"Bee Movie" can't fly?
user3247
graphic telling how human scientists cannot figure out how it is physically
possible for bees to fly. The same legend is also mentioned by the main
character later in the movie. I've always heard this about bumblebees in
particular, but this movie is specifically about honey bees.
Keith Willis
Not much to add, except that I found this splendid article debunking
the whole thing, with some 'kewl gfx' at:
http://www.news.cornell.edu/releases/March00/APS_Wang.hrs.html
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Pete Wilcox
Easily googled: Here ya go -
http://www.sciencenews.org/articles/20040911/mathtrek.asp
Turns out the reports have been greatly exaggerated, and the initial "back
of the envelope" calculations did not take into account things such as
turbulance at the trailing edge of the wings, which tends to assist lift
in this case.
Cheers,
Pete.
R H Draney
Thass okay...in the beginning of "Cannibal Women in the Avocado Jungle of
Death", there's a map of the southern half of California showing the avocado
"jungle" as more or less coterminous with the Mojave Desert....
R H "Bill Maher, leading man?" Draney
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Lizz Holmans
wrote:
>Thass okay...in the beginning of "Cannibal Women in the Avocado Jungle of
>Death", there's a map of the southern half of California showing the avocado
>"jungle" as more or less coterminous with the Mojave Desert....
I'm still looking for the Grand Teton Mountains out there near
Ardmore. Hell, they were in a John Wayne movie, and he wouldn't have
told fibs, would he?
Lizz 'went to the Tate Briton the other day and Andy Griffith wasn't
there, either' Holmans
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> user3247 filted:
>
>
>
> >I was dragged to see "Bee Movie" by my daughter and it starts with a
> >graphic telling how human scientists cannot figure out how it is physically
> >possible for bees to fly. The same legend is also mentioned by the main
> >character later in the movie. I've always heard this about bumblebees in
> >particular, but this movie is specifically about honey bees.
>
> Thass okay...in the beginning of "Cannibal Women in the Avocado Jungle of
> Death", there's a map of the southern half of California showing the avocado
> "jungle" as more or less coterminous with the Mojave Desert....
Well, B movies aren't known for their accuracy, are they?
R H Draney
>
>Try the movie "Oklahoma!" which was filmed in Arizona south of
>here in the Canelo Valley, with mountains in the background.
>
>But what the hell. Happens all the time. The old classic "My
>Darling Clementine" is set in Tombstone but filmed in Monument
>Valley, which really grates on us Arizonans.
That, and showing saguaros growing anywhere but in Arizona or Sonora...my
stepfather used to point them out in movies taking place elsewhere by shouting
"tip of the Baja!" after one 4WD truck commercial depicted them there....
The geological formation known as "Vasquez Rocks" near Acton, California have
been spotted in Texas, the Dakota Territory, North Africa, the Himalayas, and on
an unknown number of fictional planets....
(Going back a bit further, Donizetti set some of the action in his opera "Emilia
di Liverpool" in the mountains surrounding that English city)....r
Jared
>
> Easily googled: Here ya go -http://www.sciencenews.org/articles/20040911/mathtrek.asp
>
> Turns out the reports have been greatly exaggerated, and the initial "back
> of the envelope" calculations did not take into account things such as
> turbulance at the trailing edge of the wings, which tends to assist lift
> in this case.
I went to a lecture ten years or so ago by a team investigating bee
flight (I suspect bumble bees are used as an example because they seem
a particularly lumbering and unaerodynamic case). If I remember
correctly they had got far enough with the theory that they had a
workable model of actual bumble bee flight - the only flaw was that
the bee would have to eat the equivalent of a Mars Bar every minute to
stay in the air.
Jared "theory discarded because Mars Bars are obviously too chewy to
eat that fast" Head
danny burstein
>I went to a lecture ten years or so ago by a team investigating bee
>flight (I suspect bumble bees are used as an example because they seem
>a particularly lumbering and unaerodynamic case). If I remember
>correctly they had got far enough with the theory that they had a
>workable model of actual bumble bee flight - the only flaw was that
>the bee would have to eat the equivalent of a Mars Bar every minute to
>stay in the air.
Paging Marianne Faithfull
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Ray
The UL I recall from my childhood was that some eminent scientist had
proclaimed that it was *impossible* for bees to fly. Claiming that
scientists can't figure it out is less of a stretch.
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Ken
wrote:
My memory is that an eminent person used the aerodynamic knowledge of
his day to calculate the glide characteristics of a bumble bee &
concluded that it couldn't glide. This became couldn't fly. I
understand the modern day computations take into account the complex
wing movements & the lift created by the vortices generated.
Louise Bremner
As an Aeronautical Engineering student many many moons ago, I attended a
lecture on flying that was illustrated by some fascinating slow-motion
footage of various insects in flight, which had been taken long before
then. The lecturer commented with some irritation on that UL and said
that the then-current methods of analyzing flight could only cope with
fixed wings. As he pointed out, the wings of the bumblebee on the screen
were clearly not fixed---they were flipping over in a fascinating
figure-of-eight motion within each stroke so the bee was getting at
least some lift from them on the upstroke as well as the downstroke.
So although "scientists" (including Aero Engineers, presumably) were
well aware at the time of _how_ bumblebees flew, from viewing such
films, it wasn't yet possible to _analyze_ that motion.
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Barbara Bailey
And adding to the complexities, as I recall, "Bumblebees can't fly"
according to the lift and thrust equations as they were known for
fixed wing aircraft technology of the period.
David Winsemius
news:rnsgj3pcv5dou84cp...@4ax.com:
Tres kewl. I liked:
"Rapid oscillations pose one of the most difficult questions for fluid
dynamics," Wang said. "Things become very messy."
and...
"Ever since she heard it, the bumblebee myth has bothered Wang the way
yellowjackets pester picnickers, and she has tried to trace its
historical source.
" "The rumor probably started in the 1930s with students of the noted
aerodynamicist Ludwig Prandtl at Gottingen," she said. "That was a time
when we were just beginning to think we understood aerodynamic
principles, as applied to fixed-wing aircraft, but scientists recognized
their limitations in applying the principles to the birds and insects and
other creatures in the natural world. "
--
David "winging it" Winsemius
R H Draney
Silly scientists!...bees can't fly because they're distracted, trying to figure
out what would keep a duck's quack from echoing....r
Dr H
On Mon, 12 Nov 2007, Lizz Holmans wondrously revealed:
}On 12 Nov 2007 08:43:15 -0800, R H Draney <dado...@spamcop.net>
}wrote:
}
}>Thass okay...in the beginning of "Cannibal Women in the Avocado Jungle of
}>Death", there's a map of the southern half of California showing the avocado
}>"jungle" as more or less coterminous with the Mojave Desert....
}
}I'm still looking for the Grand Teton Mountains out there near
}Ardmore. Hell, they were in a John Wayne movie, and he wouldn't have
}told fibs, would he?
Brings to mind some of the gaffs I've seen on maps in recent years.
Apparently a lot of map publishers are contracting out 'somewhere'
and not bothering to check their accuracy with pre-existing local
maps or surveys.
Five or six years ago I picked up a map of the city I live in, to replace
the tattered 20-old version I'd had forever. I was surprised to find a
two-mile long lake within blocks of my house, where for as long as I've
lived here there has been a grassy park (and no lake; not even a pond).
A little reearch revealed that there had /never/ been a lake on that spot,
though there had been a hill that was leveled when the park was put in
40 or so years ago.
Of course that just covers human history. It's possible that there may
have been a lake there in geological history, I suppose...
Has anyone else heard the story that Rand-McNally left out one of the
50 states in the annual edition of one of their road atlases? I've not
looked into that one, though I've heard it a couple of times, always
with a different state identified as missing (most recently, Oklahoma).
Dr H
Ray
> Or it may be one of those legendary copyright traps...
>
> Many years ago I discovered that my map of Ohio showed a small
> community in my county which, since I have no recollection of the
> name, I'll call "Smallville". Since it was supposedly at a place
> and on a road that I used from time to time and I had no
> recollection of it I set out to find it. It simply didn't exist.
> There was nothing but some farms there, not even a crossroad. No
> evidence that such a community had ever existed; you can usually
> find at least an old cemetery for a vanished ghost town. I have
> ever since assumed it was a copyright trap.
A coworker of a friend of mine was once sent out to do a live shot for
a news show. He was talking to someone at the station who was guiding
him via a city map. When instructed to turn left on X street, he
replied that there was no such street at the location indicated.
Presumably it was another trap.
Years ago one of the local traffic reporting outfits suspected their
information was being stolen by a competitor. So one morning they
reported that a certain street was closed due to a fire. Sure enough,
not long after the competitor reported the same thing. Unfortunately I
can't remember if it was the street name that was made up, or just the
fact of its being closed.
Ralph Jones
wrote:
[snip]
>
>Years ago one of the local traffic reporting outfits suspected their
>information was being stolen by a competitor. So one morning they
>reported that a certain street was closed due to a fire. Sure enough,
>not long after the competitor reported the same thing. Unfortunately I
>can't remember if it was the street name that was made up, or just the
>fact of its being closed.
I remember the same sting being run in Dayton OH when I was stationed
there, circa 1966. I don't think any of the stations there were using
helicopters at the time, but a couple of them had Cessnas for the
traffic-reporting role and another was merely pretending to. Station
A's "Eye In The Sky" announced an imaginary accident blocking a
street, then announced a few minutes later that Station B had poached
it.
Of course, nobody listening to Station B heard the revelation, so its
impact was a bit limited.
rj
Charles Wm. Dimmick
> Many years ago I discovered that my map of Ohio showed a small
> community in my county which, since I have no recollection of the
> name, I'll call "Smallville". Since it was supposedly at a place
> and on a road that I used from time to time and I had no
> recollection of it I set out to find it. It simply didn't exist.
> There was nothing but some farms there, not even a crossroad. No
> evidence that such a community had ever existed; you can usually
> find at least an old cemetery for a vanished ghost town. I have
> ever since assumed it was a copyright trap.
>
If one looks at the Geological Map of Connecticut and looks
closely near the very center of the map, in the northwest
corner of the Town of Meriden, one will see a Black Dog.
David DeLaney
>Five or six years ago I picked up a map of the city I live in, to replace
>the tattered 20-old version I'd had forever. I was surprised to find a
>two-mile long lake within blocks of my house, where for as long as I've
>lived here there has been a grassy park (and no lake; not even a pond).
>A little reearch revealed that there had /never/ been a lake on that spot,
>though there had been a hill that was leveled when the park was put in
>40 or so years ago.
>
>Of course that just covers human history. It's possible that there may
>have been a lake there in geological history, I suppose...
>
>Has anyone else heard the story that Rand-McNally left out one of the
>50 states in the annual edition of one of their road atlases? I've not
>looked into that one, though I've heard it a couple of times, always
>with a different state identified as missing (most recently, Oklahoma).
And The Onion has just last week or so released its version of a world
atlas, Our Dumb World, and I'm just waiting for the first recorded case of
someone Not Getting The Joke and trying to navigate accordingly.
Dave "banana boat" DeLaney
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Thomas Prufer
wrote:
>If one looks at the Geological Map of Connecticut and looks
>closely near the very center of the map, in the northwest
>corner of the Town of Meriden, one will see a Black Dog.
If you look here
<http://www.flashearth.com/?lat=50.010611&lon=-110.113422&z=16.2&r=0&src=ggl>,
(which is a flashearth link to an aerial photo of the location 50° 0' 38.1'' N
110° 6' 48.3'' W in the googlesomething database) you will see an Indian
wearing an Ipod...
Thomas Prufer
David Scheidt
:> Many years ago I discovered that my map of Ohio showed a small
:> community in my county which, since I have no recollection of the
:> name, I'll call "Smallville". Since it was supposedly at a place
:> and on a road that I used from time to time and I had no
:> recollection of it I set out to find it. It simply didn't exist.
:> There was nothing but some farms there, not even a crossroad. No
:> evidence that such a community had ever existed; you can usually
:> find at least an old cemetery for a vanished ghost town. I have
:> ever since assumed it was a copyright trap.
:>
A few years ago, my local fishwrapper had a story about the new "official" map of
Indiana, published by some state agency. They'd looked at it, and
found several towns they'd never heard of, in the two counties that
are their circulation area. They went to the places in question, and
they people there hadn't ever heard of them either. In one case, they
found an old guy who said "That used to be the name of the Standard
station" or something like that.
Carl Benton
>Bings to mind some of the gaffs I've seen on maps in recent years.
>Apparently a lot of map publishers are contracting out 'somewhere'
>and not bothering to check their accuracy with pre-existing local
>maps or surveys.
>
I've been told that map publishers will delibritly make mistakes on
maps, so that if they need to prove copyright violations in court,
they can point to the mistake on the competitors map.
"See, their map has the same mistake, it must have been copied from
ours, judge".
Bob Tenney
>
>>}
>
> Many years ago I discovered that my map of Ohio showed a small community
> in my county which, since I have no recollection of the name, I'll call
> "Smallville". Since it was supposedly at a place and on a road that I
> used from time to time and I had no recollection of it I set out to
> find it. It simply didn't exist. There was nothing but some farms there,
> not even a crossroad. No evidence that such a community had ever
> existed; you can usually find at least an old cemetery for a vanished
> ghost town. I have ever since assumed it was a copyright trap.
Some of these place names without places were once the site of long-
vanished rural post offices.
Hatunen
Gee. I wouldn't have thought of that.
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Pete Wilcox
On Wed, 14 Nov 2007, Hatunen wrote:
> Gee. I wouldn't have thought of that.
>
Cynic. Aksherly, I think that wotz Dave is tryin' to say is that you
should've googled for this first, before responding. Then, it would have
become clear that this has already been discussed...
Pete "Always check the FAQ" Wilcox
R H Draney
Or you could get a newsreader that doesn't hide Hatunen's sig file....r
JoAnne Schmitz
I used to get my mail delivered to "Texas MD" (ob TWIAVBP: MD == Maryland).
This was the name of the train stop that was closest to my place of
residence. Trains didn't drop off mail there any more, but so what.
The post office then decided that wasn't okay. They informed everyone that
you could choose one of the following:
Cockeysville MD
Hunt Valley MD
Cockeysville/Hunt Valley MD [1]
Mail still showed up so long as the ZIP code was correct.
JoAnne "RIP McDermott's" Schmitz
[1] I'm sure I wanted to write all that in the return address spot of every
letter I send.
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>Cockeysville MD
>Hunt Valley MD
>Cockeysville/Hunt Valley MD [1]
>
>Mail still showed up so long as the ZIP code was correct.
>
>JoAnne "RIP McDermott's" Schmitz
>
>[1] I'm sure I wanted to write all that in the return address spot of every
>letter I send.
For quite some time now, I've left the "Knoxville TN" piece out of my return
address, since the ZIP+4 I use in it focusses it right down to the apartment
building I live in. (And I make sure to make that legible.) Name, street
address, ZIP+4, Mr. Church is my paternal sibling...
Dave
R H Draney
>
>For quite some time now, I've left the "Knoxville TN" piece out of my return
>address, since the ZIP+4 I use in it focusses it right down to the apartment
>building I live in. (And I make sure to make that legible.) Name, street
>address, ZIP+4, Mr. Church is my paternal sibling...
That's very nice for you, but there's something to be said for redundancy...all
you need is for someone sending something to you to make a four that looks like
a nine, or for the envelope to pick up a couple of raindrops on the way to the
mailbox, and your important birthday card is winging its way to Winnemucca....r
Dr H
On Wed, 14 Nov 2007, Hatunen wondrously revealed:
}On Wed, 14 Nov 2007 14:24:25 +0000, Carl Benton
}<cbent...@cox.net> wrote:
}
}>On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 13:42:24 -0800, Dr H <hiaw...@efn.org> wrote:
}>
}>>Bings to mind some of the gaffs I've seen on maps in recent years.
}>>Apparently a lot of map publishers are contracting out 'somewhere'
}>>and not bothering to check their accuracy with pre-existing local
}>>maps or surveys.
}>>
}> I've been told that map publishers will delibritly make mistakes on
}>maps, so that if they need to prove copyright violations in court,
}>they can point to the mistake on the competitors map.
}>"See, their map has the same mistake, it must have been copied from
}>ours, judge".
}
}Gee. I wouldn't have thought of that.
Me neither.
The inclusion of a lake of significant size where no lake has never
been, in the midst of a town of some 160,000 inhabitants strikes
me as something other than a copyright trap. On a state level most
people wouldn't bat an eye, but this was a street map, designed for
local use.
Dr "wishful thinking, perhaps?" H
Dr H
On Wed, 14 Nov 2007, Pete Wilcox wondrously revealed:
}
}On Wed, 14 Nov 2007, Hatunen wrote:
}
}> Gee. I wouldn't have thought of that.
}>
}Cynic. Aksherly, I think that wotz Dave is tryin' to say is that you should've
}googled for this first, before responding. Then, it would have become clear
}that this has already been discussed...
And lord knows, since we are certain that everyone in the world has
already discussed it, we certainly wouldn't want to bring it up again.
Dr H
Hatunen
wrote:
>
The point I was making was that it had already been brought up in
this very thread.
rwalker
"JoAnne Schmitz" <jsch...@qis.net> wrote in message
news:7bvoj3lisj22pq7be...@4ax.com...
snip
> I used to get my mail delivered to "Texas MD" (ob TWIAVBP: MD ==
> Maryland).
> This was the name of the train stop that was closest to my place of
> residence. Trains didn't drop off mail there any more, but so what.
>
I wonder how far that is from Arkansas, West Virginia? I had ancestors from
there.
Ralph Jones
wrote:
>David DeLaney filted:
>>
>>For quite some time now, I've left the "Knoxville TN" piece out of my return
>>address, since the ZIP+4 I use in it focusses it right down to the apartment
>>building I live in. (And I make sure to make that legible.) Name, street
>>address, ZIP+4, Mr. Church is my paternal sibling...
>
>That's very nice for you, but there's something to be said for redundancy...all
>you need is for someone sending something to you to make a four that looks like
>a nine, or for the envelope to pick up a couple of raindrops on the way to the
>mailbox, and your important birthday card is winging its way to Winnemucca....r
Ah yes, Winnemucca...possibly the best T-shirt inscriptions in the
country:
WINNEMUCCA
City of Paved Streets
WINNEMUCCA
No haunted houses, no dolphin shows, no mimes
WINNEMUCCA
Striding confidently into the 20th Century
WINNEMUCCA
The wagon broke, so we stayed
WINNEMUCCA
Our name says it all
rj
R H Draney
>
>Ah yes, Winnemucca...possibly the best T-shirt inscriptions in the
>country:
>
>WINNEMUCCA
>City of Paved Streets
>
>WINNEMUCCA
>No haunted houses, no dolphin shows, no mimes
>
>WINNEMUCCA
>Striding confidently into the 20th Century
>
>WINNEMUCCA
>The wagon broke, so we stayed
>
>WINNEMUCCA
>Our name says it all
I've been thinking of putting out a shirt with the legend "Winnemucca Yacht
Club"....r
R H Draney
>> Maryland).
>
>there.
I was really tickled to have inspired this:
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.puzzles/msg/9295d0872b5be092
Another part of the same original conversation revealed that the only states
containing "populated places" with the same name as the state are Wyoming,
Maine, and New York....r
R H Draney
>
> The inclusion of a lake of significant size where no lake has never
> been, in the midst of a town of some 160,000 inhabitants strikes
> me as something other than a copyright trap. On a state level most
> people wouldn't bat an eye, but this was a street map, designed for
> local use.
Played much with Google Earth?...you'll love what happens when you view the
Orange County Reservoir in southern California from any perspective other than
directly above....
R H "beats those vertical golf courses in Pittsburgh, I'd say" Draney
Keith Willis
wrote:
>Played much with Google Earth?...you'll love what happens when you view the
>Orange County Reservoir in southern California from any perspective other than
>directly above....
Tres kewl!
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Lon Stowell
> On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 17:39:27 +0000, Lizz Holmans
> <di...@jackalope.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> On 12 Nov 2007 08:43:15 -0800, R H Draney <dado...@spamcop.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Thass okay...in the beginning of "Cannibal Women in the Avocado Jungle of
>>> Death", there's a map of the southern half of California showing the avocado
>>> "jungle" as more or less coterminous with the Mojave Desert....
>> I'm still looking for the Grand Teton Mountains out there near
>> Ardmore. Hell, they were in a John Wayne movie, and he wouldn't have
>> told fibs, would he?
>
> here in the Canelo Valley, with mountains in the background.
>
> But what the hell. Happens all the time. The old classic "My
> Darling Clementine" is set in Tombstone but filmed in Monument
> Valley, which really grates on us Arizonans.
>
Is that the Utah Monument Valley or the Arizona Monument Valley?
Hatunen
Only one Monument Valley; it sort of straddles the state line,
but most of Monument Valley is in Utah.
Marco McClean
>
> My memory is that an eminent person used the aerodynamic knowledge of
> his day to calculate the glide characteristics of a bumble bee &
> concluded that it couldn't glide.
In the movie /Serenity/, in the aerial battle near the end, Serenity's
engines and controls are nearly disabled by an electromagnetic pulse and
the ship begins to fall out of the sky. It's a space-freighter shaped a
lot like a firefly (or a bee), with very short wings with swiveling jet
engines on the ends of them (just like a bee, if you look closely)
--it's bulky and not aerodynamic at all. Zoey says, "Backup reads twenty
percent. Can you get us down?" Wash, the pilot, says, "Gonna hafta glide
'er in." Zoey says, "Can you /do/ that?" It doesn't seem possible, but
he does it.
AZ Nomad
What has a hollywood movie to do with aerodynamics or reality?
greymaus
Things are different there, people can outrun blast waves, fall
without injury, etc. Wunnerful place.
--
greymaus
Just Another Grumpy Old Man
Marco McClean
>
> What has a hollywood movie to do with aerodynamics or reality?
Well, one, this thread began with the mention of something stated in a
movie, didn't it, and two, a movie has at least as much to do with
aerodynamics and reality as the often repeated urban legend that science
agrees that bees require supernatural help to fly.
Also a friend of mine was killed by a bee. I realize that bees are
required for the pollination of crops and that if you make them out of
terrycloth they're cute but I never liked them much. They're mindless
hive creatures. Their poetry is monotonous and their dance is a tropism.
I prefer cats.
John Burnham
> Also a friend of mine was killed by a bee. I realize that bees are
> required for the pollination of crops and that if you make them out of
> terrycloth they're cute but I never liked them much. They're mindless
> hive creatures. Their poetry is monotonous and their dance is a tropism.
> I prefer cats.
I do too, but they're not much use at crop pollination. Try persuading a
cat to flit from fruit tree to fruit tree, spreading pollen.
J
TMOliver
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off) when he's treed a squirrel, nor are they easily adapted to moving the
squirrel on the same side of the tree as the hunter and his gun.
As for feral hawgs, wild boar and bears, you're simply "S.O.O.L." (Shit out
of luck!) hunting with a pack of cats, most likely to desert you to get runt
over or et as the case (or the critter may be).
On second thought, there are few more viscous creatures than feral cats
which seem to adapt as quickly to the wild as do strayed swine. While pigs
change dramatically in appearance in the second generation, cats may
continue to look the same, but their predatory instincts make the survivors
efficient killing machines. A male feral will kill the kittens fathered by
another male as quickly as a lion will get rid of the offspring of a
previous consort of a lioness which he fancies.
Of course, they don't pull down many deer (but play havoc among nesting
quail).
TM "If no coyotes present themselves, shoot the cats." Oliver
R H Draney
>
>I do too, but they're not much use at crop pollination. Try persuading a
>cat to flit from fruit tree to fruit tree, spreading pollen.
There's a mental image that shall haunt my dreams for a while....r
Keith F. Lynch
> "JoAnne Schmitz" <jsch...@qis.net> wrote:
>> I used to get my mail delivered to "Texas MD" (ob TWIAVBP: MD ==
>> Maryland).
> I wonder how far that is from Arkansas, West Virginia? I had
> ancestors from there.
It's probably closer to there than it is to Ontario, California, or to
Virginia City, Nevada. But it's pretty close to Washington, DC.
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> ... (I suspect bumble bees are used as an example because they seem
> a particularly lumbering and unaerodynamic case).
Annual cicadas look even less able to fly.
Reunite Gondwanaland (Mary Shafer)
wrote:
> rwalker <rwa...@despammed.com> wrote:
> > "JoAnne Schmitz" <jsch...@qis.net> wrote:
> >> I used to get my mail delivered to "Texas MD" (ob TWIAVBP: MD ==
> >> Maryland).
>
> > I wonder how far that is from Arkansas, West Virginia? I had
> > ancestors from there.
>
> It's probably closer to there than it is to Ontario, California, or to
> Virginia City, Nevada. But it's pretty close to Washington, DC.
I suspect it's even closer to California, MD.
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TeaLady (Mari C.)
Chase one with a vacuum cleaner - even a dog might "fly" from
tree to tree to get away from the horrid monster, inadverdantly
pollinating as it goes.
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Richard Casady
<spres...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> I do too, but they're not much use at crop pollination. Try
>> persuading a cat to flit from fruit tree to fruit tree,
>> spreading pollen.
Try persuading a cat to do anything.
There were cats in North America when the white men arrived, but no
bees. They do call them European honeybees. Of course the apple tree
is also an import, and I believe, citrus trees as well. Maybe the
native cats pollinated the native fruit trees. My cat climbs fruit
trees, although it is of the imported kind, as are the trees.
Casady
Richard Casady
<spres...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> I do too, but they're not much use at crop pollination. Try
>> persuading a cat to flit from fruit tree to fruit tree,
>> spreading pollen.
Try persuading a cat to do anything.
David DeLaney
>"TeaLady (Mari C.)" <spres...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> I do too, but they're not much use at crop pollination. Try
>>> persuading a cat to flit from fruit tree to fruit tree,
>>> spreading pollen.
>
>Try persuading a cat to do anything.
It's not that hard to do, actually - there just has to be food involved, or
something the cat really wants.
>My cat climbs fruit
>trees, although it is of the imported kind, as are the trees.
Does he/she come back down again, when you do call him/her?
Dave "my cat apparently really wanted to do my paper route with me, lo these
many years ago" DeLaney
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AZ Nomad
>On 5 Jan 2008 02:25:05 GMT, "TeaLady (Mari C.)"
><spres...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> I do too, but they're not much use at crop pollination. Try
>>> persuading a cat to flit from fruit tree to fruit tree,
>>> spreading pollen.
>Try persuading a cat to do anything.
You just don't know how to reach them.
"Don't come over to me!"
"Just sit there!"
"Lick yourself!"
"Run over here when I open the tin of cat food!"
R H Draney
>
>You just don't know how to reach them.
>
>"Don't come over to me!"
>"Just sit there!"
>"Lick yourself!"
>"Run over here when I open the tin of cat food!"
"Ignore my hand!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5dry-bIQQc
....r
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greymaus
> AZ Nomad filted:
>>
>>On Mon, 07 Jan 2008 06:37:32 GMT, Richard Casady <richar...@earthlink.net>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>Try persuading a cat to do anything.
>>
>>You just don't know how to reach them.
>>
>>"Don't come over to me!"
>>"Just sit there!"
>>"Lick yourself!"
>>"Run over here when I open the tin of cat food!"
>
> "Ignore my hand!"
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5dry-bIQQc
>
> ....r
>
>
I would recommend that you get the kitten to the vet, something about
her reminds me of the time ours got a dose.