<<Melanie
Melanie
The photograph of the ‘fairy’ is obviously a fake. It’s just a matter
of reversing it from negative to positive and then the joins become
pretty obvious.
As for the other picture of the two girls - I’m afraid I can’t date it
precisely. I’d guess it was taken around the turn of this century.
Were these girls involved in fairy rumours?
Don’t be embarrassed about mistakes. The Web page is fine. I hope you
have the confidence to add to it and I’ll be looking for updates!
I think Annie is interested because she thinks there might be a book
in all this. While I sympathise with your need to confirm the
supernatural I feel confident that you’re the centre of a hoax and
someone is going to poke their head through the window of your little
cottage and yell ‘April Fool!’
As for ‘Titania’ - he/she is just winding you up. How could they know
such details unless they live nearby. You’re being had old girl. Maybe
it’s the Irish in you that makes you so vulnerable?
Even so keep in touch. It’s all quite interesting.
David Fallow
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UK Division
> The photograph of the ‘fairy’
Is it one of these from the Victorian era when doing 'fairy pictures'
was sort of what "Industrial Light & Magic" does with film these days?
There's the famous photo with the author Lewis Carroll I thin it was...
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Arthur Conan Doyle was very interested and convinced by some pictures that look
fake today. The "Codington" I think faries. One of the girls later confessed to
faking the pictures. Even a movie made about it a few years ago, can't remmeber
the name.
_Smithsonian Magazine_ also carried an article on Doyle and the
Cottingley fairy photos in their September 1997 issue; an abstract
appears at
http://www.smithsonianmag.si.edu/smithsonian/issues97/sep97/doyle.html.
Alan "clap your hands if you believe" Follett
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Before you buy.
"FairyTale: A True Story" was the name of it. I have a book which predates the
movie by several years, entitled _Lady Cottington's Pressed Fairy Book_,
written by Terry Jones of Monty Python fame. Wonderful illustrations in it,
including the original Cottington fairy photos. Evidently both Harry Houdini
and A. Conan Doyle were taken in by the two girls.
Lisa "Tinkerbell" Cech
Not so much that as they want to have it both ways: They all but come
out and admit the pictures are faked, if you pay close attention, but
still want to depict the fairies on-screen (and toss in a spectral
visitation for good measure). A flaw in an otherwise splendid film, or
at least one I admired for its fairly unflinching view of life around
the time of the Great War.
Not twenty years ago I found people still taking the pictures seriously.
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Although she admitted that the photos were fake, she insisted the faries were
real. When they couldn't get pictures of faries, they photographed paper
cut-outs.
Faries apparently don't like to have their pictures taken.
Dave
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As I expected, James Randi has covered it. I was pretty
sure I'd read about it in a book [1] of his a few years ago, but
it's easier for me to find stuff on line than to locate a
particular book in my pile of crap^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hlibrary.
The case was called the "Cottingley Fairies", the photos were
taken in 1917, and a pretty good summary is on Randi's web page
at http://www.randi.org/research/r-files/cottingley/index.html.
Randy "just love that guy's name" Poe
[1] The book is "Flim-Flam!", and contains some excellent
debunkings of a few very large-scale hoaxes.
}DavesVideo wrote:
}>
}> >>
}> Is it one of these from the Victorian era when doing 'fairy pictures'
}> was sort of what "Industrial Light & Magic" does with film these days?
}> There's the famous photo with the author Lewis Carroll I thin it was...>>
}>
}> Arthur Conan Doyle was very interested and convinced by some pictures that look
}> fake today. The "Codington" I think faries. One of the girls later confessed to
}> faking the pictures. Even a movie made about it a few years ago, can't remmeber
}> the name.
}
}"FairyTale: A True Story" was the name of it. I have a book which predates the
}movie by several years, entitled _Lady Cottington's Pressed Fairy Book_,
}written by Terry Jones of Monty Python fame. Wonderful illustrations in it,
}including the original Cottington fairy photos. Evidently both Harry Houdini
}and A. Conan Doyle were taken in by the two girls.
I think it highly unlikely that Houdini, a noted debunker of such
foolishness, was taken in by any part of this situation.
Dr H
According to the James Randi site referenced earlier in this thread, Houdini
took no part in the original incident, but in fact was added by the filmmakers.
Dutch "I knew there was a reason there were 500% more posts to AFCA today than
the other nudesgroups I read" Courage
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>> "FairyTale: A True Story" was the name of it. I have a book which
>> predates the movie by several years, entitled _Lady Cottington's
>> Pressed Fairy Book_, written by Terry Jones of Monty Python fame.
That was Terry Jones? Doesn't surprise me other than my failure to
realize it when I first saw the book. Oh... I just realized, it was
the calendar I saw and I may not have noticed the name of the author.
>> Wonderful illustrations in it,ncluding the original Cottington fairy
>> photos. Evidently both Harry Houdini and A. Conan Doyle were taken
>> in by the two girls.
>>Dr H hiaw...@efn.org
>>I think it highly unlikely that Houdini, a noted debunker of such
>>foolishness, was taken in by any part of this situation.
Dutch Courage wrote:
>According to the James Randi site referenced earlier in this thread,
>Houdini took no part in the original incident, but in fact was added by
>the filmmakers.
Not only that, but I believe one of the biggest reasons Houdini and
Doyle's friendship collapsed was Doyle's slavish belief in whatever
psychic bull... er... ideas came along[1]. Houdini, like Doyle, wanted
to believe in the afterlife. (Doyle had lost a son, Houdini his
mother.) Unfortunately for Houdini, he knew only too well how to fake
the phenomena he witnessed and it infuriated him that he was being
lied to. It was after that that he became the noted debunker that he
did.
>Dutch "I knew there was a reason there were 500% more posts to AFCA
>today than the other nudesgroups I read" Courage
If you mean you're writing this in the nude, that's Too Much
Information.
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>}"FairyTale: A True Story" was the name of it. I have a book which predates
the
>}movie by several years, entitled _Lady Cottington's Pressed Fairy Book_,
>}written by Terry Jones of Monty Python fame. Wonderful illustrations in
it,
>}including the original Cottington fairy photos. Evidently both Harry
Houdini
>}and A. Conan Doyle were taken in by the two girls.
>
> I think it highly unlikely that Houdini, a noted debunker of such
> foolishness, was taken in by any part of this situation.
>
>Dr H
I'm with you, Dr H -- I read that book a few years ago, and quite frankly
can't remember of any specific mention of Houdini, but you're right -- he
was a staunch debunker of all sorts of paranormal stuff, and wouldn't have
gone for it.
Doyle is much more believable. Didn't he and Houdini eventually have a
falling out over that sort of thing?
In fact, their disagreement about the reality of the Cottingly Fairies
essentially ended their friendship.
I think it was just an excuse to make Harvey Keitel look nice in one of
his movies.
Lizz 'and not to show his willy' Holmans
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>Not only that, but I believe one of the biggest reasons Houdini and
>Doyle's friendship collapsed was Doyle's slavish belief in whatever
>psychic bull... er... ideas came along[1].
Did you leave off the note?
>Houdini, like Doyle, wanted
>to believe in the afterlife.
It's at least vaugely interesting, and the source of some minor marginally
topicful speculation along the lines of the anti-Stratfordians, that Doyle made
his major literary creation such a materialist. See, for example "The Sussex
Vampire."
> (Doyle had lost a son, Houdini his
>mother.) Unfortunately for Houdini, he knew only too well how to fake
>the phenomena he witnessed and it infuriated him that he was being
>lied to. It was after that that he became the noted debunker that he
>did.
Publishing an account of one such episode in "Weird Tales," anthologized in
"Weird Tales" (ed. Marvin Kaye, Barnes and Noble, 1996) and his book, "The
Miracle Mongers" is apparently available online for free here:
http://www.palmcentral.com/product.shtml?sectionId=183&productId=2827&catalog=1
>
>>Dutch "I knew there was a reason there were 500% more posts to AFCA
>>today than the other nudesgroups I read" Courage
>
>If you mean you're writing this in the nude, that's Too Much
>Information.
I meant to write "nudesgropes." "Froop" just doesn't do it.
Dutch "Three Mile Island" Courage.
>In article <Pine.GSU.4.05.99102...@garcia.efn.org>, Dr
>H <hiaw...@efn.org> writes
>> I think it highly unlikely that Houdini, a noted debunker of such
>> foolishness, was taken in by any part of this situation.
>
>In fact, their disagreement about the reality of the Cottingly Fairies
>essentially ended their friendship.
According to Massimo Polidoro (1998), in "Houdini and Conan Doyle: The
Story of a Strange Friendship" (Skeptical Inquirer 22: 40-46), Houdini
had no comment to make on the subject of the fairies in any of his
letters to Doyle, "perhaps because he could not bring himself to
discuss it seriously." In Polidoro's account, their friendship
started to fray over different interpretations of a seance performed
by Lady Doyle, in which she supposedly contacted Houdini's mother.
Their last public disagreement was over the abilities of the medium
Margery (Mina Crandon). After Houdini exposed her as a fraud, Doyle
attacked Houdini's judgement and abilities as a psychic researcher.
Then it got ugly.
>I think it was just an excuse to make Harvey Keitel look nice in one of
>his movies.
>
>Lizz 'and not to show his willy' Holmans
Show his willy what?
Judy "prefer mine well done, actually" Johnson
You're both right. I was mixing the movie and the book in my head. I believe
the book pretends to be more of a diary for the girls and doesn't contain
anything about Doyle, Houdini, the afterlife, or anything else except the
girls' supposed fairy-frolicking. It's been a few years since I've read it,
but I'll double-check if anyone's interested.
My note was that while I like to keep an open mind about these things,
I don't care to have it so open my brain falls out.
> >Houdini, like Doyle, wanted
> >to believe in the afterlife.
>
>It's at least vaugely interesting, and the source of some minor >marginally topicful speculation along the lines of the anti-Stratfordians, >that Doyle made his major literary creation such a materialist. See, for >example "The Sussex Vampire."
Indeed. Being a long time Holmes fan, I've read some of those
articles. But if you read some of Doyle's other works you'll find his
interest in things supernatural shining through. Those works didn't
fly, though.
> > (Doyle had lost a son, Houdini his
> >mother.) Unfortunately for Houdini, he knew only too well how to fake
> >the phenomena he witnessed and it infuriated him that he was being
> >lied to. It was after that that he became the noted debunker that he
> >did.
>Publishing an account of one such episode in "Weird Tales," anthologized >in "Weird Tales" (ed. Marvin Kaye, Barnes and Noble, 1996) and his book, >"The Miracle Mongers" is apparently available online for free here:
Thanks much. I'll have to go check it out.
>>>Dutch "I knew there was a reason there were 500% more posts to AFCA
>>>today than the other nudesgroups I read" Courage
>>If you mean you're writing this in the nude, that's Too Much
>>Information.
>I meant to write "nudesgropes." "Froop" just doesn't do it.
Ladies and Gentlemen, the Captain has turned on the Oversharing Light.
Deborah "The beauty of Too Much Information" Brown
I can't see what's "Too Much" about it. Are you suggesting that you
actually wear clothes while posting to AFU? Very few people do, you
know.
Mike "why do you think we refer to kewl nudies?" Holmans
>>Ladies and Gentlemen, the Captain has turned on the Oversharing Light.
>>Deborah "The beauty of Too Much Information" Brown
Mike Holmans wrote:
>I can't see what's "Too Much" about it.
And ya ain't gonna.
>Are you suggesting that you actually wear clothes while posting to AFU? >Very few people do, you know.
Now there's an image I didn't need.[1]
Besides, I'm just the Babbit of Lurking. You don't think I'm gonna
strip just for you bunch, do you?
>Mike "why do you think we refer to kewl nudies?" Holmans
Mike, you worry me. No, you really really scare me. Though,
considering the weather's turning cold soon, I suppose they really
*will* be "kewl nudies".
Deborah "The beauty of covering certain bodies - mine included" Brown
[1] And you don't need the image of me that way, either, thank you
very much.
Yes. Doyle firmly believed that his own wife was a medium, and that
Houdini's spectacular escapes were accomplished through the use of
supernatural powers, despite Houdini's repeated protests and presentation
of evidence to the contrary.
Dr H
Between your "beauty" and Harry's "love" afu is becoming almost
too homey to bear. 8-D
Dr H
Actually there was pretty good evidence that Holmes himself
was a vampire, and a friend of Count Dracula at that.
Cites available in "The Holmes-Dracula File".
That, Dr. H, is a post which I will not dignify with a rep...
Oh... Damn!
Deborah "The beauty of - oh never mind" Brown
Lon Stowell wrote:
>Actually there was pretty good evidence that Holmes himself
>was a vampire, and a friend of Count Dracula at that.
>Cites available in "The Holmes-Dracula File".
Not even if you wish to regard Saberhagen's book as Conanical. Holmes'
twin brother was the dhampyr[1]. *Not* Holmes himself.
Deborah "The beauty of a wide taste of reading material" Brown
[1] Dhampyr = 1/2 vampire. In the case of this book, the result of a
vampire drinking a pregnant woman's blood, resulting in twins, one of
which is affected, the other not.
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> >>>If you mean you're writing this in the nude, that's Too Much
> >>>Information.
> >
> >>I meant to write "nudesgropes." "Froop" just doesn't do it.
>
> >Deborah "The beauty of Too Much Information" Brown
>
> I can't see what's "Too Much" about it. Are you suggesting that you
> actually wear clothes while posting to AFU? Very few people do, you
> know.
>
> Mike "why do you think we refer to kewl nudies?" Holmans
However, most of us have the good taste that prevents us from
posting GIFs showing us at the keyboard. Also, I have been
known to wear clothes when posting from work, especially during
office hours.
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>Mike Holmans wrote:
>
>> >>>If you mean you're writing this in the nude, that's Too Much
>> >>>Information.
>> >
>> >>I meant to write "nudesgropes." "Froop" just doesn't do it.
>>
>> >Deborah "The beauty of Too Much Information" Brown
>>
>> I can't see what's "Too Much" about it. Are you suggesting that you
>> actually wear clothes while posting to AFU? Very few people do, you
>> know.
>>
>> Mike "why do you think we refer to kewl nudies?" Holmans
>
>However, most of us have the good taste that prevents us from
>posting GIFs showing us at the keyboard. Also, I have been
>known to wear clothes when posting from work, especially during
>office hours.
Well, I'm not shy.
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> JoAnne "I'm not Amber either" Schmitz
Seems just about a fart away off the cake... or whatever.
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> Charles Wm. Dimmick
> > I have been
> > known to wear clothes when posting from work, especially during
> > office hours.
>
> Lest your students see the 666 tattoo?
Sshhh! The students know. It's the administration I'm trying to hide
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> Charles Wm. Dimmick
> > I have been
> > known to wear clothes when posting from work, especially during
> > office hours.
>
> Lest your students see the 666 tattoo?
Not a tattoo; it's a birthmark.
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>> JoAnne "I'm not Amber either" Schmitz
>
>Should we ask how you happened to find this particular picture?
Altavista.
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