I feel like sharing today!
Stuart P. Derby
me of one of the more unusual posters to misc.legal, A.J. Teel. While
another AFU'er could tell y'all far more about the wonderment of Teel,
I feel compelled to share with you all today.
While a quick synopsis doesn't do A.J. true justice, a brief way
of describing his "unusuallness" would be to say that he had a
different view of the law than most of us. Positions that Teel
took in misc.legal included:
That the U.S. Constitution empowered people to drive without a license.
That the U.S went bankrupt in 1936.
That the U.S. Federal government lacked sovereign power over the states
and their citizens.
That citizens of a particular state were not citizens of the "United
States", and that "United States" citizens were those that lived in
Washington, D.C. and other Federal reservations.
That paying Federal income tax was not mandatory (of course).
And many more. He also advertised tapes of someone espousing similar
ideas.
Later this summer, I saw the "bankrupt in '36" idea pop up in the news:
some West Texas farmers had gotten themselves into trouble by suing
judges and attorneys who had been involved in bankruptcy and seizure
proceeding against them. The farmers had sued claiming that the
U.S. "bankruptcy" invalidated the charters of the banks that had
foreclosed against them and hence the debt was not valid. Federal
charges of retaliating against an official were filed against several
of the farmers as a result of their lawsuits.
Anyway, back to A.J.Teel. Appended herewith, in its entirety,
by Special Appearance, is one of my favorite posts of his,
wherein he shares with the world his lawsuit to have his
birth certificate revoked.
Stu "negative net worth in '93" Derby
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Article 54746 of misc.legal:
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From: at...@nyx.cs.du.edu (A. J. Teel)
Subject: Post: "Revocation of Birth Certificate"
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Sender: at...@nyx.cs.du.edu (A. J. Teel, Sui Juris)
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Post: "Revocation of Birth Certificate"
From: A. J. Teel, Sui Juris <at...@nyx.cs.du.edu>
..............................................................................
Dated: May 26, 1993 A. J. Teel, Sui Juris
[address ommitted]
Registry of Vital Records
State Board of Health
1330 West Michigan
Indianapolis, Indiana Republic
united States of America
Postal Zone: 46206
(317) 633-0100
Johnson County Memorial Hospital
Franklin, Indiana Republic
united States of America
Postal Zone: ?????-????
(317) 736-3300
Secretary of State of the Indiana Republic
402 West Washington Street
Indianapolis, Indiana Republic
united States of America
Postal Zone: ?????-????
(317) 232-6531
Social Security Administration
Dorcas R. Hardy, Commissioner
6301 Security Boulevard
Baltimore, Maryland Republic
united States of America
Postal Zone: 21235/TDC
Re: Revocation of Birth Certificate
NUNC PRO TUNC REVOCATION OF CONTRACT
AND REVOCATION OF POWER ASSEVERATION
PREAMBLE
I, A. J. Teel, Sui Juris, being natural born in Indiana, a male human
being, now domiciled in Santa Clara County, California Republic, as a
Sovereign Human Being, one of THE PEOPLE as mentioned in the Constitution
*for* the united States of America indigenous to the land mass known as the
several States, do hereby make this Special Appearance, by Declaration and
Affidavit, in Propria Persona, proceeding Sui Juris, At Law, in Common
Law, with Assistance, Special, neither conferring nor consenting to any
foreign jurisdiction, and as one of THE PEOPLE, as mentioned in the
Preamble to the Constitution *for* the United States of America, I
willfully enforce all Constitutional limitations respectively on all
governmental or quasi-governmental agencies when dealing with them.
Wherefore, the undersigned Declarant and Affiant named herein and above,
upon affirmation declares and evidences the following:
I, the undersigned, a natural born free Sovereign Human Being, one of
THE PEOPLE as mentioned in the Preamble to the Constitution *for* the
united States of America indigenous to the land mass known as the several
States, hereby affirm, declare and give notice:
1. That I am competent to testify to the matters herein and will do so
if called as a witness; and further
2. That I have personal knowledge of my status and of the facts and
evidence stated herein; and further
3. That all the facts stated herein are not hearsay but true and
correct, and admissible as evidence, if not rebutted; and further
4. That I, A. J. Teel, Sui Juris, am of lawful age and am competent; I
am a natural born free Sovereign Human Being now domiciled in the
California Republic, and thereby in the united States of America, in fact,
by right of heritage, am one of THE PEOPLE as mentioned in the Preamble to
the Constitution *for* the united States of America indigenous to the land
mass known as the several States and specifically the California Republic,
am thereby protected by the Northwest Ordinance of 1787, the Organic Act of
1849, the original Constitution *for* the Republic of California (1849),
the Articles of Confederation (1777), the Constitution *for* the united
States of America (1787) including its Preamble, and the Bill of Rights
(1791) including its Preamble; and as such I retain all my fundamental,
unalienable rights granted by God in positive law, embodied in the
Declaration of Independence of 1776 and binding rights upon myself and my
parentage, this day and for all time; and further
5. That this Declaration and Affidavit has been prepared, witnessed
and filed because the State of Indiana holds the position that there are no
statutory provisions to rescind a Certificate of Birth, nor any trust or
contractual obligations derived therefrom, and because there is no other
remedy available to me At Law by which I can declare and enforce my right
to be free from State enfranchisement and the benefits therefrom; and
further
6. That, on my birthday, July 31, 1965, at 1:27AM, I was born in the
Johnson County Memorial Hospital (Hospital number 75796-B) in Franklin,
Indiana as Anthony Joseph Vance to my parents, Joe Robert Vance and Vicki
Lynn (Inman) Vance, who were both under the misconception that they were
required to secure a Certificate of Birth on my behalf, and they did obtain
the same; and further
7. That my parents were not aware that, at the Common Law, births were
to be recorded in the family Bible, and that only deaths were made a matter
of public record; and further
8. That during the year of 1971, I was adopted through the remarriage
of my mother to David Paxton Teel and a new Certificate of Birth was issued
as both my mother and adoptive father were under the misconception that
they were required to secure a new certificate of Birth on my behalf, and
they did obtain the same; and further
9. That my parents were not aware that any certificate required by
statute to be made by officers may, as a rule, be introduced into evidence
(see Marlowe vs School District, 116 Pac 797) and, therefore, they were
acquiescing to State requirements which violate my rights to privacy and
the 4th Amendment protections under the Constitution *for* the united
States of America, because the Certificate of Birth is the record of the
State of Indiana, not of the individual, and the State may be compelled to
introduce said record without my permission; and further
10. That such statutory practices by the State of Indiana are
deceitful misrepresentations by the State and society, on the recording of
births, and my parents were unaware that a Certificate of Birth was not
necessary, nor were they aware that they were possibly waiving some of my
rights, which rights are unalienable rights guaranteed to me by the
Constitution *for* the united States of America; and further
11. That the doctor who delivered me acted as a licensed agent of the
State of Indiana without the consent of either my own parents or myself,
and offered me into a State trust to be regulated as other State and
corporate interests and property as a result of that offer and acceptance,
which comprises a fiction of law under statutory law (called contracts of
adhesion, contracts implied by law, constructive contracts, quasi-
contracts, also referred to as implied consent legislation); and further
12. That, from my own spiritual beliefs and training, I have come,
and I have determined that the right to be born comes, from the Creator --
not the State of Indiana, California, the united States of America, nor any
other governmental or quasi-governmental agency -- and therefore original
jurisdiction upon my behavior requiring any specific performance comes from
my personal relationship with the Creator, unless said performance
causes demonstrable damage or injury to another natural human being; and
further
13. That, after studying the Certificate of Birth, I have come to the
conclusions that the Birth Certificate creates a legal estate in myself,
and acts as the nexus to bring actions against this individual as if he or
she were a corporate entity, that the State of Indiana, in cooperation with
the federal government and its agents and assigns, is maintaining the
Certificate of Birth so as to assume jurisdiction over many aspects of my
life in direct contravention of my unalienable rights and Constitutionally
enumerated and secured rights to be a "Freeman" and to operate at the
Common Law; and further
14. That such statutory provisions also cause a loss or diminution
(depending upon other statutory provisions) of rights enumerated and
guaranteed by the 1st, 2nd, 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th, and 9th amendments in the
Constitution *for* the united States of America; and further
15. That, as a result of my earnest and diligent studies, my prior
ignorance has come to an end, and I have regained my capacity to be an
American Freeman; therefore, it is now necessary that I declare any nexus
assumed as a result of the Certificate of Birth, by the State of Indiana or
by any of its agents and assigns, including the federal government, and any
jurisdictional or other rights that may be waived as a result of said
trust/contract with all forms of government, to be null and void from its
inception, due to the deceptive duress, fraud, injury, and incapacity
perpetrated upon my parents and myself by the State of Indiana, the third
party to the contract to which I am not even a party; and further
16. That I was neither born nor naturalized in the "United States" as
defined in Title 26, United States Codes and, therefore, I am not subject
to its foreign jurisdiction. See 26 CFR 1.1-1(b)-(c); and further
17. That, with this revocation of contract and the revocation of
power, I do hereby claim all of my rights, all of my unalienable rights and
all rights enumerated and guaranteed by the Constitution *for* the united
States of America, At Law, and do hereby declare, to one and all, that I am
a free and independent Sovereign Human Being indigenous to the land mass
known as the several States now who is not a creation of, nor subject to
any State's civil law of admiralty, maritime, or equity jurisdictions; and
further
18. That I aver and affirm, under the Common Law of America, without
the "United States" (see Article I, Section 8, Clause 17 and Article IV,
Section 3, Clause 2 of the Constitution *for* the united States of
America), that the Preamble and Sections 1 thru 17 of this Declaration and
Affidavit, are true and correct and so done in good faith to the best of my
knowledge; and further
19. That my use of the phrase "WITH EXPLICIT RESERVATION OF ALL MY
RIGHTS AND WITHOUT PREJUDICE UCC 1-207" above my signature on this document
indicates: that I explicitly reject any and all benefits of the Uniform
Commercial Code, absent a valid commercial agreement which is in force and
to which I am a party, and cite its provisions herein only to serve notice
upon ALL agencies of government, whether international, national, state, or
local, that they, and not I, are subject to, and bound by, all of its
provisions, whether cited herein or not; that my explicit reservation of
rights has served notice upon ALL agencies of government of the "Remedy
they must provide for me under Article 1, Section 207 of the Uniform
Commercial Code, whereby I have explicitly reserved my Common Law right not
to be compelled to perform under any contract or commercial agreement, that
I have not entered into knowingly, voluntarily, and intentionally; that my
explicit reservation of rights has served notice upon ALL agencies of
government that they are ALL limited to proceeding against me only in
harmony with the Common Law and that I do not, and will not accept the
liability associated with the "compelled" benefit of any unrevealed
commercial agreements; and that my valid reservation of rights has
preserved all my rights and prevented the loss of any such rights by
application of the concepts of waiver or estoppel;
And Further This Declarant and Affiant Saith Not.
Subscribed and affirmed to, Nunc Pro Tunc, on the date of my majority,
which date was July 31, 1986.
In accordance with the facts and evidence herein presented, I rescind and
revoke Nunc Pro Tunc the Certificates or Certificates of Birth identified
herein and demand that said rescission and revocation to confirmed in
writing by the State of Indiana.
Subscribed, sealed, affirmed, and presented on March 26, 1993.
I now affix my signature to all of the declarations and affirmations herein
WITH EXPLICIT RESERVATION OF ALL MY RIGHTS, AND WITHOUT PREJUDICE UNIFORM
COMMERCIAL CODE ARTICLE 1, SECTION 207.
_________________________________________________________________
A. J. Teel, Sui Juris, by Special Appearance, in Propria Persona,
proceeding Sui Juris, with Assistance, Special, with explicit reservation
of all my unalienable rights and without prejudice to any of my unalienable
rights.
..............................................................................
End: "Revocation of Birth Certificate"
--
With Explicit Reservation of All Rights (U.C.C. 1-207),
Regards, -A. J. Teel-, Sui Juris (at...@nyx.cs.du.edu).
Finger for PGP 2.2 PUBLIC KEY BLOCK
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Stuart Derby | What's Jonathon Papai doing in Vicki Robinson's .sig?
sde...@bcm.tmc.edu | My Kibo number is 2, what's yours?
"There's no need to bother everyone with your ignorance."
Ted Frank
> Recent talk of McElwaine, cluelessness and net.nuts in general reminded
>me of one of the more unusual posters to misc.legal, A.J. Teel. While
>another AFU'er could tell y'all far more about the wonderment of Teel,
>I feel compelled to share with you all today.
>
> While a quick synopsis doesn't do A.J. true justice, a brief way
>of describing his "unusuallness" would be to say that he had a
>different view of the law than most of us. Positions that Teel
>took in misc.legal included:
>
> That the U.S. Constitution empowered people to drive without a license.
>
> That the U.S went bankrupt in 1936.
>
> That the U.S. Federal government lacked sovereign power over the states
> and their citizens.
>
> That citizens of a particular state were not citizens of the "United
> States", and that "United States" citizens were those that lived in
> Washington, D.C. and other Federal reservations.
>
> That paying Federal income tax was not mandatory (of course).
Don't forget that one can invoke UCC 1-207 to get out of speeding tickets.
Also, a long convoluted concept that by saying "admiralty" in court,
everyone will start to shudder at the power of the word and immediately
dismiss all charges rather than admit that there's no jurisdiction.
A.J. got kicked off of whatever system he was on for harassing people
with e-mail; he's moved over to nyx.cs.du.edu, and can be seen from
time to time on alt.conspiracy, where some lunatics there have been
invoking his name on a petition to get Gerry Spence to sue Janet Reno
on behalf of David Koresh.
A.J. was best loved for not just his strange choice of cross-posting,
but for his inability to understand his newsreader, frequently
cross-posting the same article three or four times in one day. When
others pointed out the errors in his posts, his argument technique
would consist of "No, you're wrong, look:" and then repeating the
original canned post. Once, his roommate e-mailed me to thank me
for bothering to respond to A.J.'s posts: apparentally Teel was driving
the lad crazy with his proselytizing, and the roommate eventually
showed Teel how to use the net just to get Teel out of his hair.
I think that all of these folks get their stuff from the same place;
I've seen other posters make the UCC 1-207 claim, and A.J.'s income
tax arguments predate him on the net by at least two years.
I'll give A.J. some credit: at least he seemed to *read* the
newsgroups he posted to. One especially amusing incident came
when A.J. suddenly decided that he disagreed with Mutlu, and started
responding to him. Unfortunately, Teel's sysop removed him from
the system before the infinite recursion feedback and imminent
death of the Net occurred.
--
ted frank | "There never was a Vicki Robinson" -- Citicorp's Erik Sorgatz
the u of c | "Mom said she'd fix those butter sticks rolled in Kool-Aid
law school | you like so much." -- Mark O'Donnell
kibo#=0.5 | Standard disclaimers apply
William VanHorne
>In article <2dr2um$i...@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu> sde...@crick.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu (Stuart P. Derby) writes:
>> Recent talk of McElwaine, cluelessness and net.nuts in general reminded
>>me of one of the more unusual posters to misc.legal, A.J. Teel. While
>>another AFU'er could tell y'all far more about the wonderment of Teel,
>>I feel compelled to share with you all today.
[ ...deleted... ]
>Don't forget that one can invoke UCC 1-207 to get out of speeding tickets.
>
>Also, a long convoluted concept that by saying "admiralty" in court,
>everyone will start to shudder at the power of the word and immediately
>dismiss all charges rather than admit that there's no jurisdiction.
[ ...and more deleted... ]
>I'll give A.J. some credit: at least he seemed to *read* the
>newsgroups he posted to. One especially amusing incident came
>when A.J. suddenly decided that he disagreed with Mutlu, and started
>responding to him. Unfortunately, Teel's sysop removed him from
>the system before the infinite recursion feedback and imminent
>death of the Net occurred.
Speaking of folklore, which we all are doing at all times here on AFU,
it seems to me that we folklorists should be the ones to collect the
history of the famous net.loons who have haunted or still haunt Usenet.
This recap of one of my favorite crazies (A.J. Teel) and the offhand
mention of the Cosar/Mutlu/ZUMABOT entity not only brought a smile of
nostalgia to my face but made me realize that many netters probably
have no idea who McElwaine or Abian or Teel are/were. I can sympathize
since I have no idea who the famous B1FF was, and would love a FAQ
entry on him.
Since there is no alt.folklore.usenet around, how's 'bout we collect
the stories of the great net.loons, past and present, and add it to
our FAQ/FWW/Survival Guide information packet?
I know that there were at one time FAQs floating around for McElwaine
and Serdar Argic (ZUMAOT). Does anyone have them to share? Is there
still an alt.fan.robert.mcelwaine around? Who the hell was B1FF?
---Bill "Yea. I have found my calling and I have heard the word" VanHorne
Paul Tomblin
>I know that there were at one time FAQs floating around for McElwaine
>and Serdar Argic (ZUMAOT). Does anyone have them to share? Is there
>still an alt.fan.robert.mcelwaine around? Who the hell was B1FF?
Ah B1FF! Such memories. Actually, I don't have a _lot_ of B1FF stories to
tell, because at the time it was happening, somebody upstream from me was
forging cancel messages for all of B1FF's postings. However, the B1FF
postings I saw were masteries of parody of the typical "clueless newbie". He
was supposedly posting from his brother's Vic-20, and the headers showed his
return address as bi...@bit.net or bi...@biff.net. They were very hard to
trace. I don't know if the real B1FF ever got caught, although several
people like to claim responsibility, and Kibo will deny responsibility in
such a coy way as to make people think it was him, although I'm reasonably
sure it wasn't.
One of the few postings I did see was a psting by B1FF's girlfriend. Hazy
memory suggests her name might have been Vicki, by I could be mistaken.
I think there is an entry about Biff in the Jargon file.
Now, _real_ old timers like myself will talk about Mark Ethan Smith, but
nowadays, I think Brad Templeton and myself are the only people who remember
him/her.
The MES flame wars were going strong when I started administering a news site
- that's when I first stuck my nose into news.admin where the war was the
strongest. Basically, "Mark" was getting incredibly pissed off that somebody
had found out that "he" was a woman, using a man's name. The main highlights
of the flame war were:
1. Her insistence that female pronouns were "diminuitions" of male pronouns,
and so were patronizing or somehow less serious than male pronouns.
2. Her threatening to sue the person who revealed that she was a woman,
anybody who used a female pronoun when referring to her, and the "Backbone
Cabal" for allowing these "slanderous" truths to be carried.
3. A pleading post from one of MES's co-workers begging us all to ignore her,
since she was getting "even harder than usual" to work with over all this,
and losing what tenuous grip she ever had on reality.
BTW - there are some references to MES in the "Dear Emily Postnews" posting
that shows up in news.announce.newusers and news.answers at regular
intervals.
Paul "And don't ask about JEDR" Tomblin
--
Paul Tomblin - AFU's official "Snide Canadian"
Formerly p...@geovision.gvc.com - now available as ptom...@gandalf.ca
Vicki Robinson was in my sig, but I took her out.
William VanHorne
>Ah B1FF! Such memories......
>Now, _real_ old timers like myself will talk about Mark Ethan Smith, but
>nowadays, I think Brad Templeton and myself are the only people who remember
>him/her....
Yes! Now this is good stuff. Real Usenet folklore. Who will volunteer
to be the keeper of the canonical Net.Loon.List? We will need more
exact dates and things, and maybe even a sample (? is there hope ?) of
their writings.
The dream begins to take shape .... a FAQ of sorts containing a capsule
summary of all the past/present Net.Loons .... who they were/are ....
what they said/say .... a real honest-to-goodness reason for AFU to
exist .... Dan Gannon, Serdar Argic, Alex Abian, Bobby "the man"
McElwaine all in one place .... the mind boggles.
>Paul "And don't ask about JEDR" Tomblin
Ok, I won't
Who was JEDR?
---Bill "liar" VanHorne
Paul Tomblin
>Ok, I won't
>Who was JEDR?
Well, since you didn't ask so nicely:
Johnathan E. D. Richmond was a flash in the pan - but a very determined one.
A long time ago, in a newsgroup far far away (well, it was rec.humor.funny,
of course), Brad Templeton approved and posted a joke involving a Scotsman
and a Jew. Now this joke (which was equally directed at scotsmen and jews)
wasn't very offensive (and not all that funny, come to think of it), but it
was labelled as "offensive to jews and scots" in the header, and rot13. Mr.
Richmond took the trouble to decode it, in spite of the warning, and got
really offended. (I believe he was jewish, not scots). He complained to
anybody who would listen that Brad shouldn't be allowed to post such
anti-semitic literature on the net, that it was hate literature, and Brad must
be a closet nazi. Of course, nobody on the net paid any attention to him, so
he went to the newspapers. First, he hit the Kitchener-Waterloo Record, the
newspaper in Brad's town. Because of the furour over this article, the
Univeristy of Waterloo banned rec.humor.funny - and because Waterloo was
Brad's only newsfeed, r.h.f was cut off for a little while until he made
alternate arrangements. Then he went to his local newspaper, which I believe
caused Sanford University to also ban r.h.f - but that didn't last very long.
The third newspaper he approached also did an article, but this one ridiculed
Mr Richmond's attempts to solve the world's problems by banning a newsgroup -
so he ceased his activitiies, and nobody has heard from him again. The only
aftermath is that sometimes in r.h and r.h.f people use the acronym JEDR
(which supposedly stands for Joke Ethnic/Denomination/Race, and NOT Johnathan
E.D.Richmond), and there are now those "Monthly Policy" postings on r.h.f.
Paul "Scourge of the net from 1987" Tomblin
William VanHorne
>We must not forget Hanu and his "space potato". I don't know if I still
>have any examples of his "scientific theories", but they were classics.
>He even went to the extreme of changing his posting name, with every post,
>so people could not put it in their kill files - as he felt people should
>not be able to ignore his posts.
Thanks, Bill, I had forgotten Hannu! How could I have ever forgotten
Hannu? I'll have to go over to sci.physics and see if he's still
around.
For those who missed Hannu Whatever-his-last-name-is, he appeared on
sci.physics about 2 years ago with all sorts of strange theories about
cosmology, and often quoted someone named Hanna-Maria as his source.
Several respondants wondered who Dr. Hanna-Maria was, and where she
had been published, when Hannu revealed that Hanna-Maria was his
*six year old daughter*! Hannu was convinced that God was using
Hanna-Maria as a conduit to reveal the secrets of the universe to
him (several people at his site in Finland reported that he is a
religious kook of some kind). Space potatoes were integral to
Hannu's cosmology (don't ask).
Gawd, I love the Net.Loons.
---Bill "I think I asked for someone else to do this!" VanHorne
bill nelson
:
: Yes! Now this is good stuff. Real Usenet folklore. Who will volunteer
: to be the keeper of the canonical Net.Loon.List? We will need more
: exact dates and things, and maybe even a sample (? is there hope ?) of
: their writings.
We must not forget Hanu and his "space potato". I don't know if I still
have any examples of his "scientific theories", but they were classics.
He even went to the extreme of changing his posting name, with every post,
so people could not put it in their kill files - as he felt people should
not be able to ignore his posts.
Bill
Kim Greer
>Paul Tomblin - AFU's official "Snide Canadian"
>Formerly p...@geovision.gvc.com - now available as ptom...@gandalf.ca
>Vicki Robinson was in my sig, but I took her out.
It may be possible that VR may become the focal point of a whole new set
of net-pranksterism, a mutation from telephone misuse. Imagine the
following email exchange:
userA: "Do you have Vicki Robinson in your .sig?"
userB: "Yes."
userA: "Well, let her out - she's late for work!"
K "could've been a Janitor in a Drum" G
Mr N R Alcock
wvh...@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (William VanHorne) writes:
[ A.J.Teel's legal submission to revoke his birth certificate deleted ]
>Speaking of folklore, which we all are doing at all times here on AFU,
>it seems to me that we folklorists should be the ones to collect the
>history of the famous net.loons who have haunted or still haunt Usenet.
>This recap of one of my favorite crazies (A.J. Teel)
[etc, etc] ^^^^^^^
Now wait a second, Bill.
I know I'm only a newbie, both local (a.f.u) and global (Internet), but I
have to take you up on describing A.J.Teel as 'crazy'.
For those who didn't read the original posting, Mr. Teel's thesis, which
he cogently expressed in boiler-plate legalese, is that the Constitution
*for* (not *of*) the region composed of the various 'United' States and the
Federal Regions of North America, a document which you or I would call the
'Constitution', says that he is a free and sovereign human being. He claims,
reasonably enough, that by holding onto his birth certificate, the State of
Indiana is violating this right, and since the State of Indiana is bound
by the Constitution, above all other laws, he wants to force them to revoke
that certificate.
For one thing, it's clear that Mr. Teel has put in some serious time on the
law books, and for that, much respect to him. I don't know whether his
ideas are legally justified, or (more importantly) whether he can get the
courts to agree with them. Clearly, the US judicial system has never been
perfect, and can easily be swayed by blind prejudice or pressure; it has its
moments of sheer idiocy (like the case of the man who could not be saved from
execution _even by somebody confessing to his crime_); but it equally has its
moments of sheer genius. What other country would permit any of its states
independently to legalise prostitution (only Nevada has done so) or marijuana
(only Alaska has done so)? Where else can a region enforce the Federally
prescribed speed limit of 55 mph - with a five dollar fine? (Montana). In
short, what other system has the greatest potential to give people what they
want - especially the ability to change the law, under the auspices of the
Constitution?
The sort of legal challenge that Mr. Teel is putting to the State of Indiana
is, in my view, _exactly_ what the writers of the Constitution had in mind,
two hundred years ago. The Constitution is their way of telling every person
born a citizen of the United States: These are your freedoms, a birthday
present. People may try to deprive you of them - criminals by violence, or
lower courts by legislation. But as long as you remain a citizen of the
United States, its full might is available to defend those freedoms.
This man is not crazy. He is onto something good.
Now I don't know about A.J.Teel's personal life, and I don't want to. He
may irritate his roommate (god knows, mine irritate me). He may misuse the
Internet (but show me one person, just _one_, whose employer actually
_pays_ them to blow their mouth off on the newsgroups.) Neither of those
warrants the label 'crazy'.
Just my $2.50 worth.
Robert Alcock - an expatriate Yank with a British accent
David DeLaney
Not to mention (but I will anyway) Ludwig Plutonium and abian whatsisname, as
well as L. Detweiler? Can we have a section on how kibo and the other net.gods
are distinct/distinguishable from the net.nuts ("How to tell the birds from
the flowers")?
Dave "just got `The Baby Train' and am reading it even as we speak" DeLaney
--
David DeLaney: dbd@(utkux.utcc | panacea.phys | enigma.phys).utk.edu - collect
them all! Disclaimers: AFAIK, *nobody* speaks for U.T.Knoxville (consistently);
Thinking about this disclaimer (or about high energy theoretical particle __
physics) may cause headaches. .sig virus: Vicki Robinson v2.24; Kibo #: 0 \/
Ted Frank
>For one thing, it's clear that Mr. Teel has put in some serious time on the
>law books
It's not at all clear. To me, it's clear he's using canned formulations
from someone else who's duped him into using or buying them; he was
completely incapable of cogently defending them on misc.legal, and had
not read a number of the cases he cited to. For example, he got a hold
of the briefs for a "winning tax case." With about five minutes of legal
research, I looked up the case where the briefs were used, and found that
the "winner" "won" a two-year vacation at a minimum-security federal
facility, while the judge condemned the hucksters that tricked this guy
into thinking he couldn't pay his income taxes. Teel's first response
was "Well, the guy won on appeal." Two more minutes of research demonstrated
that the appeal was denied. Teel then tried to make the claim that he
never said that the brief was for a winning tax case, just that the tax
case "should have won." Of course, anyone with access to two-day-old posts
could find out differently.
Now, having access to the briefs of a case that took place 2000 miles away,
without being fully aware of the consequences of that case, or what the judge
wrote, is *not* the sign of someone who has put in serious time on the
law books, but, rather, the sign of someone who's been faithfully converted
to some lunatic political principles and takes everything supporting those
principles at face value without an ounce of skeptical thought or bothering
to double-check them. There is no way a rational human being of even
below-average intelligence could spend ten minutes looking at the UCC without
realizing that it has absolutely nothing to do with traffic court.
I would put Teel in the same category as Crocker, except (1) Crocker
appears capable of some independent thought, and (2) Crocker doesn't
cross-post like mad.
>Clearly, the US judicial system has never been
>perfect, and can easily be swayed by blind prejudice or pressure; it has its
>moments of sheer idiocy (like the case of the man who could not be saved from
>execution _even by somebody confessing to his crime_);
Urban legend.
Mr N R Alcock
th...@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>In article <2dv51m$a...@violet.csv.warwick.ac.uk> ie...@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Mr N R Alcock) writes:
>>For one thing, it's clear that Mr. Teel has put in some serious time on the
>
>It's not at all clear. To me, it's clear he's using canned formulations
>from someone else who's duped him into using or buying them; he was
>completely incapable of cogently defending them on misc.legal, and had
>not read a number of the cases he cited to.
Please accept my apologies for talking 'from minimal legal knowledge'
(read 'out of my arse'). Perhaps I meant 'has read at least one book on
law, which is one more than me'. I guess I was too quick to rush to the
defense of somebody who merely sounded like he was saying something
plausible, even though I couldn't really tell if he made sense.
(Or have I just hooked with a hook so sharp I can't even feel it?)
grovel, grovel.
Still - I'm glad nutters like him exist. He kind of reminds me of the
artist W.S.G.Boggs, who prints his own money.
[evidence that Mr. Teel doesn't know what he's on about deleted]
>>Clearly, the US judicial system has never been
>>perfect, and can easily be swayed by blind prejudice or pressure; it has its
>>moments of sheer idiocy (like the case of the man who could not be saved from
>>execution _even by somebody confessing to his crime_);
>
>Urban legend.
I thought there was a case at the moment which turns on this very point?
>ted frank
Robert Alcock, very sheepish.
David DeLaney
(bill nelson) writes:
>: Thanks, Bill, I had forgotten Hannu! How could I have ever forgotten
>: Hannu? I'll have to go over to sci.physics and see if he's still
>: around.
>account name with every posting - to keep people from putting him in
>their kill files. He felt that no one had the right to ignore his
>postings. Fortunately, the postmaster at his site agreed, and made
>sure that he could no longer make posts that couldn't be ignored.
>Bill
He is too. I just glanced into it and the first post that came up (after
"Skipping expired articles" was two screens from him on space-potatoes and
how they're composed of 7 positive-mass neutrinos.
Dave "are those the ones from the tritium experiments?" DeLaney
bill nelson
: In article <1993Dec5.0...@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com> bi...@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson) writes:
:
: Thanks, Bill, I had forgotten Hannu! How could I have ever forgotten
: Hannu? I'll have to go over to sci.physics and see if he's still
: around.
He isn't. He lost posting priviledges, when he started changing his
bill nelson
: For those who didn't read the original posting, Mr. Teel's thesis, which
: he cogently expressed in boiler-plate legalese, is that the Constitution
"Cogently"? That is a matter of opinion. I felt that he stuffed in every
legal term he could find, regardless of its applicability.
: *for* (not *of*) the region composed of the various 'United' States and the
: Federal Regions of North America, a document which you or I would call the
: 'Constitution', says that he is a free and sovereign human being. He claims,
He is simply wrong. The phrase is "of the people, by the people and for the
people". He cannot change that by simply denying their existance.
: reasonably enough, that by holding onto his birth certificate, the State of
: Indiana is violating this right, and since the State of Indiana is bound
: by the Constitution, above all other laws, he wants to force them to revoke
: that certificate.
What right? How does it keep him from being either free or sovereign. I saw
nothing in his gibberish to support such a claim.
: For one thing, it's clear that Mr. Teel has put in some serious time on the
: law books, and for that, much respect to him. I don't know whether his
I doubt that. He certaily does not seem to understand the usage of the argot.
It simply appears that he grabbed some boiler plate, then embellished it in
ways that he thought improved it.
... deleted ...
: This man is not crazy. He is onto something good.
I disagree. Whether he is crazy or simply deluded, is not something I
can address. However, it does appear that he has grabbed onto an idea
with a fanatical zeal. As with most fanatics, there is no way he will
see or listen to any idea that does not agree with his predetermined
beliefs.
Bill
Ted Frank
>Still - I'm glad nutters like him exist. He kind of reminds me of the
>artist W.S.G.Boggs, who prints his own money.
Oh, I love Boggs. But is Boggs a "nut"? Boggs is more like Kibo than
like Teel.
(ObInternet: I've been in e-mail correspondence with a lawyer working
on the Boggs case. Hence, my Boggs number is 2, and most afu'ers
have Boggs numbers of 3 or 4."
>>>Clearly, the US judicial system has never been
>>>perfect, and can easily be swayed by blind prejudice or pressure; it has its
>>>moments of sheer idiocy (like the case of the man who could not be saved from
>>>execution _even by somebody confessing to his crime_);
>>
>>Urban legend.
>
>I thought there was a case at the moment which turns on this very point?
There is, no doubt, a case described by the media in the terms you mention,
egged on by defense and anti-death-penalty lawyers, but there aren't any
*actual* cases fitting those facts -- merely cases where somebody suddenly
"remembers" that X, dead for eight years, admitted to committing the murder
that Y is being executed for, after Y had been convicted on not-so-weak
circumstantial evidence, including a confession.
Ray Depew
us and asks:
: still an alt.fan.robert.mcelwaine around? Who the hell was B1FF?
Who has been on the net long enough to have read a B1FF posting *in the
original?*
L8R D00DZ,
Ray "I have" Depew
William VanHorne
>:
>: Thanks, Bill, I had forgotten Hannu! How could I have ever forgotten
>: Hannu? I'll have to go over to sci.physics and see if he's still
>: around.
>
>He isn't. He lost posting priviledges, when he started changing his
>account name with every posting - to keep people from putting him in
>their kill files. He felt that no one had the right to ignore his
>postings. Fortunately, the postmaster at his site agreed, and made
>sure that he could no longer make posts that couldn't be ignored.
Au contraire, mon frere. Hannu is alive and well and posting his
space-potato theories to sci.physics from a freenet site in Finland.
---Bill "building the list" VanHorne
bill nelson
: >He isn't. He lost posting privileges, when he started changing his
: >account name with every posting - to keep people from putting him in
: >their kill files. He felt that no one had the right to ignore his
: >postings. Fortunately, the postmaster at his site agreed, and made
: >sure that he could no longer make posts that couldn't be ignored.
: >Bill
:
: He is too. I just glanced into it and the first post that came up (after
: "Skipping expired articles" was two screens from him on space-potatoes and
: how they're composed of 7 positive-mass neutrinos.
Hm, I wonder why the postmaster relented? Maybe Hannu promised to be a
nice polite imbecile, and only use one name from now on.
Bill
bill nelson
: William VanHorne (wvh...@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu) gets existential on
: us and asks:
:
: : still an alt.fan.robert.mcelwaine around? Who the hell was B1FF?
:
: Who has been on the net long enough to have read a B1FF posting *in the
: original?*
I have - many of them. I think I am #2 or #3 of the B1FF fAnn c1UB.
Bill
drunk in the snow with a gun
i know, but i'm not telling.
m
does anybody remember mark ethan smith?
--
"INside I'm CRAWLING with TENDERMINTS but OUTside all HOO-RAW!" - Pogo
No parking EXCEPT FOR BOB
>
>Since there is no alt.folklore.usenet around, how's 'bout we collect
>the stories of the great net.loons, past and present, and add it to
>our FAQ/FWW/Survival Guide information packet?
I know this has proven a popular subject already, but I thought
I'd mention anyway that this sort of thing is one subject I'd prefer
be covered in alt.folklore.computers, where it clearly belongs
more properly than here.
Bob O`Bob
--
William VanHorne
>r...@fc.hp.com (Ray Depew) writes:
>: Who has been on the net long enough to have read a B1FF posting *in the
>: original?*
>
>I have - many of them. I think I am #2 or #3 of the B1FF fAnn c1UB.
Cha-ching. Did you, by chance, keep any of them? Would you be willing
to write a paragraph or three about B1FF for the Net.Legends List?
---Bill "and balance my checkbook?" VanHorne
Dan Mckinnon
? What has the Starship Enterprise's serial number got to do with
speeding?
Dan "Warp double nickels, Mr. Zulu" McKinnon
---
* OLX 2.1 TD * Sure, when OINK FLAP OINK FLAP ... I'll be damned.
Richard Joltes
>Who has been on the net long enough to have read a B1FF posting *in the
>original?*
>
>L8R D00DZ,
>Ray "I have" Depew
<Sigh...> I have as well.
DO YOUZ NEED HELP MANAGING THESE B-BOARDS??? I CAN DO IT, D00DZ!
Hey, where'd that come from?
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Manager, Microcomputing and Hardware, Computer Services|jol...@husc.BITNET
Harvard University Science Center |
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
"It was generally considered by everyone else in the kingdom that the only
thing that might slow Greebo the cat down was a direct meteorite strike."
--Terry Pratchett, _Wyrd Sisters_
bill nelson
: In article <1993Dec7.0...@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com> bi...@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com (bill nelson) writes:
:
: >: Who has been on the net long enough to have read a B1FF posting *in the
: >: original?*
: >
: >I have - many of them. I think I am #2 or #3 of the B1FF fAnn c1UB.
:
: Cha-ching. Did you, by chance, keep any of them? Would you be willing
: to write a paragraph or three about B1FF for the Net.Legends List?
I will have to check - I may have kept some. I think a short example, if
I can find it, would be the best entry for B1FF.
: ---Bill "and balance my checkbook?" VanHorne
Sure. I will balance your checkbook - if you can figure out how to balance
mine.
Bill "How can I be out of money, when I have all those checks left?" Nelson
bill nelson
: wvh...@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (William VanHorne) writes:
: : >
: : >I have - many of them. I think I am #2 or #3 of the B1FF fAnn c1UB.
: :
: : Cha-ching. Did you, by chance, keep any of them? Would you be willing
: : to write a paragraph or three about B1FF for the Net.Legends List?
:
: I will have to check - I may have kept some. I think a short example, if
: I can find it, would be the best entry for B1FF.
Sorry - I cannot find any. Maybe someone else kept some of them.
Bill
Aaron Barnhart
:
:This man is not crazy. He is onto something good.
I just tuned in ... is he talking about recently-paroled Lyndon
LaRouche? Recently-cremated Frank Zappa? Recently-nominated
Dan Quayle? Recently-indicted Michael Jackson?
Aaron "four nets out" Barnhart
Bill Newcomb
->I just tuned in ... is he talking about recently-paroled Lyndon
->LaRouche? Recently-cremated Frank Zappa? Recently-nominated
->Dan Quayle? Recently-indicted Michael Jackson?
I think Zappa would even now still be selected from this list as "most
sentient".
Bill
--
Bill Newcomb I ask you what to say/ with our eyes and our antennae
nu...@netcom.com -The hon. rev. Fred Lane
Don Dillon
rec.star.trek or some such. Doing it this way is like trying to catch fish
in your bathtub.
don ( back off, I have a Zebco 2000 and 20lb leader ) dillon
Dan Mckinnon (dan.mc...@canrem.com) wrote:
: TH>Don't forget that one can invoke UCC 1-207 to get out of speeding tickets.
Orion Auld
>TH>Don't forget that one can invoke UCC 1-207 to get out of speeding tickets.
> ? What has the Starship Enterprise's serial number got to do with
>speeding?
The Enterprise's number was UCC *1701*, not 1207. Jeez. You'd think the
people on alt.folklore.urban would be more accrate.
--
***** Orion Auld ***** *----------------------------------------------*
"We are only fabulous | /~\ This message is smiley-captioned |
beasts, after all." | O O for the humor impaired. |
-- John Ashberry *----------------------------------------------*
Ted Frank
>Hey, how do you expect to get bites if you don't crosspost this to
>rec.star.trek or some such. Doing it this way is like trying to catch fish
>in your bathtub.
Ah, Don! Never underestimate troll potential! There's always someone
willing to correct the unaccrated post.
Orion Auld writes:
>>TH>Don't forget that one can invoke UCC 1-207 to get out of speeding tickets.
>
>> ? What has the Starship Enterprise's serial number got to do with
>>speeding?
>
>The Enterprise's number was UCC *1701*, not 1207. Jeez. You'd think the
>people on alt.folklore.urban would be more accrate.
>
>--
>***** Orion Auld ***** *----------------------------------------------*
Alan J Rosenthal
>Now, _real_ old timers like myself will talk about Mark Ethan Smith, but
>nowadays, I think Brad Templeton and myself are the only people who remember
>him/her.
Now now, don't be so snide (tm). There are plenty of us who remember him.
And B1FF. You've only participated in usenet news since 1987? Ha! And Brad
Templeton isn't exactly the long-time-est person on the net either. He dates
from about the same time as you I think, no?
And r...@fc.hp.com (Ray Depew) writes:
>Who has been on the net long enough to have read a B1FF posting *in the
>original?*
Lots of us. I assure you.
Sheesh, next you're going to start believing in the small-world "hypothesis".
--
I'm not going to do the penis-waving thing of pulling out my own year of net-
initiation, but y'all just remember, there's lots of people out here. And the
people who founded the net (before my time) haven't gone away either. Although
admittedly Dennis Ritchie no longer posts to comp.lang.c.
Note: This posting is troll-free. Further details on any of the topics vaguely
touched upon here are available by e-mail.
Alan "ok, I admit this posting was more grumpy than required" Rosenthal
Alan "but I *like* being grumpy!" Rosenthal
ObVicki: Of the 46 postings which contain smilies currently online at my site
in sci.physics, none is by Vicki Robinson. Although one is by Christopher
Neufeld. But admittedly he was quoting another article, from sci.chem last
month. Or so he claims.
Mark Pilgrim
: Jeez. You'd think the people on alt.folklore.urban would be more accrate.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
MOTTO! MOTTO! (Misspellings and all...)
Mark "will nitpick for food" Pilgrim
--
Mark Pilgrim | f8...@netaxs.com | Please do not worry the philosophers.
"I can't say enough about the importance of brevity."
John William Chambless
>
[ list of famous crazy people deleted ]
>I think Zappa would even now still be selected from this list as "most
>sentient".
Definitely.
He was pointing out the utter stupidity of most os society before things were
anywhere NEAR as bad as they are now.
"Drop out now before your mind rots from exposutre to our educational
system."
"If your children knew how LAME you are, they'd kill you in your sleep."
{ both Zappa quotes...the first is from about 1964, the second is
from about 1971 }
--
* Billy Chambless University of Southern Mississippi
* "If you lie to the compiler, it will get its revenge." Henry Spencer
Tim A. Dowd
th...@kimbark.uchicago.edu writes:
(quoting Orion Auld)
>>The Enterprise's number was UCC *1701*, not 1207. Jeez. You'd think the
>>people on alt.folklore.urban would be more accrate.
Motto! Mott...? Is "Jeez" the same as "furrfu"?
Tim "I would? Why would I think _that_?" Dowd
"Conceived in Heaven, brewed in Modesto."--St. Stans Brewery
Michael Hensley
: In article <1993Dec10....@midway.uchicago.edu> Ted Frank,
: th...@kimbark.uchicago.edu writes:
: (quoting Orion Auld)
: >>The Enterprise's number was UCC *1701*, not 1207. Jeez. You'd think the
: >>people on alt.folklore.urban would be more accrate.
: Motto! Mott...? Is "Jeez" the same as "furrfu"?
No, "Jeez" is the same as "Wrrm"!
: Tim "I would? Why would I think _that_?" Dowd
: "Conceived in Heaven, brewed in Modesto."--St. Stans Brewery
Michael "Want me to teach you the secret handshake?" Hensley
--
Michael D. Hensley | It will be a cold day in heck before I follow-up
mhen...@netcom.com | a Ted Frank troll^H^H^H^H^Hpost.
7070...@compuserve.com | Vicki Robinson quote removed -- my wife kept
Prodigy: Just say "NO". | asking who this Vicki person was.
Jacco Zwetsloot
Hi guys
ww>Speaking of folklore, which we all are doing at all times here on AFU,
ww>it seems to me that we folklorists should be the ones to collect the
ww>history of the famous net.loons who have haunted or still haunt Usenet.
ww>This recap of one of my favorite crazies (A.J. Teel) and the offhand
ww>mention of the Cosar/Mutlu/ZUMABOT entity not only brought a smile of
ww>nostalgia to my face but made me realize that many netters probably
ww>have no idea who McElwaine or Abian or Teel are/were. I can
ww>sympathize since I have no idea who the famous B1FF was, and would love
ww>a FAQ entry on him.
ww>Since there is no alt.folklore.usenet around, how's 'bout we collect
ww>the stories of the great net.loons, past and present, and add it to
ww>our FAQ/FWW/Survival Guide information packet?
Yay! Excellent! About time! I've always wanted to know about net.loons past
and present. I've only ever had contact with one of them, the short lived
(but no doubt fondly remembered) John_-_...@portal.com or something like
that. Remember John_-_Winston, whose trademark _-_ became a byword on AFU for
really shonky posts for a few weeks at least.
I can't wait to see a list or article on net.loons big and small.
Cheers guys, keep up the good work
Jacco `and then there's that Kibo chap' Z
* Origin: Empire BBS +61-3-591-0020, 592-5662 (3:635/550)
Jacco Zwetsloot
Hi there
dd>From: d...@martha.utcc.utk.edu (David DeLaney)
dd>Organization: U. Tenn. Knoxville/Physics Dept.
dd>>: Hannu? I'll have to go over to sci.physics and see if he's still
dd>>: around.
dd>>He isn't. He lost posting privileges, when he started changing his
dd>>account name with every posting - to keep people from putting him in
dd>>their kill files. He felt that no one had the right to ignore his
dd>>postings. Fortunately, the postmaster at his site agreed, and made
dd>>sure that he could no longer make posts that couldn't be ignored.
dd>>Bill
dd>He is too. I just glanced into it and the first post that
dd>came up (after
dd>"Skipping expired articles" was two screens from him on
dd>space-potatoes and
dd>how they're composed of 7 positive-mass neutrinos.
Is there any chance you could repost 1 or 2 of his messages here, please, just
to give us a sample of his stuff? My BBS doesn't carry that particular
newsgroup. I'd love to see some real net.looney.text
Cheers
Jacco `will eat space potatoes for food' Z
* Origin: Empire BBS +61-3-591-0020, 592-5662 (3:632/530)
Kivi Shapiro
Jacco Zwetsloot <Jacco.Z...@f550.n635.z3.fidonet.org> wrote:
> I've only ever had contact with one of them, the short lived
> (but no doubt fondly remembered) John_-_...@portal.com or something like
> that. Remember John_-_Winston, whose trademark _-_ became a byword on AFU for
> really shonky posts for a few weeks at least.
Actually, John_-_Winston is alive and well and posting to
alt.religion.kibology. Here's one of his recent opi:
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Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.conspiracy,alt.religion.kibology
Subject: Past Lives On Other Planets.
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Subject: Past Lives On Other Planet.
Many people wonder what planet they have lived on during a previous
livetime. Here is some information about how to find out where you
came from...........................................................
Here is an interesting excerpt from Issue 91-11 of the newsletter
_Revelations of Awareness_, published by Cosmic Awareness Communications.
This excerpt is about how to find out what your original star system is --
that is, where your Soul originally came from (at least that is how I
understand it). This information is "Copyright 1991 by Cosmic Awareness
Communications & The Aquarian Church of Universal Service. Reproduction is
permitted, but no alterations may be made without express permission."
HOW TO FIND OUT WHERE YOU CAME FROM
(Your Original Star System)
QUESTION:
One final question; this from B.S., in York, Pennsylvania. It's a personal
question but it sort of ties in with information given, particularly last
night. She writes: "Lately, I've got this burning desire to know who and
what I am. I know I'm not from here, but I'm not comfortable thinking I'm
from the Pleiades either. There are a lot of things about my channel that
are so different from anyone else, I don't even know quite how to use it.
Someday I'll write a book. It's become almost an obsession. Does Awareness
offer any advice for nuts like me who feel they just must know?"
COSMIC AWARENESS:
This Awareness suggests that your best approach in discovering where you
are from may lie in your dreams at night. This Awareness suggests you think
very deeply about your origin prior to your earth incarnation, and think
about this up to bed time. Put a piece of paper or notebook beside your bed,
along with a pencil or pen, and before going to sleep, indicate to yourself
that you want to know where you are from, what planetary system or star
system you are from, and that you want to visit your home planetary system
in your dream, and you want to be able to remember this upon awakening.
If you indicate this strongly to yourself, and then go to sleep, there is
a good chance that you will either have a dream of travelling to your home
planet, and meeting old friends there and discovering things about yourself,
or you will get the answer during your sleep, and upon awakening, it is
important that you write this down immediately. If you wait and go back to
sleep it will be forgotten the next time you awaken.
This Awarness indicates if it does not occur on the first night, try try
again, until it does occur. Eventually, if you continue in this quest you
will get your answer.
Source Of Information: Chris L.
John Winston.
--
- Kivi
jksh...@descartes.uwaterloo.ca (Kivi Shapiro)
But I'm not in Vicki Robinson's .sig!
This message is in the public domain.
Kenny Bob (M.K.) Edwards
eternal vigilance is the price of freedom, I think I'll stroll around
the corner and shop some more. <plonk> into the killfile Mr. Zwetsloot
goes.
Just to wash the bad taste of noise out of my mouth, I'll throw in an
UL I haven't seen here. An astrophysicist friend who watched the Space
Shuttle mission to reel in Huble told me that Space Shuttle exhaust is
disrupting the Van Halen belts that protect the Earth from cosmic
rays. He said that if they keep it up, pretty soon we'll all need to
line our houses with lead (or some other heavy metal) to protect us
from the neutrons raining down on us instead of making the Aura
Borealis. Can anyone refute this?
Mike "lead-skivvies-`R'-us" Edwards
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>Shuttle mission to reel in Huble told me that Space Shuttle exhaust is
>disrupting the Van Halen belts that protect the Earth from cosmic
>rays. He said that if they keep it up, pretty soon we'll all need to
Van Halen belts?!?!?!?! Hahahahahaha
Was that a slip or were you trying to be funny?
Good one! :)
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Kenny Bob (M.K.) Edwards <medw...@minos.Princeton.EDU> wrote:
>Just to wash the bad taste of noise out of my mouth, I'll throw in an
>UL I haven't seen here.
Yeah, right.
> An astrophysicist friend who watched the Space
>Shuttle mission to reel in Huble told me that Space Shuttle exhaust is
>disrupting the Van Halen belts that protect the Earth from cosmic
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ black leather or elastic? Ed wears both!
>rays. He said that if they keep it up, pretty soon we'll all need to
>line our houses with lead (or some other heavy metal) to protect us
^^^^^^^^^^^ Van Halen!? Ha!
>from the neutrons raining down on us instead of making the Aura
>Borealis. Can anyone refute this?
^^^^^^^^ Don't you mean the Aura Coriolis?
The crossposts give you away, my friend.
ObUL: The "Bay Area Gangs," when not slugging BART commuters, use
the Silicon Valley computer networks to propagate Snapple rumors.
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David DeLaney
medw...@minos.Princeton.EDU (Kenny Bob (M.K.) Edwards) writes:
>Just to wash the bad taste of noise out of my mouth, I'll throw in an
>UL I haven't seen here. An astrophysicist friend who watched the Space
>disrupting the Van Halen belts that protect the Earth from cosmic
>rays. He said that if they keep it up, pretty soon we'll all need to
>line our houses with lead (or some other heavy metal) to protect us
>from the neutrons raining down on us instead of making the Aura
>Borealis. Can anyone refute this?
>Mike "lead-skivvies-`R'-us" Edwards
Yes, I know it's probably a troll-from-heck, but I'd like to address the
question actually asked (for once): If anything, SS exhaust would *add* to
the "protection", which is basically charged particles captured by and swirling
along the magnetic field of the Earth, leaking out at the poles (hence the
aurorae) and being constantly replenished by the solar wind. A few more ions
from the shuttle aren't gonna screw it up much at all (they'll just swirl
merrily along with the rest), and no way is the shuttle going to disrupt the
magnetic field of the Earth severely enough that we all get starburned (it
takes solar-flare-type energies to do that). Although exposure to cosmic rays
would probably only improve Van Halen's musical abilities...
And it isn't neutrons "raining down on us" either (can you say 18-minute
half-life, boys'n'girls?) - it's charged particles (electrons, positrons, very
light nuclei) - if they aren't charged, they don't get accelerated (generally)
into cosmic rays.
Dave "physics backwards-R us" DeLaney
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William E. Smith
medw...@minos.Princeton.EDU (Kenny Bob (M.K.) Edwards) wrote:
> Just to wash the bad taste of noise out of my mouth, I'll throw in an
> UL I haven't seen here. An astrophysicist friend who watched the Space
> Shuttle mission to reel in Huble told me that Space Shuttle exhaust is
> disrupting the Van Halen belts that protect the Earth from cosmic
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> rays. He said that if they keep it up, pretty soon we'll all need to
> line our houses with lead (or some other heavy metal) to protect us
^^^^^^^^^^^
> from the neutrons raining down on us instead of making the Aura
> Borealis. Can anyone refute this?
>
ObJoke?
It's the Van Allen belts, sheesh!
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Caleb Epstein
| An astrophysicist friend who watched the Space
| Shuttle mission to reel in Huble told me that Space Shuttle exhaust is
| disrupting the Van Halen belts that protect the Earth from cosmic
| rays.
Umm. Wouldn't that be the Van Allen belts, or has Michael
Anthony's gut gotten so large that he's now in orbit around the Earth?
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Mike Quigley
?medw...@minos.Princeton.EDU (Kenny Bob (M.K.) Edwards) wrote:
?
?| An astrophysicist friend who watched the Space
?| Shuttle mission to reel in Huble told me that Space Shuttle exhaust is
?| disrupting the Van Halen belts that protect the Earth from cosmic
?| rays.
?
? Umm. Wouldn't that be the Van Allen belts, or has Michael
?Anthony's gut gotten so large that he's now in orbit around the Earth?
?
Nope, he's talking about the belts of Ol' Grandad that Eddie
knocks down before each show!
Mike
Kenny Bob (M.K.) Edwards
nothing to do with the Van Allen belts, which may be a threat to
astronauts in the shuttle (there is a region where the stream of
charged particles intersects the higher end of the Shuttle's orbit
envelope) but aren't subject to disruption -- the Earth's geomagnetic
field is stopping them from impacting the atmosphere all over, rather
than forming the Aurora Borealis (and Australis). (Neutrons, of
course, are unaffected.)
The risk supposedly posed by shuttle flights is to the ozone layer.
Perhaps some of the local atmospheric scientists can repeat the
rigorous debunking of this alarmist contention recently performed by a
conference on the atmosphere.
By the way, whose spell-checker has Hubble in the dictionary? As I
recall, a truly blatant troll has to contain "troll" and deliberate
misspellings, and "s troll" and "Huble" / "Aura Borealis" ought to
qualify. Sic! Sic!
Mike "will fake brain damage for food" Edwards
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Dave Budd
>disrupting the Van Halen belts that protect the Earth from cosmic
>rays. He said that if they keep it up, pretty soon we'll all need to
I thought Van Halen's name was Eddie, not ray, but I'm English and I like
Steely Dan, so what do I know?
Dave "I think the people down the hall know who you are" Budd
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Tim A. Dowd
mhen...@netcom.com writes:
>Tim A. Dowd posted:
>: Motto! Mott...? Is "Jeez" the same as "furrfu"?
>
>No, "Jeez" is the same as "Wrrm"!
Ah. Thanks, must've been the double 'r' that fooled me.
Tim "Imagine that." Dowd
Tim A. Dowd
medw...@minos.Princeton.EDU writes:
>Actually, it's a bit of a meta-troll. The UL being referenced has
My favorite part of this particular troll is the way the catch sniffed
at the bait and looked at it from all sides and then laughingly pointed
at the hook and said "Isn't that k001?" before chowing down. Quite
amusing, really.
Tim "No, _really_." Dowd
kje...@gothamcity.jsc.nasa.gov
: ww>Speaking of folklore, which we all are doing at all times here on AFU,
: ww>it seems to me that we folklorists should be the ones to collect the
: ww>history of the famous net.loons who have haunted or still haunt Usenet.
: ww>This recap of one of my favorite crazies (A.J. Teel) and the offhand
: ww>mention of the Cosar/Mutlu/ZUMABOT entity not only brought a smile of
: ww>nostalgia to my face but made me realize that many netters probably
: ww>have no idea who McElwaine or Abian or Teel are/were. I can
: ww>sympathize since I have no idea who the famous B1FF was, and would love
: ww>a FAQ entry on him.
: ww>Since there is no alt.folklore.usenet around, how's 'bout we collect
: ww>the stories of the great net.loons, past and present, and add it to
: ww>our FAQ/FWW/Survival Guide information packet?
(Was that Willard Whyte?)
Jacco Zwetsloot (Jacco.Z...@f550.n635.z3.fidonet.org) replied:
[...]
: I can't wait to see a list or article on net.loons big and small.
Cool idea!
Plan A) newgroup alt.net.loons
Plan B) Use a.f.u
Plan C) Use alt.culture.usenet
Now, back to my customary lurking....
-- Ken Jenks, NASA
kje...@gothamcity.jsc.nasa.gov (713) 483-4368
"Words wound. But as a vetran of twelve years in the United
States Senate, I happily attest that they do not kill."
-- Lyndon B. Johnson
Helge Moulding
: OK, my bozometer just pegged. With apologies to Ben Franklin, if
: eternal vigilance is the price of freedom, I think I'll stroll around
: the corner and shop some more. <plonk> into the killfile Mr. Zwetsloot
: goes.
Kenny me boyo, glass houses and what, eh?
: (Your troll was here)
Three catches. Not bad, but with a crossposting list like that you'd
think that it'd be out of bounds. What do you think?
Helge "My bozo meter is always pegged while I am holding it" Moulding
(Just another guy with a weird name)
Helge Moulding
: Dave "physics backwards-R us" DeLaney
Let's make sure we do this right, boys and girls, that's
"___________-Yah-Us"
as in the character from the cyrillic alphabet which looks
like a backwards "R".
ObCyril: Saint Cyril not only created the Cyrillic alphabets (from
the Greek with a few odds and ends tossed in) and wrote the first
Russian dictionary (call me Webster), but he is responsible for the
fact that Russian only has five irregular verbs!
Helge "So why couldn't he do the same for French?" Moulding
Ted Frank
>David DeLaney attempts:
>: Dave "physics backwards-R us" DeLaney
>
>Let's make sure we do this right, boys and girls, that's
> "___________-Yah-Us"
>as in the character from the cyrillic alphabet which looks
>like a backwards "R".
The official legal name of Toys "R" Us is, not surprisingly,
Toys "R" US, Inc.
See, for example, 559 F. Supp. 1189.
The backwards-R is just a fanciful part of the logo, like the strange
double-x in Standa^H^H^H^H^H^HExxon.
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Rick Kitchen
In a previous article, h...@unislc.slc.unisys.com (Helge Moulding) says:
>ObCyril: Saint Cyril not only created the Cyrillic alphabets (from
>the Greek with a few odds and ends tossed in) and wrote the first
>Russian dictionary (call me Webster), but he is responsible for the
>fact that Russian only has five irregular verbs!
I'll bite. Why did he decide that there should be five irregular verbs?
Rick "U menya Rik" Kitchen
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David DeLaney
writes:
>In article <1993Dec16.1...@unislc.slc.unisys.com>
h...@unislc.slc.unisys.com (Helge Moulding) writes:
>>David DeLaney attempts:
>>: Dave "physics backwards-R us" DeLaney
>>Let's make sure we do this right, boys and girls, that's
>> "___________-Yah-Us"
>>as in the character from the cyrillic alphabet which looks
>>like a backwards "R".
>The official legal name of Toys "R" Us is, not surprisingly,
>Toys "R" US, Inc.
>See, for example, 559 F. Supp. 1189.
>The backwards-R is just a fanciful part of the logo, like the strange
>double-x in Standa^H^H^H^H^H^HExxon.
And of course, south of the equator, it's upside-down instead.
Dave "I was told I wouldn't have to learn Russian for this profession" DeLaney
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Derek Tearne
>In article <MEDWARDS.93...@minos.Princeton.EDU> medw...@minos.Princeton.EDU (Kenny Bob (M.K.) Edwards) writes:
>
>>disrupting the Van Halen belts that protect the Earth from cosmic
>>rays. He said that if they keep it up, pretty soon we'll all need to
>
>I thought Van Halen's name was Eddie, not ray, but I'm English and I like
>Steely Dan, so what do I know?
Never heard of them. I think you must mean Steeleye Span?
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>
>In a previous article, h...@unislc.slc.unisys.com (Helge Moulding) says:
>
>>ObCyril: Saint Cyril not only created the Cyrillic alphabets (from
>>the Greek with a few odds and ends tossed in) and wrote the first
>>Russian dictionary (call me Webster), but he is responsible for the
>>fact that Russian only has five irregular verbs!
>
>I'll bite. Why did he decide that there should be five irregular verbs?
Which ones? It's really hard to say what constitutes an irregular verb in
Russian and what doesn't.
Dan "Pervaya veshch'-nyet prisutstvuyushchevo vremya << byt'>>"
Daniel Case State University of New York at Buffalo
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Michael Moroney
>And it isn't neutrons "raining down on us" either (can you say 18-minute
>half-life, boys'n'girls?) - it's charged particles (electrons, positrons, very
>light nuclei) - if they aren't charged, they don't get accelerated (generally)
>into cosmic rays.
You'll still get neutrons. The process is, cosmic ray hits nucleus of some
air atom, which sprays junk (including neutrons) down at you. This is how
carbon-14 (used in radiocarbon dating) is formed, neutron (from above
process) hits nitrogen-14 atom, knocks out a proton, voila, C-14.
There are also lots of muons raining down on you right now from the same
process that forms the neutrons, despite that they have a <mumble>
microsecond half-life.
-Mike
David DeLaney
>TO: dbd
>Hi there
this is a newsgroup, not a bbs... (all attributions seem to've been lost;
levels 2 and 4 are me)
> dd>>: Hannu? I'll have to go over to sci.physics and see if he's still
> dd>>: around.
> dd>>He isn't. He lost posting privileges, when he started changing his
> dd>>account name with every posting - to keep people from putting him in
> dd>>their kill files. He felt that no one had the right to ignore his
> dd>>postings. Fortunately, the postmaster at his site agreed, and made
> dd>>sure that he could no longer make posts that couldn't be ignored.
> dd>>Bill
> dd>He is too. I just glanced into it and the first post that
> dd>space-potatoes and how they're composed of 7 positive-mass neutrinos.
>Is there any chance you could repost 1 or 2 of his messages here, please, just
> to give us a sample of his stuff? My BBS doesn't carry that particular
> newsgroup. I'd love to see some real net.looney.text
sorry, no un-expired posts of his are there at present; I'll keep an eye out for
a few days (if I remember). There will be miniFAQs for a few net.legends
available, when we're done...
Dave "but thanx for asking" DeLaney
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Helge Moulding
: ...
: I'll bite. Why did he decide that there should be five irregular verbs?
Now I'll probably get into trouble with someone who *really* knows
Russian - I only took it for a couple of years in college - *yeeears* ago.
Anyway, our prof was from Moscow herself, trying out sort of an immersion
teaching technique. I had already had English (as a second language) and
French (a third), and was wondering about irregular verbs. (All verbs to
that point appeared to be regular, with the exception of "to be" and
"to have," and possibly another one which I don't even remember now.)
She said there were only five. As far as my memory serves me, she offered
no explanation. I happened to run across the information that St Cyril
was responsible for writing the first Russian dictionary, and in the
process created the grammatical rules for the language.
I figured that creating the rules included the rules for conjugation.
And since there are only five irregular verbs, that must have been his
responsibility since even a sensible language like Spanish sports dozens
of irregular verbs. (Let's not talk about Latin, ok?)
Helge "Me make stuff up? Never!" Moulding
Ray Depew
Helge Moulding (h...@unislc.slc.unisys.com) wrote:
: She said there were only five. As far as my memory serves me, she offered
: no explanation. I happened to run across the information that St Cyril
: was responsible for writing the first Russian dictionary, and in the
: process created the grammatical rules for the language.
So, what did the Russians speak before they spoke Russian?
Regards
Ray
Paul Tomblin
>So, what did the Russians speak before they spoke Russian?
French, of course. Didn't you read War and Peace.
Paul "No relation to Warren Pease" Tomblin
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Daniel B Case
Old Church Slavonic, which even today serves the Russian Orthodox Church in
the same way Latin used to serve the Roman Catholic Church.
Dan "Not nynorsk OR bokmaal, contrary to popular belief" Case
Ted Frank
Which reminds me of the apocryphal urban legend of some right-wing
McDougall-type complaining about the money schools were spending on
foreign language programs: "If God wanted people to learn foreign
languages, he wouldn't have written the Bible in English."
David DeLaney
Greek, of course.
Dave "Konstantinople" DeLaney
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Helge Moulding
: In article <CICqy...@fc.hp.com>, r...@fc.hp.com (Ray Depew) writes...
: >Serious question for linguists of eastern European bent/extraction/hobby:
: >
: >
: >: She said there were only five. As far as my memory serves me, she offered
: >: no explanation. I happened to run across the information that St Cyril
: >: was responsible for writing the first Russian dictionary, and in the
: >: process created the grammatical rules for the language.
: >
: >So, what did the Russians speak before they spoke Russian?
: Old Church Slavonic, which even today serves the Russian Orthodox Church in
: the same way Latin used to serve the Roman Catholic Church.
: Dan "Not nynorsk OR bokmaal, contrary to popular belief" Case
Foo - not knowing the first of what anything is here, and not having the
time to research it, I am wondering if there is anyone who is seriously
interested in setting us all straight, without dangling any bait...
Helge "They've gotta be hand-tied for me, anyway." Moulding
Cynthia Kandolf
>Serious question for linguists of eastern European
>bent/extraction/hobby:
Will i do in a pinch?
>
>Helge Moulding (h...@unislc.slc.unisys.com) wrote:
>
>: She said there were only five. As far as my memory serves me, she
offered
>: no explanation. I happened to run across the information that St
Cyril
>: was responsible for writing the first Russian dictionary, and in the
>: process created the grammatical rules for the language.
>
>So, what did the Russians speak before they spoke Russian?
Well, to answer your question first... before they spoke Russian, they
wouldn't have been called Russians. I know, clear as mud. To put it
another way, Cyril and his sidekick (Methodius or something... it's
been a while since i've heard his name) didn't invent Russian. The
Russians had been speaking it for eons before the missionaries came
along; they just didn't have a way of writing it down.
Back to Helge now: To comment on what you've said i have to talk a
little about the word grammar. Most people are familiar with this
term from school, where it meant that peculiar torture invented by
school teachers to convince you that even if every single person in
the entire universe says "ain't", you are not permitted to do so, and
God will send a lightning strike down to burn you to a crisp if you
ever even try it. Or something like that. Memories of Catholic
school get a little fuzzy sometimes, especially when my medication is
working as it should.
*Ahem*. However, there is another definition of "grammar", and that
simply means the structure of a language, the way words and parts of
words are put together to form phrases and sentences. You learn this
grammar the same way you learn words, by picking it up from people
around you - not through formal schooling.
If we were to write a book about the first type of grammar i
mentioned, the schoolteacher type, it would be called a prescriptive
grammar. A book describing the second type would be called a
descriptive grammar.
Whether or not a verb is irregular is part of the descriptive kind of
grammar. This kind evolves along with the other parts of the
language, and cannot be decided by one person - not even the fellow
who writes the first dictionary for a language. So Cyril couldn't
have decided to give Russian "only five" irregular verbs. If it is
true that Russian has so few - and i've forgotten enough of my Russian
that i don't have a clue if it is true or not - then it is a quirk of
the development of the language, not a conscious decision on the part
of a dictionary writer.
-Cindy Kandolf
ci...@lise.unit.no
Trondheim, Norway
This may be the last time i read news until after the Christmas
holidays. If there is a reply you would like me to read, please
e-mail it to me.
Jacco Zwetsloot
mm>From: medw...@minos.Princeton.EDU (Kenny Bob (M.K.) Edwards)
mm>Organization: Princeton University
mm>OK, my bozometer just pegged. With apologies to Ben Franklin, if
mm>eternal vigilance is the price of freedom, I think I'll stroll around
mm>the corner and shop some more. <plonk> into the killfile Mr. Zwetsloot
mm>goes.
Hmm, this message troubles me. Ordinarily I would ask Mr Edwards what I did to
deserve such treatment, but I would obviously be wasting my time.
If anyone would be so kind as to point out how I am being offensive I will
sincerely endeavour to correct my (admittedly many) faults.
Sorry for being off topic and for any offence caused.
humbly,
JaccoZ
* Origin: Empire BBS +61-3-591-0020, 592-5662 (3:632/530)
Rich Brown
>UL I haven't seen here. An astrophysicist friend who watched the Space
>Shuttle mission to reel in Huble told me that Space Shuttle exhaust is
>rays.
Surely he meant the "Van Heflin" belts!
Rich "lets 'em out a notch or two these days" Brown
Paul Flaherty
>UL I haven't seen here. An astrophysicist friend who watched the Space
>Shuttle mission to reel in Huble told me that Space Shuttle exhaust is
>disrupting the Van Halen belts that protect the Earth from cosmic
>rays.
Not to mention keeping Eddie's pants up while he does those awesome guitar
licks. Fortunately, Sammy Hagar wears spandex during shuttle missions...
--
-=Paul Flaherty, N9FZX | "Fighter pilots make movies. Bomber pilots make
->pa...@Stanford.EDU | history." -- Jake Grafton
Michael Moroney
>Rick Kitchen read my comment about Saint Cyril and Russian, and asked:
>: ...
>: I'll bite. Why did he decide that there should be five irregular verbs?
>She said there were only five. As far as my memory serves me, she offered
>no explanation. I happened to run across the information that St Cyril
>was responsible for writing the first Russian dictionary, and in the
>process created the grammatical rules for the language.
>I figured that creating the rules included the rules for conjugation.
>And since there are only five irregular verbs, that must have been his
>responsibility since even a sensible language like Spanish sports dozens
>of irregular verbs. (Let's not talk about Latin, ok?)
Russian seems to be a very ordered language. I also took it a long time
ago and noticed there are almost no spelling irregularities either.
That is if you know how to spell a word in Cyrillic you know how to
pronounce it (no suprises like "-ough" in English). The only exceptions
I can think of offhand are then endings that transliterate to -ogo and -ego
in English (the g is pronounced as a v) and Bog (God) (the g is the German
ch sound)
-Mike
Joseph Askew
>In article <CICqy...@fc.hp.com> r...@fc.hp.com (Ray Depew) writes:
>>So, what did the Russians speak before they spoke Russian?
Hmmmm, did Kieveans speak Kiev? Varangians Varang? (aren't they
some sort of AntiSemitic smear in Star Trek?)
>Which reminds me of the apocryphal urban legend of some right-wing
>McDougall-type complaining about the money schools were spending on
>foreign language programs: "If God wanted people to learn foreign
>languages, he wouldn't have written the Bible in English."
I believe the former Governor of Arkansas (not the one who
lucked out and got a job where you have to wear shoes but
one of 'em before him) said, when refering to plans to teach
foreign languages in State Schools, "English was good enough
for Jesus Christ"
Joseph Askew
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Andrew Smith
>
>>disrupting the Van Halen belts that protect the Earth from cosmic
>
>I thought Van Halen's name was Eddie, not ray, but I'm English and I like
>Steely Dan, so what do I know?
>
The Van Halen belt, as we all know, is a band of Heavy Metal that
encircles the Earth.
- Andrew.
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: The Van Halen belt, as we all know, is a band of Heavy Metal that
: encircles the Earth.
:
: - Andrew.
So that must be where Freddie Mercury went after he died!
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hulsey
>>So, what did the Russians speak before they spoke Russian?
>
>Which reminds me of the apocryphal urban legend of some right-wing
>McDougall-type complaining about the money schools were spending on
>foreign language programs: "If God wanted people to learn foreign
>languages, he wouldn't have written the Bible in English."
And the apocryphal urban legend of a state representative from Texas, during
the state's debate on making English the official language of Texas, saying
"If English was good enough for Jesus, it's good enough for me!"
Jim "lived in Texas for 17 months, hated it" Hulsey
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Jacco Zwetsloot
ATTENTION RAY DEPEW (Axman, esquire)
cc>From: civi...@UCSVAX.SDSU.EDU
cc>Organization: San Diego State Univ.
cc>>UL I haven't seen here. An astrophysicist friend who watched the Space
cc>>Shuttle mission to reel in Huble told me that Space Shuttle exhaust is
cc>>disrupting the Van Halen belts that protect the Earth from cosmic
cc>>rays. He said that if they keep it up, pretty soon we'll all need to
cc>Van Halen belts?!?!?!?! Hahahahahaha
cc>Was that a slip or were you trying to be funny?
cc>Good one! :)
Leave this one alone, she is quite obviously a poor newbie. Not only did she
not recognise a good ol' fashioned troll, but she put a smilie in to reassure
us of her good intentions.
Besides, anybody with my name in the subject line can't be _all_ bad.
Jacco `except for the person who started this thread, but then again he won't
see this to know better' Z
Stuart P. Derby
h...@unislc.slc.unisys.com (Helge Moulding) writes:
> Dan Case replied:
>: Helge asked:
>:
>: >So, what did the Russians speak before they spoke Russian?
>
>: Old Church Slavonic, which even today serves the Russian Orthodox Church in
>: the same way Latin used to serve the Roman Catholic Church.
>
>time to research it, I am wondering if there is anyone who is seriously
>interested in setting us all straight, without dangling any bait...
>
_Historical Linguistics: An Introduction_, Winifred P. Lehman,
ISBN 0-03-078370-4.
Besides mentioning that Cyril and Methodius's translations form the basis
of "Old Church Slavic", Lehman states:
" The Slavic languages spoken today are classified in three groups: South,
West, and East Slavic. South Slavic comprises: Bulgarian, Serbo-Croatian,
and Slovenian; West Slavic comprises Czech, Slovak, Polish and Wendish;
East Slavic comprises Great Russian, White Russian (or Byelorussian), and
Ukranian. [He notes the current expansian of (Great) Russian]
Differences among the various Slavic languages are relatively slight,
much smaller than among the Germanic languages. One may assume therefore
that there has been no long period of seperation; this assumptian is supported
when we reconstruct Proto-Slavic, for we find it similar to Old Church
Slavic."
BTW, "to dive" USED to be a regular verb in English; the irregular
"dove" form is of relatively recent origin (i.e. since the 1600s).
Analogy to "to drive" is probably the cause...
And "hussy" is derived from "hus-wif" (house-wife), and lady
derives from something that meant loaf-kneader.
OBUl: "Testes" is the plural form of "testis", and the Latin "Testis" also
meant to witness. Thus, to testify originally meant "to swear by one's
balls".
Stu "I wonder if the Romans let women testify?" Derby
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Mary Shafer
Stuart P. Derby <sde...@crick.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu> wrote:
>OBUl: "Testes" is the plural form of "testis", and the Latin "Testis" also
>meant to witness. Thus, to testify originally meant "to swear by one's
>balls".
Which is why the King James version natters on about how various
people "laid his hand upon his thigh and swore". Apparently the
translators felt that writing "he clutched his balls and swore" was
just a little too suggestive. After all, an eye for an eye is one
thing but a ball for a lie is another entirely. No doubt that was the
original intent.
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Mike Edwards
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Like Jesus Said It." I would like to have made this up, but didn't.
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Ray Depew
: I would like to have made this up, but didn't.
Oh!
I wouldn't nominate this for motto status. It's too original for that. But
I like it!
Regards
Ray Depew
r...@fc.hp.com
Ray Depew
: Which is why the King James version natters on about how various
: people "laid his hand upon his thigh and swore". Apparently the
: translators felt that writing "he clutched his balls and swore" was
: just a little too suggestive. After all, an eye for an eye is one
: thing but a ball for a lie is another entirely. No doubt that was the
: original intent.
Well, it sure didn't stop them from using the phrase "every man that pisseth
against the wall."
Regards
Ray
r...@fc.hp.com
Aaron Barnhart
:
:Well, it sure didn't stop them from using the phrase "every man that pisseth
:against the wall."
Ray, for heaven's sake, finish the quote:
"Let every man that pisseth against the wall ... praise the Lord."
A. "did I say THAT?" B.
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: Ray, for heaven's sake, finish the quote:
:
: "Let every man that pisseth against the wall ... praise the Lord."
Oh, so you remember that scene from "The Naked Gun" also?
R
R the x-X
Warren Burstein
Which is why the King James version natters on about how various
people "laid his hand upon his thigh and swore". Apparently the
translators felt that writing "he clutched his balls and swore" was
just a little too suggestive.
The KJV folks got this one right, the Hebrew says thigh.
Warren "will order food in Hebrew, but not betzei shor" Burstein
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Ted Frank
>OBUl: "Testes" is the plural form of "testis", and the Latin "Testis" also
>meant to witness. Thus, to testify originally meant "to swear by one's
>balls".
>
>Stu "I wonder if the Romans let women testify?" Derby
I meant to ask about this, having seen Alice Walker make the same claim,
with more emphasis on the second sentence (the Romans would testify by
having the two opposing parties clutch each other's balls, a gesture later
replaced by the handshake). While the first sentence of Stu's ObUL is
indubitably correct, I am curious about the voracity of the second sentence.
(Incidentally, women *weren't* competent witnesses for a good portion of
history; only in this century were they allowed to serve as jurors in
the Anglo-American system.)
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Stuart P. Derby
> me! me! me! (Stuart P. Derby) writes:
>>OBUl: "Testes" is the plural form of "testis", and the Latin "Testis" also
>>meant to witness. Thus, to testify originally meant "to swear by one's
>>balls".
>>
>>Stu "I wonder if the Romans let women testify?" Derby
>I meant to ask about this, having seen Alice Walker make the same claim,
>with more emphasis on the second sentence (the Romans would testify by
>having the two opposing parties clutch each other's balls, a gesture later
>replaced by the handshake). While the first sentence of Stu's ObUL is
>indubitably correct, I am curious about the voracity of the second sentence.
Well, my big dictionary (and a few others I once looked at a long time
ago) all said that "testify" derived from the Latin word for three
("tres" or something like that...), from the notion that a witness
giving testimony is the "third party".
However, in my intro. linguistics class, the prof. (who was also
the department chair, btw ("chair" is the Rice U. official designation
for the head of the department, btw)), Dr. Lamb, in one branch of
a multi-day discussion on the etymologies of "head" in various
Indo-European languages, repeated the testicular testimony theory,
although his version stated that removal was the price of perjury.
As I recall, he mentioned both theories, remarked that dictionaries
tended to favor more "polite" etymologies, and said that he didn't
really know one way or the other, but the matter was in dispute.
What started the branch off was the French word for head - "tete"
(with an accent circumflex over the first "e" - those accents tend
to mark where "s"'s have been lost from the Latin form), and Dr. Lamb
was noting that "testify/testament/ etc." were not related to the
Latin root of Fr. "tete". However, the English "test" is related to
"tete" - the Latin root means something like clay potshard, such
putshards were used in alchemy to "test" things, and since
broken pots and broken skulls look similar, the same word was
sometimes used for both (a metaphor is a dangerous thing) -
hence "tete" for head.
A similar analogy, skulls to drinking vessels, is responsible
for the German word for head, "Kopf", being related in etymology
to English "cup" (as well as as cuppola, precipice, precipitate, etc..).
Supposedly, the tops of skulls were actually used as cups.
-Stu "Off the top of my head, I'll drink to that" Derby