Here come the Australians -- send in the clowns!
Mark Summerfield
This is a community service announcement.
As you are no doubt all going to notice the sudden influx of Australian
content in alt.flame, perhaps a few words of explanation are in order.
This may help you to understand the bizarre phenomenon occurring on the
net.
The cast of characters:
munnari.oz.au -- This beast lives at the University of Melbourne, and is
responsible for injecting news from overseas into the Australian Net and
vice-versa.
aus.flame -- An Australian newsgroup, approximately equivalent to
alt.flame, but populated by less wankers and fuckwits. (A fact that
probably has a lot to do with the fact that the distribution of aus.flame
is much smaller)
Friendless, Inspector Gadget, Mike McGaughey, the Rev Dr Phil Skink
(formerly herring, but I guess he died and was reincarnated as a higher
form of life), CHRISTO, and now (it seems) me -- inhabitants of
aus.flame, and a number of other newsgroups (mainly with aus distributions).
The first of these entities has, for some reason, just started to
distribute a large number of new newsgroups to the Australian net
(mainly alt groups). This means the defenceless poulation of Australia
has been suddenly innundated with thousands of articles in groups like
alt.stupidity, alt.fax.bondage, alt.evil, alt.sex.*, alt.rmgroup,
alt.slack, alt.suicide.holiday. Hey -- you guys must be *really* proud
of these ones! It is a fabulous experience for us to be able to bask in
the glory of American freedom of expression! I can't wait to create
alt.fuck.you.all, as is my democratic right!
But, we now also get alt.flame (oh glorious day), so the characters in
the third group, not satisfied with being rude and offensive locally,
have taken the opportunity to be rude and offensive on a world wide
scale. And I'm not sorry -- you probably deserve it. It will probably
educate and enlighten you. It may well improve your lives. You will be
forced to read "colour" spelt with a `u', "encyclopaedia" spelt with an
`ae', and "grey" spelt with an `e'. Hahahahaha!!!!!!
But, I regret to say, that it appears the above mentioned proponents of
the noble art of flaming the fuck outa anyone and everyone appear to be
forming an aus.clique in alt.flame. They are clearly trying to escalate
the state wars we have had in Aus onto a world scale. IG defending
Friendless, the Rev Doc making up names for him -- this is *not* on. It
is not in the true spirit of flame. People are not favoured or
discriminated against on the basis of creed or colour, but on whether or
not they are incompetent, blithering, mindless, crapulent, fuckwitted,
brain-dead, toadying, half-arsed (oops -- half-assed), feotid piles of
excrement lying on the footpaths (sorry -- sidewalks) of humanity.
So there.
Mark, who's going to join the other Aus flamers in ending his postings
with one of these stupid "who's...." written in the third person.
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ACS/AARNet[Internet]: m.summ...@trl.oz[.au] | notice me less if
Snail: PO Box 249, Clayton, Vic., 3168 | I wasn't here!
tj...@sleepy.bmd.trw.com
In article <16...@trlluna.trl.oz>, sum...@shiva.trl.oz (Mark Summerfield) writes:
> Hello people.
>
> This is a community service announcement.
>
> As you are no doubt all going to notice the sudden influx of Australian
> content in alt.flame, perhaps a few words of explanation are in order.
reads should read
----- -----------
>
wankers j.o. artists
fuckwits PSU cretins
defenceless come on, spell it right....
> has been suddenly innundated with thousands of articles in groups like
> alt.stupidity, alt.fax.bondage, alt.evil, alt.sex.*, alt.rmgroup,
> alt.slack, alt.suicide.holiday. Hey -- you guys must be *really* proud
> of these ones! It is a fabulous experience for us to be able to bask in
> the glory of American freedom of expression! I can't wait to create
> alt.fuck.you.all, as is my democratic right!
>
[ deleted drivel concerning spelling and the invasion of
the kangaroo mentality ]
Look here, Pal. Before you go puttin' another shrimp on the Bar-b,
you're gonna have to realize something. We didn't ask for your kind
to get on the net. If you don't like the American way, the way we
speak, spell, express ourselves, or pursue our sexual proclivities,
then why don't you just take a hike to the outback and find a nice
warm pouch to crawl into. And on top of it all, we use WEBSTER's
here, not the blasted OED. I mean, shit, you guys are still hanging
on to the old colonial ways, I guess. Haven't you all got balls
enough to kick the British ways and find your own path? WE SURE
AS HELL DID!
[ "Austrailian Rules" football, for gods sake. This is the 20th
century. You ever SEE the NFL? ]
:-)
=Tim=
tj...@sleepy.bmd.trw.com
Ninety percent of life is just showing up.
Inspector Gadget
>
>In article <16...@trlluna.trl.oz>, sum...@shiva.trl.oz (Mark Summerfield) writes:
>> Hello people.
> Look here, Pal. Before you go puttin' another shrimp on the Bar-b,
> you're gonna have to realize something. We didn't ask for your kind
> to get on the net.
Yeah, we were told. The patient is always the last the admit to their
need of treatment. But now we're here you'll just have to open wide
(which you do so well) and say "ahhhhh" (which would be an improvement)
while we try and figure out your problems. Some preliminary reports
have already been posted, if you've been watching.
> [...] And on top of it all, we use WEBSTER's
> here, not the blasted OED.
Must agree with you there. I rather prefer the non-blasted OED actually,
makes finding the pages so much easier.
[...]
> [ "Austrailian Rules" football, for gods sake. This is the 20th
> century. You ever SEE the NFL? ]
Yeah, a bunch on nancy boys prancing around in oversized pads because
they're too afraid of getting their make-up smeared during the gang-bangs.
I tend to go to sleep in those breaks when the players have to be reminded
what to do next. Very tedious.
> Ninety percent of life is just showing up.
Well, we're here now. Do you feel any better?
IG
--
I am, therefore I flame.
Eric Olson
They are coming up with some weird names down there these days, aren't
they?
>In article <508.26...@sleepy.bmd.trw.com> tj...@sleepy.bmd.trw.com writes:
>>
>>In article <16...@trlluna.trl.oz>, sum...@shiva.trl.oz (Mark Summerfield) writes:
>> Look here, Pal. Before you go puttin' another shrimp on the Bar-b,
>> you're gonna have to realize something. We didn't ask for your kind
>> to get on the net.
> The patient is always the last the admit to their
HOW many Romans?
>> [...] And on top of it all, we use WEBSTER's
>> here, not the blasted OED.
>Must agree with you there. I rather prefer the non-blasted OED actually,
>makes finding the pages so much easier.
Ho ho ho. Aussie humor at its finest.
> [...]
>> [ "Austrailian Rules" football, for gods sake. This is the 20th
>> century. You ever SEE the NFL? ]
>Yeah, a bunch on nancy boys prancing around in oversized pads because
>they're too afraid of getting their make-up smeared during the gang-bangs.
>I tend to go to sleep in those breaks when the players have to be reminded
>what to do next. Very tedious.
Try not watching it. Very creative.
>> Ninety percent of life is just showing up.
>Well, we're here now. Do you feel any better?
Bleah.
>--
>I am, therefore I flame.
Not very well, fortunately for the rest of the world.
--
Eric the half-a-bee [e...@hayes.fai.alaska.edu]
I'm not left-handed either.
j.freedman
> you're gonna have to realize something. We didn't ask for your kind
> to get on the net. If you don't like the American way, the way we
> speak, spell, express ourselves, or pursue our sexual proclivities,
> then why don't you just take a hike to the outback and find a nice
> warm pouch to crawl into. And on top of it all, we use WEBSTER's
> here, not the blasted OED. I mean, shit, you guys are still hanging
> on to the old colonial ways, I guess. Haven't you all got balls
> enough to kick the British ways and find your own path? WE SURE
> AS HELL DID!
I see the point! The Amercan way. The one and only true path to
happiness.
You use Webster's so we should use Webster's.
You spell things differently so we should at once adopt all your
conventions.
And then we can adopt your other symbols of rebellion against the
British. Like telling the unions to fuck off.
And then we would have approximately the same number of starving,
forcefully underprivileged people as you do.
And then we could all become readers of "World Weekly News" and
sympathised with poor old Ed Anger who's frightened of gettings his guns
taken away from him.
And then we could have approximately the same proportion of homicidal
maniacs as you do.
We could proudly proclaim - "At last, we have achieved the american way.
At last we are free. We can say anything we wish as long as we don't
mind getting shot for it."
My, my, just think, we could be an object of international hate as well.
I can't wait.
Fred.
--
"Quick, Robin, hand me the shark repellant batspray"
Brent Curtis
>
> Look here, Pal. Before you go puttin' another shrimp on the Bar-b,
Time to put another american on the barbie...
> We didn't ask for your kind
> to get on the net.
Tough shit. We didn't ask for tjarc, either, but look what appears on our
screens.
> If you don't like the American way, the way we
> speak, spell, express ourselves, or pursue our sexual proclivities,
Then we can fucking well flame you...
Wan't to argue about it?
> [ "Austrailian Rules" football, for gods sake. This is the 20th
> century. You ever SEE the NFL? ]
I actually tuned in to see the 'super bowl' live on tv. I guess there
was some football played somewhere amongst the three and a half hour
telecast - it was a bit hard to tell with all the breaks.
Brent.
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"Can't help myself, | Brent Curtis
I fuck rabbits. | Computer Science
Those little white tails, | University of NSW
Drive me wild." | New South Wales
Trashy
(Brent Curtis) writes:
]tj...@sleepy.bmd.trw.com writes:
]>
]> Look here, Pal. Before you go puttin' another shrimp on the Bar-b,
]
]Time to put another american on the barbie...
I meant to ask you guys how you shrink the heads.
]> We didn't ask for your kind
]> to get on the net.
]
]Tough shit. We didn't ask for tjarc, either, but look what appears on our
]screens.
Semen?
Lanolin?
Semen and lanolin together?
]> If you don't like the American way, the way we
]> speak, spell, express ourselves, or pursue our sexual proclivities,
]
]Then we can fucking well flame you...
]Wan't to argue about it?
Well _I_ do not wa not to.
]> [ "Australian Rules" football, for gods sake. This is the 20th
]> century. You ever SEE the NFL? ]
]
]I actually tuned in to see the 'super bowl' live on tv. I guess there
]was some football played somewhere amongst the three and a half hour
]telecast - it was a bit hard to tell with all the breaks.
But you watched it, right?
Thought so.
--
Barry Schwartz b...@hankel.rutgers.edu
(When I am in Canada, try {...rutgers}!utai!lsuc!nrcaer!alzabo!trashman)
tj...@sleepy.bmd.trw.com
>> If you don't like the American way, the way we
>> speak, spell, express ourselves, or pursue our sexual proclivities,
>
> Then we can fucking well flame you...
> Wan't to argue about it?
Go shit in a ditch.
>
>> [ "Austrailian Rules" football, for gods sake. This is the 20th
>> century. You ever SEE the NFL? ]
>
> I actually tuned in to see the 'super bowl' live on tv. I guess there
> was some football played somewhere amongst the three and a half hour
> telecast - it was a bit hard to tell with all the breaks.
>
Suprisingly sensible comment!
=Tim=
Allen Gwinn
[to our Australian buddies:]
> Go shit in a ditch.
SHHH! Tim, you asshole, you really want them to quit shitting all over
themselves?
--
Allen Gwinn sulaco!allen DISCLAIMER: The opinions, if any, are my own.
"Damned right! I am not hateful, nor am I a bigot or a racist."
-Theodore A. Kaldis
Tom Maddox
A few words on the Australian Situation:
The first and most important thing to note is that these fuckers
should not be flamed in anti-Australian terms; in fact, doing so just confirms
them in their imbecility. The point that they appear unable to grasp is quite
simple: flaming someone for being a member of an extremely large & diverse
group (a race or nationality, for instance) is both extremely stupid and
genuinely offensive in a way seldom seen on the net (exceptions such as Kaldis
being notable for the virtually unanimous derision they incur). It is also
extremely unimaginative and would rank as the cheapest of cheap shots even if
it weren't otherwise loathsome.
Next, it seems almost certainly true that these people are part of
some horrid experiment involving the introduction of an absurd and stupid group
onto the net. Otherwise, why don't these people have either names or something
to say?
Or perhaps the "Christo" (or "CHRISTO," or whatever it is)
pseudonym is a tip-off: i.e., they're all part of a combined social
science and conceptual art project (a rare and pure evil, if so). While this
would account for their behavior, it seems unlikely.
It is also possible that due to an ugly concatenation of circumstances,
these blithering idiots ("oh you yanks are awful," "lala, your flames weren't
bad at all and didn't hurt me") are the only people in Australia with access
to the net. Again, this seems unlikely, but no more so than their postings.
In short, we are dealing with a strange phenomenon which should not be
attributed to Australia or Australians as such, but which must be the product
of some ugly scheme or unpleasant manifestation of random circumstance.
So flame these imbeciles to the bone--they deserve it--but pay
attention to the individual idiocies they manifest and flame those. Don't
blame Australia; it couldn't possibly be like *that*.
[Assistance for the net.impaired: I'm not at the University of Washington or
Alaska either, for that matter; I'm also not at Nova University in Florida,
another account I sometimes use. This is puzzling to the very stupid, but so
is the world--learn to live with it.]
Jonathan D.
> > And on top of it all, we use WEBSTER's
> > here, not the blasted OED.
> You use Webster's so we should use Webster's.
Well, maybe he does. English departments have more trust in the
OED, or so I've been told.
john baez
>> Haven't you all got balls
>> enough to kick the British ways and find your own path? WE SURE
>> AS HELL DID!
>I see the point! The Amercan way. The one and only true path to
>happiness.
>You use Webster's so we should use Webster's.
Hmm. Guess you didn't get the point. He was suggesting
not that the Australians use Websters but that they write
their own dictionary.
Great example of how a festering inferiority complex
works.
Jon Eaves
> A few words on the Australian Situation:
>
> The first and most important thing to note is that these fuckers
> should not be flamed in anti-Australian terms; in fact, doing so just confirms
> them in their imbecility. The point that they appear unable to grasp is quite
> simple: flaming someone for being a member of an extremely large & diverse
> group (a race or nationality, for instance) is both extremely stupid and
> genuinely offensive in a way seldom seen on the net (exceptions such as Kaldis
> being notable for the virtually unanimous derision they incur). It is also
> extremely unimaginative and would rank as the cheapest of cheap shots even if
> it weren't otherwise loathsome.
phrase 'whining marsupial brothers' in alt.cyberpunk
Certainly, Peter da Silva is a marsupial from the above statement, because
YOU would never stoop to be extremely unimaginative, or be that cheap or
loathsome, now would you Tom.
>
> Or perhaps the "Christo" (or "CHRISTO," or whatever it is)
requested as a username.
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Jon Eaves
Disclaimer : I'm a Tasmanian.
ACSnet ( j...@wehi.dn.mu.oz )
UUCP ( uunet!munnari!wehi.dn.mu.oz!jon )
Internet ( jon%wehi.d...@uunet.uu.net )
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Joel B Levin
In article <71...@blake.acs.washington.edu> mad...@blake.acs.washington.edu (Tom Maddox) writes:
| It is also possible that due to an ugly concatenation of circumstances,
|these blithering idiots ("oh you yanks are awful," "lala, your flames weren't
|bad at all and didn't hurt me") are the only people in Australia with access
|to the net. Again, this seems unlikely, but no more so than their postings.
More than unlikely, it is decidedly not the case. A number of
Australians and New Zealanders have been posting useful contributions
to the comp.sys.mac.* groups for several years.
On the other hand traffic here for the past week has proved
conclusively (by the nappie-load) that even down-under is not exempt
from having its share of blithering idiots.
=
Nets: le...@bbn.com | "I studied the tabletop. It had a nice mosaic
or {...}!bbn!levin | pattern of black against green.
POTS: (617)873-3463 | "'Well,' I said after a time. 'That really
| sucks.'" --SKZB
tj...@sleepy.bmd.trw.com
>> And on top of it all, we use WEBSTER's
>> here, not the blasted OED. I mean, shit, you guys are still hanging
>> on to the old colonial ways, I guess. Haven't you all got balls
>> enough to kick the British ways and find your own path? WE SURE
>> AS HELL DID!
>
> I see the point! The Amercan way. The one and only true path to
> happiness.
>
> You use Webster's so we should use Webster's.
>
Yes!
> You spell things differently so we should at once adopt all your
> conventions.
Another blow for uniformity.
> And then we can adopt your other symbols of rebellion against the
> British. Like telling the unions to fuck off.
>
Precisely.
> And then we would have approximately the same number of starving,
> forcefully underprivileged people as you do.
>
And get them to pay taxes, too.
> And then we could all become readers of "World Weekly News" and
> sympathised with poor old Ed Anger who's frightened of gettings his guns
> taken away from him.
>
A man has to provide for his family somehow!
> And then we could have approximately the same proportion of homicidal
> maniacs as you do.
>
Think of it as population control.
> We could proudly proclaim - "At last, we have achieved the american way.
> At last we are free. We can say anything we wish as long as we don't
> mind getting shot for it."
Ah, that's the American way (capital A please).
>
> My, my, just think, we could be an object of international hate as well.
>
International envy too!
> I can't wait.
>
Fred, my man. For an Aussie you sound like a pretty perceptive
guy. You don't have to wait. Adopt these standards now and your
ulsers will start to go away. You see, if the whole world thought
the way we Americans do, then you wouldn't have all the shit going
on in Ireland, the Middle East, on and on. Everyone would be into
making money, taxing the shit out of the middle class and poor, and
thinking of ways of spicing up the next drive-by shooting.
Really, Fred. You're on the right track. Trust me not to tell
your "oz" buddies about your confidences.
=Tim=
tj...@sleepy.bmd.trw.com
:-)
Tom Maddox
>In article <71...@blake.acs.washington.edu>, mad...@blake.acs.washington.edu (Tom Maddox) writes:
>> A few words on the Australian Situation:
>>
>> The first and most important thing to note is that these fuckers
>> should not be flamed in anti-Australian terms; in fact, doing so just confirms
>> them in their imbecility.
>Ah yes, wise words from Tom Maddox, the man who single-handedly coined the
>phrase 'whining marsupial brothers' in alt.cyberpunk
Actually, asshole, Peter da Silva first applied the phrase to him and
the not-lately-heard from-and-certainly-unlamented Merel.
>Certainly, Peter da Silva is a marsupial from the above statement,
Love your writing style.
>because
>YOU would never stoop to be extremely unimaginative, or be that cheap or
>loathsome, now would you Tom.
Listen carefully (and get someone with a brain to explain the hard
parts to you): I referred to Peter duh and Merel as marsupials, but the term
has *no* racist, nationalist, sexist, ageist, heightist or any other -ist
denotations or connotations that I am aware of. Nor did I intend any.
Oh yes, Peter duh himself absolved me of any racist intent in this
regard, despite Merel`s despicable and feeble attempts to label my use of
the term as such.
In short, fuck you, Jack, and the horse you rode in on. You`ve got
the whole thing wrong from beginning to end, which I imagine is your usual
experience with anything more complicated than your daily wank.
> Jon Eaves
> Disclaimer : I'm a Tasmanian.
And a feeb, a geek, and a swine, *all* independently of being a
Tasmanian.
Rev Phil Skinque, DD (Ret.)
ri...@hayes.fai.alaska.edu (Patricia O Tuama) writes:
>PSU and OZ, they're both
>snuggled happily together along with Kaldis and Vajk in my kill-
>file for insipid netters who have never had anything interesting
>or insightful to say.
Wow! *Two* people with '.oz' in their killfiles! We're winning!
-- Phil.
Brent Curtis
>
>Hmm. Guess you didn't get the point. He was suggesting
>not that the Australians use Websters but that they write
>their own dictionary.
There is one in existence which sells very well. The only thing is
that when discussing English it can make sense to use an English
dictionary.
>
>Great example of how a festering inferiority complex
>works.
What is? The US 'kicking' out British influence?
Mark Miller
|>The average Australian has built up a reservior of pure hatred against
|>the American society and the influence it has over their lives, from the
|>threat of nuclear war to the media, the power of the CIA and the capitalist
|>ethic (that it doesn't matter who it hurts, just so long as it makes money).
You're doing wonders for your tourism industry.
Believe it or not, there actually are some of us horrid 2-car-garage-
flamingos-in-the-font-lawn Amurkins who aren't altogether thrilled by
what's happening here from sea to slimy sea. You think we ALL watch
the fucking Cosby show? You think we ALL like paying gawdawful taxes to
build more dumbass missiles? How would YOU lot feel with Dan Quayle as
the second in command?
There are a few things you mention which need some correction. I don't
think the CIA is as powerful as it used to was. Their recent track
record isn't exactly stellar. As far as massive capitalistic greed and
what not, you Awzees need only look north a few thousand miles to
see a far better example than us.
|> I don't hate each
|>american personally ...
And why the fuck not? No one wants to feel left out!
-MSM
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Mark S. Miller "Different "In a nation ruled by swine,
UUCP: msmi...@Sun.COM things all pigs are upward mobile."
GEnie/AOL: MSMILLER vary" - Hunter S. Thompson
Mark Smith
> Whilst capitalistic greed has the world in it's grip, then there is no
> hope for the environment...
Not to worry. If you can't take any more of that capitalistic greed,
there are lots of free apartments around Chernobyl. Furnished, too.
Shame about the size of the rats, though.
BTW, are you the Kate who was supposed to "cut a swathe through
these bald eagles"? I want my money back.
====================================================================
Mark Smith Canon Research Centre Europe
sm...@canon.co.uk 19 Frederick Sanger Road
..ukc!uos-ee!canon!smith Guildford Surrey UK
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"We always planned to ease ourselves into pure research anyway..."
-- David Cronenberg, _Dead Ringers_
jlk...@csc.anu.oz
A few words on the American Situation:
>
> The point that they appear unable to grasp is quite
> simple: flaming someone for being a member of an extremely large & diverse
> group (a race or nationality, for instance) is both extremely stupid and
> genuinely offensive in a way seldom seen on the net...
People are influenced to a huge extent by their environment. Therefore,
it is valid to generalise about a group of people who all grew up in the
same sort of environment, though obviously not to each individual.
The average Australian has built up a reservior of pure hatred against
the American society and the influence it has over their lives, from the
threat of nuclear war to the media, the power of the CIA and the capitalist
ethic (that it doesn't matter who it hurts, just so long as it makes money).
Whilst capitalistic greed has the world in it's grip, then there is no
hope for the environment... I could go on forever. I don't hate each
american personally, just the power that the society wields.
Kate.
Dave Hill
>
> it is valid to generalise about a group of people who all grew up in the
> same sort of environment, though obviously not to each individual.
Pray, tell me how this works. Is it like: "oh I hate Americans, they're
all imperialistic war mongering capitalistic running dog lackey tools of
the CIA. Oh but not YOU, dear. You're different".
You should run for office.
> The average Australian has built up a reservior of pure hatred against
> the American society and the influence it has over their lives, from the
> threat of nuclear war to the media, the power of the CIA and the capitalist
> ethic (that it doesn't matter who it hurts, just so long as it makes money).
What the fuck are you worried about? We don't have anything targeted
within a 1000 miles of ausland. Don't want to hurt no kangaroos.
And if you want to blame capitalism for the worlds troubles, blame the Brits.
Where do you think the "Puritan Work Ethic" and raw evil nasty capitalism
came from?
> Whilst capitalistic greed has the world in it's grip, then there is no
> hope for the environment... I could go on forever. I don't hate each
> american personally, just the power that the society wields.
Why, every time I read an ausland posting, do I get the feeling that the
"person" that typed it has a wire into the center of their head and strings
through each wrist and every finger?
You want to get out from under the American Media Monster? Throw the
fuckers out. It's your country.
You want to stomp out nasty evil capitalism? Join the Communist Party.
Oops. Sorry, that option doesn't work any more. Looks like you're
shit-out-of-luck.
You want to save the environment? Start with central ausland, where the
irrigation is destroying the landscape faster than the sheep.
Dave
Tom Maddox
>
>People are influenced to a huge extent by their environment. Therefore,
>it is valid to generalise about a group of people who all grew up in the
>same sort of environment,
The term "environment" used here is utter bullshit. I.e., to construe
the United State of America as an "environment" so debases the notion as to
make it worthless.
Consider the young black male growing up in East Oakland, the female of
Japanese ancestry growing up on the big island of Hawaii, the white male
growing up in a small town in Mississippi, the white female growing up in
New York City . . .
Then factor in social class and a host of intangibles such as
individual talent and inclination, the influence of relatives and friends,
and so forth.
Now, what non-vacuous generalizations about "environment" will apply
to all these cases? Very few, I would think, and certainly none of the bull-
shit that you and your fellows have been handing out on alt.flame about
Americans.
>though obviously not to each individual.
What you mean by this is unclear both syntactically and semantically.
Apparently you have the minimal good sense to try to weasel out of an
obviously preposterous claim.
>The average Australian has built up a reservior of pure hatred against
>the American society
Again, I simply refuse to believe that any large group of Australians
is as idiotic as you claim, or as you, for that matter. "The American society"
means nearly as much as "environment" in this context. If you dislike George
Bush's or Ronald Reagan's management of foreign affairs, guess what--so do
many Americans. If you dislike American tv, guess what again.
If you are incapable of responding to the people who post on the net
as individuals, not "Americans," then you (not Australians, but *you*) are a
fuck-brained twit.
>and the influence it has over their lives, from the
>threat of nuclear war to the media, the power of the CIA and the capitalist
>ethic (that it doesn't matter who it hurts, just so long as it makes money).
>Whilst capitalistic greed has the world in it's grip, then there is no
>hope for the environment... I could go on forever. I don't hate each
>american personally, just the power that the society wields.
To blame all these things on "the society" is imbecile; to blame
them on me or any other American poster on the net is worse.
the threat of nuclear war--frightens us far more than you; we are,
after all, the ones targeted most violently;
the media--a vacuous term again; do you mean tv, radio, the newspapers,
magazines, journals, quarterlies? do you mean *all* American manifestations
of same? do you mean only the ones that come to Australia? do you have one
fucking clue what you're talking about?
the power of the CIA--indeed; blame that on *me*. makes a lot of
sense.
the capitalist ethic--of course, we invented that and are the only
practitioners of it, right?
You know, the forthright shitheads like Christo and Friendless
don't pretend they're spreading sweet reason. Poor soft-brained, kindly gits
like you are much more discouraging: you really think the pernicious shit
you're spewing makes sense.
And that's really, really stupid.
Mike McGaughey
> In article <2204.2...@csc.anu.oz>, jlk...@csc.anu.oz writes:
> |>The average Australian has built up a reservior of pure hatred against
> |>the American society and the influence it has over their lives, from the
>
Yeah, well, that reminds me:
You remember when Paul Hogan was promoting tourism to Oz? (is it still
on?). You might be interested to know that at the same time, they ran
an ad here asking us to be nice to American tourists (when you meet
one, say "G'day").
At the time I thought it was purely a marketing exercise - we were
dragging people over here with the promise of experiencing a particular
culture, and the Oz tourism boys didn't want to send y'all home
disappointed. Things like shrimps and barbies were mentioned - first
time I'd heard them in the same sentence. After all, barbies were
invented for steaks, chops and snags, and before that advertisment
started a yuppie trend here, that was their primary application.
Perhaps it was already in vogue in Sydney, I don't know.
Anyway, in the light of Kate's comments, that advertisement could also
have been directed at the yobs who *do* hate the yanks (not that I've
ever met one, despite the accusations that have been flying around
here); perhaps it was a subtle attempt to remind them that tourists
come over here so we can screw money out of them, and we spent a lot of
advertising money to get 'em over here, so they are worth a little
tolerance. I can't actually imagine a bunch of Aussies lining up to
hassle the Amerkin tourists, but I suppose the Tourism Authority wanted
to be safe. After all, _one_ France is quite enough, thanks.
BTW: I don't agree with all Kate's comments - Bruce average _can_
distinguish between Americans and the American Govt; most everyone gets
annoyed at American political expedience, but few will get annoyed at
the people themselves. One of the attitudes commonly found around here
is a certain mistrust of authority (historically, it's significant; I
believe it's dying out now). Bruce average is therefore more likely to
pin the blame on your Govt. than on you personally. This is, of
course, squarely where it belongs (except that you tolerate it, but,
hey, that's a subject for yet another flamefest).
As usual, opinions are my own and probably describe me better than
they do Bruce Average.
Mike, who doesn't give a shit about the tourism industry.
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Mike McGaughey ACSNET: mm...@bruce.cs.monash.oz
"Intolerance: Insecurity on Steroids." - Damian Conway.