Marine Corps General Reinwald's snappy comeback :-)
BillB (NC/FL)
and you have to read his reply to the lady who interviewed him concerning
guns and children. Regardless of how you feel about gun laws you gotta love
this!!!!
This is one of the best comeback lines of all time. It is a portion of a
National Public Radio (NPR) interview between a female broadcaster and US
Marine Corps General Reinwald who was about to sponsor a Boy Scout Troop
visiting his military installation.
FEMALE INTERVIEWER: So, General Reinwald, what things are you going to teach
these young boys when they visit your base?
GENERAL REINWALD: We're going to teach them climbing, canoeing, archery, and
shooting.
FEMALE INTERVIEWER: Shooting! That's a bit irresponsible, isn't it?
GENERAL REINWALD: I don't see why; they'll be properly supervised on the
rifle range.
FEMALE INTERVIEWER: Don't you admit that this is a terribly dangerous
activity to be teaching children?
GENERAL REINWALD: I don't see how. We will be teaching them proper rifle
discipline before they even touch a firearm.
FEMALE INTERVIEWER: But you're equipping them to become violent killers.
GENERAL REINWALD: Well, you're equipped to be a prostitute, but you're not
one, are you?
The radio went silent and the interview ended. All over America, people were
thinking:
Semper Fi !
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BillB (NC/FL)
Nobody can be just like me. Even I have trouble doing it.
Kelly Petit
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Baba Mung
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> Kelly
>
Well, I suppose there are a variety of things we can teach children
happy in the thought that they won't necessarily use the knowledge
or skills we impart. I wonder how early in life General Reinwald
learned to be needlessly offensive.
Baba
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Personally, I've even always been opposed to toy guns. I preferred letting my children play
with Lego toys, playmobiles and the likes.
kelly
Fair Dinkum
>
>Did he ever? -;)
>Personally, I've even always been opposed to toy guns. I preferred letting my
>children play
>with Lego toys, playmobiles and the likes.
>kelly
>
>
They learn to make a fist soon enough without instruction.
By age 12 or sooner, peers and secular "entertainment" will have them
knowledgeable about sex, guns, drugs, and just about everything else.
You cannot shut your children out of the world, only try to prepare
them to live in it.
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Bobbie.
B;-)
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with my kids and so far it's worked well.
kelly
Marian
smart over there to hire someone this clueless...
Marian
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turned off by the militarism and god-bothering of it all and passed on the
experience. There weren't guns in the houses his father & I grew up in, so he
never had that experience either. And his own household doesn't have them
today.
Marian<one merkin's story about guns & boys>
Jan
Baba,
Please explain further why you found General Reinwald's response to be offensive. In my opinion,
the person who was offensive was the person conducting the interview who tried to use her position
to advance a totally spurious agenda of her own. In addition she attempted to cause embarrassment
to a guest on a radio show and was presumably trying to "score" brownie points.
She got exactly what she deserved, no more, no less and with a little luck she will have learned a
lesson she will never forget.
Jan (Who thanks Bill for the post, I had a good laugh)
"If you can't take a joke, you shouldn't have joined"
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prostitutes just because they're women, I find it very offensive and if I still were a
suffragette, I'd be furious with such an answer. Sure she could have asked her question
differently too.
Kelly
dae
Kelly,
With all the talk of LOTES on this Group over the years I don't see how this
story can raise your ire so much. I think Jan is right, don't tread in
unknown waters or hotshot if you don't want to get burned. Especially if
you are grilling (or interviewing) a Marine Corps General. Those dudes have
been around the block more than a few times.
Don (Prone)
Jan
Well now Kelly, if we are going to bring in the sexist angle then *I* find it extremely offensive
for the interviewer to have stated, "But you're equipping them to become violent
killers." Thereby implying that boy-scouts (male) after a day or two on the ranges would become
killers, would she have said the same thing if it had been girl-scouts involved, I think not. Once
again I state, a completely spurious argument to fulfill her own political agenda.
I see this on a par with Sir Winston Churchill's reply to Lady Astor (I believe) when she said to
him, "Mr. Churchill, you're drunk", and he replied, "And you madam are ugly, but in the morning I'll
be sober." <g>
Jan (Who is not politically correct and loves the quick come-back <g>)
Robert W. McKibben
Robert
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have anything to do with. If he'd been a bit smarter, he'd have said something else. But then,
what could you expect?
kelly
Kelly Petit
that boy scouts should necessarily be taught to handle arms though.
Kelly
Kelly Petit
Kelly <g>
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Dennis
>
><snippage of interview>
>> > Personally, I think that his reply was really very sexist. Understated all
>> women could become
>> > prostitutes just because they're women, I find it very offensive and if I
>> still were a
>> > suffragette, I'd be furious with such an answer. Sure she could have asked
>> her question
>> > differently too.
>> > Kelly
>>
>> Kelly,
>>
>> With all the talk of LOTES on this Group over the years I don't see how this
>> story can raise your ire so much. I think Jan is right, don't tread in
>> unknown waters or hotshot if you don't want to get burned. Especially if
>> you are grilling (or interviewing) a Marine Corps General. Those dudes have
>> been around the block more than a few times.
>>
>> Don (Prone)
>>
>That's no doubt true, Don. But still I think that it shows he's not the kind of guy that I'd
>have anything to do with. If he'd been a bit smarter, he'd have said something else. But then,
>what could you expect?
>kelly
>----------------
Just a couple of personal notes here, Kelly and Don. My Dad was a career U.S.
Army Officer. He was an Infantry officer, not an office type. He was a full
colonel when he retired at the age of 53 and had seen service in WW II and two
tours in Korea. His last job was in the Pentagon where, among other things, he
participated in meetings of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, who brief the President
daily. To judge the intelligence of one of these "types" of individuals based
upon their performance in a radio or television interview would, IMHO, be doing
them a disservice. They don't think the same way civilians, especially media
types, do. Although I can not imagine my own Dad ever saying anything like the
General did I can very easily understand the General's point of view.
Civilians, especially American civilians, want everything all tidy and neat.
They want the military, when they really need them, to protect them but they
want them to be nice guys and always act like civilians. They are NOT civilians
folks, they are WARRIORS and they must think as warriors or they will be
vulnerable. And any vulnerability of theirs is one of ours. That sort of
thinking gets handed down and, as the offspring of such an officer, it has been
one of my challenges in life; to be a civilian-civilian. The lessons my Dad
taught us were based on a need to survive and prevail. Not a need to be nice
when someone pushed their agenda upon you. And I don't really think I want our
military leaders to be anything else. The man is a soldier, Kelly, not a
chauvanist. (although, he may be that, too). He will always respond as a
soldier. He sees and hears everything as a soldier. It is not unreasonable to
believe that a female officer might have made a similar comment to the
interviewer. This is not to suggest that diplomacy has no place in the lexicon
of a soldier. This was simply not a time or occasion for diplomacy.
On a related note; Do you see all the stuff these high ranking military figures
have all over their uniforms? And have you noted their age? While all that
stuff may seem like so many gee-gaws to some of us, the fact remains, these
people have paid some very heavy dues to earn their gee-gaws. You get your ass
shot off and you get a little ribbon and medal. Then, after you have them all
over your chest, each one representing some feat of courage and sacrifice, some
body with a degree in journalism jacks you up in public because you don't act
like a civilian. I would like to know who the hell some of these journalists
think they are? Give me a dog-face or a leatherneck, a swab or a wing-nut over
a journalist every time.
Rant over.
Peace, Dennis
>
Marian
Marian<LOL!>
>Kelly,
>
>With all the talk of LOTES on this Group over the years I don't see how this
>story can raise your ire so much. I think Jan is right, don't tread in
>unknown waters or hotshot if you don't want to get burned. Especially if
>you are grilling (or interviewing) a Marine Corps General. Those dudes have
>been around the block more than a few times.
>
>Don (Prone)
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Robert
dae
More than you do I would suspect, simpleton.
Don (Prone:-((
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> No Mam, I am not referring to anyone in particular.
> Robert
Oh, I'm really relieved! <g>
kelly
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that reason, he could have been anyone as far as I am concerned. I was thinking of him as a man
responding to a woman.
My own father in law was an officer in the French army, he spent 16 years outside France -
mostly in the Arabic world and Africa. He got the 'la légion d'honneur' at the age of 51 and it
was surely not because he'd been sitting on his back all those years. Although he was a soldier
and used to commanding others, he was still polite and especially so towards women.
Kelly-:)
Jan
>
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>> >> >> > FEMALE INTERVIEWER: So, General Reinwald, what things are you
>> >> >going to teach
>> >> >> > these young boys when they visit your base?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > GENERAL REINWALD: We're going to teach them climbing, canoeing,
>> >> >archery, and shooting.
>> >> >> >
<Further hacking for bandwidth>
>>
>> Well now Kelly, if we are going to bring in the sexist angle then *I* find it extremely
>offensive
>> for the interviewer to have stated, "But you're equipping them to become violent
>> killers." Thereby implying that boy-scouts (male) after a day or two on the ranges would
>become
>> killers, would she have said the same thing if it had been girl-scouts involved, I think not.
>Once
>> again I state, a completely spurious argument to fulfill her own political agenda.
>> I see this on a par with Sir Winston Churchill's reply to Lady Astor (I believe) when she
>said to
>> him, "Mr. Churchill, you're drunk", and he replied, "And you madam are ugly, but in the
>morning I'll
>> be sober." <g>
>>
>> Jan (Who is not politically correct and loves the quick come-back <g>)
>> "If you can't take a joke, you shouldn't have joined"
>That was a very smart answer that really makes me laugh - I mean Churchill's. I don't think
>that boy scouts should necessarily be taught to handle arms though.
>Kelly
>
Kelly, I'm glad you enjoyed Churchill's response. <g>
From what I read in the post, the boys would be shown rock-climbing (which could be considered
dangerous), archery (which, after all is one step prior to fire-arms) and canoeing, (which could
also be considered dangerous).
We may forever disagree on the shooting part. <g> My feelings on the subject are that it is the
opportunity of exposure to an experience under very controlled conditions which would show the boys
why it is necessary to be careful around weapons of any description and also fulfill a desire to
shoot at targets. I think most boys would leap at the chance to shoot at targets on an army
firing-range, and, if, in the process, learn that these things can be lethal and the results may not
be like those portrayed by TV or Hollywood, then this is to the good.
As you may have gathered from some of my previous posts, I am *not* an advocate of gun ownership,
however, having spent many hours on various ranges in competition shooting and knowing the thrill of
winning, I would never deny anyone the opportunity of trying it for themselves.
Another Churchill quote to finish <g>. Within Parliament it is not permitted for one member to call
another member a liar. On one occasion, Churchill's response to a member of the opposition was,
"Mr. Speaker, the Honourable Member's concept of the truth is akin to the average alley cat's
concept of morals"
Jan (Who still respects your opinion)
Kelly Petit
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Marian
Marian<G>
>Marian,
>
>More than you do I would suspect, simpleton.
>Don (Prone:-((
>> And YOU do know so very much about this...Don't you, General?
Dennis
That has been my experience with most of the officers I have known, too, Kelly.
And, I didn't mean to offer the fact that he's a soldier as an excuse for poor
manners or discourtesy. More as a personal point of view regarding the mind-set
of the people who are planning and conducting a war. My Dad was the consummate
gentleman towards all others. Very courtly in his manners towards women.
BUT!!! LOL! But, if he were involved in an operation such as our (World's)
military leaders are now facing, his manners may have taken a second seat to
some other criteria. I didn't think you were criticizing his "soldierliness"
Kelly. As you said, if you were still involved in women's issues you would have
a somewhat different criteria. I think, if all he was involved with was public
relations, he should certainly be expected to smooth his rough spots out a bit.
OTOH, a PR specialist is usually not going to know much about the military point
of view. It's all good. <g>
Peace, Dennis
>
Kelly Petit
I think I'll surprise you when I say that I learnt to shoot with a rifle when I was about 11-;)
I've not practised much since I married though, but occasionally I've had a go at it. I'm
terrible now and would really be a danger if I ever had to go hunting to survive.
My father brought me along with him. I'm not against hunting either. What I really am against
is all these toy guns they have and military toys.
Boys will be boys...
and Churchill was just terrific-:)
Kelly
Kelly Petit
I'm glad to hear that we partly agree-;)
OTOH, talking about that journalist again, I was a bit disappointed she didn't quickly come up
with a good reply to that as he seemed to know what he was talking about <g>
kelly
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was going to arrest the woman in a boat with her fishing rod, even
though she was not fishing, because she had no fishing license. So
she yelled, "rape." because he had the equipment for that?
Blake
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Robert :)
Marian
story, I don't believe any reporter, much less one from the NPR, would be so
stupid as to come up with that comic dialogue.
On the other hand, I remember a couple of stories some months ago in the
now-defunct Brill's Content that spoke of the generalized, abysmal ignorance of
most journalists about all things military, due to the fact that military
service is so rare nowadays. Very few working journalists have ANY military
experience and their reporting shows it.
Makes it even more important to pick our source for news very carefully...
Marian
Dennis
would make you dizzy. And I have often wondered if journalists have much of an
understanding about anything they write now. Ratings are the key to their
employment. If the American public demonstrates they can't or won't digest the
truth without spin, then publishers take note of it. And staffwriters and
reporters take note of who signs the paycheck. It IS difficult to imagine an
NPR reporter as succumbing to that, though.
Peace, Dennis
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In article <20011025070952...@mb-mo.aol.com>, Marian says...
Vickie
>Date: 10/25/01
[GENERAL REINWALD: Well, you're equipped to be a prostitute, but you're not
one, are you?]
>Once again I have to say that while there is probably a grain of truth in
>that
>story, I don't believe any reporter, much less one from the NPR, would be so
>stupid as to come up with that comic dialogue.
It's an Urban Myth. Two things bothered me about this story. One--I've listened
to NPR for eons and they're always fine reporters, they'd never color an
interview with their opinions. Two--The General's remark was very sexist
(reducing a woman to her genitals). I have several army careerists in my family
and they would never be so crude in public (but watch out in private<G>).
Here is what NPR says:
"We are aware of an erroneous story posted on the Free Republic Website, and
possibly elsewhere, which mentions a supposed interview between an unnamed NPR
reporter and a U.S Army Lieutenant General Reinwald. The story is false -- the
dialogue mentioned was not an NPR interview, and it never aired on any NPR
program."
Here is what the urban myth people say:
"As great a tale as this is, it's pure fabrication. The U.S. Army denies that
there is a Lieutenant General Reinwald and chalks the whole thing up as a hoax.
(Which is as logic dictated all along; if an Army spokesperson ever gave voice
to a sexist remark likening a female interviewer to a prostitute, that officer
would soon be called upon to make a very public apology as well as face charges
within ranks for conduct unbecoming.)"
It can all be seen here:
http://www.snopes2.com/military/reinwald.htm
Vickie
Kelly Petit
I also thought it was too sexist...
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