in pate and lets the dog go to
work. From what I heard they then cut to the parents.
> ARG! Freudian slip - I meant PEANUTS! Sorry, that's what I get for watching
> talk shows while posting!
> ~Jami JoAnne Russell~
Alex ---
"I regret to say that we of the FBI are powerless to act in cases
of oral-genital intimacy, unless it has in some way obstructed
interstate commerce." -- J. Edgar Hoover
Exquisite Corpse
> I'm wondering how do you tell if a cat or dog has a headache?
They refuse to have sex
Alex ---
My place is here corrupting the young..
Nancy Boston
<L_Nh...@syphax.co.uk> writes
>
>Liver Pate. I don't know if this is true I heard it from AFOAF
>
>It was on a European show, I think it was some prank show, like Beadle's
>about or Candid Camera.
In the version I heard (in the summer of 98 I think), it was on Spanish
TV. Recorded live.
> Anyway they had set up camera's all over the house
>and had the family in the studio. Anyway before the door to door salesman or
>whatever the prank is, the daughter goes over to the fridge picks up some
>liver pate, then head on upstairs with the family dog, spreads herself out
>spread eagle on the bed, coat the genitalia in pate and lets the dog go to
>work. From what I heard they then cut to the parents.
In my version it was Ricky Martin the well-known and hugely popular
singer who was supposed to surprise his faithful fan. So Ricky Martin,
bursts in, is appalled by what he sees and bursts out again.
Otherwise the story is as you have so prettily depicted it, except mine
claimed that there was a video in circulation. I don't know anyone who
managed to get hold of one (not that I would know anyone who would be
interested in owning anything like that you understand).
--
Nancy "living la vida loca" B
Dr H
On Sun, 29 Oct 2000, Terry Smith wrote:
}Not you, but it happens. Half the population are below average
}intelligence.
Not in Lake Wobegone.
Dr H
Dr H
On Thu, 26 Oct 2000, Karen J. Cravens wrote:
}hiaw...@efn.org (Dr H) wrote:
}
}> It's basically grain alcohol (ethanol), and sold in liquor stores in
}> states in which it is legal. It's intended for human consumption when
}> mixed with other substances, as in a punch, though there are some
}> (mostly American males of college age) who attempt to drink it straight.
}
}Also dogs. Although she wasn't so much attempting to drink it straight as
}to lick it off the cement, which wasn't doing much good since it had
}absorbed/evaporated too fast. Also too fast to light, which was the point
}of pouring it on the floor, for the humans. I don't remember exactly what
}the point of lighting it was, at the time.
It's funny: I've had dogs that wouldn't touch any hard alcohol, and
others where you had to watch your glass or they'd slurp it down,
whatever it was.
They all liked beer, though.
Dr H
K. D.
"Dr H" <hiaw...@efn.org> wrote in message
news:Pine.GSU.4.21.001102...@garcia.efn.org...
> It's funny: I've had dogs that wouldn't touch any hard alcohol, and
> others where you had to watch your glass or they'd slurp it down,
> whatever it was.
>
> They all liked beer, though.
But, did they like gravy master?
-KD
Dr H
On Thu, 2 Nov 2000, K. D. wrote:
}
}"Dr H" <hiaw...@efn.org> wrote:
}
}> It's funny: I've had dogs that wouldn't touch any hard alcohol, and
}> others where you had to watch your glass or they'd slurp it down,
}> whatever it was.
}>
}> They all liked beer, though.
}
}But, did they like gravy master?
No <ahem> personal experience with that one... :-)
Dr H
Chris W.
> [1] The US is a strange country .... bread lasts for weeks before turning blue ...
Why *is* that, anyway? Is it some sort of chemical not baked into it in
other countries? Is it the same thing that makes it taste stale upon
first purchase?
Chris "must report findings back to home country" Webb
Chris W.
> [1] The US is a strange country .... bread lasts for weeks before turning blue ...
Why *is* that, anyway? Is it some sort of chemical not baked into it in
other countries? Is it the same thing that makes it taste stale upon
first purchase? Is it toxic to dogs?
JoAnne Schmitz
>My damn kill file is so long now, I probably will _never_ find out....
A dedicated poster, is this Edward Green.
JoAnne "not that you're reading this" Schmitz
Lon Stowell
Karen J. Cravens <silve...@phoenyx.net> wrote:
>chrisda...@usa.net (Chris W.) wrote in <3A073D6A...@usa.net>:
>
>>Paul Linden wrote:
>>
>>> [1] The US is a strange country .... bread lasts for weeks before
>>> turning blue ...
>>
>>Why *is* that, anyway? Is it some sort of chemical not baked into it in
>>other countries? Is it the same thing that makes it taste stale upon
>>first purchase?
>
>requirement or anything, so one can still get proto-blue, not-stale-yet
>bread. Inexplicably, it costs more to leave this chemical out.
>
What chemical is that anyway? Is it the same chemical that
gives store-bought bread all of the flavor and aroma of
aged fir--minus the fir flavor?
Lon "it is sawdust" Stowell
Karen J. Cravens
>Paul Linden wrote:
>
>> [1] The US is a strange country .... bread lasts for weeks before
>> turning blue ...
>
>Why *is* that, anyway? Is it some sort of chemical not baked into it in
>other countries? Is it the same thing that makes it taste stale upon
>first purchase?
Yes, and yes, near as I can tell. Fortunately, it's not a federal
requirement or anything, so one can still get proto-blue, not-stale-yet
bread. Inexplicably, it costs more to leave this chemical out.
Don't even get me started on "Grandma's Cookies."
--
Karen "bread machines are nifty, too" Cravens
Terry Smith
"Chris W." <chrisda...@usa.net> wrote in message
news:3A073D80...@usa.net...
> Paul Linden wrote:
>
> > [1] The US is a strange country .... bread lasts for weeks before
turning blue ...
>
> Why *is* that, anyway? Is it some sort of chemical not baked into it in
> other countries? Is it the same thing that makes it taste stale upon
One clue may be that Aotearoan [East Sydney] bread was sold cheaply if it
was one day old when I lived there, whereas Austrian bread, other than that
bought at `speciality' bakers, has at least a four-day use-by date [and
tastes stale on purchase].
Terry "not driving to Mt Gambier for lunch today, even if it does look close
on the map" Smith.