[OT] Entomology of fuck?
Joseph M. Shair
Well, no. Not really.
What I've been unsuccessfully looking for are the
entomologies of the phrases "fuck-me pumps" and "piss
up a rope". (Since I don't read a.u.e and didn't see
either in its FAQ...) Any suggestions^Whelp would be
appreciated.
I did come across a page which might be of interest to
many AFUisti, "A Web of Specialized On-line Dictionaries":
http://angli02.kgw.tu-berlin.de/call/webofdic/diction4.html
"Welcome to the new page of dictionaries on specialized
topics. General dictionaries often omit terms which are
too 'specialized'. This page will list dictionaries which,
well, specialize in specialized topics, such as those you
see in the table below."
or, for its English-language search page:
http://angli02.kgw.tu-berlin.de/call/webofdic/diction.html
Joe "Port Out, Shit-faced Home." Shair
--
Remove invisible fnord words to reply.
"Christianity was just another mystery cult until Jesus was born.
The mother of Jesus was Mary, who was different from other women
because of her immaculate contraption." _Non Campus Mentis_
Lee Rudolph
>Well, no. Not really.
>
>What I've been unsuccessfully looking for are the
>entomologies of the phrases "fuck-me pumps"
According to entomologist Jesse Sheidlower of the Order of
Eremetic Dervishes (or some such organization), in his book
_The F Word_ (ISBN 0-0-375-70634-8), the adjective "fuck-me",
meaning
(especially of an article of clothing) intended to invite
sexual advances
is attested in 1974 in D. Bowie's pop. song _We Are the Dead_,
with lyric "I love you in your fuck-me pumps". P. (I believe
that's Pam, hi Pam!) Munro, in _U.C.L.A. Slang_ (1989), is
the next citation: "_Fuck-me boots_...mid-calf or higher boots
worn under a miniskirt." However, when we come to the most
recently dated citation, "1998 N. Y. C. writer, age 70",
we are thrown back to "the 1960s when the niece of the then-
editor of _Vogue_, Diana Vreeland, startled me by referring
to her `fuck-me boots.'" So which came first, the boot or
the pump? And when? Even the experts don't know.
Lee "different pumps for different stumps" Rudolph
Ragnar
"Joseph M. Shair" <sant...@adams.fnordnet> wrote in message
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>
> What I've been unsuccessfully looking for are the
> entomologies of the phrases "fuck-me pumps" and "piss
> up a rope". (Since I don't read a.u.e and didn't see
> either in its FAQ...) Any suggestions^Whelp would be
> appreciated.
>
What does the study of insects (entomology) have to do with the history of
fuck?
You probably really want to know about etymology, don't you?
ragnar
John Dean
"Joseph M. Shair" <sant...@adams.fnordnet> wrote in message
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>
>
> What I've been unsuccessfully looking for are the
> entomologies of the phrases "fuck-me pumps" and "piss
> up a rope". (Since I don't read a.u.e and didn't see
> either in its FAQ...) Any suggestions^Whelp would be
> appreciated.
>
--
John Dean
Oxford
De-frag to reply
Michael J. Lowrey
>
> Well, no. Not really.
>
> What I've been unsuccessfully looking for are the
> entomologies of the phrases "fuck-me pumps"
> appreciated.
There was a lengthy discussion of this topic on
rec.arts.sf.fandom a while back. Apparently, the experts
have no clue; it is your classic undocumented slang.
--
Michael J. Lowrey
prefers orange Converse hi-tops
Simon Slavin
"Ragnar" <rwo...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> What does the study of insects (entomology) have to do with the history of
> fuck?
Hi, Ragnar and welcome to alt.folklore.urban. We have a FAQ (posted
in the last few days) and a style-guide (which I post on or about the
beginning of every month). If you can't find the style-guide using
Google feel free to email me and I'll email you a copy.
Simon.
--
http://www.hearsay.demon.co.uk | [One] thing that worries me about Bush and
No junk email please. | Blair's "war on terrorism" is: how will they
| know when they've won it ? -- Terry Jones
THE FRENCH WAS THERE
Ragnar
"Simon Slavin" <sla...@hearsay.demon.co.uk@localhost> wrote in message
news:B895F24A...@10.0.1.2...
> In article <_CBb8.3361$tu6.3...@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net>,
> "Ragnar" <rwo...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> > What does the study of insects (entomology) have to do with the history
of
> > fuck?
>
> Hi, Ragnar and welcome to alt.folklore.urban. We have a FAQ (posted
> in the last few days) and a style-guide (which I post on or about the
> beginning of every month). If you can't find the style-guide using
> Google feel free to email me and I'll email you a copy.
>
First off, "welcome" is hardly appropriate for someone who's been lurking
and posting on afu since before 1997. Makes me wonder how long you've been
here. Maybe I should say "welcome" to you instead.
Also, please tell me what part of the great and glorious style guide I've
violated. No, I DON'T WANT A COPY E-MAILED TO ME. Just tell me.
Ragnar
Chris Clarke
"Ragnar" <rwo...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> Also, please tell me what part of the great and glorious style guide I've
> violated. No, I DON'T WANT A COPY E-MAILED TO ME. Just tell me.
The part where you're supposed to know the shibbolethim.
"Entomology/Etymology" has been an injoke here for some time. Probably
not as long as "voracious" or "Austria," but there's still at least a
year's worth of venerabilitudinousness to it.
--
Chris Clarke | Editor, Faultline Magazine
www.faultline.org | California Environmental News and Information
Charles Wm. Dimmick
> The part where you're supposed to know the shibbolethim.
> "Entomology/Etymology" has been an injoke here for some time. Probably
> not as long as "voracious" or "Austria," but there's still at least a
> year's worth of venerabilitudinousness to it.
Looking back to January, 1996:
hat...@netcom.com (DaveHatunen) wrote, perhaps among other things...
>
>You don't really follow alt.folklore.urban, do you? "Furrfu" has a very
>specific entomology.
Charles Wm. "furrfu" Dimmick
--
"And some rin up hill and down dale, knapping the
chucky stanes to pieces wi' hammers, like sae mony
road-makers run daft -- they say it is to see how
the warld was made!"
Deborah Stevenson,,,
>"Simon Slavin" <sla...@hearsay.demon.co.uk@localhost> wrote in message
>news:B895F24A...@10.0.1.2...
>> Hi, Ragnar and welcome to alt.folklore.urban. We have a FAQ (posted
>> in the last few days) and a style-guide (which I post on or about the
>> beginning of every month). If you can't find the style-guide using
>> Google feel free to email me and I'll email you a copy.
>>
>First off, "welcome" is hardly appropriate for someone who's been lurking
>and posting on afu since before 1997. Makes me wonder how long you've been
>here.
Did you know "irony" isn't in the dictionary?
Deborah Stevenson
(stev...@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu)
Ragnar
<Deborah Stevenson>; <stev...@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu> wrote in message
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Actually, it is.
Ragnar
"Alice Faber" <afa...@panix.com> wrote in message
news:170220022144133793%afa...@panix.com...
> Furthermore, I suspect that Simon also recognizes that you've been
> around a while and that by "welcoming" you he was simply alluding to
> the fact that you'd made a newbie-mistake.
>
And which "newbie-mistake" would that be? Is correcting an error a
"newbie-mistake"?
Hugh Gibbons
"Ragnar" <rwo...@earthlink.net> wrote:
It's not an error. It's an in-joke, though it's been in use for so
long on this group that most of the present readers may not even know
the original context. That context, going back as far as Google would
take me, is explicated below:
rom: fa...@peregrine.Sun.COM (Ed Falk)
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
Subject: Re: Cockroach in the microwave
Message-ID: <134...@sun.Eng.Sun.COM>
Date: 26 Apr 90 00:30:56 GMT
References: <67...@accuvax.nwu.edu> <101...@convex.convex.com>
<22...@uflorida.cis.ufl.EDU>
Sender: ne...@sun.Eng.Sun.COM
Reply-To: fa...@sun.UUCP (Ed Falk)
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mountain View
Lines: 44
Posted: Thu Apr 26 01:30:56 1990
In article <22...@uflorida.cis.ufl.EDU> d...@beach.cis.ufl.edu (David A.
Johns) writes:
>
>And let's not forget the granddaddy of all urban legends, the
cockroach
>in the Univac (or Eniac or whatever) that supposedly gave rise to the
>term "bug" in computer jargon.
>
>For those of you who see this as a reasonable etymology, remember that
>"bug" was used for germ or disease well before World War II -- as in
>"Mary won't be in today, she caught a bug over the weekend."
Well, digging through my old archives, I find this item from the
"HUMOR" directory on MIT-AI:
Date: 23 Aug 1981 05:38:25-PDT
From: ARPAVAX.sjk at Berkeley
To: i:unix-wizards@sri-unix
Subject: entomology
Via: Berkeley.ArpaNet; 23 Aug 81 6:15-PDT
>From network Fri Aug 21 19:43:17 1981
Subject: origin of bug
Newsgroups: msgs
Ever wondered about the origins of the term "bugs" as applied to
computer
technology? U.S. Navy Capt. Grace Murray Hopper has firsthand
explanation.
The 74-year-old captain, who is still on active duty, was a pioneer
in
computer technology during World War II. At the C.W. Post Center of
Long Island University, Hopper told a group of Long Island public
school
administrators that the first computer "bug" was a real bug -- a moth.
At Harvard one August night in 1945, Hopper and her associates were
working
on the "granddaddy" of modern computers, the Mark I. "Things were
going
badly; there was something wrong in one of the circuits of the long
glass-enclosed computer," she said. "Finally, someone located the
trouble spot and, using ordinary tweezers, removed the problem, a
two-inch
moth. From then on, when anything went wrong with a computer, we
said it
had bugs in it." Hopper said that when the veracity of her story was
questioned recently, "I referred them to my 1945 log book, now in the
collection of Naval Surface Weapons Center, and they found the
remains of
that moth taped to the page in question."
-ed falk, sun microsystems
sun!falk, fa...@sun.com
terrorist, cryptography, DES, drugs, cipher, secret, decode, NSA, CIA,
NRO, SDI.
Lee Rudolph
>But I'd really have expected someone who's been around here
>as long as I remember seeing posts from you to know exactly what
>entomology has to do with the meaning of "fuck".
Fornication Unleashes Cooties from the King!
Lee "bugger Bognor; rigor, Ragnar!" Rudolph
John Schmitt
"Ragnar" <rwo...@earthlink.net> writes:
>> Did you know "irony" isn't in the dictionary?
>Actually, it is.
Deborah is becoming absent-minded and addled. She meant to say
that "gullible" isn't in the dictionary.
Are there any anti-virus packages which can prevent the
Regressive Newbie Syndrome (RNS) from spreading?
John "afraid, very afraid" Schmitt
--
Since when are the musings of a talk show host a cite?
- Daniel Ucko lays it bare
Disclaimers apply
Ragnar
"Hugh Gibbons" <hgib...@x-remove-xaxs4u.net> wrote in message
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> In article <Ef%b8.18407$P21.1...@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net>,
> "Ragnar" <rwo...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> > "Alice Faber" <afa...@panix.com> wrote in message
> > news:170220022144133793%afa...@panix.com...
> >
> > > Furthermore, I suspect that Simon also recognizes that you've been
> > > around a while and that by "welcoming" you he was simply alluding to
> > > the fact that you'd made a newbie-mistake.
> > >
> >
> > And which "newbie-mistake" would that be? Is correcting an error a
> > "newbie-mistake"?
>
> It's not an error. It's an in-joke, though it's been in use for so
> long on this group that most of the present readers may not even know
> the original context. That context, going back as far as Google would
> take me, is explicated below:
>
I'm willing to buy an "in-joke", but the original poster wasn't using it.
He was simply mistaken, and I corrected him.
Deborah Stevenson,,,
>I'm willing to buy an "in-joke", but the original poster wasn't using it.
>He was simply mistaken, and I corrected him.
Joe? Ha.
You were simply mistaken, and people corrected you.
Deborah Stevenson
(stev...@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu)
Dave
Ragnar 0.
ho ho ho.
"/betty/" <u...@bit.bucket.invalid> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 18 Feb 2002 04:16:03 GMT, "Ragnar" <rwo...@earthlink.net> used
> 24 lines of space inciting the following:
> Fuckwit. That retort was so un-clique.
>
> --
> /betty - helping busy soldier ants with obligatory duty/
> http://www.theonion.com/onion3534/missing_the_point.html
>
deacon b.
>Actually, it is.
in the last few days) and a style-guide (which Simon Slavin posts on
or about the beginning of every month). If you can't find the
style-guide using Google feel free to email Simon and he'll email you
a copy.
deke
--
Ambition is a poor excuse for
not having enough sense to be lazy.
Joseph M. Shair
shirt, lit a doobie and said:
<hack/>
> He was simply mistaken, and I corrected him.
When he's right, he's right. I stand (or rather sit)
corrected. Whatever you do, don't see:
http://www.gpafterhours.com/linguistics/speaking.pdf
where it says, among other far more fascinating stuff:
"Entomology/etymology: AFU commonly discusses folk
etymology, and has a resident Bug Lady entomologist,
Judy Johnson. The custom of etymology/entomology
substitution is another trap for the unwary. Joe
Shair has been trying to popularise the substitution
since January 2000, with some success."
But, then, you know ever so much more about what I was
doing/using than I do.
Joe "Hell, I even thought for a while
that I had invented it." Shair
--
Remove invisible fnord words to reply.
If Karl, instead of writing a lot about capital,
had made a lot of it ... it would have been much
better. (attrib) Karl Marx's mother
BBol924849
people are "doing it". The peasants wern't as delicate as their lords and
masters...
Lon Stowell
Sister Cleo just got busted for similar unfounded claims of
knowledge that comes from a special understanding not available
to lesser mortals. At least you didn't charge for that bit
of psychic proclamation.
Andrew McMichael
IHNTA, I just liked reading this.
--
Andrew McMichael, Papers of Thomas Jefferson, Princeton University
http://www.princeton.edu/~amcmicha/cv.html
"Doe maar gewoon, dan doe je al gek genoeg"-- A Dutch Proverb.
Ragnar
> In article <Ef%b8.18407$P21.1...@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net>,
> Ragnar <rwo...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> flames are lame".
>
Umm, I wasn't correcting his spelling. I was correcting the entire word.
Had he spelled "entomology" as "enthomology", I would be correcting his
spelling.
In other words, it wasn't a spelling flame.
Viv
Damn that's a fine collection of whoosh birds you're exhibiting there. The
purple-speckled one may have what it takes for Best In Show.
Vivienne "pining for the fnords" Smythe
--
"Words were indeed insubstantial. They were as soft as water, but they were
also as powerful as water and now they were rushing over the audience,
eroding the levees of veracity and carrying away the past."
Terry Pratchett's Granny Weatherwax sees the need for www.urbanlegends.com
Chris Clarke
"Ragnar" <rwo...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> In other words, it wasn't a spelling flame.
Nope. It was an intelligent person embarking on an inexplicable campaign
of cluelessness.
But we all have our bad days.
Lee Ayrton
On or about Mon, 18 Feb 2002, John Schmitt of joh...@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk wrote:
>
> Are there any anti-virus packages which can prevent the
> Regressive Newbie Syndrome (RNS) from spreading?
>
Do you mean this?
>> Tim:
>> Please post this through our company computer system. I want
>> everyone
>> to make an effort to help.
>>
>> Lars.
[multiple pages of FWD>>>s snipped]
PLEASE HELP!
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Please pass this along to everyone one you know and help these poor
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> > Furthermore, I suspect that Simon also recognizes that you've been
> > around a while and that by "welcoming" you he was simply alluding to
> > the fact that you'd made a newbie-mistake.
> >
>
> And which "newbie-mistake" would that be? Is correcting an error a
> "newbie-mistake"?
It sure the hell is around here. Remember the recipe for
rabbit stew that starts out "First make sure that what you
have is a rabbit."?
Charles Wm. "it ain't an error if it's intentional" Dimmick
Charles Wm. Dimmick
That would apply for the activity in hot weather, but which word
originated from the sounds made in cold weather?
Charles Wm. Dimmick
D.F.
watcher etc....expose of knubee syndrome:
>>> Tim:
>>> Please post this through our company computer system. I want
>>> everyone
>>> to make an effort to help.
>>>
>>> Lars.
>
>[multiple pages of FWD>>>s snipped]
>
>PLEASE HELP!
>
>I got this in e-mail from a friend of my sister's co-worker's mother. I
>checked it out and it is 100% totally legit, these people need our help.
>Please pass this along to everyone one you know and help these poor
>people.
>
>
> --------- A HORRIBLE DISEASE, AND YOU CAN HELP ---------
>
>Hi,
>
>My name is DeeDee and I'm 28 years old. You wouldn't know it to look at
>me but I have a horrible disease called Idiopathic Remittent Neohymenic
>Ectopia Syndrome, (sometimes pronounced Iron-ee Syndrome) formerly known
>as RNS.
>
>IRNES is a little-known, under-diagnosed neurological disorder of the
>brain. Those who suffer from this disease often find themselves posting<etc>
<pith mode mode>
Another fucking cricket match.
<pith mode off>
Jim Everman
>
> BBol924849 wrote:
> >
> > The origin of the word "fuck" most likely comes from the sounds made when two
> > people are "doing it". The peasants wern't as delicate as their lords and
> > masters...
>
> That would apply for the activity in hot weather, but which word
> originated from the sounds made in cold weather?
Sc-c-c-c-rr-e-w-w-w-w...
--
Jim Everman mailto:eve...@Anet-STL.com
http://www.Anet-STL.com/~everman/
Never attribute to malice what can be adequately explained by
stupidity.
Charles A Lieberman
<20020218130135...@mb-fi.aol.com>
>The origin of the word "fuck" most likely comes from the sounds made when two
>people are "doing it".
Shame there're so few job opportunities for unicorn wranglers around.
--
Charles A. Lieberman | "I have no need for some little lecture from
Brooklyn, New York, USA | you, especially not one in which you are
cali...@bigfoot.com | wrong." -- Daniel Ucko
RPM
"Fornication Under Consent of King" (the latter for when the ruling
class would be able to take a newly married woman on her honeymoon
night to "insure" a royal seed.)
Joseph M. Shair <sant...@adams.fnordnet> wrote in message news:<MPG.16d888739...@news.supernews.com>...
> Well, no. Not really.
>
> What I've been unsuccessfully looking for are the
> entomologies of the phrases "fuck-me pumps" and "piss
> up a rope". (Since I don't read a.u.e and didn't see
> either in its FAQ...) Any suggestions^Whelp would be
> appreciated.
>
> I did come across a page which might be of interest to
> many AFUisti, "A Web of Specialized On-line Dictionaries":
> http://angli02.kgw.tu-berlin.de/call/webofdic/diction4.html
>
> "Welcome to the new page of dictionaries on specialized
> topics. General dictionaries often omit terms which are
> too 'specialized'. This page will list dictionaries which,
> well, specialize in specialized topics, such as those you
> see in the table below."
>
> or, for its English-language search page:
> http://angli02.kgw.tu-berlin.de/call/webofdic/diction.html
>
> Joe "Port Out, Shit-faced Home." Shair
Simon Slavin
"Ragnar" <rwo...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> Also, please tell me what part of the great and glorious style guide I've
> violated.
# Some of the regular posters occasionally include deliberate errors
# in spelling or grammar. If you post just to point out such errors
# then you're paying attension to the wrong thing.
Simon.
--
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No junk email please. | Blair's "war on terrorism" is: how will they
| know when they've won it ? -- Terry Jones
THE FRENCH WAS THERE
Simon Slavin
bbol9...@aol.com (BBol924849) wrote:
What are you ? A three hundred year old voyeur ?
Ragnar
"Simon Slavin" <sla...@hearsay.demon.co.uk@localhost> wrote in message
> In article <t0Zb8.6814$tu6.6...@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net>,
> "Ragnar" <rwo...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> > Also, please tell me what part of the great and glorious style guide
I've
> > violated.
>
> # Some of the regular posters occasionally include deliberate errors
> # in spelling or grammar. If you post just to point out such errors
> # then you're paying attension to the wrong thing.
>
Yeah. Right. So I'm supposed to just ignore it and move on? I should let
the barbarians win? Not on my watch, Spanky.
Ragnar
Chris Clarke
"Ragnar" <rwo...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> Yeah. Right. So I'm supposed to just ignore it and move on? I should let
> the barbarians win? Not on my watch, Spanky.
What a pendantic idiot.
Sherilyn
Chris Clarke <ccl...@faultline.org> wrote:
>In article <uUBc8.1326$ZC3.1...@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net>,
> "Ragnar" <rwo...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>> Yeah. Right. So I'm supposed to just ignore it and move on? I should let
>> the barbarians win? Not on my watch, Spanky.
>
>What a pendantic idiot.
You wouldn't be yanking our chain, wouldya?
--
Sherilyn
Rick Tyler
wrote:
>The part where you're supposed to know the shibbolethim.
>"Entomology/Etymology" has been an injoke here for some time. Probably
>not as long as "voracious" or "Austria,"
<snip>
Thankyouthankyouthankyou. I almost forgot to post this.
I was watching Olympic coverage of some alpine skiiing event (probably
on CBC), and the announcer clearly said the "Australian" competitor
was currently in *mumble* place. AUSTRALIAN. As clear as day. A
moment later he repeated the factoid using "Austrian."
-- Rick "A clear victory for AFU" Tyler
__________________________________________________________________
"Ignorant voracity -- a wingless vulture -- can soar only into the
depths of ignominy." Patrick O'Brian
Rick Tyler
wrote:
>
>"Simon Slavin" <sla...@hearsay.demon.co.uk@localhost> wrote
>> # Some of the regular posters occasionally include deliberate errors
>> # in spelling or grammar. If you post just to point out such errors
>> # then you're paying attension to the wrong thing.
>>
>
>Yeah. Right. So I'm supposed to just ignore it and move on? I should let
>the barbarians win? Not on my watch, Spanky.
>
-- Rick "Ever notice my favorite sig?" Tyler
Ragnar
"Chris Clarke" <ccl...@faultline.org> wrote in message
news:cclarke-30277E...@news.attbi.com...
> In article <uUBc8.1326$ZC3.1...@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net>,
> "Ragnar" <rwo...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> > Yeah. Right. So I'm supposed to just ignore it and move on? I should
let
> > the barbarians win? Not on my watch, Spanky.
>
> What a pendantic idiot.
>
Yes, I thought Slavin was. I just didn't want to mention it.
Timothy A. McDaniel
Does it count if the fish ignores the hook that's in plain sight and
leaps onto shore? Actually, since it's trash fish (really now,
"I know you are, but what am I?"?), it's clearly a mute point.
--
Tim McDaniel is tm...@jump.net; if that fail,
tm...@us.ibm.com is my work account.
"To join the Clueless Club, send a followup to this message quoting everything
up to and including this sig!" -- Jukka....@hut.fi (Jukka Korpela)
Richard Solie
"Ragnar" <rwo...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:eqdc8.8543$tu6.8...@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net...
You really are one tedious asshole. Sit down and shut up!
Karen J. Cravens
news:87v57uc0ddq19h40u...@4ax.com:
> Maroon.
Racist.
--
Karen J. Cravens
Chris Clarke
"Karen J. Cravens" <silve...@phoenyx.net> wrote:
> begin Rick Tyler <rht...@attbi.com> quotation from
> news:87v57uc0ddq19h40u...@4ax.com:
>
> > Maroon.
>
> Racist.
What's wrong with being racy?
Hugh Gibbons
<rht...@attbi.com> wrote:
> voracious
(with extreme clippage)
Now the entomology of this word on AFU is very interesting. But in a
Google search I found the following interesting item, which I will
quote Brian Utterback, with somewhat less severe clippage:
> From: b...@millipore.com (Brian Utterback)
> Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
> Subject: Re: hungry escalators
> Message-ID: <1990Nov1.1...@millipore.com>
> Date: 1 Nov 90 18:13:15 GMT
> References: <90301.2...@psuvm.psu.edu> <28...@boulder.Colorado.EDU>
> Organization: Millipore Corporation
> Lines: 27
> Posted: Thu Nov 1 19:13:15 1990
>
>
> Well, the topic of hungry escalators seems to have been confirmed. I
> too can
> attest to the voracious appetite of an escalator. The interesting
> thing
> thing I have noticed is that all the stories thus far (mine included)
> happened
> when the storyteller was about ten years old. From this we can conclude
> that
> escalators prefer 10 year olds.
I think this is the first instance (many kudos to Brian for his delphic
vision) of associating voracity with the concept of firsthand and
reliable confirmation, but it has yet to be put into its canonical
form.
That apparently didn't occur until more than two years later when Kevin
Cameron posted this classic, which because of its historic
significance, I hope you'll forgive me for re-posting in all it's
original grandeur. Many kudos for this jewel:
Newsgroups: alt.folklore.urban
From: kev...@kpc.com (Kevin Cameron)
Subject: A doubly bad pain in the neck
Message-ID: <1992May21.0...@kpc.com>
Keywords: pedants grandmothers GMBIL
Sender: use...@kpc.com
Organization: Kubota Pacific Computer
References: <1992May19.1...@sunova.ssc.gov>
<1992May20....@athena.cs.uga.edu>
Date: Thu, 21 May 1992 01:38:13 GMT
Lines: 54
In article <1992May20....@athena.cs.uga.edu>,
jor...@castor.cs.uga.edu (Chuck Jordan) writes:
|> In article <1992May19.1...@sunova.ssc.gov>
chuck...@qmail.ssc.gov (Chuck Adams) writes:
|>
|> >In article <1992May18....@kpc.com> kev...@kpc.com (Kevin
Cameron)
|> >writes:
[re tossing babies up into ceiling fans]
|> >> I hate to admit it but I know this has happened. My grandmother
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|> >> told me about some relative (distant enough that I never met him)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
|> >> that broke both of his daughter's necks this way. Apparently when
|> >> they were smaller he did this often with no ill effect and assumed
|> >> he still could. I don't believe the girls died though. I mention
|> >
|> >By golly, I think we hooked another one!
Duh, hooked another what?
|> I believe you're right. Ignoring the fact that it's a RDETINMHOMG
(much
|> worse than a FOAF) can I ask this -- After he broke ONE of his
daughter's
|> neck, why did he do it again with the other daughter?
|> Or did he throw them both up at once in some kind of wierd
simultaneous
|> child-tossing event I don't know about?
|> Or did his daughter have two necks? (Broke both of his daughter's
necks.)
|> Hmmmm.... Think about it, won't you?
The post to which I was responding mentioned a man who broke the neck
of each of his two sons (do you like that wording better?) by picking
each of them up in turn by his respective head (see how the number
of words needed to express oneself multiplies when there are pedants
about?).
I was saying that I thought that this may be more than mere legend
because it happened in my family. Why? Who knows for sure? As I
understand it, he was very upset after the first time. He probably
had a bunch of people telling him how stupid it was. He felt that
he (and his daughter) had gotten very unlucky. He picked up his
other daughter to prove that it wasn't dangerous. Stupid? Yes,
but who hasn't done something very stupid in his or her life?
As for the voracity of the source, this is my GRANDMOTHER you're
talking about. Aside from being a very fine lady whom I've NEVER
known to tell a lie (assertions suggesting otherwise will be
considered fighting words >:-| ), she has no reason to lie about a
member of our own family. Also, the relation was not all that distant
(possibly my grandmother's brother-in-law, that would make him a mere
GMBIL), I just don't remember what relative she said it was.
|> Chuck "Thrown Frequently as a Child" Jordan
--
Kevin "Stop Picking on Me, I've Got a Sore Neck" Cameron
"Those who will trade essential liberty for promise of security will
have neither" - Benjamin Franklin
Charles Wm. Dimmick
Particularly during the Olympics?
Dave
"Ragnar" <rwo...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:uUBc8.1326$ZC3.1...@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net...
Dave
> > wrote:
> >
> > >The part where you're supposed to know the shibbolethim.
> > >"Entomology/Etymology" has been an injoke here for some time. Probably
> > >not as long as "voracious" or "Austria,"
> > <snip>
> >
> > Thankyouthankyouthankyou. I almost forgot to post this.
> >
> > I was watching Olympic coverage of some alpine skiiing event (probably
> > on CBC), and the announcer clearly said the "Australian" competitor
> > was currently in *mumble* place. AUSTRALIAN. As clear as day. A
> > moment later he repeated the factoid using "Austrian."
> >
> > -- Rick "A clear victory for AFU" Tyler
>
Or any single American ever to walk the face of the earth :)
> Alice "be afraid; be very afraid" Faber
>
> --
> ==================I don't read crossposts==================
> "Apparently there are no gandy dancers among us."
> --Lee Ayrton points out a major deficiency in AFU
> ***** Check out the goodies at http://www.urbanlegends.com *****
Dave
news:ff99e8ad.02021...@posting.google.com...
> I always thought it either "Fornication Under Carnal Knowledge" or
> "Fornication Under Consent of King" (the latter for when the ruling
> class would be able to take a newly married woman on her honeymoon
> night to "insure" a royal seed.)
I heard "Command" as opposed to "Consent", and I don't think it was to do
with the prima nocte "arrangement"... but I may be very wrong indeed.
Dave
Alan J Rosenthal
>The origin of the word "fuck" most likely comes from the sounds made when two
>people are "doing it"
... and the person on top hits their head on the headboard. Fuck!
Larry M Headlund
>bbol9...@aol.com (BBol924849) wrote:
>
>> The origin of the word "fuck" most likely
>> comes from the sounds made when two
>> people are "doing it". The peasants wern't
>> as delicate as their lords and
>> masters...
>
--
--
Larry Headlund l...@world.std.com Mathematical Engineering, Inc.
(617) 242 7741
Unix, X and Motif Consulting Speaking for myself at most.
BBol924849
deacon b.
<cdim...@snet.net> posted something that included:
>Chris Clarke wrote:
>>
>> In article <Xns91BADADC...@207.178.103.4>,
>> "Karen J. Cravens" <silve...@phoenyx.net> wrote:
>>
>> > begin Rick Tyler <rht...@attbi.com> quotation from
>> > news:87v57uc0ddq19h40u...@4ax.com:
>> >
>> > > Maroon.
>> >
>> > Racist.
>>
>> What's wrong with being racy?
>
>Particularly during the Olympics?
36USC220506
deke
--
Ambition is a poor excuse for
not having enough sense to be lazy.
Leslie Marshall
>"RPM" <RPM_A...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:ff99e8ad.02021...@posting.google.com...
>> I always thought it either "Fornication Under Carnal Knowledge" or
>> "Fornication Under Consent of King" (the latter for when the ruling
>> class would be able to take a newly married woman on her honeymoon
>> night to "insure" a royal seed.)
>
>I heard "Command" as opposed to "Consent", and I don't think it was to do
>with the prima nocte "arrangement"... but I may be very wrong indeed.
A cow orker in all seriousness recently explained that it was a legal
term "For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge" used in divorce procedings to
describe adultery.
"Don't say adultery, it's such an ugly word. Say F**k instead."
LRM
--
"We demand rigidly defined areas of doubt and uncertainty."
Charles A Lieberman
<ff99e8ad.02021...@posting.google.com>
>"Fornication Under Consent of King" (the latter for when the ruling
>class would be able to take a newly married woman on her honeymoon
>night to "insure" a royal seed.)
That's the least logical explanation of jus primae noctis I've ever
seen.
--
Charles A. Lieberman | "Damned embarrassing, after that I've made a
Brooklyn, New York, USA | solemn promise not to help any schoolkids with
cali...@bigfoot.com | their homework." --HWM
Lee Rudolph
>RPM 19 Feb 2002 15:28:53 -0800
><ff99e8ad.02021...@posting.google.com>
>>"Fornication Under Consent of King" (the latter for when the ruling
>>class would be able to take a newly married woman on her honeymoon
>>night to "insure" a royal seed.)
>
>That's the least logical explanation of jus primae noctis I've ever
>seen.
Maybe it's been conflated with the "I dub thee Sir Loin!" tale.
Lee "rosbif au jus" Rudolph
Dr H
Hi, Ragnar.
I see you seem to be weathering the usual "afu welcome wagon" rather
well. ;-)
Dr H
Ragnar
"Dr H" <hiaw...@efn.org> wrote in message
news:Pine.GSU.4.21.02022...@garcia.efn.org...
I've been here for several years. Hardly a newbie. What the other
"regulars" don't realize is that after about the second reply to my post
I've been egging them on. Kind of fun to watch, isn't it?
Drew Lawson
"Ragnar" <rwo...@earthlink.net> writes:
>I've been here for several years. Hardly a newbie. What the other
>"regulars" don't realize is that after about the second reply to my post
>I've been egging them on. Kind of fun to watch, isn't it?
I vaguely recall having you in my killfile for a long time, long ago.
I couldn't recall why.
Apparently either you're a lying "I know you are but what am I"
twit who can't admit when he fucks up, or your a troll.
Drew "either is enough reason to restore your prior status" Lawson
--
Drew Lawson | If dreams were thunder,
| and lightning was desire,
dr...@furrfu.com | This old house would have burnt down
http://www.furrfu.com/ | a long time ago
Ragnar
"Drew Lawson" <dr...@furrfu.com> wrote in message
news:a56sbc$4qe$1...@home.eCynic.com...
> In article <vZAd8.9669$ZC3.7...@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net>
> "Ragnar" <rwo...@earthlink.net> writes:
>
> >I've been here for several years. Hardly a newbie. What the other
> >"regulars" don't realize is that after about the second reply to my post
> >I've been egging them on. Kind of fun to watch, isn't it?
>
> I vaguely recall having you in my killfile for a long time, long ago.
> I couldn't recall why.
>
> Apparently either you're a lying "I know you are but what am I"
> twit who can't admit when he fucks up, or your a troll.
>
> Drew "either is enough reason to restore your prior status" Lawson
Its a relatively free country. Feel free to killfile what you don't agree
with or understand. If it makes you feel empowered, go ahead and say
"plonk" when you do it. Perhaps a little dance or fist pump would also be
appropriate.
Ed Kaulakis
>
> Its a relatively free country. Feel free to killfile what you don't
agree
> with or understand. If it makes you feel empowered, go ahead and say
> "plonk" when you do it. Perhaps a little dance or fist pump would
also be
> appropriate.
Sorry, neither informative nor amusing. I hope you like beer and big
hooters.
Ed "kthxbye" Kaulakis
Chris Clarke
"Ed Kaulakis" <kaulaki...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> Sorry, neither informative nor amusing. I hope you like beer and big
> hooters.
You're sending him to Masson's Freud Center?
--
Chris Clarke | Editor, Faultline Magazine
www.faultline.org | California Environmental News and Information
Ed Kaulakis
> In article <SgOd8.1930$1d4.1...@twister.socal.rr.com>,
> "Ed Kaulakis" <kaulaki...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>
> > Sorry, neither informative nor amusing. I hope you like beer and big
> > hooters.
>
> You're sending him to Masson's Freud Center?
He's sleeping with the vicious.
Namely H and KD, beyond that bourne from which no traveller returns.
Ed "who would fardels bear? Or maroons?" Kaulakis
JoAnne Schmitz
>I've been here for several years. Hardly a newbie.
Yes, we know that.
>What the other
>"regulars" don't realize is that after about the second reply to my post
>I've been egging them on. Kind of fun to watch, isn't it?
"I meant to do that"? Geesh, that didn't even work in fourth grade.
JoAnne "how about 'I was sleepwalking and didn't know what I was doing'?"
Schmitz
Ragnar
"JoAnne Schmitz" <jsch...@qis.net> wrote in message
news:sgof7uke0du3enatm...@4ax.com...
You should note that I said "after about the second reply". I admit that
the initial reply from me to the original post was fairly stupid. But you
guys kept piling on, so I kept going.
Hugh Gibbons
"Ragnar" <rwo...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> You should note that I said "after about the second reply". I admit that
> the initial reply from me to the original post was fairly stupid. But you
> guys kept piling on, so I kept going.
And the words "oops" and "sorry" never crossed your mind?
Ragnar
"Hugh Gibbons" <hgib...@x-remove-xaxs4u.net> wrote in message
news:240220022129531841%hgib...@x-remove-xaxs4u.net...
Yes, they did. But the denizens of this group don't rate an insincere
apology. I did nothing wrong to begin with except be unaware that Joe Shair
is a trolling asshole who likes to play with words.
Chris Clarke
"Ragnar" <rwo...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> Yes, they did. But the denizens of this group don't rate an insincere
> apology. I did nothing wrong to begin with except be unaware that Joe Shair
> is a trolling asshole who likes to play with words.
I really want to construct a response to this, but Ragnar's entire
contribution to this thread is so seamless a web of palpable, malevolent
ignorance that I am hesitant to tamper with it in its perfection.
This is not meant to take anything away from JamiJo, who still bears the
"most convincing moron" crown. But watch your back, Russ-El. Rag Nar
comes, and he has Kryptonite for brains.
Chris "and thus surely has a lock on some AFU award or other" Clarke
Ragnar
> In article <yBie8.14829$ZC3.1...@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net>,
> "Ragnar" <rwo...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> > Yes, they did. But the denizens of this group don't rate an insincere
> > apology. I did nothing wrong to begin with except be unaware that Joe
Shair
> > is a trolling asshole who likes to play with words.
>
> I really want to construct a response to this, but Ragnar's entire
> contribution to this thread is so seamless a web of palpable, malevolent
> ignorance that I am hesitant to tamper with it in its perfection.
>
Thank you. One tries to keep up with the standards set by others on the
group.
Leo G Simonetta
Let's see;
The McJeffy twist (you weren't trolling me, I was trolling you)
with a Reverse Troll slam/I know what you are, what am I combo.
Judges score
Technical Merit
JP RU FR US IT CN SK
4.5 4.7 5.6 4.6 5.0 4.4 4.9
Artistic Impression
4.3 4.6 5.7 4.4 4.7 4.6 4.7
(A quick check of the ordinals) Whoops, no medal this year,
perhaps you should plan to be in Turin in a few years.
Leo "We're all trolling assholes on this bus" Simonetta
--
"Oh, I'm sure all right. Tussling with a bunch of turd-wranglers like there
are around here is so much more fun! BTW my mental skills can open up a
can of whup-ass on yours." Dave Butner shows how to win friends and
influence people on afu.
Joseph M. Shair
shirt, lit a doobie and said:
<hack/>
> apology. I did nothing wrong to begin with except be unaware that Joe Shair
> is a trolling asshole who likes to play with words.
In the words of the immortal bard, Chubby Checker:
"Let's flop again, like we did last summer.
Let's flop again, like we did last year.
Do you remember when
Fish were really jumpin'?
Let's flop again.
Flopping time is here!"
Joe "Shirley you're not saying someone on AFU
likes to play with words? How Eeevile!" Shair
--
Remove invisible fnord words to reply.
<M*tt*>
An ounce of emotion is equal to a ton of facts. -- John Junor
</M*tt*>
Dr H
On Fri, 22 Feb 2002, Alice Faber wrote:
}
}Alice "PLONK" Faber
Howcum so many afuski have the same middle name?
Dr H
Dr H
Don't knock it till you've tried it, Ed. :-)
Dr H
Dr H
On Sat, 23 Feb 2002, Ragnar wrote:
}
}"Dr H" <hiaw...@efn.org> wrote in message
}news:Pine.GSU.4.21.02022...@garcia.efn.org...
}>
}> On Wed, 20 Feb 2002, Ragnar wrote:
}>
}> }
}> }"Chris Clarke" <ccl...@faultline.org> wrote in message
}> }news:cclarke-30277E...@news.attbi.com...
}> }> In article <uUBc8.1326$ZC3.1...@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net>,
}> }> "Ragnar" <rwo...@earthlink.net> wrote:
}> }>
}> }> > Yeah. Right. So I'm supposed to just ignore it and move on? I
}> }> >should let the barbarians win? Not on my watch, Spanky.
}> }>
}> }> What a pendantic idiot.
}> }>
}> }
}> }Yes, I thought Slavin was. I just didn't want to mention it.
}>
}> Hi, Ragnar.
}>
}> I see you seem to be weathering the usual "afu welcome wagon" rather
}> well. ;-)
}>
}> Dr H
}
}I've been here for several years. Hardly a newbie.
I knew that...
}What the other
}"regulars" don't realize is that after about the second reply to my post
}I've been egging them on. Kind of fun to watch, isn't it?
Always. ;-)
Dr H
Leslie Marshall
>
>On Sat, 23 Feb 2002, Ragnar wrote:
>}
>}>
>}> Hi, Ragnar.
>}>
>}> I see you seem to be weathering the usual "afu welcome wagon" rather
>}> well. ;-)
>}>
>}> Dr H
>}
>}I've been here for several years. Hardly a newbie.
>
> I knew that...
Sure you did... Nobody ever puts one over on old H, do they?
(insert pithy oneliner follow up here)
K.D.
Maybe because they all changed it from Wayne.*
-KD
*as in: John Wayne Bobbit. Along with: Alvin Wayne Crane, Andrew Wayne
Toler, Carl Wayne Heath, Christopher Wayne Lippard, Dallas Wayne Shults,
Daniel Wayne Warfield, Darrell Wayne Wright, David Wayne Kunze, David Wayne
McCall, David Wayne Outlaw Sr., David Wayne Smith, Derrick Wayne Kualapai
Sr., Donald Wayne Darling II, George Wayne McBroom, Jerald Wayne Harjo,
Jerry Wayne Walker, John Wayne Boggs Jr., John Wayne Gacy, John Wayne Moses,
Kevin Wayne Coffey, Lewis Wayne Seay, Mark Wayne Jennings, Mark Wayne Jones,
Michael Wayne Brown, Michael Wayne Eggers, Michael Wayne Farmer, Michael
Wayne Henry, Richard Wayne Gorrie, Richard Wayne Smith, Rocky Wayne McGowan,
Ronald Wayne Frye, Steven Wayne Hall, Steven Wayne McBride, Terry Wayne
Freeman, Timothy Wayne Border,
Hugh Gibbons
Clarke <ccl...@faultline.org> wrote:
> In article <yBie8.14829$ZC3.1...@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net>,
> "Ragnar" <rwo...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> > Yes, they did. But the denizens of this group don't rate an insincere
> > apology. I did nothing wrong to begin with except be unaware that Joe Shair
> > is a trolling asshole who likes to play with words.
>
> I really want to construct a response to this, but Ragnar's entire
> contribution to this thread is so seamless a web of palpable, malevolent
> ignorance that I am hesitant to tamper with it in its perfection.
>
> This is not meant to take anything away from JamiJo, who still bears the
> "most convincing moron" crown. But watch your back, Russ-El. Rag Nar
> comes, and he has Kryptonite for brains.
>
> Chris "and thus surely has a lock on some AFU award or other" Clarke
That would be the MOTie (Most Obstinate Troll).
Tony Sweeney
Duh. Get with the program.
Lon "PLONK" Stowell.
--
quis custodiet ipsos custodes? -- Juvenal, VI.347-8
Tony Sweeney
Fuck off, bitch. :-|
Anthony 'Edward' Sweeney.
Randy Poe
<rwo...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>> Did you know "irony" isn't in the dictionary?
>>
>
>Actually, it is.
>
But "gullible" isn't.
Dr H2O
> On Mon, 25 Feb 2002 10:42:45 -0800, Dr H <hiaw...@efn.org> wrote:
>
> >
> >On Sat, 23 Feb 2002, Ragnar wrote:
> >}
>
> >}>
> >}> Hi, Ragnar.
> >}>
> >}> I see you seem to be weathering the usual "afu welcome wagon" rather
> >}> well. ;-)
> >}>
> >}> Dr H
> >}
> >}I've been here for several years. Hardly a newbie.
> >
> > I knew that...
>
> Sure you did... Nobody ever puts one over on old H, do they?
>
> (insert pithy oneliner follow up here)
>
> LRM
Pithy? Do you watch The O'Reilly Factor too?
:)
Dr H2O
So, your middle name used to be Wayne too?
;)
DD
tee hee!!! u r cute!!!! (o)(o)
> On Wed, 20 Feb 2002, Ragnar wrote:
>
> }
> }"Chris Clarke" <ccl...@faultline.org> wrote in message
> }news:cclarke-30277E...@news.attbi.com...
> }> In article <uUBc8.1326$ZC3.1...@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net>,
> }> "Ragnar" <rwo...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> }>
> }> > Yeah. Right. So I'm supposed to just ignore it and move on? I should
> let
> }> > the barbarians win? Not on my watch, Spanky.
> }>
> }> What a pendantic idiot.
> }>
> }
> }Yes, I thought Slavin was. I just didn't want to mention it.
>
DD
tee hee!!!!!!! (o)(o)
DD
u r cute 2!!!!!!! (o)(o)
DD
tee hee!!!!!!! (o)(o)
Rick Tyler
<sant...@adams.fnordnet> wrote:
>
>Joe "Shirley you're not saying someone on AFU
> likes to play with words? How Eeevile!" Shair
As long as you do it in private and wash your hands afterwards, I
don't see how it can do any harm.
-- Rick "Thanks to RAH" Tyler
__________________________________________________________________
"Ignorant voracity -- a wingless vulture -- can soar only into the
depths of ignominy." Patrick O'Brian
Ed Kaulakis
"DD" <d_d...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:ee406bf1.02022...@posting.google.com...
Morph or sn*hrph, don't care.
Ed "plnok" Kaulakis
Dr H
On Tue, 26 Feb 2002, Tony Sweeney wrote:
}
}Fuck off, bitch. :-|
Hah! Caught ya using an emoticon!
Dr "snuh" H
Dr H
And what about all those murders with "Wayne" for a middle name...?
Dr H
Dr H
On Mon, 25 Feb 2002, Leslie Marshall wrote:
}On Mon, 25 Feb 2002 10:42:45 -0800, Dr H <hiaw...@efn.org> wrote:
}
}>On Sat, 23 Feb 2002, Ragnar wrote:
}>}
}>}> Hi, Ragnar.
}>}>
}>}> I see you seem to be weathering the usual "afu welcome wagon" rather
}>}> well. ;-)
}>}>
}>}> Dr H
}>}
}>}I've been here for several years. Hardly a newbie.
}>
}> I knew that...
}
}Sure you did... Nobody ever puts one over on old H, do they?
Oh well, Ragnar's been known to put in an appearance in some other
groups that I hang around in. But, hey, whatever floats yer boat.
}(insert pithy oneliner follow up here)
I would, but you beat me to it. Damn.
Dr H
Hugh Gibbons
<rpo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> But "gullible" isn't.
Wouldn't it be lovely if Websters published a dictionary like that?
Donna Richoux
Well, Noah Webster did. Cross my heart and hope to die, "gullible" is
not in his 1828 American Dictionary of the English Language.
GULL
GULL
GULLCATCHER
GULLED
GULLER
GULLERY
GULLIED
GULLISH
GULLISHNESS
GULLY
GULLY
GULLYHOLE
GULOSITY
There's an on-line version, the die-hard skeptics should look for
themselves. http://www.christiantech.com/
Now I have to see if "gullible" is in the 1913 Webster's... Yes, with
the name "Burke" given as a citation, but without a full quote. A bit of
web-searching doesn't turn it up; there have been various famous Burkes.
Perhaps someone with an O.E.D. can look to see if the quote is in there?
Or other early quotes? I'll cross-post this to a.u.e to increase the
number of O.E.D. owners.
--
Donna "don't you dare tell me 'gullible' isn't in the OED" Richoux
Meredith Robbins
tr...@euronet.nl (Donna Richoux) wrote:
<snip>
> Now I have to see if "gullible" is in the 1913 Webster's... Yes, with
> the name "Burke" given as a citation, but without a full quote. A bit of
> web-searching doesn't turn it up; there have been various famous Burkes.
> Perhaps someone with an O.E.D. can look to see if the quote is in there?
> Or other early quotes? I'll cross-post this to a.u.e to increase the
> number of O.E.D. owners.
The OED offers an 1825 citation from Carlyle, an 1831 citation from
"Sart. Res.," and 1860 citation from Gen. P. Thompson, and an 1879
citation from George Eliot. For "gullibly," it cites an 1877 quotation
from Tinsley's Magazine. No Burkes in sight.
Meredith "" Robbins
--
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Bob Cunningham
>Hugh Gibbons <hgib...@x-remove-xaxs4u.net> wrote:
>> In article <7gjm7uc8n5657hoeh...@4ax.com>, Randy Poe
>> <rpo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> > But "gullible" isn't.
>> Wouldn't it be lovely if Websters published a dictionary like that?
>Well, Noah Webster did. Cross my heart and hope to die, "gullible" is
>not in his 1828 American Dictionary of the English Language.
The earliest citation of "gullible" in the online _Oxford English
Dictionary_ (_OED_) is dated 1825, so it's not surprising that it doesn't
appear in an 1828 dictionary. Noah Webster may even have been already
finished with his "G"s in 1825.
_OED_ has "gullable" ("=gullible") with a first quotation dated 1818:
1818 SCOTT Rob Roy xxiv, I am in certain things the most gullable
and malleable of mortals.
[ . . . ]
>Now I have to see if "gullible" is in the 1913 Webster's... Yes, with
>the name "Burke" given as a citation, but without a full quote. A bit of
>web-searching doesn't turn it up; there have been various famous Burkes.
>Perhaps someone with an O.E.D. can look to see if the quote is in there?
>Or other early quotes? I'll cross-post this to a.u.e to increase the
>number of O.E.D. owners.
I see no mention of Burke in the _OED_ quotations for "gullible".
Charles Riggs
>Donna "don't you dare tell me 'gullible' isn't in the OED" Richoux
I'd dare but I won't. OED:
Capable of being gulled or duped; easily cheated, befooled. Also
absol.
1825 Carlyle Schiller ii. 104 The king of quacks, the renowned
Cagliostro,+harrowing up the souls of the curious and gullible of all
ranks+by various thaumaturgic feats. 1831 I Sart. Res. (1858) 68
Gullible, however, by fit apparatus, all Publics are; and gulled, with
the most surprising profit. 1860 Gen. P. Thompson Audi Alt. III.
cxli. 121 Another fallacy+by which the gullible among the English are
to be kept in awe. 1879 Geo. Eliot Theo. Such xvii. 305 The very
fishes of our rivers, gullible as they look.
Charles Riggs
John O'Flaherty
Cool! Will I get one too? :-)
--
john
cms
wrote:
>Hugh Gibbons <hgib...@x-remove-xaxs4u.net> wrote:
>
>> In article <7gjm7uc8n5657hoeh...@4ax.com>, Randy Poe
>> <rpo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > But "gullible" isn't.
>>
>> Wouldn't it be lovely if Websters published a dictionary like that?
>
>Well, Noah Webster did. Cross my heart and hope to die, "gullible" is
>not in his 1828 American Dictionary of the English Language.
>
>
>Now I have to see if "gullible" is in the 1913 Webster's... Yes, with
>the name "Burke" given as a citation, but without a full quote. A bit of
>web-searching doesn't turn it up; there have been various famous Burkes.
>Perhaps someone with an O.E.D. can look to see if the quote is in there?
>Or other early quotes? I'll cross-post this to a.u.e to increase the
>number of O.E.D. owners.
>
I can get in online; the earliest use for "gull" in the sense of. "To
make a gull of; to dupe, cheat, befool, ‘take in’, deceive. Also absol.,
to practise cheating" is 1550:
a1550 Hye Way to Spyttel Ho. 427 in Hazl. E.P.P. IV. 45 They..do but
gull, and folow beggery, Feynyng true doyng by ypocrysy. 1593 NASHE
Christ's T. 91 Cleanly coyned eyes, which some pleasant sportiue wittes
haue deuised, to gull them most groselie. c1600 SHAKES. Sonn. lxxxvi,
That affable familiar ghost Which nightly gulls him with intelligence.
Oddly, for gullibility, earliest usage is 1795:
1793 LD. AUCKLAND Corr. (1861) II. 505 He [Dumouriez]..by favour of
the Duke of Brunswick's gullibility, gets considerable credit. 1809 N.
SLONE in Europ. Mag. Jan. 18/2 This gentleman..entertained the House
with a long descant upon the gullibility of the English nation..our
future lexicographers will be much indebted to him for sanctioning a
word so well calculated to enrich our language. 1826 SYD. SMITH Wks.
(1859) II. 86/2 He had sounded the gullibility of the world; knew the
precise current value of pretension [etc.]. 1831 CARLYLE Sart. Res.
(1858) 69 In Education, Polity, Religion,..probably Imposture is of
sanative, anodyne nature, and man's Gullibility not his worst blessing.
1874 BURNAND My Time xxxix. 442 [He] practised on the gullibility
of..undergraduates.
While for gullible itself, earliest usage is 1825:
1825 CARLYLE Schiller II. 104 The king of quacks, the renowned
Cagliostro,..harrowing up the souls of the curious and gullible of all
ranks..by various thaumaturgic feats. 1831 Sart. Res. (1858) 68
Gullible, however, by fit apparatus, all Publics are; and gulled, with
the most surprising profit. 1860 GEN. P. THOMPSON Audi Alt. III. cxli.
121 Another fallacy..by which the gullible among the English are to be
kept in awe. 1879 GEO. ELIOT Theo. Such xvii. 305 The very fishes of our
rivers, gullible as they look.
So it may be that gullible is later than gullibility, and as a fairly
new coinage in the '38 Webster's, not fit for his dic. On the other
hand, one would think that the noun form would contemporaneous with the
adjective from ---- is someone who suffers from gullibilty not gullible?
In which case the omission seems more striking, as the adjective form
had been around for more than 40 years.
But what do I know?
cms --- what do I need to know with such a big dic?
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cms wrote:
>
> On Wed, 27 Feb 2002 13:51:58 +0100, tr...@euronet.nl (Donna Richoux)
> wrote:
>
> >Hugh Gibbons <hgib...@x-remove-xaxs4u.net> wrote:
> >
> >> In article <7gjm7uc8n5657hoeh...@4ax.com>, Randy Poe
> >> <rpo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > But "gullible" isn't.
> >>
> >> Wouldn't it be lovely if Websters published a dictionary like that?
> >
> >Well, Noah Webster did. Cross my heart and hope to die, "gullible" is
> >not in his 1828 American Dictionary of the English Language.
> >
> >
> >Now I have to see if "gullible" is in the 1913 Webster's... Yes, with
> >the name "Burke" given as a citation, but without a full quote. A bit of
> >web-searching doesn't turn it up; there have been various famous Burkes.
> >Perhaps someone with an O.E.D. can look to see if the quote is in there?
> >Or other early quotes? I'll cross-post this to a.u.e to increase the
> >number of O.E.D. owners.
> >
[...]
> Oddly, for gullibility, earliest usage is 1795:
[...]
> While for gullible itself, earliest usage is 1825:
[...]
>
> So it may be that gullible is later than gullibility, and as a fairly
> new coinage in the '38 Webster's, not fit for his dic. On the other
> hand, one would think that the noun form would contemporaneous with the
> adjective from ---- is someone who suffers from gullibilty not gullible?
You'd think, but if you look at the etymology for "gullibility" in the
OED, it says "App. an alteration of CULLIBILITY, after GULL v.3".
"Cullibility" dates back to 1728 (Swift), and ultimately derives from
"cull" (meaning a "dupe"), with "cullible" as an intermediate form (even
though no citations for "cullible" from before 1728 have been found).
So the historical order apparently goes:
cull > cullible > cullibility > gullibility > gullible
I'm thinking that the "Burke" in the 1913 Webster's might actually refer
to the form "gullibility", since the entry reads: "(Gul"li*ble) a.
Easily gulled; that may be duped. — Gul"li*bii`i*ty n. Burke." That
would make sense for Edmund Burke, who was writing in the late 18th
century when writers were using "gullibility" but not "gullible".
--Ben