Trolling: Trend or Phenomenon
Len Berlind
Ewan Kirk
p00...@psilink.com "Len Berlind" writes:
> Can anybody provide me with a definition of "trolling"?
Isn't that what people in Singapore do in planes?
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Ted Frank
>Can anybody provide me with a definition of "trolling"?
There's a big difference between trolling and flame-baiting, the act of
posting an obnoxiously offensive *opinion* that you have no intention of
defending.
"Majel Barrett was only on 'Star Trek' because she was married to William
Shatner" is a troll. "You should switch the door you choose when Monty Hall
opens a door and shows you a goat because that way the odds are two in three"
is a troll. "Star Trek fans are incestuous spawn who excessively fantasize
about Gates McFadden" is flame-bait, unless one is prepared to back up that
statement with reasoned argument.
A good troll gives warning that it's a troll, if through nothing but the
blatant obviousness of the error (Anyone who knows who Majel Barrett is
knows that she was married to the late DeForest Kelley, not William Shatner)
or through the newsgroups it's posted to.
Trolling isn't aimed at newbies. It's aimed at self-important people
who feel the need to play net.cop and net.expert and jump down the
throats of every post that they disagree with, immediately hitting
"F" before stopping to think, or even read, the post. It's a lot like
those tests your sixth-grade teacher gave you where she warned you to
read all of the instructions. No doubt future trollees were yodeling and
doing twenty jumping jacks and drawing purple triangles while everyone
else was calmly sitting in their seats having read the last instruction
to ignore the first nineteen instructions, write their name on the paper
and turn it in. Trolling is aimed at those who still haven't mastered
that concept.
When such a person immediately punches "F" without reading the whole
post and is hooked by a troll, he's been hoisted by his own picard.
Paraphrasing ro...@netcom.com, the Zen of Trolling is more accurately
described as:
"Tapping someone lightly on their forehead with your right hand,
and telling them their left shoe would taste real good right now."
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Lawrence Allen
: Can anybody provide me with a definition of "trolling"?
You're off to a good start.
Hope this helps
Steve Mayer
: In article <297770169...@psilink.com> "Len Berlind"
: >Can anybody provide me with a definition of "trolling"?
[Frankenbot's boilerplate on trolling not being flaming deleted]
Well, about six weeks ago, Kibo himself started off a long troll war
(forget where) by posting something along the lines of "The U.S. doesn't
have a $2 bill, YOU BOZO!"
Isn't that simply a flame, because of the use of the incendiary "YOU
BOZO?" Does that mean that Kibo is nothing more than a flamer?
-Steve
Andreas Bergstroem
th...@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank) writes:
> Shatner" is a troll. "You should switch the door you choose when Monty Hall
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> opens a door and shows you a goat because that way the odds are two in
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
three"
^^^^^
> is a troll. "Star Trek fans are incestuous spawn who excessively fantasize
> about Gates McFadden" is flame-bait, unless one is prepared to back up that
> statement with reasoned argument.
>
> A good troll gives warning that it's a troll, if through nothing but the
> blatant obviousness of the error (Anyone who knows who Majel Barrett is^
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> knows that she was married to the late DeForest Kelley, not William Shatner)
> or through the newsgroups it's posted to.^
Are you trolling me, or what?
Andreas "Or am I trolling you?" Bergstroem
Articulate Mandible
>Can anybody provide me with a definition of "trolling"?
Ask Cindy or YKH.
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Lawrence Allen
: Can anybody provide me with a definition of "trolling"?
Right after seeing this, I came across the most beautiful example of
a troll, and the catch. This was posted on rec.arts.movie,
and alt.religion.kibology.
Observe:
In article, Jason Noble <jno...@laurel.ocs.mq.edu.au> (the troller) wrote:
>
>I heard that when Harrison Ford played Luke Skywalker in the original Star
>Wars movie, he was paid only $150 a week! (Of course he was paid much more
>for the later films). Can anyone confirm this?
>
>Jason.
> The original poster surely knows who played who in the movie, but
posts this obvious misstatement to see if anybody is asleep at the
terminal.
Almost immediately the trollee bites :
> Well, it seems to me that your source is somewhat lacking in accuracy
> and I'd be careful, if I were you, believing anything that originates
> there. While I can't help you with the salary Ford drew for his role
> in Star Wars, I do know, at least in the versions of the trilogy that
> I saw, that he played Han Solo in all 3, and Mark Hamill(No relation,
> unfortunately) played Luke Skywalker, in all 3.
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BAM! Hook, line and sinker.
Class dismissed.
Sean Willard
| Can anybody provide me with a definition of "trolling"?
Now don't you start getting all Goedelian on us, Len.
Harry Teasley III
: Can anybody provide me with a definition of "trolling"?
Can anyone provide me with a definition of "berlind," or know someone who
can?
Harry "Or "len," for that matter" Teasley
Dave Budd
>In article <1994May11....@midway.uchicago.edu>
>th...@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank) writes:
>> opens a door and shows you a goat because that way the odds are two in
> three"
>Are you trolling me, or what?
Of course it's a troll: 2 in 3 is a probability, not the odds.
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Lee Rudolph
>biv9...@macpost.student.lu.se (Andreas Bergstroem) writes:
>>th...@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank) writes:
>>> opens a door and shows you a goat because that way the odds are two in
>> three"
>>Are you trolling me, or what?
>Of course it's a troll: 2 in 3 is a probability, not the odds.
Hunh, over here on the West Coast of the Atlantic, the conventional
wisdom is that the odds are 1 in 10. Two in three sounds even
less likely.
Lee "odd Ghost out?" Rudolph
Craig Dickson
= Len Berlind (p00...@psilink.com) wrote:
= : Can anybody provide me with a definition of "trolling"?
=
= Right after seeing this, I came across the most beautiful example of
= a troll, and the catch. This was posted on rec.arts.movie,
= and alt.religion.kibology.
[Harrison Ford played Luke Skywalker troll and response deleted]
One of my all-time favorite trolls is one Ted Frank pulled off a few
weeks back. I loved it because it was so simple, yet so effective.
Several people were foolish enough to fall for it. Here it is:
= You misspelled Ann Rand.
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Helge Moulding
: Len Berlind (perpetual newbie and old hat wannabe) asks (again!):
: : Can anybody provide me with a definition of "trolling"?
So Larry sez,
: [Saw this on ark...]
: [Explains how this is supposed to be a troll:]
: >
: >I heard that when Harrison Ford played Luke Skywalker in the original Star
: >Wars movie, he was paid only $150 a week! (Of course he was paid much more
: >for the later films). Can anyone confirm this?
: [And claims that the correction is a "bite..."]
Fooeee! Larry, don't mislead Len like that. He'll never find out if
you don't play fair. No, a troll is not someone making a mistake.
Like, Ford didn't play Luke, sure, but mebbe that was just a typo.
A troll has to be done so that any clue-full reader catches on.
Like, adding a reference to fishing: "and Carrie Fisher played
Luke's mom..."
Or any reference to James Tee Kirk (people always think the "Timerous"
rumor is true, and will try to correct you). Or something that might
be true, but isn't: Carrie Fisher was Eddie Fisher's daughter...
But a plain mistake is not a troll. Unless the reply is a flame, of
course.
Meanwhile, lemme ask Len and Ted, is tag-team trolling legal?
--
Helge "Only if you're catching snarks" Moulding
(Just another guy with a weird name)
Jim Grubs, W8GRT
h...@unislc.slc.unisys.com (Helge Moulding) writes:
> rumor is true, and will try to correct you). Or something that might
> be true, but isn't: Carrie Fisher was Eddie Fisher's daughter...
In thoroughbred breeding terms: By Eddie Fisher out of Debbie
Reynolds. She sure was; I remember reading the news when she was
born. Eddie was once quoted in an interview, "Carrie is the only
thing I've ever done I've never regretted." He later divorced
Debbie to marry Elizabeth Taylor. (For an ugly geek, he sure
knew how to get lucky!)
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Helge Moulding
: Ted Frank, who wrote,
: > [...] a troll. [...]
So he asks,
: Are you trolling me, or what?
Every Ted Frank troll is a post.
I mean...
You know what I mean. I see you've met Ted. Ted, meet Andreas.
Now play nice.
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Helge Moulding
: Er, OK, Helge, but can you not talk with that hook in yer mouth?
Hmmm, hmmm hmmm hmmmmmmmm? Oh, no, I didn't bite on it -- here, you
want it back? (Careful, it is a bit bent...)
(What are you talking about, eh?)
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Helge "Big fish have little fish..." Moulding
Dan Prener
> Len Berlind (p00...@psilink.com) wrote:
> : Can anybody provide me with a definition of "trolling"?
>
> Can anyone provide me with a definition of "berlind," or know someone who
> can?
It's an anagram of "brindle".
--
Dan Prener (pre...@watson.ibm.com)
Lawrence Allen
: Fooeee! Larry, don't mislead Len like that. He'll never find out if
: you don't play fair. No, a troll is not someone making a mistake.
: Like, Ford didn't play Luke, sure, but mebbe that was just a typo.
: A troll has to be done so that any clue-full reader catches on.
: But a plain mistake is not a troll. Unless the reply is a flame, of
: course.
: Meanwhile, lemme ask Len and Ted, is tag-team trolling legal?
Er, OK, Helge, but can you not talk with that hook in yer mouth?
S. Mudgett aka little gator
>In article <Cpo6n...@crash.cts.com> he...@crash.cts.com (Harry Teasley III) writes:
>
>> Len Berlind (p00...@psilink.com) wrote:
>> : Can anybody provide me with a definition of "trolling"?
>>
>> Can anyone provide me with a definition of "berlind," or know someone who
>> can?
>
>It's an anagram of "brindle".
>--
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Barbara Hamel
In a previous article, s...@harvee.billerica.ma.us (S. Mudgett aka little gator) says:
>In <PRENER.94M...@prener.watson.ibm.com>, Dan Prener writes:
>>In article <Cpo6n...@crash.cts.com> he...@crash.cts.com (Harry Teasley III) writes:
>>> Can anyone provide me with a definition of "berlind," or know someone who
>>> can?
>>
>>It's an anagram of "brindle".
>>--
>i once had a dog named "brindle" so it must be true.
You mean if you rearrange Len he becomes a dog? Doesn't even require a
full moon or anything?
Barbara "expecting to hear howls out of SoFla right soon now" Hamel
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Sean Willard
|
|
| In a previous article, s...@harvee.billerica.ma.us (S. Mudgett aka little gator) says:
| >In <PRENER.94M...@prener.watson.ibm.com>, Dan Prener writes:
| >>In article <Cpo6n...@crash.cts.com> he...@crash.cts.com (Harry Teasley III) writes:
|
| >>> Can anyone provide me with a definition of "berlind," or know someone who
| >>> can?
| >>
| >>It's an anagram of "brindle".
| >>--
| >i once had a dog named "brindle" so it must be true.
|
| You mean if you rearrange Len he becomes a dog? Doesn't even require a
| full moon or anything?
This is Usenet. How do we know Len *isn't* a dog?
Sean "hadda be said" Willard
Lawrence Allen
: In <PRENER.94M...@prener.watson.ibm.com>, Dan Prener writes:
: >In article <Cpo6n...@crash.cts.com> he...@crash.cts.com (Harry Teasley III) writes:
: >
: >> Len Berlind (p00...@psilink.com) wrote:
: >> : Can anybody provide me with a definition of "trolling"?
: >>
: >> Can anyone provide me with a definition of "berlind," or know someone who
: >> can?
: >
: >It's an anagram of "brindle".
: >--
: i once had a dog named "brindle" so it must be true.
Interesting. I once had a little brindle dog, named gator. --
Len Berlind
>
>Sean "hadda be said" Willard
No, actually, it _didn't_ hadda be said. If you thought about it, you
would have realized that dogs don't drive.
--Len"Bough waugh"Berlind
Articulate Mandible
>No, actually, it _didn't_ hadda be said. If you thought about it, you
>would have realized that dogs don't drive.
Well, not exactly. We had a doberman with full ears and tail (no crop jobs
for us, nosirree) who liked to sit right up next to my dad when he was
driving his truck, with her front paws on the wheel. From the back it looked
like he had a long haired brunette leaning on his shoulder.
I'll bet that if the dawg could have reached the pedals while her forepaws
were on the wheel she'd have been a much better driver than many hairless,
erect, bipeds currently licensed to drive.
--
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Derek Tearne
>Barbara Hamel (ag...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) writes --
>|
>|
>|
>| You mean if you rearrange Len he becomes a dog? Doesn't even require a
>| full moon or anything?
>
>This is Usenet. How do we know Len *isn't* a dog?
Nah, have you ever sean a dog behind the wheel of an Anorak, beautiful
woman at his side, wind in his fur, telling everyone he's both Ewan
Kirk and Charles Manson!
No, I thought not.
Derek "The dogs all drive greyhounds" Tearne
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|
| Nah, have you ever sean a dog behind the wheel of an Anorak, beautiful
| woman at his side, wind in his fur, telling everyone he's both Ewan
| Kirk and Charles Manson!
I thought about it and thought about it and _still_ could not decide if
Derek is trying to tell me something here.
Seen "arf" Willard
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Articulate Mandible
[...]
>Nah, have you ever sean a dog behind the wheel of an Anorak, beautiful
>woman at his side, wind in his fur, telling everyone he's both Ewan
>Kirk and Charles Manson!
You misspelled Furr. Fu!
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denn...@delphi.com
>I'll bet that if the dawg could have reached the pedals while her forepaws
>were on the wheel she'd have been a much better driver than many hairless,
>erect, bipeds currently licensed to drive.
froup.
t "always bipedal, sort of hairless, occasionally erect" c
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}
}Nah, have you ever sean a dog behind the wheel of an Anorak, beautiful
}woman at his side, wind in his fur, telling everyone he's both Ewan
}Kirk and Charles Manson!
}
Or perhaps, a cat behind the wheel of an Edsel, Charles Manson at his
side, Ewan Kirk in his fur, telling everyone he's both a Beautiful
Woman and the Wind!
Oh, sure, it's not likely...perhaps it doesn't even make sense...but
It sure do sound poetic, don't it!
Lance "Sean it? I've Lived It!" Franklin
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>I'd been told that we didn't discuss our sexual fantasies in this froup.
I'd been told that we didn't use the word "froup" in this group.