On Sun, 4 Nov 2012 09:55:07 -0800 (PST), hanco...@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
>Truman recognized the danger of Hoover, but Truman was a minority
>president with the Republicans out to destroy him and the Democrats,
>making it hard for Truman to act properly.
> Uncle Steve wrote:
>> On Sat, Nov 03, 2012 at 02:39:42PM +0000, jmfbahciv wrote:
>>> Uncle Steve wrote:
>>> > On Fri, Nov 02, 2012 at 01:59:56PM +0000, jmfbahciv wrote:
>>> >> Rod Speed wrote:
>>> >> >>>> Where do you get your information about all of this?
>>> >> >>> Any half way decent news service like the BBC.
>>> >> >> The BBC is so biased I use it to find out what the world's lies >>> >> >> are.
>>> >> > Corse the shit news you avidly mindlessly devour isnt biased at >>> >> > all,
> eh ?
>>> >> You don't know anything about how I get my information.
>>> > Rod Speed is one of those morons who decides what he believes with a
>>> > priori propositions consistent with his prejudice, and then he ignores
>>> > everything contrary to what he "knows" is true. A relatively common
>>> > pathology today.
>>> Yea, the Democrat leadership has this problem.
>> I was reading Ann Coulter this morning; she seems to have a few major
>> blind spots as well. It can't be a problem restricted to Dems.
> I didn't say _all_ Dems. I said their leadership. They've
> been having cognitive dissonance since the late 80s;
Your stupid repug leadership had it a lot earlier than
that, most obviously with that fool Hoover and Raygun.
> it was 50-50 in the late 70s.
Even sillier with that fool JFK.
> I never thought I'd yearn for the old Southern Democrat thinking.
Yeah, lynch mobs are just a tad down market.
> The Reps. are catching up
They actually started it, long before even Hoover showed up.
> but not all of their leadership have acquired a 100% reality filter...yet.
>>> >Apparently reality is too prosaic for their tastes.
>>> I think it's more likely that this kind of thinking box
>>> believes it can create any reality it wants. Seems to be
>>> more common as time goes on; even PBS is showing <spit>
>>> reality shows. I'll know it's become pandemic when the
>>> religious channels begin to show them (or do I want the
>>> word endemic?).
>> It's about ontology. The Rod Speeds of this world have their own
>> system that puts them at the top of the food-chain, intelligence,
>> education, or morality notwithstanding. If they can't dictate the
>> terms of existence, they no longer have status and become just like
>> everyone else: finite, flawed, and no better than any of the great
>> unwashed. Within the confines of their special reality, they "lead"
>> with some bullshit authority, and discriminate between their nominal
>> peer-group and "others".
>> It's all very self-serving and juvenile.
> My life-long hypothesis about this is that those
> people didn't have to work when they were kids.
That silly claim is blown completely out of the water by countless examples.
You're just running another mindless line and doing the same thing yourself
reality wise.
On Nov 4, 12:20 pm, Anne & Lynn Wheeler <l...@garlic.com> wrote:
> as an aside ... lots of high-earning movies get officially listed as
> having losses ...
The movie industry seems to be especially creative with accounting,
more so than other industries, where a huge hit movie shows a "loss".
Anyone know more about accounting within the movie industry?
(As an aside, a great many people in the dramatic arts do not make
much money at all--it's a very small few who make the huge bucks. A
lot have to work at other jobs; others make do filming stuff like
industrial training films.)
IMHO, in utilities, a regulated monopoly is superior. For instance, I
believe our power supply was more reliable under a monopoly than it is
under "competition". Indeed, in the interests of "developing"
competition, some electric customers in our area were forced, without
any say, to become Enron customers before it fell. That meant money
that should've gone to the local power company went far away to Texas
instead.
> On Sun, Nov 04, 2012 at 03:24:26PM +0000, jmfbahciv wrote:
>> Uncle Steve wrote:
>> > On Sat, Nov 03, 2012 at 02:39:43PM +0000, jmfbahciv wrote:
>> >> hanco...@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
>> >> > On Oct 26, 5:37 pm, Uncle Steve <stevet...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> I don't think you've isolated your variables correctly. While it >> >> >> may
>> >> >> be true that consumer telecommunications service has degraded >> >> >> across
>> >> >> the board subsequent to divestiture of the Bell monopoly, that does
>> >> >> not imply a direct causal link.
>> >> > I believe it does, especially when considering the specifics of the
>> >> > service quality decline. . . .
>> >> >> Similarly, the fact that Bell System
>> >> >> was more reliable can be attributed to the vastly simplified
>> >> >> technology employed in comparison to 4G, xDSL, cable, etc.
>> >> > If anything, service quality should be _more_ reliable and more >> >> > cost-
>> >> > efficient thanks to new technology.
>> >> Oh, please..... Cell phones have gone back to sounding like
>> >> half-duplex lines. TV reception now sucks. Radio transmissions
>> >> spill over. Stoves interfere with AM radio transmissions. People
>> >> even have toilets which require electricity. New tech has been
>> >> making people lax and they forget how to do things. The Green
>> >> Party's hidden goal is to destroy society as we know it and it's
>> >> tactic is to stop all electricity transmission.
>> > Now that looks like real paranoia. How do the reptilian underground
>> > nazis figure in to things? I need to know so I can prepare for the
>> > immanentization of the eschaton. Damned Illuminati.
>> Look at their goals. They want to shut down all electricity generation
>> which will result in no society, no trade, no work. I can understnad
>> the members swallowing the party platform without thinking about
>> the ramifications but the leaders sure know about it.
> It is difficult to say what the leaders really know about it.
Fuck all basically, just like everyone else.
> Personally, I would be happy if it were possible to rely
> solely on wind, tidal, and solar energy production,
More fool you. You wouldn't like the price of electricity done
that way. In spades if it was anything like as reliable as currently.
> but the oil cartels have so far seemingly
> made sure that things are done their way.
Even sillier. Its got absolutely NOTHING to do with oil cartels at all.
> Reading that Germany (or France)
France aint that stupid.
> wants to decommission their nuke generating
> capacity is scary, and a huge step backwards.
And that fool Merkel won't be around for long
and that stupid policy will get binned, you watch.
> Of course the current problem with nukes is that they are designed and
> run by people, who have a propensity for screwing up spectacularly for
> no good reason even when they are not clamoring for ever increasing wages.
> On Sun, Nov 04, 2012 at 03:24:34PM +0000, jmfbahciv wrote:
>> Uncle Steve wrote:
>> > On Sat, Nov 03, 2012 at 02:39:42PM +0000, jmfbahciv wrote:
>> >> Uncle Steve wrote:
>> >> > On Fri, Nov 02, 2012 at 01:59:56PM +0000, jmfbahciv wrote:
>> >> >> Rod Speed wrote:
>> >> >> >>>> Where do you get your information about all of this?
>> >> >> >>> Any half way decent news service like the BBC.
>> >> >> >> The BBC is so biased I use it to find out what the world's lies >> >> >> >> are.
>> >> >> > Corse the shit news you avidly mindlessly devour isnt biased at >> >> >> > all,
>> eh ?
>> >> >> You don't know anything about how I get my information.
>> >> > Rod Speed is one of those morons who decides what he believes with a
>> >> > priori propositions consistent with his prejudice, and then he >> >> > ignores
>> >> > everything contrary to what he "knows" is true. A relatively common
>> >> > pathology today.
>> >> Yea, the Democrat leadership has this problem.
>> > I was reading Ann Coulter this morning; she seems to have a few major
>> > blind spots as well. It can't be a problem restricted to Dems.
>> I didn't say _all_ Dems. I said their leadership. They've been having
>> cognitive dissonance since the late 80s; it was 50-50 in the late 70s.
>> I never thought I'd yearn for the old Southern Democrat thinking.
>> The Reps. are catching up but not all of their leadership have acquired
>> a 100% reality filter...yet.
> One of the problems with politicians is that they are not usually
> technical specialists in any field other than politics. Not such a
> huge problem a couple hundred years ago when mankind's technological
> capabilities were not so large. Now most of them are at the mercey of
> their advisors, most of whom I suppose will tell them what they want
> to hear, and anyways there's no guarantee that said advisors are
> themselves competent to make rational policy recommendations.
> I have a picture of our leaders wandering around in the corridors of
> power confined to hermetically sealed bubbles where only the news and
> information that is "fit to print" ever makes it to their eyes or
> ears. However much that is true must affect their decision-making
> capability for the worse.
>> >> >Apparently reality is too prosaic for their tastes.
>> >> I think it's more likely that this kind of thinking box
>> >> believes it can create any reality it wants. Seems to be
>> >> more common as time goes on; even PBS is showing <spit>
>> >> reality shows. I'll know it's become pandemic when the
>> >> religious channels begin to show them (or do I want the
>> >> word endemic?).
>> > It's about ontology. The Rod Speeds of this world have their own
>> > system that puts them at the top of the food-chain, intelligence,
>> > education, or morality notwithstanding. If they can't dictate the
>> > terms of existence, they no longer have status and become just like
>> > everyone else: finite, flawed, and no better than any of the great
>> > unwashed. Within the confines of their special reality, they "lead"
>> > with some bullshit authority, and discriminate between their nominal
>> > peer-group and "others".
>> > It's all very self-serving and juvenile.
>> My life-long hypothesis about this is that those people didn't have to
>> work when they were kids.
> My opinion is that their parents were off the job, too busy fooling
> around with all of their cheap plastic shit to give a damn.
Just another mindlessly silly theory. The kids of the stupid
hippys that didn't do anything like that are even worse.
> On Sun, 4 Nov 2012 11:16:41 +1100, "Rod Speed"
> <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:
>>Peter Flass <Peter_Fl...@Yahoo.com> wrote
>>> greyma...@mail.com wrote
>>>> jmfbahciv <See.ab...@aol.com> wrote
>>>>> The Green Party's hidden goal is to destroy society as we
>>>>> know it and it's tactic is to stop all electricity transmission.
>>> I think she has a point,
>>I don't. I bet fuck all of those don't use phones of some kind.
>>> though I wouldn't phrase it quite that way. To someone who
>>> believes that modern technology - autos, industrial farming and
>>> fishing, etc. - is destroying the earth the only logical solution is to
>>> reduce our dependence on technology by whatever means possible.
>>That's just plain silly. It makes MUCH more sense to continue to
>>use the technology that works very well indeed like electricity
>>transmission and at most bin what doesn't work as well.
>>I bet sweet fuck all of the Green Party fools use nothing but bikes
>>or walking either, and even the bikes are technology anyway.
> Light weight alloy bikes are highly polluting.
Like hell they are.
> Several people I told that locally also had no idea that things like
> aluminum take loads more electricity to make than they realized.
On Sun, Nov 04, 2012 at 09:55:07AM -0800, hanco...@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
> On Nov 4, 8:27 am, Uncle Steve <stevet...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Dream on. All the data the USG now collects on its citizens is going
> > to be abused. For everything from settling personal scores to going
> > after non-PC writers to allowing corrupt police to target gun owners
> > for B&E robberies.
> There is also a big problem with the private sector collecting
> information and using it against people, such as employers, mortgage
> companies, insurance companies, etc.
Yeah. How many times has such information walked out of a building
and over to a private buyer who is smart enough to keep it instead of
sending it off to Julian Assange? Public or private-sector data sets.
> > It is disingenuous to think that any one political group or country is
> > automatically "the enemy", although such propositions are obviously
> > easier to sell to the gullible masses. Instead, it's probably better
> > to identify nihilists or anyone who might be attracted to the idea
> > of any kind of death cult. Those are the sort of people who are most
> > likely to get ideas of robbing the future of mankind, or their
> > country.
> The problem is that some entities are indeed an enemy with the goal of
> destruction. For instance, Stalin despised the western world. Today,
> there are fanactical groups who also hate the western world.
> One challenge is that such groups are irrational. There are those who
> say to extend the olive branch and everyone will become great friends,
> but that doesn't work with irrational people and fanactics.
> The difficult part is protecting ourselves from legitimate threats
> without destroying ourselves in the process.
> FDR and his people were naive about Stalin's intentions. FDR also
> loved J. E Hoover's gossip and political news, so he gave Hoover a
> free reign.
> Truman recognized the danger of Hoover, but Truman was a minority
> president with the Republicans out to destroy him and the Democrats,
> making it hard for Truman to act properly.
If the mass media had a clue they'd do better than jump
unquestioningly on the Globalsim bandwagon and parrot party lines.
The same goes for the general population, but as most of them couldn't
find their asses with both hands while Siri whispered step-by-step
instructions in their ear through their stylish bluetooth headsets.
The surveillance capabilities around today present a much bigger
threat than the KGB ever did, although they were mostly concerned with
murdering half their own citizens in the Gulags to make the other half
too frightened to challenge their empire. I can't imagine why people
in the USA don't reign-in their intel agencies. There is no need for
what they are doing to the communications infrastructure and the
Internet. But "terrorists" are the yellow threat of the day, and
most of the sheeple are going along with it.
Regards,
Uncle Steve
-- My people and I have come to an agreement that satisfies us both.
They are to say what they please, and I am to do what I please.
- Frederick the Great, c. 1770
On Sun, Nov 04, 2012 at 02:01:21PM -0500, Uncle Steve wrote:
> The surveillance capabilities around today present a much bigger
> threat than the KGB ever did, although they were mostly concerned with
> murdering half their own citizens in the Gulags to make the other half
> too frightened to challenge their empire. I can't imagine why people
> in the USA don't reign-in their intel agencies. There is no need for
> what they are doing to the communications infrastructure and the
> Internet. But "terrorists" are the yellow threat of the day, and
> most of the sheeple are going along with it.
Sorry, I should have said Yellow Peril.
Regards,
Uncle Steve
-- My people and I have come to an agreement that satisfies us both.
They are to say what they please, and I am to do what I please.
- Frederick the Great, c. 1770
>> Major improvements could be made by getting rid of all the
>> unproductive people and their worthless occupations. Douglass Adams'
>> telephone sanitizers and the like. All those union thugs who think
>> they have a right to sit around with their thumbs up their butts while
>> collecting more than generous salaries. Useless bureaucrats and
>> middle-managers. All the secret police. All those worthless
>> "entertainers" you see on reality shows. Most of Hollywood. Put them
>> to work doing something useful, like sorting garbage to reduce the
>> amount of waste going into landfill.
> Entertainment is a free market. Every time I see the obscene salaries > that entertainers and sports stars get, I have to remind myself that > they're worth it to someone, apparently a lot of someones. If people > didn't go to movies or sporting events the stars wouldn't be getting so > much money. Unfortunately garbage sorters (and nurses, firemen, etc.) > aren't valued so highly.
Nassim Talib, in his books, makes the point that, up to fairly recently,
lots of people who could sing fairly well, enhanced their lives by preforming locally, in pubs, or private houses, then people started
to make more money by charging for sheet music, then charging for records, and so on. the gainers became fewer, but far richer.
Reading the story of Townes Van Zandt, whose life seemed to be a mess
with alcohol, drugs, and all that crap, actually was well off by the time
he died, with royalties from his songs.
On 2012-11-04, jmfbahciv <See.ab...@aol.com> wrote:
> hanco...@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
>> On Nov 3, 7:22 pm, Peter Flass <Peter_Fl...@Yahoo.com> wrote:
> Energy consumption will NEVER be reduced. There will always be a demand
> for more, no matter how many people turn the lights off. Yet these
> political parties are managing to get countries to shut down power
> generation sources. this is a problem which will become unmanagable
> in the future.
After some really silly plans were made when energy was cheap and
plentiful, some goofs are showing up, in Germany they closed, or are closing, the nuclear power stations, without really replacing them,
so for the last while, power brownouts and worse are happening there.
[Told to me by friends there]
The massive Drax powerstations in Yorkshire in the UK are planned
to change from coal to biofuel. Estimates are that it will take the
produce of a large part of the UK to supply this.
[Again, contacts in the UK]
Energy cosumption will reduce when people have to pay the _real_
price for it.
If the US-GulfArab-AlQueda force does not prevail in Syria, Russia will
control gas supplies from there (And Iraq and Iran), as well as the pipelines that already come in through Eastern Europe.
> On Nov 4, 12:20 pm, Anne & Lynn Wheeler <l...@garlic.com> wrote:
>> as an aside ... lots of high-earning movies get officially listed as
>> having losses ...
> The movie industry seems to be especially creative with accounting,
> more so than other industries, where a huge hit movie shows a "loss".
> Anyone know more about accounting within the movie industry?
> (As an aside, a great many people in the dramatic arts do not make
> much money at all--it's a very small few who make the huge bucks. A
> lot have to work at other jobs; others make do filming stuff like
> industrial training films.)
> IMHO, in utilities, a regulated monopoly is superior. For instance, I
> believe our power supply was more reliable under a monopoly than it is
> under "competition". Indeed, in the interests of "developing"
> competition, some electric customers in our area were forced, without
> any say, to become Enron customers before it fell. That meant money
> that should've gone to the local power company went far away to Texas
> instead.
Whenever this subject comes up, I recommend the movie "The producers"
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In <k75nnt$fq...@dont-email.me>, on 11/04/2012
at 07:48 AM, Peter Flass <Peter_Fl...@Yahoo.com> said:
>Hollywood, for some reason, has always been left wing.
Nopnsense; some high profile actors and directors were left wing, but
the studio bosses were dedicated capitalists. Walt Disney was far
right, and the entire industry played along with mccarthy when he came
along. For every vanessa redgrave there was a governator.
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In <36ef31ec1a935dd-e1...@gmail.com>, on 11/03/2012
at 10:02 PM, Uncle Steve <stevet...@gmail.com> said:
>The old "enemy within" gambit. The anti-communist propaganda in that
>time must have been something to see. American politicians and their
>tax-and-spend entitlement politics have caused more damage to your
>country than any foriegn nation ever could, nuclear war excepted.
One of the conspiracy theories I've heard is that joe mccarthy was a
soviet agent tasked with swindling us into shooting ourselves in the
foot.
Oh, how about the impact of the tax-and-borrow spending, in which you
cut taxes while fighting two undeclared wars?
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In <PM0004CD9829EB0...@aca21cde.ipt.aol.com>, on 11/03/2012
at 02:39 PM, jmfbahciv <See.ab...@aol.com> said:
>Uncle Steve wrote:
>> On Fri, Nov 02, 2012 at 01:59:56PM +0000, jmfbahciv wrote:
>> Rod Speed is one of those morons who decides what he believes with a
>> priori propositions consistent with his prejudice, and then he ignores
>> everything contrary to what he "knows" is true. A relatively common
>> pathology today.
>Yea, the Democrat leadership has this problem.
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In article <PM0004CDAD0D72F...@aca26d39.ipt.aol.com>, See.ab...@aol.com
(jmfbahciv) writes:
> Energy consumption will NEVER be reduced. There will always be a
> demand for more, no matter how many people turn the lights off.
And even if we do manage to significantly reduce per-capity energy
consumption, the Powers That Be are pushing so hard to increase
population that any savings will be cancelled out. The only reason
any talk of conservation is tolerated is that they know it won't work.
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On 11/4/2012 11:59 AM, hanco...@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
> It is amazing how many otherwise intelligent people fell for Stalin's
> propaganda. Some supporters, like the Ambassador, even thought the
> 'show trials' were legitimate and the accused were really guilty.
> Former Russians who have moved to the US are amazed at how so many
> people in the 1960s thought the USSR (and Mao's China) was a
> paradise. They lived it and knew better.
Sometimes it's hard to distinguish between truth and propaganda, and sometimes it's hard to grasp that the opposite of propaganda is not necessarily truth. I gather some former Russians who moved to the US were also taken aback to find that there was a grain of truth in some of the Soviet propaganda, that there actually was poverty, racism, layoffs, uneven access to medical care, and unemployment in the US.
On 4 Nov 2012 19:55:26 GMT, greyma...@mail.com wrote:
>closing, the nuclear power stations, without really replacing them,
>so for the last while, power brownouts and worse are happening there.
That's FUD. Nothing like that is happening. And why should a
technology be supported where the safe deposit of radioactive trash
still isn't solved? Just look at the oldest of Germany's nuclear power
plant where the complete takedown is planned to take about 25 years.
The problems multiple: the electricity providers, having written off
most of their power plants and thus hesitant to spoil their large
profits by investing in newer and cleaner plants. Net operators that
invested too low in newer nets. And citizens that do want green power
but say no to facilities like pumped-storage hydropower plants, needed
to guarantee continous supply.
>Energy cosumption will reduce when people have to pay the _real_
>price for it.
They already are because of the prices *and* because the government
decided to gratiously handed out excempts from the the "renewable
energy charge" even to companies that do not compete internationally
like banking data centers and thus leaving the normal consumer to
shoulder the lion's share of those nearly 6 euro cents per
kilowatt-hour on top of the normal price.
> Uncle Steve <stevet...@gmail.com> wrote
>> Dream on. All the data the USG now collects on its citizens is going
>> to be abused. For everything from settling personal scores to going
>> after non-PC writers to allowing corrupt police to target gun owners
>> for B&E robberies.
Mindlessly silly.
> There is also a big problem with the private sector collecting
> information and using it against people, such as employers,
> mortgage companies, insurance companies, etc.
Not in countrys that have enough of a clue to not allow that.
Mine doesn't even allow them any access to the
demerit points you have lost off your driver's license.
>> It is disingenuous to think that any one political group or country is
>> automatically "the enemy", although such propositions are obviously
>> easier to sell to the gullible masses. Instead, it's probably better
>> to identify nihilists or anyone who might be attracted to the idea
>> of any kind of death cult. Those are the sort of people who are most
>> likely to get ideas of robbing the future of mankind, or their country.
> The problem is that some entities are indeed an enemy with the
> goal of destruction. For instance, Stalin despised the western world.
Corse no one like Eisenhower ever despised the communist world, eh ?
> Today, there are fanactical groups who also hate the western world.
There always have been. They don't amount to a hill of beans in practice.
> One challenge is that such groups are irrational.
The religious in the west are too.
> There are those who say to extend the olive
> branch and everyone will become great friends,
Yes, there have always been na ve fools.
> but that doesn't work with irrational people and fanactics.
And with those in the west either.
> The difficult part is protecting ourselves from legitimate
> threats without destroying ourselves in the process.
We haven't come even close to destroying ourselves in the
process and didn't even in wartime when we were a hell of
a lot more gung ho about doing that sort of thing either.
> FDR and his people were naive about Stalin's intentions.
Its very far from clear what his intentions actually were, particularly
with the west. It looks very like his main intention was to ensure
that russia would never again be invaded by the west.
Hardly surprising given Russia's history and that war they came
within an ace of losing.
> FDR also loved J. E Hoover's gossip and political
> news, so he gave Hoover a free reign.
Like hell he did. And he didn't have any option anyway.
> Truman recognized the danger of Hoover, but Truman was a minority
> president with the Republicans out to destroy him and the Democrats,
> making it hard for Truman to act properly.
That's just plain wrong with getting rid of Hoover.
And JFK didn't get rid of him either. Neither did Eisenhower.
> Anne & Lynn Wheeler <l...@garlic.com> wrote
>> as an aside ... lots of high-earning movies get officially listed as >> having losses ...
> The movie industry seems to be especially creative with accounting,
> more so than other industries, where a huge hit movie shows a "loss".
Its just a lot easier for them to cook the books like that.
> Anyone know more about accounting within the movie industry?
> (As an aside, a great many people in the dramatic arts do not make
> much money at all--it's a very small few who make the huge bucks.
That's not really true of the movie industry.
> A lot have to work at other jobs; others make do filming stuff like
> industrial training films.)
> IMHO, in utilities, a regulated monopoly is superior.
> For instance, I believe our power supply was more
> reliable under a monopoly than it is under "competition".
Ours is the reverse. And with telcos in spades.
> Indeed, in the interests of "developing" competition,
> some electric customers in our area were forced,
> without any say, to become Enron customers before
> it fell. That meant money that should've gone to the
> local power company went far away to Texas instead.
Yes, that area was comprehensively fucked up like
only the US political system can ever manage.
> On 2012-11-04, Peter Flass <Peter_Fl...@Yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On 11/4/2012 6:51 AM, Uncle Steve wrote:
>>> Major improvements could be made by getting rid of all the
>>> unproductive people and their worthless occupations. Douglass Adams'
>>> telephone sanitizers and the like. All those union thugs who think
>>> they have a right to sit around with their thumbs up their butts while
>>> collecting more than generous salaries. Useless bureaucrats and
>>> middle-managers. All the secret police. All those worthless
>>> "entertainers" you see on reality shows. Most of Hollywood. Put them
>>> to work doing something useful, like sorting garbage to reduce the
>>> amount of waste going into landfill.
>> Entertainment is a free market. Every time I see the obscene salaries
>> that entertainers and sports stars get, I have to remind myself that
>> they're worth it to someone, apparently a lot of someones. If people
>> didn't go to movies or sporting events the stars wouldn't be getting so
>> much money. Unfortunately garbage sorters (and nurses, firemen, etc.)
>> aren't valued so highly.
> Nassim Talib, in his books, makes the point that, up to fairly recently,
> lots of people who could sing fairly well, enhanced their lives by
> preforming locally, in pubs, or private houses, then people started
> to make more money by charging for sheet music,
Sounds very comprehensively garbled given that people were
charging for sheet music right thru the 19th century and before that.
And even pimples on the bum of the west like tiny little
towns had their own opera house etc at that time too.
> then charging for records, and so on. the gainers became fewer, but far > richer.
That might have been true once records showed up but
I can't see how it could have applied to sheet music which had
always been around even before the printing press showed up.
> Reading the story of Townes Van Zandt, whose life seemed
> to be a mess with alcohol, drugs, and all that crap, actually
> was well off by the time he died, with royalties from his songs.
And plenty more were destitute, particularly those
involved in the music halls etc once they died out.
> On 2012-11-04, jmfbahciv <See.ab...@aol.com> wrote:
>> hanco...@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
>>> On Nov 3, 7:22 pm, Peter Flass <Peter_Fl...@Yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Energy consumption will NEVER be reduced. There will always be a demand
>> for more, no matter how many people turn the lights off. Yet these
>> political parties are managing to get countries to shut down power
>> generation sources. this is a problem which will become unmanagable
>> in the future.
> After some really silly plans were made when energy was cheap
> and plentiful, some goofs are showing up, in Germany they closed,
Nope, haven't actually closed a damned thing.
> or are closing, the nuclear power stations,
It remains to be seen if any are ever actually closed.
> without really replacing them, so for the last while,
> power brownouts and worse are happening there.
Even sillier. They just buy power from the french etc.
> [Told to me by friends there]
The story is massively mangled, again.
> The massive Drax powerstations in Yorkshire in the
> UK are planned to change from coal to biofuel.
And we'll see if that ever actually happens now
the fruit loops got the bums rush at the ballot box.
> Estimates are that it will take the produce
> of a large part of the UK to supply this.
If it does, it obviously won't happen.
> [Again, contacts in the UK]
Again, who don't have a clue about the basics.
> Energy cosumption will reduce when
> people have to pay the _real_ price for it.
They already do and don't much except for winter heating using electricity.
> If the US-GulfArab-AlQueda force does not prevail in Syria,
> Russia will control gas supplies from there (And Iraq and Iran),
Even sillier and there isnt a hope in hell of the Assad regime surviving anyway.
> as well as the pipelines that already come in through Eastern Europe.
> hanco...@bbs.cpcn.com wrote
>> It is amazing how many otherwise intelligent people fell for Stalin's
>> propaganda. Some supporters, like the Ambassador, even thought >> the 'show trials' were legitimate and the accused were really guilty.
>> Former Russians who have moved to the US are amazed at >> how so many people in the 1960s thought the USSR (and >> Mao's China) was a paradise. They lived it and knew better.
> Sometimes it's hard to distinguish between truth and propaganda,
Just as true of the West. The dregs of the US particularly live nothing
like the propaganda from the West was claiming about the West.
> and sometimes it's hard to grasp that the > opposite of propaganda is not necessarily truth.
Reality is never that binary.
> I gather some former Russians who moved to the US were > also taken aback to find that there was a grain of truth in some > of the Soviet propaganda, that there actually was poverty, racism, > layoffs, uneven access to medical care, and unemployment in the US.
> greyma...@mail.com wrote
>> closing, the nuclear power stations, without really replacing them, so >> for
>> the last while, power brownouts and worse are happening there. [Germany]
> That's FUD. Nothing like that is happening.
Correct.
> And why should a technology be supported where
> the safe deposit of radioactive trash still isn't solved?
Because the only sensible thing to do with used nuke fuel rods is to
reprocess them into new nuke fuel rods, not dump them anywhere.
And because nukes are the only viable baseload
power system that doesn't have a CO2 problem.
> Just look at the oldest of Germany's nuclear power plant where
> the complete takedown is planned to take about 25 years.
> The problems multiple: the electricity providers, having written
> off most of their power plants and thus hesitant to spoil their
> large profits by investing in newer and cleaner plants.
And when the clowns like that fool Merkle are actually
stupid enough to propose shutting down all nukes,
the only viable way to do new clean plants.
Particularly when the krauts have the engineering capability
to do them safely.
> Net operators that invested too low in newer nets.
And the system has encouraged everyone to do stupid
'green' power at an immense cost to the country.
> And citizens that do want green power but say
> no to facilities like pumped-storage hydropower
> plants, needed to guarantee continous supply.
And its only the stupid proportional voting system that
lets them have any say what so ever on the basics like that.
>> Energy cosumption will reduce when
>> people have to pay the _real_ price for it.
> They already are because of the prices *and* because the government
> decided to gratiously handed out excempts from the the "renewable
> energy charge" even to companies that do not compete internationally
> like banking data centers and thus leaving the normal consumer to
> shoulder the lion's share of those nearly 6 euro cents per
> kilowatt-hour on top of the normal price.
They are actually stupid enough to want the 'green' power, they get to pay for it.
No exempting those operations that don't export wouldn't
make any real difference to that 6 euro cents result.