> D.J. wrote
>> jmfbahciv <See.ab...@aol.com> wrote
>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>> jmfbahciv <See.ab...@aol.com> wrote
>>>>> Walter Banks wrote
>>>>>> jmfbahciv wrote
>>>>>>> The health care delivery system is different in the US.
>>>>>>> You keep assuming that access to health care services
>>>>>>> will increase. It has been diminishing for the last 20
>>>>>>> years. the mandate will just hasten the decrease.
>>>>>> I have lived in both the US and Canada. The co-pay and insurance
>>>>>> limits in the US is driving people away from health care before a
>>>>>> condition becomes chronic. (One of the reasons that the US
>>>>>> chronic care is the best in the world) Real access to health care
>>>>>> in 10-15 years would dramatically reduce expensive chronic care
>>>>>> and increase life expectancy.
>>>>> There is another reason access is limited and that's
>>>>> not being able to get a PCP (primary care physician).
>>>> You can ALWAYS get a PCP.
>>> No, one cannot.
>> I don't know of anyone in my area who has problems getting to a
>> regular MD as there are many such people here. Well, maybe right
>> after Katrina hit, but doctor offices have been opening back up.
> You know me. I could not get a new PCP when I was in Mass.
> People on Medicare couldn't get a new doctor because doctors
> weren't accepting new patients who had that kind of insurance.
> This was happening in Mass and is happening here in Mich.
When you so utterly mangle what happens with librarys, and with
the tax deduction for dependants, and we can check that you have
utterly mangled the story with both of those, you will have to pardon
us if we don’t buy you claim on that either when its harder to check.
And whatever may or may not happen with medicare, can't
with the insurance mandate, because almost everyone will
have that sort of insurance, so they won't be able refuse to
accept those, because they won't get any work if they do.
They'll just have to accept that the system has changed.
> Patrick Scheible wrote
>> jmfbahciv <See.ab...@aol.com> wrote
>>> David Dyer-Bennet wrote
>>>> jmfbahciv <See.ab...@aol.com> wrote
>>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>>> jmfbahciv <See.ab...@aol.com> wrote
>>>>>>> No. That library removed books if they hadn't been used.
>>>>>>> this was a completely different purge.
>>>>>> Even if it did happen, they reversed it, because its
>>>>>> not true anymore even with that particular library.
>>>>> Oh, com'on. Asiimov wrote hundreds of books and the only
>>>>> ones they have left are the ones related to the I, Robot movie.
Why would they have done that if they wanted to eliminate all books for boys ?
>>>>> THEY DUMPED ALL THE OTHERS and there dozens of them.
> <http://bark.cwmars.org/eg/opac/results?fi%3Aitem_type=a&query=Isaac+A...>
>>>> shows Southborough Public Library holding 4 pages worth of Asimov >>>> books,
>>>> few of which seem to have any connection to the movie. I got to that
>>>> URL starting from <http://www.southboroughlib.org/library-catalog/>.
>>> When I was living there, all of Asimov was gone. I looked on
>>> the shelves. I also have a couple dozen of his books here.
>>> ARe you sure it's in Southboro or part of the MARS listing?
>> I'm seeing 33 Asimov books and e-books available in Southborough,
>> and many more in MARS. That includes some of his nonfiction, such as:
>> Asimov on Astronomy
>> Asimov's Guide to Science
>> Asimov's Guide to Shakespeare
>> Building Blocks of the Universe
>> Exploring the Earth and the Cosmos: the Growth and Future of Human
>> Knowledge
>> Extraterrestrial Civilizations
>> The Greeks: a Great Adventure
>> The New Intelligent Man's Guide to Science
>> Did you look in the catalog? Maybe some
>> Asimov lovers checked them all out.
> I'll have to unpack my boxes; something smells.
Yeah, your claim has blown up in your face and covered you with black stuff, again.
No point in unpacking your boxes, its whats in the catalog that matters.
> Some of those titles are familiar.
Wota surprise.
>> I can see a small public library discarding many of its older science
>> books. Preserving history of science is important, but it's more the job
>> of university and national libraries rather than a town public library.
> I understand about discardings. this was a purge based on sexism.
Or so you claim. We can see for ourselves that that is a lie.
> the "official" reason given was to clear shelves. The
> real reason was to eliminate books written for boys
Clearly didn’t happen. With books on engineering and motor
mechanics either. We can see those in the catalog RIGHT NOW.
> and any books which would keep females in their
> place (that's why the crafts books were deleted).
THEY ARE THERE IN THE CATALOG RIGHT NOW.
Some stupid cow may have binned lots of books
that didn’t get used much, but clearly that terminal
stupidity was reversed if it ever happened, BECAUSE
ALL THE BOOKS YOU CLAIM WERE BINNED ARE ALL
THERE VISIBLE IN THE CATALOG RIGHT NOW.
> Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote
>> Dan Espen <des...@verizon.net> wrote
>>> Peter Flass <Peter_Fl...@Yahoo.com> wrote
>>>> Charles Richmond wrote
>>>>> George W. Bush did *not* ( and does *not*)
>>>>> have the brains that God gave a screwdriver!!!
>>>>> He will be remembered in history... among the
>>>>> two or three *worst* Presidents of the US.
>>>> Obama's making him look better every day.
>>> Yeah, just the other day he let some terrorists blow up the
>>> tallest buildings in the USA and kill thousands of US citizens.
>>> Then he started a war against a country on false pretenses.
>>> Then he let the terrorist that committed the
>>> worst act of terrorism on US soil walk.
>>> That Obama guy is just terrible.
>>> Then he empowered the US enforcement agencies
>>> to torture anyone they could accuse of terrorism.
>>> Then he took away your rights and sent you to Guantanamo.
>>> Bet he raised your taxes too.
>>> Yep, can't wait for the Romney Era.
>>> It's gonna be great.
>> One day it might dawn on both of you that both
>> of them have had fuck all effect on anything.
>> Obama in spades.
> I'm well aware of the limitations of all the branches of government.
But haven't even noticed that Obama has actually done sweet fuck all.
All you can really claim for him personally is the GM
bailout and even that's very arguably due to him alone.
> IMO that's a good thing.
But you still keep rabbitting on about particular Prezs.
> If you think packing the Supreme Court with Conservatives had "f**k all" > effect
Having fun thrashing that straw man ?
Have fun listing a damned thing that Obama has achieved that way.
Or the shrub for that matter.
Whats MUCH more important is congress, and even that just
fiddles at the edges, and isnt what produced the complete
implode of much of the world's financial system, again.
"Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> writes:
> Dan Espen <des...@verizon.net> wrote
>> If you think packing the Supreme Court with Conservatives had "f**k
>> all" effect
> Having fun thrashing that straw man ?
> Have fun listing a damned thing that Obama has achieved that way.
Well, this diversion is particularly pointless as I can see you're stuck
on this.
Obama appointed 2 Supreme Court justices so far.
True he's made no progress, the luck of the draw and all but at least
we didn't get 2 more conservatives which would have guaranteed that
Obama's biggest accomplishment (ACA) hasn't gone down in flames...yet.
If you think the USA would be in exactly the same state today with
McCain/Palin, well, as I said, pointless.
blm...@myrealbox.com" <blmblm.myreal...@gmail.com> wrote
> Patrick Scheible <k...@zipcon.net> wrote
>> Dave Garland <dave.garl...@wizinfo.com> wrote
>>> Sam Jones wrote
>>> Dammit Rod, it's hard to follow if you keep using different pseudonyms.
>> I think Mr. Speed has demonstrated that it's not as "trivial" to keep
>> separate identities for separate applications as he was telling BLMBLM a
>> couple of days ago.
> Yes, I had that reaction too. :-)
Too superficial. When you use a false DoB when registering with facebook, you
don't use that every time you use facebook, so it can't bite you on the bum like
that. Even if you lose your password and need to provide the DoB again to get
a new password, the worst a brain fart like that can see is that you have to check
why they aren't giving you a new password when you ask for one.
Hardly the end of civilisation as we know it and not a good reason
to give facebook your real DoB if you don t want to do that.
>>>>>> A "real computer" is something that takes up a whole room, uses lots >>>>>> of
>>>>>> cables as thick as my arm and tons of air conditioning. This
>>>>>> newfangled
>>>>>> stuff that fits in a closet or (gack) on a desktop is just toys.
>>>>>> Real computers have lots of spinning reels of tape and blinkenlights,
>>>>>> card readers churning and line printers noisily chewing thru boxes of
>>>>>> greenbar.
>>>>>> Sadly, I think that even big IBM mainframes are barely in the "whole
>>>>>> room" class anymore.
>>>>> A real computer is something you can kick and expect something to
>>>>> get fixed.
>>>> Well...sometimes. At my PPOE one of the programmers was having a bad >>>> day
>>>> trying to get his program to run on our 7040, so in frustration he >>>> kicked
>>>> the cabinet.
>>>> Hard.
>>>> The target of his foot was the front frame that contained the power
>>>> relays,
>>>> and the result was that the master power contactor dropped out, >>>> obviously
>>>> causing whatever jobs were unlucky enough to be in the current batch to
>>>> be
>>>> lost or at least significantly delayed.
>>> <grin> We heard a story about a customer who shot their PDP-10. didn't
>>> break a thing.
>>>> Oh yes...he later went to work for DEC, and IIRC was part of the Alpha
>>>> design team.
>>> As long as he didn't put the mess in the design ;-). You can't kick
>>> an Alpha.
>>> I used to "fix" my VT05 by lifting one end up an inch or two and then
>>> letting it drop.
>> Even the VT100 was notorious for dry joints, basically where the
>> largest components like transformers were soldered onto the pcb.
> When I was lifting the end up a foot and dropping it, the managers
> took pity and decided that maybe I needed to get a new TTY. It took
> DEC until about 1978 to put a TTY in each office. It took
> an act of god and extraordinary sacrifices to get two.
Fark, wota dinosaur. I only ever kept the one and I decided what everyone got to use.
> Rod Speed wrote
>> jmfbahciv <See.ab...@aol.com> wrote
>>> David Dyer-Bennet wrote
>>>> jmfbahciv <See.ab...@aol.com> wrote
>>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>>> jmfbahciv <See.ab...@aol.com> wrote
>>>>>>> No. That library removed books if they hadn't
>>>>>>> been used. this was a completely different purge.
>>>>>> Even if it did happen, they reversed it, because its
>>>>>> not true anymore even with that particular library.
>>>>> Oh, com'on. Asiimov wrote hundreds of books and the only
>>>>> ones they have left are the ones related to the I, Robot movie.
>>>>> THEY DUMPED ALL THE OTHERS and there dozens of them.
> <http://bark.cwmars.org/eg/opac/results?fi%3Aitem_type=a&query=Isaac+A...>
>>>> shows Southborough Public Library holding 4 pages worth of Asimov >>>> books,
>>>> few of which seem to have any connection to the movie. I got to that
>>>> URL starting from <http://www.southboroughlib.org/library-catalog/>.
>>> When I was living there, all of Asimov was gone.
>> Not anymore.
>>> I looked on the shelves. I also have a couple dozen of his books here.
>>> ARe you sure it's in Southboro
>> Yep, and you'd be able to see that yourself if you had
>> enough of a clue to use the online catalog yourself.
>>> or part of the MARS listing?
>> No its not.
>> And even if it was, that would prove that all the Asimov books
>> had NOT been removed for the reason you claimed ANYWAY.
> It's not *my* claim;
Corse it is.
> that's the reason those books were thrown out.
Turns out that even if they were thrown out, they didn’t
say thrown out, so your CLAIM has blown up in your
face and covered you with black stuff, AGAIN.
> Morten Reistad wrote
>> Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote
>>> Rob Doyle <radioe...@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> David Dyer-Bennet wrote
>>>>>> when I was flying in commercial airplanes, each plane had a phone
>>>>>> you could use. That was a while before the cell phone craze took
>>>>>> off. ISTR airline ads using cell phone availability as a lure.
>>>>> Those on-plane phones were certified for use on airplanes,
>>>>> meaning they'd bee designed to meet FAA requirements and
>>>>> extensively tested to show they didn't interfere with anything.
>>>> True. But they weren't cell phones. They were genuine UHF radios.
>>>>> In other words, their existence says nothing
>>>>> about what other phones might do.
>>>>> The FAA rules are conservative, they ban use of radio stuff
>>>>> that hasn't been shown to be safe. But use of cell phones
>>>>> in commercial airplanes in the USA has never been legal.
>>>>> (It probably will be soon.) So I doubt it's ever been advertised.
>>>> Conventional use of a Cell Phone will never be allowed on a aircraft.
>>> Oh bullshit. They do already and have been for more than a decade now.
>> Regarding CDMA vs GSM :
>> http://www.ursi.org/Proceedings/ProcGA05/pdf/F04.2(0531).pdf >> shows graphs where CDMA capacity deteriorates to near unusable levels
>> at the 8 km distance. Single handsets will probably work way beyond
>> this, but will occupy a grossly overproportional part of cell spectrum.
>> So the difference between GSM and CDMA is one of degree. GSM must
>> punt the handset to a long distance cell at <6 km, where CDMA degrades
>> "gracefully", but at a large cost to overall capacity.
>>>> It breaks the fundamental paradigm of "cellular"
>>>> system - small cells with lots of frequency reuse.
>>> Works fine anyway.
>> A single phone will work fine, but it does simply not scale.
>> A system like a SoundWin mobile (SIP/H323 gateway to GSM) will work
>> fine, too, and can provide up to 16 GSM talk channels in a single
>> radio interface. (I use these as backups for phone service on rural
>> SIP systems I install).
>>>> The problem with airborne cell phones are the coverage volume.
>>>> A single cell phone at 40000+ feet above LA would illuminate a
>>>> 100 mile by 100 mile (thats 10,000 square miles) swath of cell
>>>> phone towers. At that altitude, the line of sight is 240 nautical
>>>> miles so I'm being conservative. The ground-based cell phone
>>>> infrastructure would have no possible way to reject this signal.
>>> They do have and do that fine every single day. Every single hour too.
>>>> Do you think for an instance that a cell phone provider is going to let
>>>> your airborne cell phone occupy a channel on 10,000 cell phone towers?
>>> It doesn't.
>> CDMA degrades sufficiently fast, like 10baseT ethernet, that the
>> handset/base connections will break down by itself when there are
>> 10+ phones locally trying to connect to a system 10+ km away.
>> The frequency allocations suffer briefly, but the handsets will give
>> up rather fast. They will effectively smother each other. Same effect
>> as 10 stations near one end of a too long 10baseT coax.
>> GSM does not, if the remote base is a long distance one. The mere
>> precense of the GSM phones is probably not a great burden, even some
>> SMS traffic will probably be handled quite gracefully. But if 10+
>> people start talking they will blanket the whole area.
>>>> Instead of 10,000 otherwise paying customers? Not in 1e6 years.
>>>> The only way you'll be able to use a cell phone
>>>> in an aircraft is if the aircraft has a "pico cell".
>>> Nice theory. Now have fun explaining how private pilots and
>>> our emergency services use cell phones all the fucking time.
>> That will work all right. A single phone in a small plane
>> will work just fine, but it will use a lot of frequency resources.
>> If this is one of 4 phones-in-plane in that outback county, fine,
>> the frequency allocation is not an issue.
>> A small GSM remote system normally comes with 4 frequencies enabled,
>> and use 8 timeslots on each, 4 of which are usable at long range.
>> They use one timeslot for signalling, and may have another reserved
>> for SMS etc, leaving 14 usable slots for long range communications.
>> These have 256k backhaul lines; or often they make a 2-megabit
>> ring between cells using licensed frequencies in other bands.
>> Nokia, Ericsson and Motorola all make ready-to-roll systems like this.
>> So there is room for 14 calls "out in the open", which is plenty
>> enough for a handful of ambulances and ten small planes dotting the sky.
>> CDMA use an access protocol that is different, and degrades gradually,
>> but the limits for a small site in the outback are similar.
>> What will NOT work in such a scenario is a 747 full of chatters.
>> A common-radio unit will work a lot better, because it can send
>> synchronised bursts of cell data, thereby utilising the frequencies
>> a lot better.
> How do trains, espeically the commute trains, work?
Varys with the detail. Those that have much of the system underground
have systems for getting the signal underground, basically leaky coax in
the tunnels etc and often microcells at the stations.
The long distance high speed trains in places like Japan
and France do it similarly to how its done in planes.
But none of those use the cdma system.
> Don't they have the same problems?
Nope, quite different ones, particularly with underground trains.
There just isnt any signal to use unless you do something about
that. And those don’t go any faster than cars do.
> Peter Flass wrote
>> jmfbahciv wrote
>>> Walter Banks wrote
>>>> Peter Flass wrote
>>>>> Morten Reistad wrote
>>>>>> Therefore the quotes. This "real computer" label has been with
>>>>>> this newsgroup for a few decades. The meaning is to define
>>>>>> a sufficiently powerful computer to run a multuser, reentrant,
>>>>>> multitasking system with memory protection and support of
>>>>>> concepts like processes, hardware and software interrupts etc.
>>>>> A "real computer" is something that takes up a whole room, uses
>>>>> lots of cables as thick as my arm and tons of air conditioning. This
>>>>> newfangled stuff that fits in a closet or (gack) on a desktop is just >>>>> toys.
>>>>> Real computers have lots of spinning reels of tape and blinkenlights, >>>>> card
>>>>> readers churning and line printers noisily chewing thru boxes of >>>>> greenbar.
>>>>> Sadly, I think that even big IBM mainframes are barely in the "whole
>>>>> room" class anymore.
>>>> In the early 70's I did a few conference papers for some personal >>>> computer
>>>> shows/faire's and at the time I was working at the University of >>>> Waterloo.
>>>> I received a polite official note asking me not to associate the >>>> University
>>>> with personal computers. They explained that personal toy computers >>>> were
>>>> a passing fad.
>>> ROTFLMAO. Did you save the note?
>>> That one's better than the one about using more than 640K or whatever >>> the
>>> number was.
>> Actually it appears to be proving true. We had a thread here (IIRC)
>> about falling PC sales. Tablets and smart phones are displacing PCs.
>> If all you need to do is send email, upload pictures, and surf the web,
>> who needs to be chained to a PC? I wouldn't be sitting here if I could
>> 1) figure out how to get decent usenet access on by iPhone and 2) were
>> able to type better on the on-screen keyboard. I type badly enough on a
>> real keyboard, and the on-screen thingy has serious limitations, like no
>> non-destructive backspace.
>> At any rate, the PC market is becoming less significant.
> I don't see how kids are going to do their schoolwork on handhelds.
They do anyway. In college and uni in spades.
> Unless reading writing and 'rithmetic is eliminated from the ciricula.
Even you should be able to work out how to use a handheld for reading.
> Peter Flass wrote
>> David Dyer-Bennet wrote
>>> You don't use math much in art, or english, or >>> foreign languages, or history, or social studies.
>> You might not realize it, but you do. Maybe the stuff they call "art"
>> these days not so much, but perspective is based on math. History >> and Social Studies - at least the history that's not just memorizing >> a list of presidents should involve a lot of statistics, maybe not at >> the high school level, but later on. Foreign languages I'll concede.
> Once upon a time, all scientific papers were written in German.
Like hell they ever were.
> So all the math, especially in physics, had to be translated.
Not from german.
> Math is used everywhee.
Wrong again. It isnt used in lots of places. It isnt used in poetry or shakespeare etc etc etc.
> Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> write
>> Dan Espen <des...@verizon.net> wrote
>>> If you think packing the Supreme Court
>>> with Conservatives had "f**k all" effect
>> Having fun thrashing that straw man ?
>> Have fun listing a damned thing that Obama has achieved that way.
> Well, this diversion is particularly pointless as I can see you're stuck > on this.
We'll see...
> Obama appointed 2 Supreme Court justices so far.
And that has made NO difference what so ever to any policy at all.
> True he's made no progress, the luck of the draw and all but at least
> we didn't get 2 more conservatives which would have guaranteed that
> Obama's biggest accomplishment (ACA) hasn't gone down in flames...yet.
If it does it won't be due to the supremes, it will be due to congress instead.
> If you think the USA would be in exactly the same state today with > McCain/Palin,
> > In article <PM0004C52EA1701...@ac82c7d1.ipt.aol.com>,
> > jmfbahciv <See.ab...@aol.com> wrote:
> > > Joe Morris wrote:
> > [ snip ]
> > > <grin> We heard a story about a customer who shot their PDP-10. didn't
> > > break a thing.
> > Long long ago I remember being shown, during a tour of Amdahl's
> > Sunnyvale facility, a biggish mainframe-looking computer sporting at
> > least one bullet hole. There's probably a good story that goes with
> > it, but I've long since forgotten, and Google is not being especially
> > friendly .... ? Maybe someone here knows the story?
> > (Hey! Almost on topic for a change?)
> Almost ? I'm hard put to think of anything more like computer
> folklore than how a mainframe managed to get a bullet hole - intrigued.
To start a tread that could even be quite interesting. I once had an
employee who did customer support when home computers were just
starting to be purchased by non computer professionals in the 80's. He
often kept us entertained by some of the calls he dealt with.
There was the lady that called to complain the cup holder on her
computer was spilling her coffee. It was always retracting even
though she didn't press the button. After she insisted that the cup holder
was installed in the store, it finally dawned on him the CD drive was
retracting.
> Wrong again. It isnt used in lots of places. It
> isnt used in poetry or shakespeare etc etc etc.
I guess the arts were not your strong suit. Most poetry
is based on a mathematical series and shakespeare
took advantage of this to create a lot of humor.
Dan Espen <des...@verizon.net> writes:
> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> writes:
>> <greyma...@mail.com> wrote in message
>> news:a6sh7bFcc4U5@mid.individual.net...
>>> On 2012-07-19, Dan Espen <des...@verizon.net> wrote:
>>>> Of course, all of this is moot since we now know that the Southboro
>>>> public library, like every other public library is jammed full of
>>>> Asimov books.
>>> But are they on the shelves?..
>> Any decent online catalog allows you to see if they are or are not.
> Somebody posted a link.
> Yes they are.
I posted a link. The circulation system *says* it's on the shelves.
But, to be pedantic (and as I said in the message with the link), that
*doesn't* prove the book is on the shelves.
Anybody who has ever touched an inventory control or circulation system
knows that reality doesn't always match the data, for various reasons.
There are standard techniques to keep them in synch -- taking physical
inventory periodically and updating the data, for example. These
expensive things are done because they're *necessary*.
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"jmfbahciv" <See.ab...@aol.com> wrote:
> Bernd Felsche wrote:
>> jmfbahciv <See.ab...@aol.com> wrote:
>>>I used to "fix" my VT05 by lifting one end up an inch or two and then
>>>letting it drop.
>> Inertial electron guidance. :-)
> <grin> I hated VT05s. You couldn't use the top for anything.
> My favorite terminal was the VT06s.
I'll see your VT05s and raise you a truckload of VT50s.
That's a garbage truckload, preferably after the big hydraulic ram has squished all the pieces down to the point that nobody will ever be able to resurrect them.
> Rod Speed wrote
>>> Math is used everywhee.
>> Wrong again. It isnt used in lots of places. It
>> isnt used in poetry or shakespeare etc etc etc.
> I guess the arts were not your strong suit.
Its obvious that bullshitting aint yours.
> Most poetry is based on a mathematical series
Pigs arse it is in the sense she was talking about.
> and shakespeare took advantage of this to create a lot of humor.
> In article <jua56p$42...@dont-email.me>,
> Peter Flass <Peter_Fl...@Yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On 7/18/2012 1:34 PM, Patrick Scheible wrote:
> [ snip ]
>> Teaching isn't that high-paying by comparison, but remember their salary
>> is only for ten months, so multiply by 1.2. Many teachers have summer
>> jobs; for example in Saratoga many work at the track. They also have
>> benefits much better than the private sector, not even counting tenure.
>> I do think, though, that the real bloat is in "non-program" costs.
>> There are layers of superintendents, principles, assistant principles,
> Now, now -- don't you think a school needs some principles? now,
> princiPALs, maybe they could get by with one ....
I looked at that twice, and apparently chose wrong.
> (Yes, I knew what you meant, and nitpicking spelling is tiresome.
> But sometimes interpreting using the word actually used rather
> than the one meant can be entertaining? as when a former colleague
> mentioned achieving the exalted rank of "principle [sic] scientist".)
>> guidance counselors ... you name it, and many of these make more than
>> the teachers.
>On 2012-07-19, Peter Flass <Peter_Fl...@Yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On 7/18/2012 6:34 PM, D.J. wrote:
>>> On Mon, 16 Jul 2012 20:31:43 -0400, Peter Flass
>>> <Peter_Fl...@Yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> On 7/9/2012 3:50 PM, Dan Espen wrote:
>>>>> Thus, ended the first experiment in socialized health insurance. Begun
>>>>> by Bismarck as a tool of state policy to fight radical socialism
>>>>> through the implementation of Imperial State Socialism, it ended up as
>>>>> one of the cogs in the wheel of Hitler's National Socialism.
>>>>> It's _ALMOST_ like BAH had a point.
>>>>> Assuming you can explain better what she was trying to say better than
>>>>> she can.
>>>> A lot of the initial sterilizations and "euthanasia" of mentally and
>>>> physically handicapped was done under the health system. [Is it still
>>>> PC to say "mentally handicapped" these days? What's the latest?]
>>> Done at the insistance of the American Eugenics Society. Not the
>>> health care system.
>> I was thinking of Germany, where many were transferred from a normal >> mental hospital to somewhere else "for better care" and then got gassed >> or whatever.
>As has been pointed out, the germ of what was implemented in Germany was
>ideas that were common worldwide.
No, just in the U.S. Herr Adolf specifically mentioned the American
Eugenics programs as giving him the ideas on what to do with the
handicapped.
.
JimP.
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<Peter_Fl...@Yahoo.com> wrote:
>On 7/18/2012 6:59 PM, D.J. wrote:
>> On Wed, 18 Jul 2012 04:20:27 +0100, Andrew Swallow
>> <am.swal...@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>> That is why digital cell phones could be upgraded to support internet
>>> browsers.
>> I don't use my telephone for browsing. It may be useful for some, but
>> not me.
>Mostly useful for checking Google maps when you're traveling, or looking >for a motel or restaurant.
I do that before leaving my apartment. I have even printed out the map
and take it with me. One of my siblings uses her telephone with GPS.
Programs in the destinaiton and our current locations, and it tells
her which way to turn. Yeah, a woman.
.
JimP.
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Bernard Peek <b...@shrdlu.com> wrote:
>On 20/07/12 15:24, Peter Flass wrote:
>> On 7/20/2012 8:01 AM, jmfbahciv wrote:
>>> I don't see how kids are going to do their schoolwork on handhelds.
>>> Unless reading writing and 'rithmetic is eliminated from the ciricula.
>> Replaced by a course in "how to use google", "texting 101", and
>> "effective use of social networks."
>A few weeks ago I went to a conference on redesigning the "ICT" >curriculum in the UK. One of the big limitations is the amount of time >available in the timetable. One of the suggestions, by a maths >professor, was that we drop maths teaching from age 11 to make way for a >serious computer science strand.
>(The current ICT teaching in the UK focuses on how to use office >software, usually MS Office.)
Because being able to use "this" version of MS Office is a life
skill that will serve the syst^Wvict^Wstudent for the rest of their
lives.
It works on the principle of giving somebody a sandwich will feed
them until the next meal, but teaching them to open the fridge will
feed them for a week.
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>>>>> Of course, all of this is moot since we now know that the Southboro
>>>>> public library, like every other public library is jammed full of
>>>>> Asimov books.
>>>> But are they on the shelves?..
>>> Any decent online catalog allows you to see if they are or are not.
>> Somebody posted a link.
>> Yes they are.
> I posted a link. The circulation system *says* it's on the shelves.
> But, to be pedantic (and as I said in the message with the link), that
> *doesn't* prove the book is on the shelves.
> Anybody who has ever touched an inventory control or circulation system
> knows that reality doesn't always match the data, for various reasons.
> There are standard techniques to keep them in synch -- taking physical
> inventory periodically and updating the data, for example. These
> expensive things are done because they're *necessary*.
Looking for a particular volume years ago, I worked my way along
the local council library 'protocols', and became aware of a room
there where they stored books that they considered important, but warn't
loaned out much. (The book was Gerald of Wales "Survey of Ireland",
which had been in official disapproval here, wasnt in that room, but
available on the Internet freely, which showed how the Internet had
freed up information)
Peter Flass wrote:
> On 7/20/2012 12:06 PM, blm...@myrealbox.com wrote:
>> In article <jua56p$42...@dont-email.me>,
>> Peter Flass <Peter_Fl...@Yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> On 7/18/2012 1:34 PM, Patrick Scheible wrote:
>> [ snip ]
>>> Teaching isn't that high-paying by comparison, but remember their salary
>>> is only for ten months, so multiply by 1.2. Many teachers have summer
>>> jobs; for example in Saratoga many work at the track. They also have
>>> benefits much better than the private sector, not even counting tenure.
>>> I do think, though, that the real bloat is in "non-program" costs.
>>> There are layers of superintendents, principles, assistant principles,
>> Now, now -- don't you think a school needs some principles? now,
>> princiPALs, maybe they could get by with one ....
> I looked at that twice, and apparently chose wrong.
I was taught this way: the person principals is a pal; the principle
ends like rule.
Dan Espen wrote:
> jmfbahciv <See.ab...@aol.com> writes:
>> Patrick Scheible wrote:
>>> jmfbahciv <See.ab...@aol.com> writes:
>>>> David Dyer-Bennet wrote:
>>>>> jmfbahciv <See.ab...@aol.com> writes:
>>>>>> Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>>>> jmfbahciv <See.ab...@aol.com> wrote
>>>>>>>> No. That library removed books if they hadn't been used.
>>>>>>>> this was a completely different purge.
>>>>>>> Even if it did happen, they reversed it, because its not true anymore
>>>>>>> even with that particular library.
>>>>>> Oh, com'on. Asiimov wrote hundreds of books and the only ones they
>>>>>> have left are the ones related to the I, Robot movie. THEY DUMPED
>>>>>> ALL THE OTHERS and there dozens of them.
>>>> qtype=author&locg=105>
>>>>> shows Southborough Public Library holding 4 pages worth of Asimov books,
>>>>> few of which seem to have any connection to the movie. I got to that
>>>>> URL starting from <http://www.southboroughlib.org/library-catalog/>.
>>>> When I was living there, all of Asimov was gone. I looked on the shelves.
>>>> I also have a couple dozen of his books here. ARe you sure it's
>>>> in Southboro or part of the MARS listing?
>>> I'm seeing 33 Asimov books and e-books available in Southborough, and many
>>> more in MARS. That includes some of his nonfiction, such as:
>>> Asimov on Astronomy
>>> Asimov's Guide to Science
>>> Asimov's Guide to Shakespeare
>>> Building Blocks of the Universe
>>> Exploring the Earth and the Cosmos: the Growth and Future of Human
>>> Knowledge
>>> Extraterrestrial Civilizations
>>> The Greeks: a Great Adventure
>>> The New Intelligent Man's Guide to Science
>>> Did you look in the catalog? Maybe some Asimov lovers checked them all
>>> out.
>> I'll have to unpack my boxes; something smells. Some of those titles
>> are familiar.
>>> I can see a small public library discarding many of its older science
>>> books. Preserving history of science is important, but it's more the
>>> job of university and national libraries rather than a town public
>>> library.
>> I understand about discardings. this was a purge based on sexism.
>> the "official" reason given was to clear shelves. The real reason
>> was to eliminate books written for boys and any books which would
>> keep females in their place (that's why the crafts books were
>> deleted).
> So now you admit that you were told the _REAL_ reason
> and the reason you're giving us is your own invention.
You are confused. The real reason was rabid anti-male.
The bosses were male so it couldn't be written.
>>>>I used to "fix" my VT05 by lifting one end up an inch or two and then
>>>>letting it drop.
>>> Inertial electron guidance. :-)
>> <grin> I hated VT05s. You couldn't use the top for anything.
>> My favorite terminal was the VT06s.
> I'll see your VT05s and raise you a truckload of VT50s.
> That's a garbage truckload, preferably after the big hydraulic ram has
> squished all the pieces down to the point that nobody will ever be able to
> resurrect them.
The TTY which replaced that VT05 was a VT50. It was an improvement. Why
didn't you like them?
