Still in use

[Dave Garland]

Readers might be interested in a story in ITWorld about old gear still
in daily commercial use: an IBM 402, MicroVAX 3100 at a mining company
("our 'things that need replacing' list goes in order of most to least
deadly" and the MicroVAX hasn't risen high enough yet), a PDP-11
(actually, recently retired), and PC/XTs (processing data from weather
balloons at the National Weather Service).

http://www.itworld.com/hardware/270936/living-computing-fossils-old-tech-holding-dear-life

Dave

[Joe Morris]

"Dave Garland" <dave.g...@wizinfo.com> wrote:

> Readers might be interested in a story in ITWorld about old gear still

> in daily commercial use: [...] PC/XTs (processing data from weather

> balloons at the National Weather Service).

I can attest to that, at least as of a couple of years ago. I was at the
NWS office that's on the grounds of Dulles International Airport and one of
the rooms there had several old PCs with (IIRC) EGA monitors (all sporting
distinct burn patterns in their phosphor).

ObNonComputerTrivia: the main street in the NWS complex is named "Thunder
Road". How many people here get the movie reference?

Joe

[Michael Black]

If you run some specialized software, you are likely to stick with older
hardware. Remember there was that story, I want to say five years ago but
likely more than that now, where NASA was looking for old computer parts,
because they needed to keep old things going?

Michael

[Charlie Gibbs]

In article <jog5f...@news1.newsguy.com>, j.c.m...@verizon.net

(Joe Morris) writes:

> ObNonComputerTrivia: the main street in the NWS complex is named
> "Thunder Road". How many people here get the movie reference?

Not I - but I do remember the song.

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[sarr.b...@alum.dartmouth.org]

Joe Morris <j.c.m...@verizon.net> wrote:
: "Dave Garland" <dave.g...@wizinfo.com> wrote:
: ObNonComputerTrivia: the main street in the NWS complex is named "Thunder

: Road". How many people here get the movie reference?

With Robert Mitchum. Yep.

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[Michael Black]

On Thu, 10 May 2012, Charlie Gibbs wrote:

> In article <jog5f...@news1.newsguy.com>, j.c.m...@verizon.net
> (Joe Morris) writes:
>
>> ObNonComputerTrivia: the main street in the NWS complex is named
>> "Thunder Road". How many people here get the movie reference?
>
> Not I - but I do remember the song.
>

The movie I know about was about running moonshine, with Robert Mitchum.

If you know the Bruce Springsteen song, that has nothing to do with
moonshine as far as I know, then New Riders of the Purple Sage had
"Whiskey" which is about running moonshine.

Michael

[Peter Flass]

On 5/10/2012 12:25 PM, sarr.b...@alum.dartmouth.org wrote:
> Joe Morris<j.c.m...@verizon.net> wrote:
> : "Dave Garland"<dave.g...@wizinfo.com> wrote:
> : ObNonComputerTrivia: the main street in the NWS complex is named "Thunder
> : Road". How many people here get the movie reference?
>
> With Robert Mitchum. Yep.
>

Now I'm starting to feel old again. You mean there are people here who
*don't* remember the movie?

--
Pete

[Patrick Scheible]

I don't, but movies aren't really high on my list. The last new movie I
saw was Harry Potter 8, and that was just because the Child wanted to
see it.

-- Patrick

[D.J.]

I watched that movie at a drive-in movie theater decades ago.
.
JimP.
--
Brushing aside the thorns so I can see the stars.
http://www.linuxgazette.net/ Linux Gazette
http://www.drivein-jim.net/ Drive-In movie theaters
http://story.drivein-jim.net/ A story Feb, 2011

[Harry Vaderchi]

On Thu, 10 May 2012 19:48:26 +0100, Peter Flass <Peter...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

Sorry.

--
[dash dash space newline 4line sig]

Albi CNU

[Walter Bushell]

In article <joh242$i8d$1...@dont-email.me>,

Some of us are not much into movies.

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This space unintentionally left blank.

[Rod Speed]

Walter Bushell <pr...@panix.com> wrote
> Peter Flass <Peter...@Yahoo.com> wrote

>> sarr.b...@alum.dartmouth.org wrote
>>> Joe Morris<j.c.m...@verizon.net> wrote:
>>>> Dave Garland<dave.g...@wizinfo.com> wrote

>>>> ObNonComputerTrivia: the main street in the NWS complex is named
>>>> "Thunder Road". How many people here get the movie reference?

>>> With Robert Mitchum. Yep.

>> Now I'm starting to feel old again. You mean there
>> are people here who *don't* remember the movie?

> Some of us are not much into movies.

Yeah, I never did watch that many even in that era, certainly none
of the shit like that. Don’t even watch one every couple of years now.

[jmfbahciv]

the last movie I saw was Forrest Gump.

/BAH

[Charlie Gibbs]

In article <Pine.LNX.4.64.12...@darkstar.example.net>,

et...@ncf.ca (Michael Black) writes:

> On Thu, 10 May 2012, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>
>> In article <jog5f...@news1.newsguy.com>, j.c.m...@verizon.net
>> (Joe Morris) writes:
>>
>>> ObNonComputerTrivia: the main street in the NWS complex is named
>>> "Thunder Road". How many people here get the movie reference?
>>
>> Not I - but I do remember the song.
>
> The movie I know about was about running moonshine, with Robert
> Mitchum.

So is the song - complete with Robert Mitchum. In fact...
<google, google...> Mitchum produced the movie and co-wrote
both the screenplay and the song ("The Ballad of Thunder Road")
for the movie. He later recorded it himself and got lots of airplay.

> If you know the Bruce Springsteen song, that has nothing to do with
> moonshine as far as I know, then New Riders of the Purple Sage had
> "Whiskey" which is about running moonshine.

When I was started googling for "Thunder Road", I was surprised
at how far I had to dig to get hits for anyone but Springsteen.

NRPS also did one called "Henry", about someone who runs marijuana
in from Mexico.

[Patrick Scheible]

Yeah, but you don't have a child dying to see Harry Potter.

I might see Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy when it's released on DVD and
the library gets it. Oh, wait, I see it has. Hold placed...

-- Patrick

[Rod Speed]

jmfbahciv <See....@aol.com> wrote
> Patrick Scheible wrote
>> Peter Flass <Peter...@Yahoo.com> wrote

>>> sarr.b...@alum.dartmouth.org wrote
>>>> Joe Morris<j.c.m...@verizon.net> wrote
>>>>> Dave Garland<dave.g...@wizinfo.com> wrote:

>>>>> ObNonComputerTrivia: the main street in the NWS complex is named
>>>>> "Thunder Road". How many people here get the movie reference?

>>>> With Robert Mitchum. Yep.

>>> Now I'm starting to feel old again. You mean there
>>> are people here who *don't* remember the movie?

>> I don't, but movies aren't really high on my list.
>> The last new movie I saw was Harry Potter 8, and
>> that was just because the Child wanted to see it.

> the last movie I saw was Forrest Gump.

I didn’t even watch that, started on it and gave up after about 5 mins.

[Paul]

"Charlie Gibbs" <cgi...@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote in
news:1408.549T2...@kltpzyxm.invalid:

> In article
> <Pine.LNX.4.64.12...@darkstar.example.net>,
> et...@ncf.ca (Michael Black) writes:
>
>> On Thu, 10 May 2012, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>
>>> In article <jog5f...@news1.newsguy.com>,
>>> j.c.m...@verizon.net (Joe Morris) writes:
>>>
>>>> ObNonComputerTrivia: the main street in the NWS complex is
>>>> named "Thunder Road". How many people here get the movie
>>>> reference?
>>>
>>> Not I - but I do remember the song.
>>
>> The movie I know about was about running moonshine, with Robert
>> Mitchum.
>
> So is the song - complete with Robert Mitchum. In fact...
> <google, google...> Mitchum produced the movie and co-wrote
> both the screenplay and the song ("The Ballad of Thunder Road")
> for the movie. He later recorded it himself and got lots of
> airplay.

That fool was the terror of Highway 101.

One of my favorite songs when I was a kid.

--
Paul

[Harry Vaderchi]

On Fri, 11 May 2012 17:14:09 +0100, Patrick Scheible <k...@zipcon.net>
wrote:

> jmfbahciv <See....@aol.com> writes:
>
>> Patrick Scheible wrote:
>>> Peter Flass <Peter...@Yahoo.com> writes:
>>>
>>>> On 5/10/2012 12:25 PM, sarr.b...@alum.dartmouth.org wrote:
>>>>> Joe Morris<j.c.m...@verizon.net> wrote:
>>>>> : "Dave Garland"<dave.g...@wizinfo.com> wrote:
>>>>> : ObNonComputerTrivia: the main street in the NWS complex is named
>> "Thunder
>>>>> : Road". How many people here get the movie reference?
>>>>>
>>>>> With Robert Mitchum. Yep.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Now I'm starting to feel old again. You mean there are people here
>>>> who *don't* remember the movie?
>>>
>>> I don't, but movies aren't really high on my list. The last new movie
>>> I
>>> saw was Harry Potter 8, and that was just because the Child wanted to
>>> see it.
>>
>> the last movie I saw was Forrest Gump.

I can see why that would put you off!

>
> Yeah, but you don't have a child dying to see Harry Potter.
>

Seem 'em; OK I spose.

> I might see Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy when it's released on DVD and
> the library gets it. Oh, wait, I see it has. Hold placed...
>

wasn't that on the telly back in 79?



> -- Patrick
my sig sep's broken too!

[jmfbahciv]

It was the last movie I saw with JMF. He was already dying. I liked
the movie but I was bawling for an hour after we left. I couldn't stop
even when I knew JMF was getting upset.

/BAH

[jmfbahciv]

Patrick Scheible wrote:
> jmfbahciv <See....@aol.com> writes:
>
>> Patrick Scheible wrote:
>>> Peter Flass <Peter...@Yahoo.com> writes:
>>>
>>>> On 5/10/2012 12:25 PM, sarr.b...@alum.dartmouth.org wrote:
>>>>> Joe Morris<j.c.m...@verizon.net> wrote:
>>>>> : "Dave Garland"<dave.g...@wizinfo.com> wrote:
>>>>> : ObNonComputerTrivia: the main street in the NWS complex is named
>> "Thunder
>>>>> : Road". How many people here get the movie reference?
>>>>>
>>>>> With Robert Mitchum. Yep.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Now I'm starting to feel old again. You mean there are people here
>>>> who *don't* remember the movie?
>>>
>>> I don't, but movies aren't really high on my list. The last new movie I
>>> saw was Harry Potter 8, and that was just because the Child wanted to
>>> see it.
>>
>> the last movie I saw was Forrest Gump.
>
> Yeah, but you don't have a child dying to see Harry Potter.

Right :-).

>
> I might see Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy when it's released on DVD and
> the library gets it. Oh, wait, I see it has. Hold placed...

There are advantages working there, aren't there?

/BAH

[Rod Speed]

jmfbahciv <See....@aol.com> wrote

Yeah, I really should try again with some of those that so many
do find worth watching. I do sometimes reject stuff and come
back later and find that it was worth watching.

OTOH very little of what so many consider to be all time greats
like Gone with the Wind or Titanic etc appeal to me at all.

[Patrick Scheible]

Definitely! I could get it from the public library too, but it would
just be a longer wait. Let's see, I'd be number 1132 in line for 150
copies, about 4 months.

-- Patrick

[William Hamblen]

I enjoyed thirty years ago the BBC/Paramount mini-series with Alec Guiness
as George Smiley. That one had the advantage that the Cold War was
still on, making it less of a period piece. The recent movie was good.
It was nice to see that John Le Carre is still on his own two legs.

Bud

[jmfbahciv]

I liked the story and was entertained. The death of one's love
was just too close at that time.

>
> OTOH very little of what so many consider to be all time greats
> like Gone with the Wind or Titanic etc appeal to me at all.
>

I hated GWTW; it was the first movie I saw at a movie theater
(it was a sin to go see a movie back then) when I was 15. I've
never seen Titanic.

/BAH

[Walter Bushell]

In article <PM0004BFE...@aca212c6.ipt.aol.com>,

jmfbahciv <See....@aol.com> wrote:
>
>
> I hated GWTW; it was the first movie I saw at a movie theater
> (it was a sin to go see a movie back then) when I was 15. I've
> never seen Titanic.
>
> /BAH

What religion were you then?

[Patrick Scheible]

Titanic did a good job filming the ship and the disaster. But the main
romantic plot was sappy and ridiculous. I don't think you missed much.

-- Patrick

[Joe Morris]

"Patrick Scheible" <k...@zipcon.net> wrote in message
news:86pqa7y...@zipcon.net...

> jmfbahciv <See....@aol.com> writes:

>> I hated GWTW; it was the first movie I saw at a movie theater
>> (it was a sin to go see a movie back then) when I was 15. I've
>> never seen Titanic.

> Titanic did a good job filming the ship and the disaster. But the main
> romantic plot was sappy and ridiculous. I don't think you missed much.

If you want a good movie on Titanic, it's hard to beat the 1958 film _A
Night to Remember_, which was an excellent movie adaptation of Walter Lord's
1955 book of the same title. Unsurprisingly, it was on cable last month.

Joe

[Patrick Scheible]

Yes, they did a better job. The true story has enough of interest that
they didn't need to add a highly improbable love story. (Although the
ship was better in _Titanic_).

-- Patrick

[William Hamblen]

Outside the theater after the Cameron Titanic you got examples of the
differences between men and women. The women: "Oh, Kate! Oh, Leo!"
The men: "What a boat!"

Bud

[grey...@mail.com]

On 2012-05-14, Patrick Scheible <k...@zipcon.net> wrote:

T'was on local papers recently that an Irishman, of the same
name as DeCaprios character, was drowned off the Titanic,
buried in, I think, Halifax, and people started leaving flowers on his
grave since the movie, there was no romantic interest in the real
mans life as in the movie. Peculiar, because part of the writing of
such a script would be checking that people of the same name were
not used. Never saw 'Titanic', as all the publicity put me off.



--
maus
.
.
...

[Nick Spalding]

grey...@mail.com wrote, in <slrnjr1hnl.2...@deb.org>
on 14 May 2012 09:51:02 GMT:

I never saw it either though I believe a cousin of my Belfast granny's
is in it, Thomas Andrews the ship's chief designer.
--
Nick Spalding

[jmfbahciv]

Walter Bushell wrote:
> In article <PM0004BFE...@aca212c6.ipt.aol.com>,
> jmfbahciv <See....@aol.com> wrote:
> >
>>
>> I hated GWTW; it was the first movie I saw at a movie theater
>> (it was a sin to go see a movie back then) when I was 15. I've
>> never seen Titanic.
>>
>> /BAH
>
> What religion were you then?
>

The call themselves Reformed which was^Wiis less strict
than Dutch Reformed. Both services were conducted in
the church my family atteded. There were a lot of
things which were sinful, including being smarter than
the average bear.

/BAH

[jmfbahciv]

I saw that one on TV a very long time ago. The image that still stays in
my mind is the choir at the end of the movie.

/BAH

[Charles Richmond]

"jmfbahciv" <See....@aol.com> wrote in message
news:PM0004BFF...@users-ibook-g4-6.unknown.dom...

I don't remember a choir, but I remember the band... sort of a string
quartet, but maybe with a few more instruments. They played on deck until
the ship broke up.

--

numerist at aquaporin4 dot com

[Peter Flass]

That's why it did so well at the box office. A little something for
everyone. I particularly liked the scene of the ship being loaded in
preparation for sailing - hoisting the car in, etc.


--
Pete

[Peter Flass]

Nearer My God to Thee" was apparently was made fiction.


--
Pete

[Walter Bushell]

In article <PM0004BFF...@users-ibook-g4-6.unknown.dom>,

Ah. So that's were the hymn about Gladly the cross eyed bear came from.

Sounds worse than the Baptists who as we all know frowned on sex
standing up because it could lead to dancing.

[Patrick Scheible]

Some witnesses said they heard it, others said they did not. Cameron's
Titanic made a reasonable compromise: the band played other tunes for a
long while, then the conductor dismissed them to see if they could find
spots in a lifeboat, but some of the band continued to play and that's
when they played "Nearer My God to Thee". With eyewitness accounts and
witnesses who were rather busy at the time it's easy to be mistaken.

-- Patrick

[Patrick Scheible]

God gave us brains, but it's a sin to use them?

-- Patrick

[Walter Bushell]

In article <86k40ei...@zipcon.net>,

And certainly not to notice the man behind the curtain.

[Charlie Gibbs]

In article <jor4sl$8bh$3...@dont-email.me>, Peter...@Yahoo.com

And, for the prurient of mind, what they did _in_ the car later.

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[Charlie Gibbs]

In article <jor0jq$gka$1...@dont-email.me>, nume...@aquaporin4.com

I don't remember a choir, but I do remember the string quartet.

Harry Chapin did a take on it on the title track of one of his
later albums:

I'm in the dance band on the Titanic
Sing "Nearer My God to Thee"
The iceberg's off the starboard bow
Won't you dance with me?

[Charlie Gibbs]

In article <proto-418B49....@news.panix.com>, pr...@panix.com

(Walter Bushell) writes:

> In article <PM0004BFF...@users-ibook-g4-6.unknown.dom>,
> jmfbahciv <See....@aol.com> wrote:
>
>> Walter Bushell wrote:
>>
>>> What religion were you then?
>>
>> The call themselves Reformed which was^Wiis less strict
>> than Dutch Reformed. Both services were conducted in
>> the church my family atteded. There were a lot of
>> things which were sinful, including being smarter than
>> the average bear.

That one still is a sin, just about everywhere.

> Ah. So that's were the hymn about Gladly the cross eyed bear
> came from.

"There is a bomb in Gilead, to make a wounded hole."

> Sounds worse than the Baptists who as we all know frowned on sex
> standing up because it could lead to dancing.

"Puritanism: the haunting fear that someone, somewhere,
may be happy." -- H.L. Mencken

[Charlie Gibbs]

In article <86ipfzf...@zipcon.net>, k...@zipcon.net

(Patrick Scheible) writes:

> "Joe Morris" <j.c.m...@verizon.net> writes:
>
>> "Patrick Scheible" <k...@zipcon.net> wrote in message
>> news:86pqa7y...@zipcon.net...
>>
>>> jmfbahciv <See....@aol.com> writes:
>>
>>>> I hated GWTW; it was the first movie I saw at a movie theater
>>>> (it was a sin to go see a movie back then) when I was 15. I've
>>>> never seen Titanic.
>>>
>>> Titanic did a good job filming the ship and the disaster. But the
>>> main romantic plot was sappy and ridiculous. I don't think you
>>> missed much.
>>
>> If you want a good movie on Titanic, it's hard to beat the 1958 film
>> _A Night to Remember_, which was an excellent movie adaptation of
>> Walter Lord's 1955 book of the same title. Unsurprisingly, it was
>> on cable last month.

I remember seeing that one when I was a kid. We were trying to see
Walt Disney's "The Shaggy Dog", but couldn't get into that theatre.
I'll have to dig it up sometime. (Heck, both of them.)

> Yes, they did a better job. The true story has enough of interest
> that they didn't need to add a highly improbable love story.
> (Although the ship was better in _Titanic_).

Cameron did do a good job of highlighting the class system of the
time - and its incipient decline. (Too bad it's making a comeback...)

[Rod Speed]

jmfbahciv <See....@aol.com> wrote

> Joe Morris wrote
>> Patrick Scheible <k...@zipcon.net> wrote

>>> jmfbahciv <See....@aol.com> wrote

>>>> I hated GWTW; it was the first movie I saw at a movie theater
>>>> (it was a sin to go see a movie back then) when I was 15. I've
>>>> never seen Titanic.

>>> Titanic did a good job filming the ship and the disaster. But the main
>>> romantic plot was sappy and ridiculous. I don't think you missed much.

>> If you want a good movie on Titanic, it's hard to beat the 1958 film _A
>> Night
>> to Remember_, which was an excellent movie adaptation of Walter Lord's
>> 1955 book of the same title. Unsurprisingly, it was on cable last month.

> I saw that one on TV a very long time ago. The image that
> still stays in my mind is the choir at the end of the movie.

Trouble with that stuff is that I always wonder about
whether anything like that ever actually happened.

That’s why I prefer a doco where you can actually see some
of the survivors talking about what happened to them, rather
than some damned movie with its silly soppy story lines etc.

Corse sometimes some movies can do something no doco
can ever do, like that shit of a movie 'The Day After' about what
might happen with full nuclear war. The image of people in the
US midwest looking out of their farmhouse windows watching
all the fucking great nuke missiles launching, from the silos in
their fields, knowing that the end of the world was going to
happen in just 30 mins more is one hell of an image. None of
the rest of that steaming turd of a movie sticks in my mind
except that it was a steaming turd of a movie otherwise.

[Rod Speed]

Patrick Scheible <k...@zipcon.net> wrote
> jmfbahciv <See....@aol.com> wrote

>> Walter Bushell wrote

>>> jmfbahciv <See....@aol.com> wrote

>>>> I hated GWTW; it was the first movie I saw at a
>>>> movie theater (it was a sin to go see a movie
>>>> back then) when I was 15. I've never seen Titanic.

>>> What religion were you then?

>> The call themselves Reformed which was^Wiis less strict
>> than Dutch Reformed. Both services were conducted in
>> the church my family atteded. There were a lot of
>> things which were sinful, including being smarter than
>> the average bear.

> God gave us brains, but it's a sin to use them?

God clearly gave roman catholic priests dicks,
but its also a sin for them to use those too.

There have even been a few churches into celibacy
for all their members even tho some god or other
clearly gave them sexual organs.

Fundys can be FUCKING weird.

[Peter Flass]

On 5/14/2012 2:10 PM, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> In article<jor4sl$8bh$3...@dont-email.me>, Peter...@Yahoo.com
> (Peter Flass) writes:
>
>> On 5/14/2012 2:28 AM, William Hamblen wrote:
>>
>>> Outside the theater after the Cameron Titanic you got examples of the
>>> differences between men and women. The women: "Oh, Kate! Oh, Leo!"
>>> The men: "What a boat!"
>>
>> That's why it did so well at the box office. A little something for
>> everyone. I particularly liked the scene of the ship being loaded in
>> preparation for sailing - hoisting the car in, etc.
>
> And, for the prurient of mind, what they did _in_ the car later.

I dunno. I couldn't tell, the windows were too steamed up.


--
Pete

[Patrick Scheible]

A bit overplayed, I thought. Yes, Kate might have refused to marry the
rich American bastard industrialist, although most young women of that
class would understand that once they married and produced an heir,
discrete affairs were tolerated and widely practiced.

But I don't believe her visiting the 3rd class deck or getting talked
out of suicide by a 3rd class passenger. I don't believe a young woman
in her position having sex in a car in the hold of a ship with a man she
met about 24 hours before.

I don't believe they could have gotten into the kitches, holds, or
engineering spaces of the ship, or evaded capture if they did. I
definitely don't believe Bastard Industrialist inviting Leonardo to dine
in 1st class. I don't believe the ship's Master at Arms would have
turned the job of guarding Leo over to Bastard's goon. I'm having
trouble remembering how many times Kate or Leo or Bastard turned down a
nice safe seat in a lifeboat in order to rescue or chase one of the
others, and I don't believe it any of the times it was shown.

I also don't believe Bastard would have continued to want to marry Kate
even after Kate made it completely clear that she hated the whole idea.
It wouldn't have been that hard for a rich, reasonably handsome man to
find an arm decoration who actually wanted the job.

-- Patrick

[Charles Richmond]

"Charlie Gibbs" <cgi...@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote in message
news:1780.552T7...@kltpzyxm.invalid...
>
> [snip...] [snip...]
> [snip...]

>
> I don't remember a choir, but I do remember the string quartet.
>
> Harry Chapin did a take on it on the title track of one of his
> later albums:
>
> I'm in the dance band on the Titanic
> Sing "Nearer My God to Thee"
> The iceberg's off the starboard bow
> Won't you dance with me?
>

ISTM that there was some disagreement among the lifeboat survivors of the
Titanic sinking. Some said the last tune the band played was "Nearer My God
to Thee", and some said the last tune was ""Autumn", which may have meant
Archibald Joyce's then-popular waltz "Songe d'Automne" (Autumn Dream).

[Elliott Roper]

In article <1IednZDpT7VgOC3S...@earthlink.com>, William

Hamblen <william...@earthlink.net> wrote:

> Outside the theater after the Cameron Titanic you got examples of the
> differences between men and women. The women: "Oh, Kate! Oh, Leo!"
> The men: "What a boat!"

The geeks: "How many alphas to render the effects?"

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[Charlie Gibbs]

In article <140520122342319328%nos...@yrl.co.uk>, nos...@yrl.co.uk

(Elliott Roper) writes:

> In article <1IednZDpT7VgOC3S...@earthlink.com>,
> William Hamblen <william...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>> Outside the theater after the Cameron Titanic you got examples of the
>> differences between men and women. The women: "Oh, Kate! Oh, Leo!"
>> The men: "What a boat!"
>
> The geeks: "How many alphas to render the effects?"

Old geeks like me drool over the beautiful big steam cylinders
in the engine room. So smooth, so silent, so... _analog_.

[Charlie Gibbs]

In article <863972o...@zipcon.net>, k...@zipcon.net
(Patrick Scheible) writes:

<Titanic screenplay criticisms snipped>

> I also don't believe Bastard would have continued to want to marry
> Kate even after Kate made it completely clear that she hated the
> whole idea. It wouldn't have been that hard for a rich, reasonably
> handsome man to find an arm decoration who actually wanted the job.

It's hard to dispute any of your arguments. That's probably why
I never seemed to find the time to watch the movie again. On
the other hand, it was rather nice the way Kate found an escape.

Serendipitously, while googling H.L. Mencken earlier today for the
exact wording of his Puritanism quote, I stumbled across another
of his that applies here, albeit in a rather offbeat way:

Of all escape mechanisms, death is the most efficient.

[Peter Flass]

On 5/14/2012 10:01 PM, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> In article<140520122342319328%nos...@yrl.co.uk>, nos...@yrl.co.uk
> (Elliott Roper) writes:
>
>> In article<1IednZDpT7VgOC3S...@earthlink.com>,
>> William Hamblen<william...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Outside the theater after the Cameron Titanic you got examples of the
>>> differences between men and women. The women: "Oh, Kate! Oh, Leo!"
>>> The men: "What a boat!"
>>
>> The geeks: "How many alphas to render the effects?"
>
> Old geeks like me drool over the beautiful big steam cylinders
> in the engine room. So smooth, so silent, so... _analog_.
>

Yes, none of this newfangled electronics. That was *real* technology!

--
Pete

[jmfbahciv]

It is if one questions things which are contrary to
their teachings.

/BAH

[jmfbahciv]

I have a newphew whose goal is to work on those kinds of big things.

/BAH

[jmfbahciv]

Walter Bushell wrote:
> In article <PM0004BFF...@users-ibook-g4-6.unknown.dom>,
> jmfbahciv <See....@aol.com> wrote:
>
>> Walter Bushell wrote:
>> > In article <PM0004BFE...@aca212c6.ipt.aol.com>,
>> > jmfbahciv <See....@aol.com> wrote:
>> > >
>> >>
>> >> I hated GWTW; it was the first movie I saw at a movie theater
>> >> (it was a sin to go see a movie back then) when I was 15. I've
>> >> never seen Titanic.
>> >>
>> >> /BAH
>> >
>> > What religion were you then?
>> >
>> The call themselves Reformed which was^Wiis less strict
>> than Dutch Reformed. Both services were conducted in
>> the church my family atteded. There were a lot of
>> things which were sinful, including being smarter than
>> the average bear.
>>
>> /BAH
>
> Ah. So that's were the hymn about Gladly the cross eyed bear came from.
>
> Sounds worse than the Baptists who as we all know frowned on sex
> standing up because it could lead to dancing.
>

I think Baptists are worse. They did try to remove books from
the library here but the Dutch sent them packing. I told Mom
they would also have to remove all Bibles because they also
contained whatever was being eliminated.

/BAH

[jmfbahciv]

Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> In article <proto-418B49....@news.panix.com>, pr...@panix.com
> (Walter Bushell) writes:
>
>> In article <PM0004BFF...@users-ibook-g4-6.unknown.dom>,
>> jmfbahciv <See....@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Walter Bushell wrote:
>>>
>>>> What religion were you then?
>>>
>>> The call themselves Reformed which was^Wiis less strict
>>> than Dutch Reformed. Both services were conducted in
>>> the church my family atteded. There were a lot of
>>> things which were sinful, including being smarter than
>>> the average bear.
>
> That one still is a sin, just about everywhere.

Yea, I know :-((((

<snip>

/BAH

[D.J.]

There are different 'types' of Baptists. Some will just tell their
particular church members what they shouldn't rad, others try to tell
the entire planet what not to read. The later are not nice people.
Uhm, I grew up a Baptist of the first type, but I got better.
.
JimP.
--
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[D.J.]

I don't know the guy's exact religion, other than Protestant, but he
got upset when I pointed out that the 'Earth is the center of the
universe' is not ni the Christian Bible, but something frmo a pagan
Greek philosopher. He also got upset when I pointed out the Earth
isn't flat, nor held up by turtles. Which are also not Christian
beliefs.

[maus]

On 2012-05-15, D.J <pongb...@cableone.net> wrote:
> On 15 May 2012 14:12:07 GMT, jmfbahciv <See....@aol.com> wrote:
>>Patrick Scheible wrote:
>>> jmfbahciv <See....@aol.com> writes:
>>>
>>> God gave us brains, but it's a sin to use them?
>>
>>It is if one questions things which are contrary to
>>their teachings.
>
> I don't know the guy's exact religion, other than Protestant, but he
> got upset when I pointed out that the 'Earth is the center of the
> universe' is not ni the Christian Bible, but something frmo a pagan
> Greek philosopher. He also got upset when I pointed out the Earth
> isn't flat, nor held up by turtles. Which are also not Christian
> beliefs.
> .
> JimP.

My sole knowledge of Baptists is once in the US with my wife, RC,
very religious lady, Sunday, no chapel within reach, so we went
to a Baptist religious service and stood at the door and listened.
A good memory. (There are Baptists here, a church fairly near,
Non-Baptist people go on tours with them to the Holy places, but
they seem to be different than described in the US)

I maay be wrong here, but regarding the `Earth as the center of the
Universe', thing, since relativity, with knowledge that all
the Universe is moving, one could use the concept of the Earth as center.

[jmfbahciv]

I know.

> Some will just tell their
> particular church members what they shouldn't rad, others try to tell
> the entire planet what not to read. The later are not nice people.
> Uhm, I grew up a Baptist of the first type, but I got better.

<grin> It was the exports who were trying clean up the library. I was
still in Mass. so I didn't have direct exposure to the virus. All
of my family are <spit>"religious" and see nothing wrong with breaking
their commandments as long as they get their way. I had one commandment
for myself during most of my adult life: thou shalt not trespass.
After JMF died, I added a corollary. Don't let others trespass on me.


/BAH

[Dan Espen]

maus <grey...@mail.com> writes:

> I maay be wrong here, but regarding the `Earth as the center of the
> Universe', thing, since relativity, with knowledge that all
> the Universe is moving, one could use the concept of the Earth as center.

Complete with the Sun orbiting the Earth.

There's a long running thread over on talk.origins as a literalist tries
to invent a physics defending a stationary Earth. It's idiotic.

--
Dan Espen

[maus]

The earth is not stationary, but moving around the Sun, and
all are moving are around the Galaxy, which is moving around
something else, and so on. Which is 0,0?.. None.


--
maus
.
.
...

[Dan Espen]

Actually, I think 0.0.0 (just the 3 space coordinates)
just passed through my living room. I wouldn't expect
anything unusual to happen, and nothing did.

I don't think there's much chance of t=0 showing up.

--
Dan Espen

[D.J.]

It doesn't matter what reality shows, to those who Believe, reality
doesn't change the facts they believe in.

[D.J.]

Of course they cannot do wrong, in their minds, because unless you are
a member of their particular Church, you aint nothin'.

Soome of you may not know that Southern Baptists can fire their
preacher. Or split off and make a new Chrurch and hire a preacher that
preaches they way they want.

Some years ago we went visiting relatives. A nearby town to them had
less than 500 people, and over 10 Baptist Churches. Most of them along
one road.

Why ? Split off groups who formed their own church, on the next
building lot down the road. The relatives told me, except for driving
in traffic, they all acted like the other 9 buildings and parking lots
of cars, didn't exist.

[Nick Spalding]

D.J. wrote, in <8n08r7d5bffbcae1t...@4ax.com>
on Wed, 16 May 2012 14:42:16 -0500:

In other words, it ain't reality.
--
Nick Spalding

[Charlie Gibbs]

In article <l138r7tov0ft6tpu9...@4ax.com>, spal...@iol.ie

"In politics, perception is reality."

[Peter Flass]

If there is such a thing as reality. I'm not sure anymore.

--
Pete

[maus]

probably that should be 0,0,0,0, (x,y,z,t?)
.................snore,
surely an ancient Greek would have a saying, something like
`All is flux, '

[Dan Espen]

Well, it would be 0,0,0,0 but I intentionally left out time
since I don't think t=0 ever passed through my living room,
let alone occur.

--
Dan Espen

[Rod Speed]

Peter Flass <Peter...@Yahoo.com> wrote
> Nick Spalding wrote
>> D.J. wrote
>>> maus<grey...@mail.com> wrote
>>>> D.J<pongb...@cableone.net> wrote

>>>>> jmfbahciv<See....@aol.com> wrote
>>>>>> Patrick Scheible wrote

>>>>>>> jmfbahciv<See....@aol.com> wrote

>>>>>>> God gave us brains, but it's a sin to use them?

>>>>>> It is if one questions things which are contrary to their teachings.

>>>>> I don't know the guy's exact religion, other than Protestant, but he
>>>>> got upset when I pointed out that the 'Earth is the center of the
>>>>> universe' is not ni the Christian Bible, but something frmo a pagan
>>>>> Greek philosopher. He also got upset when I pointed out the Earth
>>>>> isn't flat, nor held up by turtles. Which are also not Christian
>>>>> beliefs.

>>>> My sole knowledge of Baptists is once in the US with my wife, RC,
>>>> very religious lady, Sunday, no chapel within reach, so we went
>>>> to a Baptist religious service and stood at the door and listened.
>>>> A good memory. (There are Baptists here, a church fairly near,
>>>> Non-Baptist people go on tours with them to the Holy places, but
>>>> they seem to be different than described in the US)

>>>> I maay be wrong here, but regarding the `Earth as the center of the
>>>> Universe', thing, since relativity, with knowledge that all
>>>> the Universe is moving, one could use the concept of the Earth as
>>>> center.

>>> It doesn't matter what reality shows, to those who Believe, reality
>>> doesn't change the facts they believe in.

>> In other words, it ain't reality.

> If there is such a thing as reality. I'm not sure anymore.

I am on such basic stuff as whether the earth revolves around the
sun or the reverse or whether the earth is flat or roughly spherical.

[Ahem A Rivet's Shot]

On 16 May 12 13:49:23 -0800

"Charlie Gibbs" <cgi...@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:

> In article <l138r7tov0ft6tpu9...@4ax.com>, spal...@iol.ie
> (Nick Spalding) writes:
>
> > D.J. wrote, in <8n08r7d5bffbcae1t...@4ax.com>
> > on Wed, 16 May 2012 14:42:16 -0500:
> >
> >> On 16 May 2012 08:00:00 GMT, maus <grey...@mail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> I maay be wrong here, but regarding the `Earth as the center of
> >>> the Universe', thing, since relativity, with knowledge that all
> >>> the Universe is moving, one could use the concept of the Earth
> >>> as center.
> >>
> >> It doesn't matter what reality shows, to those who Believe, reality
> >> doesn't change the facts they believe in.
> >
> > In other words, it ain't reality.
>
> "In politics, perception is reality."

As it is in some interpretations of quantum theory.

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[Walter Bushell]

In article <930.554T11...@kltpzyxm.invalid>,

"Charlie Gibbs" <cgi...@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:

> "In politics, perception is reality."

Humans can only survive in groups, so we always have politics. Even
(or especially?!) in a couple there is politics, so there ain't no
thing more real than politics.

"What would the world be like if there were no hypotheticals?"

Remember what happened when Alice ended up in the forest where there
were no names?

--
This space unintentionally left blank.

[jmfbahciv]

and then man had to invent fudge factors.

/BAH

[Charles Richmond]

"Peter Flass" <Peter...@Yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:jotkam$4jl$1...@dont-email.me...

> On 5/14/2012 10:01 PM, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>> In article<140520122342319328%nos...@yrl.co.uk>, nos...@yrl.co.uk
>> (Elliott Roper) writes:
>>
>>> In article<1IednZDpT7VgOC3S...@earthlink.com>,
>>> William Hamblen<william...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Outside the theater after the Cameron Titanic you got examples of the
>>>> differences between men and women. The women: "Oh, Kate! Oh, Leo!"
>>>> The men: "What a boat!"
>>>
>>> The geeks: "How many alphas to render the effects?"
>>
>> Old geeks like me drool over the beautiful big steam cylinders
>> in the engine room. So smooth, so silent, so... _analog_.
>>
>
> Yes, none of this newfangled electronics. That was *real* technology!
>

And what did this *real* technology buy them??? A reservation in Davy
Jones' locker. (No, *not* the Davy Jones with the Monkees!!!)

The turbine engines on subsequent ships let them develop much greater
speeds.

--

numerist at aquaporin4 dot com

[Charles Richmond]

"jmfbahciv" <See....@aol.com> wrote in message
news:PM0004C01...@ac810ca7.ipt.aol.com...

ISTM that religions want you to think to some degree. But beyond that
limited point, you are supposed to take things on faith... or you are an
heretic. The Holy Bible trys to explain things where people can understand,
but if there are still questions in your mind... you're supposed to take it
on faith. Why *not* just say "take it *all* on faith"???

[Charles Richmond]

"maus" <grey...@mail.com> wrote in message
news:slrnjr82bq.2...@deb.org...

Now we say "all is fluxed up"!!! ;-)

[Charles Richmond]

"Walter Bushell" <pr...@panix.com> wrote in message
news:proto-9FBE83....@news.panix.com...

Remember what Austrian philosopher Ludwig Wittgenstein said at the end of
his book _Tractatus Logico-Philosophicus_:

"What can not be said, must be passed over in silence."

Only he said it in German.

(Yes, there really *is* a book called _Tractatus Logico-Philosophicus_ and
was a philosopher named Ludwig Wittgenstein. This did *not* come off an
episode of The Simpsons.)

[Charlie Gibbs]

In article <jp326r$6hu$1...@dont-email.me>, nume...@aquaporin4.com

(Charles Richmond) writes:

> "Peter Flass" <Peter...@Yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:jotkam$4jl$1...@dont-email.me...
>
>> On 5/14/2012 10:01 PM, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>
>>> In article<140520122342319328%nos...@yrl.co.uk>, nos...@yrl.co.uk
>>> (Elliott Roper) writes:
>>>
>>>> In article<1IednZDpT7VgOC3S...@earthlink.com>,
>>>> William Hamblen<william...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Outside the theater after the Cameron Titanic you got examples
>>>>> of the differences between men and women. The women: "Oh, Kate!
>>>>> Oh, Leo!" The men: "What a boat!"
>>>>
>>>> The geeks: "How many alphas to render the effects?"
>>>
>>> Old geeks like me drool over the beautiful big steam cylinders
>>> in the engine room. So smooth, so silent, so... _analog_.
>>
>> Yes, none of this newfangled electronics. That was *real*
>> technology!
>
> And what did this *real* technology buy them??? A reservation in
> Davy Jones' locker. (No, *not* the Davy Jones with the Monkees!!!)

The Exxon Valdez didn't do too well even with all the newfangled
electronics. The underlying human factors were quite similar in
both cases.

> The turbine engines on subsequent ships let them develop much greater
> speeds.

Now we can _really_ hit that iceberg!

[Charlie Gibbs]

In article <jp32bs$7m7$1...@dont-email.me>, nume...@aquaporin4.com

(Charles Richmond) writes:

> "jmfbahciv" <See....@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:PM0004C01...@ac810ca7.ipt.aol.com...
>
>> Patrick Scheible wrote:
>>
>>> jmfbahciv <See....@aol.com> writes:
>>>
>>>> Walter Bushell wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> In article <PM0004BFE...@aca212c6.ipt.aol.com>,
>>>>> jmfbahciv <See....@aol.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I hated GWTW; it was the first movie I saw at a movie theater
>>>>>> (it was a sin to go see a movie back then) when I was 15. I've
>>>>>> never seen Titanic.
>>>>>

>>>>> What religion were you then?
>>>>
>>>> The call themselves Reformed which was^Wiis less strict
>>>> than Dutch Reformed. Both services were conducted in
>>>> the church my family atteded. There were a lot of
>>>> things which were sinful, including being smarter than
>>>> the average bear.
>>>
>>> God gave us brains, but it's a sin to use them?
>>
>> It is if one questions things which are contrary to
>> their teachings.
>
> ISTM that religions want you to think to some degree. But beyond
> that limited point, you are supposed to take things on faith... or
> you are an heretic. The Holy Bible trys to explain things where
> people can understand, but if there are still questions in your
> mind... you're supposed to take it on faith. Why *not* just say
> "take it *all* on faith"???

This is a delicate question which has plagued every "controlled"
society. A certain amount of judgement is essential - you can't
have people running to their local commissar for decisions on
every little thing that comes up unexpectedly. But how do you
contain this judgement so that it doesn't pose a threat to the
power base? Many systems have been tried, both in real life and
in fiction ("Nineteen Eighty-Four", for instance) - but there's
always that danger that a bit of free thought will leak out into
places where it's not wanted...

[Walter Bushell]

In article <jp32bs$7m7$1...@dont-email.me>,

"Charles Richmond" <nume...@aquaporin4.com> wrote:

> ISTM that religions want you to think to some degree. But beyond that
> limited point, you are supposed to take things on faith... or you are an
> heretic. The Holy Bible trys to explain things where people can understand,
> but if there are still questions in your mind... you're supposed to take it
> on faith. Why *not* just say "take it *all* on faith"???

What fun is *that*!? That would make the hierarchy eschew obfuscation.

[Patrick Scheible]

"Charlie Gibbs" <cgi...@kltpzyxm.invalid> writes:

> In article <l138r7tov0ft6tpu9...@4ax.com>, spal...@iol.ie
> (Nick Spalding) writes:
>
>> D.J. wrote, in <8n08r7d5bffbcae1t...@4ax.com>
>> on Wed, 16 May 2012 14:42:16 -0500:
>>
>>> On 16 May 2012 08:00:00 GMT, maus <grey...@mail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I maay be wrong here, but regarding the `Earth as the center of
>>>> the Universe', thing, since relativity, with knowledge that all
>>>> the Universe is moving, one could use the concept of the Earth
>>>> as center.
>>>
>>> It doesn't matter what reality shows, to those who Believe, reality
>>> doesn't change the facts they believe in.
>>
>> In other words, it ain't reality.
>
> "In politics, perception is reality."

Only for a little while. Reality gets the last word.

-- Patrick

[Rod Speed]

Walter Bushell <pr...@panix.com> wrote

> Charlie Gibbs <cgi...@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote

>> "In politics, perception is reality."

> Humans can only survive in groups,

That’s overstated and has nothing to do with politics either.

> so we always have politics.

You're grossly misusing the word politics.

> Even (or especially?!) in a couple there is politics,

But not everyone 'lives' like that.

> so there ain't no thing more real than politics.

And there you are mangling real and reality.

> "What would the world be like if there were no hypotheticals?"

> Remember what happened when Alice ended
> up in the forest where there were no names?

Doesn’t happen in the real world.

[Rod Speed]

Charles Richmond <nume...@aquaporin4.com> wrote
> jmfbahciv <See....@aol.com> wrote
>> Patrick Scheible wrote
>>> jmfbahciv <See....@aol.com> wrote
>>>> Walter Bushell wrote

>>>>> jmfbahciv <See....@aol.com> wrote

>>>>>> I hated GWTW; it was the first movie I saw at a movie theater (it was
>>>>>> a sin to go see a movie back then) when I was 15. I've never seen
>>>>>> Titanic.

>>>>> What religion were you then?

>>>> The call themselves Reformed which was^Wiis less strict
>>>> than Dutch Reformed. Both services were conducted in
>>>> the church my family atteded. There were a lot of
>>>> things which were sinful, including being smarter than
>>>> the average bear.

>>> God gave us brains, but it's a sin to use them?

>> It is if one questions things which are contrary to their teachings.

> ISTM that religions want you to think to some degree.

That’s very arguable indeed with the worst of them like the roman catholics.

> But beyond that limited point, you are supposed to take things on faith...

Not with the best of the protestant sects.

> or you are an heretic.

Its much more complicated than that too. There are plenty in
the anglican/episcopalian church that don’t even believe that
that fool that was stupid enough to get nailed up by the romans
actually ever returned from the dead etc, let alone virgin birth
and they arent considered heretics.

> The Holy Bible trys to explain things where people can understand, but if
> there are still questions in your mind... you're supposed to take it on
> faith.

That varys with the sect too.

> Why *not* just say "take it *all* on faith"???

Because few are that mindless, particularly when their
little kid has just been run over by the school bus etc.

[Patrick Scheible]

"Charlie Gibbs" <cgi...@kltpzyxm.invalid> writes:

> In article <jp326r$6hu$1...@dont-email.me>, nume...@aquaporin4.com
> (Charles Richmond) writes:
>
>> "Peter Flass" <Peter...@Yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:jotkam$4jl$1...@dont-email.me...
>>
>>> On 5/14/2012 10:01 PM, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>>
>>>> In article<140520122342319328%nos...@yrl.co.uk>, nos...@yrl.co.uk
>>>> (Elliott Roper) writes:
>>>>
>>>>> In article<1IednZDpT7VgOC3S...@earthlink.com>,
>>>>> William Hamblen<william...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Outside the theater after the Cameron Titanic you got examples
>>>>>> of the differences between men and women. The women: "Oh, Kate!
>>>>>> Oh, Leo!" The men: "What a boat!"
>>>>>
>>>>> The geeks: "How many alphas to render the effects?"
>>>>
>>>> Old geeks like me drool over the beautiful big steam cylinders
>>>> in the engine room. So smooth, so silent, so... _analog_.
>>>
>>> Yes, none of this newfangled electronics. That was *real*
>>> technology!
>>
>> And what did this *real* technology buy them??? A reservation in
>> Davy Jones' locker. (No, *not* the Davy Jones with the Monkees!!!)
>
> The Exxon Valdez didn't do too well even with all the newfangled
> electronics. The underlying human factors were quite similar in
> both cases.

I don't think they're all that similar. The Titanic would get a lot of
prestige for setting a record for the fastest crossing; nobody cared
much if the Exxon Valdez shaved a few hours off its trip. The Titanic's
captain suffered from Edwardian confidence in technology; Exxon knew
they were taking a chance. The Titanic's crew was excellent and rested
and ( aside from trying to set the crossing record) was doing a good
job; the Exxon Valdez did not have enough crew; their crew was working
12-14 hour shifts and did not have a long rest in port.

-- Patrick

[Andy Champ]

On 17/05/2012 15:32, Charles Richmond wrote:
> The turbine engines on subsequent ships let them develop much greater
> speeds.

ISTR Titanic had a turbine as the last stage after the pistons.

Andy

[Nick Spalding]

Andy Champ wrote, in <46CdneyV0-aIxyjS...@eclipse.net.uk>
on Thu, 17 May 2012 21:05:41 +0100:

Yes on the centre shaft.
--
Nick Spalding

[Charles Richmond]

"Patrick Scheible" <k...@zipcon.net> wrote in message
news:86k40a7...@zipcon.net...
>
> [snip...] [snip...]
> [snip...]

>
> I don't think they're all that similar. The Titanic would get a lot of
> prestige for setting a record for the fastest crossing; nobody cared
> much if the Exxon Valdez shaved a few hours off its trip. The Titanic's
> captain suffered from Edwardian confidence in technology; Exxon knew
> they were taking a chance. The Titanic's crew was excellent and rested
> and ( aside from trying to set the crossing record) was doing a good
> job; the Exxon Valdez did not have enough crew; their crew was working
> 12-14 hour shifts and did not have a long rest in port.
>

And I don't think that Captain Smith was *drunk* when the Titanic hit the
iceberg. :-)

[D.J.]

On Wed, 16 May 2012 21:21:49 +0100, Nick Spalding <spal...@iol.ie>
wrote:

>D.J. wrote, in <8n08r7d5bffbcae1t...@4ax.com>
> on Wed, 16 May 2012 14:42:16 -0500:
>
>>On 16 May 2012 08:00:00 GMT, maus <grey...@mail.com> wrote:

>>>On 2012-05-15, D.J <pongb...@cableone.net> wrote:

>>>> On 15 May 2012 14:12:07 GMT, jmfbahciv <See....@aol.com> wrote:
>>>>>Patrick Scheible wrote:

>>>>>> jmfbahciv <See....@aol.com> writes:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> God gave us brains, but it's a sin to use them?
>>>>>
>>>>>It is if one questions things which are contrary to
>>>>>their teachings.
>>>>

>>>> I don't know the guy's exact religion, other than Protestant, but he
>>>> got upset when I pointed out that the 'Earth is the center of the
>>>> universe' is not ni the Christian Bible, but something frmo a pagan
>>>> Greek philosopher. He also got upset when I pointed out the Earth
>>>> isn't flat, nor held up by turtles. Which are also not Christian
>>>> beliefs.

>>>> .
>>>> JimP.

>>>
>>>My sole knowledge of Baptists is once in the US with my wife, RC,
>>>very religious lady, Sunday, no chapel within reach, so we went
>>>to a Baptist religious service and stood at the door and listened.
>>>A good memory. (There are Baptists here, a church fairly near,
>>>Non-Baptist people go on tours with them to the Holy places, but
>>> they seem to be different than described in the US)
>>>

>>>I maay be wrong here, but regarding the `Earth as the center of the
>>>Universe', thing, since relativity, with knowledge that all
>>>the Universe is moving, one could use the concept of the Earth as center.
>>
>>It doesn't matter what reality shows, to those who Believe, reality
>>doesn't change the facts they believe in.
>
>In other words, it ain't reality.

As far as some True Believers concerns, it is us who are not handling
reality.

There is a museum in eastern Tennessee that has a caveman riding a
dinosaur.
.
JimP.
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