First he put an end to the Kennedy-Johnson concept of service to man
and America. What took its place was the Yuppie values of the Reagan
era, greed with everyone out to get as much as they could for
themselves to hell with everyone else. We don’t need to return to the
Reagan values, but to the Kennedy values Reagan displaced.
Remember the Reagan conventions, with the theme song, “I’m proud to be
an American”? How did Reagan demonstrate that pride? He bullied and
invaded a small country incapable of fighting back; Grenada and
interfered in the self determination of Nicaragua. Remember the arm
for Contras scandal that many believe kept the hostages in Iran much
longer than necessary? But when it came to someone who could stride
back, I thinking of Lebanon, it was another matter. He had no problem
stationing a battleship off coast and shelling the Palestinians in
Lebanon, but when they struck back by bombing the marine barracks, he
cut and ran with his tail between his legs. He taught the Palestinians
and Islamic radicals that he would talk big but could not take a punch
in the nose.
Both Bushes and Clinton showed far more admirable values in that they
stayed the course to finish what the started. Let’s not return to the
Reagan values of cowardly bullying and greed, we are doing much better
since he is gone from the scene.
Bob G
and why not, mr. America hater? ewer filthy kind just spent a week
comparing obamessiah to Reagan.
what problem do ewe have with honor and decency and virtue, mr.
hypocrite liberal catlick?
what do ewe want, mr. TRAITOR?
JD
rilly? how so? Reagan has been out of office since 1991. in case ewe
are calender illiterate, that was about three weeks ago. ok!ok!ok...
I'll help ewe out here. it was just three days ago.
that being said... how ewe figger "Reaganomics" caused what ewer
beloved liberals in congress brought upon us?
how ewe figger that honor, values, ethics, decency, honesty are bad
things? I mean... ewe carry a gun and admit to having a violent past
so I think we all "get it" where ewe are concerned.
in the mean time, it sure is amusing how that that little 100 pound
woman continues to scare the living shot out of ewe.
heh..
JD
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Really, if Bob had wanted that done he would have done it himself.
Some of us pick and choose what we say where. Toci
Bob G.,
Maybe she should talk about Jimmy Carter values. That would be novel
wouldn't it? We could even throw in his Brother while we're at it.
The Iran Hostages could even be included also. I bet they were glad
Reagan was elected because they got their "Get out of Jail" free card,
after more than a year in jail while Old Clumsy tried to free them and
made a mess out of that effort. We could even talk about the "Killer
Rabbit" while at it. Oh, there is so much you Reagan haters won't
touch that Reagan inherited from Old Jimmy. On second thought maybe
we shouldn't go there either as it makes me sick to my stomach to
think of that loser from Georgia.
Don
How about some San Francisco values?
http://TouringSFO.info/Articles/SFValues.html
They're just as irrelevant to the subject as Jimmy Carter's.
Touring,
Yeah, you got Nancy. Lucky you. Keep her out of trouble and take the
Botox away from her. It clashes with the wrinkles on her neck and
sunken eyes.
Don
> Some of us pick and choose what we say where.
Obviously Bob chose a public forum. His comments are not absent
credit.
Better the Rs run that handsome yankee man for prez,instead of Palin.
even though she does look good on TV.
>Sarah Palin says we need to get back to the Reagan values.
Every time Sarah Palin speaks, liberals like you soil themselves.
--
Dink {Vox clamantis in deserto}
Para español, empuje dos
Every time Sarah Palin speaks ... she soils herself.
Ylem
Reagan values = corporate rule at home, corporate imperialism abroad.
Ylem
how sophomoric of a "come back". hardly so, what ewe say. why... she
FILLS EVERY STADIUM and EVERY EVENT she goes to. that'd hardly be so
if she soiled herself.
in the mean time it remains just all too much fun how she scares the
living fuck out of ewe and ewer type.
JD
That only proves just how many misguided fools there are following her.
No fear of Sarah Palin, just of the damage she can do if given the chance
B.
}Every time Sarah Plain speaks ... she soils herself.
No she soils the nest hers and anyone close. Given the media that is quite
encompassing.
only proves that she scares the living shit out of ewe, too!
JD
would ewe care to show examples of that?
... I thought not.
JD
Didn't you amass your wealth under "Reagonomics"?
Jan
"If you can't take a joke, you shouldn't have joined"
> Lucky you.
Yes! But we're disappointed her support is so weak:
Per http://sfelections.org/results/20101102/
US Representative, District 8 - 2 November 2010
NANCY PELOSI: 167,957, 79.94% (80.1% of district)
JOHN DENNIS: 31,711, 15.09% (15.2% of district)
U.S. Senator, San Francisco voters:
BARBARA BOXER: 213,252, 79.9%
CARLY FIORINA: 43,108, 16.15%
Per: http://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/sov/2010-general/complete-sov.pdf
California voters:
Boxer: 5,218,137, 52.2%
Fiorina: 4,217,386, 42.2%
No; we just barf.
Joy
While I an not a Liberal, I must admit that, although she and her
brainless delivery is irritating, I have a grudging admiration for her. She
is uninspiring in everyway, and yet the Media slurps up and regurgitates
everything she says. She has turned her inability to lead into a
multi-million dollar enterprise where even the most asinine "tweet" from her
gets wide exposure.
Sammy
What's the saying "Same circus, same clowns" and your State doesn't
see the trouble it's in. I guess you love incompetent people who pay
their bills with chits. I guess Old Babs worked hard for her title of
Senator, not like the General who knew how to address her but she
didn't work hard enough to understand what he was saying:-)
Don
notice nothing bu silence from phlegm.
JD
I would like her to answer the two questions I asked in the UseNet
Groups rec.arts.dance, rec.travel.usa-canada, ca.politics,
alt.politics.democrat, alt.politics.usa.republican, alt.california,
alt.politics.bush, soc.culture.usa, and alt.abortion on October 25,
2008. Here they are:
http://iclast.net/Articles/AbortWed.html
__________
In the movie “Black Swan”, the ballet master asks a male dancer “Would
you fuck her?” My answer regarding Sarah Palin is “no”. I look at her
and see a woman of pleasant appearance; I listen to her and am
repulsed.
--
Jean B.
Strange Jean that you would like the group to be the way it was. Will
that be accomplished by comments that you just made? There are many
of us here that think she did a marvelous job getting rid of the
crooked government in Alaska. She even kicked some of her own party
out of office. She has more experience than a community organizer.
Dalin
You wish to contend that a small town mayor and failed bug out
governor has more experience than the man who was a United States
Senator for two years and President for now more than two? I suppose I
should expect that from someone who judges the value of our First Lady
by the size of her hips. You think she did a marvelous job? She
couldn't bring herself to finish that job, why should she be trusted
to finish any other?
Bob G
Bob G
***
Exactly. The fact that she quit in the middle of a term would be enough
reason for me to vote against her, if I didn't know anything else about her.
Joy
>On Feb 7, 2:30�pm, **Dalin** <l...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>> On Mon, 07 Feb 2011 16:21:06 -0500, "Jean B." <jb...@rcn.com> wrote:
>> >Joy wrote:
>> >> "Dink" <Unbekannter.Benutzer@ung�ltige.domain> wrote in message
He was a junior senator and what did he vote on besides to say
"present"? She didn't finish because she had to spend all her time
defending lawsuits against her brought by the opposition party - and
she won them all by the way.
Dalin
The point is, by running for Governor, she made a commitment to do a job.
She bailed on that commitment. There is no guarantee she wouldn't do the
same thing if she were elected President.
Joy
>"**Dalin**" <lj...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
>news:4d543b95...@news.individual.net...
>> On Mon, 7 Feb 2011 18:29:59 -0800 (PST), "Bob G."
>> <rlloyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Feb 7, 2:30 pm, **Dalin** <l...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 07 Feb 2011 16:21:06 -0500, "Jean B." <jb...@rcn.com> wrote:
>>>> >Joy wrote:
>>>> >> "Dink" <Unbekannter.Benutzer@ung�ltige.domain> wrote in message
How could she do her job when she was spending all her time fighting
lawsuits? It was just one after another, so I think she acted in the
interests of Alaska.
Dalin
Oh, yes. Alaska is definitely better off since she resigned.
Joy
>"**Dalin**" <lj...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
>news:4d589ae2...@news.individual.net...
>> On Tue, 8 Feb 2011 10:34:03 -0800, "Joy" <toa...@real-me.net> wrote:
>>
>>>"**Dalin**" <lj...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
>>>news:4d543b95...@news.individual.net...
>>>> On Mon, 7 Feb 2011 18:29:59 -0800 (PST), "Bob G."
>>>> <rlloyd...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Feb 7, 2:30 pm, **Dalin** <l...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On Mon, 07 Feb 2011 16:21:06 -0500, "Jean B." <jb...@rcn.com> wrote:
>>>>>> >Joy wrote:
>>>>>> >> "Dink" <Unbekannter.Benutzer@ungültige.domain> wrote in message
What about all the corruption she cleaned out? Doesn't that count for
anything?
Dalin
Bob G
You need to Google, Bob. She even dumped members of her own party.
I'm getting ready to log off, we're having a major storm here.
Dalin
Hope you survive your storm ok. I did google. I found just as many
claims that she is as corrupt as Spiro Agnew as that she rooted out
corruption. Each comes from the far side of each wing, far left or far
right. I found no credible source claiming she was corrupt (most of
the charges are from when she was mayor) or that she ever rooted out
any actual corruption. What I did find, and from right wing sources,
is that she had a terrible relationship with the Alaska Legislature.
Not surprising since about the first thing she told them was they
needed adult supervision. Seems like her problem with sticking her
foot down her throat existed well before john McCain's desperate
gamble. So your question, does her rooting out corruption count for
anything receives the answer that lacking credible evidence that she
actually did is no.
Bob G
> Exactly. The fact that she quit in the middle of a term would be enough
> reason for me to vote against her, if I didn't know anything else about her.
>
> Joy
>
>
That, too, crossed my mind.
--
Jean B.
And even though she's long gone she's still delaying complying with Alaska's
Open
Records laws.
Bob G
***
She did do one thing that most Alaskans applauded. The former governor had
purchased a rather large private jet plane, using state money. She sold the
plane shortly after she took office and put the money back into the
treasury. OTOH, I believe she had something to do with the Bridge to
Nowhere.
Joy
And I would feel just as strongly about that if she were a Democrat.
Joy
--
Jean B.
--
Jean B.
>Really, if being a governor is too hard for her how could she ever deal with
>being president. She says she had to defend herself from attacks all the
>time, well look at what a president has to deal with, attacks from the
>media, from the opposing party, from Congress, from other countries, you can
>never satisfy everyone no matter what you do. Clinton kept on keeping on
>even through his impeachment.
It wasn't those kinds of attacks, it was frivolous lawsuits brought by
the opposition. She won them all.
Dalin
>And her lawyers did all the work of fighting them.
I believe she had to give the depositions and pay to defend herself
too. I think there were 22 of them.
Dalin
>You think, that's a big thing right there. Being positive is different.
>Either way her lawyers did everything
That's what Google said so that's why I think. But I didn't
*personally* count them. It was in more than one cite. You could try
looking yourself you know, before you try to refute what I say. And
the lawyers can't give depositions.
The truth of the matter is, and it was in all the papers at the time,
every time she got sued she spent most of her time defending herself
and raising money for her defense fund. She had little time to govern
which is exactly what the Dems wanted. I think you don't want to know
the truth because you don't like her.
Dalin
To be honest, I haven't heard anything about that. Unless they were
personal records, would she have anything to do with that or would the
Alaskan government and the new governor?
Dalin
>
--
Dink {Vox clamantis in deserto}
You get no bread with one meat ball.
The person being sued spends very little time on a lawsuit. Almost all the
work is done by the lawyer.
Joy
I think you don't want to know the truth because you don't like Democrats.
I suspect I know a little more about what goes on in Alaska than you do.
Joy
Well then tell me, how many lawsuits were filed against her? I guess
you don't trust Google and if they got it wrong you can correct them
you know. But I expect they would want proof.
Dalin
That isn't necessarily true. I expect there are many conferences
between lawyer and client and I still have never heard of a lawyer
giving a deposition.
Dalin
>
I don't care how many lawsuits were filed against her. I do know that a
lawyer does most of the work in handling a lawsuit. I also know what some
real Alaskans think of her. How many Alaskans do you know?
Joy
Depositions don't take the place of a full-time job. You are going to
believe she is perfect because you want to. I know she is a quitter. Thank
goodness most Republicans are too smart to consider nominating her for
another important position.
Joy
Actually I know two, but have never asked them about her. They voted
for her didn't they? So the majority of Alaskans must have been for
her.
Dalin
22 depositions? Get real Joy! And I don't think she is perfect. But
I hate to see an innocent person burned at the stake because she loves
this country and has been the victim of a smear campaign. She's been
put down because of her voice, because she took her Down's Syndrome
child on the campaign with her, because she was able to balance being
a wife, mother and governor and probably because she had the wrong
shoe size! And I probably wouldn't vote for her for president
either. We already picked a man with less experience than she has, to
our detriment and disaster.
Dalin
I agree with you about Palin as she had no time to really govern and
defend herself, but Clinton was his own worst enemy. Politics did not
make him have an adulterous affair while he was in the White House.
Dalin
"They voted for her didn't they?" What kind of question is that? Did you
vote for Obama?
Actually, like many people, the Alaskans I know believed what she said and
did vote for her. They were for her for about two months after she took
office. Things went downhill from there. They wouldn't vote for her for
dogcatcher now.
Joy
She may be innocent, but she isn't very smart. I don't see that she did a
particularly job of balancing being a wife, mother and governor. I couldn't
care less what size shoes she wears, and the child was probably better with
her than being left at home. I don't pay attention to smear campaigns. My
opinion of her is based on things I have heard her say, and the opinions of
people who know more about her than I do.
Joy
"Joy" <toa...@real-me.net> wrote in >
Now that is a caveat for anyone who might want to lead and go into
governing. as a precedent has been set. Why would anyone want such a
job? .
So what happened after two months?
Dalin
Is it possible that there were so many issues that she was having to take
time to do a lot of legwork herself?
NormaK
>
>
I don't think she is ready to run for anything big. She seems to be
effective in other ways, but the negative media isn't making her look good
right now.
NormaK
>
when the "affair" uissue was playing out in the media, I was getting ready
to return from my 2+ years in Saudi Aabia . Those in power in other
countries thought that what went on with Monica should be the expected for
any person on politics. The USA is very different from anywhere else in the
world.
The Saudis, et al pointed to Mitterand's (?) mistress attending his funeral
with his wife and daughter. It is the norm out and about in the world.
Most citizens in the world pay no attention to the media at all, so it shows
that we are more interested/inrusive than many places.
NormaK
Exactly. And she should realize this will happen.
--
Jean B.
--
Jean B.
She started pushing her own boondoggles.
Joy
What does that mean?
Dalin
Have you ever heard of The Bridge to Nowhere?
Joy
Questions unanswered by McCain/Palin:
http://iclast.net/Articles/AbortWed.html