Re: Starving people refuse to eat food aid
Robert Carnegie: Fnord: cc talk-origins@moderators.isc.org
Hatunen wrote:
> On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 12:45:08 -0800 (PST), cryptoguy
> <treif...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Nov 19, 3:42�pm, Warren Oates <warren.oa...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> In article <drache-48CA2F.19341718112...@nothing.attdns.com>,
> >>
> >> �erilar <dra...@chibardun.net.invalid> wrote:
> >> > "It Happened One Night" �is far far better than the general run of color
> >> > comedies.
> >>
> >> Certainly.
> >>
> >> My Darling Clementine
> >> Casablanca
> >> The Treasure of the Sierra Madre
> >> The Bicycle Thief
> >> Stagecoach
> >> The Maltese Falcon
> >> Kind Hearts and Coronets
> >>
> >> ... and so on
> >>
> >> (of course, there's always pretentious foolishness like The Last Picture
> >> Show or The Man Who Wasn't There)
> >
> >I wonder how he feels about "Pleasantville", which I thought one of
> >the best pictures of that year. (and meets ObSF requirements to boot).
>
> weelllllll....
>
> It's not really a B&W movie....
Have we had _The Wizard of Oz_ ?
cryptoguy
Monochrome, yes, but not B&W, in any part, originally.
The original 1939 prints of TWoO had the Kansas scenes in sepiatone,
on color film (they were shot B&W, but printed color). Many of the
later prints used plain B&W, presumably to save money. More recently,
in the last 20 years or so, as movies started to get remastered and
went digital, the sepiatone scenes have been restored.
If you watch an old print, look for the scene after the farmhouse
lands. Dorothy gets off the bed and goes out the door. There's a cut
to a short shot from the other side; she approaches and passes the
camera on her way to the outside door.
The next shot, you see the door. then Dorothy from the back for a
second before she opens it. This is the first full color scene, but
its carefully lit so the interior still looks sepiatone - you can
catch some color off her blue dress.
In the cheap prints, the transition from B&W to the sepia shot of her
about to open the door is very noticeable.
pt
Hatunen
cc talk-o...@moderators.isc.or�g <rja.ca...@excite.com>
wrote:
>
>
>Hatunen wrote:
>> On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 12:45:08 -0800 (PST), cryptoguy
>> <treif...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On Nov 19, 3:42?pm, Warren Oates <warren.oa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> In article <drache-48CA2F.19341718112...@nothing.attdns.com>,
>> >>
>> >> ?erilar <dra...@chibardun.net.invalid> wrote:
>> >> > "It Happened One Night" ?is far far better than the general run of color
>> >> > comedies.
>> >>
>> >> Certainly.
>> >>
>> >> My Darling Clementine
>> >> Casablanca
>> >> The Treasure of the Sierra Madre
>> >> The Bicycle Thief
>> >> Stagecoach
>> >> The Maltese Falcon
>> >> Kind Hearts and Coronets
>> >>
>> >> ... and so on
>> >>
>> >> (of course, there's always pretentious foolishness like The Last Picture
>> >> Show or The Man Who Wasn't There)
>> >
>> >I wonder how he feels about "Pleasantville", which I thought one of
>> >the best pictures of that year. (and meets ObSF requirements to boot).
>>
>> weelllllll....
>>
>> It's not really a B&W movie....
>
>Have we had _The Wizard of Oz_ ?
That's in color. Even Kansas is in color. A monochrome sort of
yellowish brown, But in color nevertheless.
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cryptoguy
> On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 04:56:15 -0800 (PST), Robert Carnegie: Fnord:
As I described else-thread, the Kansas scenes were shot in B&W, but
printed onto color film with a sepiatone tint, evocative of old
photos. When Dorothy approaches the house's door, which she will open
to reveal OZ, that is the first color shot. However, the interior of
the house is lit in a flat yellow-brown, to match (sort of) the
sepiatone Kansas scenes.
Many prints, made after 1939 but before the advent of 'remastering'
and the digital revolutin, use B&W film for the Kansas scenes, without
tinting.
pt
Hatunen
Yeah. I caught that after I posted.
I lived in Kansas for three years in the early 1980s and enjoyed
pointing out to my fellow Kansans that in "Wizard of Oz" Kansas
was appropriately in black and white.
Robert Carnegie
Well, in the book, everything's grey. Hmm. Crops shouldn't be grey?
Maybe I need to check.
<http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Wonderful_Wizard_of_Oz/Chapter_1>
No crops; livestock.