weeping willow stuff
brigid
wanted to try to do something on the weeping willow, since we were
having a conversation over here. i'm having problems finding stuff on
the web (esp. since for some reason, i can't download .zip files, even
though i have winzip95).
so does anyone have any sites with w.w. folklore? and is anyone sure
that you can make aspirin out of weeping willow bark - i have to be
certain for myself.
i was going to post the summary of what i remember from around here:
some native american tribes say that the weeping willow is an evil
plant. at night, a weeping willow's spirit will call to you, and if you
visit it, the trunk will open and swallow you whole.
i would appreciate a) corrections and b)some fleshing out, because it
would be a disservice to a.f.h to give them less than the best.
thanks,
brigid
Ali
>some native american tribes say that the weeping willow is an evil
>plant. at night, a weeping willow's spirit will call to you, and if you
>visit it, the trunk will open and swallow you whole.
Uh-oh :) I have a massive weeping willow in my back garden...
As far as i'm concerned, it's a lovely tree, very beautiful, and I haven't
noticed anything the least bit evil about it.
Ali
Skye
white willow bark when I have a headache and it works well.
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brigid <mdb...@acs.tamu.edu> wrote in article
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> <snip>
> so does anyone have any sites with w.w. folklore? and is anyone sure
> that you can make aspirin out of weeping willow bark - i have to be
> certain for myself.
>
> <snip>
> thanks,
> brigid
>
Jayne
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rivers and next to ponds, etc....
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> In article <6ot4bl$m5l$1...@taliesin.netcom.net.uk>, Ali
> <oce...@rocketmail.com> writes
> >
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John Suffill
writes
>okay, i promised the herb group i would post some folklore - and i
>wanted to try to do something on the weeping willow, since we were
>having a conversation over here. i'm having problems finding stuff on
>the web (esp. since for some reason, i can't download .zip files, even
>though i have winzip95).
Here's what Culpeper says about it (I've missed out the description etc,
we all know what it looks like).
Government and virtues - The Moon owns it. The leaves, bark, and seeds
are used to staunch the bleeding of wounds, and at mouth and nose,
spitting of blood, and other fluxes of blood in man or woman, to stay
vomiting, and the provocation thereto, if the decoction of them in wine
be drunk. It helps to stay thin, hot, sharp, salt distillations from
the head upon the lungs, causing consumpion. The leaves bruised with
pepper, and drank in wine, help in the wind-colic. Water that is
gathered from the Willow, when it flowers, the bark being slit, is very
good for dimness of sight, or films that frow over the eyes, staying the
rheums that fall into them; it provokes urine, if drank, and clears the
face and skin from spots and discolourings. The decoction of the leaves
or bark in wine, takes away scurf and dandrif (sic) by washing the place
with it.
I should note, I would -never- try to use any of Culpeper's remedies
out. Anyone who lists Bots, Felons, Flagging Breasts and Vertigo
amongst his list of ailments is definitely not to be trusted.....
It's an interesting book though, almost as funny as The Elixirs of
Nostradamus!
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thestrawguy
In Celtic tree lore, the willow represented the time period which is
approximately February for us. The Celtic year was basically split into 2
periods: winter and summer. The year began at the beginning of winter, when
everything was dormant. That way, it ended on a happy note, when they had
harvested all their goods. Saille (the name of the month) was also called
"the time to stay indoors" or "the cool month".
The Celts believed that there were 3 bridges to the otherworld: caves,
rivers, and trees. All trees were inhabited, and had personalities of their
own, in a way. They were a way to contact the spirit world.
If you're very interested in the tree lore, and you don't mind wading
through scholarly info, you should read Robert Graves' "The White Goddess"
(who is the willow). In one section of his book, Graves discusses a poem
called "Cad Goddeu" (The Battle of the Trees), which is found in the middle
of a huge epic. Strung together the way it is handed down, it makes no
sense. It's just a bunch of lines about some trees.
However, it's actually a riddle, and the way Graves has solved it is by
re-ordering the lines, and splitting it into a few different poems. In this
poem, it is said that the "Willow and rowan-tree, Were tardy in array" (both
trees represented winter months).
This also relates to the mistletoe thread that we had. "The Battle of
the Trees" is yet another riddle unto itself, which you should be able to
solve when it's put together. According to Graves, the last stanza could be:
But I, although slighted
Because I was not big,
Fought, trees, in your array
On the field of Goddeu Brig.
Who was passed over because they were too small to pay attention to?
Little mistletoe. : )
The first part of this info I got from someone else (a class I
attended), while the last part is from Graves' book. Even though the last
bit about the poem is confusing, I hope it helps.
Sheri
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kar...@webtv.net
but they were both friendly trees.. and liked for kids to play in them..
the one was VERY accommodating.. and had its branches so low.. that even
in kindergarten.. we could climb in it..
when i was in fourth grade.. one february.. (seems like it was around
valentines day.. but i could be wrong).. i was walking to school in the
snow.. and for some reason.. i got very exhausted when i got to the
school yard.. and when i got to the tree.. i crawled up inside it..
(huge hollowed out spot in the main trunk)... and sat inside this
weeping willow tree.. for who knows how long..
(i was quite the day dreamer.. so who knows how long it lasted.. ).. but
i was a little bit late.. i think the bell finally got me out of it..
anyhow.. i felt totally protected in there..
that was a grand old tree..
karlii
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>Correct me all, if I'm wrong.......but isn't Yggdrisil (sp?) a willow tree?
>
>
Nope, Yggdrasil is an ash.
Dana
Meredith Robbins
> I don't know if it's significant, but I've noticed a lot of these trees
> in cemetaries!
Then Skye chimed in with:
> That's weird because willows tend to grow in watery areas, like along
> rivers and next to ponds, etc....
I think probably the weeping willows one sees in cemteries don't grow
there naturally; grieving relatives/guys who run the cemetery probably
plant them there what with the symbolism with the weeping and whatnot.
Also, you don't have to mow under them!
Meredith
Jaye Lee
brigid wrote:
okay, i promised the herb group i would post some folklore - and i
wanted to try to do something on the weeping willow, since we were
having a conversation over here. i'm having problems finding stuff on
the web (esp. since for some reason, i can't download .zip files, even
though i have winzip95).
so does anyone have any sites with w.w. folklore? and is anyone sure
that you can make aspirin out of weeping willow bark - i have to be
certain for myself.
i was going to post the summary of what i remember from around here:
some native american tribes say that the weeping willow is an evil
plant. at night, a weeping willow's spirit will call to you, and if you
visit it, the trunk will open and swallow you whole.
i would appreciate a) corrections and b)some fleshing out, because it
would be a disservice to a.f.h to give them less than the best.
thanks,
brigid
My text books list it as "white willow" "Salix alba". Im not sure if this is refering to the same variety commonly known as 'weeping willow", but Im under the impression that their chemical make-up is very similar. The pain-fighting substance is salicin, and its considered an alternative to aspirin. You know I cant seem to find a single reference to willows among my collection of Native american folklore, not even in the medicinal stuff. But most of what Ive got is Western and Cantral American tribes, so that narrows it down to half a continent for you, I suppose. =)
Matthew Miller
: brigid wrote:
: > so does anyone have any sites with w.w. folklore? and is anyone sure
: > that you can make aspirin out of weeping willow bark - i have to be
: > certain for myself.
...
: > some native american tribes say that the weeping willow is an evil
: > plant. at night, a weeping willow's spirit will call to you, and if you
: > visit it, the trunk will open and swallow you whole.
: My text books list it as "white willow" "Salix alba".
The weeping willow is Salix babylonica.
This site describes folklore which indicates the willow as a *protector
against* evil --
http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/3787/folklore/willow.html
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Feedrus
>under the impression that their chemical make-up is very similar. The
>pain-fighting substance is salicin, and its considered an alternative to
>aspirin.
Actually the pain fighting element from the Willow salicin ( I would give the
chemical name but cant spell it) does come from the bark.. And Aspirin still
comes from the bark.. Aspirin is just a trade name for acetysalisalic acid (I
hope I spelled that right) which is what you get from Willow bark when you make
a tea with it.
Jeff
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thumper
>
> Actually the pain fighting element from the Willow salicin ( I would give the
> chemical name but cant spell it) does come from the bark.. And Aspirin still
> comes from the bark.. Aspirin is just a trade name for acetysalisalic acid (I
> hope I spelled that right) which is what you get from Willow bark when you make
> a tea with it.
Sorry to rain on your parade, but aspirin has not been made from willow
bark since some German chemist (can't remember his name right now, but
the story was on the Discovery channel not too long ago) synthesized
salicytic (I hope I spelled that right, too!) acid over a hundred and
some years ago.
Skye
Aspirin is made out of salicyn <sp> which comes from white willow bark. I
make tea out of it and drink it when I have hip pain (bursitus) or cramps.
It works wonderfully.
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