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Ralph Jones

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Dec 16, 2009, 12:25:15 PM12/16/09
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On Wed, 16 Dec 2009 03:06:04 +0000 (UTC), "Keith F. Lynch"
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>Ralph Jones <ra...@nomeking.kahm> wrote:
>> The town of Clayton, in the northeast corner of New Mexico, bills
>> itself as "The CO2 Capital of America", being situated atop a huge
>> geologic dome filled with the stuff. Occidental Petroleum (aka Oxy)
>> pumps out quite a bit of it.
>
>Are they sure that's not someone's carbon sequestration site?

Actually, most of it goes to Texas where it's used to force oil out of
largely-depleted wells. It does get sequestered in the process, but
then it was already sequestered in the dome before being pumped out,
so that's a bit of a wash. Google "Bravo Dome".

rj

Keith F. Lynch

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Dec 16, 2009, 11:06:30 PM12/16/09
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Ralph Jones <ra...@nomeking.kahm> wrote:
> Actually, most of it goes to Texas where it's used to force oil out
> of largely-depleted wells.

I'm curious why they don't use compressed air for that, rather than
carbon dioxide.
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Mike Ash

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Dec 16, 2009, 11:43:56 PM12/16/09
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In article <hgcao6$n2m$5...@reader1.panix.com>,

"Keith F. Lynch" <k...@KeithLynch.net> wrote:

> Ralph Jones <ra...@nomeking.kahm> wrote:
> > Actually, most of it goes to Texas where it's used to force oil out
> > of largely-depleted wells.
>
> I'm curious why they don't use compressed air for that, rather than
> carbon dioxide.

They probably have some silly objection to placing compressed air in
proximity to large quantities of flammable material.

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Richard Todd

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Dec 16, 2009, 11:45:03 PM12/16/09
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"Keith F. Lynch" <k...@KeithLynch.net> writes:

> Ralph Jones <ra...@nomeking.kahm> wrote:
>> Actually, most of it goes to Texas where it's used to force oil out
>> of largely-depleted wells.
>
> I'm curious why they don't use compressed air for that, rather than
> carbon dioxide.

Flammability issues? We are talking an oil field, after all, so there's
gonna be large quantities of oil down there, and possibly amounts of lighter,
more volatile hydrocarbons like methane. Adding air to the mix might run the
risk of having something catch fire or explode down there, which would
probably be a Bad Thing.

Though if that's the case, N2 might work, so there may be some other reason
CO2 is preferred instead.

Richard D. Latham

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Dec 17, 2009, 11:23:56 AM12/17/09
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Mike Ash <mi...@mikeash.com> writes:

> In article <hgcao6$n2m$5...@reader1.panix.com>,
> "Keith F. Lynch" <k...@KeithLynch.net> wrote:
>
>> Ralph Jones <ra...@nomeking.kahm> wrote:
>> > Actually, most of it goes to Texas where it's used to force oil out
>> > of largely-depleted wells.
>>
>> I'm curious why they don't use compressed air for that, rather than
>> carbon dioxide.
>
> They probably have some silly objection to placing compressed air in
> proximity to large quantities of flammable material.
>

If you have a friend that works at a shop where they do gas welding,
ask them what happens if some newbie lubricates the fittings on the
oxygen lines with a petroleum based solvent.


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Charles Wm. Dimmick

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Dec 17, 2009, 2:04:02 PM12/17/09
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Keith F. Lynch wrote:
> Ralph Jones <ra...@nomeking.kahm> wrote:
>> Actually, most of it goes to Texas where it's used to force oil out
>> of largely-depleted wells.
>
> I'm curious why they don't use compressed air for that, rather than
> carbon dioxide.

Oxygen oxidizes the oil, causing it to thicken and be harder to remove
from the pore spaces.

Charles

Dimensional Traveler

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Dec 17, 2009, 7:38:20 PM12/17/09
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Richard D. Latham wrote:
> Mike Ash <mi...@mikeash.com> writes:
>
>> In article <hgcao6$n2m$5...@reader1.panix.com>,
>> "Keith F. Lynch" <k...@KeithLynch.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Ralph Jones <ra...@nomeking.kahm> wrote:
>>>> Actually, most of it goes to Texas where it's used to force oil out
>>>> of largely-depleted wells.
>>> I'm curious why they don't use compressed air for that, rather than
>>> carbon dioxide.
>> They probably have some silly objection to placing compressed air in
>> proximity to large quantities of flammable material.
>>
>
> If you have a friend that works at a shop where they do gas welding,
> ask them what happens if some newbie lubricates the fittings on the
> oxygen lines with a petroleum based solvent.
>
At a guess, I'd say something that James Nicoll has personally
experienced at least once in his life. :-P

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Keith F. Lynch

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Dec 17, 2009, 8:45:05 PM12/17/09
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Richard D. Latham <lat...@verizon.net> wrote:
> If you have a friend that works at a shop where they do gas welding,
> ask them what happens if some newbie lubricates the fittings on the
> oxygen lines with a petroleum based solvent.

What do they use as a lubricant instead?

Wayne Throop

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Dec 17, 2009, 9:47:15 PM12/17/09
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:: If you have a friend that works at a shop where they do gas welding,

:: ask them what happens if some newbie lubricates the fittings on the
:: oxygen lines with a petroleum based solvent.

: "Keith F. Lynch" <k...@KeithLynch.net>
: What do they use as a lubricant instead?

I'd expect http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silicone_oil


Wayne Throop thr...@sheol.org http://sheol.org/throopw

Mike Ash

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Dec 17, 2009, 11:23:47 PM12/17/09
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lat...@verizon.net (Richard D. Latham) wrote:

> Mike Ash <mi...@mikeash.com> writes:
>
> > In article <hgcao6$n2m$5...@reader1.panix.com>,
> > "Keith F. Lynch" <k...@KeithLynch.net> wrote:
> >
> >> Ralph Jones <ra...@nomeking.kahm> wrote:
> >> > Actually, most of it goes to Texas where it's used to force oil out
> >> > of largely-depleted wells.
> >>
> >> I'm curious why they don't use compressed air for that, rather than
> >> carbon dioxide.
> >
> > They probably have some silly objection to placing compressed air in
> > proximity to large quantities of flammable material.
>
> If you have a friend that works at a shop where they do gas welding,
> ask them what happens if some newbie lubricates the fittings on the
> oxygen lines with a petroleum based solvent.

I don't know anyone who works at such a shop, but I do hang around a lot
of people who occasionally use oxygen equipment for high-altitude
flying, and the same trouble can occur there.

Richard D. Latham

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Dec 18, 2009, 11:02:44 PM12/18/09
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"Keith F. Lynch" <k...@KeithLynch.net> writes:

> Richard D. Latham <lat...@verizon.net> wrote:
>> If you have a friend that works at a shop where they do gas welding,
>> ask them what happens if some newbie lubricates the fittings on the
>> oxygen lines with a petroleum based solvent.
>
> What do they use as a lubricant instead?

OK, you caught me out ... I have to admit that I don't remember.

Thomas Prufer

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Dec 19, 2009, 2:57:37 AM12/19/09
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On Fri, 18 Dec 2009 22:02:44 -0600, lat...@verizon.net (Richard D. Latham)
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>OK, you caught me out ... I have to admit that I don't remember.

Teflon tape?


Thomas Prufer

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