Re: 'cloud computing' and 'SAAS'

[Anne & Lynn Wheeler]

John....@HEALTHMARKETS.COM (McKown, John) writes:
> I think that SaaS is simply SOAP, but you pay. Sounds a bit like the
> old "Time Sharing" systems that you could dial into.

... borrowed from similar thread subject in (linkedin) greater ibm

Is Cloud Computing Old Hat?
http://www.ciozone.com/index.php/Cloud-Computing/Is-Cloud-Computing-Old-Hatu/2.html

.... somewhat related:

Map: Water-Powered Computers
http://www.technologyreview.com/computing/22610/

Rackforce/IBM: Kelowna, BC
Sabey Yahoo: Wenatchee, WA
Maicrosoft Yahoo Intuit: Quincy, WA
Google: Dalles, OR
Amazon: Boardman, OR

.....

there were a number of (virtual machine) CP67 commercial time-sharing
service bureaus formed in the 60s ... then some more in the 70s with
vm370 (and/or old cp67 operations migrating to vm370). ... lots of past
posts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submain.html#timeshare

possibly the largest was the internal HONE system ... some past posts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subtopic.html#hone

started off after the 23jun69 unbundling announcement ... some past posts
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submain.html#unbundle

to provide "hands-on" for branch system engineers (operating systems
running in virtual machines). There also started to be deployed a lot of
sales&marketing support apps (mostly APL\CMS) that started to be
deployed ... which came to dominate all HONE activity (and the virtual
operating system "hands-on" disappeared). Eventually mainframe orders
couldn't be processed w/o having been run through HONE applications
... and clones of HONE datacenters started to crop up all over the
world.

... snip ...

one of the challenges to cp67 time-sharing being left up 7x24 was lease
pricing based on the cpu meter. off-shift use early on was somewhat
sporadic ... and if either the cpu &/or I/O was running the cpu meter
ran ... which would result in situation that lightly loaded, sporadic
timesharing use wasn't sufficient to cover the lease charges. part of
the cp67 fiddling was letting channel go idle ... when there wasn't
incoming characters from channel ... but allow things to wake up when
characters did start coming in. the cp67 fiddling made an enormous
difference to the (virtual machine) cp67 commerical timesharing service
bureaus being able to offer 7x24, ondemand service. lots of past
posts mentioning timesharing
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submain.html#timeshare

cpu&channels had to be idle for 400ms before the meter actually came to
a halt (and related charges stopped). trivia question: mvs had a fixed
timer wakeup, regardless of what was going on in the system. what was
that interval?

semi-related recent mvs comment from today:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009q.html#14 Electric Light Orchestra IBM song, in 1981?

--
40+yrs virtualization experience (since Jan68), online at home since Mar1970

[grey...@mail.com]

On 2009-11-17, Anne & Lynn Wheeler <ly...@garlic.com> wrote:
> John....@HEALTHMARKETS.COM (McKown, John) writes:
>> I think that SaaS is simply SOAP, but you pay. Sounds a bit like the
>> old "Time Sharing" systems that you could dial into.
>
> ... borrowed from similar thread subject in (linkedin) greater ibm
>
> Is Cloud Computing Old Hat?
> http://www.ciozone.com/index.php/Cloud-Computing/Is-Cloud-Computing-Old-Hatu/2.html
>

of course, even besides. one should note that it has just come out
that one mobile phone company in the UK has bribed, with substantial
amounts, people at another such company for personal details of
their customers..

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