Obama lost in every state requiring voter ID, and won only in those that did not.

[Too_Many_Tools]

No voter fraud here...

����������

[Arved Sandstrom]

On 12/31/2012 07:21 AM, Too_Many_Tools wrote:
> No voter fraud here...
>
Consult *any* record of which states were won by Obama. Compare that to
*any* record of which stats have voter ID requirements (e.g.
http://www.ncsl.org/legislatures-elections/elections/voter-id.aspx).

So where exactly did _you_ get the information that you're peddling as a
fact?

AHS

[Paul F Austin]

Yep. Florida, where I live, requires picture ID to vote (and has since
Bush-Gore 00) and still went for Obama both times.

Paul

[meport]

On 12/31/2012 6:21 AM, Too_Many_Tools wrote:
> No voter fraud here...
>
>
>

I guess that you are aware that the Democrats had, at last count, 10,000
buses, 28,000 trucks, 57,000 taxis, 250,000 cars, 1500 747's and other
assorted heavy hauling planes, 24 super cruise ships, every Amtrack rail
car, and the entire heavy hauling capacity of the Army, the Navy, the
Air Force and the Marine Corps hauling millions of people from place to
place so they could cast unregistered votes in the last election. I
read this in the "news of the world" last week when I was standing in
the check out line at the local supermarket. The story about the
unprincipled election trickery the Democrats used to insure that Obama
was reelected was just below the story about the little boy who was
forced to have a DNA analysis so his adopting parents could prove that
he was not Adolph Hitler's newly fathered love child and just above the
story about the woman who claimed that Elvis Presley was definitely the
father of her new child because she had been faithful to Elvis for the
past 35 years and there could not have been any other father other than
Elvis because Elvis was the only person she had slept with over all
these years. There was a picture of the baby and the striking likeness
to Elvis is unnerving.
--
---
meport

[Stumpy the REMF]

one finds it difficult to believe that DNA tests were available during the
childhood of anyone let alone any children Hitler spawned. now if that
woman that claimed Elvis was the father she sure had a long gestation
period. this rag is prolly reporting that docs are still doing alien
autopsies behind Dave's Styles and Profiles in Roswell NM

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[Gunner]

http://watchdog.org/59909/video-latest-voter-fraud-sting-nabs-son-of-long-serving-dem-congressman/

VA: Latest voter-fraud sting nabs son of long-serving Dem congressman


By Will Swaim | Watchdog.org

AS SEEN ON TV: Patrick Moran talks with an undercover reporter about
the best ways to commit voter fraud.

The son of a prominent Virginia congressman agreed to help an
undercover reporter forge documents in what he thought was an illegal
voting effort to re-elect the president, a just-published video
reveals.

After raising legal and practical concerns, Patrick Moran, son of
Virginia Democrat James Moran, encouraged the reporter to create phony
utility bills that would allow others to cast multiple votes in the
November 6 election.

Supporters of stronger voter ID laws seized on the video as evidence
of widespread corruption among liberal get-out-the-vote organizations.

�What he�s doing is soliciting fraudulent voter registrations and
fraudulent ballots, and that�s a federal crime,� said Hans von
Spakovsky, senior legal fellow at the Heritage Foundation in
Washington, D.C. �Even attempting to do that is federal crime � you
don�t have to go through with it. Attempting it is a crime.�

Von Spakovsky said he would to expect the U.S. attorney in Alexandria
to investigate.

But the video shows something else: In addition to possible election
fraud, the interaction at a restaurant near the Arlington County
Democratic Committee headquarters sheds light on a federal government
in which cash and favors flow between private corporations and
powerful lawmakers � and their children.

The undercover reporter was on assignment for Project Veritas, the
James O�Keefe-led organization whose other undercover videos include a
series that led to the collapse of ACORN, a prominent liberal
community organization, and more recently one that led to the firing
of an Obama campaign worker engaged in what appeared to be a
voter-fraud effort in Houston.

Video and a transcript reviewed by Watchdog.org reveal that Moran, who
works in an office shared with other Democratic campaigns including
the president�s re-election organization, tried several times to
persuade the undercover reporter to abandon the conspiracy as too
difficult and even dangerous, before offering to help in the effort.

YouTube

Saying he respected the undercover reporter�s �initiative,� Moran went
on to offer advice on circumventing Virginia election law.

�Realistically speaking what do you need to vote for � if you were to
go in and vote for someone else in Virginia, you go to the polling
place, you need either a utility bill,� Moran says.

At that point, the undercover reporter objects that a utility bill is
�going to be kind of hard to get.�

Moran replies that the reporter might need something less than that �
just �a name and an address, which I think would probably be easy.�

Armed with phony documents, Moran tells the reporter, fraudsters could
rely on the help of well-intentioned, highly motivated Democratic poll
watchers. On the one hand, Moran says, government poll workers will
�be cracking down� on voters who can�t prove they have the right to
vote. On the other, �You�ll have somebody in house that � if they feel
that what you have is legitimate � they�ll argue for you.�

BEHIND THE PROVOCATIVE VIDEO there�s a classic Washington story: a son
who, despite his relative youth, has leveraged his father�s powerful
contacts to create an impressive-sounding professional resume.


His father Jim Moran, a long-serving Democratic congressman from
Northern Virginia, is running for his 12th term against Republican
Patrick Murray.

Patrick�s Uncle Brian Moran � that would be Rep. Jim Moran�s brother �
chairs the Virginia Democratic Party and formerly served as minority
caucus chairman in the state�s House of Delegates. Elected to the
House in 1996, Moran stepped down to run for governor in 2009, but was
defeated in the Democratic primary.

Fourteen years younger than brother Jim, Brian comes off as less
overtly partisan. But a Republican delegate said his former House
colleague is no pushover politically. �He has a job to do and, as the
Democratic Party chair, he has to be their attack dog, so some
Republicans don�t like him.�

The Morans are a close-knit political family. Three years ago, Jim�s
congressional campaign gave $175,000 to �Virginians for Brian Moran,�
his brother�s gubernatorial campaign. Patrick�s sister, Mary Elise, is
her father�s campaign manager � Patrick�s boss in the organization
where Patrick is listed as campaign field director. Documents show he
has earned just $2,526 in that position.

But Patrick Moran�s online profile suggests he�s more than just his
dad�s campaign worker. On his Linkedin profile, the younger Moran says
he�s a graduate of the Maryland prep school Chopticon and Yale
University�s class of 2012. More notably, he says he works as a staff
adviser for Deloitte, serving since May 2009 in the high-octane
management consultancy�s federal government-relations division. The
same profile lists Arlington-based BAE Systems as a previous employer.
Formerly British Aerospace Engineering, BAE is a major Pentagon
contractor.

The Deloitte and BAE connections are compelling for a number of
reasons. Both companies have contributed to his father�s congressional
campaigns, perhaps recognizing Jim Moran�s key role on the Defense
subcommittee in the House of Representatives and as a ranking member
of the subcommittee on Interior, Environment, and Related Agencies.
According to federal documents, Deloitte has contributed $41,000 to
Jim Moran�s campaigns.

Then, there�s Patrick�s youth: if his Linkedin profile is correct, he
went to work for Deloitte when he was just 20 years old and still in
college. And if, as his profile claims, he�s still working for
Deloitte today, he�s got remarkable energy even for a 23-year-old
ex-varsity football player: despite the demands of working for
Deloitte and on his father�s campaign, the same Linkedin profile
asserts that he works as a bouncer at an Arlington nightclub.

But the Deloitte gig seems unlikely to be quite the fulltime position
the younger Moran makes of it on Linkedin. In his profile on the
Arlington Young Democrats website, where Moran holds down yet another
post � he�s that group�s political director � Moran mentions his work
with Deloitte in a way that fudges the relationship, making it seem
possible that it was a series of summer internships.

Jim Moran for Congress spokesperson Austin Durrer said Patrick�s job
at Deloitte was an unpaid college internship. The BEA listing, he
says, refers to Patrick�s internship with the defense contractor while
a high school sophomore.

A spokesperson for Deloitte said the company would not comment on
employees, not even to confirm dates of employment. BEA Systems did
not respond to requests for comment.

[UPDATE: 7:04 pm Eastern: A Deloitte spokesperson emailed Watchdog:
"We can confirm that Patrick Moran does not work at Deloitte. He was
an intern at Deloitte LLP for a number of months while in college."]

Dig deeper than the Linkedin profile, and there�s the hint of a family
with radically fluctuating finances.

A ONE-TIME STOCKBROKER, Rep. Moran continued investing after his 1991
election to the House of Representatives. One of his former wives
reportedly described his trading behavior as �stock market gambling.�

In his most controversial stock market trades, Moran made more than 90
trades in 2008 after attending a secret Federal Reserve briefing
warning of an impending worldwide financial crisis. The holdings Moran
disclosed in 2008 included stock in General Dynamics and BAE Systems,
which both received earmarks requested by Moran that year, according
to financial and earmark disclosure records. The earmarks were for
$1.6 million each.

�It�s an unbelievable fabrication of the truth,� said Durrer, the
congressman�s campaign spokesperson. �The financial holdings belonged
to his wife. Her broker managed and sold off the portfolio. (Moran)
was never in the room.�

Moran�s problems are often like that, a result of mixing money and
politics followed by Moran�s claim that the charges are lies spread by
his political opponents.

In the most notorious case, the New York Times reported that MBNA bank
lent him $447,500 in 1998 to refinance his personal credit card debt �
at the same time the bank was pushing a bill on bankruptcy reform. A
year later he accepted a $25,000 line of credit from Schering-Plough
before co-sponsoring a bill involving the drug maker. Moran also
accepted a $50,000 loan from a top AOL official while the company had
legislation pending.

Despite the ambitious financial activity, a recent Washington Post
analysis calculated that Moran�s total wealth is among the lowest in
congress � just $266,507 in 2010. Last month, the Northern Virginia
website ARLnow.com noted that the 11-term congressman �recently
divorced from third wife LuAnn Bennett, lives with his son Patrick in
a two-bedroom apartment in Shirlington.�

�Jim Moran remains a popular figure in his Democratic-leaning district
despite a succession of gaffes and questions about his finances,� the
Wall Street Journal recently wrote.

The gaffes include a failed mass-transit initiative Moran sponsored.

�Moran defended in early 2009 his acquisition of $2 million in
congressional earmarks to create a fleet of electric buses to ease
congestion in the Washington suburb of Falls Church, Va.,� the Journal
reported. �The city ended up with diesel buses instead, usage was half
what was expected, and taxpayers had to subsidize the service at $8 a
ride.�

�We gave it our best shot,� Moran said. �That doesn�t mean it wasn�t a
good idea.�

Then, too, there was Moran�s odd about-face on government
identification. At a town hall meeting on health care reform, a
combative Moran asked a participant to show his ID before Moran would
answer his question. Ironically, Moran was one of 15 Democrats
sponsoring a federal bill to repeal state and local voter ID laws.
Moran later apologized.

A LITTLE MORE than a week before O�Keefe released his undercover
video, James and Brian Moran, the congressman�s brother and the state
Democratic Party chair, turned up at an Obama for America office in
Mount Vernon to fire up volunteers preparing to register voters in
advance of the state deadline.

After the event, former Michigan governor Jennifer Granholm, who
joined the pair, told a reporter, �What I said in there, Northern
Virginia � Virginia overall � is unbelievably important to the
country. That�s why I said, �Send me where it�s most important for
people to vote.� They sent us here because this place is the epicenter
of the political universe now and people have to get out and vote.
They just have to because the future that they have depends on what
happens in Virginia.�

There are many such centers of the universe, of course. But Granholm�s
assertions aren�t simply hyperbole, and they may explain why a Yale
graduate with a powerful father would find himself at the center of a
widening vote-fraud scandal.

Additional reporting by Earl Glynn, Tori Richards and Kenric Ward.
Contact Will Swaim at wsw...@watchdog.org.
The methodology of the left has always been:

1. Lie
2. Repeat the lie as many times as possible
3. Have as many people repeat the lie as often as possible
4. Eventually, the uninformed believe the lie
5. The lie will then be made into some form oflaw
6. Then everyone must conform to the lie

[Daryl]

Or how to throw a perfectly good election in the dumpster.

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I was astounded that Romney didn't whimper,
or contest the Obama thug election. Think O
has some "dirt" on Romney?

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[tutall]

On Jan 1, 9:48 pm, Gunner <gunnera...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 01 Jan 2013 21:49:19 -0500, meport <dog...@wedid.com> wrote:

> http://watchdog.org/59909/video-latest-voter-fraud-sting-nabs-son-of-...

>
> VA: Latest voter-fraud sting nabs son of long-serving Dem congressman

Oh, an O'Keefe production. Yeah, those are reliable, and never heavily
edited bullshit.


Funny how when serving politicians who've pushed through voter ID laws
come right out and admit it's intended as voter suppression the
wingnuts don't say a peep.

Real people, real laws passed, real actions.

[Gunner]

On Wed, 2 Jan 2013 06:53:22 -0800 (PST), tutall <tut...@hotmail.com>
wrote:

Sure they do. Unfortunately..Democrats commit voter fraud.

http://www.newsnet14.com/?p=92957

52 DEMOCRATS Arrested and/or Convicted of Voter Fraud so far and Race
or the N.A.A.C.P. Wasn’t an Issue



Proof that voter ID is needed to keep our elections legitimate and
fair. Our elected leaders should be elected fairly by the people and
not by the minority voting in names that are not theirs.

This is how the democratic party stays in power and why they do not
listen to the people when they are in power because they know they are
guaranteed to win no matter how they perform their duties. God help
this country!
8 Arrested for Absentee Voter Fraud in Madison County, Florida

Democrats ~ Jada Woods Williams and Abra Hill Johnson

I am not sure how I missed this one, but here is one to add to the
growing list of individuals arrested for actual voter fraud- meaning
they voted more than once in an given election.

The NAACP is up in arms over the arrests saying the FBI is some how
suppressing minority voters by arresting and charging minorities for
actually illegally voting.
7 Democrats Arrested in New York for actual Voter Fraud via Absentee
Ballots

Democrats arrested, charged and 4 plead guilty to actual voter fraud
in New York via absentee ballots!
12 Democrats have been Charged in Georgia for Absentee Ballot Voter
Fraud

NAACP Executive Sentence to 10 Years in Prison for Voting for Obama 10
Times in 2008

While NAACP President Benjamin Jealous lashed out at new state laws
requiring photo ID for voting, an NAACP executive sits in prison,
sentenced for carrying out a massive voter fraud scheme.

In April 2011, a Tunica County, Miss., jury convicted NAACP official
Lessadolla Sowers on 10 counts of fraudulently casting absentee
ballots.
4 Wake County, North Carolina Democrats have Admitted to Voting for
Obama TWICE Each in 2008

Daytona Beach City Democrat Commissioner and his Campaign Manager
arrested for Absentee Ballot Voter Fraud

etc etc etc

Now..you were spewing what again?

Gunner

[Keith W]

Gunner wrote:
> On Wed, 2 Jan 2013 06:53:22 -0800 (PST), tutall <tut...@hotmail.com>
>
>

> Sure they do. Unfortunately..Democrats commit voter fraud.
>

As do factions in every other party in any democratic country. The true
measure of the problem anywhere is whether the courts prosecute
those found. In established democracies such as the USA, Canada,
Australia, the UK and most of Western Europe they do so.

The first instances of voter fraud occurred shortly after somebody
announced the first election. We know it was a problem in
Ancient Greece and Rome.

Keith

[Gunner]

And yet the Democratic Party is still not illegal? As you said..they
are historically corrupt.

[peter skelton]

"Gunner" wrote in message
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The methodology of the right is to loudly accuse the left of
whatever dishonesty they are indulging in.

[Jeffrey Hamilton]

I wouldn't say that, Paul, the SUPREME COURT evidently decided differently,
when it was Bush 2 against Gore.


cheers....Jeff

[Keith W]

Gunner wrote:
> On Wed, 2 Jan 2013 19:31:54 -0000, "Keith W"
> <keithnosp...@demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> Gunner wrote:
>>> On Wed, 2 Jan 2013 06:53:22 -0800 (PST), tutall <tut...@hotmail.com>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sure they do. Unfortunately..Democrats commit voter fraud.
>>>
>>
>> As do factions in every other party in any democratic country. The
>> true measure of the problem anywhere is whether the courts prosecute
>> those found. In established democracies such as the USA, Canada,
>> Australia, the UK and most of Western Europe they do so.
>>
>> The first instances of voter fraud occurred shortly after somebody
>> announced the first election. We know it was a problem in
>> Ancient Greece and Rome.
>>
>> Keith
>>
>
> And yet the Democratic Party is still not illegal? As you said..they
> are historically corrupt.
>

No I said elements of all parties are historically corrupt,
something you seem too dim to understand

Keith

[Jeffrey Hamilton]

THE DEMOCRATS HAD ?

Are you kidding me ?

cheers....Jeff

[Gunner]

Thank you for verifying the accuracy of my sig.

[Gunner]

On Wed, 2 Jan 2013 23:41:40 -0000, "Keith W"

Odd...so how many Republicans have been arrested for voter fraud in
the last 2 yrs?

http://eastaustinvoice.wordpress.com/2012/01/20/democrats-arrested-andor-convicted-of-voter-fraud-specfriggintaculars-blog/

Thats simply (1) of 677.000 hits on Google.

Want more?

[tutall]

On Jan 2, 5:14 pm, Gunner <gunnera...@gmail.com> wrote:

> The methodology of the left has always been:
>
> 1. Lie
> 2. Repeat the lie as many times as possible
> 3. Have as many people repeat the lie as often as possible
> 4. Eventually, the uninformed believe the lie
> 5. The lie will then be made into some form oflaw

> 6. Then everyone must conform to the lie- Hide quoted text -
>

Rovian projection there Gunner. This is however exactly what the RW
media has been doing to it's followers.

Recent, very obvious data point: Complete suprise that Obama won by
most inside this *dis*information bubble.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but for some wierd reason,
many wingnuts seem to beleive they are entitled to their own reality.

[Gunner]

On Wed, 2 Jan 2013 19:07:38 -0800 (PST), tutall <tut...@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>On Jan 2, 5:14 pm, Gunner <gunnera...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> The methodology of the left has always been:
>>
>> 1. Lie
>> 2. Repeat the lie as many times as possible
>> 3. Have as many people repeat the lie as often as possible
>> 4. Eventually, the uninformed believe the lie
>> 5. The lie will then be made into some form oflaw
>> 6. Then everyone must conform to the lie- Hide quoted text -
>>
>
>Rovian projection there Gunner. This is however exactly what the RW
>media has been doing to it's followers.
>
>Recent, very obvious data point: Complete suprise that Obama won by
>most inside this *dis*information bubble.

The reason the Obamassiah won, was widespread voter fraud. Nothing
more, nothing less.

>
>Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but for some wierd reason,
>many wingnuts seem to beleive they are entitled to their own reality.

Of course you are talking about Leftwing nuts one assumes?

My sig fits them well.

<VBG>

Gunner

[Daryl]

On 1/3/2013 12:21 AM, Gunner wrote:
> On Wed, 2 Jan 2013 19:07:38 -0800 (PST), tutall <tut...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On Jan 2, 5:14 pm, Gunner <gunnera...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> The methodology of the left has always been:
>>>
>>> 1. Lie
>>> 2. Repeat the lie as many times as possible
>>> 3. Have as many people repeat the lie as often as possible
>>> 4. Eventually, the uninformed believe the lie
>>> 5. The lie will then be made into some form oflaw
>>> 6. Then everyone must conform to the lie- Hide quoted text -
>>>
>>
>> Rovian projection there Gunner. This is however exactly what the RW
>> media has been doing to it's followers.
>>
>> Recent, very obvious data point: Complete suprise that Obama won by
>> most inside this *dis*information bubble.
>
> The reason the Obamassiah won, was widespread voter fraud. Nothing
> more, nothing less.

If you can prove this then I, for one, will whole heartedly back
proceduting the guilty part to the maximum of the law. If you
can't, get over it, Romney lost. And the votes weren't really
for Obama but against Romney. Present a decent candidate without
the circus attached to it. Then, the Reps get my vote. But
presenting Romney is like the Dems presenting Gore and others. I
didn't vote for Bush twice, I voted against the two clowns that
ran against him.

>
>>
>> Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but for some wierd reason,
>> many wingnuts seem to beleive they are entitled to their own reality.
>
> Of course you are talking about Leftwing nuts one assumes?
>
> My sig fits them well.

It fits every politician of every party.

>
> <VBG>
>
> Gunner
>
>>
>>
>>
>
> The methodology of the left has always been:
>
> 1. Lie
> 2. Repeat the lie as many times as possible
> 3. Have as many people repeat the lie as often as possible
> 4. Eventually, the uninformed believe the lie
> 5. The lie will then be made into some form oflaw
> 6. Then everyone must conform to the lie
>

And the Right as well.

[Gunner]

On Thu, 03 Jan 2013 01:03:25 -0700, Daryl <dh...@nospami70west3.com>
wrote:

Your opinion is indeed, noted.

[Daryl]

> The methodology of the right has always been:

>
> 1. Lie
> 2. Repeat the lie as many times as possible
> 3. Have as many people repeat the lie as often as possible
> 4. Eventually, the uninformed believe the lie
> 5. The lie will then be made into some form oflaw
> 6. Then everyone must conform to the lie
>

There I fixed it.

Daryl'

[Gunner]

On Thu, 03 Jan 2013 02:35:50 -0700, Daryl <dh...@nospami70west3.com>

And you once again...showed the accuracy of the original sig.

Thank you Lefty!!
Gunner

[Daryl]

There, I fixed your typo once again. BTW, I voted for Bush twice
because the two clowns he ran against were just that. If you are
right of me, you must be goose stepping pretty hard.

[Gunner]

On Thu, 03 Jan 2013 12:49:49 -0700, Daryl <dh...@nospami70west3.com>

Thanks again!!

Gunner

[Daryl]

And thank you.

[Gunner]

On Thu, 03 Jan 2013 14:56:20 -0700, Daryl <dh...@nospami70west3.com>

Thanks again, you low life lying lefty!!

<VBG>

Gunner

[peter skelton]

"Gunner" wrote in message
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You have to go #2? It's polite to leave the room first.

[Gunner]

Smells like some of you Lefties waited around a bit too long
....peeehwuuuuuu!

[Daryl]

I'm a Leftie? Wow, whodathink that. Thank you for pointing that
out to me. Guess I never learned how to properly goose step and
never will. If everyone that doesn't think like you are lefties
that means 98% of the population are all lefties. And that was
dis-proven when 46% of the voters did not vote for Obama. Many
(including me) didn't vote for Obama, we voted against Romney.
And that phenomena got Bush 2 terms as well.

For the next 2 years, we are stuck with extremists in the House
that really need to go. Even Rep. John Boehner and the majority
of the Republicans can't handle those folks. Some were weeded out
though. This is why Rep. John Boehner decided to postpone voting
until after the new batch comes in. Some of the "Party of NO"
has been replaced by Republicans that play well with others.

And, according to you, this new flock of Republicans are lefties.
Well, compared to you, they might be listed that way. Sort of
being considered South if you are more than 5 feet from the North
Pole.

But, have heart, as usual, things do get fixed by the voters
sooner or later.

[pyotr filipivich]

Gunner <gunne...@gmail.com> on Wed, 02 Jan 2013 23:21:33 -0800 typed
in misc.survivalism the following:

>On Wed, 2 Jan 2013 19:07:38 -0800 (PST), tutall <tut...@hotmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On Jan 2, 5:14 pm, Gunner <gunnera...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> The methodology of the left has always been:
>>>
>>> 1. Lie
>>> 2. Repeat the lie as many times as possible
>>> 3. Have as many people repeat the lie as often as possible
>>> 4. Eventually, the uninformed believe the lie
>>> 5. The lie will then be made into some form oflaw
>>> 6. Then everyone must conform to the lie- Hide quoted text -
>>>
>>
>>Rovian projection there Gunner. This is however exactly what the RW
>>media has been doing to it's followers.
>>
>>Recent, very obvious data point: Complete suprise that Obama won by
>>most inside this *dis*information bubble.
>
>The reason the Obamassiah won, was widespread voter fraud. Nothing
>more, nothing less.

And a lot of those who had voted for McCain, didn't vote in this
election.
Not to mention those who voted "Present" because they opposed
having the Republican Candidate in the White House.
--
pyotr filipivich
Question for the gun Control advocates, "Do you agree with
this statement?"
"I would rather have a society without guns, even if it
means that people cannot defend themselves against murder
(with other weapons), rape, robbery, and assault. I would
rather make everyone defenseless than have to endure the
mass shootings that occasionally occur. If that means that
many more people, (particularly the old, the weak, and the
infirm) are subjected to these violent crimes, then so be
it. They'll just have to suffer more. I do claim the power
to dictate whether or not others are able to defend themselves."