A 300 word language?
Mark Vieselmeyer
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: The Vocabularies of Science
: by L. Ron Hubbard
: [ ... ]
: when a Japanese
: comes up to you and says, "Do you want a cup of tea?" you don't
: immediately get up because you thought he said, "Wet Paint."
Absolutely brilliant.
: [ ... ]
: I remember one time learning Igoroti, an Eastern primitive
: language... the Igoroti had a very simple language... three hundred
: words... And the next day I... was speaking Igoroti in a very short
: time.
Scientologists actually believe this stuff?? I think I understand how
clearing works, now. You just find someone with an empty head, and
the rest is a piece of cake.
But how can anyone be so "clear" as to believe a language only has
three hundred words? There are gorillas with larger vocabularies
than that. Of course Koko's smarter than the average Scientologist,
but still...
- mark
Avoid normal situations.
: wenge...@ccsua.ctstateu.edu wrote:
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: : for permission to reproduce selections from the copyrighted works
: : of L. Ron Hubbard.
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: [ Reproduced again, without Elron's permission ]
: : The Vocabularies of Science
: : by L. Ron Hubbard
: : [ ... ]
: : when a Japanese
: : comes up to you and says, "Do you want a cup of tea?" you don't
: : immediately get up because you thought he said, "Wet Paint."
: Absolutely brilliant.
: : [ ... ]
: : I remember one time learning Igoroti, an Eastern primitive
: : language... the Igoroti had a very simple language... three hundred
: : words... And the next day I... was speaking Igoroti in a very short
: : time.
: Scientologists actually believe this stuff??
It's really not so anomalous. If you run a cult, you simply get a
handle on the techniques of manipulating people into mass behavior before
said people *realize* that that's what they're doing. Cattle are pretty
easy to prod along, and since we H. sapienses are socialized to behave in
that sort of way from really early on in life (e.g. remember the
zillions of times you had to recite the Pledge of Allegiance in
elementary school), it's not such a big leap from normal human behavior.
Moreover, you may reflect that the human dialectic has not advanced
through who has the strongest argument, but through who's had the best
verbal skills. History is *full* of people who shaped many other people's
lives thanks to what great bullies they were (take Otto von Bismarck,
f'r instance). All you need are a few good men to b.s. the marks into
submission, and -- ta da!!! -- you've got a flock! It also helps that
people will do the most ridiculous things before they'll admit that
they're wrong about something about which they feel strongly... and
the beauty of it is that the longer they believe Belief X, the stronger
they hold onto it, and the louder they scream when it's refuted.
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Kirk Holland Vestal
3 to 5 times larger than Spanish. At one time I knew more specific
numbers on these languages. I have learned Guarani, which has a
vocabulary of about 5,000 words, and Nivacle, which has only some 3,000
words. Jopara, another South American dialect, has even less.
In the case of Guarani, in place of verbs and adjectives morphemes are
added as pre- or suffixes, elimanating many words. It also does not use
articles and almost no prepositions. The word for "blue" and "green" are
the same word: "hovy~". In Nivacle, they use the same word for "green"
and "yellow." On the other extreme, Castillian commonly distinguishes
"light blue" and "blue" as seperate basic colours.
Many "primitive" tongues have a basic unique vocabulary, and have adopted
another tongue to fill in the gaps. Thus, a basic dinstinctive
vocabulary and grammar is supplemented by a colonising tongue, often
English, Spanish, or French, or others.
Jopora combines Guarani words and grammar with Spanish. Most of the
language is Spanish, but the very small amount of guarani-isms in it
makes it virtually indecipherable and incomprehensible for Spanish speakers.
Bob Haushalter
> It's really not so anomalous. If you run a cult, you simply get a
>handle on the techniques of manipulating people into mass behavior before
>said people *realize* that that's what they're doing.
What's the difference between a cult and a religion? I think once the
organization obtains enough money, it changes from a cult to a religion.
Don't the Boy Scouts and the Army fall within your definition?
>Cattle are pretty
>easy to prod along, and since we H. sapienses are socialized to behave in
>that sort of way from really early on in life (e.g. remember the
>zillions of times you had to recite the Pledge of Allegiance in
>elementary school), it's not such a big leap from normal human behavior.
As an interesting aside, it's a little known fact nowadays that the
phrase "under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance was only added in during
the McCarthy era of the 50's.
>Moreover, you may reflect that the human dialectic has not advanced
>through who has the strongest argument, but through who's had the best
>verbal skills. History is *full* of people who shaped many other people's
>lives thanks to what great bullies they were (take Otto von Bismarck,
>f'r instance). All you need are a few good men to b.s. the marks into
>submission, and -- ta da!!! -- you've got a flock!
That's easy for a John
Bircher like you to say..
>It also helps that
>people will do the most ridiculous things before they'll admit that
>they're wrong about something about which they feel strongly... and
>the beauty of it is that the longer they believe Belief X, the stronger
>they hold onto it, and the louder they scream when it's refuted.
Like your fallacious beliefs that you're:
(a) funny
(b) intelligent
The fact is that no one really gives a rat's ass what you have to say.
>The Stainless Steel Moviegoer
The Tarnished Tellurium Touch-hole Tonguer
john baez
>Something wrong with a 300 word language? English has a vocabulary some
>3 to 5 times larger than Spanish. At one time I knew more specific
>numbers on these languages. I have learned Guarani, which has a
>vocabulary of about 5,000 words, and Nivacle, which has only some 3,000
>words. Jopara, another South American dialect, has even less.
What a showoff!! These linguists who learn hundreds of languages and
can't think of anything to say in any of them except "I know Guarani and
Jopara" really bug me, especially because I grew up speaking Guarani and
picked up Jopara and Nivacle as a kid when I was working at the Burger
King down in Corona. I've learned languages with even FEWER words,
buster; for example, last weekend I learned Zoermoentp, which has only
42 words, and ten minutes ago I learned Asieonieizi, which only has one
word, Asieoniezi (the name of the language).
Jay C. Jachimiak
> buster; for example, last weekend I learned Zoermoentp, which has only
> 42 words, and ten minutes ago I learned Asieonieizi, which only has one
> word, Asieoniezi (the name of the language).
I'm very glad to hear that, because Asieoniezi is my first lanquage. My
parents still speak Asieoniezi at home, but no one else I know can speak
it. Most who try are confused about precisely how to use the one word.
Since you can speak it, let's continue this in Asieoniezi:
Asieoniezi asieoniezi asieoniezi. Asieoniezi, asieoniezi-asieoniezi
asieoniezi, asieoniezi asieoniezi asieoniezi; asieoniezi. Asieoniezi?
Asieoniezi asieoniezi asieoniezi asieoniezi asieoniezi asieoniezi
asieoniezi asieoniezi asieoniezi asieoniezi asieoniezi, asieoniezi
asieoniezi John, asieoniezi asieoniezi. asieoniezi:
1. asieoniezi
2. asieoniezi
3. asieoniezi
4. asieoniezi
5. asieoniezi
Asieoniezi asieoniezi? Asieoniezi asieoniezi asieoniezi.
-Jay
jay...@panix.com in NYC
Craig Dickson
= In article <skypilot...@netcom.com>,
= Kirk Holland Vestal <skyp...@netcom.com> wrote:
=
= $Let me guess: you are a white, protestant, male teenager, right?
= $Everybody else thinks, acts, and has the same education and experience
= $as you, right? Anybody who differs from you is inferior and deserves
= $your own righteous abuse?
=
= AAAA. AAA. AAAA.
No fair using acronyms in a language that has only one word!
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Kirk Holland Vestal
There are very few speakers of Guarani. It is spoken in Paraguay, where
I served in the Paraguayn Army, married a Paraguayn and fathered some
mini-Paraguyans. Nivacle is spoken in Paraguay and some northern parts
of Argentina near the Bolivian border.
Joporaalso is from mostly Paraguay.
john baez (ba...@guitar.ucr.edu) wrote:
john baez
>Let me guess: you are a white, protestant, male teenager, right?
You got about 1.5 out of 4; I can never remember if I'm "white" or
"Hispanic".
>Everybody else thinks, acts, and has the same education and experience
>as you, right? Anybody who differs from you is inferior and deserves
>your own righteous abuse?
Only if their giant "H" is smaller than mine. Say, do you read
alt.religion.kibology a lot? It's probably good to do so before posting
to it as you just did.
>There are very few speakers of Guarani. It is spoken in Paraguay, where
>I served in the Paraguayn Army, married a Paraguayn and fathered some
>mini-Paraguyans. Nivacle is spoken in Paraguay and some northern parts
>of Argentina near the Bolivian border.
>Joporaalso is from mostly Paraguay.
Interesting stuff, actually. I seem to have heard of Guarani for some
reason; I wonder how I would have.
james dolan
Kirk Holland Vestal <skyp...@netcom.com> wrote:
$Let me guess: you are a white, protestant, male teenager, right?
$Everybody else thinks, acts, and has the same education and experience
$as you, right? Anybody who differs from you is inferior and deserves
$your own righteous abuse?
AAAA. AAA. AAAA.
Craig Dickson
= I seem to have heard of Guarani for some reason; I wonder how I would have.
Maybe you're thinking of Lani Guinier or Rudolph Guiliani.
james dolan
>No fair using acronyms in a language that has only one word!
sorry, i thought i heard kibo say sil.
David DeLaney
>In article <2s53gs$2...@pandora.sdsu.edu> masc...@ucssun1.sdsu.edu writes:
>> It's really not so anomalous. If you run a cult, you simply get a
>>handle on the techniques of manipulating people into mass behavior before
>>said people *realize* that that's what they're doing.
>
>What's the difference between a cult and a religion? I think once the
>organization obtains enough money, it changes from a cult to a religion.
>
>Don't the Boy Scouts and the Army fall within your definition?
>
Dave "Hmmm; so does the Mafia" DeLaney
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Bill Newcomb
->jdo...@ucrmath.ucr.edu (james dolan) writes:
->= AAAA. AAA. AAAA.
->
->No fair using acronyms in a language that has only one word!
Unless the alphabet for that language only has one letter, then it
isn't an acronym, is it? An abbreviation, perhaps; it seems that if
the abbreviations were used enough they would become words rather rapidly
in said language (like radar) since a one-word language would be
starved for more variety (I don't mean this as any kind of a slight to
native speakers, just MHO). Speakers of english make up words all the
time when they can't find quite the appropriate fakrewna of meaning,
and as Andrew' Beckwith, has shown; punctuation is, just, as:mutable/.
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dkir...@csupomona.edu
> c...@netcom.com (Craig Dickson) writes
> ->jdo...@ucrmath.ucr.edu (james dolan) writes:
> ->= AAAA. AAA. AAAA.
> ->
> ->No fair using acronyms in a language that has only one word!
>
> Unless the alphabet for that language only has one letter, then it
> isn't an acronym, is it? An abbreviation, perhaps; it seems that if
> the abbreviations were used enough they would become words rather rapidly
> in said language (like radar) since a one-word language would be
> starved for more variety (I don't mean this as any kind of a slight to
> native speakers, just MHO). Speakers of english make up words all the
> time when they can't find quite the appropriate fakrewna of meaning,
> and as Andrew' Beckwith, has shown; punctuation is, just, as:mutable/.
and that's the real beauty of Asieoniezi....in it you can make up word's
for thoughts, concepts, ideas, even feelings. For example, right now I'm
feeling so asieoniezi!!!! See how it works? And any word in english could
certainly be translated into Asieoniezi. Take for example, "hypoallergenic".
In any other language, this could be a real catastrophy to translate, but
in Asienoiezi, it's a simply as "asieoniezi, asieoniezi". See?
good luck with all of your future asieoniezi!
p.s. you were just trolling on that part about asieoniezi having more
than one letter, weren't you? yeah, I thought so.
d'ibo
David DeLaney
>and that's the real beauty of Asieoniezi....in it you can make up word's
>for thoughts, concepts, ideas, even feelings. For example, right now I'm
>feeling so asieoniezi!!!! See how it works? And any word in english could
>certainly be translated into Asieoniezi. Take for example, "hypoallergenic".
>In any other language, this could be a real catastrophy to translate, but
>in Asienoiezi, it's a simply as "asieoniezi, asieoniezi". See?
Wait a second, are you *sure* "hypoallergenic" doesn't translate into
"asieoniezi" (or possibly "asieoniezi (asieoniezi): asieoniezi")?
>good luck with all of your future asieoniezi!
>p.s. you were just trolling on that part about asieoniezi having more
> than one letter, weren't you? yeah, I thought so.
Nope, it only has one: (all together now) "ASIEONIEZI". It just looks
different at different places in the word, like that long s in old Englifh
documents that resembles a "g".
>d'ibo
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Temple Casias
: and that's the real beauty of Asieoniezi....in it you can make up word's
: for thoughts, concepts, ideas, even feelings. For example, right now I'm
: feeling so asieoniezi!!!! See how it works? And any word in english could
: certainly be translated into Asieoniezi. Take for example, "hypoallergenic".
: In any other language, this could be a real catastrophy to translate, but
: in Asienoiezi, it's a simply as "asieoniezi, asieoniezi". See?
And a big flying asieoniezi to you for that contribution ;)
T.C.
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DON'T YOU LOVE THE SOUNDS OF A HELPLESS NEWBIE NEGOTIATING HIS WAY
THROUGH THE NUCLEAR HOLOCAUST?
NUCLEAR HUGS AND RADIOACTIVE KISSES,
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james dolan
-dkir...@csupomona.edu writes:
-jdo...@ucrmath.ucr.edu (james dolan) writes:
->= AAAA. AAA. AAAA.
-
-
- DON'T YOU LOVE THE SOUNDS OF A HELPLESS NEWBIE NEGOTIATING HIS WAY
-
- THROUGH THE NUCLEAR HOLOCAUST?
indeed.
dkir...@csupomona.edu
meta-meta-troll. I'm fallllllliiiiiiinnnnnnnnnnggggggggg..........
d'ibo