Terrorism is not new
Normandy
to overthrow Roman rule by murder and assassination.
Modern terrorism started in Tsarist Russia in the 1870s.
Terrorist tactics in the Ottoman and British empire and by anarchists in
the United States and Western Europe. Late nineteenth- and
early-twentieth-century terrorism typically took the form of assassination
attempts on heads of state and bomb attacks on public buildings. Between
1880, the president of France, a Spanish prime minister, an Austrian
empress, an Italian king, and two U.S. presidents were assassinated.
Attempts were also made on the life of a German chancellor and emperor.
In 2002 a student with ties to Neo-Nazi groups tried to assassinate French
President Jacques Chirac in Paris during Bastille Day celebrations.
Sinclair
pijoe
Islamic terrorism started with the Barbary Pirates until the Marines
under Lt. Presley O'Banion invaded Tripoli and freed the hostages. This
is the origin of the Mameluke sword, still worn by Marine officers today.
Normandy
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From the halls of Montezuma, to the shores of Tripoli,
Long before the Barbary Pirates Sunni and Shia Muslims have been killing in
terrorist acts each other since the death of Mohammed. Jihad originated
1400 years ago and pre Muslim Arabs were the first nation to be traumatised
by Islam. The Arabs were not given the choice of paying Jaziya and remaining
non-Muslim pre Muslim Arabs only choice, Islam or Death
Islam ruled a large part of the world and Muslims had spread out of the
Middle East and moved across Europe, conquering all in their path. At Islam's
pinnacle, the Ottoman Empire stretched from Egypt to the Black Sea and from
the Persian Gulf to Hungary.
As the world modernized around them, the Islamic leaders refused to move
forward with the rest of the world. Firmly believing in Islamic superiority,
the pompous ruling class of religious leaders planted the seeds of hatred
towards the West. The ruling Islamic religious leaders believed western
inventions were evil things created by evil and inferior peoples.
I am against all forms of fanaticism religious and non-religious. The
emotional appeal of non-religious fanaticism like Nazism, Fascism or
Communism is not as pervasive as that of fanaticism based on religion. When
fanaticism and religion are mixed, we have a very potent and dangerous
cocktail that can sustain itself for centuries
Sinclair
Charlie
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Does history give us any examples of religeous fanaticism coming to an
end in any territory because the invaded people were nice?
Charlie
Normandy
> I am against all forms of fanaticism religious and non-religious. The
> emotional appeal of non-religious fanaticism like Nazism, Fascism or
> Communism is not as pervasive as that of fanaticism based on religion.
> When
> fanaticism and religion are mixed, we have a very potent and dangerous
> cocktail that can sustain itself for centuries
>
> Sinclair- Hide quoted text -
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Does history give us any examples of religeous fanaticism coming to an
end in any territory because the invaded people were nice?
Charlie
Today does in France, Britain, Germany, the Netherlands and the United
States.
Sinclair
Charlie
Have they declared victory?
Charlie
Charlie
And do you honestly think that any lack of aggressiveness in those
countries by terrorists is more from being nice than from aggressive
resistance?
Charlie
Crusher
"Normandy" <aab...@wanadoo.fr> wrote in message
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> I am against all forms of fanaticism religious and non-religious. The
> emotional appeal of non-religious fanaticism like Nazism, Fascism or
> Communism is not as pervasive as that of fanaticism based on religion.
> When fanaticism and religion are mixed, we have a very potent and
> dangerous cocktail that can sustain itself for centuries
>
> Sinclair
True, but there is an interesting difference between purely political
fanaticism and religious fanaticism. Political fanaticism like communism
reaches across all other boundaries, like nations, cultures, geography and
alliances, and can (and has) thus appeal to a broad segment of the
population worldwide. Religious fanaticism is limited to a small fragment
of a specific religion and thus does not extend beyond it to the general
population. So constrained it's reach is limited, and so are its numbers.
--Bob--
Charlie
You are a very dumb son of a bitch. Ever hear of the World Trade
Center, London and Spanish Bombings, Bali bombing. Get your head out
of Google a while and you might actually learn something. Dumb Shit.
How can you and others keep telling us that the US is greatly
expanding the number of terrorists and then say "So constrained it's
reach is limited, and so are its numbers."
Charlie
Crusher
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of the relative worldwide impact of political and religious fanaticism. It
discusses the TOTAL numbers of potential converts worldwide, not just the
smaller number of fanatics you describe, which number at most a few hundred
people. The Rand Corporation is, of course, a major analyst of worldwide
political events. You, as we know, neither read nor research much of
anything- and it shows.
--Bob--
Charlie
> "Charlie" <cbauwi...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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What or how much I read you have not a clue. I do know that I *think*
you seam only to take your time between posts to resaerch what you
want us to think and then often your googling doesn't fit. Dumb Ass!
Charlie
Numac
says...
fighter".
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Numac
Numac
says...
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Numac
Charlie
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You got me there. I am far from perfect and by now you all know that.
I insult when I am insulted. Not proud of it, but will do it when I
feel that way.
Thanks for pointing tit out.
Charlie
Charlie
> In article <1172166372.177870.209...@p10g2000cwp.googlegroups.com>, cbauwi...@yahoo.com
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Part of what we are disagreeing about, huh.
Charlie
pijoe
I forgot about the Islamic threat countered by the Crusades. Thank God.
Or we can go back to 480 BC when the Spartans stopped Persia at
Thermoplyae, buying a subsequent Greek victory a year later. Without
that there would have not been a Classical Period, nor a Roman Empire.
pijoe
Islam is politics and religion melded into one big ball of shit.
pijoe
"Tit out" Been to Hooters, have we?
Crusher
There are two messages above from me that describe factual data from a
reliable source and two mindless insults from you that show very clearly
that you didn't even understand what was written before you started your
typical slander. I've been burying you in your ignorance for quite some
time and I can keep it up indefinitely. You're just one more fish in a very
long row of barrels. <chuckle>
--Bob--
Gordon H
>
>Nice Charlie, who was it that said something about insults?
Insulting is a dirty job, but someone has to do it.
--
Gordon H
(Remove invalid to email)
Charlie
> Numac <mac01...@mac.com> writes
Do we really?
Can't we get some more of that.... When the moonlight Ripples across
her Nipples, stuff instead .
Why not dig into that source of yours and give us a good laugh,
Gordon. <vbg>
Charlie
Joan F (MI)
Gordon H
>Gordon H wrote:
>| Insulting is a dirty job, but someone has to do it.
>
>And some people seem to be particularly adept at it.
>
I sometimes think it would be nice to be fluent in German when I want to
curse. Those guttural sounds are made for swearing!
Geno2341
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Geno2341
Read the "The Trial of theTemplars"
It's really juicy reading.
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Baba Mung
> >
>> I am against all forms of fanaticism religious and non-religious. The
>> emotional appeal of non-religious fanaticism like Nazism, Fascism or
>> Sinclair
What could move us to class communism as a fanaticism? And therefore all
people with communist beliefs or who support communist organisations as
fanatics? Mrs Thatcher was enthusiastic about her conservativism and her
faith in free-wheeling capitalism. Yet I would not have described her as
fanatical. Can communists not also be enthusiastic about their beliefs and
values without being classed as fanatical? Fanaticism has been
characterised as "an intolerance of opposing views". But our political
landscape has examples of communist parties participating in the democratic
process with as much or as little tolerance of opponents views as anybody
else. Taken together the French, Spanish, Australian, Canadian, Finnish,
and other modern communist parties draw support from many millions of
people. No doubt some of those people will be more enthusiatic than others .
But all fanatics? And the same is likely to be demonstrably true of the
leaders of such movements. Winston Churchill is reputed to have said that a
" a fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject"
It is not difficult to find examples of people seen as communist in their
beliefs who can also be seen to have been ready to compromise with others
and change course. Gorbachev comes to mind as a very recent example of such
an individual.
Baba
Kelly
Well said, Baba. I'm not a Communist myself, but I fully agree with you. You
don't have to go far to find political intolerance and fanaticism. All those
that cannot stand another viewpoint than their own, are a good example of
that if you ask me - we do havesome examples here...
I like the quote from Churchill-:)
Kelly
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Mr Gorbachev did forsake the evils of communism. Communist parties are
fanatical when they gain power. Look at the Chinese Communist Party and its
fanatic persecution against Falun Gong. The unholy and illogical and
contradictory Communist-Islamist Alliance is fanatical
. The evolving Black-Red alliance is growing in France, Germany and Belgium.
But, based on the successful British model, it is now going global to
declare war on the war on terror. they share mutual hatreds: America,
Israel, globalisation, capitalism and imperialism. The communist hatred of
the free world has become more rabid after communism was flushed down the
toilet of history by popular 'peoples revolutions all across the Communist
bloc. The masses want nothing more of Communism, the comrades are orphaned!
And so they are willing to clutch at anyone who is anti-West, anti-American.
Here the civilisation hating murderous Islamic fanatics are a natural
partner of the comrades! We see the true turn when the Muslin Council of
Britain has been determined by internal Security agencies to be subversive.
Demand have been made and will be met that any government funding be
withdrawn.
We are to tolerant Dr Muhammad Abdul Bari mouths then mocks British values
as clearly show in his participation of organising the march against the
Danish cartoons. Groups like the BNP and Muslim Council of Britain should
have no state funding at all.
Nadeem Shah has written "It should by now be plainly obvious that
organisations like the Muslim Council of Britain are not truly
representative of wider mainstream British Muslim opinion and that their
advisors have been drawn from a small, intimate pool, of activists and
pro-shariaist enthusiasts. The fact is that for many ordinary British
Muslims, many of who are already well integrated as British Citizens, the
rhetoric of separatism and the self-promoting espousal of 'common Muslim
values' bears a distinctly hollow sound to many of our ears. Despite
protestations to the contrary, groups like the MCB, play on an implicit
policy of public deception which ordinary British Muslims find appalling and
irritating in the extreme"
Sinclair
>
>
Gordon H
opposition. ;-)
Baba Mung
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I first mistakenly remembered the quote as Bernard Shaw's, Kelly. I thought
it came from an anti-war piece Shaw wrote just before the outbreak of war
in 1914 ; but, when I checked, I found it was Churchill's. They both left
us with some memorable quotations.
Baba
Kelly
>
> I first mistakenly remembered the quote as Bernard Shaw's, Kelly. I
> thought it came from an anti-war piece Shaw wrote just before the
> outbreak of war in 1914 ; but, when I checked, I found it was
> Churchill's. They both left us with some memorable quotations.
>
> Baba
LOL
Not to worry, I didn't know it either.
But it's true that they both had a lot of good quotations.
Kelly