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danny burstein

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Oct 17, 2009, 8:57:31 AM10/17/09
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The ground is subsiding, and the tower's not even finished yet...

"Ocean Towers LP has hired Controlled Demolition Inc. to raze
itsincomplete condominium tower on South Padre Island, which
is plaguedby 14 in. of differential vertical subsidence between
the post-tensioned, low-rise parking garage attached to the
tower. According to the owner, the tower's weight caused a layer
of expandable clay under an upper sand layer to compress...."

- oh, and now they're going to blow the building up, real good.

(Maybe Adam and Jamie would like to attend?)

http://enr.ecnext.com/coms2/article_bubt090930TexasTowerDe


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Keith F. Lynch

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Oct 17, 2009, 3:36:21 PM10/17/09
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danny burstein <dan...@panix.com> wrote:
> "Ocean Towers LP has hired Controlled Demolition Inc. to raze
> itsincomplete condominium tower on South Padre Island, which
> is plaguedby 14 in. of differential vertical subsidence ...

But did you hear about the poster who forgot about the weight of his
words, whose differential horizontal subsidence squeezed spaces out
between some of them?

Your words have gravity. My words have levity.
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David DeLaney

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Oct 17, 2009, 12:58:51 PM10/17/09
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Keith F. Lynch <k...@KeithLynch.net> wrote:
>danny burstein <dan...@panix.com> wrote:
>> "Ocean Towers LP has hired Controlled Demolition Inc. to raze
>> itsincomplete condominium tower on South Padre Island, which
>> is plaguedby 14 in. of differential vertical subsidence ...
>
>But did you hear about the poster who forgot about the weight of his
>words, whose differential horizontal subsidence squeezed spaces out
>between some of them?

Whitespace? Overrated. Also see .sig .

>Your words have gravity. My words have levity.

Brevity.

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John Gilmer

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Oct 25, 2009, 2:14:17 PM10/25/09
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"danny burstein" <dan...@panix.com> wrote in message
news:Pine.NEB.4.64.09...@panix5.panix.com...

> The ground is subsiding, and the tower's not even finished yet...
>
> "Ocean Towers LP has hired Controlled Demolition Inc. to raze
> itsincomplete condominium tower on South Padre Island, which
> is plaguedby 14 in. of differential vertical subsidence between
> the post-tensioned, low-rise parking garage attached to the
> tower. According to the owner, the tower's weight caused a layer
> of expandable clay under an upper sand layer to compress...."
>

14" is annoying but it can be "lived with."

I suspect the main reason "they" want to destroy the building is that were
it completed it would be next to impossible to fill it.

By destroying it they MIGHT get some money back from the bonding companies
and the deep pocket contractors and their insurance companies. If the
place is completed they go broke.

Frisbee�

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Oct 26, 2009, 11:42:21 AM10/26/09
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John Gilmer wrote:
>
> 14" is annoying but it can be "lived with."

I am certainly impressed.

Derek Lyons

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Oct 26, 2009, 7:58:06 PM10/26/09
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"John Gilmer" <jlgi...@localnet.com> wrote:

>
>"danny burstein" <dan...@panix.com> wrote in message
>news:Pine.NEB.4.64.09...@panix5.panix.com...
>> The ground is subsiding, and the tower's not even finished yet...
>>
>> "Ocean Towers LP has hired Controlled Demolition Inc. to raze
>> itsincomplete condominium tower on South Padre Island, which
>> is plaguedby 14 in. of differential vertical subsidence between
>> the post-tensioned, low-rise parking garage attached to the
>> tower. According to the owner, the tower's weight caused a layer
>> of expandable clay under an upper sand layer to compress...."
>>
>
>14" is annoying but it can be "lived with."
>
>I suspect the main reason "they" want to destroy the building is that were
>it completed it would be next to impossible to fill it.

Yeah, it's just not possible that unplanned subsidence could actually
cause problems.

D.
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Keith F. Lynch

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Oct 26, 2009, 9:16:13 PM10/26/09
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Derek Lyons <fair...@gmail.com> wrote:

> "John Gilmer" <jlgi...@localnet.com> wrote:
>> I suspect the main reason "they" want to destroy the building is
>> that were it completed it would be next to impossible to fill it.

> Yeah, it's just not possible that unplanned subsidence could
> actually cause problems.

Indeed. It might not cause problems if it remains no worse than it
is now, but further subsidence is likely, especially once people move
heavy furniture, books, waterbeds, etc., into those condos.

Richard Casady

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Oct 27, 2009, 8:39:46 AM10/27/09
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On Sun, 25 Oct 2009 14:14:17 -0400, "John Gilmer"
<jlgi...@localnet.com> wrote:

>
>"danny burstein" <dan...@panix.com> wrote in message
>news:Pine.NEB.4.64.09...@panix5.panix.com...
>> The ground is subsiding, and the tower's not even finished yet...
>>
>> "Ocean Towers LP has hired Controlled Demolition Inc. to raze
>> itsincomplete condominium tower on South Padre Island, which
>> is plaguedby 14 in. of differential vertical subsidence between
>> the post-tensioned, low-rise parking garage attached to the
>> tower. According to the owner, the tower's weight caused a layer
>> of expandable clay under an upper sand layer to compress...."
>>
>
>14" is annoying but it can be "lived with."
>
>I suspect the main reason "they" want to destroy the building is that were
>it completed it would be next to impossible to fill it.
>
>By destroying it they MIGHT get some money back from the bonding companies
>and the deep pocket contractors and their insurance companies. If the
>place is completed they go broke.

There are these guys who have trucks with drill rigs and core drills.
And a lab. If you don't hire them before you build, a jury will think
you deserve to lose your ass. I think downtown Des Moines has a couple
of hundred feet to the bedrock, so it's expensive to take the cowards
way out with pilings driven all the way to the rock. If you have nice
rock to build on, you may buy a lot of dynamite.

Casady

Charles Wm. Dimmick

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Oct 27, 2009, 6:56:17 PM10/27/09
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Richard Casady wrote:

> There are these guys who have trucks with drill rigs and core drills.
> And a lab. If you don't hire them before you build, a jury will think
> you deserve to lose your ass. I think downtown Des Moines has a couple
> of hundred feet to the bedrock, so it's expensive to take the cowards
> way out with pilings driven all the way to the rock. If you have nice
> rock to build on, you may buy a lot of dynamite.

And then there is New Orleans, where for all practical purposes there is
no bedrock. Pilings on 2-foot centers are not unheard of. These are
friction pilings, where they drive them down and keep adding sections
until a dropped weight of over a hundred pounds causes a movement of
less than some tiny fraction of an inch. Meanwhile the entire
neighborhood vibrates. We lived on the top floor of an old mansion in
the Garden District [just behind St. George and the Dragon Church], and
were awakened one summer morning by the vibration of the bed [and
bedroom, and ceiling, and whatever] as they started driving pilings
across the street. With the first drop the piling would go down about 15
feet, as I remember. Almost like driving a straw into chocolate pudding.

Charles

Lon

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Oct 27, 2009, 8:48:01 PM10/27/09
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Keith F. Lynch wrote:
> Derek Lyons <fair...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> "John Gilmer" <jlgi...@localnet.com> wrote:
>>> I suspect the main reason "they" want to destroy the building is
>>> that were it completed it would be next to impossible to fill it.
>
>> Yeah, it's just not possible that unplanned subsidence could
>> actually cause problems.
>
> Indeed. It might not cause problems if it remains no worse than it
> is now, but further subsidence is likely, especially once people move
> heavy furniture, books, waterbeds, etc., into those condos.

Redo the floor plans to put the bedroom and living rooms on the uphill
side?

Lon

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Oct 27, 2009, 8:49:53 PM10/27/09
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You sure that wasnt Nikola Tesla at work?

Keith F. Lynch

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Oct 27, 2009, 8:58:46 PM10/27/09
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Lon <lon.s...@comcast.net> wrote:

> Keith F. Lynch wrote:
>> Indeed. It might not cause problems if it remains no worse than it
>> is now, but further subsidence is likely, especially once people
>> move heavy furniture, books, waterbeds, etc., into those condos.

> Redo the floor plans to put the bedroom and living rooms on the
> uphill side?

Exactly. The rooms on the downhill side will be reserved for helium
balloon storage.

R H Draney

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Oct 28, 2009, 12:12:01 AM10/28/09
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Keith F. Lynch filted:

>
>Lon <lon.s...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> Keith F. Lynch wrote:
>>> Indeed. It might not cause problems if it remains no worse than it
>>> is now, but further subsidence is likely, especially once people
>>> move heavy furniture, books, waterbeds, etc., into those condos.
>
>> Redo the floor plans to put the bedroom and living rooms on the
>> uphill side?
>
>Exactly. The rooms on the downhill side will be reserved for helium
>balloon storage.

You said we did it for the show....r


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Lee Ayrton

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Nov 1, 2009, 2:42:21 PM11/1/09
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> On Sun, 25 Oct 2009 14:14:17 -0400, "John Gilmer"
> <jlgi...@localnet.com> wrote:
>
>>14" is annoying but it can be "lived with."

Painless? Izzat you?

Lee "the best-equiped dentist in the USA" Ayrton

Don Freeman

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Nov 2, 2009, 11:20:47 AM11/2/09
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Lee Ayrton wrote:
>> On Sun, 25 Oct 2009 14:14:17 -0400, "John Gilmer"
>> <jlgi...@localnet.com> wrote:
>>
>>> 14" is annoying but it can be "lived with."
>
> Painless? Izzat you?
>

I'd sure hate to see it when it gets angry.

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Richard Casady

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Nov 6, 2009, 7:22:14 AM11/6/09
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I like the Diesel piledrivers.

Casady

R H Draney

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Nov 6, 2009, 11:24:55 AM11/6/09
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Richard Casady filted:
>I like the Diesel piledrivers.

ObDaveBarry: The Diesel Piledrivers would be a great name for a heavy metal
band....r

Lon

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Nov 6, 2009, 8:12:50 PM11/6/09
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R H Draney wrote:
> Richard Casady filted:
>> On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 18:56:17 -0400, "Charles Wm. Dimmick"
>> <cdim...@snet.net> wrote:
>>> And then there is New Orleans, where for all practical purposes there is
>>> no bedrock. Pilings on 2-foot centers are not unheard of. These are
>>> friction pilings, where they drive them down and keep adding sections
>>> until a dropped weight of over a hundred pounds causes a movement of
>>> less than some tiny fraction of an inch. Meanwhile the entire
>>> neighborhood vibrates. We lived on the top floor of an old mansion in
>>> the Garden District [just behind St. George and the Dragon Church], and
>>> were awakened one summer morning by the vibration of the bed [and
>>> bedroom, and ceiling, and whatever] as they started driving pilings
>>> across the street. With the first drop the piling would go down about 15
>>> feet, as I remember. Almost like driving a straw into chocolate pudding.
>> I like the Diesel piledrivers.
>
> ObDaveBarry: The Diesel Piledrivers would be a great name for a heavy metal
> band....r

... from West Hollywood

Lon "sponsored by Preparation H, of course" Stowell

R H Draney

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Lon filted:

>
>R H Draney wrote:
>> Richard Casady filted:

>>> I like the Diesel piledrivers.


>>
>> ObDaveBarry: The Diesel Piledrivers would be a great name for a heavy metal
>> band....r
>
> ... from West Hollywood
>
>Lon "sponsored by Preparation H, of course" Stowell

Vodka, orange juice, milk of magnesia: a Phillips screwdriver.

Vodka and prune juice: a piledriver.

R H "tip your waitstaff" Draney

Richard Casady

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On 6 Nov 2009 08:24:55 -0800, R H Draney <dado...@spamcop.net> wrote:

>Richard Casady filted:
>>
>>On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 18:56:17 -0400, "Charles Wm. Dimmick"
>><cdim...@snet.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>And then there is New Orleans, where for all practical purposes there is
>>>no bedrock. Pilings on 2-foot centers are not unheard of. These are
>>>friction pilings, where they drive them down and keep adding sections
>>>until a dropped weight of over a hundred pounds causes a movement of
>>>less than some tiny fraction of an inch. Meanwhile the entire
>>>neighborhood vibrates. We lived on the top floor of an old mansion in
>>>the Garden District [just behind St. George and the Dragon Church], and
>>>were awakened one summer morning by the vibration of the bed [and
>>>bedroom, and ceiling, and whatever] as they started driving pilings
>>>across the street. With the first drop the piling would go down about 15
>>>feet, as I remember. Almost like driving a straw into chocolate pudding.
>>
>>I like the Diesel piledrivers.
>
>ObDaveBarry: The Diesel Piledrivers would be a great name for a heavy metal
>band....r

They would work the same venues as the Sheepsfoot Rollers. There
actually is a band called Mannheim Steamroller, believe it or not. The
Crawler Cranes?

Casady

Don Freeman

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Nov 11, 2009, 11:35:25 AM11/11/09
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Richard Casady wrote:

>
> There actually is a band called Mannheim Steamroller, believe it or
> not. The Crawler Cranes?
>

Not too hard to believe, they've been around for three decades (Laserian).

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www.cosmoslair.com

John Francis

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In article <h3elf5plj7nrc1urt...@4ax.com>,

Richard Casady <richar...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> There actually is a band called Mannheim Steamroller,
> believe it or not.

Oh, I believe it. My brother was a fan of their "Fresh Aire"
albums (the first from around thirty-five years ago, IIRC).

I always thought it would be a good name for a heavy metal
band, but that was most definitely not a description that
could accurately be applied to Mannheim Steamroller.

For that matter there was also a band called Buffalo Springfield.
For an indication of just why this is relevant, take a look at

http://www.panix.com/~johnf/temp/springfield.jpg

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R H Draney

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John Francis filted:

>
>For that matter there was also a band called Buffalo Springfield.
>For an indication of just why this is relevant, take a look at
>
> http://www.panix.com/~johnf/temp/springfield.jpg

I thought Buffalo Springfield was another member of the same musical family that
gave us Rick and Dusty....r

Hatunen

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Nov 11, 2009, 4:44:23 PM11/11/09
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Aha. I see there actually was a steam roller of that name, which,
I suppose, was ripped off for the musical group, as in "REO
Speedwagon".

I wonder how many rock groups ripped off real names? There's
Jethro Tull and Chicago Transit Authority.

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John Francis

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Nov 11, 2009, 5:21:07 PM11/11/09
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In article <hobmf5d66njtmbp2k...@4ax.com>,

Hatunen <hat...@cox.net> wrote:
>On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 17:41:56 +0000 (UTC), jo...@panix.com (John
>Francis) wrote:
>
>>In article <h3elf5plj7nrc1urt...@4ax.com>,
>>Richard Casady <richar...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> There actually is a band called Mannheim Steamroller,
>>> believe it or not.
>>
>>Oh, I believe it. My brother was a fan of their "Fresh Aire"
>>albums (the first from around thirty-five years ago, IIRC).
>>
>>I always thought it would be a good name for a heavy metal
>>band, but that was most definitely not a description that
>>could accurately be applied to Mannheim Steamroller.
>>
>>For that matter there was also a band called Buffalo Springfield.
>>For an indication of just why this is relevant, take a look at
>>
>> http://www.panix.com/~johnf/temp/springfield.jpg
>
>Aha. I see there actually was a steam roller of that name, which,
>I suppose, was ripped off for the musical group, as in "REO
>Speedwagon".
>
>I wonder how many rock groups ripped off real names? There's
>Jethro Tull and Chicago Transit Authority.

Engelbert Humperdinck, Edison Lighthouse, ...
(And Gilbert O'Sullivan, if you like).

Do we really want to go there?

Don Freeman

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Nov 11, 2009, 5:22:44 PM11/11/09
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Tesla would have been shocked.

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Ray

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Nov 11, 2009, 5:58:20 PM11/11/09
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Richard Casady <richar...@earthlink.net> wrote:

> They would work the same venues as the Sheepsfoot Rollers. There
> actually is a band called Mannheim Steamroller, believe it or not.
> The Crawler Cranes?

Go for the biggest -- The Big Muskies (nothing to do with fish).

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A [Temporary] Dog

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On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 14:22:44 -0800, Don Freeman
<free...@cosmoslair.com> painted a red bull's eye on his forehead,
ascended the altar of Fluffy and shouted:

Lovecraft would have been horrified.

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Keith F. Lynch

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Nov 11, 2009, 7:20:05 PM11/11/09
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A [Temporary] Dog <AMunged...@munged.see.sig> wrote:
> Don Freeman <free...@cosmoslair.com> wrote:
>> John Francis wrote:

>>> Hatunen <hat...@cox.net> wrote:
>>>> I wonder how many rock groups ripped off real names? There's
>>>> Jethro Tull and Chicago Transit Authority.

>>> Engelbert Humperdinck, ...

A coworker of mine said he knew him. I was skeptical as I knew the
composer had died early in the 20th century, and my coworker didn't
appear to be old. I didn't learn until years later than someone had
borrowed the composer's name. My coworker was presumably speaking of
this usurper.

>>> Do we really want to go there?

>> Tesla would have been shocked.

> Lovecraft would have been horrified.

Ford would have been driven.

R H Draney

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Keith F. Lynch filted:

>
>A [Temporary] Dog <AMunged...@munged.see.sig> wrote:
>> Don Freeman <free...@cosmoslair.com> wrote:
>>> John Francis wrote:
>>>> Hatunen <hat...@cox.net> wrote:
>>>>> I wonder how many rock groups ripped off real names? There's
>>>>> Jethro Tull and Chicago Transit Authority.
>
>>>> Engelbert Humperdinck, ...
>
>A coworker of mine said he knew him. I was skeptical as I knew the
>composer had died early in the 20th century, and my coworker didn't
>appear to be old. I didn't learn until years later than someone had
>borrowed the composer's name. My coworker was presumably speaking of
>this usurper.

First time someone asked me what I thought of the Hilton sisters, I thought they
were talking about Daisy and Violet...this wasn't long after someone in
alt.movies.silent "corrected" someone's reference to Spike Jonze....

Alice Cooper, originally the name of the group and only later adopted by its
lead singer, was supposed to have been a little girl accused of witchcraft....

>>>> Do we really want to go there?
>
>>> Tesla would have been shocked.
>
>> Lovecraft would have been horrified.
>
>Ford would have been driven.

Does this band count?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6KX9WISHUs

Hatunen

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Nov 12, 2009, 12:22:30 PM11/12/09
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On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 22:21:07 +0000 (UTC), jo...@panix.com (John
Francis) wrote:

>In article <hobmf5d66njtmbp2k...@4ax.com>,
>Hatunen <hat...@cox.net> wrote:
>>On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 17:41:56 +0000 (UTC), jo...@panix.com (John
>>Francis) wrote:
>>
>>>In article <h3elf5plj7nrc1urt...@4ax.com>,
>>>Richard Casady <richar...@earthlink.net> wrote:

>>>For that matter there was also a band called Buffalo Springfield.
>>>For an indication of just why this is relevant, take a look at
>>>
>>> http://www.panix.com/~johnf/temp/springfield.jpg
>>
>>Aha. I see there actually was a steam roller of that name, which,
>>I suppose, was ripped off for the musical group, as in "REO
>>Speedwagon".
>>
>>I wonder how many rock groups ripped off real names? There's
>>Jethro Tull and Chicago Transit Authority.
>
>Engelbert Humperdinck, Edison Lighthouse, ...
>(And Gilbert O'Sullivan, if you like).

I don't think Edison Lighthouse counts. As far as I know there
never was such a thing denoted as Edison lighthouse. Edison
Kinetoscope, maybe.

>Do we really want to go there?

It may be too late. it may be better than highway numbering,
though.

Hatunen

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Nov 12, 2009, 12:24:48 PM11/12/09
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On Thu, 12 Nov 2009 00:20:05 +0000 (UTC), "Keith F. Lynch"
<k...@KeithLynch.net> wrote:

>A [Temporary] Dog <AMunged...@munged.see.sig> wrote:
>> Don Freeman <free...@cosmoslair.com> wrote:
>>> John Francis wrote:
>>>> Hatunen <hat...@cox.net> wrote:
>>>>> I wonder how many rock groups ripped off real names? There's
>>>>> Jethro Tull and Chicago Transit Authority.
>
>>>> Engelbert Humperdinck, ...
>
>A coworker of mine said he knew him. I was skeptical as I knew the
>composer had died early in the 20th century, and my coworker didn't
>appear to be old. I didn't learn until years later than someone had
>borrowed the composer's name. My coworker was presumably speaking of
>this usurper.

I've seen possible ULs about youngsters a couple of decades ago
questioning the conenction between the opera Hansel and Gretel
and Engelbert Humperdinck.

Youngsters today probably never heard of either Engelbert
Humperdinck.

R H Draney

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Hatunen filted:

>
>I've seen possible ULs about youngsters a couple of decades ago
>questioning the conenction between the opera Hansel and Gretel
>and Engelbert Humperdinck.
>
>Youngsters today probably never heard of either Engelbert
>Humperdinck.

Music-store UL, mutated: was at Half-Price Books a couple of years ago turning
in a few things for cash and noticed a stack of LPs at the buy counter...on top
was the "Go Now" LP by the Moody Blues...the temptation was irresistible....

I picked it up and announced to no one in particular: "Hey, look! Denny Laine
was in another band before Wings!"

R H "once had a car stereo installed by Chad and Jeremy" Draney

David Scheidt

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Nov 12, 2009, 12:49:56 PM11/12/09
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Hatunen <hat...@cox.net> wrote:
:On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 22:21:07 +0000 (UTC), jo...@panix.com (John
:Francis) wrote:

:>In article <hobmf5d66njtmbp2k...@4ax.com>,
:>Hatunen <hat...@cox.net> wrote:
:>>On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 17:41:56 +0000 (UTC), jo...@panix.com (John
:>>Francis) wrote:
:>>
:>>>In article <h3elf5plj7nrc1urt...@4ax.com>,
:>>>Richard Casady <richar...@earthlink.net> wrote:

:>>>For that matter there was also a band called Buffalo Springfield.
:>>>For an indication of just why this is relevant, take a look at
:>>>
:>>> http://www.panix.com/~johnf/temp/springfield.jpg
:>>
:>>Aha. I see there actually was a steam roller of that name, which,
:>>I suppose, was ripped off for the musical group, as in "REO
:>>Speedwagon".
:>>
:>>I wonder how many rock groups ripped off real names? There's
:>>Jethro Tull and Chicago Transit Authority.
:>
:>Engelbert Humperdinck, Edison Lighthouse, ...
:>(And Gilbert O'Sullivan, if you like).

:I don't think Edison Lighthouse counts. As far as I know there
:never was such a thing denoted as Edison lighthouse. Edison
:Kinetoscope, maybe.

No, but there's an Eddystone lighthouse. Not all the world is
america.


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Hatunen

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But is there a rock group called Eddystone Lighthouse?

R H Draney

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Hatunen filted:

>
>On Thu, 12 Nov 2009 17:49:56 +0000 (UTC), David Scheidt
><dsch...@panix.com> wrote:
>
>>Hatunen <hat...@cox.net> wrote:
>>:On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 22:21:07 +0000 (UTC), jo...@panix.com (John
>>:Francis) wrote:
>>
>>:>In article <hobmf5d66njtmbp2k...@4ax.com>,
>>:>Hatunen <hat...@cox.net> wrote:
>>:>>
>>:>>Aha. I see there actually was a steam roller of that name, which,
>>:>>I suppose, was ripped off for the musical group, as in "REO
>>:>>Speedwagon".
>>:>>
>>:>>I wonder how many rock groups ripped off real names? There's
>>:>>Jethro Tull and Chicago Transit Authority.
>>:>
>>:>Engelbert Humperdinck, Edison Lighthouse, ...
>>:>(And Gilbert O'Sullivan, if you like).
>>
>>:I don't think Edison Lighthouse counts. As far as I know there
>>:never was such a thing denoted as Edison lighthouse. Edison
>>:Kinetoscope, maybe.
>>
>>No, but there's an Eddystone lighthouse. Not all the world is
>>america.
>
>But is there a rock group called Eddystone Lighthouse?

Not in the archives:

http://www.brightlightsfilm.com/weirdbandnames/

....r

David DeLaney

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Nov 12, 2009, 10:46:35 AM11/12/09
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Hatunen <hat...@cox.net> wrote:

>jo...@panix.com (John Francis) wrote:
>>Engelbert Humperdinck, Edison Lighthouse, ...
>>(And Gilbert O'Sullivan, if you like).
>
>I don't think Edison Lighthouse counts. As far as I know there
>never was such a thing denoted as Edison lighthouse. Edison
>Kinetoscope, maybe.
>
>>Do we really want to go there?
>
>It may be too late. it may be better than highway numbering, though.

We could always check their G\"odel numbering...

Dave "inability to tell whether a thread has ended" DeLaney
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Warren Oates

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Nov 12, 2009, 4:20:56 PM11/12/09
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In article <n3hof5te8rulcmsat...@4ax.com>,
Hatunen <hat...@cox.net> wrote:

> Youngsters today probably never heard of either Engelbert
> Humperdinck.

Or Jethro Tull.
--
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with a giant halfwit on a dark deserted street.
-- Chester Himes

Mac

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Nov 13, 2009, 12:38:41 AM11/13/09
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On Nov 12, 10:20 am, Hatunen <hatu...@cox.net> wrote:
> On Thu, 12 Nov 2009 17:49:56 +0000 (UTC), David Scheidt
>
>
>
> <dsche...@panix.com> wrote:

> >Hatunen <hatu...@cox.net> wrote:
> >:On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 22:21:07 +0000 (UTC), jo...@panix.com (John
> >:Francis) wrote:
>
> >:>In article <hobmf5d66njtmbp2kfsbpph2r7de9hk...@4ax.com>,

> >:>Hatunen  <hatu...@cox.net> wrote:
> >:>>On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 17:41:56 +0000 (UTC), jo...@panix.com (John
> >:>>Francis) wrote:
> >:>>
> >:>>>In article <h3elf5plj7nrc1urtfgp087e3nallbp...@4ax.com>,

> >:>>>Richard Casady  <richardcas...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> >:>>>For that matter there was also a band called Buffalo Springfield.
> >:>>>For an indication of just why this is relevant, take a look at
> >:>>>
> >:>>>    http://www.panix.com/~johnf/temp/springfield.jpg
> >:>>
> >:>>Aha. I see there actually was a steam roller of that name, which,
> >:>>I suppose, was ripped off for the musical group, as in "REO
> >:>>Speedwagon".
> >:>>
> >:>>I wonder how many rock groups ripped off real names? There's
> >:>>Jethro Tull and Chicago Transit Authority.
> >:>
> >:>Engelbert Humperdinck, Edison Lighthouse, ...
> >:>(And Gilbert O'Sullivan, if you like).
>
> >:I don't think Edison Lighthouse counts. As far as I know there
> >:never was such a thing denoted as Edison lighthouse. Edison
> >:Kinetoscope, maybe.
>
> >No, but there's an Eddystone lighthouse.  Not all the world is
> >america.
>
> But is there a rock group called Eddystone Lighthouse?

Shouldn't you ask its god-damned keeper?

Anthony "let sleeping mermaids lie" McCafferty

Nick Spalding

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Nov 13, 2009, 3:05:28 AM11/13/09
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Mac wrote, in
<b351d21a-4ec5-458b...@u36g2000prn.googlegroups.com>
on Thu, 12 Nov 2009 21:38:41 -0800 (PST):

No can do. It hasn't had a keeper for years, in common with (nearly?)
all lights around the UK and Ireland, even land-based ones.
--
Nick Spalding

Mac

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Nov 13, 2009, 12:42:47 PM11/13/09
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On Nov 13, 12:05 am, Nick Spalding <spald...@iol.ie> wrote:
> Mac wrote, in
> <b351d21a-4ec5-458b-b2b7-b467555bb...@u36g2000prn.googlegroups.com>

So, no more porposes and porgies? The world will be a sadder place,
full of frustrated mermaids.

Don Freeman

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Nov 13, 2009, 12:58:16 PM11/13/09
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Mermaids have always been frustrated, comes from having one's naughty
bits scaled over.

--
-Don

www.cosmoslair.com

R H Draney

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Nov 13, 2009, 1:13:29 PM11/13/09
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Don Freeman filted:

>
>Mac wrote:
>>
>> So, no more porposes and porgies? The world will be a sadder place,
>> full of frustrated mermaids.
>
>Mermaids have always been frustrated, comes from having one's naughty
>bits scaled over.

They got ointments for that now, you know....r

Don Freeman

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Nov 13, 2009, 1:17:49 PM11/13/09
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R H Draney wrote:
> Don Freeman filted:
>> Mac wrote:
>>> So, no more porposes and porgies? The world will be a sadder place,
>>> full of frustrated mermaids.
>> Mermaids have always been frustrated, comes from having one's naughty
>> bits scaled over.
>
> They got ointments for that now, you know....r
>
>

I bow to your extensive knowledge of scaly naughty bits.

--
-Don

www.cosmoslair.com

R H Draney

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Nov 13, 2009, 4:16:38 PM11/13/09
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Don Freeman filted:

I in turn salute your rash decision....r

cryptoguy

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Nov 18, 2009, 4:15:26 PM11/18/09
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On Nov 11, 4:44 pm, Hatunen <hatu...@cox.net> wrote:
> On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 17:41:56 +0000 (UTC), jo...@panix.com (John
>
>
>
>
>
> Francis) wrote:
> >In article <h3elf5plj7nrc1urtfgp087e3nallbp...@4ax.com>,

> >Richard Casady  <richardcas...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> >> There actually is a band called Mannheim Steamroller,
> >> believe it or not.
>
> >Oh, I believe it.  My brother was a fan of their "Fresh Aire"
> >albums (the first from around thirty-five years ago, IIRC).
>
> >I always thought it would be a good name for a heavy metal
> >band, but that was most definitely not a description that
> >could accurately be applied to Mannheim Steamroller.
>
> >For that matter there was also a band called Buffalo Springfield.
> >For an indication of just why this is relevant, take a look at
>
> >    http://www.panix.com/~johnf/temp/springfield.jpg
>
> Aha. I see there actually was a steam roller of that name, which,
> I suppose, was ripped off for the musical group, as in "REO
> Speedwagon".
>
> I wonder how many rock groups ripped off real names? There's
> Jethro Tull and Chicago Transit Authority.

Steely Dan.

pt

Hatunen

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What on earth was the original Steely Dan?

A [Temporary] Dog

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Nov 18, 2009, 6:19:25 PM11/18/09
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On Wed, 18 Nov 2009 15:57:33 -0700, Hatunen <hat...@cox.net> painted

a red bull's eye on his forehead, ascended the altar of Fluffy and
shouted:

>On Wed, 18 Nov 2009 13:15:26 -0800 (PST), cryptoguy


><treif...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Nov 11, 4:44�pm, Hatunen <hatu...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>>> Aha. I see there actually was a steam roller of that name, which,
>>> I suppose, was ripped off for the musical group, as in "REO
>>> Speedwagon".
>>>
>>> I wonder how many rock groups ripped off real names? There's
>>> Jethro Tull and Chicago Transit Authority.
>>
>>Steely Dan
>
>What on earth was the original Steely Dan?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naked_Lunch
"The band Steely Dan takes its name from a dildo featured in the book"

--
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use the domain that is nym hush with tempdog as a name for email

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R H Draney

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Nov 18, 2009, 7:12:56 PM11/18/09
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A [Temporary] Dog" <AMunged...@munged.see.sig> filted:

>
>On Wed, 18 Nov 2009 15:57:33 -0700, Hatunen <hat...@cox.net> painted
>a red bull's eye on his forehead, ascended the altar of Fluffy and
>shouted:
>
>>On Wed, 18 Nov 2009 13:15:26 -0800 (PST), cryptoguy
>><treif...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Nov 11, 4:44�pm, Hatunen <hatu...@cox.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I wonder how many rock groups ripped off real names? There's
>>>> Jethro Tull and Chicago Transit Authority.
>>>
>>>Steely Dan
>>
>>What on earth was the original Steely Dan?
>
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naked_Lunch
>"The band Steely Dan takes its name from a dildo featured in the book"

Does anyone know any songs about dildos, or know anyone who does?...r

Hatunen

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Nov 18, 2009, 11:55:22 PM11/18/09
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On Wed, 18 Nov 2009 18:19:25 -0500, "A [Temporary] Dog"
<AMunged...@munged.see.sig> wrote:

>On Wed, 18 Nov 2009 15:57:33 -0700, Hatunen <hat...@cox.net> painted
>a red bull's eye on his forehead, ascended the altar of Fluffy and
>shouted:
>
>>On Wed, 18 Nov 2009 13:15:26 -0800 (PST), cryptoguy
>><treif...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Nov 11, 4:44�pm, Hatunen <hatu...@cox.net> wrote:
>>
>>>> Aha. I see there actually was a steam roller of that name, which,
>>>> I suppose, was ripped off for the musical group, as in "REO
>>>> Speedwagon".
>>>>
>>>> I wonder how many rock groups ripped off real names? There's
>>>> Jethro Tull and Chicago Transit Authority.
>>>
>>>Steely Dan
>>
>>What on earth was the original Steely Dan?
>
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naked_Lunch
>"The band Steely Dan takes its name from a dildo featured in the book"

Cool...

Thomas Prufer

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On 18 Nov 2009 16:12:56 -0800, R H Draney <dado...@spamcop.net> wrote:

>Does anyone know any songs about dildos, or know anyone who does?...r

Yes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tm9UklULTjo


Thomas "or was that a rhetorical question?" Prufer

D.F. Manno

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Nov 29, 2009, 8:00:35 PM11/29/09
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In article <qtgof59hibi7dberb...@4ax.com>,
Hatunen <hat...@cox.net> wrote:

> I don't think Edison Lighthouse counts. As far as I know there
> never was such a thing denoted as Edison lighthouse.

There is, however, a Lighthouse at Edison:

http://www.realestate.com/NJ/Edison/24000888-Edison-NJ-08837-rental.aspx

--
D.F. Manno | dfm...@mail.com
Religion ... the only winning move is not to play!

Chuk Goodin

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On Thu, 12 Nov 2009 10:24:48 -0700, Hatunen <hat...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>I've seen possible ULs about youngsters a couple of decades ago
>questioning the conenction between the opera Hansel and Gretel
>and Engelbert Humperdinck.
>
>Youngsters today probably never heard of either Engelbert
>Humperdinck.

I'm a 39 year old youngster and I've only heard of the latter one. Why the
hell would someone pick that name on purpose?


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chuk

Chuk Goodin

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On Thu, 12 Nov 2009 16:20:56 -0500, Warren Oates <warren...@gmail.com> wrote:
>In article <n3hof5te8rulcmsat...@4ax.com>,
> Hatunen <hat...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>> Youngsters today probably never heard of either Engelbert
>> Humperdinck.
>
>Or Jethro Tull.

Jethro Tull they've heard of. He has a song in Rock Band.

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chuk

Chuk Goodin

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Dec 10, 2009, 6:39:31 PM12/10/09
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On 18 Nov 2009 16:12:56 -0800, R H Draney <dado...@spamcop.net> wrote:
>>>>> I wonder how many rock groups ripped off real names? There's
>>>>> Jethro Tull and Chicago Transit Authority.
>>>>
>>>>Steely Dan
>>>
>>>What on earth was the original Steely Dan?
>>
>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naked_Lunch
>>"The band Steely Dan takes its name from a dildo featured in the book"
>
>Does anyone know any songs about dildos, or know anyone who does?...r

The Arrogant Worms have a song called "A Night in Dildo", but it's about
funny place names.


--
chuk

Keith F. Lynch

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Dec 10, 2009, 8:08:52 PM12/10/09
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Chuk Goodin <cgo...@sfu.ca> wrote:

> Hatunen <hat...@cox.net> wrote:
>> Youngsters today probably never heard of either Engelbert
>> Humperdinck.

> I'm a 39 year old youngster and I've only heard of the latter one.
> Why the hell would someone pick that name on purpose?

Perhaps he wanted to be confused with the original. Like an aspiring
young science fiction author who changes his name to Isaac Asimov to
fool readers into buying his books.

Or maybe he just thought it was a cool-sounding name.
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Hatunen

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On Fri, 11 Dec 2009 01:08:52 +0000 (UTC), "Keith F. Lynch"
<k...@KeithLynch.net> wrote:

>Chuk Goodin <cgo...@sfu.ca> wrote:
>> Hatunen <hat...@cox.net> wrote:
>>> Youngsters today probably never heard of either Engelbert
>>> Humperdinck.
>
>> I'm a 39 year old youngster and I've only heard of the latter one.
>> Why the hell would someone pick that name on purpose?
>
>Perhaps he wanted to be confused with the original. Like an aspiring
>young science fiction author who changes his name to Isaac Asimov to
>fool readers into buying his books.

Since the first one composed operas I don't reckon there would be
a whole lot of overlap in teh potential audience.

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