our hypocritical state department... cartoons
JD Cooper
US backs Muslims in cartoon dispute
Fri Feb 3, 2006 3:28 PM ET
By Saul Hudson
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The United States backed Muslims on Friday
against European newspapers that printed caricatures of the Prophet
Mohammad in a move that could help America's battered image in the
Islamic world.
Inserting itself into a dispute that has become a lightning rod for
anti-European sentiment across the Muslim world, the United States sided
with Muslims outraged that the publications put press freedom over
respect for religion.
[....]
"Anti-Muslim images are as unacceptable as anti-Semitic images, as
anti-Christian images or any other religious belief," State Department
spokesman Sean McCormack told reporters.
[....]
Val Adams
time for another descent in to vernacular, hoping Eddie is not reading:
THOSE FUCKING SPINELESS IDIOTS!
JD Cooper
I'm gonna burn cars and riot and shoot guns in tha air and !!!!!!!!!!!
grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!
JD
JD Cooper
I'm fucking mad!
JD
Jan
Splutter. I'm sorry JD, but I just had to laugh when I read this. The images and
implications that sprang to mind were mind-boggling. This administration has
lost the plot completely, and in trying to appease a bunch of people whose
belief systems are still in the 12th century they are upsetting another bunch
who have backed them in Afghanistan, though most drew the line at Iraq.
Just what is an anti-muslim image anyway? What is an anti-christian image? and
what is an anti-semetic image?
Now Europe will be more pissed-off at the US than they were before, and it makes
a mockery of the claim for free speech and expression as touted by the US.
I can understand your feelings, they must be ones of betrayal.
Jan
"If you can't take a joke,you shouldn't have joined"
Kelly
Kelly
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Kelly
Montesquiou
"JD Cooper" <what...@mygoodnes.net> a écrit dans le message de news:
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> (GUTLESS hypocritical damned bushies!)
>
Welcome to the team....
Normandy
<Montesquiou> wrote in message
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Sean McCormack is the Assistant Secretary for Public Affairs and Department
Spokesman The remarks were made at NSC Briefing for Foreign Media at
Foreign Press Center.
Without the entire transcript it is impossible to know the context in which
the remarks were made. As a general statement of principal what is wrong
with what he is reported to have said?
The same article also states "The U.S. criticism of the newspapers also
comes after the Pentagon complained over a Washington Post cartoon.
The Joint Chiefs of Staff sent an unusual letter to the editor published on
Thursday, denouncing as "reprehensible" and "beyond tasteless" a cartoon
earlier in the week portraying Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld as
insensitive to U.S. troop casualties.
The cartoon portrayed a soldier who had lost his arms and legs with Rumsfeld
at his hospital bedside saying, "I'm listing your condition as 'battle
hardened.'"
Newspaper reports are notoriously inaccurate, in Britain they cannot be
admitted in evidence in any court proceedings.
Sinclair
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Montesquiou
"Normandy" <aab...@wanadoo.fr> a écrit dans le message de news:
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How stupid we are.
We, as individuals, believe in compassion, justice, heroism, kindness,
etc...
A State : Never !
A State protect his own interrest.
USA ( and all the European countries) have a problem with his own image.
If such remark can help their commercial entreprise, well : the f***k with
Norway or Denmark;
JD Cooper
I am fully aware of newspaper (media at large) inaccuracies and you've
seen me rail about it right here. The problem is that now the damage has
been done and I'm mad as hell about it. I haven't sufficent words to
describe my loath for the bushies ATM... and I *never* use the word!
JD
Jean B.
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Jean B.
Crusher
">> The same article also states "The U.S. criticism of the newspapers also
>> comes after the Pentagon complained over a Washington Post cartoon.
>> The Joint Chiefs of Staff sent an unusual letter to the editor published
>> on Thursday, denouncing as "reprehensible" and "beyond tasteless" a
>> cartoon earlier in the week portraying Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld
>> as insensitive to U.S. troop casualties.
>>
>> The cartoon portrayed a soldier who had lost his arms and legs with
>> Rumsfeld at his hospital bedside saying, "I'm listing your condition as
>> 'battle hardened.'"
>>
>> Newspaper reports are notoriously inaccurate, in Britain they cannot be
>> admitted in evidence in any court proceedings.
>>
>> Sinclair
The attitude here in the US about the Rumsfeld cartoon is largely as you
described it above. What went unnoticed to most was the tag at the foot of
the bed that said "U.S. Army." The cartoonist meant to describe the
condition of the Army, using the figure as a symbol of it. To a careful
viewer that was not an insult to an injured soldier, but was instead an
accurate assessment of the U.S. Army's depleted condition due to the
excessive rotation of reserves and the wear and tear on equipment, which has
not been replaced- while $billions are still being spent on defense industry
goodies like the joint strike fighter.
--Bob--
Dink
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No amount of captioning could save the image from being tasteless.
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JD Cooper
Crusher wrote:
well, bob... my wife works down there at a big hospital where a bunch of
those guys are treated and they don't quite see it your way. I'll bet
you're surprised, huh?
JD
Crusher
"JD Cooper" <what...@outyonder.org> wrote in message
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>
> Crusher wrote:
>>> The attitude here in the US about the Rumsfeld cartoon is largely as you
>> described it above. What went unnoticed to most was the tag at the foot
>> of the bed that said "U.S. Army." The cartoonist meant to describe the
>> condition of the Army, using the figure as a symbol of it. To a careful
>> viewer that was not an insult to an injured soldier, but was instead an
>> accurate assessment of the U.S. Army's depleted condition due to the
>> excessive rotation of reserves and the wear and tear on equipment, which
>> has not been replaced- while $billions are still being spent on defense
>> industry goodies like the joint strike fighter.
>>
>> --Bob--
>
>
> well, bob... my wife works down there at a big hospital where a bunch of
> those guys are treated and they don't quite see it your way. I'll bet
> you're surprised, huh?
>
> JD
Not at all. Art History shows that artists have since the beginning often
used people, animals and articles as allegorical representations of some
political or social idea. For example Goya's famous etching, "The Sleep of
Reason" shows an artist with his head on the table sleeping. Above him are
bats and owls flying around. The bats are symbols of ignorance and the owls
are symbols of folly, and the etching is thus a criticism of the
Enlightenment and the principle that reason rules all. In his other equally
famous painting, "The Third of May, 1808," French soldiers are massacring
Spanish peasants. One of the peasants, in a white shirt, has his arms
outspread- a symbol of martyrdom from the Crucifixion.
None of these symbolic presentations are likely to be understood without
knowing that there is often more to an artist's work than immediately meets
the eye- and that a bandaged figure may be intended as a political symbol of
a crippled army, not a soldier.
--Bob--
Dink
news:1JCdnfE-Z4z...@adelphia.com:
What does Goya's portrait of the Duchess of Alba symbolize?
JD Cooper
jezus aitch krist, Bob! what a bunch of hot air! You certainly make some
assumptions, you do, you do, you do.
JD
Marian
Well, JD, you and your wife should look at the cartoon for yourselves.
Bob's absolutely right about this ~ as anyone who reads/listens to
anything other than Pentagon propaganda can plainly see...
Pity the "Boots on the Ground"
http://www.PictureTrail.com/gid8165971
Marian
JD Cooper
I *did* look at the cartoon, fool!
JD
Crusher
"Dink" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message
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>> None of these symbolic presentations are likely to be
>> understood without knowing that there is often more to an
>> artist's work than immediately meets the eye- and that a
>> bandaged figure may be intended as a political symbol of a
>> crippled army, not a soldier.
>>
>> --Bob--
>
> What does Goya's portrait of the Duchess of Alba symbolize?
>
> --
> Dink
Since Goya was both Romanticist painter given to political statements and a
portrait artist the four paintings of her might just have been commissioned
portraits since the Duchess was obviously a wealthy person. Goya did dozens
of portraits of people from King Charles to commoner folk so there may not
be any symbolism, at least none that I have encountered. Do you have some
point to make?
--Bob--
Dink
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Not all paintings have an ulterior motive. And one person's
interpretation might seem totally off the mark to someone else.
Art is very subjective.
JD Cooper
I think Bob thinks his opinion is supreme and nobody else's counts.
JD
Suze
> Dink wrote:
>> "Crusher" wrote:
>>>"Dink" wrote...
>>>>>None of these symbolic presentations are likely to be
>>>>>understood without knowing that there is often more to an
>>>>>artist's work than immediately meets the eye- and that a
>>>>>bandaged figure may be intended as a political symbol of a
>>>>>crippled army, not a soldier.
>>>>>--Bob--
>>>>What does Goya's portrait of the Duchess of Alba symbolize?
>>>>--
>>>>Dink
>>>Since Goya was both Romanticist painter given to political
>>>statements and a portrait artist the four paintings of her
>>>might just have been commissioned portraits since the Duchess
>>>was obviously a wealthy person. Goya did dozens of portraits
>>>of people from King Charles to commoner folk so there may not be any
>>>symbolism, at least none that I have encountered. Do
>>>you have some point to make?
>>>--Bob--
>> Not all paintings have an ulterior motive. And one person's
>> interpretation might seem totally off the mark to someone else.
>> Art is very subjective.
> I think Bob thinks his opinion is supreme and nobody else's counts.
> JD
I think Bob is a very good communicator who puts forth his opinions in an
assertive rather than aggressive way.
Suze
Yoj
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He isn't the one who calls anyone who disagrees with him a fool!
Joy