religion, religion, religion....
Don
"Bill Gates" <hercu...@slaveforlove.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Douglass,
>
> not creation per say but that a religious spirit exists,
> being all life combined.
>
>
Yawn.
Edmond Wollmann
> > Hi Douglass,
Religio- to relink to origin or source. The original meaning of
religion.
These days it is simply the science of following, wherein personal power
is given to an organization or individuals to relinquish responsibility
for one's own introspection and philosophical perspective.
Hence, they (those who are given the power like the Catholics) abuse the
power given them because they are just people, and have similar
powerless beliefs as those they attract.
There is no one truth, except that THE truth is the composition of all
truths.
"Religion is a defense against religious experience." CG Jung
--
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SpÅmster
Edmond Wollmann wrote:
> These days it is simply
Where's my lawsuit, freak?
David J. Vorous
> ....
> There is no one truth, except that THE truth is the composition of all
> truths.
How can that be when some of those "truths" are outright lies,
such as astrology?
--
David J. Vorous
Yosemite Llama Ranch
da...@TheLlamaRanch.com
http://www.TheLlamaRanch.com
UDP for WebTV
Cujo
news:3E1992...@earthlink.net:
> Don wrote:
>
>> In article <YATR9.228$oM1....@nnrp1.ozemail.com.au>
>> "Bill Gates" <hercu...@slaveforlove.com> wrote:
>
>> > Hi Douglass,
>
>> > not creation per say but that a religious spirit exists,
>> > being all life combined.
>
>> Yawn.
>
> Religio- to relink to origin or source. The original meaning of
> religion.
So?
> These days it is simply the science of following, wherein personal
> power is given to an organization or individuals to relinquish
> responsibility for one's own introspection and philosophical
> perspective. Hence, they (those who are given the power like the
> Catholics) abuse the power given them because they are just people,
> and have similar powerless beliefs as those they attract.
Gee, it attracts powerless people? That sure makes you a prime candidate.
Is it still February too?
> There is no one truth, except that THE truth is the composition of all
> truths.
More babble from a proven liar.
--
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el...@no.spam
Cujo <cu...@petitmorte.net> wrote:
>>Religio- to relink to origin or source. The original meaning of
>>religion.
>So?
Looks to me like he's just demonstrating his ability
to plagiarize.
el...@no.spam
>>>There is no one truth, except that THE truth is the composition of all
>>>truths.
>>More babble from a proven liar.
>Acid dreams.
You think? More likely somebody else's acid dreams that
he's ripping off.
Bill Gates
> Edmond Wollmann wrote:
> > ....
> > There is no one truth, except that THE truth is the composition of all
> > truths.
>
> How can that be when some of those "truths" are outright lies,
> such as astrology?
any astrology is spot on for me, but I'm Lord.
Herc
www.adamskingdom.com
religio~to relink to source
for science ~ matter, for religion ~ people
very appropriate
NKS
"Bill Gates" <hercu...@slaveforlove.com> wrote:
>
> "David J. Vorous" > wrote
> > Edmond Wollmann wrote:
> > > ....
> > > There is no one truth, except that THE truth is the composition of all
> > > truths.
> >
> > How can that be when some of those "truths" are outright lies,
> > such as astrology?
>
> any astrology is spot on for me, but I'm Lord.
> Herc
> www.
Yawn.
Edmond Wollmann
It is simply not YOUR truth.
I am afraid you are simply uninformed and not really cognizant of the
wonderful and insightful tool astrology can be in understanding the
psyche, when learned properly and studied in depth like any other
subject worthy of intelligent investigation. This may take as much as
8-10 years like other complex paradigms. It is not a belief system or
religion and can be learned by anyone with patience and diligence. It is
operationally obvious once this hurdle is overcome. Since you have no
skill in this complex craft, analyzing it is impossible for you. You
would only be exercising fallacious thinking processes and bias.
If it is possible to visit a local library or bookstore please avail
yourself of some up to date and in depth psychological/astrological
texts. These will allow you to see by true skeptical investigation and
objective analysis the validity of astrology and its co-functioning with
psychology and many other helpful paradigms. If you would like
recommendations to start your interesting and exciting study, I would be
glad to reference some texts for you.
Until then please try to refrain from childish remarks that only allow
yourself to be identified as unintelligent and less than objectively
questioning in the search for truth, and perhaps too quick to make
judgments from prejudice or ignorance. This is not an insult simply an
observation of your behavior. This is simply my best effort to explain
-not to incite. Please have respect for the diverse opinions people
hold, understanding the subject will allow you to dispel this prejudice.
If you have any serious and thoughtful questions based on a real
understanding of either psychology, astrology or metaphysics I would be
more than happy to answer what I can, or assist you in your
understanding in that quest.
Thank you for your maturity in this matter,
Sincerely,
Edmond Wollmann
SpÅmster
Edmond Wollmann wrote:
> It is simply not YOUR truth.
Yeah, the truth is that you're a k00k.
David J. Vorous
> David J. Vorous wrote:
>
>>Edmond Wollmann wrote:
>>
>>>....
>>>There is no one truth, except that THE truth is the composition of all
>>>truths.
>>
>>How can that be when some of those "truths" are outright lies,
>>such as astrology?
>
You don't get to decide your own truth. This "your truth" or
"your reality" is just a bunch of nonsense left over from the
60's.
> I am afraid you are simply uninformed and not really cognizant of the
> wonderful and insightful tool astrology can be ...
Since your astrology is just a religion made up long ago, it
is not a tool for anything but fostering ignorance of real
science. Astrology makes many claims, but offers no proofs.
Nathan Wollmann
> David J. Vorous wrote:
>
>>Edmond Wollmann wrote:
>>
>>>....
>>>There is no one truth, except that THE truth is the composition of all
>>>truths.
>>
>>How can that be when some of those "truths" are outright lies,
>>such as astrology?
>>--
>>David J. Vorous
>>Yosemite Llama Ranch
>>da...@TheLlamaRanch.com
>>http://www.TheLlamaRanch.com
>>
>>UDP for WebTV
>
>
> It is simply not YOUR truth.
>
Here's YOUR truth, scumbag:
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> *X-Wollkook-Quiz: http://www.shore.net/~a/bin/wollmann/quote.cgi
> *X-Powerless-Whiner: http://www.smbtech.com/ed
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> *X-Wollmann-Is-A-Spammer: http://www.rahul.net/falk/quickrefs.html#W
> *X-SDSU-Spankard: http://www.shore.net/~a/wollmann/spank.html
> *X-AAM-Charter:
> http://www.databasix.com/officialcharters/alt/astrology/metapsych/charter
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> *X-Wollmann-Kook-Awards: http://www.lart.com/auk/whiners.html
> *X-Wollman-Sexist-Archive: http://home.earthlink.net/~sigyn/suepiggy/
> *X-Wollkook-The-Stupid: http://www.angelfire.com/ego2/edmowollmann/
> *X-Wollkook-Super-Villain: http://www.astroconsulting.net/
Dr. Rev. Chuck, M.D. P.A.
>
> David J. Vorous wrote:
> >
> > Edmond Wollmann wrote:
> > > ....
> > > There is no one truth, except that THE truth is the composition of all
> > > truths.
> >
> > How can that be when some of those "truths" are outright lies,
> > such as astrology?
> > --
> > David J. Vorous
> > Yosemite Llama Ranch
> > da...@TheLlamaRanch.com
> > http://www.TheLlamaRanch.com
> >
> > UDP for WebTV
>
> It is simply not YOUR truth.
>
> I am afraid you are simply uninformed and not really cognizant of the
> wonderful and insightful tool astrology can be in understanding the
> psyche, when learned properly and studied in depth like any other
> subject worthy of intelligent investigation.
Bah.
Astrology is feelgood dark ages humbug. Claptrap. Nonsense. Balderdash.
Hooey. Crap. Horseshit. Garbage. Compost. Excrement. Spoogecrumbs.
Why is it that the daily forecast never portends ill for its readers?
Could it be the author is worried that poor readership will kill his phony
baloney career?
David J. Vorous
> Edmond Wollmann wrote:
>
>> David J. Vorous wrote:
>>
>>> Edmond Wollmann wrote:
>>>
>>>> ....
>>>> There is no one truth, except that THE truth is the composition of all
>>>> truths.
>>>
>>>
>>> How can that be when some of those "truths" are outright lies,
>>> such as astrology?
>>
>>
>
> Here's YOUR truth, scumbag:
Aw, what's the matter? You can't handle the tough questions so
you have to resort to the ad hominem? Or are you just upset
that the religion of astrology has failed, miserably, every
scientific test presented?
Pedantus
"Dr. Rev. Chuck, M.D. P.A." <cdub@_REMOVETHIS_erols.com> wrote in message
news:3E1B72F0.4AE4@_REMOVETHIS_erols.com...
Hey look, its Adam de Genisis, still naming all the stuff God brings to
him to take care of--(his only assignment, and he slept through the
interesting rib-turns-into-female-"helper" routine..:)
Pedantus
"David J. Vorous" <da...@thellamaranch.com> wrote in message
news:3E1B503C...@thellamaranch.com...
> Nathan Wollmann wrote:
> > Edmond Wollmann wrote:
> >
> >> David J. Vorous wrote:
> >>
> >>> Edmond Wollmann wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> ....
> >>>> There is no one truth, except that THE truth is the composition of
all
> >>>> truths.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> How can that be when some of those "truths" are outright lies,
> >>> such as astrology?
> >>
> >> It is simply not YOUR truth.
> >>
> >
> > Here's YOUR truth, scumbag:
>
> Aw, what's the matter? You can't handle the tough questions so
> you have to resort to the ad hominem? Or are you just upset
> that the religion of astrology has failed, miserably, every
> scientific test presented?
Science passes all the Religion tests.....:)
<Abashed and contrite, Mr. Hinky throws himself upon the mercy of the
court.(...ewwww!)>
Bill Gates
> him to take care of--(his only assignment, and he slept through the
> interesting rib-turns-into-female-"helper" routine..:)
>
For your information last year Arnold Swarzenegger broke his ribs
on a motorcycle accident, and Dudley Moore of Bo Dereks 10 fame
died.
Adam and Eve live on Earth today. Religion offers no proof! I've been
to 20 newsgroups these months offering people to give me a very simple test
I am paranormal. I've been told by James Randi, Oz Skeptics, and
UK Skeptics I have no claim, yet other people can understand it and
have suggested a test :
> > Anyway, what he claims his power is can be tested in public newsgroups,
> > because he seems to be claiming that when *he* posts a message, the
> > first three responses will have a strong correlation between message
> > body and poster name ( name given, not necessarily real name ). So, when
> > Danny matched the names to the responses correctly, it did support
> > *Herc's* claim.
> >
> > So, Herc, do you think a valid test of your claims would be* :
> > a) You post a message to the newsgroup.
> > b) Several people respond to it, through a mediator
> > c) The responses are posted with the names stripped
> > d) The names are posted
> > e) Everyone who wishes to tries to match up the names to the posts
> > f) If a significant number are correct, your claim is validated?
> >
> > *Note that I am not saying this is the best test, or a good idea, I'm
> > just trying to clarify the claim.
Herc
Cleo Taurus
Traffic
"Bill Gates" <hercu...@slaveforlove.com> wrote:
>
> > Hey look, its Adam de Genisis, still naming all the stuff God brings to
> > him to take care of--(his only assignment, and he slept through the
> > interesting rib-turns-into-female-"helper" routine..:)
> >
>
> For your information
Flush.
Pedantus
"Cleo Taurus" <n...@the.place.you.think> wrote in message
news:2349802323432.42...@the.place.you.think...
> Pedantus <peda...@hotmail.com> posted:
>
> > Science passes all the Religion tests.....:)
>
> Bullshit
>
Grade: A+ (nice expression of the Taurus/Scorpio material axis, the core
Religious prima materia of the devout scientists...:)
Pedantus
"Bill Gates" <hercu...@slaveforlove.com> wrote in message
news:hyJS9.40$Yy4....@nnrp1.ozemail.com.au...
> > Hey look, its Adam de Genisis, still naming all the stuff God brings
to
> > him to take care of--(his only assignment, and he slept through the
> > interesting rib-turns-into-female-"helper" routine..:)
> >
>
> For your information last year Arnold Swarzenegger broke his ribs
> on a motorcycle accident, and Dudley Moore of Bo Dereks 10 fame
> died.
Wow...who would have made such a seminal connection...:)
>
> Adam and Eve live on Earth today. Religion offers no proof! I've been
> to 20 newsgroups these months offering people to give me a very simple
test
> I am paranormal. I've been told by James Randi, Oz Skeptics, and
> UK Skeptics I have no claim, yet other people can understand it and
> have suggested a test :
>
> > > Anyway, what he claims his power is can be tested in public
newsgroups,
> > > because he seems to be claiming that when *he* posts a message, the
> > > first three responses will have a strong correlation between message
> > > body and poster name ( name given, not necessarily real name ). So,
when
> > > Danny matched the names to the responses correctly, it did support
> > > *Herc's* claim.
> > >
> > > So, Herc, do you think a valid test of your claims would be* :
> > > a) You post a message to the newsgroup.
> > > b) Several people respond to it, through a mediator
> > > c) The responses are posted with the names stripped
> > > d) The names are posted
> > > e) Everyone who wishes to tries to match up the names to the posts
> > > f) If a significant number are correct, your claim is validated?
> > >
> > > *Note that I am not saying this is the best test, or a good idea, I'm
> > > just trying to clarify the claim.
>
>
> Herc
>
>
Keep trying dude. Some of us just have to shine a giant red stars.
The Scarlet Pumpernickel
da...@thellamaranch.com
> > Edmond Wollmann wrote:
> >
> >> David J. Vorous wrote:
> >>
> >>> Edmond Wollmann wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> ....
> >>>> There is no one truth, except that THE truth is the composition of all
> >>>> truths.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> How can that be when some of those "truths" are outright lies,
> >>> such as astrology?
> >>
> >> It is simply not YOUR truth.
> >>
> >
> > Here's YOUR truth, scumbag:
>
> Aw, what's the matter? You can't handle the tough questions so
> you have to resort to the ad hominem? Or are you just upset
> that the religion of astrology has failed, miserably, every
> scientific test presented?
>
>
>
Does that make Miss Cleo the Pope?
The Scarlet Pumpernickel
hercu...@slaveforlove.com
> > him to take care of--(his only assignment, and he slept through the
> > interesting rib-turns-into-female-"helper" routine..:)
> >
>
> For your information last year Arnold Swarzenegger broke his ribs
> on a motorcycle accident, and Dudley Moore of Bo Dereks 10 fame
> died.
Did the stars tell you that those hallucinogins will fry your
brain?
>
> I am paranormal.
That's for damn sure.
I've been told by James Randi, Oz Skeptics, and
> UK Skeptics I have no claim, yet other people can understand it and
> have suggested a test :
>
Here's a test. Find the highest building in your area. Jump off
the roof. See if you can fly.
David J. Vorous
> "David J. Vorous" <da...@thellamaranch.com> wrote in message
> news:3E1B503C...@thellamaranch.com...
>
>>Nathan Wollmann wrote:
>>
>>>Edmond Wollmann wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>David J. Vorous wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Edmond Wollmann wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>....
>>>>>>There is no one truth, except that THE truth is the composition of
>>>>>
> all
>
>>>>>>truths.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>How can that be when some of those "truths" are outright lies,
>>>>>such as astrology?
>>>>
>>>>It is simply not YOUR truth.
>>>>
>>>
>>>Here's YOUR truth, scumbag:
>>
>>Aw, what's the matter? You can't handle the tough questions so
>>you have to resort to the ad hominem? Or are you just upset
>>that the religion of astrology has failed, miserably, every
>>scientific test presented?
>
>
> Science passes all the Religion tests.....:)
Except when anyone using a scientific method proves that
astrology is a complete farce. Then people make up all kinds
of excuses and ad hominems.
David J. Vorous
>...
> I am paranormal.
Well, not normal anyway.
All my friends know I'm psychic and all of my predictions have
come true. Wait.... I feel a prediction coming on now.....
Ok. Here it is: Tomorrow, there will be an earthquake in
California. Here's the link to go to for
verification:http://quake.wr.usgs.gov/recenteqs/index.html
Go there at midnight, California time, and you'll find the
details about the quake I just predicted.
David J. Vorous
>
> Astrology is a religion?
> Does that make Miss Cleo the Pope?
No. But she did get busted - fraud. If I remember right,
astrology is a religion that goes back to the ancient
Persians. It's just been modified a bit to make it salable today.
yowie
> > Hey look, its Adam de Genisis, still naming all the stuff God brings to
> > him to take care of--(his only assignment, and he slept through the
> > interesting rib-turns-into-female-"helper" routine..:)
> >
>
> For your information last year Arnold Swarzenegger broke his ribs
> on a motorcycle accident, and Dudley Moore of Bo Dereks 10 fame
> died.
>
> Adam and Eve live on Earth today. Religion offers no proof! I've been
> to 20 newsgroups these months offering people to give me a very simple test
> I am paranormal. I've been told by James Randi, Oz Skeptics, and
> UK Skeptics I have no claim, yet other people can understand it and
> have suggested a test :
I have a paperback book on my desk. Only one.
What is it's title?
--
"I'm dumb, crazy and insane, aren't I...?"
- Richard II
Pedantus
> Bill Gates wrote:
> >...
> > I am paranormal.
>
> Well, not normal anyway.
>
> All my friends know I'm psychic and all of my predictions have
> come true. Wait.... I feel a prediction coming on now.....
>
> Ok. Here it is: Tomorrow, there will be an earthquake in
> California. Here's the link to go to for
> verification:http://quake.wr.usgs.gov/recenteqs/index.html
> Go there at midnight, California time, and you'll find the
> details about the quake I just predicted.
Me thinks Yamma speaks with fork-ed lip.
el...@no.spam
David J. Vorous <da...@thellamaranch.com> wrote:
>> Science passes all the Religion tests.....:)
>Except when anyone using a scientific method proves that
>astrology is a complete farce. Then people make up all kinds
>of excuses and ad hominems.
The kooks use the "science is a religion" lie quite often. Guess
they like the ignore that testability thing.
el...@no.spam
David J. Vorous <da...@thellamaranch.com> wrote:
>No. But she did get busted - fraud. If I remember right,
>astrology is a religion that goes back to the ancient Persians.
>It's just been modified a bit to make it salable today.
Have you seen that ad that ask "when is a diet pill worth $153"?
I got curious and did a search to see what's in the pill. It's
the tired old ephedra mixture with a huge profit margin. Reminds
me a lot of some frauds that promote astrology.
Pedantus
<el...@no.spam> wrote in message news:10419949...@spinics.net...
need, Science thinks its the illusive 'one true religion'...:) I don't have
a problem with Science being ignorant of its purely religious passions, I
think its funny as hell...:) Praying for a scientific answer is just a
prayer, obedience to the order and methodology is just religious devotion in
drag...:)
Bill Gates
'Ask a skeptic a request and they treat it like a question."
another fact : not every paranormal person has an inbuilt
encycolopedia with every answer in it.
I'm making a claim that I'm your Lord, and stud for the next
species. Its easy to disprove me but none of you have.
Herc
Bill Nichols
(especially when disparate polls get combined to paint
a supposed composite "big picture") is often
mind-boggling. And the success at the level of the
sound-bite, yes/no, off/on mentality they play to
(i.e., those like the original poster) shows they have
the I'll-take-any-old-meaningless-crap-you-
feed-me,-master,-may-I-please-have-another?? target
audience pegged rock solid. <lol>
Bill
Edmond Wollmann
> Edmond Wollmann wrote:
> > David J. Vorous wrote:
> >>Edmond Wollmann wrote:
> >>>....
> >>>There is no one truth, except that THE truth is the composition of all
> >>>truths.
> >>How can that be when some of those "truths" are outright lies,
> >>such as astrology?
> > It is simply not YOUR truth.
> You don't get to decide your own truth. This "your truth" or
> "your reality" is just a bunch of nonsense left over from the
> 60's.
> > I am afraid you are simply uninformed and not really cognizant of the
> > wonderful and insightful tool astrology can be ...
> Since your astrology is just a religion made up long ago, it
> is not a tool for anything but fostering ignorance of real
> science. Astrology makes many claims, but offers no proofs.
It is not "my" astrology, and everything is made up from long ago. All
modern knowledge is a derivation of Greek, Roman or babylonian cultures
etc.
The only thing that "fosters ignorance" is talking about, criticising,
and denigrating things you have never really investigated, which is a
sign of just plain foolishness.
http://www.astroconsulting.com/FAQs/essays_2.htm#who
Hypothesis=The thesis, or main idea, of an experiment consisting of a
statement that predicts the relationship between at least two variables.
That's it.
ALL assertions are constructs. Construct=Hypothesis to explain
phenomena.
Hypothetical construct=Concepts to explain unseen processes, such as
hunger or learning; postulated to explain observable behavior. Astrology
is a valid hypothetical construct to explain the interconnectedness of
man and the universe.
NOTHING is ever proven. The null hypothesis is disproved or changes in
the null hypothesis are weighed against alternative hypothesis.
Probability values determine whether there is significant evidence for
rejecting or accepting the null hypothesis.
Theories are made of constructs. Constructs are beliefs and paradigms.
Theory=A systematic arrangement of facts with respect to some real or
HYPOTHETICAL laws; a hypothetical explanation of phenomena; a hypothesis
NOT YET empirically verified as a law, but accepted as the basis for
experimentation; an exposition of the general or abstract principles of
any science or humanity which have been DERIVED from PRACTICE; a plan or
a system SUGGESTED as a METHOD of action; an ideal arrangement of
events, usu. preceded by in; a doctrine or SCHEME of things resting
merely on SPECULATION, contemplation, supposition, or conjecture!
Lexicon/Webster, page 1018 #2 of two volume set.
Hypothesis generate theories. Theories generate data to look at.
Theories exist within paradigms. Paradigms are sets of belief
assumptions.
"The Structure Of Scientific Revolutions";
"We believe every effort should be made to study abnormal behavior
according to scientific principles. It should be clear at this point
however, that science is NOT a completely objective and certain
enterprise. Rather, as we can infer by the comment from Kuhn, subjective
factors, as well as limitations in our perspective on the universe,
enter into the conduct of scientific enquiry. Central to any application
of scientific principles, in Kuhn's view, is the concept of a paradigm,
a conceptual framework or approach within which a scientist works. A
paradigm according to Kuhn, is a set of basic assumptions that outline
the PARTICULAR UNIVERSE OF SCIENTIFIC ENQUIRY..." (my emphasis)
In addition to injecting inevitable biases into the definition and
collection of data, a paradigm may also affect the interpretation of
facts. In other words, the meaning or import given to data may depend to
a considerable extent on a paradigm.
University of Southern California", State University of New York"
Davidson and Neale, 6th edition, 1996. Wiley and sons publishers.
In short paradigmatical definitions (beliefs) can affect perception.
Absence of evidence from one paradigm to another proves only that the
above connections have different sets of propositions to explain
results.
We can never PROVE anything beyond a doubt, we can only measure the
truth premise of inductive logic through confidence intervals and tests
of significance-which still doesn't prove anything.
Hence we never proved that the Earth was round, we only disproved to
some degree, in this reality, at this time with these assumptions-that
it is not flat (in relative terms).
SpÅmster
Edmond Wollmann wrote:
> It is not "my" astrology, and everything is made up from long ago.
So you admit it's all made up crap? About time! Now where's my damn lawsuit?!
Cujo
news:3E1BA0...@earthlink.net:
> David J. Vorous wrote:
>
>> Edmond Wollmann wrote:
>> > David J. Vorous wrote:
>
>> >>Edmond Wollmann wrote:
>
>> >>>....
>> >>>There is no one truth, except that THE truth is the composition of
>> >>>all truths.
>
>> >>How can that be when some of those "truths" are outright lies,
>> >>such as astrology?
>
>> > It is simply not YOUR truth.
>
>> You don't get to decide your own truth. This "your truth" or
>> "your reality" is just a bunch of nonsense left over from the
>> 60's.
>
>> > I am afraid you are simply uninformed and not really cognizant of
>> > the wonderful and insightful tool astrology can be ...
>
>> Since your astrology is just a religion made up long ago, it
>> is not a tool for anything but fostering ignorance of real
>> science. Astrology makes many claims, but offers no proofs.
>
> It is not "my" astrology, and everything is made up from long ago. All
> modern knowledge is a derivation of Greek, Roman or babylonian
> cultures etc.
Edmo! You're lying again! You claim in one of your screeds that you have
the only "new" astrology and even that is 15 years old. Why can't you
just actually try to win an argument *honestly* for a change? You haven't
won any by being a lying sociopath so far. Try it once or twice, you
plagiarizing fucktard.
> The only thing that "fosters ignorance" is talking about, criticising,
> and denigrating things you have never really investigated, which is a
> sign of just plain foolishness.
So let's hear your moon formation theory/theories again! Let us know what
exactly you investigated while you are at it. Since you have two wildly
divergent theories you could let us all know which one you are currently
trying to ensnare rubes with these days.
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el...@no.spam
Edmond Wollmann <arctur...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>It is not "my" astrology, and everything is made up from long ago.
Do you have to work at being such a dumbass or does it
just come naturally?
Edmond Wollmann
deadbeat, bankruptcy-filing kook, highschool drop-out, perpetual
student, failed predictor, plagiarist, thief, asshole, Usenet spammer,
20-time Net and ISP account loser, physical stalker, unlicensed
fraudulent "counselor" who has sex with his "clients", borrows money
from them, then publicly discloses their private communications after
they call him on his lack of ethics, illegally operating an astrology
business in San Diego, convicted in San Diego on 6/28/98 of a
misdemeanor (PC 555- Unlawful Entry), fined, and placed on probation,
sued in San Diego for Unlawful Detainer and evicted in 3/96, past
violator of Federal and State game laws for abusing wildlife, described,
punished, and banned from University servers as an abuser by SDSU, and
> David J. Vorous wrote:
>
>
>>Edmond Wollmann wrote:
>>
>>>David J. Vorous wrote:
>
>
>>>>Edmond Wollmann wrote:
>
>
>>>>>....
>>>>>There is no one truth, except that THE truth is the composition of all
>>>>>truths.
>
>
>>>>How can that be when some of those "truths" are outright lies,
>>>>such as astrology?
>
>
>>>It is simply not YOUR truth.
>
>
>
>>You don't get to decide your own truth. This "your truth" or
>>"your reality" is just a bunch of nonsense left over from the
>>60's.
>
>
>
>>>I am afraid you are simply uninformed and not really cognizant of the
>>>wonderful and insightful tool astrology can be ...
>
>
>
>>Since your astrology is just a religion made up long ago, it
>>is not a tool for anything but fostering ignorance of real
>>science. Astrology makes many claims, but offers no proofs.
>
>
> It is not "my" astrology,
Then why did you say it *was* your astrology before, numbnutz?
Were you lying then, now, or both times?
"You cannot even come close to my astrology , that's why none of you
discuss astrology" -Ed Wollmann
el...@no.spam
Edmond Wollmann <e...@astroconsulting.net> wrote:
Because he says whatever he thinks he needs to say to get
someone to think he can actually think. It isn't working
of course.
David J. Vorous
Slaughter House Five?
David J. Vorous
> "David J. Vorous" <da...@thellamaranch.com> wrote in message
> news:3E1B8FF6...@thellamaranch.com...
>
>>Bill Gates wrote:
>>
>>>...
>>>I am paranormal.
>>
>>Well, not normal anyway.
>>
>>All my friends know I'm psychic and all of my predictions have
>>come true. Wait.... I feel a prediction coming on now.....
>>
>>Ok. Here it is: Tomorrow, there will be an earthquake in
>>California. Here's the link to go to for
>>verification:http://quake.wr.usgs.gov/recenteqs/index.html
>>Go there at midnight, California time, and you'll find the
>>details about the quake I just predicted.
>
>
> Me thinks Yamma speaks with fork-ed lip.
My predictions of earthquakes has NEVER failed to come true.
David J. Vorous
You know they're frauds when they start calling you names. I
called one of them a fraud to her face and she read my "aura"
and said I was going to die in a week. That was about 25 years
ago and as far as I know, I'm not dead.
David J. Vorous
> ....obedience to the order and methodology is just religious
devotion in
> drag...:)
Except that religious devotions require gods and such. As far
as I know, there are no gods in science.
David J. Vorous
> Herc's paranormal law :
>
> 'Ask a skeptic a request and they treat it like a question."
Somehow the grammar of that statement isn't quite right.
David J. Vorous
>
> It is not "my" astrology, and everything is made up from long ago. All
> modern knowledge is a derivation of Greek, Roman or babylonian cultures
> etc.
That's a good one. Modern particle physics was invented by the
Babylonians. Your astrology is a religion - not based in
reality or fact. You can quote all the books you want and that
still won't change the fact that astrology is based on
religious dogma, and not scientific facts. Anyone that passed
a highschool class in astronomy would know that.
Dr. Rev. Chuck, M.D. P.A.
> > David J. Vorous <da...@thellamaranch.com> wrote:
> >
> > >> Science passes all the Religion tests.....:)
> >
> > >Except when anyone using a scientific method proves that
> > >astrology is a complete farce. Then people make up all kinds
> > >of excuses and ad hominems.
> >
> > The kooks use the "science is a religion" lie quite often. Guess
> > they like the ignore that testability thing.
> >
> Thats the best kind of religion, the testable kind....it fills the same
> need, Science thinks its the illusive 'one true religion'...:)
(Rest of manure pile shovelled.)
Science is self-correcting. Guess what isn't.
Bill Gates
"Edmond Wollmann> wrote
> NOTHING is ever proven. The null hypothesis is disproved or changes in
> the null hypothesis are weighed against alternative hypothesis.
> Probability values determine whether there is significant evidence for
> rejecting or accepting the null hypothesis.
can you prove that?
>
> Theories are made of constructs. Constructs are beliefs and paradigms.
nonsense, eX, exists something, a self evident truth.
Herc
Bill Gates
there are no gods in science,
science is self correcting.
therefor
Herc
Dante Alighieri
:^) > >Except when anyone using a scientific method proves that
:^) > >astrology is a complete farce. Then people make up all kinds
:^) > >of excuses and ad hominems.
You are right. The tides have nothing to do with the sun and the moon.
Mensies or the like.
Modern Astrology says the sun was in Libra when I was born.
Reality - the sun was in Virgo at that time.
There are some texts on the new "sun signs" but they are built
on the same imaginary foundation as modern astrology.
That is used to discredit scientific evidence of the earth being affected
by forces outside of the earth. How science ignores earth's gravitational effect
upon the sun while using that type of gravitational force to detect an unseen
planet in another solar system.
My bad, it's all a republican trick that they created to trickl us by travelling back
in time to a virtual alternate anti-matter universe and creating all this tomfoolery.
michelangelo merisi da caravaggio
Dante Alighieri
<cdub@_REMOVETHIS_erols.com> wrote:
:^) Science is self-correcting.
What's up chuck?
Couldn't resist that one,
LOL
michelangelo merisi da caravaggio
Edmond Wollmann
> Edmond Wollmann wrote:
> > It is not "my" astrology, and everything is made up from long ago. All
> > modern knowledge is a derivation of Greek, Roman or babylonian cultures
> > etc.
> That's a good one. Modern particle physics was invented by the
> Babylonians.
Without ancient paradigm bases, it would have not been "invented."
Straw man fallacy= Fallacy that occurs when the arguer misinterprets an
opponent's position for the purpose of more easily attacking it,
demolishes the misinterpreted argument, and then concludes that the
original argument has been demolished. "A Concise Introduction to
Logic", Hurley, 1991.
>Your astrology is a religion - not based in
Nope.
http://www.astroconsulting.com/FAQs/info.htm
> reality or fact.
Particle physics allows us to begin to understand that reality is not
one but many.
> You can quote all the books you want and that
> still won't change the fact that astrology is based on
> religious dogma, and not scientific facts. Anyone that passed
> a highschool class in astronomy would know that.
I have passed more than that.
http://www.astroconsulting.com/FAQs/fate_vs_free_will.htm
http://www.astroconsulting.com/FAQs/christian.htm
http://www.astroconsulting.com/FAQs/arguments_against_the_astrologers.htm
"Astrology, bar sinister in the escutcheon of astronomy, maintains a
unique and lonely position in human thought. It is "believed in" by a
lot of people who know practically nothing about it; and it is
"disbelieved in" by even more who know ABSOLUTELY nothing about it. Of
no other art or science can this be said." Grant Lewi, "Why I believe in
Astrology"
Pedantus
"Dr. Rev. Chuck, M.D. P.A." <cdub@_REMOVETHIS_erols.com> wrote in message
news:3E1BFD63.38A5@_REMOVETHIS_erols.com...
Intellectual myopia ?
SpÅmster
Edmond Wollmann wrote:
> Particle physics allows us to begin to understand that reality is not
> one but many.
Does it allow you to file a lawsuit too?
Pedantus
"Bill Gates" <hercu...@slaveforlove.com> wrote in message
news:iiRS9.142$Yy4....@nnrp1.ozemail.com.au...
> there are two replies 2 this message
>
> there are no gods in science,
> science is self correcting.
The gods in science are tangible like golden calves, self-polished...:)
>
> therefor
>
>
>
> Herc
>
>
>
Pedantus
"David J. Vorous" <da...@thellamaranch.com> wrote in message
news:3E1BD21...@thellamaranch.com...
> Pedantus wrote:
> > ....obedience to the order and methodology is just religious
> devotion in
> > drag...:)
>
> Except that religious devotions require gods and such. As far
> as I know, there are no gods in science.
(Pssst...Pluto wears a helmet of invisibility....and Mercury swifter
than the eye...me thinks you've been lolling about with Venus---Ohh, the
satisfaction...ah...again, again! Can we repeat this experiment..pant,
pant, pant,....drool...:)
Pedantus
<el...@no.spam> wrote in message news:10420019...@spinics.net...
Study his chart?...:)
Ross
...or update his Web site?
R.
--
Go not to Usenet for counsel, for they will say both yes and no.
Cujo
news:Xns92FD69A...@216.168.3.44:
> SpÅmster <dont-...@email.com> wrote in
> news:3E1C387D...@email.com:
>
>>
>>
>> Edmond Wollmann wrote:
>>
>>> Particle physics allows us to begin to understand that reality is
>>> not one but many.
>>
>> Does it allow you to file a lawsuit too?
>>
> ...or update his Web site?
It certainly allows Ed to travel in time, after all it's still February
in Edmoworld(tm).
SpÅmster
Ross wrote:
> SpÅmster <dont-...@email.com> wrote in news:3E1C387D...@email.com:
>
> >
> >
> > Edmond Wollmann wrote:
> >
> >> Particle physics allows us to begin to understand that reality is not
> >> one but many.
> >
> > Does it allow you to file a lawsuit too?
> >
> ...or update his Web site?
>
>
Yeah, that too.
David J. Vorous
> David J. Vorous wrote:
>
>
>>Edmond Wollmann wrote:
>
>
>>>It is not "my" astrology, and everything is made up from long ago. All
>>>modern knowledge is a derivation of Greek, Roman or babylonian cultures
>>>etc.
>>
>
>
>>That's a good one. Modern particle physics was invented by the
>>Babylonians.
>
>
> Without ancient paradigm bases, it would have not been "invented."
>
Which is exactly what your "ancient paradigm base" argument is.
>>Your astrology is a religion - not based in
>
>
> Nope.
Just because some website published something does not make it
true. If you have to lie about the basis of your religion,
then you must not be very knowledgeable about it.
>>reality or fact.
>
>
> Particle physics allows us to begin to understand that reality is not
> one but many.
Which has nothing to do with the religion of astrology.
>>You can quote all the books you want and that
>>still won't change the fact that astrology is based on
>>religious dogma, and not scientific facts. Anyone that passed
>>a highschool class in astronomy would know that.
>
>
> I have passed more than that.
Apparently not.
Pedantus
If one accepts that astrology cannot be used for prediction by removing a
causal ideas, then it isn't even a religion, right? We can have 12 Quirks
rather than quarks, right? Or does your highness allow nothing.? May I
pose an idealized trinity within a circle? May I have two circles? May I
number segments in one circle so that I do not lose my place? May I give
the segments of the second circle algebraic symbols to hold my thought, and
perhaps communicate it to others? Which part of this is Religion , oh Great
One...:)?
http://home.stny.rr.com/pedantus/astrogram09.gif
At what point does the art begin to offend your virginal mind, and do
you know why (without avoiding my the context my words as we find them, as
confined to my paragraph, and not that of some convenient ghost that thrills
you to conjure as enemy of mind?
el...@no.spam
<arctur...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>That's a good one. Modern particle physics was invented by the
>>Babylonians.
>Without ancient paradigm bases, it would have not been "invented."
So now you are claiming particle physics wouldn't have happened
without astrology? You're getting kookier all the time, Wollmann.
el...@no.spam
David J. Vorous <da...@thellamaranch.com> wrote:
>You know they're frauds when they start calling you names. I
>called one of them a fraud to her face and she read my "aura"
>and said I was going to die in a week.
Have you heard of Pete Stapleton? He actually filed a slander
suit against Usenet posters that have pointed that his financial
astrology that "works everytime" just might be a scam.
>That was about 25 years ago and as far as I know, I'm not dead.
No, but Pete's suit sure is.
yowie
> yowie wrote:
> > Bill Gates says...
> >
> >>> Hey look, its Adam de Genisis, still naming all the stuff God brings to
> >>>him to take care of--(his only assignment, and he slept through the
> >>>interesting rib-turns-into-female-"helper" routine..:)
> >>>
> >>
> >>For your information last year Arnold Swarzenegger broke his ribs
> >>on a motorcycle accident, and Dudley Moore of Bo Dereks 10 fame
> >>died.
> >>
> >>Adam and Eve live on Earth today. Religion offers no proof! I've been
> >>to 20 newsgroups these months offering people to give me a very simple test
> >>I am paranormal. I've been told by James Randi, Oz Skeptics, and
> >>UK Skeptics I have no claim, yet other people can understand it and
> >>have suggested a test :
> >
> >
> >
> > I have a paperback book on my desk. Only one.
> >
> > What is it's title?
>
> Slaughter House Five?
Hmmph.
OK smartarse, it's a library book.
What is the due date stamped in the back?
Eh?? EH???
--
"I'm dumb, crazy and insane, aren't I...?"
- Richard II
Pusfilledsore Onedmosbutthole
> David J. Vorous wrote:
>
>
>>Edmond Wollmann wrote:
>
>
>>>It is not "my" astrology, and everything is made up from long ago. All
>>>modern knowledge is a derivation of Greek, Roman or babylonian cultures
>>>etc.
>
>
>
>>That's a good one. Modern particle physics was invented by the
>>Babylonians.
>
>
> Without ancient paradigm bases, it would have not been "invented."
You fucking moron, there were humans who existed in other parts of the
world, not just Greece, Rome, or Babylonia.
To say that "all modern knowledge" derives from those three geographic
locations is a ridiculous, uneducated, and rather stupid statement.
Seems you left out the early discoveries and inventions of ancient Asian
cultures, you stupid fucking fool.
If you simply want to say that all human knowledge is somehow supported
by past history and discoveries, well, no shit.
So people came up with astrology in ancient times. Big fucking deal.
They also came up with human saacrfices to appease their Gods.
There was a lot of incorrect, superstitious bullshit that people felt
they "knew" way back when.
So, are you saying that all ancient knowledge was more valid than what
is known today?
Great. Let's sacrifice YOU, pigfucker.
I know where an evil coward puts down as his permanent address on things
like his PO box applications:
His fucking daddy's house.
Seriously. You're nearly fifty years old, Edmo. And you STILL have to
rely on Daddy to bail you out.
Pathetic.
Wollmann, Heinz
441 Longbow Loop SW, Los Lunas, NM 87031-8630
Phone: (505)865-0921
David J. Vorous
> If one accepts that astrology cannot be used for prediction by removing a
> causal ideas, then it isn't even a religion, right?
No. It's a religion based on dogma, not reality. Aren't you
paying attention? There is no scientific, or rational, basis
for astrology. It's a religion. Get over it.
David J. Vorous
Probably because the judge passed high school astronomy.
David J. Vorous
It's two weeks past due.
el...@no.spam
David J. Vorous <da...@thellamaranch.com> wrote:
>>No, but Pete's suit sure is.
>Probably because the judge passed high school astronomy.
It didn't even get that far. Pete tried to use a California
court to sue people world wide. The court didn't agree with his
jurisdiction arguments. In fact he didn't even use the right
venue for the defendents that are in California.
Pedantus
> Pedantus wrote:
> > If one accepts that astrology cannot be used for prediction by
> > causal ideas, then it isn't even a religion, right?
>
> No. It's a religion based on dogma, not reality. Aren't you
> paying attention? There is no scientific, or rational, basis
> for astrology. It's a religion. Get over it.
>
baliwick...:)?
Cleo Taurus
> Do you think it will replace Christianity, or is that Science's
>baliwick...:)?
Do you think you could try to follow the discussion, or do you
need some thorazine?
David J. Vorous
If he had a working brain he would know how to sue, but then
if he had a working brain, the wouldn't have fallen for the
religion of astrology.
David J. Vorous
> "David J. Vorous" <da...@thellamaranch.com> wrote in message
> news:3E1CC6C2...@thellamaranch.com...
>
>>Pedantus wrote:
>>
>>> If one accepts that astrology cannot be used for prediction by
>>
> removing all
>
>>>causal ideas, then it isn't even a religion, right?
>>
>>No. It's a religion based on dogma, not reality. Aren't you
>>paying attention? There is no scientific, or rational, basis
>>for astrology. It's a religion. Get over it.
>>
>
> Do you think it will replace Christianity
Give up. I'm not naive enough, or stupid enough, to fall for
anything about the religion of astrology. It's based on
ignorance, and feeds on ignorance. Keep it if you want, I just
don't care to hear your moronic rantings.
el...@no.spam
David J. Vorous <da...@thellamaranch.com> wrote:
>If he had a working brain he would know how to sue,
In that case he'd also know not to. He's actually said that
several of us held down a 14 year old while she was raped. I
doubt anything we've said about him would out weigh that slander.
David J. Vorous
It's obvious his planets don't complete their orbits.
el...@no.spam
David J. Vorous <da...@thellamaranch.com> wrote:
>It's obvious his planets don't complete their orbits.
And his stars aren't exactly fusing hydrogen.
Bill Gates
"Baron Lurk" > wrote
>
> >David J. Vorous <da...@thellamaranch.com> wrote:
> >
> >>It's obvious his planets don't complete their orbits.
> >
> >And his stars aren't exactly fusing hydrogen.
>
We told him Kepplers law but he used Coppers logs.
Herc
Edmond Wollmann
> Edmond Wollmann wrote:
> > David J. Vorous wrote:
> >>Edmond Wollmann wrote:
> >>>It is not "my" astrology, and everything is made up from long ago. All
> >>>modern knowledge is a derivation of Greek, Roman or babylonian cultures
> >>>etc.
> >>That's a good one. Modern particle physics was invented by the
> >>Babylonians.
> > Without ancient paradigm bases, it would have not been "invented."
> > Straw man fallacy.....
> Which is exactly what your "ancient paradigm base" argument is.
Incorrect.
> >>Your astrology is a religion - not based in
> > Nope.
> Just because some website published something does not make it
> true. If you have to lie about the basis of your religion,
> then you must not be very knowledgeable about it.
It is my website, researched referenced and defendable.
You don't seem to understand logic and real argument do you? I have no
religion. I either know something or I don't-- unlike you are
demonstrating your approach is here.
> >>reality or fact.
> > Particle physics allows us to begin to understand that reality is not
> > one but many.
> Which has nothing to do with the religion of astrology.
Then why did you bring it up?
> >>You can quote all the books you want and that
> >>still won't change the fact that astrology is based on
> >>religious dogma, and not scientific facts. Anyone that passed
> >>a highschool class in astronomy would know that.
> > I have passed more than that.
> Apparently not.
Evidence? Since you are not presenting anything to substantiate your
beliefs, I assume you have no arguments for them. That is fine, you can
believe whatever religion you wish, including science. However, if you
wish to make a point, arguments are the way that proceeds.
Here, let me explain to you how argumentation works:
A valid and sound deductive argument is one that has a true premises and
a true conclusion-it is deductive, which contains nothing new in the
conclusion (like math). Inductive arguments are weak or strong (never
certain which all are here inductive) if they have a true premises and
true conclusion (strong and cogent) or true premises and (probably)
false conclusion (weak uncogent). In this way they are determined to be
cogent or not based on strong argument+True premises.
Therefore:
sound argument=valid deductive argument + true premises=definite true
conclusion
cogent argument=strong inductive argument + true premises=probably true
conclusion
Let me know when you can create one and I will be glad to refute it.
"Let the mind be enlarged, according to its capacity, to the grandeur of
the mysteries, and not the mysteries contracted to the narrowness of the
mind. " -SIR FRANCIS BACON
--
Edmond H. Wollmann P.M.A.F.A. remove-to mail me
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Ross
news:3E1D19...@earthlink.net:
> David J. Vorous wrote:
[...]
>> Just because some website published something does not make it
>> true. If you have to lie about the basis of your religion,
>> then you must not be very knowledgeable about it.
>
> It is my website, researched referenced and defendable.
Yes, but can you update it?
Obviously not as it seems your host has blocked you access to it.
> You don't seem to understand logic and real argument do you? I have no
> religion. I either know something or I don't--
And you seem to know very little, indeed, about intergrity, relationships,
tresspassing laws, the transparent nature of your lies and (as some
astrologers have pointed out) astrology.
In fact, your online antics wer a major reason that a moderated astrology
group was created.
> unlike you are demonstrating your approach is here.
PKB noted.
[...]
>> >>You can quote all the books you want and that
>> >>still won't change the fact that astrology is based on
>> >>religious dogma, and not scientific facts. Anyone that passed
>> >>a highschool class in astronomy would know that.
>
>> > I have passed more than that.
Post proof.
>
>> Apparently not.
>
> Evidence?
Eddie, why don't you put a scan of your degrees up on your Web site?
I know, I know...two problems with that.... You don't actually have any
degrees and your Web host has killed your access.
> Since you are not presenting anything to substantiate your
> beliefs, I assume you have no arguments for them. That is fine, you
> can believe whatever religion you wish, including science. However, if
> you wish to make a point, arguments are the way that proceeds.
>
> Here, let me explain to you how argumentation<SLAP!>
You are in no position to tell anyone about logic or rhetoric.
[flush]
Cujo
> David J. Vorous wrote:
>
>> Edmond Wollmann wrote:
>> > David J. Vorous wrote:
>> >>Edmond Wollmann wrote:
>
>> >>>It is not "my" astrology, and everything is made up from long ago.
>> >>>All modern knowledge is a derivation of Greek, Roman or babylonian
>> >>>cultures etc.
>
>> >>That's a good one. Modern particle physics was invented by the
>> >>Babylonians.
>
>> > Without ancient paradigm bases, it would have not been "invented."
>
>> > Straw man fallacy.....
>
>> Which is exactly what your "ancient paradigm base" argument is.
>
> Incorrect.
For once you're right, Edmo. It's a baseless assertion that you dredged
up to dodge the fact that you were losing yet another argument, kook.
>> >>Your astrology is a religion - not based in
>
>> > Nope.
>
>> Just because some website published something does not make it
>> true. If you have to lie about the basis of your religion,
>> then you must not be very knowledgeable about it.
>
> It is my website, researched referenced and defendable.
Great! Defend plagiarizing materials from software and astrologers
without permission. While you're at it, tell us about the research you
did for your moon formation theory.
> You don't seem to understand logic and real argument do you? I have no
> religion. I either know something or I don't-- unlike you are
> demonstrating your approach is here.
You sure don't know any math, Edmo.
>> >>reality or fact.
>
>> > Particle physics allows us to begin to understand that reality is
>> > not one but many.
>
>> Which has nothing to do with the religion of astrology.
>
> Then why did you bring it up?
Because you were incoherent, dumbfuck.
>> >>You can quote all the books you want and that
>> >>still won't change the fact that astrology is based on
>> >>religious dogma, and not scientific facts. Anyone that passed
>> >>a highschool class in astronomy would know that.
>
>> > I have passed more than that.
>
>> Apparently not.
>
> Evidence? Since you are not presenting anything to substantiate your
> beliefs, I assume you have no arguments for them. That is fine, you
> can believe whatever religion you wish, including science. However, if
> you wish to make a point, arguments are the way that proceeds.
Good! Since you claim to be a psychological counselor please let us all
know where your certifications can be viewed per CA law, scumbag.
> Here, let me explain to you how argumentation works:
You can't argue your way out of a paper bag, fool. Nobody believes a
documented liar. Now explain why you aren't finishing up your degree at
Kepler.
el...@no.spam
Edmond Wollmann <arctur...@earthlink.net>wrote:
>>>Straw man fallacy.....
>>Which is exactly what your "ancient paradigm base" argument is.
>Incorrect.
How is it incorrect, Wollkook? Declaring it "incorrect" doesn't
make it so.
SpÅmster
Edmond 'Crybaby' Wollmann wrote:
> It is my website, researched referenced and defendable.
Too bad you can't update it, abuser!
Edmond Wollmann
> Edmond Wollmann <arctur...@earthlink.net> wrote in
> news:3E1D19...@earthlink.net:
> > David J. Vorous wrote:
> [...]
> >> Just because some website published something does not make it
> >> true. If you have to lie about the basis of your religion,
> >> then you must not be very knowledgeable about it.
> > It is my website, researched referenced and defendable.
> Yes, but can you update it?
Yes, I can.
> Obviously not as it seems your host has blocked you access to it.
Nope.
> > You don't seem to understand logic and real argument do you? I have no
> > religion. I either know something or I don't--
> And you seem to know very little, indeed, about intergrity, relationships,
> tresspassing laws, the transparent nature of your lies and (as some
> astrologers have pointed out) astrology.
I have never lied on usenet, I wrote a book and website about integrity,
http://astroconsulting.com/FAQs/essays_2.htm#how
and have had more real life relationships than any geek on usenet like
yourself--who seem to be so bored with your non-cyber lief that you hide
behind screen names for years harassing people you assert are kooks.
What sort of nutcase does such things for 7 years?
> In fact, your online antics wer a major reason that a moderated astrology
> group was created.
No, it was created to get away from abusers like you. And there are
really no longer any astrologers here on the original group anymore but
me--the only one brave enough and tough enough to weather punks like
you, defeat your specious and disingenous spinical arguments-- who send
complaints trying to yank my accounts--evidenced by your jumping up and
down everytime you BELIEVE I have some cyber restriction--which I never
do.
> > unlike you are demonstrating your approach is here.
> PKB noted.
Declaring astrology or anything else a religion or this or that and
presenting no evidence or real presentatrion of the foundation as to WHY
one believes such non-sense, or that you even know what it truly is, is
specious and out of integrity.
> [...]
> >> >>You can quote all the books you want and that
> >> >>still won't change the fact that astrology is based on
> >> >>religious dogma, and not scientific facts. Anyone that passed
> >> >>a highschool class in astronomy would know that.
> >> > I have passed more than that.
> Post proof.
The articles I posted links to are the evidence, no one will EVER "post"
proof, because usenet is not a medium to be trusted to begin with.
> >> Apparently not.
> > Evidence?
> Eddie, why don't you put a scan of your degrees up on your Web site?
Why don't YOU???
> I know, I know...two problems with that.... You don't actually have any
> degrees and your Web host has killed your access.
Yawn. Wasting 7 myears with this. You are truly OCD.
> > Since you are not presenting anything to substantiate your
> > beliefs, I assume you have no arguments for them. That is fine, you
> > can believe whatever religion you wish, including science. However, if
> > you wish to make a point, arguments are the way that proceeds.
> > Here, let me explain to you how argumentation<SLAP!>
> You are in no position to tell anyone about logic or rhetoric.
I eliminated that argument by posting the information from a logic text
when I do that, spinics like you try to discount the book itself--until
you embarass yourselves by denigrating every reference on the planet
simply to deny the validity of my arguments. What imbeciles.
> [flush]
Exactly. You who assert you know, don't.
"There is included in human nature an ingrained naturalism and
materialism of mind which can only admit facts that are actually
tangible sort of mind the entity called "Science" is the idol. Fondness
for the word "scientist" is one of the notes by which you may know its
votaries; and its short way of killing any opinion that it disbelieves
in is to call it "unscientific." It must be granted that there is no
slight excuse for this. Science has made such glorious leaps in the last
300 years . . . that it is no wonder if the worshippers of Science lose
their heads. In this very University, accordingly, I have heard more
than one teacher say that all the fundamental conceptions of truth have
already been found by Science; and that the future has only the details
of the picture to fill in. But the slightest reflection on the real
conditions will suffice to show how barbaric such notions are. They show
such a lack of scientific imagination that it is hard to see how one who
is actively advancing any part of Science can make a statement so crude.
Think how many absolutely new scientific conceptions have arisen in our
generation, how many new problems have been formulated that were never
thought of before, and then cast an eye upon the brevity of Science's
career. Is this credible that such a mushroom knowledge, such a growth
overnight as this, can represent more than the minutest glimpse of what
the universe will really prove to be when adequately understood? No! Our
Science is but a drop, our ignorance a sea. Whatever else be certain,
this at least is certain: that the world of our present natural
knowledge is enveloped in a larger world of some sort, of whose residual
properties we at present can frame no positive idea." William James,
1895 addressing colleagues at Harvard
Edmond Wollmann
What a waste of a discussion medium.
"I believe every true theorist is a kind of tamed metaphysicist, no
matter how pure a "positivist" he may fancy himself." Albert Einstein
SpÅmster
Edmond Wollmann wrote:
> > > It is my website, researched referenced and defendable.
>
> > Yes, but can you update it?
>
> Yes, I can.
>
**>> *UPDATED* 08/11/2002 07:51:35 AM <<**
Oh?
SpÅmster
Edmond Wollmann wrote:
> What a waste of a discussion medium.
Excellent description of your screed and whining posts.
Ross
> Ross wrote:
>
>> Edmond Wollmann <arctur...@earthlink.net> wrote in
>> news:3E1D19...@earthlink.net:
>
>> > David J. Vorous wrote:
>
>> [...]
>
>> >> Just because some website published something does not make it
>> >> true. If you have to lie about the basis of your religion,
>> >> then you must not be very knowledgeable about it.
>
>> > It is my website, researched referenced and defendable.
>
>> Yes, but can you update it?
>
> Yes, I can.
Well, it is out of date. Best to update that abusers list, there Eddie.
>> Obviously not as it seems your host has blocked you access to it.
>
> Nope.
You claim in your writings that I shouldn't take what you say at face
value. Well, in this and many other cases, I don't.
>> > You don't seem to understand logic and real argument do you? I have
>> > no religion. I either know something or I don't--
>
>> And you seem to know very little, indeed, about intergrity,
>> relationships, tresspassing laws, the transparent nature of your lies
>> and (as some astrologers have pointed out) astrology.
>
> I have never lied on usenet,
Your lies are the stuff of legend, Eddie. You are famous for your lies.
> I wrote a book and website about
> integrity, http://astroconsulting.com/FAQs/essays_2.htm#how
> and have had more real life relationships than any geek on usenet like
> yourself--who seem to be so bored with your non-cyber lief that you
> hide behind screen names for years harassing people you assert are
> kooks. What sort of nutcase does such things for 7 years?
That was a nice incoherent rant.
>> In fact, your online antics wer a major reason that a moderated
>> astrology group was created.
>
> No, it was created to get away from abusers like you.
Didn't you just state "I have never lied on usenet"? Eddie, you have
just lied on Usenet.
> And there are
> really no longer any astrologers here on the original group anymore
> but me--the only one brave enough and tough enough to weather punks
> like you, defeat your specious and disingenous spinical arguments--
> who send complaints trying to yank my accounts--evidenced by your
> jumping up and down everytime you BELIEVE I have some cyber
> restriction--which I never do.
>
>> > unlike you are demonstrating your approach is here.
>
>> PKB noted.
>
> Declaring astrology or anything else a religion or this or that and
> presenting no evidence or real presentatrion of the foundation as to
> WHY one believes such non-sense, or that you even know what it truly
> is, is specious and out of integrity.
The original contention that 'astrology is a religion' was not made by me
and i do not necessarily support it. I can see the point of the poster
who asserted it. It seems that it is something to consider, but it
certainlly has put your panties in a twist.
>
>> [...]
>
>> >> >>You can quote all the books you want and that
>> >> >>still won't change the fact that astrology is based on
>> >> >>religious dogma, and not scientific facts. Anyone that passed
>> >> >>a highschool class in astronomy would know that.
>
>> >> > I have passed more than that.
>
>> Post proof.
>
> The articles I posted links to are the evidence, no one will EVER
> "post" proof, because usenet is not a medium to be trusted to begin
> with.
Well that puts your credibility as a psychological counsellor at zero.
>> >> Apparently not.
>
>> > Evidence?
>
>> Eddie, why don't you put a scan of your degrees up on your Web site?
>
> Why don't YOU???
My 'Net existence does not depend on convincing others about my
qualifications and bragging about my education. You have made a big deal
about your credentials and this puts the onus on you to provide proof
when it is asked for. This is especially true when California law states
that counsellors must provice public access to documentation of their
training.
I do not advertise myself as a counsellor and I don't troll for clients
on Usenet. Some of us consider it a public service to let others know
about your history when you do it. Fortunately, the job is getting
easier as your reputation has spread all around the world. Your lack of
integrity is clear to all who see what your history on the Internet is.
>> I know, I know...two problems with that.... You don't actually have
>> any degrees and your Web host has killed your access.
>
> Yawn. Wasting 7 myears with this. You are truly OCD.
>
>> > Since you are not presenting anything to substantiate your
>> > beliefs, I assume you have no arguments for them. That is fine, you
>> > can believe whatever religion you wish, including science. However,
>> > if you wish to make a point, arguments are the way that proceeds.
>
>> > Here, let me explain to you how argumentation<SLAP!>
>
>> You are in no position to tell anyone about logic or rhetoric.
>
> I eliminated that argument by posting the information from a logic
> text when I do that,
It is one thing to quote a book and another to understand and apply its
principles. You can quote text books. Too bad you can't apply the
concepts the author introduces.
[flush]
R.
Pedantus
"Baron Lurk" <baro...@spamnot.attbi.com> wrote in message
news:tj7r1vktio1fnmphm...@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 09 Jan 2003 14:31:21 GMT, Edmond Wollmann
> <arctur...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> >Baron Lurk wrote:
> >>
> >> On Thu, 09 Jan 2003 05:35:18 -0000, el...@no.spam () wrote:
> >>
> >> >In article <3E1D066...@thellamaranch.com>,
> >> >David J. Vorous <da...@thellamaranch.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>It's obvious his planets don't complete their orbits.
> >> >
> >> >And his stars aren't exactly fusing hydrogen.
> >>
> >> More like methane, if you ask me.
> >
> >What a waste of a discussion medium.
>
> either conduct a serious discussion with you, or verify your claims.
> You've blown my offers of by not responding. That says to me you have
> something to hide. At that point, you become yet another Usenet
> gasbag.
>
> Or were you suggesting we *use* methane as a discussion medium?
http://home.stny.rr.com/pedantus/8ball_01.gif
>
> remove 'spamnot' to reply.
David J. Vorous
>....
> Evidence? Since you are not presenting anything to substantiate your
> beliefs, I assume you have no arguments for them.
Oh, look! A vain attempt at shifting the burden of proof.
David J. Vorous
> In alt.flame.jesus.christ, David J. Vorous wrote...
Saturday, in the rain.
David J. Vorous
> ...
> I have never lied on usenet
If you have ever claimed that astrology is anything other than
a toy for teenagers, then you have lied.
David J. Vorous
> Baron Lurk wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 09 Jan 2003 05:35:18 -0000, el...@no.spam () wrote:
>>
>>
>>>In article <3E1D066...@thellamaranch.com>,
>>>David J. Vorous <da...@thellamaranch.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>It's obvious his planets don't complete their orbits.
>>>
>>>And his stars aren't exactly fusing hydrogen.
>>
>>More like methane, if you ask me.
>
>
> What a waste of a discussion medium.
Yes, you are.
el...@no.spam
Edmond Wollmann <arctur...@earthlink.net> lied again:
>I have never lied on usenet
Oh? Here's some:
"I have lied about nothing here in my 6 years in this group."
"I DO NOT HAVE A CRIMINAL RECORD." [Case Number: M758395 San Diego]
"Tell me people what court would find me guilty of ANYthing?"
"I am not a criminal, nor a freeloader"
"I am the most powerful intellectual giant to ever grace usenet."
"I am the richest, most successful person on the planet! Yeeeeeehaaaaaw!!!"
"I MADE NO ERRORS."
"I have never been incorrect. Nothing will be retracted."
"Orion is a star."
"DISCOVERY is for a criminal case idiot"
"Actually, I am quite respected and well liked."
"I was a hoodlum biker for years"
"I do not harass others"
"Its [sic] not me with OCD Ricky-its you spinics."
"I AM NOT HARRASSING ANYONE, you lying MFers!!!!"
"I am not interrested in killing accounts"
"a full force campaign to separate you from usenet will ensue"
"I have NEVER contradicted myself"
"I was an astrologer 1000 times in Babylon."
"I am the most stable person on the planet."
"We all 'deserve' happiness and abundance simply because we exist"
"I don't have "problems" in my world"
"I have no dirty hands, I was blackmailed, slandered, my work plagiarized
and someone evidently sent me that slut just to nose around."
"I am completely in control. There is no other way it CAN be-when you
transform you will discover this."
"Right and wrong are subjective value judgments."
"Sympathy is a wasted emotion"
"I do not need counseling."
"No one is censoring anyone"
"complaints to every governmental agency on the planet resumes."
"I am not opposed to off topic issues, this is natural and occurs often,
so I cannot chastise anyone for that"
"I do NOT spam, I do NOT abuse groups that I have no interest in and I
WILL NOT TOLERATE IT FROM OTHERS. PERIOD."
"You are off topic and will be reported to the ftc for your federal
criminal activity."
"I now withdraw from all interaction--internet or otherwise,
astrological work, astrological and metaphysical connections,
and my past in every way shape and form. I will release no more
work or articles and one more text--the revised version of my
first."
"I have defeated alll [sic] your arguments"
"I accidentally spammed"
"I am a good counselor WITHOUT any degree."
"I have no problems, only solutions."
"I don't sell out my awareness and knowlege FOR money."
"I only respond disruptively to disruptive posts off topic by spinics"
"I have more humor in my little Mercury in Gemini finger than you and
these abusers have ever seen."
"Your client continues to stalk, harass, belittle, abuse and denigrate.
Please take action."
"the difference between me nd you idiots is that I can get in a bar brawl
(I was a hoodlum biker for>years) down a 5th of Tequlia, kick the fuck
out of you, talk like this-AND STILL post something of value, counsel
persons and meitate [sic] on nature, and do a piece of art to find center."
"Abuser kicked off Pacbell.net, now spamming from Southwest Bell.net."
"Wrong. I am going to SUE THE FUCK OUT OF YOU."
"I will have absolutely 0 problem proving defamation."
"I'm telling the truth."
"I have a career."
"I have never failed anything"
"I AM THE FUTURE of astrology."
"Yes, that was the trigger for the 7.2 in Turkey on Friday the 12th."
"I ACCURATELY PREDICTED ALL DE-STRUCTURIZATION IN THE AREAS ILISTED."
"I am far more perceptive than you will ever give me credit for."
"SNIP! One of these will be posted to all 30,000 groups over the next
year."
"Anything I do is valuable."
"I don't need to "make" a living"
"I NEVER post off topic in alt.astrology.metapsych, the rest is
IIIIRRRREEEELLLLEEEEVVVVAAAANNNNTTTT."
"Supernews is going to lose their posting priviledges if I have anything
to do with it."
"Jack Bailey canceled my account for content of my posts he didn't like"
"You put this back over here again (to metapsych) you fucking bitch, and
I will send every post you make to abuse all over the net and then some."
"if the son of a bitch was in front of me he'd have some bones crushed
in his skull as well"
"I have defined it 100 times and lost my account at AOL for doing so"
"Masculine Men with testosterone levels high are prone to baldness--you
have plenty of hair I'd guess?"
"I am the skeptic. You are kooks. You stay on usenet to stalk people. You
are psychologically ill."
"I am the only expert in this area."
"this astrologer is so far above spinics that I would never dream of bowing to
them or their delusional focus on the worst of the world conventional thinking."
"Just come to my house punk, you have my address you have been spamming
for 3 years now. I know of many substations I will be more than glad to
drag you to in a citizens arrest-- with force if necessary.
I dare you, your knock on the door will be met with tresspassing and
stalking charges in a heartbeat."
"Rick Lazzarini still can't get over the fact that his women run to me."
"I *DO* have an interest in justice, this is why I stay."
"Planet X' existence has been known by some of us for a long time, it has
been named Nibiru."
"If I find that this post was canceled, I will be suing you for violating
my publishing companies copyright, got that ass hole?"
"you will not recognize usenet when I am finished"
"Bush will lose"
"You are a lying piece of garbage."
"Nope, one of the complaints of most women is that I am TOO charming."
"I was born to bring it fuull [sic] circle into credibility"
"I never plagiarized anything in my life"
"Anticipation of interaction with me is enough to make most women squishy"
"Problem is, Susan asked for it, I did nothing out of line."
"NASA is using the book heavily, they wrote me and said so."
"I don't try to "silence" (spin doctoring) anyone, I complain because you
are off topic"
"I love women! Hundreds!"
"FU, I will never talk to you again. Whoever you are."
"You will answer in court bitch."
"Alien "agendas" are primarily to aid and assist different
civilizations accelerate their consciousness."
"This case is going to be CAKE --someone's going to jail and then who
will be laughing KKKKKKKKOOOOOOOKKKKKKK???????????"
"Einstein's relativity theories, holographic and physics theories
validate astrology viability."
"Being overweight reflects over 'waiting'"
"This star is the center of many solar systems"
"You will pay in court bitch."
"You can have no clue as to my ual [sic] activity."
"Supernews is going to lose their posting priviledges if I have anything
to do with it."
"Aids is the dis-ease reflecting the inability or unwillingness of the
person to integrate the aspects of the feminine and the masculine."
"I am the ALPHA TROLL"
"I have made a LOT of women very happy."
el...@no.spam
Edmond Wollmann <arctur...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>What a waste of a discussion medium.
Feel free to leave.
DrPostman
in accordance with The Prophecy and "For Entertainment Purposes Only" availed us
of their wisdom with:
>I have never lied on usenet
On 26 Jun 2002 10:13:03 -0700, e...@astroconsulting.com (Edmond
Wollmann) wrote:
"Little do you know, you and the abusers were completely defeated about
5 months ago"
You're funny, dude.
--
Dr.Postman USPS, MBMC, BsD; "Disgruntled, But Unarmed"
Member,Board of Directors of afa-b, SKEP-TI-CULT® member #15-51506-253.
You can email me at: jamie_eckles(at)hotmail.com
"Your name is "Bruce," and my first name is also "Bruce.""
-Idiot The Bruce
el...@no.spam
SpÅmster <dont-...@email.com>wrote:
>>Yes, I can.
>Oh?
"I have lied about nothing here in my 6 years in this group."
-- Edmond Wollmann
SpÅmster
el...@no.spam wrote:
> In article <3E1D8CAA...@email.com>,
> SpÅmster <dont-...@email.com>wrote:
>
> >>>>It is my website, researched referenced and defendable.
>
> >>>Yes, but can you update it?
>
> >>Yes, I can.
>
> >**>>*UPDATED* 08/11/2002 07:51:35 AM <<**
>
> >Oh?
>
> "I have lied about nothing here in my 6 years in this group."
> -- Edmond Wollmann
>
SPNAK!!1!!
Bill Gates
"David J. Vorous" <> wrote
> If you have ever claimed that astrology is anything other than
> a toy for teenagers, then you have lied.
>
In absense of proof yes, with me offering to undergo a test
on unsenet that takes a few days and all skeptics running away, no.
Herc
David J. Vorous
> "David J. Vorous" <> wrote
>
>
>>If you have ever claimed that astrology is anything other than
>>a toy for teenagers, then you have lied.
>>
>
>
> on unsenet[sic] that takes a few days and all skeptics running away, no.
They're not running away, they're rolling on the floor with
laughter. We're talking about astrology, you know; that thing
with the stars and such. We're not talking about the fantasy
of psychic abilities.