"Fairy Tale"
David Wolfe
Douglas MacGowan wrote in message <34633E...@sirius.com>...
>What is the alt.folklore reaction to this movie? I thought it was nice
>to see a non-Disneyfied version of Faeries, where they weren't
>necessarily all cute and good.
I saw "A Midsummer's Night Dream" right before seeing "Fair Tale", so I have
had quite a bit of "not cute and good" fairies. I think in European
folk-lore fairies are never all good. They have a dark side which includes
stealing babies and trapping children in Fairy land.
What I wondered about was how accurate the historical side of the movie was.
Were Houdini and Doyle really involved in fairy hunts? The book and pictures
of the fairies looked familiar.
-DaveW
Richard Brandt
David Wolfe wrote:
> What I wondered about was how accurate the historical side of the movie was.
> Were Houdini and Doyle really involved in fairy hunts? The book and pictures
> of the fairies looked familiar.
I don't recall Houdini, the James Randi of his day, being involved, but
Doyle was enthusiastically taken in by the whole thing. I've seen the
pictures, and they're obvious trolls. One dupe made a great deal of a
fairy "piper" and extolling the realism of the photograph because the
camera "caught" the player moving his pipe--hey, he says, look, you can
see it twice in the same shot. Uh yeah that's because it's a picture of
a "fairy" with two pipes in his mouth. How odd that there is no blurring
in
the photo or any sign that the fairy has otherwise moved--if there's two
exposures on the pipe, why not two on him, or any other figure in the
photo?
They also looked like either dolls or paper cutouts to me. But then I
haven't seen any fairies in real life, myself.
Richard "Nope, not me" Brandt
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Christine Daae
On Fri, 7 Nov 1997 14:49:52 -0800, "David Wolfe" <wo...@informix.com>
wrote:
>What I wondered about was how accurate the historical side of the movie was.
>Were Houdini and Doyle really involved in fairy hunts? The book and pictures
>of the fairies looked familiar.
I'm pretty sure Doyle was, yes.
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In article <640629$g...@news.informix.com>,
"David Wolfe" <wo...@informix.com> wrote:
> Were Houdini and Doyle really involved in fairy hunts?
Yep. Doyle believed in most of the mysticism that was current at
the time (fairies, seances, etc.) and Houdini didn't. Any biography
(even those written for children) of either of them should mention it.
> The book and pictures
> of the fairies looked familiar.
I haven't seen the film you're referring to.
Simon.
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Judy Johnson
>What I wondered about was how accurate the historical side of the movie was.
>Were Houdini and Doyle really involved in fairy hunts? The book and pictures
>of the fairies looked familiar.
Haven't seen the movie yet, but it definitely is based on a "true"
incident which included Doyle. James Randi discusses it in
*Flim-Flam: Psychics, ESP, Unicorns and other Delusions* [ISBN
0-87975-198-3]. Couldn't find any mention of Houdini weighing in on
it, but he was known to be an active debunker of spiritualists, even
though he was considered a friend of Doyle's. Doyle wrote a book *The
Coming of the Fairies*, which argued for the authenticity of photos.
The upshot was that one of the girls had worked at a photography lab,
the other in a greeting card factory. Together they produced fairy
cutouts and superimposed them on photos taken of themselves in the
woods. Both 'girls' all but admitted to the deceit in interviews in
the 1970s.
Judy "where have all the fairies gone" Johnson
David Martin
Judy Johnson wrote:
>
> On Fri, 7 Nov 1997 14:49:52 -0800, "David Wolfe" <wo...@informix.com>
> wrote:
>
> >What I wondered about was how accurate the historical side of the movie was.
> >Were Houdini and Doyle really involved in fairy hunts? The book and pictures
> >of the fairies looked familiar.
>
> Haven't seen the movie yet, but it definitely is based on a "true"
> incident which included Doyle. James Randi discusses it in
> *Flim-Flam: Psychics, ESP, Unicorns and other Delusions* [ISBN
> 0-87975-198-3].
> The upshot was that one of the girls had worked at a photography lab,
> the other in a greeting card factory. Together they produced fairy
> cutouts and superimposed them on photos taken of themselves in the
> woods. Both 'girls' all but admitted to the deceit in interviews in
> the 1970s.
This is an important difference from the movie version. In the movie
a key factor in favor of the authenticity of the pictures is that
they were taken by innocent school children, untrained in the ways of
photography. The father of one child was a photographer, but all he
did was supply the camera and develop the pictures. He wasn't in one
the scam.
How old were the girls when they took the pictures?
David "I'm only allowed to go to "G" movies" Martin
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>Douglas MacGowan wrote in message <34633E...@sirius.com>...
>>What is the alt.folklore reaction to this movie? I thought it was nice
>>to see a non-Disneyfied version of Faeries, where they weren't
>>necessarily all cute and good.
>
>I saw "A Midsummer's Night Dream" right before seeing "Fair Tale", so I have
>had quite a bit of "not cute and good" fairies. I think in European
>folk-lore fairies are never all good. They have a dark side which includes
>stealing babies and trapping children in Fairy land.
>
>What I wondered about was how accurate the historical side of the movie was.
>Were Houdini and Doyle really involved in fairy hunts? The book and pictures
>of the fairies looked familiar.
>
>-DaveW
>
>
>
>
There is a good write-up about the event portrayed in this movie in
the book "Flim-Flam" by James (the Amazing) Randi. My brother just
called me to tell me what the movie was about, and the first thing he
said was, "I have to borrow that book, so my girlfriend can read it!"
Obviously, Randi takes the skeptical point of view, and the cheery,
happy kids movie takes the believer point of view.
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Pat O'Halloran
In article <3465ecee...@news.lightspeed.net>, jaj...@lightspeed.net
(Judy Johnson) wrote:
>
>The upshot was that one of the girls had worked at a photography lab,
>the other in a greeting card factory. Together they produced fairy
>cutouts and superimposed them on photos taken of themselves in the
>woods. Both 'girls' all but admitted to the deceit in interviews in
>the 1970s.
As I understood it only one girl admitted faking the photographs, the
other claimed their verity until her death.
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Dana Tweedy
Kim wrote:
>
> They were quite young when they did this ... teenagers at best. I
> somehow wonder if they really expected to be believed. The pictures
> are pretty obviously "faked", but once you've got folks like Conan
> Doyle believing you it would be kind of hard to come out and say
> "it was a joke, folks."
>
> -- Kim
There is an article in the September 1997 issue of Smithsonian magazine
about Doyle and his belief in fairies and the supernatural. If anyone
has seen the real photos it's obvious they are fakes. The "fairies" look
exactly like cardboard cutouts, obviously two dimentional in contrast to
the girls themselves. Looking at the photos it's hard to credit that
anyone would take them as genuine. Then again, people still call
"Psychics" and pay $3.99 a minute to hear some poor schlep tell them what
they want to hear.
Dana J. "I'm not a fairy, I'm a
vertically challenged non-corporeal American" Tweedy
Pergish1
jaj...@lightspeed.net (Judy Johnson), with a wave of her wand, made the
following appear on Sun, 09 Nov 1997
>Haven't seen the movie yet, but it definitely is based on a "true"
>incident which included Doyle. James Randi discusses it in
>*Flim-Flam: Psychics, ESP, Unicorns and other Delusions* [ISBN
>0-87975-198-3]. Couldn't find any mention of Houdini weighing in on
>it, but he was known to be an active debunker of spiritualists, even
>though he was considered a friend of Doyle's. Doyle wrote a book *The
>Coming of the Fairies*, which argued for the authenticity of photos.
>
>The upshot was that one of the girls had worked at a photography lab,
>the other in a greeting card factory. Together they produced fairy
>cutouts and superimposed them on photos taken of themselves in the
>woods. Both 'girls' all but admitted to the deceit in interviews in
>the 1970s.
I have three bios of Doyle before me, in addition to the article on him in "The
Annotated Sherlock Holmes" vol 1 [1967, Clarkson N. Potter Inc] and they make
no mention of him knowing Houdini, though I too recall without cite that they
were friendly through their mutual, conflicting interests in spiritualism.
Only one of my (all rather apologist) biographies even mentions the fairy
pictures; another book I've got, CD's own "Wanderings of a Spiritualist," was
written in 1921 and is therefore too early. Julian Symons' "Conan Doyle,
Portrait of an Artist" [G. Whizzard, 1979 and Mysterious Press (US) 1979]
lists all his books including "Coming of the Fairies" (1922) and includes two
of the fairy pictures.
From the looks of Alice and Iris, they couldn't be much older than 10 -- Iris
might be as much as 14, but the photo is murky and it's hard to tell. What's
clear is that any idiot (I do beg CD's pardon) could see these pictures are
fake -- the girls have all the highlight and shadow of outdoor photos of the
time, and in fact Iris's face is quite dark, but the fairies are very flatly
lit, clearly cut out and placed in the photo somehow. I will say that they're
nicely done fakes. The fairies don't have any odd edges and, in a place that
background should show through (ie, the space between limbs or bodies), it
does. Also, the girls are very well posed to look right at the fairies, so
it's hard to say whether they are actually holding "puppet" cutouts or whether
they were added later.
Anyway, they had to have had help from someone older. Obviously fake as they
are, they are too cleanly put together (how ever they were put together) to be
the handiwork of even a talented preteen.
Margaret "'As a rule,' said Holmes, ' the more bizarre a thing is the less
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K. Jay
September or October issue of Smithsonian had an article about Doyle and
the fairy photos
In article <346738...@unix.tamu.edu>, k29...@unix.tamu.edu wrote:
> Judy Johnson wrote:
> >
> > On Fri, 7 Nov 1997 14:49:52 -0800, "David Wolfe" <wo...@informix.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >What I wondered about was how accurate the historical side of the
movie was.
> > >Were Houdini and Doyle really involved in fairy hunts? The book and
pictures
> > >of the fairies looked familiar.
> >
> > Haven't seen the movie yet, but it definitely is based on a "true"
> > incident which included Doyle. James Randi discusses it in
> > *Flim-Flam: Psychics, ESP, Unicorns and other Delusions* [ISBN
> > 0-87975-198-3].
> (small snip)
>
> > The upshot was that one of the girls had worked at a photography lab,
> > the other in a greeting card factory. Together they produced fairy
> > cutouts and superimposed them on photos taken of themselves in the
> > woods. Both 'girls' all but admitted to the deceit in interviews in
> > the 1970s.
>
Roger Douglas
>In article <3465ecee...@news.lightspeed.net>, jaj...@lightspeed.net
>(Judy Johnson) wrote:
>>
>>The upshot was that one of the girls had worked at a photography lab,
>>the other in a greeting card factory.
One girl was 16 the other was 10 when they took the first set of
pictures.
> Together they produced fairy
>>cutouts and superimposed them on photos taken of themselves in the
>>woods.
No. They cut out the pictures from a book and pinned them onto bushes
before taking the pictures.
>Both 'girls' all but admitted to the deceit in interviews in
>>the 1970s.
They persisted in the deception until the 1980's when they finally
owned up.
>As I understood it only one girl admitted faking the photographs, the
>other claimed their verity until her death.
Both girls admitted it.
A quick search on "Conan Doyle" and "Fairies" threw up numerous
articles, many of them related to the two movies that have been made
on the subject.
This article by Donald Simanek gives basic details of the "Cottingley
Fairies" story, and its subsequent debunking.
http://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/doyle.htm
This article, also from Simanek's excellent Website, gives a wealth of
additional detail:
http://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/cooper.htm
--R.
Kim
>This is an important difference from the movie version. In the movie
>a key factor in favor of the authenticity of the pictures is that
>they were taken by innocent school children, untrained in the ways of
>photography.
presented with evidence to the contrary. I'm sure that part of the
reason he couldn't believe there were decieving him was because he
couldn't believe he was fooled by *girls*.
Kim
>There is a good write-up about the event portrayed in this movie in
>the book "Flim-Flam" by James (the Amazing) Randi. My brother just
>called me to tell me what the movie was about, and the first thing he
>said was, "I have to borrow that book, so my girlfriend can read it!"
-- Kim
GrapeApe
>...Together they produced fairy
>cutouts and superimposed them on photos taken of themselves in the
>the 1970s.
I somehow remember hearing in some documentary on the subject the sly
'technique' they used for the superimposition was holding the paper dolls in
front of the camera as they posed with them.
I always think this story tells more about adults attitudes towards childrens
mental faculties at the time than practically any other aspect of the story.
There always seems to have been more assumptions about the children involved
by the adults than actual questioning of them.
mitcho
GrapeApe wrote:
> I always think this story tells more about adults attitudes towards childrens
> mental faculties at the time than practically any other aspect of the story.
Some adults. Check out what Saki (HH Munro), an almost-contemporary
writer, thought children were capable of.
ObAFU: Are we allowed to end sentences with prepositions here?
Mitcho
Ben Walsh
mitcho wrote:
> ObAFU: Are we allowed to end sentences with prepositions here?
No. That is the sort of sloppy grammar up with which we will not put.
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D.M. Procida
K. Jay <kj...@mendel.berkeley.edu> wrote:
> September or October issue of Smithsonian had an article about Doyle and
> the fairy photos
Followed by a lot of quoted material.
I wonder if you would mind trimming quoted material in your articles,
especially if you are only adding a line yourself. Otherwise, you are
sending out all over Usenet material both which has been seen by
everyone at least once already and which is in any case quite irrelevant
to the point you are making.
Thanks,
D.M. Procida
I tried to email this but your email address above does not work.
Simon Slavin
In article <64a1qk$b...@argentina.earthlink.net>,
"Jen_Shien" <Jen_...@MSN.com> wrote:
> Obviously we should not go looking into Sherlock Holmes for Critical
> Thinking skills. I still find it odd that he would believe in such a photo
> even though Randi says so.,
The Doyle of this era was not the man who wrote the Holmes stories
or those about Professor Challenger.
Doyle's son died under tragic circumstances and Doyle was overcome
with grief. He'd leap at anything which offered him the slightest
chance of either contacting his son or being assured of the exist-
ance of some sort of idyllic afterlife. Consequently, Doyle was an
easy mark for spiritualists and mediums.
Stephan V. Zielinski, at well dot com
Dana Tweedy <twe...@mail.cvn.net> wrote:
> If anyone
> has seen the real photos it's obvious they are fakes. The "fairies" look
> exactly like cardboard cutouts, obviously two dimentional in contrast to
> the girls themselves. Looking at the photos it's hard to credit that
> anyone would take them as genuine.
Humans have to learn to read photographs-- and back before folks saw
still and video images on a daily basis, photo fakers had a much
easier time of it.
I don't have a primary cite, but I have a secondary one: in Steven Jay
Gould's _The Mismeasure of Man_, he includes some plates of
"congenital idiots" that have obviously (to modern Western eyes) been
modified to make their subjects look like the popular conception of
the mentally retarded. They did not excite comment at the time.
While I'm at it, I may as well point out that cultural themes that
look unbelievably silly in hindsight are often totally plausible when
still within their zeitgeist. I'd be willing to bet that in fifty
years, Those Damned Kids are not going to believe us when we tell them
that in our day, there were people willing to go on television and
declare that aliens had abducted them and probed their nether regions.
--
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two-dimensional forerunner of holonetting. No, you mewling brat,
it was NOT a kind of `book'" Zielinski
mitcho
Mark E. Smith wrote:
> To say that the fairy pictures were too crude to fool anybody
> reveals an inadequate appreciation for how easily people are
> deceived.
For a modern reference, consider the recent alien autopsy film, a direct
repeat of the fairies photos phiasco. I haven't seen the film, but I've
seen stills. A barely credible hoax.
People can be decieved because a) they are not sceptical; or b) they
simply wish to believe whatever is being put across them.
For alien autopsy film cites go to (sorry, won't fit on one line, but
you get the idea):
Mitcho
Jeremy W. Burgeson
jKsc...@qis.net (JoAnne Schmitz) wrote:
>JoAnne "welcome to the world of GoodTimes" Schmitz
I was at a client's office Wednesday. Their Internet gateway
was broken. While I was fixing it, someone came over to
the desk where I was working to impart some words of wisdom to
everyone.
"Don't open mail with 'Join The Crew' as the subject." This
individual then went on to explain that, no it was real. She
works for THE STATE (Nebraska). That particular arguement
didn't work for me (we have several contracts because the
state's IT department can't get things done). It didn't work
for the office either (they are a lobbying orginization).
This is Nebraska, so she's certainly a saint, but has no other
good qualities.
Jeremy
Sean Willard
Hellspawn <mar...@tiac.net> wrote:
> Obviously, Randi takes the skeptical point of view, and the cheery,
> happy kids movie takes the believer point of view.
I haven't seen the film, but from reviews I've read, while lots of
fairies are shown interacting with the girls, the crucial question "did
the girls actually photograph real fairies?" is left unanswered - you
simply see the girls going off into the garden, camera in hand, and
return later. If the girls are the only ones who see or hear the
fairies, you could argue that the filmmakers meant that it was all in
the girls' minds.
Sean "but they *might* be giants" Willard
Sean Willard
mitcho <mit...@netcom.com> wrote:
> Some adults. Check out what Saki (HH Munro), an almost-contemporary
> writer, thought children were capable of.
>
> ObAFU: Are we allowed to end sentences with prepositions here?
Of course not. You should have written "Check out what Saki . . .
thought children were capable of, asshole."
Sean
David Martin
There is also a point in the movie where a journalist breaks into
the house and finds cutouts of fairies much like those in the
pictures. Then the fairies come in and beat the crap out of him.
Well, maybe not that last bit. Something does intervene, but it
isn't fairies.
David "Next: Beast eats Beauty" Martin
Nathan F Miller
David Martin <k29...@unix.tamu.edu> wrote:
>
>There is also a point in the movie where a journalist breaks into
>the house and finds cutouts of fairies much like those in the
>pictures. Then the fairies come in and beat the crap out of him.
I would guess so! If a journalist came into my house snooping for
photographic evidence of whether I was a real fairy or not I'd make sure
he left with evidence of concussion.
Nathan "you have to draw lines somewhere" Miller
saki
In article <1997111616...@reqe-068.ucdavis.edu>,
I suppose in some universes, our Hector Hugh Munro was actually expressing
his admiration for the talents some youngsters might well have possessed,
in days of yore...like werewolfery. Nowadays it's all drugs and sassiness.
Alas for the next generation.
Of course it's half the parents' fault. Someday my elder son will discover
why his middle name is 'Gabriel-Ernest', and there'll be hell to pay.
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D.M. Procida
Jen_Shien <Jen_...@MSN.com> wrote:
> I have heard that movie goers have been shocked in theaters up to the 60's
> and I believe it to be a falsehood but cannot prove it. We have all heard
> the stories of nurses standing by with smelling salts and people fainting.
I went to see _Ladybird, Ladybird_ with some friends, amongst them a
nurse. Someone in the audience fainted during a harrowing part. The
nurse tended to her.
Q.E.D.M. Procida
P.S. Did you mean that in the stories you have heard the nurses stood
around and *caused* the fainting with their smelling salts? That would
probably be illegal, and certainly not a very nice thing to do.
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David Hatunen (hatunen@shell.) wrote:
> I think that was an Ed Wood gimmick for one of his turkeys.
I don't think Wood ever had any sort of money for gimmicks like that. I
could be wrong, of course, but it doesn't sound right to me.
> I think Korman ahd more class.
I cannot believe you said that.
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In article <64tcta$p...@argentina.earthlink.net>,
Jen_Shien <Jen_...@MSN.com> wrote:
> I meant that the movies were so scary that the owners had nurses standing
>by.
I think that was an Ed Wood gimmick for one of his turkeys.
I think Korman ahd more class.
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Harry MF Teasley wrote:
>
> David Hatunen (hatunen@shell.) wrote:
>
> > I think that was an Ed Wood gimmick for one of his turkeys.
>
> could be wrong, of course, but it doesn't sound right to me.
William Castle was the producer who used gimmicks like that to promote
his movies (such as 'The Tingler', which had certain seats in theaters
wired to give electrical shocks to viewers).
> > I think Korman ahd more class.
>
> I cannot believe you said that.
Well, I'll be the last to defend Roger Corman's actual film work on
artistic grounds, but let's give him his due: the films he lent his
name to were solid trashy entertainment, and his workman-like attitude
toward movie making helped lauch the career of quite a few Hollywood
movers & shakers who combined Corman's work ethic with their own
creativity.
Mike "Or were you referring to Harvey Korman, who's also a GENIUS!"
Czaplinski
ekim.czaplinski<at>washingtoncd.rcn.moc
David Hatunen
In article <3472F8...@127.0.0.1>, Mike Czaplinski <ro...@127.0.0.1> wrote:
>Harry MF Teasley wrote:
>>
>> David Hatunen (hatunen@shell.) wrote:
>>
>> > I think that was an Ed Wood gimmick for one of his turkeys.
>>
>> I don't think Wood ever had any sort of money for gimmicks like that. I
>> could be wrong, of course, but it doesn't sound right to me.
>
>William Castle was the producer who used gimmicks like that to promote
>his movies (such as 'The Tingler', which had certain seats in theaters
>wired to give electrical shocks to viewers).
>
>> > I think Korman ahd more class.
>>
>> I cannot believe you said that.
>
>Well, I'll be the last to defend Roger Corman's actual film work on
>artistic grounds, but let's give him his due: the films he lent his
>name to were solid trashy entertainment, and his workman-like attitude
>toward movie making helped lauch the career of quite a few Hollywood
>movers & shakers who combined Corman's work ethic with their own
>creativity.
Well. At least someone around here realizes I msiplet "Corman"...
Lee Rudolph
Mike Czaplinski <ro...@127.0.0.1> writes:
>William Castle was the producer who used gimmicks like that to promote
>his movies (such as 'The Tingler', which had certain seats in theaters
>wired to give electrical shocks to viewers).
Well, "give electrical shocks" only in exactly the same sense that
the common-or-garden -back-of-the-comic-book-with-the-Xray-specs
Joy Buzzer gave electrical shocks.
Lee "saw 'The Tingler' in the Broadview Theater, Cleveland, Ohio,
first run" Rudolph
Michael Fox
What type of evidence? You're fussy window treatments? You're extensive
collection of show tune CD's? The fact that when he shouted "RING RING
RING" you were compelled to respond with "Went the trolley!"?
M "Just asking" Fox
Nathan F Miller <nfm...@pitt.edu> wrote in article
<64qu0j$3...@usenet.srv.cis.pitt.edu>...
Maggie Newman
>Mike Czaplinski <ro...@127.0.0.1> writes:
>
>>William Castle was the producer who used gimmicks like that to promote
>>his movies (such as 'The Tingler', which had certain seats in theaters
>>wired to give electrical shocks to viewers).
>
>Well, "give electrical shocks" only in exactly the same sense that
>the common-or-garden -back-of-the-comic-book-with-the-Xray-specs
>Joy Buzzer gave electrical shocks.
>
>Lee "saw 'The Tingler' in the Broadview Theater, Cleveland, Ohio,
> first run" Rudolph
>
For a cute take on Castle and his film hypes, check out the 1993 film
"Matinee," starring John Goodman.
Maggie "considered too young and impressionable to see 'The Tingler,'
although All My Friends were allowed to go" Newman
Harry MF Teasley
David Hatunen (hatunen@shell.) wrote:
> You can't believe Korman had/has more class than Wood? Or that Korman had
> had too much class to hire nurses?
I just can't believe that the word "class" appeared in a sentence in
reference to Roger Corman. That's all.
Harry
tom.b...@ingrammicro.com
In article <64v9l8$5...@panix.com>,
lrud...@panix.com (Lee Rudolph) wrote:
>
> Mike Czaplinski <ro...@127.0.0.1> writes:
>
> >William Castle was the producer who used gimmicks like that to promote
> >his movies (such as 'The Tingler', which had certain seats in theaters
> >wired to give electrical shocks to viewers).
>
> the common-or-garden -back-of-the-comic-book-with-the-Xray-specs
> Joy Buzzer gave electrical shocks.
Joe Dante gave this genre a pretty good treatment a few years ago his
film "Matinee," which starred John Goodman as a William Castle type
producer who premeires his new movie "Mant" in Key West during the Cuban
missle crises. It's got a lot of neat gimmicks, including the seat
buzzers,[1] Rumble-Rama, Atomovision, etc. They also had Cathy Moriarty
as a nurse who made all the kids sign release forms before going into the
theatre. Bert I. "the Amazing Colossal Man" Gordon was also known for
creatue features of this sort. You can see preview clips from various
other 60's movie "processes" in "It Came From Hollywood," which was sort
of a forerunner to MST3K [2].
Tom "terr-o-vision" Bernard
[1] this gimmick was known as Percept-o (vision?)
[2] cable show where characters watch a "cheesy" movie and rip on it.
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David Hatunen
In article <64u3fq$b...@panix2.panix.com>,
Harry MF Teasley <he...@panix.com> wrote:
>David Hatunen (hatunen@shell.) wrote:
>
>> I think that was an Ed Wood gimmick for one of his turkeys.
>
>I don't think Wood ever had any sort of money for gimmicks like that. I
>could be wrong, of course, but it doesn't sound right to me.
Hm. Back when one of the PBS channels here had an Ed Wood festival I taped
everything, including a documentary about Wood (not the movie). I may have
to watch it again.
>> I think Korman ahd more class.
>
>I cannot believe you said that.
You can't believe Korman had/has more class than Wood? Or that Korman had
had too much class to hire nurses?
Dave "I think I was ambiguous" Hatunen
christine gazak
My god, Nathan's post was in poor taste, but comparing the guy to a
collection of show tunes does seem excessive.
Christine Gazak
Michael Fox (mic...@smallwondersoftworks.com) wrote:
: What type of evidence? You're fussy window treatments? You're extensive
: M "Just asking" Fox
: >
: >
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In article <64vnih$4it$1...@toto.cc.utah.edu>,
christine gazak <cg7...@u.cc.utah.edu> wrote:
>My god, Nathan's post was in poor taste, but comparing the guy to a
>collection of show tunes does seem excessive.
>
Worse, he made a show tune reference which he obviously learned from
Saturday Night Live. He could have asked how much ephebic statuary I own.
He could have asked my opinion on Ms. Paglia's theory of pop-culture as
Pagan revival.[1] He could have asked whether I posessed a Curious Sofa.
But no, we get Saturday Night Live.
Nathan "Christine! Bring me the axe!" Miller
[1] Mitcho might like her work, but then, maybe not.
David Hatunen
In article <64vrvk$8...@panix2.panix.com>,
Harry MF Teasley <he...@panix.com> wrote:
>David Hatunen (hatunen@shell.) wrote:
>
>> You can't believe Korman had/has more class than Wood? Or that Korman had
>> had too much class to hire nurses?
>
>reference to Roger Corman. That's all.
Have you ever actually seen "Plan Nine from Outer Space"?
mitcho
David Hatunen wrote:
> >I just can't believe that the word "class" appeared in a sentence in
> >reference to Roger Corman. That's all.
>
> Have you ever actually seen "Plan Nine from Outer Space"?
Hmm, as far as I can tell from a perusal of imdb.com, Roger Corman had
nothing to do with _Plan 9 from Outer Space_, though there are cool UL
elements associated with that film, "internationally recognized as the
worst movie ever made.
"Contrary to popular belief, Bela Lugosi did not die during the making
of the film. The scene of him in the graveyard is from [director] Edward
D. Wood Jr.'s uncompleted _Tomb of the Vampire_ project, the other
scenes being footage shot outside Tor Johnson's home for a planned TV
series. After Lugosi's death, Wood rewrote the _Plan 9_ screenplay to
incorporate this footage."
Perhaps you were thinking of _Attack of the Crab Monsters_ which Corman
directed in 1957.
Mitcho
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Michael Fox
Good catch. I don't usually make that mistake.
Perhaps, though, he does resemble fussy window treatments. You never
know.....Not that there's anything wrong with that....
C ya,
MFOX
christine gazak <cg7...@u.cc.utah.edu> wrote in article
<64vnih$4it$1...@toto.cc.utah.edu>...
> My god, Nathan's post was in poor taste, but comparing the guy to a
> collection of show tunes does seem excessive.
>
> Christine Gazak
>
>
> Michael Fox (mic...@smallwondersoftworks.com) wrote:
> : What type of evidence? You're fussy window treatments? You're
extensive
> : collection of show tune CD's? The fact that when he shouted "RING RING
> : RING" you were compelled to respond with "Went the trolley!"?
>
Michael Fox
It's true that there is a missing clue, but I've got all of mine. Lighten
up!
I purposely used the term "teasing gays" because I felt using "gay bashing"
or any phrase involving the word "fag" could be interpreted to have it's
roots in hatefulness. I assure you that no part of any of my posts are
sprung from this well.
Apparently I overestimated both the ambient sense of humor and skin
thickness. If you would like to tease me, my background is 50/50 Irish and
Austrian. Suggested topics include:
1. Drinking and inebriation.
2. Culinary skills.
3. Blind faith Catholicism.
4. Dreams of world conquest through means of genocidal mayhem.
I'd still like to know what a "Curious Sofa" is.
-MFOX-
mitcho <mit...@netcom.com> wrote in article <34747A...@netcom.com>...
> Michael Fox wrote:
> >
> >Perhaps if you published some type
> > of "Insiders Guide to Teasing Gays" I would have met your minimum
> > standards.
>
> Here's a clue for someone he appears to be seriously deficient in them:
> While IMHO everyone should be fair game for private teasing, some groups
> get more than their fair share of outright hate and violence, and so
> should probably not be "teased," however innocently, in public areas
> such as Usenet, unless you are sure your entire audience is 100% aware
> of the light-heartedness of your banter.
>
> Here's another clue before you go on to other subjects: You best not
> think about "teasing" Jews or black people on AFU either.
>
> HTH,
Michael Fox
Hey Shecky, let me know when you're headlining Vegas.
Lighten up, twinkles, it was meant as a joke. Since I'm an outsider, I
could only use stereotypical cliches. Perhaps if you published some type
of "Insiders Guide to Teasing Gays" I would have met your minimum
standards.
What is a "Curious Sofa"? My furniture is rather apathetic and lethargic,
including the sofas and loveseats.
C ya,
MFOX
Nathan F Miller <nfm...@pitt.edu> wrote in article
<650bpk$i...@usenet.srv.cis.pitt.edu>...
> In article <64vnih$4it$1...@toto.cc.utah.edu>,
> christine gazak <cg7...@u.cc.utah.edu> wrote:
> >My god, Nathan's post was in poor taste, but comparing the guy to a
> >collection of show tunes does seem excessive.
> >
>
David Hatunen
In article <347462...@netcom.com>, mitcho <mit...@netcom.com> wrote:
>David Hatunen wrote:
>
>> >I just can't believe that the word "class" appeared in a sentence in
>> >reference to Roger Corman. That's all.
>>
>> Have you ever actually seen "Plan Nine from Outer Space"?
>
>Hmm, as far as I can tell from a perusal of imdb.com, Roger Corman had
>nothing to do with _Plan 9 from Outer Space_, though there are cool UL
>elements associated with that film, "internationally recognized as the
>worst movie ever made.
The slow and inevitable editing of prior articles ultimately leads to
ambiguity. I should have added, "Ed Wood makes Roger Corman look like
Richard Attenborough."
[...]
Harry MF Teasley
David Hatunen (hatunen@shell.) wrote:
I said:
> >I just can't believe that the word "class" appeared in a sentence in
> >reference to Roger Corman. That's all.
> Have you ever actually seen "Plan Nine from Outer Space"?
Dave. Dave Dave Dave. I *own* _Plan 9 From Outer Space_. On laserdisc,
for highest fidelity (such as it is). Tell me something about Ed "angora"
Wood I don't know.
Harry "I own the 'Plan 9 From Outer Space' companion video, too" Teasley
Nathan F Miller
Michael Fox <mic...@smallwondersoftworks.com> felt the need to say:
>Hey Shecky, let me know when you're headlining Vegas.
>
>Lighten up, twinkles, it was meant as a joke. Since I'm an outsider, I
Yeah, right. Cross me with 'twinkles', and then duck with 'juuust
jokiiing'. Typical.
Listen, crud, if you _want_ trouble, you are free to march your own
twinkie ass down to the closest gay bar and stir the shit there. I'm sure
you can find someone willing to make a go of it. We sure as hell don't
want this crap _here._
<*plonk*>
Nathan "earning respect by all means necessary since puberty" Miller
Articulate Mandible
>"Contrary to popular belief, Bela Lugosi did not die during the making
>of the film. The scene of him in the graveyard is from [director] Edward
>D. Wood Jr.'s uncompleted _Tomb of the Vampire_ project, the other
>scenes being footage shot outside Tor Johnson's home for a planned TV
>series. After Lugosi's death, Wood rewrote the _Plan 9_ screenplay to
>incorporate this footage."
Ah, yessss, Tor "Lobo" Johnson, as in _Bride of the Monster_, which
I'v recently added to my "difficult viewing" collection. He stole
the show from Lugosi in that'n.
Ben Walsh
Harry MF Teasley wrote:
> --
> "But I do know that [the Egyptians] were doing some pretty interesting
> math at a time when our forbears were still streaking their faces with
> blue and worshipping oak trees." -DT
>
> Visit the AFU archives at www.urbanlegends.com
This has been irking me for a while (I know Harry didn't say it
originally). I do know that our forebears were building Newgrange and
Stonehenge at a time when the Egyptians were still rolling around in the
sand and worshipping cats.
ben "Dr. Gene Scott would *love* Newgrange" w.
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StephanV.Zielinski wrote:
: While I'm at it, I may as well point out that cultural themes that
: look unbelievably silly in hindsight are often totally plausible when
: still within their zeitgeist. I'd be willing to bet that in fifty
: years, Those Damned Kids are not going to believe us when we tell them
: that in our day, there were people willing to go on television and
: declare that aliens had abducted them and probed their nether regions.
Unfortunately, though, the Alien Abduction theme will probably be
replaced with something equally as convoluded. I expect tales about
fairy abductions, ghost abductions, abductions in virtual reality, or
abductions by one-eyed pyromaniac dwarf pirates.
Richard Brandt
Mike Czaplinski wrote:
>
> Harry MF Teasley wrote:
> >
> > > I think Korman ahd more class.
> >
> > I cannot believe you said that.
>
> Well, I'll be the last to defend Roger Corman's actual film work on
> artistic grounds, but let's give him his due: the films he lent his
> name to were solid trashy entertainment, and his workman-like attitude
> toward movie making helped lauch the career of quite a few Hollywood
> movers & shakers who combined Corman's work ethic with their own
> creativity.
Have you seen THE INTRUDER? It was actually a pretty good movie. Some
of his American International flicks, like THE WILD ANGELS and the Poe
movies, and early works like MACHINE GUN KELLY, have their critical
admirers. (And he gave a very erudite speech at the World SF Convention
in Los Angeles.)
Richard "Roger, you magnificent bastard, I read your book!" Brandt
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Jeff Mead
In article <34677F...@mail.cvn.net>, Dana Tweedy
<twe...@mail.cvn.net> writes
>> They were quite young when they did this ... teenagers at best. I
>> somehow wonder if they really expected to be believed. The pictures
>> are pretty obviously "faked", but once you've got folks like Conan
>> Doyle believing you it would be kind of hard to come out and say
>> "it was a joke, folks."
>>
>> -- Kim
>
> There is an article in the September 1997 issue of Smithsonian magazine
>about Doyle and his belief in fairies and the supernatural. If anyone
>has seen the real photos it's obvious they are fakes. The "fairies" look
>exactly like cardboard cutouts, obviously two dimentional in contrast to
>the girls themselves. Looking at the photos it's hard to credit that
>anyone would take them as genuine. Then again, people still call
>"Psychics" and pay $3.99 a minute to hear some poor schlep tell them what
>they want to hear.
I saw the film last week at the London Film Festival and the director
was there to answer questions about the film.
It seems that, after the initial publicity, the two girls didn't talk
about the photographs again until they were in their 70s. They always
maintained that they really did see fairies at Cottingley and that they
only faked the pictures so that they could show the grown-ups what they
were seeing. They also claimed that one of the photographs (taken some
time after the others) was completely genuine.
Why were so many people taken in by it all? Don't forget that
photography was still in its infancy and the some of the most respected
experts in the field (at Kodak) confirmed that the pictures were not the
result of any darkroom trickery or multi-exposures.
I agree with Dana that it is astounding that more people didn't say
"...but they look like cutouts".
The director added that, after his extensive research, he is convinced
that the photographs were all the girls' own work (apart from the
developing and printing which involved no trickery) and no-one else was
involved.
I'd just like to add that "Fairy Tale" is an absolutely enchanting film
and well worth seeing.
--
Jeff Mead
EMail: je...@bayou.demon.co.uk
Eric Hocking
Mike Czaplinski wrote:
> Harry MF Teasley wrote:
> >
> > David Hatunen (hatunen@shell.) wrote:
> >
> > > I think that was an Ed Wood gimmick for one of his turkeys.
> >
> > I don't think Wood ever had any sort of money for gimmicks like that. I
> > could be wrong, of course, but it doesn't sound right to me.
>
> William Castle was the producer who used gimmicks like that to promote
> his movies (such as 'The Tingler', which had certain seats in theaters
> wired to give electrical shocks to viewers).
BotBSUL[1] when the movie "The Exorcist" was released in Australia was that
nurses were required in some theatres AFTER the premiere, as some of the
scenes were so disturbing people were prone to an attack of the vapours.
The
story was very popular with us at the time - but never vorified as we we too
young to go to an R-rated movie (my mum would use the Royal We, but never
with
any legal authority).
> <highly informed bit about directors I've not heard of snippped>
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initially vectored, and some pleasant and not so pleasant physical
adventures
performed are played out.
Nathan F Miller
Eric Hocking <ehoc...@nospam.ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>BotBSUL[1] when the movie "The Exorcist" was released in Australia was that
>nurses were required in some theatres AFTER the premiere, as some of the
>scenes were so disturbing people were prone to an attack of the vapours.
I'd been given to think that this phrase means flatulence, and thus
would be an odd effect for any movie to have.
Nathan "and a disturbing scene, indeed" Miller
JoAnne Schmitz
Indeedy-poo. I think that reading of the phrase would make these quotes
even livelier:
"On the mention of section 301, foreign diplomats would grow crimson and
academic free traders would get an "attack of the vapors"."
from THE ROLE OF CONGRESS IN DEFINING AMERICA'S TRADE INTERESTS
Remarks of Alan Wm. Wolff Before the Symposium for Members of Congress
"America's Economic Future: Democracy, Trade and Globalization -- The U.S.
Response," Washington, D.C., February 24, 1995
http://www.dbtrade.com/publications/181927a.htm
"and for you valiant souls who scrolled all the way to bottom of the
page...a picture of me feigning an attack of the vapors while cooking
fettucini:"
Morgaine of the Pudding Faeries (actually an entertaining page)
http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Studios/1029/moi.htm
"
Thomas R Scudder
David Hatunen (hatunen@shell.) aseioniezi:
: The slow and inevitable editing of prior articles ultimately leads to
: ambiguity. I should have added, "Ed Wood makes Roger Corman look like
: Richard Attenborough."
Except he has to keep his cape up over his face the whole time, so nobody
gets too clear a look at him.
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Maggie Newman
Nathan F Miller <nfm...@pitt.edu> wrote:
>>BotBSUL[1] when the movie "The Exorcist" was released in Australia was that
>>nurses were required in some theatres AFTER the premiere, as some of the
>>scenes were so disturbing people were prone to an attack of the vapours.
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> I'd been given to think that this phrase means flatulence, and thus
>would be an odd effect for any movie to have.
>
I've never thought this or seen the expression in a context that would
cause me to infer it.
The OED presents an interesting history of the term. Apparently it
derived from "exhalations ... developed within the organs of the body"
that have "an injurious effect upon the health." This seems to conform
to the medieval concept of "humors." The 15th-16th century examples in
the OED all refer to vapors that are emitted from the stomach into the
head.
In the 17th and 18th century the phrase was used to describe "a morbid
condition ... hypochondria ... hysteria ... or other nervous condition."
In contemporary usage, I have only ever seen "the vapors" used as a
semi-humorous version of the above. A woman having a fainting fit, for
example, would be described in jest as having "the vapors." It has a
Victorian ring to it, yet oddly the OED does not cite a single example
from the Victorian era.
Maggie "looking up things in the OED makes me lightheaded" Newman
Madeleine Page
GrapeApe wrote:
: The vapors as I have understood them referred to menopausal hot flashes, which
: could be brought on by stress, or any nervous raise in body temperature, sweat
: or 'glow' among women menopausal or not.
Believe me, Grape me old Ape, you *really* don't know from hot flashes.
For a start, they are not brought on by stress. They create stress, for
sure, but arrive quite independently of context. That's just one of the
many and wondrous ways they are mortifying as well as acutely
uncomfortable. Take it from someone who thought they were a bunch of
baloney until time's winged chariot ran over her foot.
As for your definition, it's cute. It doesn't accord with my own folk
etymology (faintness originating in hysteria or too tight corsets), but
it's still cute. It's also wrong.
See, I had this really revolutionary idea. Rather than us all
*speculating* about what something means, said I to myself, why don't we
look it up in this weird device called a dictionary? Quite by
happenstance, I had one to hand (speaking of which, Chris Grace, I'm in
the line-up to kill you, right behind Harry Teasley and Steve Caskey).
Here's what I found under "Vapour" in the SOED:
*pl* In older medical use: Exhalations supposed to be developed
within the organs of the body (especially the stomach) and to
have an injurious effect upon the health. late ME. [...] A morbid
condition supposed to be caused by the presence of such
exhalations; depression of the spirits, hypochondria, hysteria or
other nervous disorder. Now *arch* 1662. [...] So *The vapours*
1711.
Wonderful how information kills conversation, isn't it?
Madeleine "inducing awkward silences since 1945" Page
Susan Mudgett aka little gator
Madeleine Page (mp...@panix.com) wrote:
: Believe me, Grape me old Ape, you *really* don't know from hot flashes.
: For a start, they are not brought on by stress. They create stress, for
: sure, but arrive quite independently of context. That's just one of the
: many and wondrous ways they are mortifying as well as acutely
: uncomfortable. Take it from someone who thought they were a bunch of
: baloney until time's winged chariot ran over her foot.
They are also not limited to menopause. I've had them since I was 12.
H Gilmer
Madeleine Page (mp...@panix.com) wrote:
: Here's what I found under "Vapour" in the SOED:
: *pl* In older medical use: Exhalations supposed to be developed
: within the organs of the body (especially the stomach) and to
: have an injurious effect upon the health. late ME. [...] A morbid
: condition supposed to be caused by the presence of such
: exhalations; depression of the spirits, hypochondria, hysteria or
: other nervous disorder. Now *arch* 1662. [...] So *The vapours*
: 1711.
Um, vapors is stress-induced burping? I guess whoever suggested
"flatulence" a few posts ago wasn't so far off...
Hg
GrapeApe
The Scene from Blazing Saddles redubbed for general broadcast, having all the
whoopee cushion noises replaced with dulcet southern belle tones saying 'Mercy,
I must have the vapors!" is proof of the pudding.
My only exposure to the saying is via Hollywood, usually by older ladies, with
the younger end of the scale being one of Gomer Pyles dates. The saying is
often accompanied by much fanning of oneself. If you say its gas, fine, but I
don't think ladies would necessarily draw such fervent attention to themselves
everytime they slipped a Silent but Deadly One into the breathing arena, or
every time a radish repeated on them through their dainty lips.
The fanning motion accompanying the Hollywood versions seems to suggest a
sudden increase in body heat, if you insist its fanning of fumes, so be it.
Edward Rice
In article <347BAEA7...@nospam.ozemail.com.au>,
Eric Hocking <ehoc...@nospam.ozemail.com.au> wrote:
> BotBSUL[1] when the movie "The Exorcist" was released in Australia was
that
> nurses were required in some theatres AFTER the premiere, as some of the
> scenes were so disturbing people were prone to an attack of the vapours.
> The
> story was very popular with us at the time - but never vorified as we we
too
> young to go to an R-rated movie (my mum would use the Royal We, but
never
> with
> any legal authority).
Stories like that were promoted in the US, also, and sometimes theaters
would hire a nurse for a night -- it boosted box office sales. Wasn't
necessary, just commercial.
BTW, you should distinguish between the /Royal We/ and the /Motherly We/
(aka /Nurse's We/). The Royal We means "I", while the Motherly or Nurse's
We means "you."
> 1] BotBSUL(TM). Back of the Bike Shed. Where all of life's truths are
> initially vectored, and some pleasant and not so pleasant physical
> adventures
> performed are played out.
What is a "Bike Shed"? I haven't heard this term before. American
students drive their cars to school, can it be that Australian students are
still riding bicycles??
Stephan V. Zielinski, at well dot com
> uncomfortable. Take it from someone who thought they were a bunch of
> baloney until time's winged chariot ran over her foot.
Sounds to me like that chariot ran over yourrRrTER^@%$#%%#@^*^^^^
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In article <B0A9CED79...@ehrice.his.com>
ehr...@his.com "Edward Rice" writes:
I'm impressed. I wouldn't have thought firstgraders could see over the
dashboard, or reach the pedals.
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mp...@panix.com (Madeleine Page) cost the Net hundreds, if not
thousands of dollars writing in <65vqg8$o...@panix2.panix.com>:
>Take it from someone who thought they were a bunch of
>baloney until time's winged chariot ran over her foot.
Oh, Maddy, please. Won't you leave me a single fantasy in life?
Hansje.
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Paul Tomblin
In a previous article, no...@ibfs.hormeldemon.co.uk said:
>In article <B0A9CED79...@ehrice.his.com>
> ehr...@his.com "Edward Rice" writes:
>> What is a "Bike Shed"? I haven't heard this term before. American
>> students drive their cars to school, can it be that Australian students are
>> still riding bicycles??
>
> I'm impressed. I wouldn't have thought firstgraders could see over the
>dashboard, or reach the pedals.
Neither can old jewish ladies driving Lincoln Town Cars, but that doesn't stop
them. And I had the crumpled up bicycle to prove it, back when I lived in a
part of Toronto known as "The Golan Heights".
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Lon Stowell
In article <EKMBu...@xcski.com>, Paul Tomblin <ptom...@xcski.com> wrote:
>Neither can old jewish ladies driving Lincoln Town Cars, but that doesn't stop
>them. And I had the crumpled up bicycle to prove it, back when I lived in a
>part of Toronto known as "The Golan Heights".
Pah. Wait until they RETIRE!!. You haven't lived until you've
been cruising down lower Orange Blossom Trail [Orlando] and
experienced a geriatric midget peeking under the top of their
steering wheel heading directly towards you on your side of
the median strip.
Eric Hocking
Edward Rice wrote:
> In article <347BAEA7...@nospam.ozemail.com.au>,
> Eric Hocking <ehoc...@nospam.ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>
> > BotBSUL[1] when the movie "The Exorcist" was released in Australia was
> Stories like that were promoted in the US, also, and sometimes theaters
> would hire a nurse for a night -- it boosted box office sales. Wasn't
> necessary, just commercial.
W think that even at that young age we recognised it as promotional not
practitional
> BTW, you should distinguish between the /Royal We/ and the /Motherly We/
> (aka /Nurse's We/). The Royal We means "I", while the Motherly or Nurse's
> We means "you."
We are well aware of this, but our explanation above works well to clarify the
matter in our minds. We thank you.
> What is a "Bike Shed"? I haven't heard this term before.
Just as well that we didn't refer to the Shelter Shed, then.
> American
> students drive their cars to school, can it be that Australian students are
> still riding bicycles??
At what age do you get a licence there? Or do schoolchildren below the age of
18 (Vic age limit) not count as students?
Eric Hocking
Robert Sneddon wrote:
> In article <B0A9CED79...@ehrice.his.com>
> ehr...@his.com "Edward Rice" writes:
>
> > In article <347BAEA7...@nospam.ozemail.com.au>,
> > Eric Hocking <ehoc...@nospam.ozemail.com.au> wrote:
> >
> I'm impressed. I wouldn't have thought firstgraders could see over the
> dashboard,
Dashboard? I can bearely reach the
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> or reach the pedals.
I use a mouse.
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wanderer
In article <64qu0j$3...@usenet.srv.cis.pitt.edu>, nfm...@pitt.edu says...
>
>David Martin <k29...@unix.tamu.edu> wrote:
>>
>>There is also a point in the movie where a journalist breaks into
>>the house and finds cutouts of fairies much like those in the
>>pictures. Then the fairies come in and beat the crap out of him.
>
>It was not the fairies that beat him it was the ghost of the girls
brother at least in the movie I sat through.
Norm
wanderer
In article <64qfok$i...@panix2.panix.com>, he...@panix.com says...
<snip>
>"But I do know that [the Egyptians] were doing some pretty interesting
>math at a time when our forbears were still streaking their faces with
>blue and worshipping oak trees." -DT
>
Some of us still streak our faces and worship oaks!
Norm